Hey guys! So at around 34:08 I originally played the "Martha" scene in full. But whoever owns Hans Zimmer's music decided that the faint score playing in that scene was grounds to block the video! So since the video has already been up UA-cam only offered me to remove that chunk of the video which left a weird editing glitch between cuts. Can't do anything about it! But at least this way the video is monetized and actually viewable worldwide. I'll probably be making a video on this issue because as some of you know this happened on the last Worst Superhero Movies video too. Anyway thanks for watching bye byeee
Comic book Batman once saved a young man from a robbery that left his parents dead. He got the boy to safety and soon enough, that boy began a life of crime. Batman caught him robbing an electronic store with a gang and after knocking everyone else out, he confronts the boy, who's pointing a gun at him. Batman then tells the boy that crime took his parents too, and he told him, "don't become the very thing that took our parents from us." The kid gave up on crime and reformed himself. Batfleck would scare that kid into keeping his mouth shut after he brutally tears the robber a new one
@@whoasked376 naw but this dude is commenting on like 7 other peoples comments and most of them are negative or in response to people who disagree with him, its annoying
He won't even need to use that technicality as a defense because it's a clear case of self-defense; Snyder'd would be acquitted even if he shot directly at the criminals.
@@whade62000In that movie, Ra's al Ghul was already on the train. Batman just made sure the train never reached the Wayne Tower to avoid poisoning the entire city. So, in a way, Ra's brought it upon himself.
Maybe Abomination or Atrocity would be a more apt comparison but yeah Doomsday is like an AoU-sorta event not dropped into the 2nd film of the whole damn universe.
I hate Snyder's directing so much. He did the opposite with Eisenberg and Cavill. It's like he said to Jesse: Just play Luthor like yourself, like you wanted to be. And then told Henry: You be nothing like you, let me show you.
I share the thought. I don't read the comics so Donner and Reeves's take as my standard, I remember watching 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E.' and in some split seconds of the movie, I thought I was seeing Reeves or Superman, instead of Cavill. I never saw either when Cavill's actually in the role.
Even " save my mom" would have worked, because Batman blames himself for not being able to save his parents, so he would have understood, But save martha is just corny 😂😂
@@elmichellangelo It takes Doomsday's role in the story, though, so it might as well be Doomsday because you can't do another Death of Superman story in this franchise.
The most memorable moment of watching this movie in the theater was an older gentleman falling asleep, snoring comically loud even during the action scenes. Truly inspirational.
And even a bad one. Even Goku tries to move the fights to barren deserts if he can, and the heroes managed to save the Namekians by wishing them to Earth before their planet blew. Even DBZ had more class than BvS.
Anybody remember that brief moment at the beginning of Dark Knight where a fake Batman fires a gun and Scarecrow immediately concludes "That's not him"? Zack Snyder should be tied down to a chair and made to watch that clip on repeat one hour everyday for the rest of his life.
Glad someone noticed that detail in the scene. So subtle yet it says so much about Batman’s character. Even the villains know he refuses to use guns. Snyder has nothing on Nolan
@@kaibrigance278 Batfleck never held guns in his hands to kill people. The only time where he used guns to kill was parademons in Zack Snyder's Justice League.
@@kasadam85 ah yes. Since he didn't hold the gun in his hands, it's completely fine to obliterate a whole car full of people with a machine gun. After all, the Batmobile was holding it.
@Kermit Peanut Frank Miller you mean the same person that wrote the terrible all star batman yeah what a fucking achievement, yeah no because the guy that had Robin eat rats and bruce abuse alfred in his all star run definitely knows much more about the character. "but hes a veteran writer" i could give a shit fans recognized immediately that batman is not portrayed like that, so im pretty sure fans have a better sense of character than both snyder and miller, fucking "casual" so naive 😂😒
It's why I always loved the DCAU versions of these characters. They always had Superman and Batman be so compassionate. They were still conflicted, flawed, made bad decisions, even tempted to do evil, but in the end it was their compassion that kept them as good guys. Like, DCAU Superman would have never been so selfish and cold as to let his father die just to protect his identity: he'd have thrown his secret identity to the wind in an instant to save ANY innocent, let alone his father.
I remember literally spitting my drink out in the theater, when young Clark asked his dad if he should have let those kids die, and his dad's response was "Maybe!?!?".
@@wrestlinganime4life288 yeah pa kent probably could've used more scenes. He isn't as good as the pa kent in smallville. Tho their characters are quite different. I kind of understand what their were going for with it. I think pa kent feels very flawed and human in man of steel like doesn't have all the answers. Which i thought was kind of interesting its also why like the unclr ben in tsam.
It’s understandable why he said “maybe” Pa Kent is conflicted. Let me ask you something. If your son has superpowers and you wanted to keep him safe from the government and he saved a bus of school kids exposing his identity. Would you be conflicted? Yes, Pa Kent doesn’t have the answers, he doesn’t know what to say, he doesn’t know how to respond, he’s not God, he’s human. He’s flawed. What he said was flawed but it makes sense for a father to want to protect his child over anyone else.
Genuinely, I don’t think this was a deconstruction. Zack likes The Dark Knight Returns Batman, and he doesn’t like Robin, so he just made TDKR Batman and removed Robin from the story.
LOL It's like looking at a set of puzzle pieces and then you decide to cut each puzzle piece in half with scissors just because you think it'll make you look smart.
"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" he just descried this entire shitty movie
@@whosaidthat84 For the length of DBZ fights, blame the source material. They had to make new episodes on a schedule, but they also had to stay faithful to the manga. Unfortunately for them, that meant they had to drag out fights for as long as possible because they had to wait to see what happened next in the manga. They could try and guess what would happen next, but that could easily backfire. Just look at Game of Thrones. The seasons based on the books were amazing. When they ran out of books and tried writing their own storyline, the quality plummeted.
**Zack Snyder directs a Spider-Man movie ** Uncle Ben: Responsibility isn’t all that important in this world Peter, just do whatever you want and hope people don’t hate you for it.
@Ladiesman1447 the choice he gave Clark was save people with your crazy abilities with basically no risk to yourself... or not. Its a pretty wierd set of options. Uncle Ben's with great power talk resonates with people because it pushes Peter and the audience to be better. Peter isn't just being spider man because Ben told him too, he's just a good person. Its a superhero movie, you kinda need that.
@Ladiesman1447 Thats the thing. We dont get a downside to Superman existing. Was Lex going to be less evil. Prolly Not. Were the people he saved on that oil rig going to die without him. Probably. We dont get the payoff. We see him rescuing people and the backlit jesus shots but those are the audience not people in the movie. We don't see news broadcasts of the Cult of Superman or world leaders denouncing him. Media coverage really kicks in because he's kinda complicit in destroying like 2 cities and gets framed for a bombing. Clark knows he didn't bomb that place and its not hard to understand why people might think he did so why the fuck is Clark upset at the new when people trash him. Also Pa Kent comes off real sociopath like with the thought process of "those kids should die to preserve Christianity or global politics".
@Caleb Irizarry Funny thing is that Bob Kane gave his seal of Approval to Batman 89. Even said it's what he had in mind (as he pissed on Bill Finger's grave).
Batman hasn’t held a firearm in any main DC continuity since the introduction of Robin. On top of that, the most comic accurate live action Batman has zero kills and instead works as a fully deputized lawman. Yes Michael Keaton did kill regularly, but Tim Burton also clearly misunderstood the IP, as evidenced by Bruce Wayne hanging upside down when he sleeps. This movie is loosely based on Dark Knight Returns and borrows scenes that rely heavily on Batman’s internal struggle, like the part where he kills the flamethrower guy with his buddy’s gun. In DKR that scene shows how far he had fallen, in BVS it means nothing because Batman has no stance on the subject in Snyder’s eyes
Good call on his origins but Earth 2 Golden Age Batman before the introduction of Robin was 2 years of comics in the early 1940’s. He’s had a lot of character development since being a ripoff of the Black Bat
@@SPLADE-95even Superman has slayed his enemies in the comics also no killing rule is a major part of Batman if you don't understand that then you don't batman at all watch movies like batman under the red hood batman not killing rule is the reason why red hood is there in the first place in batman beyond he literally stopped being the batman when he realised he was holding a gun in batman the animated series he literally stopped dick from slaying his parents killer that guy knows what will happen if he starts killing he will turn batman who laughs he won't be able to control himself he knows he is just as crazy as joker. Batman always said that killing is easy he follows the hard path idont get why people whine about Superman putting zod to sleep forever when he doesn't even have such rule when batman killing is something which actually is bothering it would have been way better It it wasn't there in the movie
@kafu Kemeh nah Batman v Superman was garbage and Zach Snyder is 100% just a frat bro who thinks comics aren’t cool unless they have boobies and say the fuck word
@@dasboom7133 I mean, I use to think the same and then MoS had this similar effect on me.... until I actually read some source material which completely destroyed my shitty preconceptions of the character 🤓
"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" best part of the video.
This movie was out while I worked at a movie theater. Cleaning up after a showing one time I found three empty little bottles of Jack Daniel’s under a chair and was like “ohhhh okay so I *really* shouldn’t see this one”
It's a real shame that Henry Cavill had to be stuck playing a darker version of Superman, because he really is visually perfect for the role and I think he could pull off Classic Supes perfectly. Part of why Superman and Batman work so well together is because they're opposites. You can't make Superman dark and brooding and expect to have a crossover be all that interesting.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom There are no first problem. Its just a dumbass that cant see a difference in characters in a movie. If I can, then why cant you/him? Am I some intellect mastermind that analyze movies? lol
You guys summed up Snyder fans who defend his work to core. They do make crazy shit up and call it art . Snyder is fine but I wish Matt Reeves took over DCEU way back
Batman didn't beat up that guy to death, he died because of his bones got crushed and he bled to death. Batman didn't even touch him, he had gloves on.
37:16 To me how Lois almost dies in the final battle of BVS is hands down one of the dumbest and most frustrating things I’ve seen in a movie. After Batman and Superman leave she gets the kryptonite spear and runs around looking for a place to get rid of it. Throws it in the water. Runs outside, sees Superman getting beat and immediately realizes “oh shit. That thing I just go rid of would probably come in handy right now.” And just as soon as she came out she runs back to go get the spear thus putting her in her predicament. It might not seem that bad to most but how it played out on screen drove me nuts.
@@pepeelghetto1231 9 times out of 10 Joker is the first person to die from Batman if he breaks. And most of the time its because Joker went too far on something. From what we are supposed to infer Joker killed Robin and thats why Batman kills now. That means Joker should ABSOLUTELY be dead. he should be first on the hit list.
@@bluefiremarkii No bc the first person Batman is going to straight up murder in the movie is Superman, and bc of a sense of duty against who he sees as a god able to wipe out humanity. After him, Bruce might as well just go and murder Joker, but as we see, Batman begins getting out of that state after Clark's sacrifice. The point of no return would've been if he killed superman in this continuity.
@@pepeelghetto1231 are you stupid? He literally murders and has been murdering criminals all movie long and supposedly before the movie too. Superman is NOT his first kill, but honestly it would've been better if it was and he was using things like alien to justify it. But no, superman is just "another" person to kill, just very dangerous and powerful. And you know even a 1% chance apparently isn't a big deal because the very next film he says he failed him and revives him, only for him to turn evil in the next movie we never got, proving him right. Woop de doo. Horrendous writing.
@@lorddonk9806 Then the point should not be a point, are you expecting us to believe that Batman goes around killing thugs and innocent people? He promised to not let any kid suffer the same fate as him, and he does around killing thugs who have kids... Snyder is a fucking moron.
@@hailpickens2454 ding ding ding. You get the movie! Although its hard to say hes killing innocent people. The movie shows they arent innocent. The whole point of the movie is that this IS NOT BATMAN. this is a broken middle aged vigilante who has completely abandoned his ideals. He has lost everyone, harvey dent, jason Todd, and went through ground zero of the metropolis battle. This is not batman anymore. The point of this movie is that batman has become the villain. And supermans sacrifice is the thing that leads him back to the man he once was.
@@lorddonk9806 He's still the one which leaves orphans everywhere. Im sure the Lexcorp guards were innocent. The movie is about two hypocrates, who do the same thing but wear the same costume
The thing I hate the most about the Snyder films is that they had amazing casting for Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman, but they were all wasted on his teenage-level of edge.
Are you kidding me? That guy was Jimmy Oslen? His death in Injustice helped spark the whole story, but in the movie he barely bats an eye? That genuinely infuriates me
Injustice and BvS incorporate two different stories in two different universes. They aren't even the same form of media. One is a game, the other is a movie. So what's with the comparison? Superman hasn't even met Jimmy here, so why should his death be something worth whining about?
@@yash1140 Jimmy, Metropolis and lois are what ties Superman to his humanity, no matter what the universe. If you get rid of one of the three without any consequences, you arent telling a Superman story anymore, you're, like the video suggests, writing an edgy fanfiction. If you take out Bruce Wayne's parents' murders, you don't have Batman, you have an alternate universe Hush or penguin because theres nothing holding him back from becoming a selfish spoiled cow like his parents were. So why should Jimmy's life be so expendable here?
@@thefbiman2116 firstly, what's edgy about BvS? Secondly, Jimmy, Lois, and Metropolis aren't what tie superman to his humanity. His parents, upbringing, and Kansas do, and Snyder nailed them perfectly. His relations with Jimmy and Lois are consequences of his humanity, instead of it being the other way around. Take Flashpoint for example, it had neither of Jimmy or Lois, and not even the Kents, but still managed to give superman a mini-arc, which suggests that whatever the circumstances might be, superman will always turn out to be a human at heart.
