It’s all a little deja vu for when the X6 was released 12 years ago. The masses hated it and the concept of an SUV coupe was blasphemous, yet look how successful the X6 has become. In all my years of driving luxury and sports cars, I have never been at a restaurant and had 2 different people come up to me to introduce themselves because they wanted to ask about the XM. It’s definitely love or hate and BMW definitely succeeded in creating a talking point and a concept for the future. It’s like a Jackson Pollock. To most they are a worthless canvas of non-sensical drippings yet some are prepared to pay tens of millions for them.
China will buy BMW regardless of how they look simply for the prestige. Same with all the other mindless people around the world who want to be better than their neighbors. China are buying more because they have more people. Duh. Y'all want to blame so bad...
You might sometimes dislike a certain part of a car, possible the grill or the rear three quarter, but eventually you might get used to them & they might just grow on you. But, in the case of the current BMW car designs it’s not just the grill, it’s not just the lights, it’s the whole side & rear view, in fact it’s everything about the design, so I’m sorry but they are so bad that they will always be the exact opposite of what we have liked about a BMW. Good exciting sporty designs.
I am Chinese and I myself also felt ludicrous with the humongous kidney grill. It is because in China, the bigger the grill means your got bigger status like boss. Meanwhile, my parent are very superstitious people and they forbid me buy to buy one even if I could. They says it is like driving with two large tombstones and this is bad luck.
Yes because 99% of chinese are npc's. What the hell the bigger the grill the bigger the status. You guys are trippin over there and thanks for ruining the beatiful brand.
I'm a middle-aged man well into his 50s...I remember with nostalgia the BMWs from when I was a kid, I'm talking about those from the 70s and 80s, in my opinion the best...They were charming cars with great build quality, and a sober and personal design! It's a shame that they have become distorted, now they no longer convey anything positive to me..
"Subtlety has left the building" That can be said about some BMWs, but also Lexus cars and Audis ... The "uglification" of BMWs started with the E65 pre-facelift 7 Series and was reloaded in the new G70 7 Series.
Unsubtle can be done well, and can be done poorly, the same with subtle, it’s not that BMWs have become flashy, look at the i8, it’s flashy and beautiful, it’s that they’ve become ugly.
Some designs are just not proportional so they’ll never look good. The pre facelift E65 was ugly when it came out and is still ugly compared to the facelift and the F01. I’m hoping this is just a phase for BMW and they’ll facelift these cars to make them beautiful again
@@hugonubario Except Bangle's designs have gone on to age well, at least, in my opinion. More and more people are starting to come around Bangle's designs. If his designs were considered unbearably ugly to the point where BMW enthusiasts and purists have accused him of "killing" BMW, that's because they weren't ready for his design style compared to the boxy BMWs of old. Fast forward years later, other automakers would model their designs after his style and thinking. Besides, Bangle followed BMW's design principles, like the angle eye headlights and Hoffmeister kink. Modern BMWs, on the other hand, have nothing in correlation to the old BMW design elements.
I fall in love with everything Aston Martin makes right when it launches and I still love it 10 to 20 years later and beyond. The very best design is beautiful from the start and forever afterwards.
I heard that, to the Chinese, the Rolls Royce, with it's large rad grille, is the ultimate status symbol, so for this reason they prefer large rad grilles.
I mean they’re also clowned in Asia for having bad taste in about every way, fashion, cars, interior design. This is only true of mainland Chinese. A lot of Chinese diaspora in in other parts of east and SE Asia look down on mainland Chinese.
Seems to me the Chinese only care about status symbols, to show off they have money, that’s why they eat shark fin soup, which tastes hideous but is super expensive, they buy rosewood furniture which is nearly extinct but very expensive, they don’t care if they destroy the last rosewood tree, it more important to show off.
If BMW thinks that their “Beaver Tooth” front grills and chaotic body lines are going to “grow on me”, I suggest they take a long look at Acura’s “Beak” era - ugly is ugly - and that can be a huge turn-off for some buyers. If this is an exercise in catering to the Chinese market, that’s fine - BMW can make that choice, but don’t be surprised when a competitor comes along and eats their lunch in other markets.
same here. life long bmw guy, had several m's , z's and i'll never go back to them. what they put out now is just unforgiveable. i'll go for either a alfa stelvio or giulia. great looks, great driving, great sound and a ferrari motor inside....couldn't ask for more. also, much cooler dealers. i went there unannounced and could testdrive both cars without time limit and alone by myself. the guy even revved the giulia in the showroom while they had some delegation next. such a lad. try that at a bmw dealership lol. these alfas just know what a driver wants
@@kellyshannon18 Yeah same here. The offensive response from BMWs PR department when challenged on the styling and the luke warm response from their management to the comments made me really dislike the brand beyond unnecessarily ugly cars (by the way, it's not just the grill that is ugly, there are a lot of poor design elements on the current 2 and 4 series)
BMW should build another product line for enthusiasts with original BMW design language and with loaded new technologies. New design language gives me stomach ache. I am still struggling to accept the front grill of G80 which leads the terrible looking front end.
I've never purchased a BMW. My next car coming this summer, is a M440i X convertible. The design, as well as the motor, convinced me to put my money on the table.
Sold my E39 a few months ago n I miss it. That car was awesome. Owned it for 10 years and I feel like I need to get another one. To me the E39 is the last of the great looking BMWs
@@boxoffisa I had an E39 M-Sport a few years ago, it was fairly reliable but it ALWAYS leaked oil, mostly from the rocker cover. They're renowned for it.
I said this 15 years ago, people laughed at me. BMW, Mercedes are designing their cars to please the Chinese customer. And the Chinese guy who pays premium for his BMW, wants it instantly recognizable among the one million cars in the Chinese traffic that he drives a BMW and not a Buick or an Chevy. Hence the barndoor sized grills.
