To clarify what I said about the V-35s being un-armed at the 10:24 mark. I was specifically speaking about the aircraft itself. However, if you garrison infantry units in an APC and then have the Ox pick up that APC, then the units inside it will fire down on enemies below them. I wasn't sure if this was an intentional gameplay feature or if it's some kind of glitch; so I ended up leaving it out of the script. Also, as others have pointed out, the Missile Squads in the Hammerheads could shoot at enemy aircraft.
As Mr. Burns: "Excellent for declassifying this particular file. What about the Kodiak and the orbiting space stations Philadelphia???? Tell us a little about components behind the large mammoth vehicle/transporter. Where does it fit in the video or a separate one for next time???" And where is the dropship launched from exactly??? Anyway, good one again.
Makes me wonder, going back to Generals a bit, if it applies with Missile Defenders inside Granger's Combat Chinooks or with Tank Hunters insider Bunker equipped Helixes as well...
A little detail I found since I love using Hammerheads. They can't fight aircraft directly but put missile squads in em and these infantry will attack enemy air units for ya. In essence, these choppers can be a jack-of-all-trades
Hammerheads are absolutely hysterical. Pack a few dozen of them with zone troopers and rocket squads/zone raiders and literally insta-gib everything in your path.
I’ve tried all sorts of tricks with Hammerheads. But regardless, they are easy to shoot down with air defense or a hit from an enemy fighter like the Venom or Firehawk
I always loved the in universe utility of the ox transport. Kinda like the pelican from halo. An excellent logistical craft that also gives great mobility to forces its supporting
"Regiment" seemed to be the word of the day when the dev team was working on the Intelligence Database in Kane's Wrath. Check out how many times it was used there. That aside, fantastic work as always Jethild! Having played this series since childhood, it's a joy to hear a fresh perspective on the lore.
@@Amadeus8484 Exactly! Someone on the EA dev team likely grabbed a thesaurus and said “Eh, means the same”, when it doesn’t. If they ever make a helicopter big enough to fit a regiment on board, then I’ll gladly follow that description. But a Hammerhead is not that big, and a squad is not a regiment.
@@siriushauserVT If you MUST rationalize it, you could say that individual units on the map represent much bigger ones but either way, a Regiment would have trouble getting into a jumbo jet...
@@TheLastSterling1304 Makes me think of 40K where an Imperial Guard regiment can be 100 dudes or 10 million. It is sort of handwaved in lore by stating that regiments are kept fighting until they are so depleted they are no longer combat effective, so that regiment with 100 guardsmen started as a much bigger force and these were the last survivors. Said regiments are either merged with other depleted regiments (forming what is referred to as "scratch regiments"), sent back to their world to replenish their numbers, or discharged from service and, depending on their deeds, often being allowed to settle conquered territory. Of course, they could also be sent for some lifelong R&R on that planet that also exports an unusually large quantity of Servitors. Odd.
Well despite the fact that it's "official" canon, no true fan of C&C would ever consider it as such. Besides it was originally meant to be an entirely different game. It's just EA that forced it to have a C&C skinsuit. It's pretty sad because the game called C&C4 *could* have worked as another franchise (and maybe a few more months of work for balancing)
I wasn’t fond of the gameplay style for C&C 4, but taking Tiberium from the Earth was according to the game, the only way to save Earth from another Scrin Invasion. I mean if the force in Tiberium Wars was only lightly armed, there wasn’t a chance of stopping a fleet of Battleships with the resources of one planet and the planet taken over by Tiberium.
15:47 The Hammerhead is using a Flettner Rotor design with counter rotating rotors to counter out the torque. A Heli with NOTAR system has a conventional single Rotor, the counter-torque is provided by a exhaust nozzle at the end of the tailboom.
Consider that GDI didn't have much issue with A-10 friendly-fire on ground troop, one can presumed that the British didn't contribute much to GDI ground forces.
That GDI Supersonic Fighter? Yeah, they went ahead and actually built the Hellreaper, a Soviet era experimental aircraft that was intended to fly incredibly fast at very low altitude and use the shockwave from its passing as a weapon. It was never actually built, since A) Flying that fast, that low would be virtually suicidal for the pilot and B) the effects of this weapon would potentially be considered a war crime, with predictions of it being capable of exploding heads of infantry as it flew over.
The US B-1 can actually do significant damage to infrastructure when flying at Mach 2+ low level. Not its primary weapon by any means but would take out above ground power lines in its path.
Well I would think that the war crime would be civilian collateral damage from such a Sonic boom! A Sonic boom can get really powerful. I could see civilian collateral damage happening from that.
I think the GDI also might’ve used the Grumman F-14 Tomcats during the First Tib War since there was one scene in the intro where GDI troops were onboarding a Black Hawk on an aircraft carrier and there’s some shapes of aircraft that looks like an F-14.
Me too but in regular tib wars when they are going after scrin ships especially they friendly fire sooooooo much and kill each other or themselves with splash damage thankfully kanes wrath fixed thay
@@mkvector9539 I never had the issue with raptors migs and the napalm/nukes good lord if a supply plane flies over your base and they try to shoot it down your own base is getting blown up not to mention your jets
Long time C&C fan here. Since i got an original Red Alert copy as a birthday pressent in 1997 i was hooked. My old now stand alone win7 pc is just for playing C&C games to this day. Nothing more fun than after a stress week just play C&C to relax.
@@LINJ638 My headcanon was always the Philadephia or a similar supporting satellite given GDI's push for putting their military assets in orbit at the time and the Dropship coming out of high altitude in game. They dont seem to be able to alone return to high altitude (No stratofighter upgrades yet 😂) since they leave the map at low altitude. But I don't know of any source to corroborate that.
@@squishymusic9723 Well, Jethild was saying that it wasn't launched from space from the main one that is Philadelphia or other supporting network of space station to the Dropship Center on the ground to his presumption. Weird. Note the huge high gain antenna in the cut content. How do they return to high altitude.
