Destiny Taken King: Thoughts on the April Update
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2016
- The April Update is here...so, how is it? Let's have a chat. For a slightly different perspective that will likely leave you angry, read the rest of the description.
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A Casual Dream, A Hardcore Nightmare:
So, I couldn't put these thoughts into the video because they're from the perspective of a hardcore player and whenever I talk from my hardcore perspective, I get destroyed by all of you. I wanted to name this video "A Casual Dream, A Hardcore Nightmare: The April Update," but I'm gonna guess that wasn't gonna go over well because no one likes hardcore players.
As a hardcore player, I'm disappointed in this update because Bungie has essentially casualified this game to the most casual I've ever seen it. Don't get me wrong, for the majority of the player base, this is a good thing to do, it just sucks as a hardcore player. The one thing that I thought I could be hardcore with, Prison of Elders, doesn't have global leaderboards. I have nothing to strive for. If you're not a hardcore player, you're not likely to have this train of thought and instead may view hardcore players as selfish or elitist. But, I'm gonna ask you to TRY to put yourself in the shoes of a hardcore player for the rest of this read.
What do hardcore players enjoy? Standing out. We enjoy having that status symbol to chase that maybe not everyone can get. Achievements, titles, mounts, or in Destiny's case: shaders, emblems, even ships. We have a sense of accomplishment that we seek to fulfill. We don't like things that may alter that sense of accomplishment because there's just this thing in our brains that pokes at us that says, "you need to have the cool thing that other people don't have." Sometimes, it's fine to not show off. But sometimes, we like to brag.
What did the hardcore have in the first part of year? Well, it wasn't the most glamorous, but grinding to 320 light, getting the "challenge" modes done, shaders, whatever. There were those things to go for that not everyone was able to get, there was that extra mile to grind out if you wanted it, but it didn't affect the game. I don't want those bonus things to affect gameplay. I don't need a gun that annihilates everyone in PvP or destroys in PvE...I'm just looking for an emblem or a shader here and there.
Skip to now. Max light can be earned in a couple of weeks from almost every activity in the game, so that's out. Prison of Elders leaderboards don't exist, so that's gone...anything else to go for? Not really. Exotics? Three of Coins, that's out. And the worst part is? To get the sweet looking gear, the most efficient way is to buy yourself there. Typically, the most badass stuff was earned in the end game. I'm sure the PoE gear looks great, but c'mon y'all. The Taken and Chroma gear is where it's at. So, months later, I finally get a set I can use. Who cares at that point?
Even Prison of Elders challenge is casual as hell. No death penalties, no penalties for wiping, nothing. Taking too long? Don't worry, because the points taken away from you are not even noticeable.
Of course, I can't argue about this or get mad because it's free. And free stuff appears to be immune to criticism. There's nothing I can say. I don't understand what is so difficult about throwing the players who continue to play the game way past due a bone as a "thanks for continuing to play and hype the game and stuff," thing. Oh wait, it's because they don't care about that because of the reasons mentioned in the video. "We're gonna have leaderboards for PoE! Except they won't be global and the ones we DO implement will be completely broken." Wonderful. Destiny just continues to be a game not for the hardcore.
Bungie can throw micros at you all day though, that's fine. If Bungie can design two sets of armor (one of them coming with a completely new customization feature) for microtransactions, they can design one fucking shader or emblem linked to one activity goal for people who do cool shit in the game. Gimme a break.
Can't complain about it because Bungie doesn't appear to care about hardcore players, can't complain about it because the content is free, can't complain about it because casual players will just shit on you for having a different perspective or wanting to experience certain things in a certain way. Thanks for supporting Destiny, hardcore players, now get destroyed.
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The real video is in the description, folks.
+Tainted Knives true
Honestly i like your description much better than the video, sums up more or less why i stopped playing Destiny
At least his honest, unlike More- *cough cough console.
Damn Datto went IN in the description.
Datto, you shouldn't be worried, this is your channel and you're free to express your own opinions on it and if people don't like it, fuck em!
Destiny was so good when the taken King was released, but 3 months later it was becoming very stale. I'm just gritting my teeth and waiting for some news on Destiny 2/an expansion. It's a shame because when Destiny is good, it's REALLY fucking good. But when its stale.......
