The PROBLEM With the Justice League
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2024
- The Justice League is arguably the most iconic superhero team, whether discussing the realms of DC and Marvel or beyond. Characters like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and The Flash have individually shaped the superhero genre and the DC Comics Universe for decades. However, it seems as if the League isn't as prominent in modern media as it should be, especially following the failures of the DCEU's Justice League under Zack Snyder, and Henry Cavill's portrayal of Superman. The DCU will be rebooted with James Gunn's new vision for SUPERMAN. Meanwhile, teams like Harley Quinn and Peacemaker from The Suicide Squad seem to be receiving more attention. For instance, 'Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League' is the latest title in the Batman Arkham series, featuring malevolent versions of Superman. In 'Kill the Justice League,' Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern are mind-controlled by Brainiac. Notable Justice League adaptations include 'Young Justice,' the DCAU/Justice League Unlimited, and 'Justice League Action.' By contrast, the Tomorrowverse and DCAMU somewhat pale in comparison to older Justice League animated films.
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Part of the problem is despite how popular and beloved the JLA are, for some reason DC refuses to give the founding 7 representation together outside of the comics. There always has to be some alteration to the roster to accommodate studio notes.
To be fair, it actually worked really well with the DCAU. They meddled a fair bit and we still got the best thing ever. Do I wish they meddled less? Yes, mostly. We could've got Batman and such in the Arrowverse. We almost got a Suicide Squad with Harley. It would've been amazing!
But also, I kinda wish they meddled more with the Snyderverse. Nothing about that felt right to me. So eh.
We just need really good creators in charge. So MAYBE James Gunn will work some magic. Otherwise? They'll have to get Bruce Timm in charge. He can pull off another miracle, probably. Just tell him the 1 rule is no more Batman X Batgirl lmao. I seem to be the only person on the planet, no, in the multiverse, who didn't hate that.
Good! That lineup is annoying and outdated! Sick of Diana being the only woman, sick of no POC! The JL looks outdated next to The Avengers, Titans and X-Men
@JUANxxTNAFAN as founding mebers theyre fine, but honestly gotta agree with you, adding more women like black canary, hawkgirl, vixen or big barda would do alot, plus john Stuart, though i like cyborg i hate when he starts out as a justice leauge member, i wanna see the progression of titans member to being promoted to jusitce leuage status
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@JUANxxTNAFAN
@@JUANxxTNAFANthe X-Men, Avengers and Titans starting line up from the comics where even worse lol
Ill NEVER understand the push for the Suicide Squad. They are lame, weak as hell and a waste of time as a villain team. Especially when going against the Justice League.
Legion of Doom anyone? Hello? Crime Sydnicate?
They're trying *REALLY* hard to make them the next Guardians of the Galaxy.
It's true. The video game they made, they had to face the Crime Syndicate, not the Justice League. Bad Boys vs Very Bad Boys. The story was simple to write. The Crime Syndicate manages to enter the JL Universe, somehow, they manage to capture the members of the JL and the Suicide Squad must stop them, using Batman's contingency plans. It's so simple, that it makes me angry, that they don't know how to write a story that even a chimpanzee tied to a typewriter could write.
@@SuperCanayaZ good news is that Lego DC Supervillains has a plot much like it. Only big difference is it's the Legion of Doom and not the SS but that's a step up in my book.
@@stevensteviepryde5888 lmao that's what i was going to say
@@stevensteviepryde5888DC trying to push Suicide Squad as their version of the Guardians of the Galaxy never made sense to me because yeah they both consist a group of outlaws and criminals, but the difference is that the Guardians are like a found family who actually care about each other. The Squad are just people who are together against their will and that most of them are just acquaintances
The Justice League. The world's most powerful superhero team.
But can be defeated and killed by the freaking Suicide Squad.
They lost to weaker and on occasions dumber villains it could have been a lot worse
they arent the most powerful superhero team
Comprised of a fraud, the weakest Australian, discount Drax, and a Hello Kitty Girl.
@ravenouspuncher no its because the writers male the heroes incompetent when they work together compared to their solo runs
@@ravenouspuncherehm, yeah they are....
Justice League Action deserved WAY more than one season. It just came out at the wrong time.
Right?
Yup
That thing was a 10/10 masterpiece, Basically the Super Hero Squad of Marvel
It was childish
@@Geralddd966 I felt that to
Despite not being Justice League adaptations, I really liked Batman's interactions with the League members in Brave And The Bold and The 2004 Batman show. His dynamic and rivalry with characters like Green Arrow was great and funny. The same goes for Aquaman in Brave And The Bold.
if james gunn makes a new batman he needs to make it in the style of brave and the bold
I loved Brave and Bold Aquaman😂😂
everytime he was on screen guaranteed a good time
Never Let Snyder cook on a dc project again god damn it.
What? Didn’t like a two extended version of Justice League😂😂
Sheesh, be careful. You just offended his cult.
Honestly, dude would’ve made the DC movies the same as Bayverse. They look cool but they are not that great
@@k4t_knifec770 perfect comparison
You crazy ...the snyder cut was gold
I knew it was over for the Justice League when Joker poisoned all of them *off-screen* in a mainline book like some fodder
When did dis happen?
@@Macman12372 I think in batman endgame when he gets his face healed up after cutting it off
@Macman12372 batman endgame, when the joker revealed Lazarus pit shenanigans and some odd lore about there always having been a joker in Gotham and such. Before they both were assumed dead but just lost most of their memory enough for Gordon to take over as gundam batman.
why did they get gassed by jonkler???? are they stupid?????
It’s been confirmed in cannon that the joker toxin works on Superman and Wonder Woman and that was almost 20 years ago. You’re acting like he somehow defeated them. More like he brainwashed them.
It absolutely boggles my mind that DC has the ability to make an any story they want, with any form of media, and they choose to do the most obscure or anti-climactic things possible. They made an entire new universe for the animated films, and they already squandered it by basically making the exact same mistake as last time. Like imagen they made a marvel animated universe, and the first movie was Infinity War. Then they go ahead and make an entire live action TV DC universe, but do everything they possibly can to make it convoluted, confusing, and inconsistent. Dumb.
Justice League Unlimited is the best adaptation of them for sure.
