Destiny: My Review and Thoughts on The Dark Below
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2014
- Two weeks into the The Dark Below, how is it? I give my thoughts on what has transpired since the first expansion hit Destiny and talk about issues the community at large might have.
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People "cheese" raids because destiny's loot system is incredibly unrewarding. And shaming people by calling the "cheeses" cheating doesn't work.
It is broken. Getting 2 radiant shards and 3 energies from crota and that's it is ridiculous. Getting 5 strange coins, 7 ascendant shards and a vanguard scout rifle from nightfall is embarrassing. I'm a lvl 32. Does it look like I need ascendant shards? No.
Have you considered RNG? Yes every loot based game needs randomness but this is ridiculous. I know someone who has 11 Mythoclasts and I have yet to get one.
This guy know's it
Well, using the internet disconnect method to beat Crota really is cheating (What else would you call it? Working as intended? Creatively using game mechanics?). You really are literally breaking the game, far outside using anything present in the game, to cause events that should happen normally to glitch out and not occur. It's true that the loot system is rather unrewarding and tends to promote this type of activity, I myself have done this glitch once, but that doesn't change what it is.
He separated the difference between cheesing and cheating in the video. Making The Templar and Atheon fall off the map? Cheesing. The Lamp explosion exploit? Cheesing. Disconnecting from the game during the Crota fight to ensure he stays kneeling for the rest of the fight? Legitimately cheating.
Personally, I don't/didn't have a real problem with the others (Cheesing), though I did enjoy when they finally patched The Templar, since it meant people actually had to find a legitimate way to do the fight, and there were people that didn't actually know how to do the fight because they were always in groups that cheesed the fight.
The Crota "cheese" I don't like for the simple fact that it does not involve the exploitation of actual in-game mechanics and is simply just breaking the game.
"One person can't carry the entire team."
The Legend Himself says otherwise.
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it's a fun comment in this video when you watch it today after the release of D2 "Raid loot is suppose to be earned, not simply given out for buying the game"...
“One man can’t carry the entire group” *raid gets solo’d a month later*
Here's how the armor situation should have been: New vendor armor with max 30 light (so everyone can hit 30 and play crota's end). VoG armor should be 33 light. So those who actually went through the trouble of spending all that time getting every piece of raid gear wouldn't have been shit on as soon as the dlc released. Also, those who replay the VoG will get new weapons with 331 DAMAGE. I can't believe they thought the opposite would be a good idea. Like I love you Bungie, but what. the. fuck.
Awesome Ideas, and i think the exotics we found in the Vault of Glass should give higher atack stats as well..... but Bungie says No!
Felipe Thiago I completely agree. If the exotic bounties, nightfalls, even crucible now yield the new, upgraded exotics, so should VoG. What they did is make the VoG utterly useless.
Stud Muff Yeah, the VoG is now just a Big Source of Ascendant Materials, or if you're lucky Exotic Shards dismantling Weapons but after all not more or less than that
Man those were my exact thoughts
Agreed. We need a higher level VoG as well (31?) that rewards better gear, with higher chances of weapons and armor (not every time, but getting at least one weapon or armor per raid dosent seem to bad), and chatterwhite gets removed
While I was watching this today, on 12/31/2017. It reminded me so much of a lot of good memories of destiny one. While I still have the ability to play, I do believe that I will go down memory lane, and play destiny one today. How could bungee mess up so badly now, with the way things are today. In destiny two.
So weird coming back to this after 7.5 years later
Great review
I was about to say," What the heck, why is Planet Destiny commenting on their own vid, saying it was good?" Then I realize,"Oh, this is a Datto vid."
Interesting how issues with the game back then are still relevant today
I miss the good old times and mystery of d1
Holy cow... That was great, Datto, I love how you present things and try to keep your opinion out of things. It's extremely professional and is what makes your channel the best for videos dealing with this game. Despite what a lot of people say, I really enjoy this game and your videos just add to the whole experience of it. Thanks a ton! Keep up the great videos!
Found your channel a little bit after I bought the game, I love everything you do. You've helped me through VoG and getting some of my exotics. I just want to thank you for doing your videos.
Rewatching after CoO burnout; damn it feels like dejá vu
First lesson in Activision Marketing 101:
"Content Update" = $5 - $10
"Expansion Pack" = $20 - $40
Class Dismissed
lol but seriously, just bought Destiny despite all the negativity. Having a lot of fun so far, still early on tho around level 12 and haven't got to the real grindy aspect of the game yet but hey we'll see how it goes. Anyways just wanted to say thanks for your uploads they have been a huge help
Very informative and entertaining video, as always. Great job making your points and stating your arguments, never change.