I don't care what anyone says a fucking PVP change SHOULD NOT AFFECT PVE & it's fucking bullshit that they ruined our snipers & machine guns that we use in the raid & I don't see much of a difference in special drops... They dropped the sniper ammo way to much in PVE & it's all because of a PVP issue.. Why is Bungie STILL NOT separating the balance patches between PVE & PVP ?!?!?👀 They are two totally separate worlds & SHOULD be treated as such!!!! This is ridiculous that this game is this far into its cycle & they still haven't found a way to balance each side separately which IM SURE CAN BE DONE!
+cjrun24 ikr it's fucking bullshit. I've done the raid three times all way through.
pros:
the chance of the exotic chest dropping an exotic seems to have increased
Cons:
it's so fucking annoying how u can hold so much less ammo for machine guns and snipers. especially machine guns
the drop rate for ammo doesn't seem to of increased atall
also normal gear is broken and is Dropping usually way higher than hallowed. not sure whether good or bad change
+cjrun24 of coarse it can be done but they said along time ago they wanted the guns to be the same in all modes
+Aaron Mcclure but that's stupid. u want stuff to be the same in two totally different modes
parrot purple its stupid to want the same gun to perform the same in all play modes so players get use to the feel and its consistent? Personally I think a gun behaving differently depending on where your using it is stupid ugh is it the same gun or not?
Great video
thanks
Celebrity appearance :O
It's willis gaming!
Willis you play way too much division lol
fuck you enoying uk bitch
I miss year 1. I became "hardcore" in early 2015. I remember the feeling of finally getting level 32 from a IB chest. After that i was hooked. I remember getting killed by thorn in the crucible, and I was so exited when i GOT the bounty for it, and used a weekend gathering those voidpoints. I distinctly remember thinking "i am on the same power level as Datto" when i finally reaced light level 32. If i just got everything handed to me insted of earning it, IT wouldn't nearly has the same impact on me.
Or you can buy 25 sterling treasures and make a sick unboxing video, how about that? 😂
+Marco Bessa I actually had a "video" prepared that was me walking up to Tess, hovering over the Sterling Treasure and saying, "...nah." Didn't follow through though.
+Datto Datto, give us your no holds bar review and your honest opinion on the update. I appreciate your honesty and criticism
+1980albatros Most of it is in the description from the perspective of a hardcore player. If you don't care about that perspective, then you're not going to like it.
+Datto I completely agree with what's in the description. I just blend in with everyone else now and ppl thought I was a scrub yesterday becos I hadn't done much to get up my light yet. thers lots of ppl already 335 and looking badass. like the only way good way to get chroma gear or desolate is sterling treasure. which u can only get 3 a week. Not 3 on each character. and I haven't even got one in the postmaster. so I get 2. thx bungie. While the casual gamers look bad ass becos they just bought sterling treasure until they had all the cool shit
+Datto also consider what they would've lost if they didn't bring more content, trust me it wasn't completely free due to microtransactions. Overall it's a step in the right direction, but even tho I'm not a hardcore player I feel they should deserve something for thier investment into becoming a hardcore player. even if it's just shaders
Best description I've ever read on UA-cam. It's a shame you feel the need to hide your real opinion Datto, but I know why you do it. The causal fanbase is cancer, and somehow still remain completely mindless about Destiny. I haven't played since December, and the description of this video and the video itself tells me I made the right choice.
3:58 jesus christ rip that psyon
That's +10 range, in ya face!!!
Still way better than the Division. :)
+Michael D. Both become stale rather quickly. To each their own.
+Michael D. thats a bold false opinion destiny on life support right now
+Michael D. i think i like division more than destiny Dark zone is so much fun
+Michael D. If I started them both at the same time from scratch I would agree however, Destiny is dead to me and even this fairly large update isn't enough to get me back into the destiny universe. I'm having way more fun with the Division right now but that too will be dead in a year. Hopefully they add enough to tie me over until Destiny 2.
+Ken Foo maybe because its 2 years old and division is a couple of weeks?
that moment when the description is better than the video.
datto, you don't have sensor yourself. it's you're channel; it may be a cliche but haters are gonna hate. if anything, hearing the hardcore perspective would be a nice breath of fresh air, since that's actually the minority's voice, not the majority.
Agreed. The more bungie hears less of hardcore players, the more they'll make the game for casuals.
+Satoru I It feels like you're saying casual games are a bad thing. It's kinda bad for destiny, because although the more casual players got some new stuff, the small (but still important) group of hardcore players didn't get much. But when you talk about games as a whole, I have to disagree with you. Different types of games aren't bad at all. More people get to have fun with them, and can possibly make a more committed player out of it. However, I have yet to see a game studio "go casual" in a way that makes their fan base hate them. You might say bungie is doing it, but this update is to help the majority during the content drought. As with no man's sky? I would love to play that game, and I sure hope you have fun with it, but I hope you don't think that just because grandmothers can play games means that you can't enjoy games like No man's sky, or Dark Souls 3, or GTAV, or League of Legends, or Final Fantasy XIV, or World of Warcraft, or Fallout 4...