I found a pattern, the iX, M4, M2, XM, 7-Series are the example of commonly hated cars. I hated them at first too. But then about a year or so, I somehow started to love them. I seriously think they're beautiful. Maybe I'm weird but it's just my preference so please don't judge me for my taste. But one thing we all know is that BMW's always been like that and they still drive great.
im not judging you but from a design stand point the cars design just doesn't flow and it is genuinely hideous also the fact that the cars don't follow much from their ancestors either
The m4 is basically a ford mustang mixed with honda accord coupe with bmw logo in the front an the back , had nothing to do with bmw , an the issue with m3 design is not the shape of its body nor the fenders , those looks good tbf , the biggest issue with m3 design is the bumpers both of them an the front grill only , those r the things that makes this car so so ugly , I believe if those two things got a redesign from other person than the current rubbish designer I think the car will look fantastic , the new m2 I believe the designers were Influenced by the game called roblox they were looking an playing with it a lot to the point that they had to to do a real live model ..
If some of these cars didn't look like copies of Korean cars, it wouldn't bother me so much. Admittedly, they are IMPROVED designs, but I still get "Kia" vibes from them.
@@donkedic1 Didn't they release the Kia vehicles first before BMW took this approach to the design? My neighbor has had a Kia for at least 2 years before BMW released a similar SUV, again with an improved design, but the similarities are obvious (to me).
@@jaybockstoce It’s always been a game of “what came first…chicken or egg” For me, I always felt like Kias had that derivative German design language, because of the 2 poached lead designers. Hyundai, on the other hand takes queues from Volvo. But that’s just me…or is it?
are you shocked? asians own most everything, and I think they own German car companies now and maybe aren't really letting it be know that they do, I bet thats the case.
@@donkedic1 in 2018 they started copying m3 looks in the stinger... they put a carbon fiber roof on it... like come on dude you cant get this obvious....
Interesting perspective. I’ve had several bmw’s e30, e36, e46 (my favourite) and e90 (yes, this one was a bit uglier). They were all great to drive and looked nice. I came back to BMW in 2023 with a new g87 M2. I ended up selling it after 3 months - I just couldn’t stand to look at that ugly thing - everything about it was hideous, and it didn’t even drive that nice as a daily driver - it was DULL and BORING to drive, and I even had the manual! Yes it was fast and handled the road well, but it was so dull - it didn’t feel like an edgy sports car. I now have a Giulia Quadrifoglio - so happy, looks fantastic, drives like a dream, and is fun even at slow speeds.
No matter what the E90 3 series is the best looking BMW in my opinion as it is the generation that I've grown up seeing and is what BMWs should look like.
As for me the E39 and E46 is the most beautiful design in BMW history. The E60 and E90 looks just okay for me , even though the design is out shift from it origin DNA . And lastly the E30 and E36 are a proper Ultimate Driving Machine for track day.
The e46 hasn’t dated that well - loved them when they were new, not so much now. The e92 has fared much better in the looks department. An e30 weekender and e92 daily drive work well for me :)
Interesting analysis. I have heard that BMW is not the highest purchased luxury brand like they were a couple of years ago, being ousted by MBZ and/or Tesla. If that is true could the design language they are following be the cause of that? I am a BMW owner for the past 20 yaers and its hard to love the look of their cars now.
@@dtman315argain brands? The TOYOTA is the top of the food chain in car Category. The most reliable and people want it. 1 brand is Toyota and Lexus are beautiful car. Your american and Europian car are completely garbage in terms of reliable, fuel efficient and SALE around the globe.
Teslas are very average when it comes to pricing and quality (maybe below average quality) look at the prices of a Taycan, that’s a true luxury EV. Compare that to a Model S. The price difference is shown in quality. Electric vehicles are just generally more expensive upfront. You can’t compare them to gas powered cars in price.
It happened to me when the 2015 hilux was introduced. I flat out hated it since the 2014 was arguably better looking, then the 2021 facelift came to be & now I'm willing to buy one. Another example is the G30, as beautiful as it could be I favoured the F10 more untill the M5 did debut, first I didn't like the AWD powered M5 untill I drove one which was MENTAL to put simply.
The hilux take is shocking. I found the car stunning when I first saw the legend 50. I only happened to see the legend 55 last year and I can say that design to so beautiful.
@@chabu2306 agree but the initial shock we've received in middle east divided people in 2. As an upside the stainless steel front bumper was an hommage for the 2002-2005. On the down side the front facia of the Vigo champ was a true hommage to the same models. And the comparison to the 2002-2005 model years is that they're sought after in the Middle East as the E30 M3 to the rest of the world.
The idea that if everyone likes the design at release is a "bad" thing in the long run is kind of interesting; but doesn't explain how other brands can pull it off. For example, if you look at a Ducati motorcycles, there are few people who can say it looks bad, even after years pass by. Same goes for Ferrari, Porsche, Audi (although I quite dislike Audi as a brand) etc.. When you look back at it, even in today's standards E46 3 series are beautiful cars for most people and was beautiful when they were first released. BMW is one of the brands that have really inconsistent history of car design in the recent decades. They make it look really good in some generations, and really bad others. At least the other brands are consistent with whether they make good, average or bad looking cars, BMW is really bad at it. I think the problem is with their design department and trying to justify it is just trying to find excuses.
the problem for me isn't the new design language per se, but the poor execution of it. there is little consistency across the design and it's clearly been overdone to the point where it falls apart. they could have hired much more talented designers who could have pulled it off i am sure.
They do hire them These designers can't stand Van Hooydonk POS and do leave without changing anything BMW lacks to produce best drivers cars o er a decade already The best driving BMW of today still wears the logo of a Toyota
Chris Bangle definitely had a dud here and there, but I think he deserves praise for moving the styling forward not just for BMW, but all carmakers. As for what's happening to BMW design today... I don't know. There are so many elements that to my mind simply do not belong on a BMW, but maybe the buying public disagrees with me.
Nah I own an E90 and I always loved this era of BMWs. The new designs have so much going on the mind can't rest on and admire anything in particular. They are different looking cars but they are not generally good-looking cars anymore.
@@AUTOdidact77 I don't need to 😊. I've owned a Bangle era E63, LCI for 14 years and counting. Its looks are really special and fresh. But I won't have a change of heart in regard to the pre-facelift E65's front end.
Ugly is ugly, I spent 2.5 hours in a BMW dealership to customize my M4. I tried very hard to tell myself it looks good, I changed my mind at last and went to get a Mercedes...
No matter how hard I try, I can never change my opinion on the iX and the XM. The iX looks like someone pulled down their pants and took a photoscan of their ass cheeks and stuck it to the front end. And the XM looks like a literal Roblox knockoff BMW car. I don't care about the performance figures they give.