Getting Mark Hamill to play himself, Joker and trickster in the same car is hilarious. Also teenafe girl insecure batman is funny
here's hoping James Gunn's new DCU will give us the proper Justice League adaptation we've been looking for
Thank you for bringing up Justice League Action.
World peace will only be achieved when M finds a character that DC doesn't HATE and DISRESPECT
Batman lol
Harley Quinn, ngl if I was a DC character I would be getting on that clown grind
@@lethirrdpenguin631huh, in what way?
@@damired DC loved their clowns, Joker and Harley are probably the best treated DC characters, for better or for worse
Facts after facts! M doesn't miss!
Man, I wish Superman, Green Lantern, and all the rest got the respect they deserve. They're iconic, great characters. Especially Superman. My childhood hero doesn't deserve the hate he gets.
Snyder never understood our heroes. That's why he failed.
Same goes for whoever currently runs Rocksteady.
I know this comment is disjointed, but I'm just giving my thoughts on your video piece by piece.
Martian Manhunter and Doctor Fate deserve extra love for being some of the coolest characters in DC!
I agree with you. So many superheroes get no respect. And it's due to one character: Batman. The writers and editorials decided long ago to make Batman the central, most iconic, most powerful and important character DC has on its roster. They've given him most of their powers, and if not, he's been designed go be able to defeat them, despite their powers. Superman, arguably the greatest superhero in print, is constantly being "outdone" by Batman. Characters like Martian Manhunter, the GL's, The Flash, and Aquaman are always getting sidelined, nerfed, or downplayed in the presence of, or due to Batman. This is obvious in the comics and the animated shows and movies. Never mind lesser known characters like Mr Terrific (an awesome character), The Atom, Booster Gold, Hawkman, Captain Atom, and even Shazam. They all get no shine in the shadow of Batman.
@blaxpoitation8528 I do agree that DC has a problem with using characters other than Batman. Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman get some projects, but that's really it. Characters like Martian Manhunter, John Constantine, Doctor Fate, Zatanna, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Hawkman, Aquaman, and many more get shafted because DC has to fill their Batman quota. If DC would just take a break with Batman and use their more obscure characters, they would find that people do enjoy those characters. Hal Jordan, he has been disrespected by DC so much. He is like the punching bag at this point. Yet this man is one of the powerful Green Lanterns. The last Green Lantern movie disrespected Hal so much that it deserved a facepalm. Martian Manhunter, a character that can match Superman in power, he barely gets anything, maybe like a cameo or two. I would love a DC game about Flash or Green Lantern that doesn't suck. But DC can't stop with the Batman worship. The writers excuses are that Batman is easier to write for. Another reason is that there is a bigger demand for Batman because the writers and developers push for it more, and the Batman fans are the most vocal. One more reason is that the marketing team does a poor job at marketing comics. They'll let you know about Batman, Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman, but they don't do a good job at marketing characters aside from the Suicide Squad, who have been getting too many projects.
@@captainkrypton You are absolutely right. You hit the nail on the head, especially concerning Hal’s disrespect. It infuriates me because they purposefully choose to disrespect amazing characters like Hal, in order to promote and prop up Batman. This is honestly why I find myself disliking Batman more and more. Not to mention the over saturation of him in all forms of media. How are any other great chargers supposed to develop properly and gain any type of success when all they focus on is Batman?
I recently read a subreddit thread that explained that one of the reasons why DC and Fantastic Four kept falling wasn't just executive meddling but because they didn't have their own independent studio yet like Marvel did. And now they do and I'm excited for this movie and the DCU.
I wish they never hired Snyder for the DCEU. They should've actually planned it out properly to do a cinematic universe that fit the DC universe.
Crazy how u criticize him when he made the best justice league movie adaptation ever , but i kinda agree he should have been only working on batman projects , he fits with the gritty and dark atmosphere of gotham more
@@dahbi-thegoldenplayer45what crack are smoking
@@dahbi-thegoldenplayer45 his Justice League sucked. It was soooo boring. Took me 2 sittings to finish it. And even with Batman he only did the action scenes well, but he completely missed the point of Dark Knight Returns and had Batman kill. Completely going against the no kill rule. He shouldn't touch Superman or Batman. Perhaps something along the lines of a New god's movie exploring Apocalypse and the New gods would be more fitting.
I didn't have a problem with most of what Smyder was going for, but he and his story really weren't the kind of guy to build an entire cinematic universe around. Dude was just planning his own self contained story, and it should've stayed that way while WB built their larger universe in a different continuity. To be fair, a lot of the issues he had were with the studio. He wasn't going to have Batman in the Superman sequel until WB forced him to fast track a Justice League movie. Then they got cold feet and cut him down at the knees with BVS and Justice League. Whether or not you care for his particular interpretation of certain things, his version of his movies are objectively better movies than what the studio mandated versions released into theaters. The buck stops with the studio for not thinking things through. I don't like everything Gunn and Safran have in mind, but it's the first time it feels like DC actually has a plan they're trying to execute on. The problem and my fear is that it might be too little too late. I don't think it will be nearly as successful as it could have been had the done it right almost a decade ago, but I think they could have a solid foundation if they put out nothing but creatively vibrant quality. There's just a lot of pressure for things to be really good because they may have honestly missed the train of cape ish being the hottest thing in entertainment.
@@Sid271 tell me a better movie adaptation of the justice league , + zack Snyder justice league is in the top 10 of the best comic book movie live adaptations so shuuuush lil bro
1:33 If Suicide Squad Isekai Anime is a success, The Next DC Anime project should be *DC MECH.* Seriously DC Mech is more than just justice league with Mechas,
James Gunn is already making an Animated Adaptation of Jurassic League. Yeah I’m dead serious. DC Mech deserves an anime adaptation.
I really wished we'd gotten a game like spider-man 2. You could do so much, especially building up the legion of doom.
The Justice League was always way more popular than the avengers. The studio is just so dogshit that they let Marvel ruin the entire perception of them.
Don't sit up here and blame Marvel for why DC is failing.
I don't know why every DC fan seems to do that.
@@TheMainOne. It is at least partly because of Marvel, but the other reason? Ever since 1989, they've only cared about Batman and very seldomly do they even let Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, The Captain or Green Arrow do anything.
