It should be noted that while the Harpy wasn't cloaked via a stealth generator, the helicopter was invisible to radar and thus didn't show up on a commander's minimap.
As it should be. What you see as a commander is, after all, only what your units can see (at least with fog of war turned on) Part of me likes the idea of imperfect info/no info being given to the player that isn't explicitly earned, a little like CoH2 or even to the extent of Wargame where even spottong a unit doesn't mean you can tell what *exactly* it is, but it's outside the genre for c&c... But you can speculate on a dead franchise. Rip
@@ismaelsantos5378 Oh, ABSOLUTELLY. People talk crap about Devastators and their long construction time, but they absolutely *demolish* any infantry, ground vehicles and even anti-air structures, since they easily outrange them all. Team them up with a few PACs and their healing Ion Storms, also Stormriders for scouting, and Scrin Air Force are almost unrivaled. Still, a mass of laser capacitated Venoms are a real challenge, *specially with how easy and fast it is to mass them.*
@@MrDibara Usually the problem of Devastators and PACs is not the construction time, but the resources needed to build them. 2 GraviStabs can easily make a broken fleet in minutes, but ye need to have enough Tib for it. I usually do the scouting with disposable buzzers or by a land army of Walkers and Seekers who are there mostly to give vision and to keep the enemy entertained while the fleet does the wrecking.
I always wonder how the technology of the factions would have progressed after the third Tiberium War. Such a shame there never was a fourth game. I am sure EA wouldn't have totally ruined that by attempting something stupid like completely changing the gameplay fundamentals. No, probably for the best that the games ended with Kane's Wrath.
I always envisioned a galactic war between GDI that was now defending a whole fledgeling Earth space nation (Galactic Defense Initiative lol), a much more bigger, sinister and in touch with its ancient and alien influences Nod, scouring the galaxy for alien tech in a bid for ideal human evolution, and Scrin at their full power battling the two on equal basis. Space and land battles, planetary control, Empire at War, but even better and being C&C, basically.
You know what I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and say it wouldn't necessarilly be the radical change in gameplay that would ruin a hypothetical 4th game that certainly has never happened rather than being (not that it would, perish the though) a botched glorified cellphone game conversion with a cruel lack of polish and balacing and even more botched campaign.
What strikes me is that in an army of fanatics and psychopaths the Brotherhoods air force sound more restrained and professional than you would expect, you would at least think the Vertigo pilot would yell "In the name of Kane" when dropping the payload but no.
Well, given how fucking dangerous aerodynamics are and how precise you need to be, I think it stands to reason that even the fanatical Brotherhood of Nod would be wise enough to employ its more focused and self-controlling personnel to operate its Air Force. Lunacy and emotion can be left to the infantry.
@@noty2673 They *were* better and not psychotic back in Tiberian Sun. That was their main strength besides guerrila tactics, defense and stealth, Nod's infantry used to be better and more specialized than GDI's. By the Third Tiberium War, however, Nod's infantry seems like a bootleg GLA from Generals. T__T If it wasn't for the Shadow Teams and Black Hand, I would've thought Nod's infantry was made of nothing but ill-equipped Militants and self exploding Fanatics.
Venoms are some of the coolest aircraft in any RTS ever. The fact that they hit both air and ground targets, and could trick enemy radar with larger signatures was just so cool to me
Still waiting for Tib War 4. But I'm sure The Brotherhood will come up with some new gizmos for their Air Force. Stealth Gunships maybe? So many options. Anyway, thank you Jethild for another documentary from Tiberium universe!
Upgrade it with a nice Laser Capacitor and when you couple that with its very high speed, its ease of production (cheap and easy to mass) and its versatility to engage ground AND air units, the Venom aircraft in my opinion was the king of the skies during the Third Tiberium War. At least until the Scrin pulled up, but even then, nothing short of a couple of PACs with Ion Storms activated would be enough to stop a mass of Venoms. _And even then, it might not be enough!_ *Also, Stormrider who? Venom mass for the win, ya four limited edition mantas!*
@@MrDibara Enough venom's in the sky delete PAC's before they could set up their Ion storms. A Nod player with strong economy could pump out Venom's faster than a Slingshots blow them out of the sky. Shit was real yo.
As someone who was too young to have played Dawn, I find it fascinating how _modern_ the weapons used in the First Tiberium War were. Especially considering that Yuri's Revenge was my favorite RTS, and that's a far more futuristic setting.
Pretty interesting that during NOD's initial years after revealing itself globally, a lot of it's Military consists of American hardware, even though the U.S. was one of G.D.I.'s major backers.
Like Jethild said, Nod had funding from a ton of private corporations throughout the world. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of them were from the U.S. as well. Frankly, it's almost a pity how their Air Force took a nosedive after the first Tiberium War. The Banshee aside, Nod's aircrafts were very outclassed by GDI's own. At least they made a comeback during the Third Tiberium War! *Kane bless them Venoms and their Laser Capacitors!* 😁
@@MrDibara In "Lord of War" movie the main character explains to an interpol agent that the US sells more military hardware in a day than he does in a whole year and often uses independent weapon sellers/traffikers like him as a middle man to sell to unsavory factions without having the US fed stamp of approval on the goods. So Nod getting a lot of US equipment is kind of expected considering they have the funding to wage war on a global scale.