I am reading the comments and I am thinking to myself, am I almost the only one that loved all BMW designs as they came out. Even looking at the older cars I think those kidney grills are too small.
So true I owned many Camrys when The new model came out I hated the rear tail lights then 2 years later I bought one it's looks grew on me cheers Stephen 🤠
The reality is that BMW is not catering to a small group of BMW enthusiasts. Majority of buyers, who never owned an older BMW model, are likely buying it due to the modern look/interior/features as evident by the increase in revenue every year (back to back) since 2020.
I just got G42, have to say when I first saw the car I was skeptical of the new design, but the car is growing on me and seems Like I am digging the new design more everyday
Ya gotta see the I7 or the new 7 series in person. I used to live in Germantown, Philadelphia, pa. My neighbor owned the pharmacy on the corner, old African guy. He has an 8 series coup and a 760 LI. The 7 looks AMAZING in person, pictures cannot do it justice.
I month ago or maybe 2 i saw the new i7 it looks alright but its just as big as a whale. I also new the M3/4cs before anounced online and yet again it looks alright. But its still bmw worst designed cars.
I saw the new 7 in person and the proportions and graphics on it are terrible. The F01 (2011) was the best and most expensive looking 7 series in my opinion
I think the problem with new designs is not the front facia , more like inconsistent design cues , as if each part of the car is designed separately, then blended together, imo.
I’m one of people who like the big kidney grill than normal kidney grill. I feel like big grill made the car look more attractive especially series 7 and XM. Damn I’ve never seen the grill has light before.
BMW have always been innovators in performance and handling of cars that were conventional. They haven't taken too many risks in the looks department till recently. I personally don't like the designs except for the 2 series... but it would be nice to see BMW go back to the classics! I think the AR Giulia has become what an old 3 series would've been. Would be nice to see BMW go back to their roots.
I loved the design of the Giulia when it first came out. Now, if it wasn't for the triangle grille, the car looks like a Toyota or maybe a Honda. Not all of BMW'S current designs "float my boat", but in a couple of years, they should still be interesting to look at. I must be OK with the new design direction as I just got a '24 M340i (which I think looks stunning).
People don't understand styling has to change what do u want em to do cont make e39 with a s58 engine ppl complain too much I love all there new designs of the BMW it's bold nd crazy like BMW always have been .
I’m here purely because I always thought the old BMWs looked pretty lame and vanilla - I actually like the direction they’ve gone in. They needed to mix it up and those big ass grills look like they could eat you if you got in the way and I’m all for it.
All i will say is watch (Ben Hardy why people are choosing BMW over mercedes) he talks about how with this new generation of cars bmw has SKYROCKETED in sales. So people do love the new direction. I use to hate the new m3 and m4 but loved their performance. With some simple aftermarket options and grilles like the adro ,Vorstiener, or csl grille they look so aggresive and dope. It also makes everyone m3 or m4 look unique and different depending on what grille they use. BMW are genius
There’s two versions of the m2 in this video, there’s the original m2 , an there’s the m2 roblox version , you have to be Specific on which version u talking about.
@@abdulgill5013 no I don’t play roblox nor minecraft too , so you’re wrong, cos ur taste much like normalise putting pineapple on a pizza 🍕 , that’s doesn’t work so as the new m2 look too , ugly vision equals ugly results just like your eyes 👀 seeing it
@@tdRockxc568 that’s the problem, people like you hate change. The new M2 looks good, sounds good, and is overall a good car. The thing here is that you’ve grown with the previous generation of BMW’s. Anything new that is different is usually controversial, just watch and wait.
"Excelent cars" is not enterely accurate. BMW is a very expensive car that fails too much. In my country, Mexico once in a trip I saw a lot of BMWs stoped at the side of the road. Evidently they had overheated, and this was not a desertic place.
I don't think they're doing anything different. All these car companies are doing big over-the-top grills. It would have been nice to see them going a different direction.
E39 5 series was the last BMW I've owned. It was also my first ever new car I bought. Loved it. Would love to buy another BMW at some point but the stars haven't been aligning in that direction unfortunately. I am however eyeing the 2024 5 series.
I drove BMWs for 30 years, including M5, 750i, 335i, 550i, so I was a loyal customer for a long time. Today I can't identify myself with the actual design language, that I name ugly for the most of the lineup, probably because I'm neither chinese nor arabic...
as a bmw lover I also agree with the ugliness of the xm... the rest of the lineup apart from the 7 series and maybe 4 series non m4 is good tho... just a lot of hate from people who liked the old design.
Elements that prevent me from being a BMW fan. Over-engineering/overly complex engine component designs. These cause premature leaks and make removing engine components a nightmare. Plastic engine components. From water pumps to coolant housings to oil pan drain plugs, not to mention valve covers and intake manifolds. Granted, everyone is doing it, but who do you think started this trend. Beauty covers. What happened to the days when a manufacturer would show off their engine? Long gone are those days. Who do you think was one of the early pioneers. A 1997 328i has an engine beauty cover, while a civic and miata still had just a valve cover. Since then everyone has gotten lazy with engine aesthetic and have collectively just slapped a chunk of plastic over their engine. Lazy. Another reason, sensor and module mania. There are sensors and electric modules for everything. All waiting to break. Give me an ECU, some window switches, and 2 fuse boxes and I'm happy. No need to go overboard. Another reason. Stigma. These people are pricks on the road. They treat all other traffic as second class citizens and act overly self-important. Routinely they fail to yeild and cut you off. It may be different in other countries, but in the US, these people are cancer. The final reason is price. There is zero reason to buy a car that costs double the price to maintain, yet has half the build quality of similarly priced vehicles. There's no point in owning a BMW beyond the warranty period because it will cost you the same price as other cars just to do the maintenance. I essentially view BMWS as the Nike of cars. Dirt cheap to manufacture, over hyped, and starts falling apart after a year of ownership (Nike, not BMW). Very rarely do BMW owners actually do their own auto maintenance. I've only met one. Tuners and modders will work on everything, but your average car owner, no. BMW owners are too posh for that. Overall, BMWs are great to lease. They're fun to drive and their PWR is greater than most. They're luxurious, have a ton of features, and make you feel rich. Since I'm not rich and value quality over cost, I would never waste my time buying one. Great vid.