This is not a recent phenomenon. Marvel has always been more popular than DC since the 60s. Avengers comics always outsold JLA comics
@@hamzaasad8407 Avengers outsold JLA, but that didn't make Marvel more popular over night. Clark's books were still top level until after Superman 3 was a bust. There's a reason why Spider-Man & the Fantastic 4 were the only actual Marvel cartoons for a long time while other Marvel characters just got animated comic stills at the time. Individual hero marketing? DC.
@@timepilotcluefinder94 not just Spider-Man and FF X-men has always been popular in animated medium.
5:00 i swear zack is acting like he's the original creator of these characters and that he's the true knower of their depiction in general, like what? 😂 the problem is that he basically wants to develop an original story of his and then use the DC characters popularity to put his project forward
What they've done with Martian man hunter throughout the years is probably the worst
Main Roster:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern
Aqua-Man
Extras:
Cyborg
Hawk-Girl
Shazam
Was there ever a Justice League International animated series? It was the best Justice League comic book series ever, IMO.
With the new DCU planning to have Batman, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner's Green Lantern, Maxwell Lord, and Blue Beetle, i think JLI is in the books for the future. They may be the preexisting Justice League team at the time before Superman and Wonder Woman show up and form the original team properly.
I feel like Young Justice and JL and JLU were great examples of world building in a universe.
In justice League unlimited, when Batman is fighting an army of para demons, he ran out of gadgets and Lex Luthor offered him his gun but he declined and said “it’s not my style”. Then we got BVS…
I have just come to accept the fact that theres never gonna be an adapation that is faithful to the main canon. I've slept better since then.
tbh at this point i think DC should embrace the elseworlds set up, They can make original stories and takes of the characters while not labeling it as a cinematic universe. They can experiment on it a lot and take different themes. technically Joker and the batman didn't feel like superhero movies it just felt like the classic movies from the 70s where its focused on story rather than theatrics. I feel like DC is not playing their cards with this kinds of idea. They can make Movies with super hero characters and make it into character driven movies with different genres like noir, surrealism or even horror. I think DC should focus on making original stories instead of a cinematic universe. I would like to see a Martian manhunter with noir elements and take inspiration from the invasion of the body snatchers, the sign and even the thing into one movie. Alot of these movies would be experimental and low budget compared to the block buster and the good thing about this is that if it flops it wont be a big damage monetary wise for WB and they don't have to worry about making a sequel or a series unlike if a movie from a cinematic universe sucked it basically impacts everything. My point, DC needs to embrace original ideas and stray from comic book adaptations especially if they cant make a plan. The focus should be noir type or even pulp like. Tbh i DESPISE CINEMATIC UNIVERSES, i do like things to connect but not everything needs to nor do you need a cinematic universe for everything to connect.
@@jmgonzales7701 I mostly agree with this, the DCEU should have NEVER happened, alot of bad influences have originated from it. If cinematic universes are to be made alot of thought and care needs to be put with proper adaptations.
I envy invincible fans
If Batfleck (or any Batman who kills) gets movies or something else then they need to be elseworlds stories.
You can blame Warner Bros. for that. They bought DC Comics back in the 1970s, but a half century later, they still have no understanding of how to adapt it to the screen.
...yyyeah. I think that is part of the problem.
Warner Brothers owned the rights for decades and seem bored with the character, hence there always being some kind of new spin on the character often done in modern iterations.
Whether he has a kid out of wedlock, 2 kids, or he is evil, or might be a blk guy (which I do not mind, but can we just establish Superman as is, before kicking off into alternate versions?) or he's evil, or he is emo and sad because "how can people trust an indestructible being? Boo hoo they don't like me"
WB is a pure corporation.
They do not care.
MCU, at least had heart (at first).
i think DC should embrace the elseworlds set up, They can make original stories and takes of the characters while not labeling it as a cinematic universe. They can experiment on it a lot and take different themes. technically Joker and the batman didn't feel like superhero movies it just felt like the classic movies from the 70s where its focused on story rather than theatrics. I feel like DC is not playing their cards with this kinds of idea. They can make Movies with super hero characters and make it into character driven movies with different genres like noir, surrealism or even horror. I think DC should focus on making original stories instead of a cinematic universe. I would like to see a Martian manhunter with noir elements and take inspiration from the invasion of the body snatchers, the sign and even the thing into one movie. Alot of these movies would be experimental and low budget compared to the block buster and the good thing about this is that if it flops it wont be a big damage monetary wise for WB and they don't have to worry about making a sequel or a series unlike if a movie from a cinematic universe sucked it basically impacts everything. My point, DC needs to embrace original ideas and stray from comic book adaptations especially if they cant make a plan. The focus should be noir type or even pulp like. Tbh i DESPISE CINEMATIC UNIVERSES, i do like things to connect but not everything needs to nor do you need a cinematic universe for everything to connect.
They are iconic and look great together, but it’s rare when a writer can balance the seven core members in one story. Flash, Aquaman, and GL usually get sidelined.
The problem that is occurring is because for some reason people can’t comprehend characters that are good AND happy at the same time like WW, Flash, and Superman. Everyone needs to be hyper-depressed like Batman and even then they’re so obsessed with making him kill like he did in the 30s.
its the nature of the world today, everyone is soo nihilistic and cynical. People today idolize homelander.... those people are kinda already telling that they are psycopaths... and those people do not understand integrity....
Justice League Action had my favorite depiction of Firestorm. Finally gave him a personality to match his crazy powers. And making him a hero in training was smart.
They turn him into a knock off of Bolin who was a very annoying character!
@@zemox2534 heck no, dude. Bolin was such a boring and nothing character. He had very little development. Firestorm learned to be a better hero and teammate. Far better writing, and way more funny.
The League really does deserve better. It's like nobody knows what to do with them anymore.