I think this would be a great update if this was something we got every month.
That would be so good!
Every month would be too difficult for the understaffed live team. Every 2 would be reasonable
Now that would be sweet. Monthly update to a specific expansion would help with game a lot. Doesn't have to be monthly since of course time is required to create content but maybe every two months. Also there really isn't a story that you can tell a friend about Destiny. Make one up? Sup but that's lame. So we're forced to go to Bungie.net to read cards containing lore of the game. I really don't understand why is it so hard to tell a story. Many game now a days you with less popularity than Destiny can explain what the story is. People like Merlain game do a great job of at least help us understand the lore even if it isn't 100% correct. Bungie needs to work on that eventually. Sure Chroma is fun and all but at some point the game's story needs to be told. But for now I'll be swiming in Glimmer lol.
+Aaron Ainaire Shit, aint that the dream. This would be a really nice size for a months gaming I think. But now we wait till what November? Or Destiny 2 in 2017?
how do I unlock the winters run strike? I've been doing the heroic playlist and it hasn't come up yet.
It's only free with ttk so do think at all that we might have already paid for it with ttk ? just curious on yours thoughts on that subject
Been away from the game for about 5 months. Not gonna lie this update is pretty refreshing
+Conor Baker Don't grind for two long (:
I've died from a lot of fusions lately. Sidearms as well. I'm also seeing weapons I didnt know exist.Very refreshing hope it lasts for some time, but eventually a new meta will and shall come.
how do you actually get the year 2 winters run strike
Great thoughts. Mine exactly. The only thing I'm hyped about is the fact that the grind I already do put in will be more rewarding toward getting multiple alternatives in my arsenal at max light. Can't be upset with that!
I guess this is the problem with their idea that they could slide in gambling microtransactions to pay for content down the road. There's no guarantee they'll make that content, or how much, or when they'll release it. I think I actually miss the paid DLC times. I wonder if people realize that their paid emotes are their substitute for a raid or other content.
I agree with you Datto when you say that high quality players should have a way to stand out. They put in the time and the effort to get there and should get something that the rest of us will want to strive for. As some one who doesn't regularly complete raids and such, I enjoy having those things out there as goals that can keep me going for a while
I don't agree because im a casual player who doesn't strive for the best (unlike most people). Im am thoroughly happy with this update unlike the division bullet sponge shooting rocket tank thing. This update sparked a more to grind, since by doing any activities i was rewarded better gear which is pleasing for all. Remember this was a free update, not an EXPANSION.
You must be pretty new to the game with comment
How do you guys get the new Archon Priest strike? I can't find it...or maybe I'm stupid
+Airsoftking253 Same, i cant seem to locate it either
I quit playing like just a little bit after the start of Kings Fall so I never got to complete kings fall hard. I swore I would never play again because I just started to hate the game. Does the update make the game worth playing?
datto what would you think of next tuesday a hard challenge of the elders came out and later some taken king style challenges?
+dkcholo's gaming channel and if leader boards are fixed and everything, give people some time, you know that bungie is working on destiny 2 and keeping people satisfied with destiny, a hardcore shader/emblem/armor set/whatever is needed but you have to realize that this is the 1st time a single player can get max light relatively easily with one or two friends and not a clan behind them, and those 1-3 friends are really what it seemed destiny was based around from the beginning and has never happened, those are also the people who buy the game in quantities all the hardcore players could never hope to get.
i hope that wasn't to confusing
just give bungie some time and some slack, you can get mad if they do nothing about it by mid-end of summer
For me I'm happy with the changes, got so tired of running the raid and not getting what i need to get to 320 light...now I have the opportunity to do other things to get to higher levels and not be stuck at 318 anymore!
I can't put 20+ hours a week in this game as I have real life to do. thanks Bungie.
+dankbobby same here, man. I've been stuck at 319 light since the Crimson Doubles event wrapped up.
The progression is really good now. A long, but consistent, slow and steady grind is optimal rather than a heavy RNG quick boost or slow burn.
As a very casual player (like I play this game for a couple of weeks every few months) I'm pleased to see the high end content isn't cut off for me ie: I can potentially get to light 320 just by running heroic strikes, I do like feeling I can reach a reasonable power level by myself (like you could in HoW via the faction vendors selling gear that could get you to light 32).