Except you didn't heard of B58 engine enough, as I've heard way more story of people tuning B58 to oblivion. And guess what, Toyota is too weak to ignore the potential of the B58 that they have to poach one for their controversial A90 Supra as well. And they ranked THIRD in the annual reliability report ONLY behind Toyota and Lexus. The old stereotypes of BMW still roots in your mind that it's stubborn AF to even said that BMW of today is absolute garbage.
I owned an E39 for 3.5 years. WORST FINANCIAL DECISION OF MY LIFE! Yes, even the "economical to repair" BMW is ludicrously expensive to keep on the road. I spent approximately $18,000 on maintenance in that time, and no, it was not an M5, it was a 525i. Plus, I only did about 10K a year in it! I replaced it with a brand new Mazda3 in 2022 and couldn't have been happier with that decision!
Modern BMWs have come to resemble our artistic renderings when we were using crayons in kindergarten, with no concept of scale or aesthetics. Which might explain why the Tesla Cybertruck now exists on the same stage… 🤦♂️ 🥵 We need and long for the Automotive dedigners of the 20th century. Go back and look at cars from the 1940s-1970. They were good, unique, and most critically…”distinct”. Today in America, most cars are homogenized appliances afraid to be anything resembling unique. -career auto worker of 22 years; car guy for 27
Actually the designs of 2000's were beloved when they first came out and still held up to this day. People get used to the ugly designs not because they grow in them, but because people don't have a choice.
They can do whatever experiments they want, and set up whatever marketing and advertising schemes they want, as long it's not with my money. What is beautiful is timeless, what is ugly is…also timeless. I will always buy a car, firstly, for its appearance, and then for the rest (performance, comfort, ..). But the look, the aesthetics, has to be there from day one, or it's just a wast of time... and money. Waiting for time to pass, in the hope that the car's look "grows on me", is absolutely ridiculous.These are the type of arguments that people with no taste can use, to comfort themselves with the sad choice they made. Fortunately, there are still brands and models today that are excellent alternatives, and those are the ones I want to drive.
Sorry to tell you that, but as a designer myself, I must say it does not matter if 80s or 90s or later - the typical BMW you see on the streets ALWAYS looks like an outworn out of shape old shoe, even if it came just from the factory. Symmetry from the top down? Really? They have more like the symmetry of a smashed pancake. But thats ok, they are made for people who want to show off the much money they do not have. The wannabees, who have not the taste and knowledge to differentiate art from kitsch. You are interested in good designed cars? Then look Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Aston Martin, even Mazda etc..
Actually the new G22 440i is our dream car with my bf, he actually LOVES the design and he is an audi guy and ONLY the 4series made him fall in love enough to save up for the car and buy if in the future :)) One of my all time favourites is the BMW M4 F82, such a BEAUTY
@@philtucker1224 not once. I was just considering replacement with a different style. Mine has the chrome trim. Wasn’t sure I liked it at first but it’s grown on me.
BMW's segment is the premium level of what is, in all respect, a mass market. Styling "controversial" designs in such a competitive market, and hope that it will eventually grow on customers, is a bold move which can have dire consequences. See Ian Callum's Jaguars. The big question is, what makes a BMW different today and, contrary to what the video suggests, is not the focus on driving qualities. I personally struggle to find any new X1, X2, X3 with their 2-liter diesels (that's 80% of the BMWs in Europe) funnier to drive than their Alfa, Audi or Mercedes counterparts.
There are not many manufacturers left who at least try to have some elements of "classic beauty" in their cars. Looking at these contemporary and modern cars, it seems that almost without an exception, manufacturers produce aggressive-looking Robocop cars.
I'm a German driving an E39 for nearly 25 years now. I dislike those new designs very much. They won't grow on me, that's for sure. So I'm actually looking to buy an Audi or a Mercedes Benz - with ICE, not an EV.
I have a 2022 430i Grand Coupe with that big grille. I have never received so many compliments on a car. From perfect strangers and literally everyone who sees it. It’s uncanny! Nobody can help remarking on it, people wave at me on the street and yell “cool car” and give me thumbs up in traffic. I’ve never experienced that driving any other car. So they must be doing something right 😁 Personally I think it’s the most gorgeous car I’ve ever seen. The only fault I find with the design is if you’re required to have a front license plate and there’s no good place to put that. Lucky for me my state doesn’t require one.
I agree with your second option. We are all here debating and questioning the design because we were made to care. Smart? What can make a car enthusiast care for a particular brand in a time of (mostly) boring cars? Think about the XM (a much bigger i3), and the I3 it self. Some love it (I do) some hate it, but everyone recognizes one and talks about them.They can be unorthodox but they sure are interesting and, mainly, instantly recognizable. Smart, very smart. I don’t think China is the reason. Remember Bangle’s design controversy? No China (like today) back then. It’s, in my modest opinion, in the fabric of BMW design philosophy. I love my f10 design (much more conventional design) but I really can’t get enough of my i3. It’s made with such care, so much innovation it amazed me (and still does). Having said that I really miss my e36.
The new bmws have never grown on me, they get uglier the more I look at it. Im starting to have personal issues, this morning I saw one in my rearview mirror and it looked like an elephant with clown shoes. Thinking about it gave me a really bad migraine; my head started hurting and I felt a little dizzy, I called my boss to let him know I won't make it to work. I immediately went back home, I was feeling nauseous but luckily I held up; I took a shower, closed my blinds and went straight to bed. I couldn't believe a CAR would affect my personal life so bad, I felt so helpless, there's no way something so unimportant can dictate my life, damn! I just came here to vent about it and try to come to terms with it
Since the front is made of plastic pieces that can be removed abd replaced, couldn't they offer two front variants of a same model car, one for buyers with classic taste and another one for those who prefer a daring innovative looks.
I kind of blame Audi. They were the first manufacturer to introduce the huge gaping maw grill. At the time it was quite radical and made other cars with smaller grills look a little bit safe and old fashioned. Then a lot of the manufacturers kind of followed suit.
Funny how everyone complains about new BMWs having big grilles even though the brand's oldest models from the first half of 20th century had strange-looking grilles and barely anyone complained about it. So to all the hardcore 90s BMW purists, the power of research compels you.