The problem I have with the justice league is that they are the hiarchy of the universe. The marvel univwrse has the avengers, fantastic four and xmen and dont get me started with the defenders and champions. The doom patriol, justice society and teen titans are just not on the same lvl as the league
well with that they could just focus on individual characters
i think DC should embrace the elseworlds set up, They can make original stories and takes of the characters while not labeling it as a cinematic universe. They can experiment on it a lot and take different themes. technically Joker and the batman didn't feel like superhero movies it just felt like the classic movies from the 70s where its focused on story rather than theatrics. I feel like DC is not playing their cards with this kinds of idea. They can make Movies with super hero characters and make it into character driven movies with different genres like noir, surrealism or even horror. I think DC should focus on making original stories instead of a cinematic universe. I would like to see a Martian manhunter with noir elements and take inspiration from the invasion of the body snatchers, the sign and even the thing into one movie. Alot of these movies would be experimental and low budget compared to the block buster and the good thing about this is that if it flops it wont be a big damage monetary wise for WB and they don't have to worry about making a sequel or a series unlike if a movie from a cinematic universe sucked it basically impacts everything. My point, DC needs to embrace original ideas and stray from comic book adaptations especially if they cant make a plan. The focus should be noir type or even pulp like. Tbh i DESPISE CINEMATIC UNIVERSES, i do like things to connect but not everything needs to nor do you need a cinematic universe for everything to connect.
as for the hierarchy i agree, its always superman and batman mainly so if those two projects don't take off u practically killed the universe before it even started. Its a problem that unfortunately cannot be fixed with how DC is set up compared to marvel. Thats why for a dc universe to be successful there should always be a superman or batman project that will come first and everything will stem from that.
Man does it look REALLY bad when the Justice League gets taken out by the fucking Suicide Squad group that’s jobbers at best and completely and utterly useless at worst.
The game should have been Crime Syndicate vs Suicide Squad
The crime syndicate loses to mainline jl, but they would still manhandle the suicide squad
What needs to happen is that we need to see the original 7 first in a film:
-Superman
-Batman
-Wonder Woman
-Aquaman
-Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
-Flash (Barry Allen)
-Martian Manhunter
Since 2011, DC has had a weird obsession with replacing Martian Manhunter with Cyborg, and to me having Cyborg as a main member doesn’t make sense, due to him being a teen titan and him being more ingrained in that franchise than the league. Martian is a founding member and the philosophical wisdom of the team, he keeps everyone grounded. On top of that, with the popularity of the JL animated shows, more people have become invested in John Stewart GL & Wally West Flash, and want them to be the main GL and Flash for the DCU. I’m not opposed to seeing them but Hal & Barry need to be done correctly before you go expanding the universe.
Having cyborg and Wally as teen titans first then eventually have Wally become a second flash makes more sense than just shoehorning Wally in the league just because. You can always grow the team after you establish the true founding members. Hell here’s an idea, why not have cyborg be a teen titan and Wally as kid flash, and have the entire teen titan team as reserve Justice League members, keeping them titans but get called up when the situation calls for it?
Hal Jordan has been getting a lot of “hate” lately in favor of John, Kyle etc…. And his stories have been dc staples for a very long time. Alan Scott is the original green lantern, but Hal Jordan was the one that made the GL franchise a household name, the same goes for flash, Jay Garrick is the original flash, but Barry was the one that made that franchise a household name, so Hollywood, DC, the fans, and society in general needs to act like it🤷♂️
The same is true about Aquaman.
Adam Waterman was the original and didn't get a publication interruption (unlike Jay & Alan's retirements), but when Arthur Curry debuted in 1956, Aquaman's popularity went from mid-tide to high-tide as "Underwater King Arthur"...as opposed to your standard "20,000 leagues under" variant...about the only thing that made Adam Waterman unique prior was that he didn't need scuba gear...and then you have this real popularity explosion thing called Superman/Aquaman hour in 1967...take that Bruce!
@@timepilotcluefinder94 exactly
10:12 This shot actually shows something that really bugged me about the movies since Flashpoint. Phil Bourasa was still the character designer, and he did stuff like Crisis on Two Earths and Young Justice. But the designs became so weird ever since YJ’s cancellation. Tiny waist, giant chest, big square heads on characters like Superman, diamond shaped heads for the ladies. I’d be more forgiving of the movies, despite their narrative, tonal, character, and dialogue problems if the movies looked as good as YJ seasons 1 and Crisis on Two Earths. I just wonder what it was that lead to this change.
Probably lack of proper polish and character design. Weren't these DCAMU movies coming out a year apart? With Phil being busy with other stuff he may have just winged it with character design and not thought it out as much as Doom and Crisis on Two Earths because he wasn't given enough time.
i think the problem is that writers think the Justice League is boring, old fashioned and stiff, as opposed to the Avengers or the Suicide Squad they see more "in line with today's attitude" so they either try to write the Justice League like it's the Avengers or Suicide Squad or don't even bother at all. Same issue that Superman faces where for at least two decades writers thought he was boring and had to be altered in some way or another to make him interesting, starting with the Death of Superman in the 90s
This is the problem wb doesn't believe in their character and they hired synder who didn't like the characters either
its the nature of the world today, everyone is soo nihilistic and cynical. People today idolize homelander.... those people are kinda already telling that they are psycopaths... and those people do not understand integrity.... I think WB chosed the wrong idea of fitting the Modern outlook of life. One thing that distinguished DC and Marvel is the approach they took. Marvel was more on realism and flawed characters that people would relate with their day to day lives. DC characters and stories weren't about something to relate, it was about very powerful people despite being God like chose to have integrity. It was suppose to inspire people to become the best version of themselves not finding a crutch where they feel comfortable about their state of being. WB and DC should have sticked to that identity its what separates them from Marvel, they should have doubled down on it especially during this times where young people need something for them to not give up.
Still bitter Red Hood is still being done dirty in all the Batman projects
And Nightwing too. Don't forget him
The problem is they don't make a league that's truly interesting and not just the original 7. Not to mention only ever centering 2 put of the main 3 and then still not giving anyone else in the league anything interesting besides support character
as for the hierarchy i agree, its always superman and batman mainly so if those two projects don't take off u practically killed the universe before it even started. Its a problem that unfortunately cannot be fixed with how DC is set up compared to marvel. Thats why for a dc universe to be successful there should always be a superman or batman project that will come first and everything will stem from that.
@jmgonzales7701 exactly its a rigid framework they build their universe off of these 2 characters while marvel literally builds universes around the escalation of natural and invented power so it can literally be any of their heroes in the lineups. Dc literally did a comic event basically saying their entire universe depends on the superman theory and quite literally superman himself
@@amandareed2700 yes thats the same thing i was talking about they built the universe on the hope/superman theory. Which is ok, i think its ok to be heliocentric however it would just be challenging and very demanding on going big with superman and batman. The foundation must be solid it must go big or go home. Thats why itd harder for dcu to take off u litterally need to solidify superman and batman first.