Thing is, Nod wasn't just a rinky-dink stereotypical terrorist group operating out of the former USSR, Middle East and Africa. They were a genuine "big tent" hydra organization that had people from multiple demographics from child soldiers in Central Africa to deep state bureaucrats within the US MIC.
The weird thing is that the manual for C&C in 1995 says that the plane that did all of Nod’s lifting for the airfield was an Antonov IIRC No idea if that’s been ret-conned but it’s an odd minor detail
Nod stuck true to its name as a Brotherhood by having specific individuals in power at the right place and time to carry out its goals. All of which loyal to Kane. Of course, it helped that there always individuals willing to go through the extra mile for money.
One thing you may miss to mention is that Sakura appears to have acquired another, or repaired the Comanche, since she's seen using it again on the prison break mission to cover for Havoc.
The Venom always stuck out to me, I loved how they handled in-game, like better Harpies, but how they reminded me of the Orcas from the first war in design. They were like nod-made Orcas, which fits with Nod's tendency to acquire and modify various existing weapon systems to fit their combat doctrine; A big part of Tiberian Sun for me was stopping nod from making "Sonic Tanks" with the stolen Disruptor crystals, and I wondered what their version would look like if they succeeded in that scenario.
You know in a potential good follow up to Tiberium Wars, I would love to see the different ways GDI and Nod's air forces would change after their encounters with the Scrin, both in terms of new tech they integrate and different tactics to counter a possible second invasion. I have to imagine GDI would build bigger more heavily armed aircraft to match the threat like a resurrected Kodiak with rail gun turrets and continuing their use of high speed interceptors like an evolved Firehawk. Nod I think would go more what they always do, heavier stealth units and bleeding edge advanced fighter aircraft, probably even resurrecting and improving the Banshees. Heavenly only knows what terrors from the sky the Scrin's main invasion force could bring to bear in a fight, what could have been.
I had similar thoughts. I would think that after the Scrin invasion GDI would setup some kind of space force. They probably already had one but acting in more of a support role for ground forces. Would of been cool to have them as a 3rd sub-faction alongside the Steel Talons and ZOCOM. Having access to the Scrin tower, I do think Nod would have been able to substantially improve their military, becoming more advanced than GDI's but not as large. So they would still stick to their mobile hit and run style of combat.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binged all the C&C content and loved it. The first C&C game was the first RTS I ever played and I have loved the story and world as I've played the rest of the games. I even ran a D&D game heavily inspired by C&C that was a ton of fun. I'm a big fan of lore videos and I'm so glad that you've dedicated so many videos to this universe. Thank you and keep it up!
The Orcas and Firehawks are awesome, but the Venoms and Vertigos are still effective and useful. I think these 2 aircraft are iconic too and are among my favorites.
@@ForTheBrotherhood Or mass a few Raider Buggies. *Seriously, with Laser Capacitors, a mass of Venoms can take on **_anything._* Just bring in Buggies (another versatile motherfucker) to help deal with anti-air infantry and enemy aircraft and you're good. 👍
I miss those "old" days so much. Me and my friends did organise LAN-Partys in Switzerland for 200-250 people basically every year. So much fun and enjoyment and i wasn't constantly in pain back then, just enjoying the life...
I've been a subscriber since before you hit 500 and I still love that C&C4 is never mentioned. I appreciate it too as a long time C&C fan that we simply do not speak of that last travesty. Also great video as always, the quality has only gone up since you started!
I stumbled upon this channel by sheer luck, and I am very much enjoying your videos. I grew up with CnC, and am a fan of the Soviet and NOD factions. Keep doing what you do, bro.
I always found it odd, but a cool limitation of the Tib Sun engine and or it's sprites that the Harpies had their rotors visibly missing when in game. After C&C3 they reminded me of Prototype Venom's in a way because of it.
I wish we could have seen the Nod built Scrin style ship in action. What kind of weapons it had etc. Still the Banshee is my pic for best looking NOD craft.
As someone who hasn’t touched a CnC game since Red Alert 2 and who just got the massive anniversary remastered edition with the toys and the patches, your content is awesome, love getting back into the lore.
LET'S GO, NEW VIDEO!!! ✊ [Comment suceptible to edition after watching the video] EDIT: _Yup!_ It's amazing how Nod's Air Force started out almost as strong as GDI's, took a heavy nosedive on the Second Tiberium War save for the Banshee, but then emerged back into prominence during the Third one. In fact, due to the powerful versatility and ease of manufacture of the Venom aircraft, I'd even go as far as to say that Nod were THE dominant Air Force during the Third Tiberium War! _Well... at least they _*_were,_*_ until the Scrin came into play._ (those fucking PACs and their artificial Ion Storms, coupled with them long range Devastators...!)
While I found the beam cannon using a mirror on the venom as a neat little function to give the beam cannon more range, you have to basically string venoms into a potentially exposed position just to attack one structure at a time. If I wanted some long range punishment I either go for vertigo’s, or spectres.
Since Cnc3 was my introduction to the serie your video helped greatly to learn more about the lore that i feel in love with do you plan to cover the red alert games in the future ?
@@louievelayo4100 Would have been nice if the support towers/airfields could actually build the aircraft so long as you had the main tower/AF built, could easily be done in a mod by adding the units to the production Q of the support structures but also requiring the main building for production.