IMO the biggest drivers of modern awkward designs are crash worthiness, pedestrian safety requirements, and additional cooling modules for all of the new environmental regs that are almost all government mandates.
The front of the M3/M4 is so hideous that the closest BMW dealership to me literally has 18 M4's on the lot right now. In the past, they couldn't keep them on the lot. The idea that this is some sort of ingenious master plan is ludicrous. It's just a complete fail.
I’m sorry, but Domagoj Dukej’s argument that if a car is too pretty people will lose interest quickly, but if it is ugly or controversial they will grow to love it is the biggest load of bull I’ve ever heard and a poor excuse for bad design. So the car makers expect to have to wait until the mid life update to have their design accepted, but isn’t that mid life update when they tone down the more extreme elements to make it more palatable to buyers? Dont remember being too pretty a problem for the Lamborghini Miura. Mind you, there is a great business opportunity for someone to start a styling business offering replacement toned down front fenders for BMW’s latest cars 💰
Good design is something that you want the moment you see it, not after 5 years of getting used to it.
Exactly! For BMW money, the design should have you at hello.
Disagree. Your statement is targeted at the masses. Good design sets trends which often takes the masses time to appreciate it.
@@warrenber This isn't good design, they are just ugly.
It’s all a little deja vu for when the X6 was released 12 years ago. The masses hated it and the concept of an SUV coupe was blasphemous, yet look how successful the X6 has become. In all my years of driving luxury and sports cars, I have never been at a restaurant and had 2 different people come up to me to introduce themselves because they wanted to ask about the XM. It’s definitely love or hate and BMW definitely succeeded in creating a talking point and a concept for the future. It’s like a Jackson Pollock. To most they are a worthless canvas of non-sensical drippings yet some are prepared to pay tens of millions for them.
Not necessarily
BMW is doing everything it can to raise the value of older cars. Thankyou BMW !.
Well said 💯
LMAO.... New huge grills are butt ugly !
Keeping depreciation of old BMWs to a minimum is probably a reason plastic parts are under the hood on modern new cars nowadays😂jk
Pretty much the case with most cars.
BMW just announced record sales for 2023 with sales of 2.55 million cars. Millions of people obviously disagree with you.
Dear China (if you’re indeed the reason for these designs), get some taste.
I think they're overcompensating..
Seriously I'm down for a war with China just for their taste
China: 绝不！我们优于所有设计！
China will buy BMW regardless of how they look simply for the prestige. Same with all the other mindless people around the world who want to be better than their neighbors. China are buying more because they have more people. Duh.
Y'all want to blame so bad...
@@TheFalseShepphardyou mean like those giant trucks?
You might sometimes dislike a certain part of a car, possible the grill or the rear three quarter, but eventually you might get used to them & they might just grow on you. But, in the case of the current BMW car designs it’s not just the grill, it’s not just the lights, it’s the whole side & rear view, in fact it’s everything about the design, so I’m sorry but they are so bad that they will always be the exact opposite of what we have liked about a BMW. Good exciting sporty designs.
Nope. Shit is shit, no matter how much honey is on top of it
I will never buy a BMW with the current design.
Stop waffling, it's shit.
Dont forget the interiors… those dashboards are ugly
Sheep will be sheep though. BMW knows that they can make their car look like poop and people will still buy it.
I am Chinese and I myself also felt ludicrous with the humongous kidney grill. It is because in China, the bigger the grill means your got bigger status like boss. Meanwhile, my parent are very superstitious people and they forbid me buy to buy one even if I could. They says it is like driving with two large tombstones and this is bad luck.
You gotta tell that to BMW maybe then they will go back to making good looking cars
tombstone im dead💀
@@avijitmajumdar1373 stfu let him explain
That's some real bad taste, BMW is like meant for a different reason and not that. Wtf is wrong with them.
Yes because 99% of chinese are npc's. What the hell the bigger the grill the bigger the status. You guys are trippin over there and thanks for ruining the beatiful brand.
I'm a middle-aged man well into his 50s...I remember with nostalgia the BMWs from when I was a kid, I'm talking about those from the 70s and 80s, in my opinion the best...They were charming cars with great build quality, and a sober and personal design!
It's a shame that they have become distorted, now they no longer convey anything positive to me..
nico profile pic :)
@@JanosiGe is that Geronimo the Apache?
@@Blackadder75 it is & that's my name :)
@@Blackadder75 👍
I had a 76 3.0 Si aka Bavaria
"Subtlety has left the building" That can be said about some BMWs, but also Lexus cars and Audis ... The "uglification" of BMWs started with the E65 pre-facelift 7 Series and was reloaded in the new G70 7 Series.
I heard about him
many car enthusiast accused him of killing BMW back then
Unsubtle can be done well, and can be done poorly, the same with subtle, it’s not that BMWs have become flashy, look at the i8, it’s flashy and beautiful, it’s that they’ve become ugly.
Some designs are just not proportional so they’ll never look good. The pre facelift E65 was ugly when it came out and is still ugly compared to the facelift and the F01. I’m hoping this is just a phase for BMW and they’ll facelift these cars to make them beautiful again
@@hugonubario Except Bangle's designs have gone on to age well, at least, in my opinion. More and more people are starting to come around Bangle's designs. If his designs were considered unbearably ugly to the point where BMW enthusiasts and purists have accused him of "killing" BMW, that's because they weren't ready for his design style compared to the boxy BMWs of old. Fast forward years later, other automakers would model their designs after his style and thinking. Besides, Bangle followed BMW's design principles, like the angle eye headlights and Hoffmeister kink. Modern BMWs, on the other hand, have nothing in correlation to the old BMW design elements.
The uglification started with Chris bangle,most obviously with the terrible Z3.
I fall in love with everything Aston Martin makes right when it launches and I still love it 10 to 20 years later and beyond. The very best design is beautiful from the start and forever afterwards.
Exactly. And BMW was able to design beautiful cars like that in the past but not anymore.
Just think of the Ferrari F-40. Did that ever loose its sexiness?
Great classic designs looked great the instant they took the cloth off.
I heard that, to the Chinese, the Rolls Royce, with it's large rad grille, is the ultimate status symbol, so for this reason they prefer large rad grilles.