Really good recap of the highs and lows of the expansion!
Merry Christmas!!
100% agree with ur buddy Leopard and also with ur thoughts on maybe allowing us to upgrade or reset the VoG raid weapons.
Me and my team were the first team in australia to get to crota and we all had a ball experiencing all the stafes for the first time! I would also love to see a lot more cutscenes! Skipable though!
I hope in the future, they add a way to make it so you can increase the size of the Vault. I like collecting things but the Vault isn't big enough.
I'm only 21 (quit, came back, and I play casually) and wanted to know if I could do the story missions or do I have to grind to ~30 before doing those? Thanks! :)
Your destiny videos are excellent, i think you are a good representation of what the community wants, and a good voice for it, i hope bungie takes notes so they are atleast aware of things we like and things we dont.
they sorta did 😅
Have to completely agree I still do VOG as much as possible because of how much fun I find it to do, but a buff would be nice. Personally I feel the best part not mentioned in the ROC Strike runs, they are quite challenging and the rewards are more often than not GREAT! not just a load of blues and nothing else...
Definitely nailed the review. Very interesting to watch as well.
About the Undying Mind strike: I personally love it. It is very intense, and it is probably the only strike I feel like I am always struggling for survival. Also, people made fun of the three shields, but it is actually a pretty cool mechanic. It adds an urgency to get your shots in while you have a line of sight on boss, and it also makes it less so where you fond yourself simply waiting around for the shield to go by.
Datto wants more cutscenes, i want skippable cutscenes.
I completely agree with you on being able to solo the raid, that shouldn't be possible just like VOG just where it's impossible to go through the entire raid with just a fireteam of three without a warlock. and i personally haven't being able to do the raid with people who doesn't want to cheese their way through it and it is very sad, even in the forums everyone just wants to cheese and glitch their way through the raid.
Datto to is such an awesome dude. Like, seriously what a legend.
Datto, which scout rifle and shotgun combo were you using in the pvp footage?
how do u unlock this raid of crota..also i thought the whole purpose of the expansion dark below was to prevent crota from coming to life
Match making for the raids would be a good start.
You talking about the so called "cheese" as a cheat has actually made me change my mind, I used to do that so I could get the loot over and over without actually trying. But I don't think I will do that anymore because whatever I get, I do not deserve whatsoever. Thank you Datto
Evening Datto! You mentioned the investment issue with games. I feel that the leveling way armor and especially the weapons could have been done in a better way. Allowing for each piece of gear to be added to and upgraded rather than replaced after each level. I thought they had said gear would level with us, but it truly doesn't feel that way. Enjoyed the video as always. Keep them coming!
The Dark Below was satisfying at first, with the flow of new story and gear, but I feel as well that this DLC was just a "content update" as you said. I answered BelleBunny's question through Twitter that I wanted to see cutscenes in the raid. The gear from the Vault was amazing and I still haven't completed my collection, but now I'm just grinding for the Crota's End weapons and gear. The fact that the Vault weaponry and the Vault armor is practically obsolete in some cases gives me a sense of loss because I won't want to grind for those weapons anymore, therefore greying out a part of the game that used to be so attractive to me. I want to see a true "Expansion" with the House of Wolves, and I know that almost everyone wants their investment respected. Great overview. I agree with you 100%. Have a merry crispy time and great day.
He is very right. In my view I think that whenever Bungie has finished their next game or expansion they should go to him to test it. He knows exactly what the community wants and what they wouldn't like. If the next expansion does not improve in how much content it brings, well I don't how anyone would continue to support this game if the devs make the same mistakes over and over
Is it true that there will be VoG level 31? would been awesome!
1. With regard to the grind, more playable content is needed to make this aspect of the game an enjoyable experience. 2. This links into the notion of 'expansion'. I expected this to add considerable and lengthy content to the game (10 new story missions, 5 new strikes, 5 new PvP maps and so on). 3. There should be a way to upgrade the older legendary gear to the new light level. My old IB gear now seems worthless. 4. Instead of a reset for exotics, they should have increased the damage perks on the tree and made them 'hard to get'. This would have felt like progress rather than regress.
Very well put. Small things could give the game more charm. For example, how about interactive load screens? Move your ships around. Maybe out a small cutscene where your fireteam is just palling around in a ship. Would that fix the game? No, of course not. But would that small thing be a step in the right direction? I think it would
Can u do video for ewch sub class and what a good build for them?