But I do also agree there should be those niche items/unlocks for the hardcore player base who want flaunt their stuff around as symbols of their achievement, perhaps not necessarily a greater power level but just something cosmetic that looks really good.
Regarding the new armour sets being purchasable it's a smart business move by Bungie as it's good looking stuff that quite alot of people will fork out some money for, so they'll probably make a return on whatever money was required to make this update. Again as a casual I like the idea of cool stuff being accessible, but of course by virtue of it being more accessible it becomes less cool as there isn't that status symbol behind it like the hard mode raid gear, it just shows you have expendable income =P .
+KjcKiesh well there are a few items you have to earn so to speak like the exotics No time to Explain, The Chaperone, Exotic Class Items, Touch of Malice, and a few that I have forgotten about obviously. The HoW stuff is only available via the 320 strike in prison so there is the achievement thing still around.
Guys what does he mean by both strikes? I have only done Malok and have no understanding of how to do winter's run. I have a PS4 but I don't remember a strike other than Malok. help please.
Winters run was remodeled. You can access it by going to Venus and looking for the strike icon in the top left of the map
ZERO Oandasan Does it look different than the regular strike? Also is there a necessary quest to unlock it?
Thoughts on the revive snipe changes?
Is there a actual "custom" pvp mode and how (if it's real) to get it. Also if you you think the engram dropping higher than your current gear just to good? Like if you agree. I think the engram increase was to much maybe it's too much. Also it makes Destiny easier to beat which makes it not last as long,
Feel free to criticism it, your feedback can help make future stuff better. I read your description and I agree with a lot of your points. Although I've stepped away from the game for a while and I do end up benefit from the changes, it feels like those who stuck with it when there was no content in sight ended up being neglected. In year one, Destiny was pretty much all I played and it felt awesome to have all this cool exclusive stuff that I earned so I know what you're getting at. Hopefully since you are recognized by Bungie maybe we could see the things in the future that cater the hardcore players.
Not an hardcore player but I completely understand where you come from after reading your description. I still encourage you to make a video about it.
is the grenade throw animation diffirent?
I'm loving the new balancing update for crucible. I'm seeing EVERYTHING now. Scouts, autos fusions, shot guns snipers, handcannons. It's great!
Bungie doesn't know how to fix guns in pvp/pve without destroying them in the alternative
Exactly, they need to learn how to separate the balance patches between PVP & PVE cause I'm sure it can be done!
Why do need to change things that both effect PvP and PvE.
If something is OP in PvP, the nerf that is applied to said OPPO object shouldn't be effect in PvE.
For example Shotgun nerf, Handcannon nerf, ammo nerf and Super nerfs are a prime example.
*OP
+Harrison Chheav i cant believe after such a long time this is still a problem.. it is extremely difficult for the live team to split the game in two and balance both part of that. bungie right now just isnt a capable enough company to keep up with bigger firms. It takes a lot of time to fix something only in pve and frankly i would rather have all the people in the studio developing destiny 2, rather than fixing small issues right now
I'm hoping in Destiny 2 they have learned from their mistakes and will have a system in place that fixes this issue.
+Marko Wojtkowiak (Shadowalker811) um Bungie have a lot of money. if they actually listened to us I guarantee they could do it.
They don't want things to feel different between modes. For example, it'd be jarring for a player to have their firebolt grenades last different lengths between pve and pvp
How do you create a clan on destiny?
Description parallels my thoughts exactly. I love destiny, but I can't stay invested without cool rewards for difficult things to strive for. Great video as always Datto.
I've just now come back to this game after not playing for 7 months, it seems like not a lot has changed and I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing but I am worried I've missed out on a great deal of information regarding top tier everything armor, weapons etc
I love you Datto. I haven't played destiby in a while and you're the only destiny youtuber I'm still subbed to. I've been wishing for something to bring me back but nothing will. Hopefully something soon...
It feels like everything is way too easy to earn. But, the biggest problem is the special ammo reserves nerf. It is absolutely terrible. I was doing Warpriest earlier today and the majority of my team had run out of special ammo when we had about 1 or 2 full stacks of time left. I had to just switch to my primary which doesn't stagger him, and it felt like I was shooting nerf bullets at him.
+Znade Yeah, they shouldn't have touched it in PVE...actually they shouldn't have nerfed anything for pve since there wasn't an issue with anything.
Thumbs up for the description.