How about Tesla Chinese try to copy their design with no grille.
I mean they’re also clowned in Asia for having bad taste in about every way, fashion, cars, interior design. This is only true of mainland Chinese. A lot of Chinese diaspora in in other parts of east and SE Asia look down on mainland Chinese.
Seems to me the Chinese only care about status symbols, to show off they have money, that’s why they eat shark fin soup, which tastes hideous but is super expensive, they buy rosewood furniture which is nearly extinct but very expensive, they don’t care if they destroy the last rosewood tree, it more important to show off.
In China, a lot of people have money but no class. They wouldn't know how to behave themselves or act normal even if they tried.
@GF-mf7ml Chinese have no thoughts of their own, if tesla design language is hype, they'll all run to buy that.
If BMW thinks that their “Beaver Tooth” front grills and chaotic body lines are going to “grow on me”, I suggest they take a long look at Acura’s “Beak” era - ugly is ugly - and that can be a huge turn-off for some buyers.
If this is an exercise in catering to the Chinese market, that’s fine - BMW can make that choice, but don’t be surprised when a competitor comes along and eats their lunch in other markets.
As someone who had the f10, then g30, I’m now looking at other brands for a replacement…
Well done the designers…
Yup. In my 4th custom-ordered (F32), and it is probably my last. Sad.
same here. life long bmw guy, had several m's , z's and i'll never go back to them. what they put out now is just unforgiveable. i'll go for either a alfa stelvio or giulia. great looks, great driving, great sound and a ferrari motor inside....couldn't ask for more. also, much cooler dealers. i went there unannounced and could testdrive both cars without time limit and alone by myself. the guy even revved the giulia in the showroom while they had some delegation next. such a lad. try that at a bmw dealership lol. these alfas just know what a driver wants
@@kellyshannon18 Yeah same here. The offensive response from BMWs PR department when challenged on the styling and the luke warm response from their management to the comments made me really dislike the brand beyond unnecessarily ugly cars (by the way, it's not just the grill that is ugly, there are a lot of poor design elements on the current 2 and 4 series)
BMW should build another product line for enthusiasts with original BMW design language and with loaded new technologies. New design language gives me stomach ache. I am still struggling to accept the front grill of G80 which leads the terrible looking front end.
Bmw designing cyberpunk cars right now.Seriously, put any of these new designs into a Blade runner movie and they just fit.
hey donald!
I’ve been a loyal BMW driver for years and put up with the maintenance and depreciation. No more! I have two Porsches now and hope to never look back.
I have never had a BMW and planned on getting an M4 G series until I saw it. It hasn't grown on me. Alfa Giulia QV for me now.
dont you dare buy anything called alfa or maserati or else youll be sorry
@@crispusouma80 Why, have you had one?
go for M4 or F80 they are beautiful
Totally agree!!
I've never purchased a BMW. My next car coming this summer, is a M440i X convertible. The design, as well as the motor, convinced me to put my money on the table.
Sold my E39 a few months ago n I miss it. That car was awesome. Owned it for 10 years and I feel like I need to get another one. To me the E39 is the last of the great looking BMWs
The F13 is a great looking BMW though ...
Tell me the truth, was it bad in terms of reliability as people says?
I was a fan of bmw since childhood only new design made me sit my soul down.
I use my 523i, E39 a lot. ,,,,,,, I also have 525i/E34 and 316i/E36 compact. If lucky this motors can run for many years. 👍
@@boxoffisa I had an E39 M-Sport a few years ago, it was fairly reliable but it ALWAYS leaked oil, mostly from the rocker cover. They're renowned for it.
I said this 15 years ago, people laughed at me. BMW, Mercedes are designing their cars to please the Chinese customer. And the Chinese guy who pays premium for his BMW, wants it instantly recognizable among the one million cars in the Chinese traffic that he drives a BMW and not a Buick or an Chevy. Hence the barndoor sized grills.
I found a pattern, the iX, M4, M2, XM, 7-Series are the example of commonly hated cars. I hated them at first too. But then about a year or so, I somehow started to love them. I seriously think they're beautiful. Maybe I'm weird but it's just my preference so please don't judge me for my taste. But one thing we all know is that BMW's always been like that and they still drive great.
im not judging you but from a design stand point the cars design just doesn't flow and it is genuinely hideous also the fact that the cars don't follow much from their ancestors either
Not me. But then I'm not a fickle tart.
The m4 is basically a ford mustang mixed with honda accord coupe with bmw logo in the front an the back , had nothing to do with bmw , an the issue with m3 design is not the shape of its body nor the fenders , those looks good tbf , the biggest issue with m3 design is the bumpers both of them an the front grill only , those r the things that makes this car so so ugly , I believe if those two things got a redesign from other person than the current rubbish designer I think the car will look fantastic , the new m2 I believe the designers were Influenced by the game called roblox they were looking an playing with it a lot to the point that they had to to do a real live model ..
@@lerayonnantgouter Yes - very disappointed with the M2. If I were to buy one now it would be the previous F22 for sure. Much better design all round.
the ix sure but xm and 7 series is not a I hated them at first....
x5m is so much better and cheaper than the xm in every possibe way
i wish they could just remake the 528i E39, so many memories in that car
For 11 years now my 523i , E39, 1997 is still running. Norway. Last sommer in France and Switzerland. FurkaPass. 👍
If some of these cars didn't look like copies of Korean cars, it wouldn't bother me so much. Admittedly, they are IMPROVED designs, but I still get "Kia" vibes from them.
It’s actually the other way around. Kia poached Karim Habib from BMW, as well as Peter Schreyer from Audi.
@@donkedic1 Didn't they release the Kia vehicles first before BMW took this approach to the design? My neighbor has had a Kia for at least 2 years before BMW released a similar SUV, again with an improved design, but the similarities are obvious (to me).
@@jaybockstoce It’s always been a game of “what came first…chicken or egg”
For me, I always felt like Kias had that derivative German design language, because of the 2 poached lead designers.
Hyundai, on the other hand takes queues from Volvo. But that’s just me…or is it?
are you shocked? asians own most everything, and I think they own German car companies now and maybe aren't really letting it be know that they do, I bet thats the case.
@@donkedic1 in 2018 they started copying m3 looks in the stinger... they put a carbon fiber roof on it... like come on dude you cant get this obvious....