@@LINJ638 Again conjecture/head canon but I would assume additional thrusters - boosters - could be added to allow them to leave. Another idea is that without the cargo container, since it can detach entirely, they would then be able to leave atmosphere.
When I was a kid playing these games I would make up story's like this lol. It is vary nice to see them come to life more with you and no strings thank you.
It's funny because while the Ox refuses to carry the Mammoth Tank due to its sheer size, in RA3, Twinblades have no problems in airlifting Apocalypse Tanks...
I will say in Tib 3 Nod’s Venom craft are the best overall cheap/unlimited ammo and can attack air and ground. Also can extend the range of the beam cannons. Plus Specter aircraft Nods Air Force is pretty good.
Ox’s can’t lift Harvesters due to the Tiberium being too dangerous to fly around a battlefield. They can’t lift Rigs due to their intricate machinery. They can’t lift Mammoths because… girth? I guess. Edit: I was in a rush when I wrote this so I'll elaborate a little. The Harvesters will likely either have a full cargo hold or traces of Tiberium inside them. In either case if they get shot down, that's more Tiberium contamination - potentially over a Yellow or even Blue Zone. For a full hold, that would also be too heavy and potentially unstable to carry - since Tiberium is explosive, it might be volatile in the state it's harvested in until it's refined. The Rigs are as stated by a comment to be a utility vehicle so aren't likely to be vital for aerial transport, but that would have it's uses. I think it's down more to the fact that the Rig's build itself is little more than "cockpit". It's literally a glass box with metal bits on the bottom - put simply there's nowhere to grab it without potentially tearing off the head, which we know extends when deployed. It'd be like picking up a jar by the lid. As for Mammoths their sheer weight would definitely preclude the Ox transports from carrying them - on top of that, if ONE transport could carry one, it would take ONE lucky Rocket Militant to destroy a very powerful and very expensive GDI vehicle unit, alongside it's presumably highly-trained crew. Plus if it did get shot down, it's gonna land on *something*. And that *something* won't fare well. Also, it's likely that even if one Ox transport could lift it, it'd be far too heavy to move fast enough to evade attacks or keep up with it's escorts and other transports. The MCV can be lifted in a "cutscene" but as you can see it clips to all Hell inside the Ox, so it's very definitely been jury-rigged for the dramatic entrance. As for actual reasons, I again imagine it's far too heavy to lift safely and efficiently. That, and dropping a 3,500+ credit mobile firebase because the transport's engine failed would probably cause a little uproar. Engineers aren't cheap either. The Titan Mark II is as mentioned probably too heavy and unwieldy to carry via Ox, and likely the Steel Talons know how vulnerable they are to being shot down in flight, so forbid it. Their funds are stretched as-is. And the Juggernaut/Behemoth are simply way too heavy, expensive and unwieldy to lift. See again my "every crash is a landing" and "lift a jar by the lid" analogies. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Peace Through Power.
I agree that the Harvesters seem too hazardous to carry. Even empty there will be traces of tiberium inside if its been used. The last thing GDI wants is a harvester dropping somewhere and starting a new patch. Rig is not a combat vehicle since its listed function is to secure territory once its been cleared. No need to have it air transportable since its not going to be rushed into combat. Sort of like a supply truck. I won’t try to do any maths on it but even if GDI has some new armour material that is light the sheer size of that thing slung bellow one transport would be a pig to fly with. I can only think of two ways to make that thing is fly. One the ground crew wire it up to a few transports like a Jaeger from Pacific Rim and fly in some tight formation to carry it. One Rocket and you lose all the transports plus a Mammoth. Or you can try my crazy plan to make the MCV fly bellow. If you want to make an MCV airdropable if if you strip everything non essential to flight from that V-35 and that the MCV wouldn't be able to fabricate on site. I’m talking the what they did to those B-25’s during the Doolittle Raid. Pull any limiter from the engine for more power at the cost of fuel consumption. Fit the both with some JATO or RATO boosters to help with take-off. Once both are as light as possible have the MCV drive to a runway facing away from the destination. Have its upper crane slide forwards as far as it can without dropping the body. That gets you a some what flat space on top and the somewhat rounded end facing the direction of travel. Drain any fuel from the MCV to cut more weight. Now to fill the V-35 with just enough fuel to hover and land on top of the MCV. Weld on some attachment points and clamp it. Give the V-35 enough fuel for a rolling take off and no more. Have the MCV put its wheels into neutral and pray. The V-35 has to reach a high enough speed it can overcome the MCV’s mass and drag to the point it can take off. If it can go fast enough and just lift off it can use the ground effect to pull it off. You need to keep performing mid air refuelling the whole way since its going to burn fuel. Once its near the drop point aim for a highway or large flat area. Let the MCV’s wheels make contact and have them signal to release. Pop the clamps the moment you hear its down and then RTB. Once you land write off the V-35. I don’t know what process GDI uses to say don’t use it but I’m saying don’t use it. Ever. This whole plan relies on every trick I can think of to pull it off. But it still poses a massive risk to both transport and MCV. Probably why no one wants to do it in universe. Gameplay wise having the MCV do some crazy airdrop would be cool but making the animation for one mission would be a waste.
At the end of the day the Ox has no reason beyond gameplay to be worse than the Orca Carryall. SO I just headcanon that it actually can do all of that.
@@igncom1 I still like the idea of some ground crew being told they need to make an MCV fly for the next mission. Nothing gets the enlisted going like a good challenge.
i really liked firehawk but this unit require a bit micro-ing when i played back then. if you're not careful in dog fight, firehawk missile explosion can damage themself, this is problematic when you trying to hit devastator since firehawk try being cool by flying through devastator and it's missile explosion. perhaps it's patched already
I love your videos as much as I love Command and Conquer(and RTS in general). And I have an idea for a video: could you make a video explaining or summarizing the three Tiberium Wars? Like, a three-part video or something like that. Keep up the good work!