Why is the vault size not increased like they said it would?
I hear what you are saying Datto. I am on your side. I didn't know what to expect from the update, but so far nothing is really giving me a big thrill. September if quite far away.
I have 2,000 + hours in this game and I'm only light 314 just simply Bc I couldn't get any good drops from anything from trails to the raid. I was there for the grind in year one but the year two grind felt like to much and I'm very happy with the loot changes
Well if the specter/taken armor was needed to be earned instead of bought...
I looked at the bungie.net leaderboards just yesterday, and it had all my destiny friends on it...
is hawkmoon the best pve gun now?
"But Datto, it's free" - Sorry if people are sick of shooting at blights.
Datto, we love your tangents, don't ever stop rambling :)
I don't really know how to feel about this update. They did good changes (like the loot drops) but also some questionable ones (ammo reductions). The problem for me is the lack of new content. Prison of Elders is the same arena as before, with a few more bosses and a scoring system. Nothing that stands out but it is fun for now.
The "mission" isn't even worth mentioning as it is basically "Look there is this new bad guy, go chase him while endless mobs of enemies cover him and he escapes anyways". Both the Strikes feel to me like they put it together and cranked the annoyance level up to max, Especially Malok. I don't know why but it feels cheap to bring a new boss who basically just uses the ability of other Taken enemies one after the other while the area is covered in stuff that severly limits your abilities.
And then there are no new exotics other than the PS exclusive one (fuck that) and not even a revamped arsenal in the tower, just perk swaps.
Now on one hand I have to acknowledge that this was done by the live team and considering the man power the amount of content MIGHT be justified. HOWEVER, I as a player should not have to care about this.
If they want to keep us playing they should put the effort and manpower needed for a substantial content update including a new Raid, several new Strikes and Missions, etc.
You have to keep in mind that it is now half a year after TTK launched. The last weeks (or even months?) people were complaining about the content drought and the thirst for new content. The next big update is scheduled for fall which is another half a year away. Compare half a year in which we experienced everything new that came with TTK to the next half year where we experience everything new that came with this comparably small update... Maybe they will actually bring the old Raids back in the months between now and the next big update but if not I'm not really sure how this is supposed to last.
TBH This is the opposite of COD. You get a massive game at the start and small DLCs while in destiny it's a small game with large DLCs. Guess which gets more money
+Ben Gamer hard to tell, they're both made by activision
+SirLugash Yeah. I think they really should consider bringing back the last few strikes into year two and bring back the older raids with some updated rewards and give people even more activities to earn loot and rise up their level. I hear from so many people how they miss the vault of glass.
Can they play it? yeah, ofcourse they can still play it, but the level difficulty and the new exotics and subclass changes and additions, the vault is just too easy with the current level. back in the day, it was a pretty great challenge without being full of mechanics or bullshit amounts of majors.
How to make CoE challenging and fun:
•30 second revive timer
•enemies are actually hard to kill
•deduct 5 thousand score for wiping
•add mechanics that require teamwork (such as making all three people have to defuse the splinter mines, or making the splinter mines really hard to destroy so that everyone has to chip in)
•score harder to get
•more reasons to come back
•more bounties
That's just my opinion but I think overall it would make it harder and more fun.
+:II:DELeted :I Thats who to make it hard. Thats bullshit. I don't have time for harder content. Destiny has been catering to no lives until now
I agree with all of your points in the description, I consider myself a casual-hardcore in between. And I, myself is disappointed with the lack of difficult content and them pretty much cutting the difficulty of getting to max light by over 1/2. I love that I feel max light is attainable, but I don't like that it's so easy to get there.
The "hardcore" players are basically average players with groups of friends to complete raids with. I logged hundreds and hundreds of hours on Destiny but I'm not the type to depend on 5 other people to get top tier gear (raids). That's why I haven't played in a long time.
That being said, does this update allow me to grind Strikes/Prison of Elders to get the highest tier gear?
+Jihf well u can grind strikes for exclusive gear like the taken shotgun which can drop at 335, and of course grind the prison for the exotics, ghosts etc. but its definitely much easier
personally i like the update, it gives you more ways to collect loot and find exotics you don't already own, and for a player like me who started about half a year ago that helps get my mind off of the raid and ToO for a while
+Psyconaught Gaming Exactly...the Raid is for the raid weapons, colors, emblems, and so on..not just the only way to level up to max level...thank God...and yes i'm enjoying this update also. :)
They didn't do this for fans, they did it to try to keep the dying player base from jumping ship.