@jmgonzales7701 yea its robs them of storytelling ability and I don't understand how they don't see it. Kinda like how dc thinks batman is its only interesting character so we have 65+ batman works not including games it shows how limited dc really is
@@amandareed2700 well its being conservative. Its their money making machine. If dc trief booster gold no one would watch it. Dc has to make a good batman and superman movie first before doing anything
I love the Suicide Squad, but the fact that they keep getting major release after after major release all across platforms while nobody ever seems to be asking for it is crazy lol
someone at wb down bad for Harley
pretty much, DC has gold on their hand but keep doing the exact opposite, they have literally a lot of stuff to work with, a lot, yet choses not to, tosses JLA for TTG, goes with SS kills JL instead of an Arkham game with the JL, and they rather do god knowe what with the movies than take follow what their Animated stuff gave done, it's downright interesting to see intentional failure
I got a “Marvel Strike Force” ad during this video. Amusing
the justice league is my favorite team growing up and it drives me crazy we haven't gotten another justice league movie or a video game in very long time which is just ain't fair because this team deserves something over nothing at least in my opinion.
Seeing batman using a gun is more cursed than seeing him with a smile 💀💀💀
Well peacemaker is what inspired the comedian from watchmen since the watchmen are just chalton comics characters
2:36 That feel like crime.
James Gunn has dark power to make obscure comic characters into mainstream. I want that power!!!
Like, Peacemaster exists way before the Punisher was created.
3:00 Would it be funny if the old guy from 1st season of Peacemaker is actually Bat-Mite and he remembers the old DCEU. That would be funny.
3:37 but back then even before the announcement of Justice League movie, MCU was at it prime. And back then many people praised MCU and said all their movies were better than DC movies. And they criticize DC movie for being too dark and gritty. Which lead to WB hiring Joss Whedon to duplicate the light-hearted MCU formula in DC to replicate MCU’s Success.
So the competitiveness lead to the downfall.
Heck, even Deadpool make Joke about DC movies. *“So Dark. Are you sure you’re not from DC?”*
4:40 Remember Zack Snyder’s plan to make All the Greek Gods into Kryptonians. That is literally dumb. Ruin the magic and most Magic based heroes.
4:49 I believe Zack Snyder read All Star Batman and Robin. In that comic Batman kills criminals by *burning them alive.* And This the same Batman from the Dark Knight Returns continuity. So yeah… earth 31 Batman had killed and gave Zack Snyder this delusion that Batman should kill. Batman should never kill.
6:00 So Superman and Lois’ child become The Next Batman, Not Nightwing? The name Nightwing is from Superman’s kryptonian culture. It make so much sense and faithful of Superman’s adopted son Chris Kent(Lor Zod) becoming Nightwing While Dick Grayson becomes Batman.
Yup Dwayne Johnson got main character syndrome.
10:27 Cyborg and Shazam do have a Great Dynamic of being friends. And it is faithful of their friendship during the New 52.
I remember in the comics Shazam summon a ping-pong table and play a game with Cyborg.
I do remember Superman and Wonder Woman’s Romantic relationship in DCAMU.
11:29 the 1st movie Teen Titans from DCAMU did capitalize Cyborg like to hangout with the Teen Titans. The staff talks about behind the scenes. Even at the end of Teen Titans movie Cyborg brought Pizza.
It would be cool Shazam join The titans too.
12:47 *Justice League Action was Ahead of its Time* The Cartoon was so good.
15:18 There are a lot underrated and obscure justice league members. Captain Atom(I didn’t like his version in Batman Brave & The Bold), Steel, Aztek, and Bloodwynd,
15:32 I like Justice League Dark. Batman is 100% the problem. I remember the staff of movie animated JLD, they said The reason they put Batman so they can have a straight man who doesn’t believe in magic. It was something like that.
But The animate Justice League Dark can still do the straight newbie protagonist without relying on Batman and his overrated-ness.
They could’ve use *Bloodwyd,* *Princess Amethyst, Blue Devil,* *Shade, the Changing Man, Timothy Hunter* or fricking *Wonder Woman* rather than Batman.
I’m sick of Bruce Wayne.
Honestly Dr.Fate in Black Adam is pretty cool. He good bond with Hawkman, that Dr.Fate sacrifice himself to save him.
16:16 After JLU(thought you were referring to Justice League United), Martian Manhunter had two solo series. 1st one from 2015 to 2016 written by Rob Williams. And the 2nd one is from 2019 to 2020 written by Steve Orlando.
Martian Manhunter recent prominent role in Justice League was The “No Justice event” that leads him into *“Scott”* Snyder’s Run of Justice League.
Also in Scott Snyder’s run, there is possible future that Martian manhunter and hawkgirl will have a son together.
Don’t worry, this Hawkgirl is her own person while Hawkwoman is with Carter Hall and happily married. Kendra is Hawkgirl while Shayera is Hawkwoman. It somewhat like Supergirl and Powergirl thing.
Shame that Hawkgirl by Jadzia Axelrod was Bad. Really bad.
I really wish you talk about Justice League Gods & Monsters. They feel more like a team and friends than DCEU’s Justice League. Even Kirk Batman reminisce The day Zod Superman found him.
I really wish God & Monster sequel wasn’t cancelled.
I liked Gods and Monsters Prequel Film Shorts.
It boggles my mind so much how much DC is trying so hard to stray away from Green Lantern in any possible matter just because the movie flopped LOL
J.L Doom is my favorite Justice League movie but New Frontier is honestly one of the most underrated gems to come out of DC Animation.
(seriously, they did not have to give Hal Jordan one of the most coldest moments in that movie 🥶)
Dude for that being DCs first movie in its animated catalogue. That movie is top tier. Definitely slept on
@@legaltowter9811 it's the second. Superman: Doomsday was first.
Still though, it's the only original roster JLA movie out there...and it's nice to see just why you don't cross the nice jokey officer.
6:52 Tony was not in every macrel movie from 2016 to endgame.
Unless you mean he was in at least ONE movie every year after 2015.