@@sixthcairn i don't know if you're serious. Or if this is a joke about how everyone denies the existance of cnc 4. But yes, only if it was made by a different person.
@@aljoshilagan3204 Honestly at this point I'd settle for a Deserts of Kharak-style title made by Blackbird, or a grand strategy title made by Paradox, nearly any developer except for EA.😭
I still prefer NOD aircraft, Venom is fast, detects invisible targets, can shoot ground and air targets and has laser! Vertigo is powerful stealth bomber and it looks sleek and badass
@Jethild 9:20 Imagination and speculation: in order to be able to lift an MCV V-35 could receive a special modification, unavailable to a field commander under normal circumstances.
I got into the series only during the C&C 3 Tiberium Wars era so seeing how gradually the two sides began as basically 21st century militaries and reached what I knew is very interesting.
5:45 It's body is pretty much completely C5 but the wings are C130. You can tell not only by the propellors but also by how thin and flat they are compared to the more chunky and strongly shaped wings on the C5. You actually can't physically put such thin and flat wings on a plane that big. A heavy planes demands thicker wings to bear the load and flatter wings produce less lift so demand a higher angle of attack but do grant more maneuverability and less drag which is why you often see them on fighter planes. The C130 is meant to operate from forward air bases and to possibly dodge AA fire or use it's flares to distract them before escaping.
15:40 It's funny how you can clearly see the two blocks for launching unguided missiles (two cone-shaped things with holes around the tip) under the wings of Hammerhead, next to the two pairs of machine guns, and this helicopter in the game is only capable of firing machine guns and that's it
I never did like the change to most aircraft to make the ones with bullets have unlimited ammo like the hammerhead and venom. I'm fine with warships like the Scrin use or Soviet Kirovs having unlimited ammo, but otherwise you end up with swarms of fast destroy-all aircraft like hammerheads, venoms, or twinblades swarming about like mutalisks from starcraft. Just not for me, I much prefer my aircraft to be very different to other unit types like tanks and infantry.
Strategic placed lightly armoured slingshots often made minced meat of airthreats. They also have unlimited ammo like most of the units in the C&C universe. Later on only non rotary air units (Orca, Firehawk, Vertigo, Mig, F117, Raptor and Aurora etc.etc. ) had return to base to rearm. The Apache / Helix in C&C generals also had unlimited ammo.
@@obelic71 yeah but it was never really a mechanic that really jelled with me. Aircraft with ammo, barring the slow airships, always felt like a more enjoyable difference with ground units.
Think the issue with the Ox being able to airlift a ConYard but not a Mammoth or Titan or anything else is more because of the mass - i.e. the ConYard, unlike frontline units, doesn't really have that much armor and may not be as heavy.
Excelent videos, some corrections 10:25 Firehawk drop bombs, not air to ground missiles, also if a hammerhead contains a Rocket Squad or Zone Raider squad it can attack aircraft and even destroy venoms in one to one battles.
I love how the pretty large writing error of an entire regiment, upon hearing it I just thought "They suddenly have miniturized scrin portals in there?"
5:14 That's not a raptor. That's a YF-23 Grey Ghost/Black Widow. The engines' exhaust ports are slits. Happens to be my favorite fighter plane in the world.
there is concept art of GDIs X-O Powersuits equipped with jetpacks being deployed thru the bomb-bay doors on a unknown aircraft. would have loved to see that in a new C&C FPS game that is set between tiberium dawn and tibreium sun
Maybe the ox just cant lift the titan, mammoth, juggernaut, rig and harvester due to them being awkward to carry and/or unload or not designed to be carried while the mcv was designed to be moved by ox to help in the mobile part of the mcv's name while gdi didnt see a use for having the others be able to be moved by the ox, for me this makes sense due to the titan and juggernaut being large two legged mechs, the harvester isnt really needed to be moved by a ox due to it refineries not being to far from tiberium fields, the rig idk probably just not designed or awkard to carry but this js me trying to give a reason for them not to be carried and im sorry if this is a mess of a paragraph.
15:09 Strange, I don't remember that Hammerhead troop-transport chopper. Coaxial rotors are very cool, and may be a Russian derivative. But being able to operate in the field for days without refuelling? Nope that's pure magic.
I'm impressed. I wanted to nit pick on the First Tiberian War - my expertise area - but you got what I had in mind plus more. And no, those were not new planes - they were indeed incorrectly modelled. That unnamed plane was another incorrectly modelled F23 Black Widow.
If I'm not mistaken if the hammerhead got a squad of missiles squad , they can be used not only ground but also air. They shoot any air enemies that chasing the hammerheads
I'm going to make a wild assumption - The reason the V-35 had apparent weird weight limits like it could carry a mobile construction base but not a smaller but large tank was not to do with weight, but lack of appropriate mounting points on the vehicle is carried or the V-35 itself. For whatever reason, the mobile construction base had appropriate mounting points which enabled it be carried but certain large vehicles did not.
It could be there would be a special heavy lift variant of the ox transport that would be required to transport heavier vehicles like the mammoth or MCV, but that isn't reflected in the game
At around 5min mark there is a combat between the F-22 and an unknown fighter jet. I always thought and still do that it was not the Brotherhood's Raptor but the GDI's. The author of this video bases it's assumption on the next appearance of this mysterious fighter in the view of the Nod's SAM site being shot down by it, but if you look closely, the first mystery aircraft is quite different from the one shot down by the SAM. So...it doesn't necesserily mean that the first one is the GDI's fighter, and it seems that the second one is completely different aircraft.
The OX could lift heavy vehicles, just not in Field conditions, it took a lot of time and expert labor to prep them for transport plus specialist equipment only available in more permanent facilities.