That's still doing this for the fans. If you keep playing then pure obviously a fan of the game.
Why would they need to worry about the player base leaving when every console game that has ever come out puts out a set amount of content and then goes years in between games? With Destiny 2 the player base will return and most likely in bigger numbers like every game ever.
Hows hawkmoon after 2.2?
I would love to have hardcore player status items in the game. Except one problem, I'm in a cycle where being a hardcore player makes my family think I need to do something else, meaning I go entire weeks or even months without touching my console, while thinking about playing again the whole time I'm gone. What I'm saying: being a hardcore player who wants to play destiny as if it was a job ends up forcing me into casual status through skill decay
+Ascended Lazare this.. holy shit this..
I never was a hardcore player, but agree with everything you posted in the description. Destiny is essentially a mobile game on console trying to masquerade as an MMO with 1/100th of the content. I also think the developer is heavily handcuffed by Activision in this case as well, but either way, Bungie seems more concerned with milking microtransactions than they do with putting actual meaningful, long lasting content into Destiny.
So I never like to enter the pits of youtube comment sections, but I gotta bite the bullet and let you know that hardcore players is what makes games exciting for me. I'm MODERATELY casual, (tiny bit try-hard) and I love this update, but I put in a lot of youtube time watching you guys be awesome and accomplish things I can't do. I would have loved to see leaderboards and challenging content that you could excel at. I appreciate your acknowledgement of Bungie being a business and having limited man hours to devote to this stuff, it seems like something a lot of players don't consider. But at the same time I'm sure your videos making little suggestions go a long way at Bungie and help them make decisions.
I feel your pain datto. I am happy we have more ways to get gear but it just seems well not enough for me
Well Datto, as someone who WAS a hardcore Destiny player through the Taken King, I COMPLETELY feel and empathize with your frustration. I always reveled being a person who got things first, did things first, had all the stuff, the max light, etc... but after I got all of that and did everything from the Taken King (fought RNG to 320), I stepped back a bit waiting to hear what was next...and when i heard nothing was really coming next, I was super angry, so much so that I haven't touched the game at all since December after having put around 2000 hours into the game to that point. I waited to see what this update would do for me as that hardcore player to see if it would entice me into coming back, and I'm not the least bit interested. As you said, there's nothing to strive for if EVERYONE can get EVERYTHING. Call me selfish, but that is never the way a game like this should work. There are certain things that should be skill-locked, but there aren't, as Bungie continues to water down the game of its challenges. I understand that a lot of my ire is still leftover from the sheer anger and disappointment I felt after easing through all 3 challenge modes on the first day of each, but Bungie needs to create something, anything, just one thing that rewards and distinguishes the upper-echelon, the elite, the hardcore, the best players in the game, and I am not betting on them ever getting around to doing that because it doesn't fit into their "agenda".
+John Casaburri If you want a "skill-lock", play Trials Of Osiris. Raiding is hardly something that can be considered skill based, as it's just learning mechanics and then rinse and repeat until you've obtained everything there is to get from that raid. PVP will always be the one true "skill based" game mode, and that aspect of Destiny right now is jumping...so if you want to be "upper echelon" or "elite", earn it against sentient opponents.
+[thr33x gaming] I've been flawless through Trials in Year 1 and Year 2 enough times for me to care to play Trials any more, but in general I prefer PvE over PvP
I would put myself closer to the hardcore player than the casual player. I grinded my butt off to get to 320 on 2 of my 3 characters (last one only needed a class item), and it felt really good running around at 320 and seeing most other people around 316-319. Now everyone is basically guaranteed to get to max light even without doing any endgame content at all (save maybe for a ghost shell, I'm not 100% sure about that one), which is kind of a slap in the face to someone who did 50+ Oryx hard mode raids to get the coveted max light. Just my thoughts.
you still need to do a lot of end game stuff to get to max light dude. but this is a good thing, if people buy a game they have the right to be max light just like everyone else. when it was just the raid it was very difficult for a lot of people to rely on that to get to max light making it unfair for people who purchased the game
I was part of that Hardcore playerbase. Rushing to be the first to beat VoG and VoG Hard. To get full gear sets and unlock that Mythoclast before a nerf came. But never once did I go "Boy I'm glad I have this raid gear and these people don't" because it's NOT HEALTHY.
Comparing yourself to others in a way where you will only be happy when you are in a better position is NOT HEALTHY. And you're surrounded by people who agree with you so you just assume that's the right way of thinking. It's NOT!