@@yash1140 because you don't take a beloved Superman supporting character and long-time fan favorite from the comics...and SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!
Also, if Batman DOES murder people in this universe, why the hell is Joker still alive? He'd be the first person Batman would kill, not some random thugs in cars...
@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh bro, if Batman started killing and "lost his way", the first place he'd go is Arkham or wherever Joker was holed up and rip his spine out. This Joker murdered Robin, obviously if these movies made any sense at all he'd be the first to go
@Ladiesman1447 I said show, not tell. Even then, it's so vague it doesn't actually explain things. Did this Batman just start killing or did already break his rule a long time ago? We never really know.
@@sertorrhenclegane plus Zod would have just went back to go fuck up Metropolis. He just wanted to kill humanity at that point. Only DragonBall villains are dumb enough to just follow the hero to a unpopulated area.
@@coopercross1678 This is true but Zod knew Superman's entire character revolved around humans. So he would attempt to kill them even if Superman tried to deter him away, giving Clark less leeway to actually push him out of the city as he would focus on protecting them. Honestly, I find the fault of that going towards the Crew as they should've made shots of Superman at least attempting to get Zod out of the city with no avail and even putting people out of harm's way.
zack snyders fanbase is proof that even if you totally disregard characters and themes of a work as long as you make it sufficiently cool people will gobble it up lmao
@@octaviusroosevelt7355sadly only most of them do, some doesn't and is 30 and still thinks lowering the brightness and adding a blue filter make a film deep
Snyder's probably the type of guy who's too impatient to watch films the whole way through so he just skips to the fighting and death scenes then fast forwards to the end.
Worst part is that, super man didn’t need to actually say his moms name to convey how he feels to batman, batman could already have empathy for super man because he doesn’t want his parent to die
@kafu Kemeh i know I know but what Im saying is that they could have conveyed that batman had empathy for superman purely by the fact that supermans mom is going to die. Even worse is that if supermans mom did die it would be batmans fault, making him no different from the person who pulled the trigger on his parents. This is all just my opinion but I think it would’ve been more meaningful if batman understood superman from the fact that his mother was about to die at his hands rather than his mother being named the same as his mothers name
Gone Manic But the thing is he didn’t, it was only after he found out superman had a mother that he realised superman was more human than him, he never realised that he could of had a family and life, that’s what shocked Batman, not their mothers sharing the same name (although that was a huge part of the realisation)
@@theanimationmaster724 right I agree. Batman probably didn’t really care about the fact that they had the same name. But Im just saying, they didn’t need to convey how batman felt to yhe audience by super man shouting Martha. It just feels awkward. Even though its kind of a funny coincidence
He didn't mean as in this is their first meeting. He thought maybe she was with him as in an alien. Super speed and strength with invulnerability? All those people came "with Clark". He thought she might be a Kryptonian.
@@Crimsontears83 but Bruce literally sent her an email where it’s her in her Wonder Woman costume, so why would he be confused when he sent an email with a picture of herself in WW1?
Jeremy Irons hasn't even aged like fine wine, he's on that soy sauce tier: a pretty average product until it sits around for years, then suddenly o h m y.
That whole thing about how not many people "Get" Superman... ...Is it disgraceful to admit that the MCU actually did a better version of a "Modern" Superman with Captain America? He's everything I imagine in a Superman-Style character now.
This Is so fucking true. I first got into superhéroes with the MCU and my favorite was always cap, because of how pure and wholesome he is, so when I met supeman in the animated series you know I fell in love with him in a heartbeat.
it's so annoying. When I heard about Kevin Feige's excitement towards the idea of Gunn making a Superman movie, in that moment I realized that he cared about the character way more than anyone up at WB ever will. :(
@@JohnDoe97637 fun fact the final shot on peace maker with having the JL cameo is shoot on marvel studios. James gunn ask if he can do it there and he is allowed
@@snakeboy2017 true, but when most people talk about dragon ball fights being long they refer to the fillerifc Z adaptation which is what I was on about.
The worst part is the “Save Martha” scene would’ve actually shown Superman to be human, as he uses his dying breath to tell Batman to save his mom. But then they had to make it the stupidest scene in the movie...
That's exactly what the movie did. It showed Superman's humanity, what the fuck are you talking about? That's why we're shown the death of the waynes at the beginning... People in the Internet literally eat whatever media tells them to think
@@DerezzedMan No I agree it shows Superman’s humanity but it’s overshadowed by how stupid it is that their moms just so happen to have the same name and thats what stops the fighting
Totally agree with the truck driver scene. The guy breaking his hand would've caused Clark to feel guilty and taught him to be more careful in similar situations.
Why would Clark feel guilty for something someone else did completely of their own accord? Why would this make him realize *he* should’ve been more careful? He wouldn’t have wrecked the bar or anything; that dude would’ve just broken his hand trying to hurt him.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 because Superman is like that He cares about everyone He cares about people He was a raised like a normal human Like you and me Superman is like spiderman, like spiderman feels bad for thing even if he didn't do so Superman is the same
Except in Superman 2, Clark goes back and beats the crap out of the Trucker bully. Again, people were fine with that movie doing it, but mad about MoS doing the same thing.
Yeah batman not killing anyone is such a core value he wasn't even willing to let the joker die in arkham city, even after he literally murdered the love of his life right in front of him.
Batfleck gets hate for killing, but it actually makes sense, and I like it. He's been a vigilante for 20 years, and snyders vision was, what if batman actually existed. There's no doubt in my mind that he would start killing after losing 2 robins, and constantly being responsible for deaths of people bc he won't kill the joker, in this universe, hes already broke that rule. Even the batman batfleck is based on has killed, with a gun. Hes based on the dark knight returns batman, who has killed joker l, but denies it, because he's mentally ill, so it batfleck, we see him have knightmares of his parents, he kills but acts like he doesn't. Its Different and I love it. Also nolans batman has indirectly kills Ra's, the league of assasins with an explosion, and pushed dent to his death. Batfleck's batman is also very feared, the public hates him, and even Bruce says to alfred "we are criminals, we've always been", very realistic.. Finally, batman going on and on without killing, isn't good batman, part of his core story is breaking his rule, its character growth. Hope this makes sense and changes your mind.
@@timothysondej516 Watch The Closer Look's video on why Synder's Batman is terrible. If you want me to explain to you why your defense of Synder's Batman is not good, then let me know.
@@yashjoseph3544 one thing that video talks about is how batman uses intellect to fight, physical fights he can't win. In bvs batman doesn't do that so much, bc he isn't in his glory days, alfred talks to him about that to, how he is far from his peak. Affleck's story is more about redemption. And we get a hint of that in the JL 2 and 3 story board. Where instead of batman fighting superman in the knigbtmare world, he has a plan to tell his past sense something and flash does so. So ig if the full story wrapped up, you'd like batfleck, because he goes from being a bad batman, back to the good batman. Zack didn't do him wrong, when I mean bat batman, I mean he isn't what the guy says is a good batman, but later he goes back to that. If that makes sense
@@yashjoseph3544 this batman was basically intentionally made this way for him to fight superman, and to set up his arc, in justice league batman seems way different then how he did in bvs
It is SO refreshing to hear a superhero fan who doesn’t believe that killing bad guys or collateral damage is all good and just part of the gig. Especially for characters who EXPLICITLY were made with strong personal convictions against murder.
What's even more frightening though is that there's a larger faction of DC fandom who thinks Zack Snyder's DCEU movies are on par with Citizen Kane and The Dark Knight.
Omg IKR I get so many people yelling at me because apparently Ben Affleck’s Batman is “SuPOsSeD tO bE a YeAR 20 BaTmAN wHo’S bEeN brOkEn bY sO MAnY gOinG bAd anD aLl tHE dEatH” to which I respond with “I FUCKING KNOW I JUST DON’T LIKE THAT THIS IS WHAT BATMAN DOES WITH HIS BROKENNESS”
"Batman is not an anti-hero" is something I never considered, but is resonating _extremely_ true, and I feel like my world has been flipped upside-down, lol
it depends tbh, there's so many versions of batman throughout what? 80 years now. This was a version from the dark knight so he was kinda of an anti hero in the version
@@Alfram here is the thing classic batman the most common batman is heroic as all hell like he is a bigger hero than the rest of the justice league combined someone like red hood is an anti-hero but batman is not the dark knight trilogy he is classic in my opinion no guns, no killing you know classic batman
@@nobody-ji8hl Totally right. Tons of people point out the exceptions that prove the rule for Batman. "He killed in his first appearance! He's a vicious asshole in The Dark Knight Returns!" Yeah. He did and was, and it's notable because he's usually neither of those things.
Yeah I agree, but people gotta realize this was a different version of Batman. A Batman who lost everything and everyone. Alfred even points out throughout the Ultimate Edition of this movie that he's changed. Zack just really sucks at explaining it on a more obvious level, which mislead a lot of people.
@@manat31790 If you take First Gundam as an isolated work, perhaps not, but if you consider his actions in Zeta and Char's Counterattack? Absolutely. He acts so above the soldiers and killers, but he's no better; he's still a pawn of the system. Londo Bell or not, he isn't going to accomplish anything more than more murder as just a soldier. He might have been the hero, but I think the whole point of Gundam is that no one really learns their lessons, and tragedy keeps occurring because of it. I don't think Amuro is a good role model for anyone.
I'm trying to be a film-maker once I graduate. All your videos really help me figure out what NOT to do in a movie. Other than the complete obvious stuff, but like the little details. I probably won't do any superhero stuff unless its original, but I would like to at least see how what other critics say could fuel an actually good movie
"Why did you say that name!" "She's my mother!" "Yeah...I figured. Why did you say that name? Most people don't call their parents by their first name unless they hate them." "...Good point"
not really , id argue it wouldnt make snese if he called her "mom" i mean there he is , superman on the floor , he only has one sentence left before he is killed , and wants to get batman on his side. *do you really think he should say "save my mother" ?* i can think of a few ways batman would react such as. "what ?how would i save your mom ? i cant go to outer space you idiot" "umm , you have a living kryptonian mother ? gotta kill her too then ig" and especially after that speech talking about how superman was probably spoiled by his parents , i have some doubt that he would care much if supes said it like that. no , what superman does here , is make her human , he calls her by her name , "Martha" , an attempt to at least get batman to save her , or maybe superman looked into bruce's past and knew about his mom's name. anyways ,i think this "criticism" is not logical , and a result of short-minded thinking
@@andersondalmeus1406 not even close. Superman kills 2 people in the combined movies. He kills zod to save the world and he kills the terrorist to save lois. He never once hunts down or stalks criminals like batman does. Batman goes out looking for a fight. Superman is going out saving people. Batman is not mad that superman is killing people, batman is mad for the devastation superman caused and fearful that he could kill the planet, full of innocent people. Superman does not fight batman because he doesnt like him hunting down criminals, superman doesnt go to batman with the intent of fighting him at all. Superman goes to ask for help and ends up in a fight for his life. If batman and superman are fighting, superman cant have an ideological stance in this fight. He would handily win.
@@andersondalmeus1406 superman is mad at batman because he has innocent people living in fear, not because batman is necessarily taking down criminals. Kills 2 people that we know of ? Thats a garbage argument. If we dont see a pivotal moment like that, then it doesnt happen. Superman kills 2 people. There is NOTHING to suggest he killed anyone else. I guess we are going to artificially inflate the death counts for every superhero now based on absolutely nothing. The zod killing is not even up for debate. Superman has to kill him to save the world. The terrorist he kills is because he is saving lois lane, his world. Superman and batman are nothing alike in the movie. Batman hunts down criminals and terrorists to get a weapon to kill an innocent man. We see superman saving people the entire movie. We see superman saving people in both movies. Superman doesnt fight batman for what hes doing. Superman doesnt want to fight batman at all. Superman wants batman to stop making people who are good afraid of him. However he isnt going to fight batman over this, when he goes to gotham he goes to ask batman for help, not to fight him. He ends up having to fight for his life. Dont tell me that people are afraid of superman too. Theyre afraid of him just for existing, hes a godlike character. People would fear him solely based on his existence. If the snyder cut JL goes well I think we will see a final version of who superman will be. Superman isnt superman in MoS and he is obviously still growing in BvS in terms of what kind of character that he will be.
Someone said it best when it comes to Superman. "Let's put the MAN back in Superman." Future films need to focus on his humility and compassion for others because that's what makes him so compelling, not just that he has cool powers. It's that he's the most human person in the world despite not being a human.
Probably my favorite scene for Superman is when in all star Superman Lex luthor just ran out of a serum that gave him Superman’s powers which gave him more empathy since it allowed him to see the universe with all the complexity. He yells at Superman that he could have saved the earth and Superman replies “if you had wanted to you could have Lex” and it just breaks Lex. THATS Superman
The fact that this movie has a positive Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes proves that the majority of movie-goers have no media literacy skills whatsoever
Except The Riddler in comics DOESN'T act this way. he is quite a more reserved guy with his riddle antics. Jesse Eisenberg actually got perfectly the Young Lex from Superman;:Birthright. And comic book Lex is usually a more emotional villain... so this depiction is still quite on point.
That’d actually be a fun twist. ‘Lex’ is in jail, and then is broken out by Deathstroke. He’s then taken to a figure in shadows: “So, Mr. Nigma, did Superman take the bait!” “Yes he did...Mr. Luther” And then the figure comes out of the Shadows, and it’s bald Clancy Brown
It could totally work. We see at the end of BvS that batman spares Lex and begins to turn back into batman. The whole point of the movie is that Batman isnt a hero, or even batman anymore. If jason todd comes back, or if we ever see him at all, we could see how a changed batman would argue to todd that he cant make the same mistakes that he (batman) made. And how killing people affected him in his life.
