Appreciate the positive words, but these can definitely be polished and a little bit better. Considering I just do these for fun cause I like playing around with editing software though, thanks!
@@mfdoom4358 As long as the underbody isn't rusted to hell and the engine is running strong, yes. These are never gonna be 6 figure collector cars, but they're super reliable and on top of that, values seem to be either holding steady or going up ever so slightly. Even if you don't want it after awhile, take care of it and you won't be losing tons of money on it.
Great video! I just purchased a SiR to enjoy work commutes driving into Winnipeg. The benefits of a small engine and hi revs makes you feel like you’re going fast without breaking the law😂
THIS was the video i was looking for, wanted to buy one of these and wanted to see how it drives first, you made a better video then some professionals. Nice job man and thank you for making this
with all due respect, i can't stand how you underestimate this car lol. this absolutely is a sports car, with a sports oriented engine in it, that has huge tuning potential. this motor, double wishbone rear suspension, front and rear swaybars, and rear disc brakes make it destined to be driven hard on some windy backroads and canyon roads. that's FAR from a cruiser if you ask me lol. all it really needs is a set of good tires and some decent coilovers, as stock suspension is definitely on it's way out after 24/25 years. i really don't get why so many people care about horsepower and displacement. it produces 100hp per liter from an N/A goddamnit, and for it's weight it's more than enough to be quick. not hating or anything obviously, just my opinion
@@dusterpl6093 You're free to disagree. I clearly still love it given that I've owned it for a very long time, but I'm looking at it through the lens of where we're at now, and how it is in mostly stock form. Most people next to you on the road aren't driving cars this old anymore. Compared to all the modern GTIs, Focus ST/RS's, Honda's own Si and Type-R, etc, this car just can't keep up with the modern players without extensive modifications. You're not racing anyone in this. Yes it is fun, but yourself named a bunch of modifications required to make it better. Even just the chassis stiffness being well behind where we are today with the even more pronounced front bias is enough to feel that it's dated and not as capable. On top of all the engineering advancements, at the end of the day, this is a hopped up commuter car that still has to make concessions to practicality, not a from-the-ground-up sports car. There was some impressive engineering Honda decided to put in it in doing that, but it cannot ever get away from it's underpinnings fully. A car being fun does not = it being a sports car. It's a fun Civic. (Also if you think I'm some horsepower junkie you must have missed that my other car is a Miata lol) Lastly, no one drives an air cooled 911 because it can outperform the newer ones, you have it because it has more character, is more raw, and more visceral of an experience. I would say the same about this car compared to it's newer rivals. Edit: I think this also comes down to variety. If this was your only car you could have a really good time in it, but most people aren't dailying things of this age. If you own something more serious at the same time as this, this will never feel like a sports car
@@kevinandrew_ Yea, that's fair tbh. Thanks for such a detailed response. That horsepower bit was mostly an offtop, it just reminded me of those kind of people saying "everything below XYZ hp is slow". I should've been more specific about that.
@@Lafue108 when was I "wondering" anything? The 6th gen civic chassis isn't gonna get the back end to come around unless you put a thicker rear sway bar to compensate. My car doesn't have that. It's a nose heavy, FWD platform. I even state possibly wanting to make suspension upgrades in the future because of this, but in reality, when I also own another vehicle that is already more balanced out of the box, it's hard to justify. I'm fine with it as is.
@@kevinandrew_ I'll just note that I never found it to understeer just driving around town unless I was on junk tires. I'm just pointing out that you're complaining about understeer, while on allseasons on a cold day.
@@Lafue108 I haven't watched this video in awhile, but I think what I was trying to say was that you can feel that it *would* understeer if you pushed it really hard. At no point in the video though am I ever driving it hard enough for the tires to be complaining and for that to actually happen, but I do say that you can feel the front weight bias, which is certainly true. People defend this car too much imo and I say that as a happy owner. This isn't a hardcore track toy, nor is it anywhere near as balanced as a true sports car, but people act like I should see it as such and ignore that other vehicles exist. I refuse to judge it that way though, especially given how much money some of these go for now. The EM1 never got the attention to detail that the Type R's got. It's a civic with some impressive engineering, but still a civic on 20+ year old chassis. I love it for its nostalgia and 90's Honda charm, but this car, in the 2020s and beyond, is best as a fun commuter imo, which is why I willingly put all seasons on it (just got a new set) and save the sticky Michelin's for my MX-5.