+Ularg I was too. I'm glad I don't have to drop everything to raid weekly. I can play leisurely and still hit the level. I have more important things to worry about like my family and video games can be relaxing again. Sure, that's my own fault but I'm glad they have eased back on the elite gear sources.
+Ularg that's why I help people do the grind. Yesterday I carried 6 groups through the Lost to Light mission to get their Black Spindles.
Joshua Crutchfield Props man. That's great!
erratic_calm thanks
+Joshua Crutchfield That's what I ended up doing too. Helping teach people the new raid, running them through the old raids and helping them with those special missions and quests. It's always a much more fulfilling thing to help someone else up with your power instead of going "look how much better I am than you"
What I love about Datto is that when he shares his views on something he looks at both perspectives and isn't focusing on his own views all the time, which would make him bias.
So he takes pros and cons from both sides of the argument and comes up with a slightly less bias conclusion on the topic. Even if we do come to a definite conclusion, which in most cases we don't.
Overall great job Datto, and I hope you keep on making great content even though its difficult because you have to appeal to everyone.
except for his Gally nerf video. he only cared about his very biased opinion there.
What do you think about the latest Hawkmoon changes? Love? Hate?
I'm a casual player. And now with so many places to get loot, this has been nothing but a dream for me. And now I don't have to worry about 320 MIDAS in Trials two shotting me, as I have my own 320 pulse rifile. I love this update, and we've just scratched the surface of what might really come...
Is that new winters run strike a ps4 exclusive ?
what did they change for pve sniper ammo?
Can't carry as much, but more special bricks will drop from enemies
Thoughts on the April Update: it's better than Division's new shitty 3 hour bullet sponge mode in the same room
I agree
Datto do you have zen meteor
Datto, is there gonna be a new exotic weapon tier list coming soon?
The new strike is awesome, to switch the chroma delete it then have the random choice, and the desolate armor and spektar armor aren't completely guaranteed
Luke smith said before this game came out that they wanted destiny to be the next WoW and the WoW of console gaming. That is what I expected, and I can't say I haven't enjoyed destiny because I have. I have spent 100's of hours in destiny and year one was amazing up until HoW but I can't just sit back and think that this game can be so much more. Destiny has more potential then any game I have ever played, and I just hope that one day it can reach that potential. Datto your vids are always on point and your opinion's are always well thought out and I thank you for that. Good luck with everything and same to destiny. Let's hope this game can get better with time.
PVP feels balanced for the first time in ages (in terms of weapons, not classes) and for people like me who play a lot but don't have a raid team this patch has been great because I can now get to a high light level without lfg. However, I'm a day 1 player - my friend who bought the game after TTK is a higher light than me now because his rng has been better even though I carry him through POE and nightfalls. I'm not quite 'hardcore' but even I feel pissed off that I'm not better than average players now.
+Matt Napier My thoughts as well buddy!
As a causal player with a job and time constraints, I can't say that I'm upset, this is great but as a former hardcore video game player I can understand where you are coming from. I want the hard core players to have something to do, its fun watching you guys and making mental plans to join you, but at the same time its nice to see progress when I jump on for a hour or so at the end of the day and feel like I'm advancing again. So... *shrugs*
Your review in the description is how I've been feeling all of year two. I still enjoy the game, and I still play it, but the drive that was there during year one is gone. Even though this is one of my most played games of all time, somewhere in the back of my mind I know that if the game keeps being managed the way it is, I just won't be able to continue convincing myself to support it.
On the subject of the description. I absolutely agree. I would never have considered myself a "hardcore" but I was definitely dedicated. I wanted to work towards top tier stuff that not everyone would go the extra mile for. But one day I woke up and thought "what's the point". I don't get to show off, I don't get any particular status symbol, nothing. Now I don't mind a bit of grind. But there has been literally nothing new to do in the game for a long time now. It's the same shit over and over. Praying to RnG that its you, who has been playing for hundreds of hours, that gets the cool thing and not the low-level you dragged through with you. Free content is not immune to criticism. I think your true thoughts about the update should not be relegated to the description. However it's your channel and likely your job with half a million subs. So whatever you think is best. I think we can all agree that behind any hype or dedication to the game, it's been a farce from the start.
Completely agree with the description. The highest light level loot should be from the raid, trials and exotic engrams. Getting to max light won't have the same real struggle as year one
Hey Datto! At first, when I saw the video, I really wasn't impressed with what you said, it seemed as if you didn't care anymore. But then I read the description, and there's where you speak the truth, and I thank you for that. I used to play this game quite a lot, but after ttk I stopped playing, but kept up to date with news. And because of that I completely agree with everything that you said in the description.