Wish Command and Conquer could get a TV show,Movie or Animated Series, and Command and Conquer fans like no strings prd and jethild as well as those devs who worked on earlier CNC basically petroglyph, I want more lore for CNC haha.
my head canon for the mystery "alien" ship is that gdi carved it to bits as best they could and shipped it off to a variety of research centres, nod moles ensuring at least some of it fell in nod hands from the get go. with the pieces changing hands as a variety of commanders executd a variety of plans. both sides eventually learning everything they could from it, including that it was a man made craft based on an alien design, as well as how to make more of them, or at the least ships like it. none of them actually doing so because they would need full control ovre the planet
I'm 34 and played all these games as they came out and I try to replay them every couple of years. Until just now I never picked up that the alien ship was made by Kane. How did I miss that all these years?!
Recently invested more time looking to the Nod "f22" and I cannot avoid how its proportions makes it almost closer to a MIG, Its a bit between the wings and the canopy style and size/location in the body makes me think if they just tunned a couple detailes between this and the MIG 29 for red alert
@@Jethild I had a manual that does mention it as an "Antonov AN-22", but it's a translation so it's even more unreliable a source (C&C Gold for Windows, French translation). I also remember such a mention on some C&C forums, where the consensus was essentially "The manual says that, but the in-game model says otherwise, so the manual is wrong."
Ah venoms... buddys favorite unit that still this day causes ptsd specially in large airwings of 60 or so. And when you finally manage to put them down after half of your has disappeared...then you hear "Alright next is turn of groups 2 and 3 come to say hi"...
Awesome video. I really like watching your content, as it is very informative about the lore. By the way, what is you favourite c&c game? Mine is tiberian sun/firestorm.
I would say in terms of story/lore Tiberian Sun + Firestorm expansion is my favorite. For gameplay it's probably Kane's Wrath, though I would put the Zero Hour expansion to Generals as a close second because Generals Challenge is one of my favorite game modes in any game. To this day I'm surprised that game mode wasn't adopted in other RTSs. RA3 had Commanders Challenge, but IMO it wasn't as fun since it just reused skirmish maps.
Can't wait for Jethild becoming owerful enough that EA submits to him and let's him have the C&C name then he can write its reality the way he wants and he can give us a 4th game made with love
Have you ever considered using footage from Command and Conquer Renegade X? It is a fan made remake of Renegade and has some cool takes on some of the vehicles.
It's probably down to game balance but I never did like how in 3 the non-airship aircraft didn't need to reload, and how venoms didn't take up a landing space like stormriders. I much preferred them as strong but limited tactical tools from Dawn and TS, and the Orca and bombers worked just fine like that. Also the Harpy might be said to have only got a couple machine guns, but damn if they don't do a better anti-tank job then TS Orca Fighters do.
Had a special idea for a Nod Air Carrier inspired by twisted insurrection, roughly twice the size of the Kodiak, the Gorgon class carriers were capable of transporting 8 Hornet vtols, 6 Banshee Interceptors, 4 Cobra Strike Fighters, and 2 Wraith Bombers. Three were constructed, but only two saw service, the first was medusa and her sister Stheno, Euryale was destroyed in the dry dock, its sacrifice allowed Stheno to survive and join Medusa in a counter attack and various joint operations across most of Europe and America against GDI.
Hello You forgot an aircraft. In kanes wrath, in the mission were you land on the beach to fight the steel talons for the first time there is an enormous aircraft being used, they have a name and i dont remember it. Love the video, looking forward to if you will feature the big transport ship i mentioned :)
That craft that you're referring to is called the Hovercraft which I go into detail about in my "Nod's Navy" video. If you look closely, the hovercraft is actually moving on top of the water.
First of all, I must thank you, Jethild, for your video series about C&C lore rekindled my interest in that topic. So now, I'm going to run a tabletop roleplay game in that universe somewhat after 2052. I'm not the best writer, but I'm sure I can do better then . Long I wanted to do a campaign that would include Tiberium Wars, but I was lacking of information, plus I'm too much of a Nod player to not yell "PEACE THOUGH POWER" at every opportunity. Thanks to your work, I can have an idea how to put a game without leaning toward Brotherhood all the time. But I like to ask you about two things: 1. Since we have only since we do not have any other game after Kane's Wrath, can you speculate about events that would follow next, after Kane and Legion grow aware of coming Invasion? Do you think there could be a schism in the Brotherhood? Would alliance be possible - if so, after what events? How do you picture GDI government in 2052? 2. Would you like to be featured as a reference or as a cameo? If you get to name a peace of tech (any of your choosing), what would it be and how would you call it?
NOD's aircraft is better than GDI's Venom can kill ground and air targets, is fast and detects stealth Vertigo is invisible, durable, makes lots of damage and has anti-air gun
The Venom is a weak vehicle in durability and damage. Firehawks can wipe out entire squads quickly, and slingshots lay waste to them. I'd say they are a great unit but not the best. Just the easiest to use due to lacking micro demands.