Interesting perspective. I’ve had several bmw’s e30, e36, e46 (my favourite) and e90 (yes, this one was a bit uglier). They were all great to drive and looked nice. I came back to BMW in 2023 with a new g87 M2. I ended up selling it after 3 months - I just couldn’t stand to look at that ugly thing - everything about it was hideous, and it didn’t even drive that nice as a daily driver - it was DULL and BORING to drive, and I even had the manual! Yes it was fast and handled the road well, but it was so dull - it didn’t feel like an edgy sports car. I now have a Giulia Quadrifoglio - so happy, looks fantastic, drives like a dream, and is fun even at slow speeds.
No matter what the E90 3 series is the best looking BMW in my opinion as it is the generation that I've grown up seeing and is what BMWs should look like.
Personally love the old ones, but the e9x series has aged pretty well. e92 works for me.
I loved my e92. Wish I kept it. They still look good.
No chance. F10 and F80 best of the best 👌
As for me the E39 and E46 is the most beautiful design in BMW history.
The E60 and E90 looks just okay for me , even though the design is out shift from it origin DNA .
And lastly the E30 and E36 are a proper Ultimate Driving Machine for track day.
E46 as weekend track car, E39 for everyday commute 😀 in the modern era M2 F87 CS and M5 G30 respectively
The e46 hasn’t dated that well - loved them when they were new, not so much now. The e92 has fared much better in the looks department. An e30 weekender and e92 daily drive work well for me :)
E46 M3 is the epitome of the perfect car - to me, at least.
The E92 M3 is a great looking car, and to me a step above the E46, and I’ve owned both of them
They both look better than that new pig-nosed thing. That being said... I still cheer for the new one on the track LOL. @@993mike
Went from beautiful looking cars to pig noses
Interesting analysis. I have heard that BMW is not the highest purchased luxury brand like they were a couple of years ago, being ousted by MBZ and/or Tesla. If that is true could the design language they are following be the cause of that? I am a BMW owner for the past 20 yaers and its hard to love the look of their cars now.
Tesla is not a luxury brand
@@kiefydoinks If you consider pricing it would be considered a luxury brand. Do you consider it a bargain brand like Honda or Toyota? I think not.
@@dtman315argain brands?
The TOYOTA is the top of the food chain in car Category.
The most reliable and people want it.
1 brand is Toyota and Lexus are beautiful car.
Your american and Europian car are completely garbage in terms of reliable, fuel efficient and SALE around the globe.
Teslas are very average when it comes to pricing and quality (maybe below average quality) look at the prices of a Taycan, that’s a true luxury EV. Compare that to a Model S. The price difference is shown in quality. Electric vehicles are just generally more expensive upfront. You can’t compare them to gas powered cars in price.
BMW, MBZ and Tesla are not luxury cars, just mass produced fleet cars.
It happened to me when the 2015 hilux was introduced. I flat out hated it since the 2014 was arguably better looking, then the 2021 facelift came to be & now I'm willing to buy one.
Another example is the G30, as beautiful as it could be I favoured the F10 more untill the M5 did debut, first I didn't like the AWD powered M5 untill I drove one which was MENTAL to put simply.
The hilux take is shocking. I found the car stunning when I first saw the legend 50. I only happened to see the legend 55 last year and I can say that design to so beautiful.
@@chabu2306 agree but the initial shock we've received in middle east divided people in 2.
As an upside the stainless steel front bumper was an hommage for the 2002-2005.
On the down side the front facia of the Vigo champ was a true hommage to the same models.
And the comparison to the 2002-2005 model years is that they're sought after in the Middle East as the E30 M3 to the rest of the world.
yea h i dont trust like that
I lost a lot of interest in the Corvette due to shortages and price gouging. When that blows over, I'll probably start loving it again.
The XM won't grow on my, because literally all SUVs are hiddeous! Looking hiddeous is just one of the few things that SUVs do well.
the x5m looks very good tho... from all angles. XM on the other hand is disgusting...
The idea that if everyone likes the design at release is a "bad" thing in the long run is kind of interesting; but doesn't explain how other brands can pull it off. For example, if you look at a Ducati motorcycles, there are few people who can say it looks bad, even after years pass by. Same goes for Ferrari, Porsche, Audi (although I quite dislike Audi as a brand) etc.. When you look back at it, even in today's standards E46 3 series are beautiful cars for most people and was beautiful when they were first released. BMW is one of the brands that have really inconsistent history of car design in the recent decades. They make it look really good in some generations, and really bad others. At least the other brands are consistent with whether they make good, average or bad looking cars, BMW is really bad at it. I think the problem is with their design department and trying to justify it is just trying to find excuses.
the problem for me isn't the new design language per se, but the poor execution of it. there is little consistency across the design and it's clearly been overdone to the point where it falls apart. they could have hired much more talented designers who could have pulled it off i am sure.
They do hire them
These designers can't stand Van Hooydonk POS and do leave without changing anything
BMW lacks to produce best drivers cars o er a decade already
The best driving BMW of today still wears the logo of a Toyota
"if you come up with a design that everyone loves, it won't hold up to the future"
Audi: Hold my German beer
How did they mess up that bad
I don't think they did. These new grilles look good to me. They look great on the road, especially the M4 and M2.
@@robertnicholls9917 Especially m3 g80 in black mannnn
@@robertnicholls9917 You must be from china with terrible taste.
Chris Bangle definitely had a dud here and there, but I think he deserves praise for moving the styling forward not just for BMW, but all carmakers. As for what's happening to BMW design today... I don't know. There are so many elements that to my mind simply do not belong on a BMW, but maybe the buying public disagrees with me.
just make the grills smaller, thats all
Nah I own an E90 and I always loved this era of BMWs. The new designs have so much going on the mind can't rest on and admire anything in particular. They are different looking cars but they are not generally good-looking cars anymore.
I agree, he made the e92 which is a beautiful car. Made BMW look modern but still tasteful and classy.
Had a 2015 428i. A beautiful car. No way would I touch the new 4 series. Just horrible. For the time being, at least, I'm content with my Model 3.
1:31 Incredibly, how clean and well-designed the early E65 looks from today's perspective 😅
In my book the pre-facelift E65's front end still looks off.