@I_can_do_this_all_day 993 part of me would like to believe that fan theory that Leto’s joker is actually a brainwashed Tim Drake, and Bruce cant bring himself to kill his old Robin. But I seriously doubt Snyder had that planned and that it’s just coincidences that some fans noticed
The extended Justice League and WW84 were both way worse. Even Man of Steel was horrendous, with Clark's dad suggesting he actually should've let a bus full of kids die, and his complete disregard for collateral damage. No joke, hundreds of thousands would have died if not directly, then from the after effects during the rescue efforts like 9/11. It completely ruined what Superman stood for, who is a human first and a Kryptonian second. He constantly insults his parents by saying they aren't even his REAL parents, and he and everyone else calls him Kal El, not CLARK, his NAME for his whole life. *He also just let his dad die for no good reason. There's a reason his dad is traditionally killed with a heart attack is because none of his powers could save him. That's the POINT. You can't save everyone, no matter how powerful you are. A lesson this Superman never learns.
@@Vindog962 Pay close attention. Almost all the "cringe" that was blamed on Whedon was in the trailers long before Whedon got involved. It's a bloated mess that helps ruin continuity (WW has been in hiding...except during WW84...). There is no comeradeie, logic was actually removed, and contrivances were put in place for no reason (Martian Manhunter, the fact Lois showed up at his resurrection by chance instead of being brought in by Alfred, etc, etc). He also adjusted the aspect ratio, leaving massive overhead space in every shot, and the monochrome made it even darker and harder to see as it already was. Just because you can't recognize shit writing and are happy with keys being jingled in your face, doesn't make this movie objectively good, the opposite in fact: it's shit even compared to the Whedon version. Snyder is a fraud, and his last two movies proved it, as he had total control and couldn't even keep the camera focused... He's called Hack Snyder for a reason. *Dispute a point I made or don't bother responding, fanboy.
@@daveyjones8969 lol what jiggle keys when I watched the movie I liked it much more than the whedon because they gave everyone a character an arch the villain had real motivation the action scenes were awesome also there’s no way your saying whedons was better when flash said what is brunch and they dedicated 30 minutes to some Russian family also what whedon did behind the scenes was truly awful. Flash’s time travel save the world scene was super cool even my friend who doesn’t like Snyder said it was really cool. Also I’m not a fanboy just because I like something about don’t know if you know this but Snyder is a very polarizing figure so it makes sense some people have different options on him.
Duh, he only kills henchmen who're probably doing questionable stuff to make rent and feed their families. Mass-murdering supervillains deserve a fair trial, and a fair chance to escape from Arkham.
Batman killed in the Burton and Nolan films. Also Bill Finger and Bob Kane had Batman use a gun and kill people in the comics in Batman's first 2 years. Also the 60s Batman killed one guy by kicking him out of existence. Batman murdered Soviet citizens in Superman Red Sun when Batman grew up to be a anarchist terrorist blowing people up with bombs and shit! Stop trying to gatekeep superheroes! Ironman, Captain America, and almost all of the Marvel superheroes kill people! Cap killed Nazis for fucks sake and Tony killed middle eastern Arab terrorists while saving refugees and villagers! Wolverine depending on who you ask is either an anti hero or superhero and his claws are used to slice and stab people!
@@qdudehome9889 Boy ya'll are going apeshit about Zack Snyder portraying a villainous Batman that kills people which is the point. You're not supposed to like this Batman.
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 m8 no one cares. Zach snyder is a 5th dimensional Brandon rodgers skit that gained conscienceness if you wanna talk movies then go watch some 😂
A few parts were really nitpicky but agree with him in how Superman accepting the God image was bullshit and how Super cavil never got have any personality
Honestly, do you expect a film with complex characters and themes to have something that stupid? It was clearly more than just their moms having the same name, else we wouldn't have seen the death of Waynes all over again.
@@steverogers6572 its a snyder signature way of story telling called the visual story telling batman said why did you say that name because being a eccentric billionaire he wouldn't be wrong but when superman says save martha batman realized that he had became an executioner that joe chill and he was just an innocent child with a humnaity and didnt saved martha and then he throws away that kryptonite spear and said to superman that he made him a promise that martha wont die tonight because wanted to over his fears that short knightmare he had in his mansion when he was attending martha wayne grave he saw himself as a monster and then after the ware house fight sequence when lex luthors men establihes an hostage situation batman rushes him self that guy was screeching he would kill martha and then batmn said i believe you because he know that guy was executioner then batman saves martha and overcomes his fear
Batman in this movie wasn't even remotely faithful to the character. He's the world's worst detective who immediately blames Superman for blowing up the courthouse and tries to kill him for it without even conducting an investigation. Batman NEVER takes things at face value like this, and NEVER tries to kill people, especially without looking at any evidence. He NEVER just assumes people are guilty.
I've tried explaining the problems with Man of Steel to my mother, about how Superman is supposed to be a symbol of hope, and she responded by saying "That's your opinion." Like no, that's the character.
@@Alice-me2qk Its not an opinion. He has been consistently written to be a bright and hopeful character. To stray from that is wrong. You can make a bright and hopeful character interesting, they simply refuse to because Snyder is an edge lord
@@the_rose_garden01 Saying that superman is one thing in the comics is a fact, but saying that a character should be like this in a film is an opinion. Facts and opinions are not the same thing, and if you can't understand that then I can't help you.
@@Alice-me2qk No, saying that "I don't like it because it's different" is an opinion. I don't argue that. Saying that it's different isn't an opinion. That's a fact.
"He's kinda skirtin the line of what is and isn't murder" Batman: *throws a box knocking back a man into a wall where the mans head is hit with so much force he slumps to the ground leaving a blood trail from his heads impact*
I really feel like Zack Snyder came to the realization that Batman and Superman's mothers have the same name and he was just like, "OH MY GOD, I AM THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER NOTICE THIS!"
@@thewitcherking937 - Yes because the entire scene is built around saying the stupid name of his mother. It should have been a great moment of humanity for this Superman who up until that point had shown very little humanity but forcing the name drop into the scene completely ruins it. Who refers to their mom by name anyway? Even stranger seeing as Superman never once called Martha by her name until that scene.
@@obredaanps3 except it isn't the entire scene is built in clarks dying moments mirroring his father's dying moments recreating for batman the night his parents died. Saying superman shows very little humanity is ridiculous and false. Jsut bevause he isnt smiling alot or making jokes doesn't mean he showed very little. Humanity. We see him sad. Conflicted, concerned, confused, devastated, happy and angry. The name drop wasn't forced. Superman needed batman to know who he had to save. That's why he said her first name. Superman had a boot on his throat, had little time and was about to die.
@@thewitcherking937 if you’re about to die you’re not gonna say your mother’s first name. You’re gonna say MOMMYYYYY. Period, that’s humanity; in your dying words you gasp for your loved one. But Superman had to be a robot and call his mom by her first name in a supposedly improvised and heartfelt moment. Literally does not work
@@justinberry6411 except I'm not an alien. Superman is.. And bstman and already mocked his alien parents. Saying my mom would make batman think he was referring to his alien parents. Add that to the boot on his throat. Suoermaj was being desperate and he needed bstman to know who he had to save. It works when put into context.
I was born a Superman fan. When I was young I wore a Superman outfit with a little cape almost everyday, had bunches of Superman toys, and loved the Christopher reeves Superman. At age 6, I entered the theatre to see man of steel, and left that theatre no longer a Superman fan. The movie single-handedly killed my love for Superman that quickly, a testament to how shit that movie is. Over the years I’ve regained my love for Superman (the character, especially reeves) but not the Henry cavil Zack Snyder version, which misunderstood the character on a completely fundamental basis just as this vid says, great vid.
@@zacharysouza7432 We do, and it was dumb. Having Clark's parents fearful of a world that might hate and fear him, cool. Having his father throw away his life for nothing, dumb.
That’s why Jonathan Kent’s death in the original movie and in the comics is much more better. He died of a heart attack. With all the powers within him Clark can’t save his father from a heart attack which is so heartbreaking. Unlike in Man of Steel, he had the opportunity to save his father and he chose not to which is consistent with his traits because he didn’t save anybody in the film except for Lois Lane and maybe Martha Kent.
This is basically what a Superman movie would look like if it was directed by Lex Luthor His screentime is devoted almost entirely to making him look impassive and emotionless, or looking scary and sinister. People's reaction to him is either fear and suspicion or total religious reverence, and he never really does anything to dissuade this. His reaction to being worshiped by a crowd of... like, Mardi Gras celebrants is to just turn his head and look grave. Pretty sure Clark Kent would be really embarrassed about something like that and ask them to stop, maybe try to extricate himself from that situation.
@Erik Kemeey He just kind of turns his head to the side and looks grave And that's what he always looks like in these movies. I don't think we see him smile or anything while he's saving people
@Erik Kemeey Looks pretty damn emotionless There's never a scene that shows him having the slightest bit of happiness at the chance to help people. It's always treated as a burden on him. When we do focus on things like the hurricane, all focus is given to his powers and none is spent on him actually helping people off the flooded house.
@Erik Kemeey I'm sure those people who were dying in the rubble of the buildings he destroyed while fighting Zod in Man of Steel felt very helped. And the people in the courthouse explosion in BVS seeing Superman fly away without helping them felt very hopeful "sarcasm."
@I’m unknown unknown not only is this a dope ass comment by itself, but it also both reminded me of those old HISHE Superhero cafe videos, and that Robot Chicken “Do You Bleed?” segment. So now I’m gonna go watch some funny ass videos, and for that good person, I salute you.
When I saw Henry Cavil just as a normal human being I was shocked he could smile and laugh because I thought that his lack of emotion was on him and not on how he was directed
I think Man of steel is the only movie that shows how realistically super-powered people would fight. In Marvel they show Hulk and Thanos fight like a regular boxing match lmao. However any fight that gets too long gets boring
@@joseluis5055 hulk jumps out of nowhere to fight Thanos and gets exposed because Thanos knows how to fight in close combat unlike the hulk who just swings wildly and the fact that hulk can't be as destructive due to the fact that his allies are in the room and the fact that he risks harming them limits his output even further and as a result he gets destroyed that fight makes perfect sense and can't be compared to superman vs zod where both combatants can fly, have super strength, shoot lasers and etc. If hulk and thanos were as strong as superman with no allies around sure the fight would just be them knocking eachother around the map but they aren't as strong as superman and there are allies around so the fight could never function similar to superman vs zod.
Snyder was the kid mashing action figures together making "bah booooshh" sounds but now it's all he does in his films. "Punching guy" is every character and the go-to move is smashing people through walls and buildings in EVERY... BLEEPING... MOVING.
“I had a buddy who tried getting me into ‘normal’ comic books, but I was all like, ‘No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.’ I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ‘This is more my scene.’ - actual quote from Zack Snyder, Watchmen understander
It's particularly insane when you remember that Moore specifically wrote Watchmen to show a how awful this version of superheroes would be. He even went out of his way to make most violence happen off screen to not glorify it
@@Jose-se9pu even better he also says that his Batman is pretty much the Batman from Dark Knight Returns You know, the comic where he breaks a gun over his knee and calls guns “weapons of the enemy”
@@Halafas are they? Cause his dad is an emotionally distant weirdo who keeps telling Clark to never show his powers, to the point of just getting bullied, and then dies for his stupid beliefs. While his mom in BvS is like "You don't have to be a hero. You don't owe these people anything". They both sound pretty bad
@@TooFatTooFurious don't you know, it's great parenting to tell your kid that instead of using his super powers to save drowning children, he should've ignored them and just live with the trauma of knowing you could've done something but didn't
@@hammerstix5791 That made me so fucking mad, honestly that scene alone should have been enough to warn me just how little Zack Whedon or whatever understood about these characters
33:33 actually. Earlier in the movie it’s shown that Batman’s smoke bombs have the chemical symbol Pb on it. Standing for lead which Superman can’t see through. Just a little misconception that’s all lol
Tbh the whole "using a brand to signify who to murder in prison" thing sounds closer to something a Batman villain would do, and Batman would try to figure out who's doing it and try to stop him. Only in this cinematic universe would Batman's behaviour be akin to his villains. Edit: I still stand by what I said above, and still stand by the really poorly executed characterisation of Batman, but I've already received replies from several different people correcting the mistakes in this comment, so I don't need further correction thank you. Edit 2: Alright I'm muting this comment, I didn't expect this much attention from it and I'm really sick of people trying to tell me that it's just a matter of opinion and then saying my opinion is wrong in the same breath.
To be absolutely fair, Batman has reached that point before. Look at what he did to Deacon Blackfire in Batman: Cult. Only there, Blackfire had to torture him for so long his limbs fucking atrophied.
@@NoBody-lj5xh True, but that's more of an exception than a rule. That was a character pushed to his absolute brink. BvS is Batman's introduction - this is just how he is in this world, and it's kind of awful lol. But yeah, it is important to acknowledge that it's not JUST because he kills in this one that's the issue. It's the portrayal and execution of it as well.
@@faroffgrace5490 Yeah, I wasn't arguing. I just feel too many people are obsessed with Batman being a clean-cut dude when the entire struggle within most of his stories is that he is, at the end of the day, completely fucking insane, just as much as the Joker. That's why he fights crazy people while Superman fights aliens and Wonder Woman fights gods.
@Ladiesman1447 That makes even less sense. He kills criminals throughout this movie for working with Luthor and very much has no rule against killing, but he is STILL fucking letting rapists and human traffickers go? Whatever.