@@patrik9328 AND more numerous! By the time one has constructed *one* Firehawk, you could have two to three Venoms, possibly more if you utilize more Air Towers. And trust me, you upgrade those bad boys with Laser Capacitors and GDI's Firehawks won't have that much of an edge over them. *Specially in fewer numbers.* _(of course, a wise Commander won't allow the enemy the time to try and match their Venoms' numbers)_
@@patrik9328 *Awesome.* I'mma need to download and install that mod after I finish revisiting Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath. Always wanted to see GDI's mechs back (not exactly Steel Talons) as well as more "military oriented" Scrin units. (let's be honest, the ones employed by Foreman-371 are probably dated as hell, like the equipment the GLA uses in C&C Generals)
Because I played one of the earliest versions of Tiberium Dawn, I don't think I ever saw/used the attack chopper that they had. I had thought that made the game somewhat interesting because of the asymmetrical nature of each sides forces despite sharing a couple units. Nod had flame weaponry and stealth tech, while GDI had slightly beefier, more expensive units and aircraft. I was just a kid at the time, so maybe I just didn't play deep enough into the game. . .
Your videos get better and better ,just like No strings prd, you seek emulate the CNC feel, though No Strings wants the tib war 3 feel while you go for tib sun. What's the Soundtrack your using? I wish you'd Link it, this music used in the beginning with the mysterious piano music is awesome, reminds me of plants vs zombies Lol. Nevermind, I forgot you out music used in the description hahaha.
i played Tiberian Twilight years back, it had a lot of cool units for Nod and GDI both, had some weird ones, too. thankfully, aircraft for both factions had only one or two that were weird. that i can remember, anyway. sometimes i wonder... if EA did make another proper Command and Conquer game, what would the aircraft be like?
This guy deserves a medal for still making C&C content
c&c will never end - i circle it - every year again - this year generals and generals zh.... - next year will start CC95 again and so....
🥉
I mean that's all I can bring to the table.
🥇
He can have two.
Jethild be walking in like "Where's my medal?"
For real. Even Stefan (NoStringsPRD) stopped uploading earlier this year
Even when we thought there were no more c&c content he just comes in with more conent
It should be noted that while the Harpy wasn't cloaked via a stealth generator, the helicopter was invisible to radar and thus didn't show up on a commander's minimap.
Was that a glitch or intentional game design?
@@TomQuoVadis Intentional more likely, considering it was reused for the Allied Nighthawk in Red Alert 2.
As it should be. What you see as a commander is, after all, only what your units can see (at least with fog of war turned on)
Part of me likes the idea of imperfect info/no info being given to the player that isn't explicitly earned, a little like CoH2 or even to the extent of Wargame where even spottong a unit doesn't mean you can tell what *exactly* it is, but it's outside the genre for c&c... But you can speculate on a dead franchise. Rip
@@mattjk5299 I think the Harpy and Nighthawk just simply have radar absorbing paint on their fuselage
Or they have jammers which are activated while they're in the air...
The Venom beam cannon reflector trick and the Vertigo's tailgunner are such cool features. Really increasing the versatility of these aircraft.
Nod be reclaiming that air superiority after GDI curbstomped them since the First Tiberium War.
*Even the Scrin had trouble with their Air Force.*
@@MrDibara Scrin have the best siege air force, not really great for air to air combat as it easily loses to firehawks and venoms.
@@ismaelsantos5378 Oh, ABSOLUTELLY.
People talk crap about Devastators and their long construction time, but they absolutely *demolish* any infantry, ground vehicles and even anti-air structures, since they easily outrange them all.
Team them up with a few PACs and their healing Ion Storms, also Stormriders for scouting, and Scrin Air Force are almost unrivaled. Still, a mass of laser capacitated Venoms are a real challenge, *specially with how easy and fast it is to mass them.*
@@MrDibara Usually the problem of Devastators and PACs is not the construction time, but the resources needed to build them. 2 GraviStabs can easily make a broken fleet in minutes, but ye need to have enough Tib for it. I usually do the scouting with disposable buzzers or by a land army of Walkers and Seekers who are there mostly to give vision and to keep the enemy entertained while the fleet does the wrecking.
Not that far into the video yet to see if he mentions it or not, but the vertigo gunner actually works in game too c:
I always wonder how the technology of the factions would have progressed after the third Tiberium War. Such a shame there never was a fourth game. I am sure EA wouldn't have totally ruined that by attempting something stupid like completely changing the gameplay fundamentals. No, probably for the best that the games ended with Kane's Wrath.
I'm working on it ;)
I always envisioned a galactic war between GDI that was now defending a whole fledgeling Earth space nation (Galactic Defense Initiative lol), a much more bigger, sinister and in touch with its ancient and alien influences Nod, scouring the galaxy for alien tech in a bid for ideal human evolution, and Scrin at their full power battling the two on equal basis. Space and land battles, planetary control, Empire at War, but even better and being C&C, basically.
I know, I hope they bring the Banshees back, I miss them.
I like to Imagine the Black Hand would develop Stealth Venons ^^
You know what I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and say it wouldn't necessarilly be the radical change in gameplay that would ruin a hypothetical 4th game that certainly has never happened rather than being (not that it would, perish the though) a botched glorified cellphone game conversion with a cruel lack of polish and balacing and even more botched campaign.
What strikes me is that in an army of fanatics and psychopaths the Brotherhoods air force sound more restrained and professional than you would expect, you would at least think the Vertigo pilot would yell "In the name of Kane" when dropping the payload but no.
Professionals have standards
Well, given how fucking dangerous aerodynamics are and how precise you need to be, I think it stands to reason that even the fanatical Brotherhood of Nod would be wise enough to employ its more focused and self-controlling personnel to operate its Air Force. Lunacy and emotion can be left to the infantry.