He wasn't in Black Panther, or Thor 3
See, I initially was liking Task Force X push solely because of Assault on Arkham. That was my first time really understanding what the team consisted of. Plus, Harleen was gaining in popularity as a solo act as well. So at the start I was happy to be seeing more of them. But then suddenly they started focusing on Harley... focusing on Harley more. Oh now Harley has a movie... now she has a tv show.. Now she's gonna be a main playable character in what everybody is gonna basically call Harleys game... yet we still havent gotten proper representation of Lady Shiva outside of the comics? Man when the hell did DC Comics become the Quinzell Comics?
2:37 Blasphemous! How dare you forget about the 60s Flash Cartoon😂!
14:17 “Why is everyone staring at me” legitimately made me laugh
Justice League Action was pretty great....I would love to see that show continued.
I dislike the fact that WB is pushing the Suicide Squad so much. They're not even that interesting, teams DC should focus on more could be the JSA, The Metal Men, The Legion of Doom, and Justice League Dark. WB thinks the Suicide Squad will be the next Guardians of the Galaxy. The reason why the Guardians work and the Squad doesn't is because the Guardians actually work well together. They're like a family, unlike the squad, who are just there because they have to be. WB and DC need to calm down with the Batman worship and start giving other heroes the respect they deserve. The Justice League was done dirty in SSTKTJL.
for real if they dont want JLA they should have done JSA like from kingdom come
Your page is underrated af, keep up the greatness brother🤓👍🏾
I'm about 68% sure the League movie Gunn is aiming to make is going to be the Giffen/DeMatties League of the late 80s. After all, turning the Guardians of the Galaxy comedic was a very successful move for the films and that incarnation of the League was very popular as well as lending itself to Gunn's style.
For what it’s worth, the Snyder Cut of JL is the greatest movie about a superhero team I’ve ever watched. Every character mattered this time around and had great development in general (maybe except for Batman). It’s a shame that it has the same length as half a work day though, the general audience would never have time to watch it again
WB hasn’t respected The Justice League or any prominent character in DC since the 2000s. It’s like they’re ashamed of them or something.
I think this is the second essay of yours I’ve watched. I wish I had something to add, but your observations, especially around the animated JL, are almost eerily identical to how I feel.
Justice League actions' only weakness is that Wonder Woman's design being too that DCEU Rebirth Tie-in design. Oddly enough with Gunn there's a 60-40 chance we'll get the International version.
Agreed. With Batman, Maxwell Lord, Guy Gardner's Green Lantern, Blue Beetle and Booster Gold already confirmed, there's a big chance that it's the Justice League we'll be getting.
I'm pretty sure Hawkgirl, Metamorpho and Mr. Terrific may be members of it as well in the James Gunn Superman movie and they're there to keeping tabs on Superman and recruit him.
I agree with everything you said. DC and wb are sitting on a gold mine. The greatest characters, heros and villains in all of comics and the keep fumbling. Their animated movies have been really (more pre jl war) good. DC should be top dog in the comic movies. Hell no one has even heard of 80% of the marvel characters. Their comics are amazing but the don't use any of the stories they have everything in front of them but do nothing. I hope James gunn is able to pull it off. I just hate they want original stories when the stories already available are literally perfect
Great video. You definitely owned a new sub
Where is the respect for MISTER TERRIFIC?
Thank God he'll be in James Gunn's Superman.
Justice League really needs some justice.
NGL Batman is overrated AF, plus he's possibly the only reason why people like the Justice league.
He's the face of DC so I'm not surprised
It happens that he is actually a good character.
Also I like the Justice League because of Wonder Woman not him.
Is batman not allowed to use guns during an apocalyptic event. Also TDKR literally had batman smoke a mutant and kill joker as we see his change in speech bubbles.
Implied*
The Timmverse is by far the most authentic take on the DC universe there is, its tone, style and artistic aspects all consistent (more or less) as one continued series
Sadly he never respect Wonder Woman.
Way back in the comics. JLA concentrated on second stringer characters, with occasional guest stars of the more popular characters like Batman to the detriment of sales. A problem Grant Morrison fixed in the late 90s to early 2000s, by focusing on the the Trinity and more popular characters like Green Lantern and Green Arrow. Nothing beats a JLA roster with the truly more popular superheroes.
What are you talking about? The Giffen and DeMatteis version was a big hit. It only failed after they sucked all the unique parts of that version out. And then the big guns version worked because Grant Morrison.
@@AdamYJ"it only failed after..." exactly, couldn't last. Hence the revamp
I really need more john constantine
Love your vids yo
Bro you had me dying when you started cooking The Snyder Cult. I clicked that subscribed button so fast 😂😂😂
Have you seen Batman: Brave and the Bold? I'm new your channel but the last 4 episodes I've seen never seems to bring it up?
@7:27 facts. The rock's ego ruined the Shazam movies and did Henry dirty
Batman obsession is killing DC
Nah it’s arguably their best ip
@barf4brain hell no. Batman is starting to become so over exposed, it's boring.
The true problem with the justice league, is when DC made the team go from the core 6 to 7 members, to 800 plus. The original 6/7 were a symbol of true strength and hope. It was something that many superheroes would strive to one day become.
DC should have made more teams
@@jmgonzales7701 exactly
@@NaoeShadow or if not just spread them out evenly
6:43 That's debatable, since those weren't Iron Man & Captain America, those are just the Self-Inserts of RDJ & Chris Evans, but to be fair, half of MCU characters are just self-Inserts of the actor
My hot take is that DC tries way, WAY too hard to be "adult", and it fundamentally doesnt work with a lot of it's core superheroes because they are inherently childish - and that's why they WORK.
Now when i say this i dont mean that they can't tackle adult themes or anything, but that they have a certain... Naive hope to them. They're fundamentally good people who want to do good, they're role models, they're the best we can hope to be, that's why people looked to these ideas in the first place.
And sure, taking a character like that and facing them with an adult issue can be interesting, but only when it's done sparingly. By this point it seems like every single new piece of media i hear about DC doing is some shocking nihilistic take on these superheroes. Its like they took Alan Moore and Frank Miller's works and decided to push all of their new stuff in that direction, and it fundamentally taints the entire premise.
It's not like the DCAU never tackled tough subjects for example - Batman sitting down with Ace and being with her while she dies is ROUGH, but there's a sincere sweetness to that to be passed on about the importance of being there for someone else.