The “dude-bro” approach to Batman and Superman in this movie is such utter bullshit. Like, it’s genuinely annoying that Snyder decided these characters should kill people because it’s more “gritty” or “realistic.” Neither character in these movies deserve the cowl/cape they wear.
It sounds like Snyder has an "A Real Man is a Killer" type of toxic masculinity, probably from in his case shooting lots of R-rated action movies in other genres.
The thing I never get: supes has an overpowered problem, he is 2 big, 2 bad, 2 powerful, but that problem sorts itself out by letting him care about other ppl. It’s literally spelled out for us: his dad died of a heart attack, proving he is not infallible, because ppl are gonna ppl, and supes big thing is that he cares about ppl. And ppl, aren’t made of damn steel and can’t fly. The same thing applies to his supes powers, all you gotta do is grab his gal or any innocent bystander and he can’t do much. Let die the little children, or the woman you love? Or whatever that spider line was, which weirdly perfectly explains the superhero dilemma. It’s not that deep or difficult, if supes is willing to kill innocents bystanders then he is definitely willing to let them die, making him basically unstoppable. I think Snyder digs that, he likes supes as this unbeatable demigod and doesn’t get that it’s damn boring, as a human, to watch some infallible being who doesn’t really like ppl. Except one girl, he likes her, and she likes him for some reason. And oh ya, let’s make supes somehow both emotionless, and yet somehow grumpy and brooding. cos he’s the one with problems when all the ppl on the ground have to deal with its a bird, it’s a plane zooming around throwing rubble on them. Zack basically made war of the worlds but he’s pro the aliens.
@@diegoledezma4045 Just because an opinion uses a leftist slang term doesn't make it wrong. "Toxic masculinity" means "unnatural violent criminal behavior by men and boys, due to social pressure, to dominate women, repress their own feelings, get rich and powerful, etc." It is opposed by non-toxic masculinity, such as Mr. Rogers-type behavior. To lose credibility, here, I'd have to be an anti-vaxxer, Young Earth Creationist, conspiracy theorist and registered sex offender, lol!
@@destinyhero4795 He is Superman’s best friend, not really a sidekick in combat. But his role is like an equivalent of Bucky Barnes to Captain America.
I feel like Matt Reeves' The Batman and The Penguin can both on their own single handedly redeem DC for Batman V. Superman, Justice league, and The 2016 Suicide Squad. I genuinely cant believe how much I love The Penguin, not to be a glazer but I had high expectations and it was even better than I thought
Snyder is really great with visuals, not necessarily visual story telling, but he's really good at making some really cool visuals and that's about it.
I've heard the idea floated several times that Snyder should be a Cinematographer instead of a director. I'm inclined to agree. At least with the right editor behind him
Hey guys! So at around 34:08 I originally played the "Martha" scene in full. But whoever owns Hans Zimmer's music decided that the faint score playing in that scene was grounds to block the video! So since the video has already been up UA-cam only offered me to remove that chunk of the video which left a weird editing glitch between cuts. Can't do anything about it! But at least this way the video is monetized and actually viewable worldwide. I'll probably be making a video on this issue because as some of you know this happened on the last Worst Superhero Movies video too. Anyway thanks for watching bye byeee
Crap, barely missed it. Now I have to go pay and watch this whole movie to see that part.
Uh oh UA-cam made a stinky poo poo oh no
lol
Ok
Dude you commented as I was watching this lol
Comic book Batman once saved a young man from a robbery that left his parents dead.
He got the boy to safety and soon enough, that boy began a life of crime.
Batman caught him robbing an electronic store with a gang and after knocking everyone else out, he confronts the boy, who's pointing a gun at him.
Batman then tells the boy that crime took his parents too, and he told him, "don't become the very thing that took our parents from us."
The kid gave up on crime and reformed himself.
Batfleck would scare that kid into keeping his mouth shut after he brutally tears the robber a new one
@Erik Kemeey bro with all due respect why do you comment SO MUCH? like why are you replying to so many people on this video
@@greatestever4824 “All due respect” what is he, a general? Go off on his ass.
@@billymoak3848 dawg like im deadass he has like 10 comments alone on this page and they're almost all on different people's comments like it's insane
@@greatestever4824 It's not that insane sometimes people just want to comment on multiple comments
@@whoasked376 naw but this dude is commenting on like 7 other peoples comments and most of them are negative or in response to people who disagree with him, its annoying
Zac Snyder on trial for murder: “nah nah nah I didn’t kill him. I blew up his car and he happened to be in it”.
He won't even need to use that technicality as a defense because it's a clear case of self-defense; Snyder'd would be acquitted even if he shot directly at the criminals.
@@zhengyingli what if Snyder blew em up first?
@@zhengyingli why do I see you in 2 separate video defending Snyder?😐
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
Oh wait, people actually simp that movie so you're not allowed to say the hypocrisy is the same
@@whade62000In that movie, Ra's al Ghul was already on the train.
Batman just made sure the train never reached the Wayne Tower to avoid poisoning the entire city.
So, in a way, Ra's brought it upon himself.
"I'm not going to talk about man of steel in depth" proceeds to talk about it for half the video
Lol I’m not complaining tbh, it’s like a 2-in-1
I’m pretty sure he meant that he wasn’t going to break the movie down scene by scene
Better than talking about BvS, in all fairness
@@speeddemonji9547 "You have a single fact to back that up?"
@@glibchubik4090 who are you quoting?
Having Doomsday shoehorned at the end of this movie, is like if at the end of Iron Man 2, Thanos randomly shows up
Maybe Abomination or Atrocity would be a more apt comparison but yeah Doomsday is like an AoU-sorta event not dropped into the 2nd film of the whole damn universe.
lmao im cracking up just imaging that
Or like if Cooler popped up during the King Piccolo arc
@@elae4051 That’s a odd comparison but I guess…
@@concept5631who’s atrocity
Ironically, I think Henry Cavil out of character looks and acts far more like Superman than he does in the actual movies!
I hate Snyder's directing so much. He did the opposite with Eisenberg and Cavill. It's like he said to Jesse: Just play Luthor like yourself, like you wanted to be. And then told Henry: You be nothing like you, let me show you.
@@OsSas3 :) "Think Jesus, but less relatable"
I share the thought. I don't read the comics so Donner and Reeves's take as my standard, I remember watching 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E.' and in some split seconds of the movie, I thought I was seeing Reeves or Superman, instead of Cavill.
I never saw either when Cavill's actually in the role.
@@OsSas3 lol stop it cavill played a realistic grounded superman ppl always crying about it's too dark smh petty
@@seaniveroni5579 lol you're confusing unemotional and edgy for realistic and grounded.
Imagine if Superman's mum had a different name.
Superman: "Save Jenny!"
Batman: **impales Superman through the heart**
J is close to M in the alphabet, so I think he would of spared him anyway
@@acidicshow5258supes: ”s-save J-Jartha
Bats: “WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME”
Even " save my mom" would have worked, because Batman blames himself for not being able to save his parents, so he would have understood,
But save martha is just corny 😂😂
@@Let_me_cook31even a simple "Mom" would've worked.
@@Nazoto 😂😂
It makes me really happy that Marcus didn't even acknowledge the ending monster was supposed to be doomsday
WHAT!!???
It wasn't supposed to be the real doomsday. Watch MoS when krypton is shawn you will see the moon the Real doomsday destroyed.
I though its Michael bay's ninja turtle without a shell
Marcus?! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?
@@elmichellangelo It takes Doomsday's role in the story, though, so it might as well be Doomsday because you can't do another Death of Superman story in this franchise.
The most memorable moment of watching this movie in the theater was an older gentleman falling asleep, snoring comically loud even during the action scenes. Truly inspirational.
😂
"It's like a 60-minute long dragonball fight"
So, a dragonball fight.
Except there's more fighting and less "the planet will blow up in 5 minutes" moments, but in a movie like MoS maybe that's not a praise worthy fact
And even a bad one. Even Goku tries to move the fights to barren deserts if he can, and the heroes managed to save the Namekians by wishing them to Earth before their planet blew. Even DBZ had more class than BvS.
A short dragonball fight.
Dragonball has much better choreography
@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 so you want superman to teleport all the villians and their ship to desert and fight there??
Anybody remember that brief moment at the beginning of Dark Knight where a fake Batman fires a gun and Scarecrow immediately concludes "That's not him"? Zack Snyder should be tied down to a chair and made to watch that clip on repeat one hour everyday for the rest of his life.
Why would bale use guns to kill someone, when he can burn them to death instead
Glad someone noticed that detail in the scene. So subtle yet it says so much about Batman’s character. Even the villains know he refuses to use guns. Snyder has nothing on Nolan
@@kaibrigance278 Batfleck never held guns in his hands to kill people. The only time where he used guns to kill was parademons in Zack Snyder's Justice League.
@@kasadam85 ah yes. Since he didn't hold the gun in his hands, it's completely fine to obliterate a whole car full of people with a machine gun. After all, the Batmobile was holding it.
Oooh, you need to read some more comics buddy, Batman has used guns and killed people before.
You know it’s a dc movie when you have your phone brightness all the way up.
Holy shit that's so true
🤣 spot on.. Tv too !
@Kermit Peanut DC fan boy
@Kermit Peanut 😂😂😂😂
@Kermit Peanut Frank Miller you mean the same person that wrote the terrible all star batman yeah what a fucking achievement, yeah no because the guy that had Robin eat rats and bruce abuse alfred in his all star run definitely knows much more about the character. "but hes a veteran writer" i could give a shit fans recognized immediately that batman is not portrayed like that, so im pretty sure fans have a better sense of character than both snyder and miller, fucking "casual" so naive 😂😒
It's why I always loved the DCAU versions of these characters. They always had Superman and Batman be so compassionate. They were still conflicted, flawed, made bad decisions, even tempted to do evil, but in the end it was their compassion that kept them as good guys. Like, DCAU Superman would have never been so selfish and cold as to let his father die just to protect his identity: he'd have thrown his secret identity to the wind in an instant to save ANY innocent, let alone his father.
DCAU is so good
@@Quackervoltz To this day, I think the DCAU is the definitive DC. That it is the main canon and everything else is expanded universe.
I remember literally spitting my drink out in the theater, when young Clark asked his dad if he should have let those kids die, and his dad's response was "Maybe!?!?".
Why. He just wanted to keep his son safe and didn't real know how to.
@@brendanpelkey120 DCEU Pa Kent was such a downer. In smalville we've had plenty of similar situations but he was mostly supportive.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 yeah pa kent probably could've used more scenes. He isn't as good as the pa kent in smallville. Tho their characters are quite different. I kind of understand what their were going for with it. I think pa kent feels very flawed and human in man of steel like doesn't have all the answers. Which i thought was kind of interesting its also why like the unclr ben in tsam.
It’s understandable why he said “maybe” Pa Kent is conflicted. Let me ask you something. If your son has superpowers and you wanted to keep him safe from the government and he saved a bus of school kids exposing his identity. Would you be conflicted? Yes, Pa Kent doesn’t have the answers, he doesn’t know what to say, he doesn’t know how to respond, he’s not God, he’s human. He’s flawed. What he said was flawed but it makes sense for a father to want to protect his child over anyone else.
@@camerashotstudios9162 he is literally an unkillable all powerful space alien, the government aren’t a problem
Jonathan Kent: "Let them die, Clark."
Uncle Ben: "Kill them all, Peter."
Oh yes, the famous line.
"With great power, comes great manslaughter"
Peter doesn't kill people like at all.
Don’t forget about Alfred saying to bat man “you must get revenge”
comeon he said "maybe"
Woolie and Matt approved murder
I love that zack tried to deconstruct a batman he didn't even bother to construct in the first place
Genuinely, I don’t think this was a deconstruction. Zack likes The Dark Knight Returns Batman, and he doesn’t like Robin, so he just made TDKR Batman and removed Robin from the story.
He didn’t make TDKR Batman though. Only visual. If he didn’t like Robin he wouldn’t have even thrown in that suit in the display case
@@mitchell7309nah having a dead son is too edgy for zack not to take advantage of
LOL It's like looking at a set of puzzle pieces and then you decide to cut each puzzle piece in half with scissors just because you think it'll make you look smart.
Exactly
"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" he just descried this entire shitty movie
"It's basically a 60 min long DBZ fight" so basically a shorter DBZ fight
Honestly
To be fair, it was supposed to be 5 mins in real time but it somehow became 20 episodes.
@@whosaidthat84 For the length of DBZ fights, blame the source material. They had to make new episodes on a schedule, but they also had to stay faithful to the manga. Unfortunately for them, that meant they had to drag out fights for as long as possible because they had to wait to see what happened next in the manga. They could try and guess what would happen next, but that could easily backfire. Just look at Game of Thrones. The seasons based on the books were amazing. When they ran out of books and tried writing their own storyline, the quality plummeted.
@@foxymetroid yeah I know all that. It's just still hilarious that it happened that way
@@foxymetroid rather have long fights then bunch of filler episodes right?
**Zack Snyder directs a Spider-Man movie **
Uncle Ben: Responsibility isn’t all that important in this world Peter, just do whatever you want and hope people don’t hate you for it.
@Ladiesman1447 the choice he gave Clark was save people with your crazy abilities with basically no risk to yourself... or not. Its a pretty wierd set of options. Uncle Ben's with great power talk resonates with people because it pushes Peter and the audience to be better. Peter isn't just being spider man because Ben told him too, he's just a good person. Its a superhero movie, you kinda need that.
*Kill them all, Peter*
Tbf he could maybe do Back in Black....maybe....*maybe*
@@Koncha321 Ah, a fellow SBFP fan!