@@MrDibara honestly even there infantry aren't so mad that they lack self restraint. They are more angry than straight up psychotic.
@@noty2673 They *were* better and not psychotic back in Tiberian Sun. That was their main strength besides guerrila tactics, defense and stealth, Nod's infantry used to be better and more specialized than GDI's.
By the Third Tiberium War, however, Nod's infantry seems like a bootleg GLA from Generals. T__T
If it wasn't for the Shadow Teams and Black Hand, I would've thought Nod's infantry was made of nothing but ill-equipped Militants and self exploding Fanatics.
Yeah, professional...
Then you hear the Banshee pilots crash their craft with that deadpan "Whoops." when they get shot down...
That ship in TibSun proves, that Ascension always was the Prophet's main goal: to leave the Earth with flock of faithful. One vision, one purpose.
Peace through Powaah!!
The Technology of Peace.
Peace through power
By the Technology of Peace!
Peace through Powaah!!
Venoms are some of the coolest aircraft in any RTS ever. The fact that they hit both air and ground targets, and could trick enemy radar with larger signatures was just so cool to me
Still waiting for Tib War 4.
But I'm sure The Brotherhood will come up with some new gizmos for their Air Force. Stealth Gunships maybe? So many options.
Anyway, thank you Jethild for another documentary from Tiberium universe!
There is no tib 4 never will be never has been
@@chadgrenadier6713 The Tiberium Crisis mod for Yuri's Revenge seems like a decent Tib 4 :P
@@ismaelsantos5378 Nah, Tiberium Essence for C&C 3 looks better there
Ah, the Venom... Definitely my favorite piece of aircraft in all of gaming.
Upgrade it with a nice Laser Capacitor and when you couple that with its very high speed, its ease of production (cheap and easy to mass) and its versatility to engage ground AND air units, the Venom aircraft in my opinion was the king of the skies during the Third Tiberium War.
At least until the Scrin pulled up, but even then, nothing short of a couple of PACs with Ion Storms activated would be enough to stop a mass of Venoms. _And even then, it might not be enough!_
*Also, Stormrider who? Venom mass for the win, ya four limited edition mantas!*
@@MrDibara Enough venom's in the sky delete PAC's before they could set up their Ion storms. A Nod player with strong economy could pump out Venom's faster than a Slingshots blow them out of the sky.
Shit was real yo.
@@TheNapster153 For real, that shit is *beautiful* to watch. 👌
As someone who was too young to have played Dawn, I find it fascinating how _modern_ the weapons used in the First Tiberium War were. Especially considering that Yuri's Revenge was my favorite RTS, and that's a far more futuristic setting.
Pretty interesting that during NOD's initial years after revealing itself globally, a lot of it's Military consists of American hardware, even though the U.S. was one of G.D.I.'s major backers.
Like Jethild said, Nod had funding from a ton of private corporations throughout the world. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of them were from the U.S. as well.
Frankly, it's almost a pity how their Air Force took a nosedive after the first Tiberium War. The Banshee aside, Nod's aircrafts were very outclassed by GDI's own.
At least they made a comeback during the Third Tiberium War! *Kane bless them Venoms and their Laser Capacitors!* 😁
@@MrDibara In "Lord of War" movie the main character explains to an interpol agent that the US sells more military hardware in a day than he does in a whole year and often uses independent weapon sellers/traffikers like him as a middle man to sell to unsavory factions without having the US fed stamp of approval on the goods. So Nod getting a lot of US equipment is kind of expected considering they have the funding to wage war on a global scale.
Thing is, Nod wasn't just a rinky-dink stereotypical terrorist group operating out of the former USSR, Middle East and Africa. They were a genuine "big tent" hydra organization that had people from multiple demographics from child soldiers in Central Africa to deep state bureaucrats within the US MIC.
The weird thing is that the manual for C&C in 1995 says that the plane that did all of Nod’s lifting for the airfield was an Antonov IIRC
No idea if that’s been ret-conned but it’s an odd minor detail
Nod stuck true to its name as a Brotherhood by having specific individuals in power at the right place and time to carry out its goals. All of which loyal to Kane.
Of course, it helped that there always individuals willing to go through the extra mile for money.
One thing you may miss to mention is that Sakura appears to have acquired another, or repaired the Comanche, since she's seen using it again on the prison break mission to cover for Havoc.
More insane theory: shes cursed to have a commanche within her proximity.
I miss good C&C games. I'm looking forward to Tiberian Sun and RA 2 being re-released in 4k.
_Here's hoping EA does at least that much._ *Though I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.*
I didnt know the Armagedon is actually a modified Carry All. But now that you point it out, it can not be unseen
Its rather interesting that 🤔
The Venom always stuck out to me, I loved how they handled in-game, like better Harpies, but how they reminded me of the Orcas from the first war in design. They were like nod-made Orcas, which fits with Nod's tendency to acquire and modify various existing weapon systems to fit their combat doctrine; A big part of Tiberian Sun for me was stopping nod from making "Sonic Tanks" with the stolen Disruptor crystals, and I wondered what their version would look like if they succeeded in that scenario.