Great video, Datto. I'm in agreement with everything you said, especially the last part about continuing to support this game because of what it can be one day.
What hand cannon were you using that had arc damage?
There should be some kind of exchanging system if ascendant materials with radiant materials coz I now have hundreds of ascendant shards with no use.
ya i was saying they needed more cutscenes from the start..its unbelievable how there are not much cutscene content.
I just got the vex from the VOG does anyone know if it can be upgraded like the other exotics?
Is it worth buying the dlc even though im mostly a pvp person and I never do raids. I do the whs but thats about it for pve. I just dont want to pay money for something that I wont do and im not sure if there is a lot of pvp content.
When i look back at this video and 90% of crota's end is still bugged to hell lmao
Do you think that lik mote of light peveling system they should do this with the shards
Datto, I'd like to hear what you think about the non-loot Deathsinger part of the raid.
Pretty sure you know that almost everyone is and will skip this part to the next CP (Crota) because there is - even though it is pretty easy - no reason to do it in the first place seeing that there is no reward for completing it.
What do you think? Should bungie patch in another loot drop? Should they just leave it the way it is and watch how people keep skipping this part?
I feel like we need more Exotic weapons. I got the game a week after launch and took about a 1-2 month break from playing because of school and I have all but 2 exotics (besides the Play Station exclusives because I'm on Xbox). I shouldn't almost have all of them. I feel like we need weapon packs. These weapon packs would cost around $5.00 and you would get 10 exotics added to the game. You wouldn't be given these weapons, but you could get then from Nightfalls, Raids, etc. I think this would give Exotic collectors like me more motivation to play the game.
Shouldn't cost $5.00. Should be free. We shouldn't have to pay for more guns, but just DLC (like dark below etc). We shouldn't have to pay for bunnies fault of not putting enough content in the game.
Not a the greatest idea
Mr Jalapeno What the **** are you on about, yes you have most of the exotics. I'm sure i've played destiny way more than you based on your timeframe and i don't have as much exotics as you. sure you have most of the exotics but you can only use two at anyone time and some of the exotic are beyond useless (Universal Remote). And paying real money for exotics and then hoping RNG is nice to you is just ridiculous, it's bad enough as it is, for example i've killed about 40 of the blades of crota guy and still haven't gotten Husk of the Pit and you get someone who kills them once and gets it and they don't even know the value of what they have. In short, paying for a chance to get a new exotic is a dumb idea and because you have most of the exotics doesn't make them any less special.
You wouldn't be forced to get it, it's just for people who need more exotics to grind for. I got the last one I needed today and have nothing to do now.
They should have added the “light bomb” from the skolas figth into the abyss to make it unsoloable. In a unique way ofcourse
Any news on the PC Version, because I'll re-buy this game along with the season pass on the PC as most of my friends play on it.
Grinding is only fun when the activity is fun to repeat. I had no problem sinking hours and hours into COD: zombies, or League of legends, or the like.... because it had enough variation within those game modes to keep it interesting. Repeating strikes, missions and patrols over and over again gets old quick.
Random question but i've been thinking about it, if you have 3 characters and delete all of them but keep weapons and armour in the vault, then create a new character will you still keep the armour and weapons?
Why wouldn't you just make a new account before deleting all three (like delete 2, make a new one, then delete the third)? Then your vault will stay untouched without a doubt.
TheStranger66280 i was just wondering incase something like that ever happened
I'll agree. I highly enjoyed Dark Below's content; all of it was some of the most chaotic fun I've had in this game, but after completing all the missions, I was just left wishing there was more to it.
I liked the story missions too. People can complain, but they can't say it's not an improvement. The Cauldron is my favorite map right now, mainly because the 1 match I've played on it netted me either my 2nd or 3rd reign of terror, 1st was in the alpha, don't remember if I got one in the beta. But 8.67 k/d!
Also, the Undying mind strike was probably cut content because it follows up right after The Black Garden Mission, so a strike unlocked by finishing the mission would make sense.
One thing we don't need more of: loading time! If Destiny had a story,the loading time before each cutscene would totally kill the mood.Also,introducing some sort of mechanic to reduce the likelyhood of aquiring repeated raid gear would be nice
Alright, let me get this clear is usually cheese crota's end. I dont have a dedicated group to raid with even though id much like to and the randoms just dont cut it for me in those first few weeks of the raid being out, but being a hardcore player as I am I want to get my hands on that hot and tasty CE loot. Only way to do it for me is to solo/cheese the raid. Im sure teams get better after time progress, but I simply dont have five hours in a row to do CE once let alone for both my characters.