@@kevinandrew_ Fair enough, Honda definitely leaned towards understeer on this platform out of the box... i suspect as it is generally safer for everyday driving. Although, it never seemed pervasive on decent tires. Not sure anyone ever thought my EM1 was track worthy without modifications though. I mean, K series was an improvement over the B's and that was clear in the 2000's. I still have mine for the OG factor.
@@Lafue108 Agreed and there's been a couple other people who have commented that I'm too harsh on this car, but I think the disconnect is pretty simple. They're coming at it from the perspective of how good it was in it's time period. I'm coming at it from a 2020s perspective of how it compares to other enthusiast cars in this price range, many of which are far newer. Just the simple engineering advancements in material+chassis stiffness has made newer cars have more handling potential and better body control and that's without even talking about HP, TQ, and modifying, or making comparisons to more focused sports cars. I think what I'm trying to communicate to the viewer is that I love this car for its old school character, the nostalgia, reliability/simplicity, and that special Honda magic the brand had going on in the 80s/90s. If you buy the car for those reasons, I have no objections. I just wouldn't want someone seeing the price tag and popularity of this platform thinking they're getting something with game-changing performance.
Are you referring to the 7th gen civics? (2002-2005) Because if so yeah the si in Canada were the same as the USDM civic ex. The SiR is the ep3 which was known as the si in the US.
@@holup7025 Honda Canada went with this naming structure for both the 6th and 7th gen and then went back to making it equivalent for gen 8. I still to this day don't get why Honda decided to do it, just causes confusion.
this is the best review on this car, better than professional reviewers too.
theres one going for around $7000 and its in pretty good condition do you think its worth it?
Appreciate the positive words, but these can definitely be polished and a little bit better. Considering I just do these for fun cause I like playing around with editing software though, thanks!
@@mfdoom4358 As long as the underbody isn't rusted to hell and the engine is running strong, yes. These are never gonna be 6 figure collector cars, but they're super reliable and on top of that, values seem to be either holding steady or going up ever so slightly. Even if you don't want it after awhile, take care of it and you won't be losing tons of money on it.
@@kevinandrew_ yea the audio lagged a bit but as a review of the car, you are the only one that explained it in full details
Great video! I just purchased a SiR to enjoy work commutes driving into Winnipeg. The benefits of a small engine and hi revs makes you feel like you’re going fast without breaking the law😂
Yup, making a whole lotta noise to go nowhere 😂. Beating on a car and still being around the speed limit is fun in it's own way though!
THIS was the video i was looking for, wanted to buy one of these and wanted to see how it drives first, you made a better video then some professionals. Nice job man and thank you for making this
Nice.. everybody loves the em1 si’s 100hp per liter motor… 1.6 160hp..
This is still my favorite model Civic, to this day. I would love one of these as a daily.
with all due respect, i can't stand how you underestimate this car lol. this absolutely is a sports car, with a sports oriented engine in it, that has huge tuning potential. this motor, double wishbone rear suspension, front and rear swaybars, and rear disc brakes make it destined to be driven hard on some windy backroads and canyon roads. that's FAR from a cruiser if you ask me lol. all it really needs is a set of good tires and some decent coilovers, as stock suspension is definitely on it's way out after 24/25 years.
i really don't get why so many people care about horsepower and displacement. it produces 100hp per liter from an N/A goddamnit, and for it's weight it's more than enough to be quick.
not hating or anything obviously, just my opinion
@@dusterpl6093 You're free to disagree. I clearly still love it given that I've owned it for a very long time, but I'm looking at it through the lens of where we're at now, and how it is in mostly stock form. Most people next to you on the road aren't driving cars this old anymore. Compared to all the modern GTIs, Focus ST/RS's, Honda's own Si and Type-R, etc, this car just can't keep up with the modern players without extensive modifications. You're not racing anyone in this. Yes it is fun, but yourself named a bunch of modifications required to make it better. Even just the chassis stiffness being well behind where we are today with the even more pronounced front bias is enough to feel that it's dated and not as capable. On top of all the engineering advancements, at the end of the day, this is a hopped up commuter car that still has to make concessions to practicality, not a from-the-ground-up sports car. There was some impressive engineering Honda decided to put in it in doing that, but it cannot ever get away from it's underpinnings fully. A car being fun does not = it being a sports car. It's a fun Civic. (Also if you think I'm some horsepower junkie you must have missed that my other car is a Miata lol)
Lastly, no one drives an air cooled 911 because it can outperform the newer ones, you have it because it has more character, is more raw, and more visceral of an experience. I would say the same about this car compared to it's newer rivals.