Everytime i see a new video from jethild, my heart is filled with joy and happiness. Thank you brother for keeping this series alive.
same
You know in a potential good follow up to Tiberium Wars, I would love to see the different ways GDI and Nod's air forces would change after their encounters with the Scrin, both in terms of new tech they integrate and different tactics to counter a possible second invasion. I have to imagine GDI would build bigger more heavily armed aircraft to match the threat like a resurrected Kodiak with rail gun turrets and continuing their use of high speed interceptors like an evolved Firehawk. Nod I think would go more what they always do, heavier stealth units and bleeding edge advanced fighter aircraft, probably even resurrecting and improving the Banshees. Heavenly only knows what terrors from the sky the Scrin's main invasion force could bring to bear in a fight, what could have been.
I had similar thoughts. I would think that after the Scrin invasion GDI would setup some kind of space force. They probably already had one but acting in more of a support role for ground forces. Would of been cool to have them as a 3rd sub-faction alongside the Steel Talons and ZOCOM. Having access to the Scrin tower, I do think Nod would have been able to substantially improve their military, becoming more advanced than GDI's but not as large. So they would still stick to their mobile hit and run style of combat.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binged all the C&C content and loved it. The first C&C game was the first RTS I ever played and I have loved the story and world as I've played the rest of the games. I even ran a D&D game heavily inspired by C&C that was a ton of fun. I'm a big fan of lore videos and I'm so glad that you've dedicated so many videos to this universe.
Thank you and keep it up!
Recently getting obsessed again with C&C lore especially the Tiberium series. Love to see the community still active!
WAKE UP BABE, NEW COMMAND AND CONQUER VIDEO RELEASED!
yes, a complete list of nod aircraft from all the c&c games. not a single game was missing. great video!
The Orcas and Firehawks are awesome, but the Venoms and Vertigos are still effective and useful. I think these 2 aircraft are iconic too and are among my favorites.
The true terror of C&C 3...
_"Venom Craft ready for liftoff."_ 🤚😌👌
@@MrDibara And because, they're so cheap you can build a whole army of rocketeers to support them.
@@ForTheBrotherhood Or mass a few Raider Buggies.
*Seriously, with Laser Capacitors, a mass of Venoms can take on **_anything._* Just bring in Buggies (another versatile motherfucker) to help deal with anti-air infantry and enemy aircraft and you're good. 👍
One more great update in the name of Kane!
Vertigo bomber is by far the coolest aircraft i have ever seen
Keeping alive C&C amazing work Jethild
I miss those "old" days so much. Me and my friends did organise LAN-Partys in Switzerland for 200-250 people basically every year. So much fun and enjoyment and i wasn't constantly in pain back then, just enjoying the life...
I've been a subscriber since before you hit 500 and I still love that C&C4 is never mentioned. I appreciate it too as a long time C&C fan that we simply do not speak of that last travesty.
Also great video as always, the quality has only gone up since you started!
Sorry reading your comment but there’s just a black blur after you wrote I still love that
Is something wrong brother Nathan
@@chadgrenadier6713 Worry not, brother Grenadier.
Whatever it is, I'm sure it wasn't something of much importance. 😌
@@MrDibara very well brother Dibara
I always enjoy these nostalgia packed videos.. Thank you :)
I stumbled upon this channel by sheer luck, and I am very much enjoying your videos. I grew up with CnC, and am a fan of the Soviet and NOD factions. Keep doing what you do, bro.
More command a conquer Content is always appreciated
I always found it odd, but a cool limitation of the Tib Sun engine and or it's sprites that the Harpies had their rotors visibly missing when in game.
After C&C3 they reminded me of Prototype Venom's in a way because of it.
I wish we could have seen the Nod built Scrin style ship in action. What kind of weapons it had etc. Still the Banshee is my pic for best looking NOD craft.
As someone who hasn’t touched a CnC game since Red Alert 2 and who just got the massive anniversary remastered edition with the toys and the patches, your content is awesome, love getting back into the lore.
Yes. Jethild be making CnC video faster
UA-cam keeps recommending me tf2, advance wars, age of Empires, and now c&c videos. A true golden era of gaming.
another exelent and through tactical briefing by Logistics Officer Jethild
LET'S GO, NEW VIDEO!!! ✊
[Comment suceptible to edition after watching the video]
EDIT: _Yup!_ It's amazing how Nod's Air Force started out almost as strong as GDI's, took a heavy nosedive on the Second Tiberium War save for the Banshee, but then emerged back into prominence during the Third one.
In fact, due to the powerful versatility and ease of manufacture of the Venom aircraft, I'd even go as far as to say that Nod were THE dominant Air Force during the Third Tiberium War! _Well... at least they _*_were,_*_ until the Scrin came into play._ (those fucking PACs and their artificial Ion Storms, coupled with them long range Devastators...!)
While I found the beam cannon using a mirror on the venom as a neat little function to give the beam cannon more range, you have to basically string venoms into a potentially exposed position just to attack one structure at a time.
If I wanted some long range punishment I either go for vertigo’s, or spectres.
Since Cnc3 was my introduction to the serie your video helped greatly to learn more about the lore that i feel in love with do you plan to cover the red alert games in the future ?
Surprised you have done Nod Infantry yet, since it's one of their strongest elements.
13:53 Or you could build another air tower, which has the advantage of allowing the player to have an extra queue for producing aircraft.
Which is why we don't bother building it or its GDI counterpart, the Combat Support Airfield...