@Ladiesman1447 Thats the thing. We dont get a downside to Superman existing. Was Lex going to be less evil. Prolly Not. Were the people he saved on that oil rig going to die without him. Probably. We dont get the payoff. We see him rescuing people and the backlit jesus shots but those are the audience not people in the movie. We don't see news broadcasts of the Cult of Superman or world leaders denouncing him. Media coverage really kicks in because he's kinda complicit in destroying like 2 cities and gets framed for a bombing. Clark knows he didn't bomb that place and its not hard to understand why people might think he did so why the fuck is Clark upset at the new when people trash him. Also Pa Kent comes off real sociopath like with the thought process of "those kids should die to preserve Christianity or global politics".
Normal Batman: If you kill a killer the number of killers in the world remains the same.
Snyder Batman: *RIP* *AND* *TEAR*
Okay batman but if you kill like 100 killers it goes down by like 99 right?
Btw big batman fan its a joke
Well, Burton's Batman killed some people too. Remember?
Yet no live action version has adhered to this rule
@Caleb Irizarry Funny thing is that Bob Kane gave his seal of Approval to Batman 89. Even said it's what he had in mind (as he pissed on Bill Finger's grave).
@@margarethmichelina5146 still this batman is worst than burton's
If you make a version of Batman that kills people and uses guns, you didn’t make Batman, you made The Punisher
Or you made the Batman since he began as a gun-toting killer and regularly kills in the movies.
Batman hasn’t held a firearm in any main DC continuity since the introduction of Robin. On top of that, the most comic accurate live action Batman has zero kills and instead works as a fully deputized lawman. Yes Michael Keaton did kill regularly, but Tim Burton also clearly misunderstood the IP, as evidenced by Bruce Wayne hanging upside down when he sleeps. This movie is loosely based on Dark Knight Returns and borrows scenes that rely heavily on Batman’s internal struggle, like the part where he kills the flamethrower guy with his buddy’s gun. In DKR that scene shows how far he had fallen, in BVS it means nothing because Batman has no stance on the subject in Snyder’s eyes
Good call on his origins but Earth 2 Golden Age Batman before the introduction of Robin was 2 years of comics in the early 1940’s. He’s had a lot of character development since being a ripoff of the Black Bat
Batman used to use guns bro and he definitely used to kill. You clearly don't know much about Batman.
@@SPLADE-95even Superman has slayed his enemies in the comics also no killing rule is a major part of Batman if you don't understand that then you don't batman at all watch movies like batman under the red hood batman not killing rule is the reason why red hood is there in the first place in batman beyond he literally stopped being the batman when he realised he was holding a gun in batman the animated series he literally stopped dick from slaying his parents killer that guy knows what will happen if he starts killing he will turn batman who laughs he won't be able to control himself he knows he is just as crazy as joker. Batman always said that killing is easy he follows the hard path idont get why people whine about Superman putting zod to sleep forever when he doesn't even have such rule when batman killing is something which actually is bothering it would have been way better
It it wasn't there in the movie
Michael Shannon’s Zod is criminally underrated, he almost single handedly carried Man of Steel
Yeah but he was probably the only good thing about that piece of garbage.
And the soundtrack, that was absolutely amazing.
@@peteroliva00 agreed, those two things, and the scene of Superman’s first flight are incredible. The rest of the movie is ehhh
Ok
@kafu Kemeh nah Batman v Superman was garbage and Zach Snyder is 100% just a frat bro who thinks comics aren’t cool unless they have boobies and say the fuck word
@@vsf_dave811 ooo I hate on Snyder I'm so cool, I don't watch good movies cuz I'm a blind sheep
“I’m going to briefly go through Man of Steel”
*Literally half the video is talking about Man of Steel*
I'll be honest ... I was gonna try to be a funny smartass ... but its literally 20 seconds off the halfway point so your just right. Good job.
Classic Marcus.
Me who thinks Superman is a suck character and liked mos for being different: I’m in danger
@@dasboom7133 Who is mos?
@@dasboom7133 I mean, I use to think the same and then MoS had this similar effect on me.... until I actually read some source material which completely destroyed my shitty preconceptions of the character 🤓
"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" best part of the video.
SO FUNNNYYYY
@@Tigerheiress you right! It is!
I agree but you wrote murder instead of murderer
"batman is now winning because he farted on superman"
@@93bendzsi now this is almost wins the prize of best thing said about this movie
This movie was out while I worked at a movie theater. Cleaning up after a showing one time I found three empty little bottles of Jack Daniel’s under a chair and was like “ohhhh okay so I *really* shouldn’t see this one”
this is the funniest comment in existence lmaoooooo
It's a real shame that Henry Cavill had to be stuck playing a darker version of Superman, because he really is visually perfect for the role and I think he could pull off Classic Supes perfectly. Part of why Superman and Batman work so well together is because they're opposites. You can't make Superman dark and brooding and expect to have a crossover be all that interesting.
Why the F are you guys stuck with only one fking version of the character! Jeez it's like nothing gets past your nostalgic boring superman
Enjoy your Justice Leauge 2017 then and be quiet. You got what you wanted with it and Superman Returns.
@@The80sWolf_ exactly lmao
@@The80sWolf_ Pointing out another problem isn't solving rhe first problem.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
There are no first problem. Its just a dumbass that cant see a difference in characters in a movie. If I can, then why cant you/him? Am I some intellect mastermind that analyze movies? lol
"Batman didn't kill him, the bullets did"~ Zack Snyder
"Superman didn't kill that guy. The heat vision from his eyes did."
@@Xehanort10 it's gravity's fault all those buildings collapsed
It’s the people’s fault for being there in the first place
You guys summed up Snyder fans who defend his work to core. They do make crazy shit up and call it art . Snyder is fine but I wish Matt Reeves took over DCEU way back
Batman didn't beat up that guy to death, he died because of his bones got crushed and he bled to death. Batman didn't even touch him, he had gloves on.
Scar: *throws his brother off a cliff
Simba: “MUFASSAAA!!!”
yes
can you tell me why every comment is from 30 minutes ago
oh wait
@@marrowyoutube Don't you mean....
yEs?
@@mackielunkey2205 no, I mean *yes*
37:16 To me how Lois almost dies in the final battle of BVS is hands down one of the dumbest and most frustrating things I’ve seen in a movie. After Batman and Superman leave she gets the kryptonite spear and runs around looking for a place to get rid of it. Throws it in the water. Runs outside, sees Superman getting beat and immediately realizes “oh shit. That thing I just go rid of would probably come in handy right now.” And just as soon as she came out she runs back to go get the spear thus putting her in her predicament. It might not seem that bad to most but how it played out on screen drove me nuts.
They are coming.
Especially since he criticized the Ultimate Edition (the one the fans really hold high praise for lol)
BUT MA SNYDER CUT!
Nah .. all the bad arguments are already in the video.
Indeed
Context: aight ima head out
If Batman kills in this universe, then HOW IN THE FLYING FUCK IS THE JOKER ALIVE?!
Bc He didn't always kill. That's literally the whole point, that He's too far gone, and yet by the end He manages to raise up again.
@@pepeelghetto1231 9 times out of 10 Joker is the first person to die from Batman if he breaks. And most of the time its because Joker went too far on something. From what we are supposed to infer Joker killed Robin and thats why Batman kills now. That means Joker should ABSOLUTELY be dead. he should be first on the hit list.
@@bluefiremarkii No bc the first person Batman is going to straight up murder in the movie is Superman, and bc of a sense of duty against who he sees as a god able to wipe out humanity.
After him, Bruce might as well just go and murder Joker, but as we see, Batman begins getting out of that state after Clark's sacrifice.
The point of no return would've been if he killed superman in this continuity.
@@pepeelghetto1231 are you stupid? He literally murders and has been murdering criminals all movie long and supposedly before the movie too. Superman is NOT his first kill, but honestly it would've been better if it was and he was using things like alien to justify it. But no, superman is just "another" person to kill, just very dangerous and powerful.
And you know even a 1% chance apparently isn't a big deal because the very next film he says he failed him and revives him, only for him to turn evil in the next movie we never got, proving him right. Woop de doo. Horrendous writing.
@@pepeelghetto1231Are you trying to justify terrible writing? OMG!
“Batman is in his fucking cave, PLANNING a murder.” That should not be a sentence.
Congratulations you found the point of batman in the movie
@@lorddonk9806 Then the point should not be a point, are you expecting us to believe that Batman goes around killing thugs and innocent people?
He promised to not let any kid suffer the same fate as him, and he does around killing thugs who have kids...
Snyder is a fucking moron.
@@hailpickens2454 ding ding ding. You get the movie! Although its hard to say hes killing innocent people. The movie shows they arent innocent.
The whole point of the movie is that this IS NOT BATMAN. this is a broken middle aged vigilante who has completely abandoned his ideals. He has lost everyone, harvey dent, jason Todd, and went through ground zero of the metropolis battle. This is not batman anymore. The point of this movie is that batman has become the villain. And supermans sacrifice is the thing that leads him back to the man he once was.
@@hailpickens2454 you missed the point of the movie
@@lorddonk9806 He's still the one which leaves orphans everywhere.
Im sure the Lexcorp guards were innocent.
The movie is about two hypocrates, who do the same thing but wear the same costume
The thing I hate the most about the Snyder films is that they had amazing casting for Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman, but they were all wasted on his teenage-level of edge.
Are you kidding me? That guy was Jimmy Oslen? His death in Injustice helped spark the whole story, but in the movie he barely bats an eye? That genuinely infuriates me
Injustice and BvS incorporate two different stories in two different universes. They aren't even the same form of media. One is a game, the other is a movie. So what's with the comparison?
Superman hasn't even met Jimmy here, so why should his death be something worth whining about?
@@yash1140 Jimmy, Metropolis and lois are what ties Superman to his humanity, no matter what the universe. If you get rid of one of the three without any consequences, you arent telling a Superman story anymore, you're, like the video suggests, writing an edgy fanfiction.
If you take out Bruce Wayne's parents' murders, you don't have Batman, you have an alternate universe Hush or penguin because theres nothing holding him back from becoming a selfish spoiled cow like his parents were. So why should Jimmy's life be so expendable here?
@@thefbiman2116 firstly, what's edgy about BvS?
Secondly, Jimmy, Lois, and Metropolis aren't what tie superman to his humanity. His parents, upbringing, and Kansas do, and Snyder nailed them perfectly. His relations with Jimmy and Lois are consequences of his humanity, instead of it being the other way around.
Take Flashpoint for example, it had neither of Jimmy or Lois, and not even the Kents, but still managed to give superman a mini-arc, which suggests that whatever the circumstances might be, superman will always turn out to be a human at heart.
@@thefbiman2116 Batman's parents aren't selfish
They give away so much money to charity
@@yash1140 because you don't take a beloved Superman supporting character and long-time fan favorite from the comics...and SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!
Also, if Batman DOES murder people in this universe, why the hell is Joker still alive? He'd be the first person Batman would kill, not some random thugs in cars...
This Batman killing is only for this movie as it is implied that he has lost his way in his pursuit of vengeance. “There’s a new kind of mean in him”
Ask the writers. They don't know.
@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh Problem is, they never really show us why. Not to mention, it's as easy as breathing for him.
@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh bro, if Batman started killing and "lost his way", the first place he'd go is Arkham or wherever Joker was holed up and rip his spine out. This Joker murdered Robin, obviously if these movies made any sense at all he'd be the first to go
@Ladiesman1447 I said show, not tell. Even then, it's so vague it doesn't actually explain things. Did this Batman just start killing or did already break his rule a long time ago? We never really know.
"The last third of man of steel is a 30 minute dragon ball fight" how dare you, goku actually moves his fights out of cities
The big problem with that is that I don't think the DC version of Earth has as many barren wastelands that the one from Dragon Ball does.
@@sertorrhenclegane plus Zod would have just went back to go fuck up Metropolis. He just wanted to kill humanity at that point. Only DragonBall villains are dumb enough to just follow the hero to a unpopulated area.
@@MajinLordVegeta but superman could get zod the fuckout of metropolis or gell out of earth
Thanks to Piccolo knowing the barren lands
@@coopercross1678
This is true but Zod knew Superman's entire character revolved around humans. So he would attempt to kill them even if Superman tried to deter him away, giving Clark less leeway to actually push him out of the city as he would focus on protecting them.
Honestly, I find the fault of that going towards the Crew as they should've made shots of Superman at least attempting to get Zod out of the city with no avail and even putting people out of harm's way.
zack snyders fanbase is proof that even if you totally disregard characters and themes of a work as long as you make it sufficiently cool people will gobble it up lmao
I'm fairly certain they're all middle schoolers who will immediately grow out of it when they hit 16 or 17.
@@octaviusroosevelt7355I hope so. If not I feel bad for them
@@octaviusroosevelt7355sadly only most of them do, some doesn't and is 30 and still thinks lowering the brightness and adding a blue filter make a film deep
@@h.d.5194not really
Not really. All Batmen killed before and never had a redemption arc for it.
“I don’t read the words, I just like it when he punches people.” -Bart Simpson, but also Zach Snyder probably
Nah that's more like MCU fans.
@@peterparker6669 you sure showed those marvel fans now!
@@peterparker6669
... You're joking
But the new justice league was goated
Snyder's probably the type of guy who's too impatient to watch films the whole way through so he just skips to the fighting and death scenes then fast forwards to the end.