Meamwhile look over at Apocalypse War and itstjust a nihilistic gorefest where the answer in the end is "shit is so bad we should just give up and start again" - and im sorry, i know people like that movie, but that's just fucking awful.
It's why Justice League action is so refreshing, (and im glad someone finally brought up how charming it is) because it returns to those childish roots and shows us a healthy depiction of these characters and the heroism they stand for. They're just allowed to be loveable, charming people to look up to again, and ffs, that's perfect for them!
Leave the satire and criticisms to shows like Invincible or The Boys, let Superman be the thpe of guy who would never, EVER take over the world because he's sad his wife died (looking at you Iniustice) and let Batman be the guy that'd sit down with a dying kid so she's not alone. Let the core trip hug it out and be supportive of each other and let people unironically look to them so they can feel happy.
And then, when it's suitable, you can have them tackle a tough subject and show how they pull through, but just... Never let that optimism die, because that's why everything feels so inspiring, at least to me, with a lot of the stuff being put out now.
its the nature of the world today, everyone is soo nihilistic and cynical. People today idolize homelander.... those people are kinda already telling that they are psycopaths... and those people do not understand integrity.... and those people do not understand integrity.... I think WB chosed the wrong idea of fitting the Modern outlook of life. One thing that distinguished DC and Marvel is the approach they took. Marvel was more on realism and flawed characters that people would relate with their day to day lives. DC characters and stories weren't about something to relate, it was about very powerful people despite being God like chose to have integrity. It was suppose to inspire people to become the best version of themselves not finding a crutch where they feel comfortable about their state of being. WB and DC should have sticked to that identity its what separates them from Marvel, they should have doubled down on it especially during this times where young people need something for them to not give up.
TBH DC shines bright when it focuses on the little things, Personally my favorite story lines of DC is always kingdom come and superman peace on earth. I Think the perfect superman story is peace on earth and it deserves an adaption even with just a mid budget, which is one flaw of DC. they always shoot for the block buster and every flop risks them being bankrupt. While they literally have great stories that can be adapted while using small budgets like the joker film. I think they should focus less on fights and powers but more on the narrative on why the heroes are needed.
Zack Snyder single handedly killed the Justice League public image and I truly hate him for it.
And I don’t even trust James Gunn or WB Games to make it any better.
Talk about DC Superhero Girls. While the 2015 version is a generic cartoon for little girls, it was enjoyable to watch. The one by Lauren Faust, on the other hand, is an insult. Nothing but cringeworthy humor and irritable stereotypes, especially the male characters are incredibly effective. The worst examples are Superman is a super powered Gaston, Hal Jordan is a narcissistic coward, Steve Trevor is a one-dimensional Prince Charming, and Robin is a douchey nerdy.
Yeah no the show is fine, except supes in that show he sucks
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Yeah, like I said, he's like Gaston with super powers. F"BEEP"k you, Lauren Faust !
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Like I said, he's like Gaston with super powers.
I once thought a DC Cinematic Universe was a good idea but came to the realization that DC works a better as a disconnected universe. The best movies have been movies not connected to the bigger DC Universe. The best DC movies are the Batman movies (Burton, Nolan and Reeves), Joker (Todd Phillips) and The Suicide Squad (Gunn). The best DC Shows are Superman & Lois (CW), Doom Patrol (Max), Harley Quinn (Max / Animated) and Peacemaker (Max). Why? Compelling stories, great scripts, great directors and great actors. Make good movies and people will watch. Forgot about concentrating on creating a DCU.
DC doesn’t work better disconnected. They just get talented filmmakers to make their disconnected films.
@@hasthehighground8560 What I meant instead of focusing only on an MCU style Universe. Make better stand alone movies. DC works better with stand alone movies and shows.
i have very little faith in James Gunn lmao
But not Snyder
@@williamwoluchem4791 His vision was flawed and poorly placed with DC characters.
They couldn't get Bruce Timm and Paul Dini to be the heads of the DCEU? Why Zack Snyder of all people? That dude is the most mediocre and overrated director in Hollywood. You can tell from his movies that he's never read a comic book in his life. Jonathan Kent dies to a tornado, Jimmy Olsen is a goddamn CIA Agent, and Batman kills people and spares Joker. No actual DC fan likes Zack Snyder the only people that do are his delusional cult members. The DCAU is the blueprint for a perfect DC Cinematic Universe and Warner Brothers ignores it.
Zack Snyder is an AMAZING director, but that's it, a Director, he's not qualified for be a Creative Lead & most certainly not for writting
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 He's basically a glorified Michael Bay. I think Paul Dini should've been the lead writer of the DCEU. DC needs to hire better people to lead their cinematic universe. DC never had a fair chance and it sucks because DC is just as good as Marvel. Hopefully James Gunn makes DC great again I want them to be on the same level as Marvel again.
@@callmejacob3234 Bruh, Michael Bay is one of the few directors who OPPENLY PRAISES & SUPPORTS HIS TEAM whenever he makes a new film, not mentioning He has lead campaigns against the use of A.I. in the industry🔥
People like him IS EXACTLY what we need in this era of companies A.I. made films & Overexploit their VFX artists
(& the comparasion is absurd, Zack Snyder is DIRECTOR & WRITER, Bay is only Director)
@@callmejacob3234 MCU is a travesty & complete garbage ¿wtf are you talking about?
-The mandarin is a white buisness man
-Moon Knight is anti-semitic
-They adapted Spider-Man with NO uncle ben & Ultrom with NO hank Pym
-Fat Thor
-Professor Hulk
-You Gotta Do Better Senator
-White Washing the Maximoff twins & erasing their relationship with Magneto
@@callmejacob3234 MCU IS HOT TRASH, KIDDO
1. Iron Man never foughts Mandarin
2. Mandarin is a White buisnessman
3. Moon Knight ant*sem*tic
4. Spider-Man with NO uncle Ben
5. Ultron with NO Hank Pym
6. Professor Hulk
7. Fat Thor
8. Promoting the Black Legend against Spain in a lot of their films
I thought I was the only one who thought that Suicide Squad killing the JL was blasphemous
How'd I find this within 12 minutes of it being uploaded
Part of the problem is that WB/DC wants to keep Batman grounded in reality so he's not allowed to be with them. If you don't have your most profitable character then there's no way they'll do them justice. I would love to see a live-action film with the founding 7 JL members. Sometimes they want to keep even Superman in his own world like they forget they live in the same world as each other.