I enjoy all your videos and find them highly useful so keep them going but i was just wondering if you could do a video on how to solo xyor because other people have done it but very vaguely. If possible could you do it like on of the nightfall solo but if not im not bothered. i don't have any friends one xbox as they're all on ps4 and i know there are others out there in the same situation.
The majority don't think Crota's End is easy. Especially the deathsinger part. Not everyone have the recommended weapons to do this (Vex Mythoclast, Gjallarhorn, Ice Breaker, Fatebringer etc) and it varies from player to player or group. To you it may be easy because you're a master at this Datto and you chose the right group to do this.
Datto said everything i refused to say to the sometimes hard headed fan base.
Thanks for bringing up cutscenes, your awesome!
what class is he playing? looks awesome when he use the sword :)
I agree with most of the things you said. But, by your own standards, you should not do the Nightfall (Sekrion, for example), standing on the top and fighting only the boss and the minotaur. After all, "it is not the way it was intended to be fought", no matter bungie did not put a door there. You just should not use it. But breaking the network to beat Crota is kinda different, I agree.
Datto you should do a n indeapth video on what you think Destiny 2 should have that destiny doesn't. i love hearing your thoughts on destiny and I think it would be cool to hear all the things that you think could improve destiny if you have any more than some that you said in this video.
Hi can someone please tell me what shotgun he's using
What scout rifle is he using when he's playing Crucible?
Wht an awesome review datto..i'm just glad that u actually talked about the cheesing(cheating)and how irritating it has become,nicely done.
What shotgun is he using at the beginning of the video
Crazy watching this after all this time
Datto do you think the ghost will ever be in the game again?
I also do believe that the reasons for cheesing crota is that if your the sword bearer for example and you put in all the hard work and we'll timed swings to land the killing blow on crota and ONLY get 2 or 3 shards or even worse energy, I find that complete bull!
Crota's raid could be harder by simply adding modifiers from the nightfall, except the burn modifier of course. Also adding elemental shields to enemies like the knights and wizards just like in the mission to kill Xyor would increase the difficulty automatically
Preach on dude, nicely done.
Crotas end raid is so short and why is there's no rewards for wizards round?
Me and my raid group where doing crotas end and we almost lost because of enrage.
Crota was down and the sword knight was dead, the person who was supposed to get the sword died so I ran in grabbed the sword and started damaging him when I see enraged and one final blow killed him, I thought we were done for.
Whenever I tried to do the raid LFG, people insisted on doing Bridge using the cheese. It was annoying
I don't get this, how can I fight crota? I can't get another missions from eris after I finish the bounty quests which is gather the stuff and do that mission at the start of the video and I turned it my quest/bounty and I got no more quests from her, helllpp
You don't need to complete Eris' questline to launch Crota's End.
i was a noob back then ;D bu thanks now i know how it goes.
i hope that Destiny 2 will be centered around the story aspect of the game. Perhaps a prequel to Destiny(showing the events in the collapse). I feel that if there was more story substance behind my character i would feel more attached to my gear and choices i make in the game
I'm very conflicted with the new vanguard gear being level 31, because it made it easier for me to reach lvl 30 which is great, but it makes me mad because I only just started doing the Vault of Glass and now it's obsolete.
What do you think the next raid will have enemies wise? I think it will be fallen.
My personal belief is that to keep the VOG and old raids relevant, they would have to have a harder difficulty to match with the new raid with each expansion, with the rewards being a higher level, but just under the meta for the new raid.
Datto, in order to keep old raid gear relevant and enable people to wear raid set stuff because they prefer the looks without having to implement a transmog option, Bungie could simply add another difficulty tier to VoG with modifiers, like you mentioned in your video. This new raid difficulty tier should reward you with all the non-Crota's End specific gear, all VoG gear and additionally with materials that only drop there. You can use the new materials to upgrade your existing VoG raid gear to match the current raid tear item level, similar to how you upgrade exotics in the expansion. This would keep the awesome existing as well as all upcoming raids still somewhat relevant, give players a "transmog" option for the incredibly well done old armor sets. Wouldn't take a lot of effort to implement and be a huge improvement to the game. People who acquired the old, fully upgraded raid set have an advantage since expansions wpuldn't render their gear obsolete all of a sudden and people who don't have it yet, but would love to get it/see the VoG would have an incentive to still clear the old raid. Win/win situation, especially since the content in Destiny is still lacking. What do you think?