@@louievelayo4100 Would have been nice if the support towers/airfields could actually build the aircraft so long as you had the main tower/AF built, could easily be done in a mod by adding the units to the production Q of the support structures but also requiring the main building for production.
One Jethild video, one purpose!
nice update!
I think I've played CNC3 for dozens of hours and never realized that Vertigos have a AA Tail Gun!! Thanks for the awesome content.
Wish Command and Conquer could get a TV show,Movie or Animated Series, and Command and Conquer fans like no strings prd and jethild as well as those devs who worked on earlier CNC basically petroglyph, I want more lore for CNC haha.
i was waiting for this video so long, thank you so much jethild!
my head canon for the mystery "alien" ship is that gdi carved it to bits as best they could and shipped it off to a variety of research centres, nod moles ensuring at least some of it fell in nod hands from the get go. with the pieces changing hands as a variety of commanders executd a variety of plans. both sides eventually learning everything they could from it, including that it was a man made craft based on an alien design, as well as how to make more of them, or at the least ships like it. none of them actually doing so because they would need full control ovre the planet
I love these. Hope to hear from the unknown faction: the forgotten!
Love your channel i'm happy i found it.
17:50
I didn't knew about that
I'm 34 and played all these games as they came out and I try to replay them every couple of years. Until just now I never picked up that the alien ship was made by Kane. How did I miss that all these years?!
Thank you so much for these deep dive videos.
A new video so soon. Woohoo!
YAAAAASSSS! I’ve been waiting for this! ❤️
video suggestion: mechanised walkers
Keep it coming Jethild!
Recently invested more time looking to the Nod "f22" and I cannot avoid how its proportions makes it almost closer to a MIG, Its a bit between the wings and the canopy style and size/location in the body makes me think if they just tunned a couple detailes between this and the MIG 29 for red alert
I could've sworn the original manual for C&C said the Nod Runway plane was supposed to be an Antonov AN-22 or AN-124
The manual doesn't mention either of those planes in it.
@@Jethild I had a manual that does mention it as an "Antonov AN-22", but it's a translation so it's even more unreliable a source (C&C Gold for Windows, French translation).
I also remember such a mention on some C&C forums, where the consensus was essentially "The manual says that, but the in-game model says otherwise, so the manual is wrong."
You do need a lot of recognition ngl
I love how Vertigo from top side looks as if it had a huge smile. Wonder if the bottom had same groove with red light eyes :D
Love these videos! Gives me such nostalgia
Ah venoms... buddys favorite unit that still this day causes ptsd specially in large airwings of 60 or so. And when you finally manage to put them down after half of your has disappeared...then you hear "Alright next is turn of groups 2 and 3 come to say hi"...
Amazing work jethild 👍
Awesome video.
I really like watching your content, as it is very informative about the lore.
By the way, what is you favourite c&c game?
Mine is tiberian sun/firestorm.
I would say in terms of story/lore Tiberian Sun + Firestorm expansion is my favorite. For gameplay it's probably Kane's Wrath, though I would put the Zero Hour expansion to Generals as a close second because Generals Challenge is one of my favorite game modes in any game. To this day I'm surprised that game mode wasn't adopted in other RTSs. RA3 had Commanders Challenge, but IMO it wasn't as fun since it just reused skirmish maps.
I agree.
Kane’s wrath is one of the best games.
I like how it’s mechanics are slightly different to the previous games, tiberian dawn and sun.
Great video, this is legendary, thumbs up.
KANE will be pleased.
great video I really do enjoy this videos love command and conquer it's a favorite game on mine
Can't wait for Jethild becoming owerful enough that EA submits to him and let's him have the C&C name then he can write its reality the way he wants and he can give us a 4th game made with love
Of all three factions in C&C3 nod had my favorite air units
Peace through power
The only thing i loved about Tiberium Twilight was the new design of the Nod Venom. I just really like it
What is Tiberium Twilight?
@@Groza_Dallocort uhhh... Nothing. Just look up the venom if you interested. Ignore everything else even though there is nothing else.
@@mr.watson3237 well then
Venom Spam Ready for liftoff!
I wish Jethild crew also review Red Alert units since they also share same roots with tiberian verse
I actually never known about the beam cannon trick until this video. lol
Have you ever considered using footage from Command and Conquer Renegade X? It is a fan made remake of Renegade and has some cool takes on some of the vehicles.
good research Jethild!
It's probably down to game balance but I never did like how in 3 the non-airship aircraft didn't need to reload, and how venoms didn't take up a landing space like stormriders. I much preferred them as strong but limited tactical tools from Dawn and TS, and the Orca and bombers worked just fine like that.
Also the Harpy might be said to have only got a couple machine guns, but damn if they don't do a better anti-tank job then TS Orca Fighters do.
Yeah, Orca fighters felt really nerfed compared to the previous game. I never bothered with them, fielding dozens of bombers instead.
Had a special idea for a Nod Air Carrier inspired by twisted insurrection, roughly twice the size of the Kodiak, the Gorgon class carriers were capable of transporting 8 Hornet vtols, 6 Banshee Interceptors, 4 Cobra Strike Fighters, and 2 Wraith Bombers. Three were constructed, but only two saw service, the first was medusa and her sister Stheno, Euryale was destroyed in the dry dock, its sacrifice allowed Stheno to survive and join Medusa in a counter attack and various joint operations across most of Europe and America against GDI.