Edit: I think this also comes down to variety. If this was your only car you could have a really good time in it, but most people aren't dailying things of this age. If you own something more serious at the same time as this, this will never feel like a sports car
@@kevinandrew_ Yea, that's fair tbh. Thanks for such a detailed response. That horsepower bit was mostly an offtop, it just reminded me of those kind of people saying "everything below XYZ hp is slow". I should've been more specific about that.
Great video 👍🏽 nice seeing another VSM SiR. I also own a 2000 SiR in VSM. Stock with 130 km’s. I’m in Toronto. Where are you?
Nice! I'm in Winnipeg
That start up noise...
Hello SiR
I got a 04 ep3 .. ODHG / Ol’ Dirty Honda Gang .. type shi .. u kno
Hey I’m in Winnipeg looking for a sir, are you by any chance looking to sell the vehicle?
are you okay bro?
😢
How is the clutch feel - for a round town daily drive I am looking for a light clutch feel -
It's fairly light. Catch point is near the top of the pedal travel which isn't my preference, but other than that, definitely daily driveable.
im looking at a 2000 civic si for 7k that has 150000, is that worth? everything has checked out
USDM? yes. If it's a Canadian si, hope you like sohc noises
You're running on allseasons, probably with a poorly setup suspension and wonder why its understeering?
@@Lafue108 when was I "wondering" anything? The 6th gen civic chassis isn't gonna get the back end to come around unless you put a thicker rear sway bar to compensate. My car doesn't have that. It's a nose heavy, FWD platform. I even state possibly wanting to make suspension upgrades in the future because of this, but in reality, when I also own another vehicle that is already more balanced out of the box, it's hard to justify. I'm fine with it as is.
@@kevinandrew_ I'll just note that I never found it to understeer just driving around town unless I was on junk tires. I'm just pointing out that you're complaining about understeer, while on allseasons on a cold day.
@@Lafue108 I haven't watched this video in awhile, but I think what I was trying to say was that you can feel that it *would* understeer if you pushed it really hard. At no point in the video though am I ever driving it hard enough for the tires to be complaining and for that to actually happen, but I do say that you can feel the front weight bias, which is certainly true. People defend this car too much imo and I say that as a happy owner. This isn't a hardcore track toy, nor is it anywhere near as balanced as a true sports car, but people act like I should see it as such and ignore that other vehicles exist. I refuse to judge it that way though, especially given how much money some of these go for now. The EM1 never got the attention to detail that the Type R's got. It's a civic with some impressive engineering, but still a civic on 20+ year old chassis. I love it for its nostalgia and 90's Honda charm, but this car, in the 2020s and beyond, is best as a fun commuter imo, which is why I willingly put all seasons on it (just got a new set) and save the sticky Michelin's for my MX-5.
@@kevinandrew_ Fair enough, Honda definitely leaned towards understeer on this platform out of the box... i suspect as it is generally safer for everyday driving. Although, it never seemed pervasive on decent tires. Not sure anyone ever thought my EM1 was track worthy without modifications though. I mean, K series was an improvement over the B's and that was clear in the 2000's. I still have mine for the OG factor.
@@Lafue108 Agreed and there's been a couple other people who have commented that I'm too harsh on this car, but I think the disconnect is pretty simple. They're coming at it from the perspective of how good it was in it's time period. I'm coming at it from a 2020s perspective of how it compares to other enthusiast cars in this price range, many of which are far newer. Just the simple engineering advancements in material+chassis stiffness has made newer cars have more handling potential and better body control and that's without even talking about HP, TQ, and modifying, or making comparisons to more focused sports cars.
I think what I'm trying to communicate to the viewer is that I love this car for its old school character, the nostalgia, reliability/simplicity, and that special Honda magic the brand had going on in the 80s/90s. If you buy the car for those reasons, I have no objections. I just wouldn't want someone seeing the price tag and popularity of this platform thinking they're getting something with game-changing performance.
I prefer my acura tl
Wait arent the civic sis in canada really the ex in the usa? I read somewere they got the d16y8 in the canadian version.
Canadian Si = US EX
Canadian SiR = US Si
Are you referring to the 7th gen civics? (2002-2005) Because if so yeah the si in Canada were the same as the USDM civic ex. The SiR is the ep3 which was known as the si in the US.
@@holup7025 Honda Canada went with this naming structure for both the 6th and 7th gen and then went back to making it equivalent for gen 8. I still to this day don't get why Honda decided to do it, just causes confusion.
whats your ig?