Fun Fact. Both dropship and Kodiak are in fact Orcas. Full name of dropship is Orca Dropship. And Kodiak was a name of most known OCV - Orca Command Vehicle.
i wouldn’t call the Hammerhead a NOTAR. NOTAR is usually referring to the helicopters that use engines (to push air) to counteract the rotor forces. Dual Rotor is usually what’s used to refer to helicopters with 2 sets of blades/rotors
(Addressing 6:23 comment on GDI utilizing Mammoths because Russia was part of GDI) In real life lore, Mammoth Tanks were NATO. Russia's irl tank philosophy is to go light - nothing above 55 tons. Whereas irl NATO tanks go heavy and armored - Abrams, Leopards, etc. It was only in C&C that this system is upside down. In C&C, Russia still has her T-80s and the West produces lighter versions of Abrams - something like the Japanese Type 90. Then in C&C, Russia goes all the way and has Mammoths.
To be fair to the in-game representation of the A-10. Real world A-10s get most of their tank kills through missiles anyway, rarely using their guns. The guns could barely get a penetration on the top armor of a M48 Patton tank from the 1950s anyway.
At the risk of sounding like a Nod follower the Firehawk is an example of GDI’s decadence the craft requires an AI to work and constant maintenance but they’re not willing to scrap it.
You know when I was younger I thought it was weird that GDI didn't have any jets or anything in Tiberian Sun, but we see all the time that ion storms will knock aircraft right out of the sky so risking expensive jets making long missions when an ion storm could pop up at any time isn't smart. Helicopters make sense as they'd have an easier time taking off and setting down at a moment's notice.
Hello! It was a perfect video about the gdi s Air force. One thing i do not understand is that the gdi had space ship basically. Why they are not established ani base in the Moon or Mars?
I wouldn't say that GDI's air forces surpassed Nod's during any way past the First Tiberium War. I mean, Nod start using Scrin and plasma technology pretty quickly. And the drop-ship is pretty clearly based on Orca technology IMO.
the only Nod aircraft using scrin tech was the Banshee, which was a limited prototype. After that it was back to older designs. GDI maintained a large fleet of fighters and bombers throughout all 4 conflicts.
@@teatanks6481 The Harpy was specifically designed to catch up to the Orca, but I'll agree that Nod was behind on the bomber side during the Second Tib War. But by the third war, there seems to be very little between GDI and Nod in air power. Not sure what this 4th war you speak of is. Every time I try to think what it is you might be talking about I begin to pass out...
@@xxnoxx-xp5bl GDI had what can only be described as air dominance in TW3, having the only fighter jet between the two factions. Also tiberian twilight exists and I mention it specifically to make petty childish people mald
@@teatanks6481 While Nod was employing stealth aircraft giving them parity in a different way. Awe look at you throwing out the slang. I didn't expect a little joke to trigger you so much... Poor dear.
To clarify what I said about the V-35s being un-armed at the 10:24 mark. I was specifically speaking about the aircraft itself. However, if you garrison infantry units in an APC and then have the Ox pick up that APC, then the units inside it will fire down on enemies below them. I wasn't sure if this was an intentional gameplay feature or if it's some kind of glitch; so I ended up leaving it out of the script.
Also, as others have pointed out, the Missile Squads in the Hammerheads could shoot at enemy aircraft.
As Mr. Burns: "Excellent for declassifying this particular file. What about the Kodiak and the orbiting space stations Philadelphia???? Tell us a little about components behind the large mammoth vehicle/transporter. Where does it fit in the video or a separate one for next time???" And where is the dropship launched from exactly??? Anyway, good one again.
Makes me wonder, going back to Generals a bit, if it applies with Missile Defenders inside Granger's Combat Chinooks or with Tank Hunters insider Bunker equipped Helixes as well...
Why you don't mention CNC 4?
@@akmalhafiz8763 We don't talk of *THAT!* here! (loads railgun)
pls land vehicles pls 🥺
Jethild is the man. Explaining GDI air units, completely ignoring the CnC4 as if it never existed.
cnc4?
Wait, since when we have fourth game of CnC?
As it should be
There is no fourth game it does not exist
Wait, why am I talking about something that doesn't exist?
A little detail I found since I love using Hammerheads. They can't fight aircraft directly but put missile squads in em and these infantry will attack enemy air units for ya. In essence, these choppers can be a jack-of-all-trades
Zone raiders also have their own anti air rockets too making them a bit op in hammerheads ☠️
They can, but I've found them not too effective, so it's still not advisable to use them for AtA.
Hammerheads are absolutely hysterical. Pack a few dozen of them with zone troopers and rocket squads/zone raiders and literally insta-gib everything in your path.
I’ve tried all sorts of tricks with Hammerheads. But regardless, they are easy to shoot down with air defense or a hit from an enemy fighter like the Venom or Firehawk
I always loved the in universe utility of the ox transport. Kinda like the pelican from halo. An excellent logistical craft that also gives great mobility to forces its supporting
sadly an ox transport can not get veteran status.
You can use them like the fortified CH47 and Helix in generals.
"Regiment" seemed to be the word of the day when the dev team was working on the Intelligence Database in Kane's Wrath. Check out how many times it was used there.
That aside, fantastic work as always Jethild! Having played this series since childhood, it's a joy to hear a fresh perspective on the lore.
A Regiment is bigger than the army sizes you will see on most maps lol
@@Amadeus8484 Exactly! Someone on the EA dev team likely grabbed a thesaurus and said “Eh, means the same”, when it doesn’t. If they ever make a helicopter big enough to fit a regiment on board, then I’ll gladly follow that description. But a Hammerhead is not that big, and a squad is not a regiment.
@@siriushauserVT If you MUST rationalize it, you could say that individual units on the map represent much bigger ones but either way, a Regiment would have trouble getting into a jumbo jet...
@@Amadeus8484 Well tbf, in some armies a 'regiment' is really a battalion sized unit.
@@TheLastSterling1304 Makes me think of 40K where an Imperial Guard regiment can be 100 dudes or 10 million.