Sakura wasn't flying an Apache. That aircraft was the RAH-66 Comanche.
Yes, I said the Commanche in the video.
Fantastic series
Fantastic! Thank you!
So much fun to watch and more declassified information never been revealed in the RTS gaming world!!!! KEEP THEM COMING!!!!! YEAH!!!!
Keep em comin'!
Yes more please ❤thanks
Hello
You forgot an aircraft.
In kanes wrath, in the mission were you land on the beach to fight the steel talons for the first time there is an enormous aircraft being used, they have a name and i dont remember it.
Love the video, looking forward to if you will feature the big transport ship i mentioned :)
That craft that you're referring to is called the Hovercraft which I go into detail about in my "Nod's Navy" video. If you look closely, the hovercraft is actually moving on top of the water.
@@Jethild oh damn, thank you for answering!
@@clementlobjoie1986 Your welcome. I originally assumed it was an aircraft as well. I think it could also be considered an ekranoplan.
@@Jethild ah yes thats an option! Thank you :)
14:15
"The tail gunner will defend the aircraft"
[Clip showing Vertigoes went full offensive on a retreating Firehawk]
In the name of Kane!
First of all, I must thank you, Jethild, for your video series about C&C lore rekindled my interest in that topic. So now, I'm going to run a tabletop roleplay game in that universe somewhat after 2052. I'm not the best writer, but I'm sure I can do better then . Long I wanted to do a campaign that would include Tiberium Wars, but I was lacking of information, plus I'm too much of a Nod player to not yell "PEACE THOUGH POWER" at every opportunity. Thanks to your work, I can have an idea how to put a game without leaning toward Brotherhood all the time. But I like to ask you about two things:
1. Since we have only since we do not have any other game after Kane's Wrath, can you speculate about events that would follow next, after Kane and Legion grow aware of coming Invasion? Do you think there could be a schism in the Brotherhood? Would alliance be possible - if so, after what events? How do you picture GDI government in 2052?
2. Would you like to be featured as a reference or as a cameo? If you get to name a peace of tech (any of your choosing), what would it be and how would you call it?
love ur vids commander :)
Again amazing!😊
3:48 Nod Apache flying inside a tunnel?
Yeah and that was oddly weird asf, why is there a Apache helicopter in the tunnels
NOD's aircraft is better than GDI's
Venom can kill ground and air targets, is fast and detects stealth
Vertigo is invisible, durable, makes lots of damage and has anti-air gun
The Venom is a weak vehicle in durability and damage. Firehawks can wipe out entire squads quickly, and slingshots lay waste to them. I'd say they are a great unit but not the best. Just the easiest to use due to lacking micro demands.
@@AlphaWolf-is8zg i dont care about their armor, Venom is fast and useful
@@patrik9328 AND more numerous!
By the time one has constructed *one* Firehawk, you could have two to three Venoms, possibly more if you utilize more Air Towers.
And trust me, you upgrade those bad boys with Laser Capacitors and GDI's Firehawks won't have that much of an edge over them. *Specially in fewer numbers.*
_(of course, a wise Commander won't allow the enemy the time to try and match their Venoms' numbers)_
@@MrDibara in Tiberium Essence mod, you can upgrade your Venom’s with Microwave generators
They cause massive damage to aircraft and slows them down
@@patrik9328 *Awesome.* I'mma need to download and install that mod after I finish revisiting Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath.
Always wanted to see GDI's mechs back (not exactly Steel Talons) as well as more "military oriented" Scrin units. (let's be honest, the ones employed by Foreman-371 are probably dated as hell, like the equipment the GLA uses in C&C Generals)
With the disruption pods I think I use to put them on vehicles and it kinda works, but once it’s done it will partially damage the vehicle
So it's much like GDI's Sensor Pods then, except it damages the vehicle it attaches to once its batteries run out...
You're right, the disruption pods can attach to vehicles, though I did not notice them damaging any when they were done.
Would have been awesome to have witnessed the full might of their navy's force. And space forces.
The Banshee was pretty much a cool design in the 2nd Tiberium War, which later based from the Scrin's
Because I played one of the earliest versions of Tiberium Dawn, I don't think I ever saw/used the attack chopper that they had. I had thought that made the game somewhat interesting because of the asymmetrical nature of each sides forces despite sharing a couple units. Nod had flame weaponry and stealth tech, while GDI had slightly beefier, more expensive units and aircraft. I was just a kid at the time, so maybe I just didn't play deep enough into the game. . .
Your videos get better and better ,just like No strings prd, you seek emulate the CNC feel, though No Strings wants the tib war 3 feel while you go for tib sun.
What's the Soundtrack your using? I wish you'd Link it, this music used in the beginning with the mysterious piano music is awesome, reminds me of plants vs zombies Lol.
Nevermind, I forgot you out music used in the description hahaha.
i played Tiberian Twilight years back, it had a lot of cool units for Nod and GDI both, had some weird ones, too. thankfully, aircraft for both factions had only one or two that were weird. that i can remember, anyway.
sometimes i wonder... if EA did make another proper Command and Conquer game, what would the aircraft be like?
“When the banshee cries somebody dies!” From rivals.
The Armageddon that was used to transport the liquid tiberian bomb. was bigger alot than the standard one