I'm of the same mind in that I want to support the game because I truly believe in its potential. I think Bungie, despite the issues with Destiny, is a good developer that does its best to keep all ears to the ground and take consumer feedback into consideration. I think they really do want to make a game that we love, and I have a lot of hope both for future expansions and the eventual sequels. Maybe by the time Destiny 2 rolls around they will have ironed out all the kinks, honed in on the essence that gives the world they've built so much potential, and expounded upon that to create something mind-blowing.
Very well said my friend. I don't quite understand why people complain about the gear reset (I know why but disagree). I was a big COD person up until COD Ghosts and one of the things my friends and I look forward to the most was prestiging your gun and character. You then had to grind away in PvP to level it back up but you were then able to put your emblem on your gun. Same with your character. I would love to have to re-level my defender titans skills and show that I spent the time and was able to do it. However Destiny cannot do this with the characters since the level cap is technically 20. Right now, if I made a new Titian all I'd have to do is get him to level 20 and then give my left over gear from my primary character and he'd go from a 20 to a 30 in 15 seconds. I like re-grinding my gear and hell, i would reset my Thorn again if I had gotten another perk out of it. If I just bought the upgrade and it would max out my gun, it would be like buying a use pre-colored coloring book. Either way, I hope someone at Bungie watches this video as it was done very very well. Keep it up my man!
- Compound27
Can you do a video on Vanguard Roc?
I got plan c from first Croats end raid
In 2018, Crota is still a loot pinata
Haven't gotten to finish any of the new content.. :( had to send my Xbox One off for repairs. Stupid disc drive..
It's true that they should make the Crota raid much harder, but I also think Bungie did a spot on job with the expansion "The Dark Below" adding a new sense into the game and much more things they could worry about, and what things they can try to get so they could show those things off to their friends.
Your point of view on this game made me subscribe.
Perfect review
I was surprised the raids don't have cut scenes. Like what exactly was the point of use going to the vault of glass? LOL
Despite the many mistakes bungie/activision have made, you still support and know that this game still has the potential to be even better, maybe the best, and that is so cool. Believe it or not, I love this game already, but I do agree that it needs more. Thanks Datto for remaining optimistic! I will too! We just hope they're listening. :)
Happy 5 years of the dark below :)
On point.
Still don't have it yet your review makes me question wether or not to get the expansion pack
If you like raiding and are willing to grind a lot then get it. If not then don't
blackjt222
i haven't
done the new raid at all and i still think its worth it
No don't get it, save your money and get another game. Destiny is dead as soon as week four.
Datto can you send me please or do a video about the 3 best weapons and armor for each class including exotics please like 3 best helmets 3 best handcannons 3 best autorifles
Well said.
I was , and still am, a little heated about the faction weapon situation. I had a respectable collection from all 3 crucible factions and a complete vanguard set that was made obsolete overnight. But if youre so lucky to have your engram grant a faction weapon now, its an upgraded version of what they already offer. If Xur can offer exotic upgrades, why cant each faction offer an upgrade of the weapons they endorse, and why cant you buy some of these in the first place?
When Datto started talking about The Dark Below entering the testing faze I started laughing. The Dark Below was/is locked content already on the disk. That why it took a couple seconds to download
If this is suppose to be an rpg with raids they then need to treat it as such. Similar to world of Warcraft when a new raid comes out the old doesn't become useless. It becomes a stepping stone to the next raid. As follows:
Quests -> strikes/vendor -> VoG -> CE.
You should not be able to go from vendor gear to CE. Vendor gear should cap at 29. VoG cap at 30. CE cap at 32. (33 hard).
To able able to buy the game today, Level to 20, and skip VoG entirely. Makes the time they spent developing the raid a waste of time.
I agree completely.
Good review :)
My problem is something others haven't mentioned. In addition to all the other problems we now have too many currencies/materials. I went to buy the Runed Core from Eris but couldn't because I didn't have enough inventory space! We've got commendations, ascendant and radiant materials, planet materials (Spinmetal, etc.), exotic shards, weapon parts, and class specific armor upgrade materials. There's just too much! They couldn't put something in the mission section that NEVER gets used? They need to consolidate it somehow because there's definitely not enough space for it in the vault.
There is a thing called a vault
Max Longarini
and no space in the vault... (end of what Sensory said) plus i really dont want to have to go back the vault all the time to switch items around. or have to fill vault swap chars empty swap back put rest in vault swap again to grab the rest even starting with an empty vault.