Thanks for being awesome Datto!
I second that!! Bungie have literally TRIED to mug off the hardcore like Datto, it's pathetic and obnoxious.
I feel it is smaller than I imagined, but I am still happy with what came out of it, and right now, i am content with this content, it's fun to do with friends.
LOL the description though... I don't think I've ever seen a Datto rant...
that description sums it up...I don't care to much for leaderboards but I want something hard to do..thank god ffxiv had its recent raid patch if not Idk what I would
As a hardcore gamer and max grimoire collector.. I'm much more happier with the loot system even if it is a pinata of loot as you described. I've run the hard mode so many time and getting to 320 previously seemed impossible and completely out of my control.. With the new smart loot system there is a better feeling of progression and I honestly don't care if my teammates get there as quickly as I did.. completing the task is really the only medal on my belt.. and if you want elite gaming going flawless in trials is all that's needed to satisfy my hunger.
I think it's OK to say that the story mission we got probably should have taken longer to beat than the time it took to load into it.
The casuals should be able to reach max light just as much as the hardcore players, but hardcore players should be able to stand out, maybe with a shader or something. However, I don't think that Bungie should cater to every need the hardcore player has because they aren't much of the player base. Just my two cents, good video.
Sounds good, Datto. I haven't had the chance to update my game and play it yet, so I appreciate the reviews. As a mid level PvE player, I'm excited to experience the update for myself.
I would like to hear more commentary from you in regards to making the game more "world of warcraft investment" like and how they could potentially "keep up" any ideas? Cuz i got zippo guy. And if they are somehow able to pull that off, how do they still keep others invested in enjoying the experience. What if there was a superficial "progressions tree" for people to go after. purely cosmetic or whatever. But i like where that train of thought is going More PLEASE.
This is your channel, don't let fuckboys being butthurt over this or that affect anything.
As someone who used to do raiding a lot, i really get it. Vog and crota's end were things i did a lot easily beaten. For some reason however i can't seem to get passed golgoroth without my system freezing, and its only golgoroth that does it. Most teams found it too much of a hassle and just invited someone else, the rest were just low skill level teams who fell apart before beating oryx so i have yet to beat the taken king. I like that's its easier to level up, but hate how easy fights are
I read your criticisms in the description and I can see your point. I just get annoyed with the people that said this was underwhelming or that Challenge of Elders was easy but then give no deeper criticism than that. It was basically free and they could've just done nothing at all.
However, I think you're right. They could have at least make the leaderboards fucking work. They could've definitely made a new shader for the hardcore players to chase. It doesn't take an entire team to make one or two shaders, at least I hope not. I like that they made the loot drop more frequently but I'm not sure I like that it will mostly drop above your light level. I think that takes away from the longevity of the game. I think the max light level should be achievable by doing difficult end game activities and not just the raids. Though, I also think there should be something extra for the hardcore players to chase. I don't think that's a criticism of the update; I think that's a criticism about the game overall. I don't think there was much for the hardcore players to chase after and that is unfortunate and should be corrected.
I'm mostly a casual player who hops on every other day to play, so this update seems fine to me. But for the hardcore players who expected more I can see where the disappointment comes from.
Wish you didn't feel you needed to stop yourself Datto! I like hearing your honest thoughts and opinions and it makes me sad that you feel pressured by the community into only talking about the game in a positive light
I agree with the leaderboards they should put some kind of leaderboard in to see your ranking globally or locally at least.
When Datto curses even in the description, then you know somethings wrong
How can you show a positive rating on the video? By just saying, great vid, I enjoyed it immensely
Hopefully these big updates are more frequent in Destiny 2. Every couple of months just revamp the old modes, some new loot etc. Makes the 4-5 month waits between Real DLC much easier to handle
Ha. You'll need to buy all of Tess's emotes for Bungie to even consider something like that. And what DLC are you talking about? There hasn't been any in 8 months.
I did the questlines on all three characters and to be honest i really don't care to rush to 335 without actual content to be obtained. I did enjoy the taken's version of the winter run but like you said... It's free
i 100% love the hardcore resons im not a hard core player my self but i dont call my self a normal eather
Just got my twitch back, what is Dattos twitch name so I can follow him
Should be in the description, or just wait until he streams. He shows when he streams on UA-cam.
just one thing I'm complaining about is that we wanted weapon camouflage not weopon glowsticks.But that's just me