Worst part is that, super man didn’t need to actually say his moms name to convey how he feels to batman, batman could already have empathy for super man because he doesn’t want his parent to die
@kafu Kemeh he could’ve gotten his ptsd from superman calling out for his own mother. Superman didn’t have to say “Martha”
@kafu Kemeh i know I know but what Im saying is that they could have conveyed that batman had empathy for superman purely by the fact that supermans mom is going to die. Even worse is that if supermans mom did die it would be batmans fault, making him no different from the person who pulled the trigger on his parents. This is all just my opinion but I think it would’ve been more meaningful if batman understood superman from the fact that his mother was about to die at his hands rather than his mother being named the same as his mothers name
Gone Manic But the thing is he didn’t, it was only after he found out superman had a mother that he realised superman was more human than him, he never realised that he could of had a family and life, that’s what shocked Batman, not their mothers sharing the same name (although that was a huge part of the realisation)
@@theanimationmaster724 right I agree. Batman probably didn’t really care about the fact that they had the same name. But Im just saying, they didn’t need to convey how batman felt to yhe audience by super man shouting Martha. It just feels awkward. Even though its kind of a funny coincidence
*ah shit, here we go again..*
Let’s not forget that Chris Terrio wrote both this and Rise of Skywalker. He used the unexplained ghost dad scene twice.
He must have a REALLY strong conection with unexplained ghost dads
I mean, The Rise of Skywalker one really felt like they were writing around Carrie Fisher’s death more than anything else
Wow people really fail upward in Hollywood.
You're forgetting the pretentious David Goyer also wrote this garbage. He gets away with a lot of blunders for some reason
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Is it bad that I think this breakdown of Batman versus Superman is more entertained than the movie itself?
No
I can’t believe they got the same actor to play Doomsday who also played the Cave Troll in The Fellowship of the Ring.
I thought the same thing when I saw this movie. I hoped everyone else did too.
i know right that troll is going places.
@@bionicg2040
I don't like trolls. They're crude, annoying and they're everywhere.
@@haillobster7154 Basically, they are the monster equivalent of sand :P lol
He's under contract with Warner Bros.
"Is she with you?"
"I thought she's with you!"
Bruce, didn't you email her before?
Exactly! Bruce emailed her, of course she’s with you lol
It's a Zack Snyder film lol what did you expect..logic?
He didn't mean as in this is their first meeting. He thought maybe she was with him as in an alien. Super speed and strength with invulnerability? All those people came "with Clark". He thought she might be a Kryptonian.
That doesn’t mean they’re with each other. People really don’t think🤣
@@Crimsontears83 but Bruce literally sent her an email where it’s her in her Wonder Woman costume, so why would he be confused when he sent an email with a picture of herself in WW1?
the problem with this movie is that none of the characters have the exaggerated swagger of the black teen
Batman jumps off buildings though.
When batman jumps of the wayne enterprises building into a full head dive is full of the exaggerated wealth of the white man.
Yeah but Batman could swim
@@adanaziz6929 miles morales' N word pass overrides this shortcoming.
@@eddi8634 good one lol
The way Pa Kent dies pisses me off so much. He's actually safer on the highway than everyone under of the overpass.
BvS isn’t the worst superhero movie for one reason: hot Alfred
This the only comment in my life that has raised my enjoyment of BvS in anyway. Alfred is a silver fox in this movie 🥵
valid point
At least I remember BvS.
Can't be said about most of the DCCU movies
*_Ma MaHn!_*
Jeremy Irons hasn't even aged like fine wine, he's on that soy sauce tier: a pretty average product until it sits around for years, then suddenly o h m y.
That whole thing about how not many people "Get" Superman...
...Is it disgraceful to admit that the MCU actually did a better version of a "Modern" Superman with Captain America? He's everything I imagine in a Superman-Style character now.
Yes finally someone who brought this point up . Like Winter soldier is what MOS should have been
This Is so fucking true.
I first got into superhéroes with the MCU and my favorite was always cap, because of how pure and wholesome he is, so when I met supeman in the animated series you know I fell in love with him in a heartbeat.
Finally an honest DC fan
it's so annoying. When I heard about Kevin Feige's excitement towards the idea of Gunn making a Superman movie, in that moment I realized that he cared about the character way more than anyone up at WB ever will. :(
@@JohnDoe97637 fun fact the final shot on peace maker with having the JL cameo is shoot on marvel studios. James gunn ask if he can do it there and he is allowed
"It's a 60 minute long Dragon Ball fight"
Soooo.... shorter then a normal Dragon Ball fight?
hardy har
thE fAns wiLl rIoT iN 5 mInUtEe
C'mon guys the original manga's been out for decades now and yet we're still saying this?
@@justkiet The Tournament of Power awakened the Anime Freeza Saga flashbacks within us.
@@snakeboy2017 true, but when most people talk about dragon ball fights being long they refer to the fillerifc Z adaptation which is what I was on about.
By the time he started talking about Batman v Superman I had already forgotten it was the original focus of the video
The reason Bruce Wayne chose the name Batman is because his dad used to beat people’s brains in with a bat.
This
Lmao
I understood that reference
lmfao
It's confirmed. Batman is in the Scorsese mafiaverse
The worst part is the “Save Martha” scene would’ve actually shown Superman to be human, as he uses his dying breath to tell Batman to save his mom. But then they had to make it the stupidest scene in the movie...
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That's exactly what the movie did. It showed Superman's humanity, what the fuck are you talking about?
That's why we're shown the death of the waynes at the beginning...
People in the Internet literally eat whatever media tells them to think
@@DerezzedMan No I agree it shows Superman’s humanity but it’s overshadowed by how stupid it is that their moms just so happen to have the same name and thats what stops the fighting
@@DerezzedMan The way it's executed looks like Batman spares Superman because their moms have the same name.
I’m not lying at that point I thought it switched to a parody
Totally agree with the truck driver scene. The guy breaking his hand would've caused Clark to feel guilty and taught him to be more careful in similar situations.
Why would Clark feel guilty for something someone else did completely of their own accord? Why would this make him realize *he* should’ve been more careful? He wouldn’t have wrecked the bar or anything; that dude would’ve just broken his hand trying to hurt him.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 because thats who superman is
Like not work in trucker diners?
@@thefilmwatcher1302 because Superman is like that
He cares about everyone
He cares about people
He was a raised like a normal human
Like you and me
Superman is like spiderman, like spiderman feels bad for thing even if he didn't do so
Superman is the same
Except in Superman 2, Clark goes back and beats the crap out of the Trucker bully. Again, people were fine with that movie doing it, but mad about MoS doing the same thing.
"If you can't picture a Batman comforting a kid, then you don't have Batman, you have Punisher in a silly costume"
RED from OSP
Yeah batman not killing anyone is such a core value he wasn't even willing to let the joker die in arkham city, even after he literally murdered the love of his life right in front of him.
Batfleck gets hate for killing, but it actually makes sense, and I like it. He's been a vigilante for 20 years, and snyders vision was, what if batman actually existed. There's no doubt in my mind that he would start killing after losing 2 robins, and constantly being responsible for deaths of people bc he won't kill the joker, in this universe, hes already broke that rule. Even the batman batfleck is based on has killed, with a gun. Hes based on the dark knight returns batman, who has killed joker l, but denies it, because he's mentally ill, so it batfleck, we see him have knightmares of his parents, he kills but acts like he doesn't. Its Different and I love it. Also nolans batman has indirectly kills Ra's, the league of assasins with an explosion, and pushed dent to his death. Batfleck's batman is also very feared, the public hates him, and even Bruce says to alfred "we are criminals, we've always been", very realistic.. Finally, batman going on and on without killing, isn't good batman, part of his core story is breaking his rule, its character growth. Hope this makes sense and changes your mind.
@@timothysondej516 Watch The Closer Look's video on why Synder's Batman is terrible. If you want me to explain to you why your defense of Synder's Batman is not good, then let me know.
@@yashjoseph3544 one thing that video talks about is how batman uses intellect to fight, physical fights he can't win. In bvs batman doesn't do that so much, bc he isn't in his glory days, alfred talks to him about that to, how he is far from his peak. Affleck's story is more about redemption. And we get a hint of that in the JL 2 and 3 story board. Where instead of batman fighting superman in the knigbtmare world, he has a plan to tell his past sense something and flash does so. So ig if the full story wrapped up, you'd like batfleck, because he goes from being a bad batman, back to the good batman. Zack didn't do him wrong, when I mean bat batman, I mean he isn't what the guy says is a good batman, but later he goes back to that. If that makes sense
@@yashjoseph3544 this batman was basically intentionally made this way for him to fight superman, and to set up his arc, in justice league batman seems way different then how he did in bvs
@@yashjoseph3544 Okay then explain why Tim’s response of Zack Synder’s Batman is good even though I’m pretty sure you can’t lol
It is SO refreshing to hear a superhero fan who doesn’t believe that killing bad guys or collateral damage is all good and just part of the gig.
Especially for characters who EXPLICITLY were made with strong personal convictions against murder.
What's even more frightening though is that there's a larger faction of DC fandom who thinks Zack Snyder's DCEU movies are on par with Citizen Kane and The Dark Knight.
Omg IKR I get so many people yelling at me because apparently Ben Affleck’s Batman is “SuPOsSeD tO bE a YeAR 20 BaTmAN wHo’S bEeN brOkEn bY sO MAnY gOinG bAd anD aLl tHE dEatH” to which I respond with “I FUCKING KNOW I JUST DON’T LIKE THAT THIS IS WHAT BATMAN DOES WITH HIS BROKENNESS”
@Erik Kemeey "A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep".
- Tywin Lannister
@@alphaxan8175 it would be believable if the genius actually showed why he's broken instead of showing slow motion pearls.
@@YatiAcharya and even then it’s not good story telling as far as Batman goes because Batman doesn’t kill
Imagine when he gets to Suicide Squad
One bit I found funny about Suicide Squad was "the man who can climb anything" being killed as soon as he tried to climb something.
@@Xehanort10
He was too powerful to be left alive.
In about 2 months he’ll be back, and its gonna be worth it
@@Xehanort10 Oh, no, he can climb anything, it's just that he tried to climb out of the movie.
I enjoyed joker being nice to Harley for once
Can we talk about how ugly the colors are in these movies? Everything looks so cold...
"Batman is not an anti-hero" is something I never considered, but is resonating _extremely_ true, and I feel like my world has been flipped upside-down, lol
Meanwhile Frank Millers batman
it depends tbh, there's so many versions of batman throughout what? 80 years now. This was a version from the dark knight so he was kinda of an anti hero in the version
@@Alfram here is the thing classic batman the most common batman is heroic as all hell like he is a bigger hero than the rest of the justice league combined someone like red hood is an anti-hero but batman is not the dark knight trilogy he is classic in my opinion no guns, no killing you know classic batman
@@nobody-ji8hl Totally right. Tons of people point out the exceptions that prove the rule for Batman. "He killed in his first appearance! He's a vicious asshole in The Dark Knight Returns!" Yeah. He did and was, and it's notable because he's usually neither of those things.
Yeah I agree, but people gotta realize this was a different version of Batman. A Batman who lost everything and everyone. Alfred even points out throughout the Ultimate Edition of this movie that he's changed. Zack just really sucks at explaining it on a more obvious level, which mislead a lot of people.
"Two murderous hypocrites who don't learn their lesson by the end" out of context is a fantastic description of Amuro and Char.
Ah yes, a Gundam fan in the wild
Huh...wow, good point on that one. Char especially didn't learn his lesson, as seen in Gundam Unicorn through Full Frontal.
Few comments give me a legitimate LOL moment like this one!! Spot on accurate 🤣🤣🤣
Char, I get, but Amuro?
@@manat31790 If you take First Gundam as an isolated work, perhaps not, but if you consider his actions in Zeta and Char's Counterattack? Absolutely. He acts so above the soldiers and killers, but he's no better; he's still a pawn of the system. Londo Bell or not, he isn't going to accomplish anything more than more murder as just a soldier.
He might have been the hero, but I think the whole point of Gundam is that no one really learns their lessons, and tragedy keeps occurring because of it. I don't think Amuro is a good role model for anyone.
The Lois lane parts are like the Spider-Man ps4 mj missions
Thanks for reminding me geez
Lol
Except MJ is at least a good (supporting)character for that game
i rlly liked those missions
At least Spiderman does cool stuff in some of them
I'm trying to be a film-maker once I graduate. All your videos really help me figure out what NOT to do in a movie. Other than the complete obvious stuff, but like the little details. I probably won't do any superhero stuff unless its original, but I would like to at least see how what other critics say could fuel an actually good movie
"Why did you say that name!"
"She's my mother!"
"Yeah...I figured. Why did you say that name? Most people don't call their parents by their first name unless they hate them."
"...Good point"
Is it weird to say that would help?
here's one way to make it a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle less stupid :
" Save ... her *choke*gasp* save ... Martha ... Kent "
Even less stupid was just saying "please... save my mother.... save martha kent"
not really , id argue it wouldnt make snese if he called her "mom"
i mean there he is , superman on the floor , he only has one sentence left before he is killed , and wants to get batman on his side. *do you really think he should say "save my mother" ?*
i can think of a few ways batman would react such as.
"what ?how would i save your mom ? i cant go to outer space you idiot"
"umm , you have a living kryptonian mother ? gotta kill her too then ig"
and especially after that speech talking about how superman was probably spoiled by his parents , i have some doubt that he would care much if supes said it like that.
no , what superman does here , is make her human , he calls her by her name , "Martha" , an attempt to at least get batman to save her , or maybe superman looked into bruce's past and knew about his mom's name.
anyways ,i think this "criticism" is not logical , and a result of short-minded thinking
@@zeidxd6311 The excuses Snyder Bros make for this shitty movie never fail to make me laugh.
"But this is Murder Man vs Captain Hypocrite."
"Which one's which?"
I think RLM said this too.