It is sort of handwaved in lore by stating that regiments are kept fighting until they are so depleted they are no longer combat effective, so that regiment with 100 guardsmen started as a much bigger force and these were the last survivors. Said regiments are either merged with other depleted regiments (forming what is referred to as "scratch regiments"), sent back to their world to replenish their numbers, or discharged from service and, depending on their deeds, often being allowed to settle conquered territory.
Of course, they could also be sent for some lifelong R&R on that planet that also exports an unusually large quantity of Servitors. Odd.
That cutscene of that Orca flying through the canyon with the Frank Klepacki song playing was amazing as a kid.
I love how this man does his best to not mention C&C4 at all, bless you and your videos and keep it up
Well despite the fact that it's "official" canon, no true fan of C&C would ever consider it as such. Besides it was originally meant to be an entirely different game. It's just EA that forced it to have a C&C skinsuit.
It's pretty sad because the game called C&C4 *could* have worked as another franchise (and maybe a few more months of work for balancing)
I may not like CnC 4 but GDI did clearly take steps for a possible scrin return. The Kodiaks.
I wasn’t fond of the gameplay style for C&C 4, but taking Tiberium from the Earth was according to the game, the only way to save Earth from another Scrin Invasion. I mean if the force in Tiberium Wars was only lightly armed, there wasn’t a chance of stopping a fleet of Battleships with the resources of one planet and the planet taken over by Tiberium.
15:47 The Hammerhead is using a Flettner Rotor design with counter rotating rotors to counter out the torque.
A Heli with NOTAR system has a conventional single Rotor, the counter-torque is provided by a exhaust nozzle at the end of the tailboom.
Consider that GDI didn't have much issue with A-10 friendly-fire on ground troop, one can presumed that the British didn't contribute much to GDI ground forces.
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That was the A10s fault not the British .
That GDI Supersonic Fighter? Yeah, they went ahead and actually built the Hellreaper, a Soviet era experimental aircraft that was intended to fly incredibly fast at very low altitude and use the shockwave from its passing as a weapon. It was never actually built, since A) Flying that fast, that low would be virtually suicidal for the pilot and B) the effects of this weapon would potentially be considered a war crime, with predictions of it being capable of exploding heads of infantry as it flew over.
The US B-1 can actually do significant damage to infrastructure when flying at Mach 2+ low level. Not its primary weapon by any means but would take out above ground power lines in its path.
@@bbaff8622 Yeah, but it's not flying at Mach-2+ at about 60-feet
@@weldonwin Very true.
Well I would think that the war crime would be civilian collateral damage from such a Sonic boom! A Sonic boom can get really powerful. I could see civilian collateral damage happening from that.
I think the GDI also might’ve used the Grumman F-14 Tomcats during the First Tib War since there was one scene in the intro where GDI troops were onboarding a Black Hawk on an aircraft carrier and there’s some shapes of aircraft that looks like an F-14.
I love using Firehawks in Tiberium Wars by far my favorite aircraft
Me too but in regular tib wars when they are going after scrin ships especially they friendly fire sooooooo much and kill each other or themselves with splash damage thankfully kanes wrath fixed thay
@@Nr15121 Same thing in Generals, the Raptor and the MiGs in large numbers would often shoot down themselves by their own missiles
@@mkvector9539 I never had the issue with raptors migs and the napalm/nukes good lord if a supply plane flies over your base and they try to shoot it down your own base is getting blown up not to mention your jets
I forgot about Orcas in Tiberium Wars because of Firehawks.
NGL,
this is and has been my favorite UA-cam content ever since you started
Thanks for this and I'm looking forward for more video about GDI and other C&C Tiberium War.
Long time C&C fan here.
Since i got an original Red Alert copy as a birthday pressent in 1997 i was hooked.
My old now stand alone win7 pc is just for playing C&C games to this day.
Nothing more fun than after a stress week just play C&C to relax.
Honestly The Kodiak Is One Of My Favorite RTS Units. I Have A Bit Of A Soft Spot For The Flying Fortress.
Me too!
Where is the GDI Dropship launched from? Does anyone know?
@@LINJ638 My headcanon was always the Philadephia or a similar supporting satellite given GDI's push for putting their military assets in orbit at the time and the Dropship coming out of high altitude in game. They dont seem to be able to alone return to high altitude (No stratofighter upgrades yet 😂) since they leave the map at low altitude.
But I don't know of any source to corroborate that.
@@squishymusic9723 Well, Jethild was saying that it wasn't launched from space from the main one that is Philadelphia or other supporting network of space station to the Dropship Center on the ground to his presumption. Weird. Note the huge high gain antenna in the cut content. How do they return to high altitude.
@@LINJ638 Again conjecture/head canon but I would assume additional thrusters - boosters - could be added to allow them to leave. Another idea is that without the cargo container, since it can detach entirely, they would then be able to leave atmosphere.
When I was a kid playing these games I would make up story's like this lol. It is vary nice to see them come to life more with you and no strings thank you.
Whoop whoop another excuse to watch all the command and conquer lore back to back 🙌🙌☺️
15:20 this implies that the Hammerhead is a descendant of the Mi-24 Hind
If I remember correctly Red Alert had the Mi-24
That's what I think too, since it is the most well known transport/gunship IRL
Also the Firehawk resembles the Russian Su-47 in real life with the wing and body shape.
It's funny because while the Ox refuses to carry the Mammoth Tank due to its sheer size, in RA3, Twinblades have no problems in airlifting Apocalypse Tanks...
Even in Tiberian Sun, the Orca Carryalls lifted Mammoth Mark II’s around, and Manmoth Mk. II is even bigger than a Mammoth Tank or an Apocalypse Tank
RA3 was considerably looser with its representation of physics
I will say in Tib 3 Nod’s Venom craft are the best overall cheap/unlimited ammo and can attack air and ground. Also can extend the range of the beam cannons. Plus Specter aircraft Nods Air Force is pretty good.
Another high-quality material, about GDI nonetheless. You made me a really happy man Jethild. Thanks! 👍
Also: *_Orca is the King of all aircrafts._*
*Laughs in Venom
Ox’s can’t lift Harvesters due to the Tiberium being too dangerous to fly around a battlefield.