01 Superman- Head Chairman/cosmic/scientific expert
02 Batman- Tactical and chief scientific leader
03 Wonder Woman- UN spokesperson/diplomat, tactical expert, and Occult leader
04 Flash- Scientific/cosmic/engineer expert
05 Green Lantern John Stewart- Galactic diplomat
06 Aquaman- UN spokesperson, Money and facilities
07 Martian Manhunter- True heart of the team and monitor
Please no more 1960’s lineup! I’m so sick of some fans constantly wanting that lineup!
It’s so outdated to only have one woman on the team and no POC! JLU understood that
@@JUANxxTNAFAN The Green Lantern in my opinion would be John Stewart. My fault I didn't elaborate on that part.
Pretty sure the lanterns share the same role since they rotate between Hal Jordan and John Stewart.
@@JUANxxTNAFANSurprisingly, Superfriends is the most diverse adaptation, with Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, El Dorado, and Samurai. One season had Hawkgirl. The final season featured Cyborg. Then there’s the Wonder Twins, then Wendy and Marvin.
@@JUANxxTNAFAN they want that lineup because it was the most popular. What are you on about?
Honestly, the Justice League is a hard nut to crack even in comics. The original team was a club of DC’s only solo stars at the time, with two characters (Batman and Superman) barely showing up, hanging out with their hipster sidekick and doing missions where they split up a lot. The satellite League was practically the same thing only expanded (and with no sidekick). The Detroit JLA was Gerry Conway being allowed to do whatever he wanted and playing up his own characters. The JLI (my favorite) was a big hit that was hated by editorial and started to fail once the humor and politics that made it work were removed. And Morrison’s JLA was big idea sci-fi that’s hard to replicate by anyone who’s not Morrison. Every version of the JL is so different and it’s hard to tell which version is going to work.
13:03 I don't know but for me every time I see these heroes WITHOUT their TRUNKS I FEEL HAPPY!
It just screams modern and I loved it....
It's annoying that they want to do the Avengers. The trams are not similar anymore than Titans and the League. But DC in the comics has largely given up its identity and they brought Geoff Opportunist Johns in so it was guaranteed to focus on the vastly inferior post Flashturd/New Poopy-2 crap rather than the iconic fare. But get those coins, GJ.
The later cartoons suffered the same fate and were hardly past bad fanfare. Instead of the iconic, they go edgelord with Flashturd/New Poopy-2
Who would have thought Marvel would handle the big 3 far better than DC.
Before the Avengers form we get a shot of Cap, Iron Man and Thor standing together.
Fast forward to Endgame and the first ones to face Thanos are Cap, Iron Man and Thor.
And now any movie can give a character motivation of being Avenger as a huge thing because we’ve seen them save the world and universe.
1:39 bruh that’s exactly how I feel I’m still waiting on a DC version of marvel’s ultimate alliance that would go so hard
I really enjoyed Justice League Action too. I remember being in middle school and being so excited when a new Justice League animated series was announced. Too bad Cartoon Network buried it and it was almost impossible to watch. But I thought it was a lot of fun and showcased many lesser known DC heroes.
Batman interviewing Deadshot is hilarious either way
From Batman’s speech, it seems like he would’ve used guns if they were more quiet 😅
Do an ultimate alliance style game with DC characters. That’s a start right there.
At least they have some decency once in a while, The Avengers litterally haven't had any compelling project(outside of the comics) in more than a Decade thx to the awful MCU-Fication of Marvel Media(that thing costed us EMH, Armored Adventures & the Amazing Cancelled Game of Secret Invasion from 2011), so if you don't like the MCU like me you're screwed because the only things we have after 2013 were:
-An awful cartoon that even its own animators got bored of it
-The Cringy Lego Specials that absolutely NONEONE WATCH
-Overpriced,Poor Quality & Lamely made Marvel Legends & Lego Sets
-A pathethic excuse of a Scam disguised as a Game in 2020
only one to get anything of interest was Hulk with the Vs movies
@@SapphireKnight675 that eas BEFORE the MCU & BEFORE the 2010's
Hopefully after the success of X-Men 97, we can get more marvel animation like that
I ain’t even subscribed and somehow I’m early
Same
Brave and the Bold Cartoon is one of my favorites. It shows a lot of the characters that we don't see anymore
Green lantern has been deeply sidelined for over a decade. Omitted, marginalized, minimized, taken out easily like a 3rd rate punk. You'd never know he was a heavy hitter who could take out superman level characters and beyond. Now, he loses all his power because he makes....wait for it...a bright light. Crisis 2 had him perform what would be a low level feat, now is beyond him. So pathetic. It's like superman losing all his power because he punches Bane.
Batman's "jet belt" had more effect on darksied getting pushed into the boom tube than the most powerful weapon in the universe. Beyond forgivable stupidity.
9:31 WHAT IS BATS TALKING ABOUT THAT IS EXACTLY HIS TYPE
All DC had to do was make coherent storylines with characters faithful to the comics. Here I can do it right here.
Batman Movie: Joker is villain. Bats has to stop him, Joker goes to jail, lives. Have Harvey Dent in this movie.
Superman Movie: Luthor is villain with Metallo as the other villain. Supes stops Metallo, Luthor is not arrested. But Supes has his eyes on him.
WW: That movie was perfect. Doesn't need Justice League. Could have it end with her "hearing" about Batman and Superman.
Aquaman: Good as it was. Also doesn't need JL. I would have cast someone that looks like Aquaman but that's neither here nor there.
Flash: Barry Allen becomes the Flash. Must stop a speedster who has cause chaos (this is the Reverse Flash)
Batman II: Bats deals with Two-Face and Penguin as Harvey has turned into Two-Face.
Superman 2: Brainiac is the villain.
WW2: Cheetah (written well) and Circe are the villains.
Flash II: Barry must deal with the rogues.
Aquaman 2: Aquaman vs. Black Manta.
JL Film: They all meet with the emerging threat of Steppenwolf and the Parademons. Shorten the movie to 3 hours and still have Darkseid appear as a prediction for what is to come.
Just write them as themselves and the money will come. Read a fucking comic.