Superman isnt a hypocrite. Nor is he anything like batman in BvS.
@@andersondalmeus1406 not even close. Superman kills 2 people in the combined movies. He kills zod to save the world and he kills the terrorist to save lois. He never once hunts down or stalks criminals like batman does. Batman goes out looking for a fight. Superman is going out saving people. Batman is not mad that superman is killing people, batman is mad for the devastation superman caused and fearful that he could kill the planet, full of innocent people. Superman does not fight batman because he doesnt like him hunting down criminals, superman doesnt go to batman with the intent of fighting him at all. Superman goes to ask for help and ends up in a fight for his life. If batman and superman are fighting, superman cant have an ideological stance in this fight. He would handily win.
Rich Evans brought me here and I clapped!
@@andersondalmeus1406 superman is mad at batman because he has innocent people living in fear, not because batman is necessarily taking down criminals.
Kills 2 people that we know of ? Thats a garbage argument. If we dont see a pivotal moment like that, then it doesnt happen. Superman kills 2 people. There is NOTHING to suggest he killed anyone else. I guess we are going to artificially inflate the death counts for every superhero now based on absolutely nothing.
The zod killing is not even up for debate. Superman has to kill him to save the world.
The terrorist he kills is because he is saving lois lane, his world.
Superman and batman are nothing alike in the movie. Batman hunts down criminals and terrorists to get a weapon to kill an innocent man. We see superman saving people the entire movie. We see superman saving people in both movies.
Superman doesnt fight batman for what hes doing. Superman doesnt want to fight batman at all. Superman wants batman to stop making people who are good afraid of him. However he isnt going to fight batman over this, when he goes to gotham he goes to ask batman for help, not to fight him. He ends up having to fight for his life. Dont tell me that people are afraid of superman too. Theyre afraid of him just for existing, hes a godlike character. People would fear him solely based on his existence.
If the snyder cut JL goes well I think we will see a final version of who superman will be. Superman isnt superman in MoS and he is obviously still growing in BvS in terms of what kind of character that he will be.
Someone said it best when it comes to Superman. "Let's put the MAN back in Superman." Future films need to focus on his humility and compassion for others because that's what makes him so compelling, not just that he has cool powers. It's that he's the most human person in the world despite not being a human.
it’s like you didn’t pay attention to the movies. god you nerds are insufferable
The most valid critique I’ve seen. Most of the comments essentially boil down to it wasn’t bright and cheery like the MCU
This could happen now with the new DCU
Probably my favorite scene for Superman is when in all star Superman Lex luthor just ran out of a serum that gave him Superman’s powers which gave him more empathy since it allowed him to see the universe with all the complexity. He yells at Superman that he could have saved the earth and Superman replies “if you had wanted to you could have Lex” and it just breaks Lex. THATS Superman
lmao that’s what gunn was saying and snyder fans were hating it
The fact that this movie has a positive Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes proves that the majority of movie-goers have no media literacy skills whatsoever
Its 63%, thats not Citizen Kane, thats pretty much average.
RT score system is broken. It's not a "this movie has 63% sauce" it's a "63% of reviewers gave it a thumbs up over a thumbs down"
Because nobody bothered to watch or rate this movie besides the Snyder cult lol
Jessie Eisenberg definitely thought he was playing the Riddler.
Oh shit never thought about it but he would be a good riddler
His character was pretty interesting, if I do say so myself.
But yeah, calling him Lex Luthor just feels so...weird.
Except The Riddler in comics DOESN'T act this way. he is quite a more reserved guy with his riddle antics.
Jesse Eisenberg actually got perfectly the Young Lex from Superman;:Birthright. And comic book Lex is usually a more emotional villain... so this depiction is still quite on point.
That’d actually be a fun twist. ‘Lex’ is in jail, and then is broken out by Deathstroke. He’s then taken to a figure in shadows:
“So, Mr. Nigma, did Superman take the bait!”
“Yes he did...Mr. Luther”
And then the figure comes out of the Shadows, and it’s bald Clancy Brown
Umm didn't we all know that he was just putting an act to get an insanity plea at the end of the movie?
Now that's my Lex
All I know is that Jason Todd as Red Hood would never be able to exist in this movie universe. Not without some *extreme* hypocrisy taking place.
Agreed, “don’t kill people Jason” proceeds to slam a man’s head into solid cement
“Jason I just can’t kill the Joker because then I’d be like him” proceeds to commit mass murder with his fucking car
@@shimpey2410it would make for a very interesting movie
It could totally work. We see at the end of BvS that batman spares Lex and begins to turn back into batman. The whole point of the movie is that Batman isnt a hero, or even batman anymore.
If jason todd comes back, or if we ever see him at all, we could see how a changed batman would argue to todd that he cant make the same mistakes that he (batman) made. And how killing people affected him in his life.
@I_can_do_this_all_day 993 part of me would like to believe that fan theory that Leto’s joker is actually a brainwashed Tim Drake, and Bruce cant bring himself to kill his old Robin. But I seriously doubt Snyder had that planned and that it’s just coincidences that some fans noticed
"we can't waste time in character development, we gotta get back to the action baby!"
I love Marcus
He has such rich funny dialogue
And yes I said “killed them”
For those who don't understand this universe is another timeline that dark sides knows what will happen hence everyone not being normal
Hilarious
That quote perfectly describes Zack Snyder's sucker punch movie 🤣
The extended Justice League and WW84 were both way worse.
Even Man of Steel was horrendous, with Clark's dad suggesting he actually should've let a bus full of kids die, and his complete disregard for collateral damage. No joke, hundreds of thousands would have died if not directly, then from the after effects during the rescue efforts like 9/11.
It completely ruined what Superman stood for, who is a human first and a Kryptonian second. He constantly insults his parents by saying they aren't even his REAL parents, and he and everyone else calls him Kal El, not CLARK, his NAME for his whole life. *He also just let his dad die for no good reason. There's a reason his dad is traditionally killed with a heart attack is because none of his powers could save him. That's the POINT. You can't save everyone, no matter how powerful you are. A lesson this Superman never learns.
No way you said Zach Snyders justice league was bad that movie was great
@@Vindog962 Pay close attention. Almost all the "cringe" that was blamed on Whedon was in the trailers long before Whedon got involved.
It's a bloated mess that helps ruin continuity (WW has been in hiding...except during WW84...).
There is no comeradeie, logic was actually removed, and contrivances were put in place for no reason (Martian Manhunter, the fact Lois showed up at his resurrection by chance instead of being brought in by Alfred, etc, etc).
He also adjusted the aspect ratio, leaving massive overhead space in every shot, and the monochrome made it even darker and harder to see as it already was.
Just because you can't recognize shit writing and are happy with keys being jingled in your face, doesn't make this movie objectively good, the opposite in fact: it's shit even compared to the Whedon version.
Snyder is a fraud, and his last two movies proved it, as he had total control and couldn't even keep the camera focused...
He's called Hack Snyder for a reason.
*Dispute a point I made or don't bother responding, fanboy.
@@daveyjones8969 lol what jiggle keys when I watched the movie I liked it much more than the whedon because they gave everyone a character an arch the villain had real motivation the action scenes were awesome also there’s no way your saying whedons was better when flash said what is brunch and they dedicated 30 minutes to some Russian family also what whedon did behind the scenes was truly awful. Flash’s time travel save the world scene was super cool even my friend who doesn’t like Snyder said it was really cool. Also I’m not a fanboy just because I like something about don’t know if you know this but Snyder is a very polarizing figure so it makes sense some people have different options on him.
John Kent: Let then die Clark
ObiWan: Murder them all Luke
And not just the men. But the women and the children, too.
Blowing up the Death Star did murder tons of people tho
@@TheJohn9910 Even some good guys. There were some rebels captured alongside Leia...
That's not what he said...
@@L-eye-t r/woooosh
Batman killing is contradictory in this movie lol. How tf he kills but Harley Quinn and joker are still alive 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah and makes no sense
I never thought about it
Duh, he only kills henchmen who're probably doing questionable stuff to make rent and feed their families. Mass-murdering supervillains deserve a fair trial, and a fair chance to escape from Arkham.
Jason would be pissed
Also joker kills dick Grayson not Jason todd in the snyderverse
I swear, zach snyder is a 5th dimensional Brandon rodgers skit that developed consciousness all on its own
Lol he totally is
Batman killed in the Burton and Nolan films. Also Bill Finger and Bob Kane had Batman use a gun and kill people in the comics in Batman's first 2 years. Also the 60s Batman killed one guy by kicking him out of existence. Batman murdered Soviet citizens in Superman Red Sun when Batman grew up to be a anarchist terrorist blowing people up with bombs and shit! Stop trying to gatekeep superheroes! Ironman, Captain America, and almost all of the Marvel superheroes kill people! Cap killed Nazis for fucks sake and Tony killed middle eastern Arab terrorists while saving refugees and villagers! Wolverine depending on who you ask is either an anti hero or superhero and his claws are used to slice and stab people!
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 m8 I think you got the wrong comment or sumthin cuz wot, are you on about?
@@qdudehome9889 Boy ya'll are going apeshit about Zack Snyder portraying a villainous Batman that kills people which is the point. You're not supposed to like this Batman.
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 m8 no one cares. Zach snyder is a 5th dimensional Brandon rodgers skit that gained conscienceness if you wanna talk movies then go watch some 😂
you dunked on man of steel so hard i forgot the video was supposed to be about BvS
A few parts were really nitpicky but agree with him in how Superman accepting the God image was bullshit and how Super cavil never got have any personality
I will never forget seeing the "Martha" scene in theaters and realizing, in that moment, how stupid it was
Honestly, do you expect a film with complex characters and themes to have something that stupid? It was clearly more than just their moms having the same name, else we wouldn't have seen the death of Waynes all over again.
@@yash1140 it was good in theory, not so much in execution
It was actually pretty interesting and made batman realise that he's wrong so it's good in my books
@@Borrrrnana lmaooooo you gotta be trolling. Like the other person said, if done right, it would have worked but it wasnt done right and fell flat.
@@steverogers6572 its a snyder signature way of story telling called the visual story telling batman said why did you say that name because being a eccentric billionaire he wouldn't be wrong but when superman says save martha batman realized that he had became an executioner that joe chill and he was just an innocent child with a humnaity and didnt saved martha and then he throws away that kryptonite spear and said to superman that he made him a promise that martha wont die tonight
because wanted to over his fears that short knightmare he had in his mansion when he was attending martha wayne grave
he saw himself as a monster and then after the ware house fight sequence when lex luthors men establihes an hostage
situation batman rushes him self that guy was screeching he would kill martha and then batmn said i believe you because
he know that guy was executioner then batman saves martha and overcomes his fear
All it took was the font of “WHY IT SUCKS” and I was like “Okay dis bouta be gud”
Batman in this movie wasn't even remotely faithful to the character. He's the world's worst detective who immediately blames Superman for blowing up the courthouse and tries to kill him for it without even conducting an investigation. Batman NEVER takes things at face value like this, and NEVER tries to kill people, especially without looking at any evidence. He NEVER just assumes people are guilty.
Lex is the best detective who knows everything while batman is the worst detective
Batman never tries to kill in the first place.
You’re soft
@@deanparsons389 and u are edgy
@@deanparsons389go read punisher or venom if you want edgy heros
After Zack’s recent interview with Joe Rogan, Marcus’ points of Zack not understanding the characters are even more accurate.
I've tried explaining the problems with Man of Steel to my mother, about how Superman is supposed to be a symbol of hope, and she responded by saying "That's your opinion." Like no, that's the character.
Tbf that IS an opinion that you how, she's not wrong.
@@Alice-me2qk Its not an opinion. He has been consistently written to be a bright and hopeful character. To stray from that is wrong. You can make a bright and hopeful character interesting, they simply refuse to because Snyder is an edge lord
@@the_rose_garden01 Saying that superman is one thing in the comics is a fact, but saying that a character should be like this in a film is an opinion. Facts and opinions are not the same thing, and if you can't understand that then I can't help you.
@@Alice-me2qk No, saying that "I don't like it because it's different" is an opinion. I don't argue that. Saying that it's different isn't an opinion. That's a fact.
@@Alice-me2qk No, Draco's right you're totally wrong here
"He's kinda skirtin the line of what is and isn't murder" Batman: *throws a box knocking back a man into a wall where the mans head is hit with so much force he slumps to the ground leaving a blood trail from his heads impact*
I’m still wondering how the fuck he was able to throw the box like that lmao
@@akilbrazier1421 he's strong and it was empty
The blood was added later. Also if you hit you're head against concrete you will bleed and not necessarily die
@@Crimsontears83 he's dead. There's no way he's alive. He got hit by crate which could contain himself inside it
@@Crimsontears83 that guy is fucking dead.
I really feel like Zack Snyder came to the realization that Batman and Superman's mothers have the same name and he was just like, "OH MY GOD, I AM THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER NOTICE THIS!"
No because it was not because of their mome having the same name.
@@thewitcherking937 - Yes because the entire scene is built around saying the stupid name of his mother. It should have been a great moment of humanity for this Superman who up until that point had shown very little humanity but forcing the name drop into the scene completely ruins it. Who refers to their mom by name anyway? Even stranger seeing as Superman never once called Martha by her name until that scene.
@@obredaanps3 except it isn't the entire scene is built in clarks dying moments mirroring his father's dying moments recreating for batman the night his parents died. Saying superman shows very little humanity is ridiculous and false. Jsut bevause he isnt smiling alot or making jokes doesn't mean he showed very little. Humanity. We see him sad. Conflicted, concerned, confused, devastated, happy and angry. The name drop wasn't forced. Superman needed batman to know who he had to save. That's why he said her first name. Superman had a boot on his throat, had little time and was about to die.