They can’t lift Rigs due to their intricate machinery.
They can’t lift Mammoths because… girth? I guess.
Edit: I was in a rush when I wrote this so I'll elaborate a little.
The Harvesters will likely either have a full cargo hold or traces of Tiberium inside them. In either case if they get shot down, that's more Tiberium contamination - potentially over a Yellow or even Blue Zone. For a full hold, that would also be too heavy and potentially unstable to carry - since Tiberium is explosive, it might be volatile in the state it's harvested in until it's refined.
The Rigs are as stated by a comment to be a utility vehicle so aren't likely to be vital for aerial transport, but that would have it's uses. I think it's down more to the fact that the Rig's build itself is little more than "cockpit". It's literally a glass box with metal bits on the bottom - put simply there's nowhere to grab it without potentially tearing off the head, which we know extends when deployed. It'd be like picking up a jar by the lid.
As for Mammoths their sheer weight would definitely preclude the Ox transports from carrying them - on top of that, if ONE transport could carry one, it would take ONE lucky Rocket Militant to destroy a very powerful and very expensive GDI vehicle unit, alongside it's presumably highly-trained crew. Plus if it did get shot down, it's gonna land on *something*. And that *something* won't fare well. Also, it's likely that even if one Ox transport could lift it, it'd be far too heavy to move fast enough to evade attacks or keep up with it's escorts and other transports.
The MCV can be lifted in a "cutscene" but as you can see it clips to all Hell inside the Ox, so it's very definitely been jury-rigged for the dramatic entrance. As for actual reasons, I again imagine it's far too heavy to lift safely and efficiently. That, and dropping a 3,500+ credit mobile firebase because the transport's engine failed would probably cause a little uproar. Engineers aren't cheap either.
The Titan Mark II is as mentioned probably too heavy and unwieldy to carry via Ox, and likely the Steel Talons know how vulnerable they are to being shot down in flight, so forbid it. Their funds are stretched as-is.
And the Juggernaut/Behemoth are simply way too heavy, expensive and unwieldy to lift. See again my "every crash is a landing" and "lift a jar by the lid" analogies.
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Or maybe lack of usable mounting points the rigs aren’t shaped right harvesters aren’t either and mammoths are just plain huge
I agree that the Harvesters seem too hazardous to carry. Even empty there will be traces of tiberium inside if its been used. The last thing GDI wants is a harvester dropping somewhere and starting a new patch.
Rig is not a combat vehicle since its listed function is to secure territory once its been cleared. No need to have it air transportable since its not going to be rushed into combat. Sort of like a supply truck.
I won’t try to do any maths on it but even if GDI has some new armour material that is light the sheer size of that thing slung bellow one transport would be a pig to fly with. I can only think of two ways to make that thing is fly.
One the ground crew wire it up to a few transports like a Jaeger from Pacific Rim and fly in some tight formation to carry it. One Rocket and you lose all the transports plus a Mammoth. Or you can try my crazy plan to make the MCV fly bellow.
If you want to make an MCV airdropable if if you strip everything non essential to flight from that V-35 and that the MCV wouldn't be able to fabricate on site. I’m talking the what they did to those B-25’s during the Doolittle Raid. Pull any limiter from the engine for more power at the cost of fuel consumption. Fit the both with some JATO or RATO boosters to help with take-off.
Once both are as light as possible have the MCV drive to a runway facing away from the destination. Have its upper crane slide forwards as far as it can without dropping the body. That gets you a some what flat space on top and the somewhat rounded end facing the direction of travel. Drain any fuel from the MCV to cut more weight.
Now to fill the V-35 with just enough fuel to hover and land on top of the MCV. Weld on some attachment points and clamp it. Give the V-35 enough fuel for a rolling take off and no more. Have the MCV put its wheels into neutral and pray.
The V-35 has to reach a high enough speed it can overcome the MCV’s mass and drag to the point it can take off. If it can go fast enough and just lift off it can use the ground effect to pull it off. You need to keep performing mid air refuelling the whole way since its going to burn fuel.
Once its near the drop point aim for a highway or large flat area. Let the MCV’s wheels make contact and have them signal to release. Pop the clamps the moment you hear its down and then RTB. Once you land write off the V-35. I don’t know what process GDI uses to say don’t use it but I’m saying don’t use it. Ever.
This whole plan relies on every trick I can think of to pull it off. But it still poses a massive risk to both transport and MCV. Probably why no one wants to do it in universe. Gameplay wise having the MCV do some crazy airdrop would be cool but making the animation for one mission would be a waste.
At the end of the day the Ox has no reason beyond gameplay to be worse than the Orca Carryall. SO I just headcanon that it actually can do all of that.
@@igncom1 I still like the idea of some ground crew being told they need to make an MCV fly for the next mission. Nothing gets the enlisted going like a good challenge.
@@tiber6942 nothing hurts brotherhood moral more than watching a mammoth MK.II fly across the battlefield.
i really liked firehawk but this unit require a bit micro-ing when i played back then. if you're not careful in dog fight, firehawk missile explosion can damage themself, this is problematic when you trying to hit devastator since firehawk try being cool by flying through devastator and it's missile explosion. perhaps it's patched already
I love your videos as much as I love Command and Conquer(and RTS in general). And I have an idea for a video: could you make a video explaining or summarizing the three Tiberium Wars? Like, a three-part video or something like that. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for making these man. It's awesome as always.
And I really hope that we can get another RTS resurgence at some point.
Yeah, a C&C 4 would be nice.
@@sixthcairn i don't know if you're serious. Or if this is a joke about how everyone denies the existance of cnc 4.
But yes, only if it was made by a different person.
@@aljoshilagan3204 Honestly at this point I'd settle for a Deserts of Kharak-style title made by Blackbird, or a grand strategy title made by Paradox, nearly any developer except for EA.😭
@@sixthcairn tempest rising looks very promising.
I still prefer NOD aircraft, Venom is fast, detects invisible targets, can shoot ground and air targets and has laser!
Vertigo is powerful stealth bomber and it looks sleek and badass
I just wished they dropped 2 bombs instead of one
Nothing like a new Jethild video. great content. I apreciate your work. Thanks.
Good Work on Gdi Air Force
Your lore vids are so good! Keep it up!
That “unknown fighter” at 4:50 I believe was the SU 47 Berkut stealth fighter normally seen in the Russian Air Force or a modified variant.
I think the Firehawk more closely resembles the SU-47 Berkut.
It's a YF-23 the failed competitor to the F22. The Berkut has backwards swept wings and looks nothing like it
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@Jethild 9:20 Imagination and speculation: in order to be able to lift an MCV V-35 could receive a special modification, unavailable to a field commander under normal circumstances.
3:20 It's just weird seeing an A-10 without the BRRT or the Hellfires.
I got into the series only during the C&C 3 Tiberium Wars era so seeing how gradually the two sides began as basically 21st century militaries and reached what I knew is very interesting.
I always loved doing the Engi Rush in the C&C game's as taking control of the enemy base was considered a win condition
5:45
It's body is pretty much completely C5 but the wings are C130. You can tell not only by the propellors but also by how thin and flat they are compared to the more chunky and strongly shaped wings on the C5.
You actually can't physically put such thin and flat wings on a plane that big. A heavy planes demands thicker wings to bear the load and flatter wings produce less lift so demand a higher angle of attack but do grant more maneuverability and less drag which is why you often see them on fighter planes. The C130 is meant to operate from forward air bases and to possibly dodge AA fire or use it's flares to distract them before escaping.
I love that you didn't include the 4th game, I love you for respecting the ACCEPTED cannon.
Another good video. I'm waiting for GDI navy one, that would be interesting.
This channel is what I was looking for it's all so nice understanding every vechile story and technology
15:40 It's funny how you can clearly see the two blocks for launching unguided missiles (two cone-shaped things with holes around the tip) under the wings of Hammerhead, next to the two pairs of machine guns, and this helicopter in the game is only capable of firing machine guns and that's it
that unknown fighter in the first war almost looks like a YF-23
YF-23? Is that from Ace Combat?
@@BaxterAndLunala lol google it
09:20 that MCV told me it only has a wide structure but " isn't heavy or so " ^^
Jethild amazing work as always my good man.
Amazing work jethild!
Hope that he'll also do that for GDI's and Nod's armoured forces (tanks) and infantry👌
Didn't he already do the armor vehicles?
Another awesome vid Jethlid!
I was just about to suggest this
New canon idea:
GDI Aerial/space fairing warships-
1.Havoc-Class Frigate.
2.McNeill-Class Cruiser.
3.Shepard-Class Battlecruiser.
Thank you for the video! Waiting the same about Nod air force!
I never did like the change to most aircraft to make the ones with bullets have unlimited ammo like the hammerhead and venom. I'm fine with warships like the Scrin use or Soviet Kirovs having unlimited ammo, but otherwise you end up with swarms of fast destroy-all aircraft like hammerheads, venoms, or twinblades swarming about like mutalisks from starcraft.
Just not for me, I much prefer my aircraft to be very different to other unit types like tanks and infantry.
Strategic placed lightly armoured slingshots often made minced meat of airthreats.
They also have unlimited ammo like most of the units in the C&C universe.
Later on only non rotary air units (Orca, Firehawk, Vertigo, Mig, F117, Raptor and Aurora etc.etc. ) had return to base to rearm.
The Apache / Helix in C&C generals also had unlimited ammo.
@@obelic71 yeah but it was never really a mechanic that really jelled with me. Aircraft with ammo, barring the slow airships, always felt like a more enjoyable difference with ground units.
Hammerhead is just Soviet Twinblade
Slingshot is just bullfrog
The TwinFrog meta is real
@@tunguska2370 Soviet twinblade is more like a Helix. They both can transport vehicels.
He is back at it !!
Think the issue with the Ox being able to airlift a ConYard but not a Mammoth or Titan or anything else is more because of the mass - i.e. the ConYard, unlike frontline units, doesn't really have that much armor and may not be as heavy.
Excelent videos, some corrections 10:25 Firehawk drop bombs, not air to ground missiles, also if a hammerhead contains a Rocket Squad or Zone Raider squad it can attack aircraft and even destroy venoms in one to one battles.
This video definitely helped me learn how to make a better GDI & Nod Deck on wargame red dragon
Good stuff as always
I love your videos dude.
Awesome videoooo
Thank you for reigniting my interest in CnC.
I love how the pretty large writing error of an entire regiment, upon hearing it I just thought "They suddenly have miniturized scrin portals in there?"
Oh, a new coverage.
I'd dig in.
The unidentified fighter at 4:50 is a YF-23
Love all the cnc videos from jethild, there's so much lore to study
A regiment is usually 100s of troops. A brigade is traditionally 1000+ troops.
But your point is still completely valid regarding the Hammerhead.
5:14
That's not a raptor. That's a YF-23 Grey Ghost/Black Widow. The engines' exhaust ports are slits.
Happens to be my favorite fighter plane in the world.
It is weird I always imagined the Ox would be a good soft cookie shape, they just look edible and delicious.
there is concept art of GDIs X-O Powersuits equipped with jetpacks being deployed thru the bomb-bay doors on a unknown aircraft. would have loved to see that in a new C&C FPS game that is set between tiberium dawn and tibreium sun
Maybe the ox just cant lift the titan, mammoth, juggernaut, rig and harvester due to them being awkward to carry and/or unload or not designed to be carried while the mcv was designed to be moved by ox to help in the mobile part of the mcv's name while gdi didnt see a use for having the others be able to be moved by the ox, for me this makes sense due to the titan and juggernaut being large two legged mechs, the harvester isnt really needed to be moved by a ox due to it refineries not being to far from tiberium fields, the rig idk probably just not designed or awkard to carry but this js me trying to give a reason for them not to be carried and im sorry if this is a mess of a paragraph.