@@thewitcherking937 if you’re about to die you’re not gonna say your mother’s first name. You’re gonna say MOMMYYYYY. Period, that’s humanity; in your dying words you gasp for your loved one. But Superman had to be a robot and call his mom by her first name in a supposedly improvised and heartfelt moment. Literally does not work
@@justinberry6411 except I'm not an alien. Superman is.. And bstman and already mocked his alien parents. Saying my mom would make batman think he was referring to his alien parents. Add that to the boot on his throat. Suoermaj was being desperate and he needed bstman to know who he had to save. It works when put into context.
I was born a Superman fan. When I was young I wore a Superman outfit with a little cape almost everyday, had bunches of Superman toys, and loved the Christopher reeves Superman. At age 6, I entered the theatre to see man of steel, and left that theatre no longer a Superman fan. The movie single-handedly killed my love for Superman that quickly, a testament to how shit that movie is. Over the years I’ve regained my love for Superman (the character, especially reeves) but not the Henry cavil Zack Snyder version, which misunderstood the character on a completely fundamental basis just as this vid says, great vid.
Couldn't agree with you more.
"No, stop my invincible son. Dont save me" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Made me lol
Clearly u just didn’t understand the point
@@zacharysouza7432 We do, and it was dumb. Having Clark's parents fearful of a world that might hate and fear him, cool. Having his father throw away his life for nothing, dumb.
@@LupineShadowOmega if clark saves his father, the people would see him.
That’s why Jonathan Kent’s death in the original movie and in the comics is much more better. He died of a heart attack. With all the powers within him Clark can’t save his father from a heart attack which is so heartbreaking. Unlike in Man of Steel, he had the opportunity to save his father and he chose not to which is consistent with his traits because he didn’t save anybody in the film except for Lois Lane and maybe Martha Kent.
This is basically what a Superman movie would look like if it was directed by Lex Luthor
His screentime is devoted almost entirely to making him look impassive and emotionless, or looking scary and sinister. People's reaction to him is either fear and suspicion or total religious reverence, and he never really does anything to dissuade this.
His reaction to being worshiped by a crowd of... like, Mardi Gras celebrants is to just turn his head and look grave. Pretty sure Clark Kent would be really embarrassed about something like that and ask them to stop, maybe try to extricate himself from that situation.
Do you know what’s funny? Zack succeeded in turning himself and the fans into Lex Luthor while failed to make Lex Luthor himself Lex Luthor.
Then after the film ended Lex would go "See everyone? The alien's dangerous."
@Erik Kemeey He just kind of turns his head to the side and looks grave
And that's what he always looks like in these movies. I don't think we see him smile or anything while he's saving people
@Erik Kemeey Looks pretty damn emotionless
There's never a scene that shows him having the slightest bit of happiness at the chance to help people. It's always treated as a burden on him.
When we do focus on things like the hurricane, all focus is given to his powers and none is spent on him actually helping people off the flooded house.
@Erik Kemeey I'm sure those people who were dying in the rubble of the buildings he destroyed while fighting Zod in Man of Steel felt very helped. And the people in the courthouse explosion in BVS seeing Superman fly away without helping them felt very hopeful "sarcasm."
My spider-sense is tingling. I don’t think we’re watching marvel today
No, we are not.
Im batman
@I’m unknown unknown not only is this a dope ass comment by itself, but it also both reminded me of those old HISHE Superhero cafe videos, and that Robot Chicken “Do You Bleed?” segment. So now I’m gonna go watch some funny ass videos, and for that good person, I salute you.
@@jackmcdonald5237 ♥️
@@jackmcdonald5237 👍
Batman & Robin can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that it is no longer the worst Batman movie ever made.
When I saw Henry Cavil just as a normal human being I was shocked he could smile and laugh because I thought that his lack of emotion was on him and not on how he was directed
Apparently henry loves the traditional hopeful superman. Sucks that zack got to him first.
@@PlayStation360Gamer Henry Caville is a big fucken nerd. Like actually.
uhh so what superman lacks the colourful all american theme....he still portrays a lot of who superman is.
That’s how he is in the justice league animated series..
Bvs is darkest batman movie ever lol, but superman was way more hopeful in snyder cut
"60 minute long Dragonball fight"
Damn that's pretty short
Not really. Goku and Frieza only fought for five minutes
I think Man of steel is the only movie that shows how realistically super-powered people would fight. In Marvel they show Hulk and Thanos fight like a regular boxing match lmao. However any fight that gets too long gets boring
@@joseluis5055 hulk jumps out of nowhere to fight Thanos and gets exposed because Thanos knows how to fight in close combat unlike the hulk who just swings wildly and the fact that hulk can't be as destructive due to the fact that his allies are in the room and the fact that he risks harming them limits his output even further and as a result he gets destroyed that fight makes perfect sense and can't be compared to superman vs zod where both combatants can fly, have super strength, shoot lasers and etc. If hulk and thanos were as strong as superman with no allies around sure the fight would just be them knocking eachother around the map but they aren't as strong as superman and there are allies around so the fight could never function similar to superman vs zod.
@ yeah man everyone knows that. They're fighting at insane speeds.
@@jaybone2321 haha, lol.
Ah yes, “Toto's Delivery Castle.” Hideaki Ghibli's masterpiece.
Highdeyo Ghibjima
How you guys doing it? 😂
Amazing!
Hideo Kojima
Um actually it’s Perfect Blue
Nah, Chihiro the III: where the eathsea rises, is the shit
Snyder was the kid mashing action figures together making "bah booooshh" sounds but now it's all he does in his films. "Punching guy" is every character and the go-to move is smashing people through walls and buildings in EVERY... BLEEPING... MOVING.
“I had a buddy who tried getting me into ‘normal’ comic books, but I was all like, ‘No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.’ I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ‘This is more my scene.’
- actual quote from Zack Snyder, Watchmen understander
He sounds absolutely insufferable
It's particularly insane when you remember that Moore specifically wrote Watchmen to show a how awful this version of superheroes would be. He even went out of his way to make most violence happen off screen to not glorify it
@@TooFatTooFurious like that part in the book where it’s implied Rorschach drowned that one villain in a prison toilet?
That... explains a lot actually
I actually paused the video and just out loud went “There’s no way. There is no way he actually said that-Did he say that?!”
Zack Snyder’s commentary is by far the most entertaining part of Zack Snyder’s movies.
I quite enjoyed his Man of Steel commentary. Very good film
@@danield.8233 man of steel is garbage and doesn't the character
@@babaracus9583 pretty sure it was a joke
A gem this guy missed was when Zack said "that perception about Batman not killing people comes from the Tim Burton movies" (????????????????)
@@Jose-se9pu even better he also says that his Batman is pretty much the Batman from Dark Knight Returns
You know, the comic where he breaks a gun over his knee and calls guns “weapons of the enemy”
Snyder forgot that John and Martha Kent are like THE BEST parents ever.
Not
They are amazing in these films, I don't really get the point.
@@Halafas are they? Cause his dad is an emotionally distant weirdo who keeps telling Clark to never show his powers, to the point of just getting bullied, and then dies for his stupid beliefs.
While his mom in BvS is like "You don't have to be a hero. You don't owe these people anything". They both sound pretty bad
@@TooFatTooFurious don't you know, it's great parenting to tell your kid that instead of using his super powers to save drowning children, he should've ignored them and just live with the trauma of knowing you could've done something but didn't
@@hammerstix5791 That made me so fucking mad, honestly that scene alone should have been enough to warn me just how little Zack Whedon or whatever understood about these characters
33:33 actually. Earlier in the movie it’s shown that Batman’s smoke bombs have the chemical symbol Pb on it. Standing for lead which Superman can’t see through. Just a little misconception that’s all lol
Tbh the whole "using a brand to signify who to murder in prison" thing sounds closer to something a Batman villain would do, and Batman would try to figure out who's doing it and try to stop him. Only in this cinematic universe would Batman's behaviour be akin to his villains.
Edit: I still stand by what I said above, and still stand by the really poorly executed characterisation of Batman, but I've already received replies from several different people correcting the mistakes in this comment, so I don't need further correction thank you.
Edit 2: Alright I'm muting this comment, I didn't expect this much attention from it and I'm really sick of people trying to tell me that it's just a matter of opinion and then saying my opinion is wrong in the same breath.
To be absolutely fair, Batman has reached that point before. Look at what he did to Deacon Blackfire in Batman: Cult. Only there, Blackfire had to torture him for so long his limbs fucking atrophied.
@@NoBody-lj5xh True, but that's more of an exception than a rule. That was a character pushed to his absolute brink. BvS is Batman's introduction - this is just how he is in this world, and it's kind of awful lol. But yeah, it is important to acknowledge that it's not JUST because he kills in this one that's the issue. It's the portrayal and execution of it as well.
@@faroffgrace5490 Yeah, I wasn't arguing. I just feel too many people are obsessed with Batman being a clean-cut dude when the entire struggle within most of his stories is that he is, at the end of the day, completely fucking insane, just as much as the Joker. That's why he fights crazy people while Superman fights aliens and Wonder Woman fights gods.
@Ladiesman1447 Then why brand criminals in the first place? It seems unnecessary.
@Ladiesman1447 That makes even less sense. He kills criminals throughout this movie for working with Luthor and very much has no rule against killing, but he is STILL fucking letting rapists and human traffickers go? Whatever.
The “dude-bro” approach to Batman and Superman in this movie is such utter bullshit. Like, it’s genuinely annoying that Snyder decided these characters should kill people because it’s more “gritty” or “realistic.” Neither character in these movies deserve the cowl/cape they wear.
It sounds like Snyder has an "A Real Man is a Killer" type of toxic masculinity, probably from in his case shooting lots of R-rated action movies in other genres.
The thing I never get: supes has an overpowered problem, he is 2 big, 2 bad, 2 powerful, but that problem sorts itself out by letting him care about other ppl. It’s literally spelled out for us: his dad died of a heart attack, proving he is not infallible, because ppl are gonna ppl, and supes big thing is that he cares about ppl. And ppl, aren’t made of damn steel and can’t fly.
The same thing applies to his supes powers, all you gotta do is grab his gal or any innocent bystander and he can’t do much. Let die the little children, or the woman you love? Or whatever that spider line was, which weirdly perfectly explains the superhero dilemma. It’s not that deep or difficult, if supes is willing to kill innocents bystanders then he is definitely willing to let them die, making him basically unstoppable.
I think Snyder digs that, he likes supes as this unbeatable demigod and doesn’t get that it’s damn boring, as a human, to watch some infallible being who doesn’t really like ppl. Except one girl, he likes her, and she likes him for some reason. And oh ya, let’s make supes somehow both emotionless, and yet somehow grumpy and brooding. cos he’s the one with problems when all the ppl on the ground have to deal with its a bird, it’s a plane zooming around throwing rubble on them.
Zack basically made war of the worlds but he’s pro the aliens.
@@darlalathan6143 your opinion lost credibility the moment you said “toxic masculinity”
@@diegoledezma4045 Just because an opinion uses a leftist slang term doesn't make it wrong. "Toxic masculinity" means "unnatural violent criminal behavior by men and boys, due to social pressure, to dominate women, repress their own feelings, get rich and powerful, etc." It is opposed by non-toxic masculinity, such as Mr. Rogers-type behavior. To lose credibility, here, I'd have to be an anti-vaxxer, Young Earth Creationist, conspiracy theorist and registered sex offender, lol!
@@darlalathan6143 when you say "anti-vaxxer" do you mean an ACTUAL anti vaxxer or a person that's anti-mandate?
Killing Jimmy Olsen at the start of BVS is an equivalent to killing Bucky (for real) in the first 3 minutes of Captain America 1.
But Bucky does die in that movie
@@legion_8561 read the comment again carefully
Is jimmy olsen is batman or superman Sidekick? I did not read comic book
@@destinyhero4795 He is Superman’s best friend, not really a sidekick in combat. But his role is like an equivalent of Bucky Barnes to Captain America.
@@legion_8561 And then he comes back for as The Winter Soldier
I feel like Matt Reeves' The Batman and The Penguin can both on their own single handedly redeem DC for Batman V. Superman, Justice league, and The 2016 Suicide Squad. I genuinely cant believe how much I love The Penguin, not to be a glazer but I had high expectations and it was even better than I thought
“How romantic.” That literally had me dying from laughter.
Edit:Jesus ok ‘figuratively’
Respect the P5 profile pic.
@@reritheguy6756 respect to first comment.
I'm sorry for your loss
That killed you
And yes, I said kill
RIP
or did you mean "figuratively".
"And Lois is sad because she's dating a murderer", had me rolling on the floor LMAO
"And all the while, Batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder."
All u haters watch the fucking video
ua-cam.com/video/IslGylvkjPE/v-deo.html
@@Himothyprimede1 still not gonna change my opinion.
@@imsimplycoldlikethat109 why u hate this film but not the MCU
Snyder is really great with visuals, not necessarily visual story telling, but he's really good at making some really cool visuals and that's about it.
I've heard the idea floated several times that Snyder should be a Cinematographer instead of a director. I'm inclined to agree. At least with the right editor behind him
I would say maybe a second unit director. He can do the explosions but he needs someone to steer him and keep him away from the main plot.
He uses a lot of slow mo's, and dark as shit scenes, those goddamn shaky cameras
He has an edgy teen's ideia of cool visuals, it's a headache to watch
@@forty_two42except that time he made a blurry ass zombie movie...
Tbh I feel like a lot of the fighting in this movie would be great for an Invincible live action show/movie