15:09 Strange, I don't remember that Hammerhead troop-transport chopper. Coaxial rotors are very cool, and may be a Russian derivative. But being able to operate in the field for days without refuelling? Nope that's pure magic.
Oh boy i cant wait for the nod air force video
Thanks for lore video my man 👨 ❤
Okay
As i remember if you play Alexandria on easy mode you will get a heroic Mammoth carried by an OX.
I'm impressed. I wanted to nit pick on the First Tiberian War - my expertise area - but you got what I had in mind plus more. And no, those were not new planes - they were indeed incorrectly modelled. That unnamed plane was another incorrectly modelled F23 Black Widow.
If I'm not mistaken if the hammerhead got a squad of missiles squad , they can be used not only ground but also air. They shoot any air enemies that chasing the hammerheads
6:25
The most numorous Soviet plane and the most numorous active fighter plane in the world is not a Mig but a Sukhoi plane. The Sokhai 27 flanker.
I hope we get to see videos on GDI and NOD infantry sometime
I'm going to make a wild assumption - The reason the V-35 had apparent weird weight limits like it could carry a mobile construction base but not a smaller but large tank was not to do with weight, but lack of appropriate mounting points on the vehicle is carried or the V-35 itself. For whatever reason, the mobile construction base had appropriate mounting points which enabled it be carried but certain large vehicles did not.
It could be there would be a special heavy lift variant of the ox transport that would be required to transport heavier vehicles like the mammoth or MCV, but that isn't reflected in the game
Hey Can you make a video about infantry? Like a frew curiosities, database entries and such? For GDI, NOD and the Forgotten?
At around 5min mark there is a combat between the F-22 and an unknown fighter jet. I always thought and still do that it was not the Brotherhood's Raptor but the GDI's. The author of this video bases it's assumption on the next appearance of this mysterious fighter in the view of the Nod's SAM site being shot down by it, but if you look closely, the first mystery aircraft is quite different from the one shot down by the SAM. So...it doesn't necesserily mean that the first one is the GDI's fighter, and it seems that the second one is completely different aircraft.
The OX could lift heavy vehicles, just not in Field conditions, it took a lot of time and expert labor to prep them for transport plus specialist equipment only available in more permanent facilities.
Fun Fact. Both dropship and Kodiak are in fact Orcas.
Full name of dropship is Orca Dropship.
And Kodiak was a name of most known OCV - Orca Command Vehicle.
i wouldn’t call the Hammerhead a NOTAR. NOTAR is usually referring to the helicopters that use engines (to push air) to counteract the rotor forces.
Dual Rotor is usually what’s used to refer to helicopters with 2 sets of blades/rotors
(Addressing 6:23 comment on GDI utilizing Mammoths because Russia was part of GDI)
In real life lore, Mammoth Tanks were NATO. Russia's irl tank philosophy is to go light - nothing above 55 tons. Whereas irl NATO tanks go heavy and armored - Abrams, Leopards, etc. It was only in C&C that this system is upside down. In C&C, Russia still has her T-80s and the West produces lighter versions of Abrams - something like the Japanese Type 90. Then in C&C, Russia goes all the way and has Mammoths.
How would you write the story of C&C if all three games series together? If you don't understand let me know!
To be fair to the in-game representation of the A-10. Real world A-10s get most of their tank kills through missiles anyway, rarely using their guns. The guns could barely get a penetration on the top armor of a M48 Patton tank from the 1950s anyway.
At the risk of sounding like a Nod follower the Firehawk is an example of GDI’s decadence the craft requires an AI to work and constant maintenance but they’re not willing to scrap it.
the unknown TW1 GDI aircraft is the YF-23, the rival design to the F-22
You missed out F14s as shown on carrier deck in the opening cut scene
4:44 crashing into a Mosque not Village !
5:15 looks like yf23 and blend of the yf19.
Thanks for lore video my man 👨 thanks bro 😎
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You know when I was younger I thought it was weird that GDI didn't have any jets or anything in Tiberian Sun, but we see all the time that ion storms will knock aircraft right out of the sky so risking expensive jets making long missions when an ion storm could pop up at any time isn't smart. Helicopters make sense as they'd have an easier time taking off and setting down at a moment's notice.
Hello! It was a perfect video about the gdi s Air force. One thing i do not understand is that the gdi had space ship basically. Why they are not established ani base in the Moon or Mars?
Good stuff!
Could you consider sending the hunter killer drone in Tib Sun to be an aircraft?
I wouldn't say that GDI's air forces surpassed Nod's during any way past the First Tiberium War. I mean, Nod start using Scrin and plasma technology pretty quickly.
And the drop-ship is pretty clearly based on Orca technology IMO.
the only Nod aircraft using scrin tech was the Banshee, which was a limited prototype. After that it was back to older designs. GDI maintained a large fleet of fighters and bombers throughout all 4 conflicts.
@@teatanks6481 The Harpy was specifically designed to catch up to the Orca, but I'll agree that Nod was behind on the bomber side during the Second Tib War. But by the third war, there seems to be very little between GDI and Nod in air power.
Not sure what this 4th war you speak of is. Every time I try to think what it is you might be talking about I begin to pass out...
@@xxnoxx-xp5bl GDI had what can only be described as air dominance in TW3, having the only fighter jet between the two factions.
Also tiberian twilight exists and I mention it specifically to make petty childish people mald
@@teatanks6481 While Nod was employing stealth aircraft giving them parity in a different way.
Awe look at you throwing out the slang. I didn't expect a little joke to trigger you so much... Poor dear.
Almost makes me want to play the missions since I never seen some of this stuff in multiplayer. lol.
Nice
Anyone know when the next video on Space based vehicles such as the Kodiak is ever going to released????