@@zsb707 Ok, maybe wait a few more years 😉
@@AUTOdidact77 I don't need to 😊. I've owned a Bangle era E63, LCI for 14 years and counting. Its looks are really special and fresh. But I won't have a change of heart in regard to the pre-facelift E65's front end.
Classic bmw looks still the best looking bmw ever
Ugly is ugly, I spent 2.5 hours in a BMW dealership to customize my M4. I tried very hard to tell myself it looks good, I changed my mind at last and went to get a Mercedes...
you valued looks over driving feel.
According to him yep@@blocksource4192
No matter how hard I try, I can never change my opinion on the iX and the XM. The iX looks like someone pulled down their pants and took a photoscan of their ass cheeks and stuck it to the front end. And the XM looks like a literal Roblox knockoff BMW car. I don't care about the performance figures they give.
Roblox knockoff 😂
@@IdealMediaChannel 😂
i agree with xm disagree with ix
I am reading the comments and I am thinking to myself, am I almost the only one that loved all BMW designs as they came out. Even looking at the older cars I think those kidney grills are too small.
So true I owned many Camrys when The new model came out I hated the rear tail lights then 2 years later I bought one it's looks grew on me cheers Stephen 🤠
The reality is that BMW is not catering to a small group of BMW enthusiasts. Majority of buyers, who never owned an older BMW model, are likely buying it due to the modern look/interior/features as evident by the increase in revenue every year (back to back) since 2020.
I just got G42, have to say when I first saw the car I was skeptical of the new design, but the car is growing on me and seems Like I am digging the new design more everyday
The most recent 4 series is the reason I gave up after 8 BMW s. That and no standard.
Ya gotta see the I7 or the new 7 series in person.
I used to live in Germantown, Philadelphia, pa. My neighbor owned the pharmacy on the corner, old African guy. He has an 8 series coup and a 760 LI. The 7 looks AMAZING in person, pictures cannot do it justice.
I month ago or maybe 2 i saw the new i7 it looks alright but its just as big as a whale. I also new the M3/4cs before anounced online and yet again it looks alright. But its still bmw worst designed cars.
nah i don't wanna see it in person 😅
@@omgLaven i vet you dont want to
@@gockartzz8272 yes 😂
I saw the new 7 in person and the proportions and graphics on it are terrible. The F01 (2011) was the best and most expensive looking 7 series in my opinion
I think the problem with new designs is not the front facia , more like inconsistent design cues , as if each part of the car is designed separately, then blended together, imo.
They just wanted to give the old Beamer a bigger smile 😀
I disagree with this take. The Bangle designs haven’t aged well and neither will the beaver teeth grilles.
Alfa Romeo has a much better-looking lineup and a great alternative!
I’m one of people who like the big kidney grill than normal kidney grill. I feel like big grill made the car look more attractive especially series 7 and XM. Damn I’ve never seen the grill has light before.
BMW have always been innovators in performance and handling of cars that were conventional.
They haven't taken too many risks in the looks department till recently. I personally don't like the designs except for the 2 series... but it would be nice to see BMW go back to the classics! I think the AR Giulia has become what an old 3 series would've been. Would be nice to see BMW go back to their roots.
but i love the new m3... I cant imagine the new m3 with the f80 front anymore... it just wouldnt look modern or right.
@blocksource4192 wouldn't look modern or right? Lmao... you really need society to guide you huh?
I loved the design of the Giulia when it first came out. Now, if it wasn't for the triangle grille, the car looks like a Toyota or maybe a Honda. Not all of BMW'S current designs "float my boat", but in a couple of years, they should still be interesting to look at. I must be OK with the new design direction as I just got a '24 M340i (which I think looks stunning).
This dude saying the E60 was ugly, that car is stunning. Everyone in my country wanted one at the time.
People don't understand styling has to change what do u want em to do cont make e39 with a s58 engine ppl complain too much I love all there new designs of the BMW it's bold nd crazy like BMW always have been .
That would make sense for the gasoline M Cars. But what about the hybridized or electric ones? Now that is by choice.
I’m here purely because I always thought the old BMWs looked pretty lame and vanilla - I actually like the direction they’ve gone in. They needed to mix it up and those big ass grills look like they could eat you if you got in the way and I’m all for it.
YES! I feel the EXACT same way!
I loved the E30 325is I6 and the E36 M3 3.2L 2 door
And the E39 and the E31
Honestly I think the sedans & coupes with the giant grilles look really nice
Ditto. I love my 2021 430i
At first I laughed at how big the grill was on the G80 series then fell in love with the design. They look even better on the circuit as a GT3/ 4 car.
ikr!! g80 is crazy good!!
All i will say is watch (Ben Hardy why people are choosing BMW over mercedes) he talks about how with this new generation of cars bmw has SKYROCKETED in sales. So people do love the new direction. I use to hate the new m3 and m4 but loved their performance. With some simple aftermarket options and grilles like the adro ,Vorstiener, or csl grille they look so aggresive and dope. It also makes everyone m3 or m4 look unique and different depending on what grille they use. BMW are genius
I didn't know there was a new m2 until now and it looks awesome from that short glimpse
There’s two versions of the m2 in this video, there’s the original m2 , an there’s the m2 roblox version , you have to be Specific on which version u talking about.
@@tdRockxc568 the new M2 looks good in my opinion, you probably just play too much roblox.
@@abdulgill5013 no I don’t play roblox nor minecraft too , so you’re wrong, cos ur taste much like normalise putting pineapple on a pizza 🍕 , that’s doesn’t work so as the new m2 look too , ugly vision equals ugly results just like your eyes 👀 seeing it
@@tdRockxc568 that’s the problem, people like you hate change. The new M2 looks good, sounds good, and is overall a good car. The thing here is that you’ve grown with the previous generation of BMW’s. Anything new that is different is usually controversial, just watch and wait.
@@tdRockxc568idk what Roblox cars models you're talking about cause there pretty good.
"Excelent cars" is not enterely accurate. BMW is a very expensive car that fails too much.
In my country, Mexico once in a trip I saw a lot of BMWs stoped at the side of the road. Evidently they had overheated, and this was not a desertic place.
I don't think they're doing anything different. All these car companies are doing big over-the-top grills. It would have been nice to see them going a different direction.
In my opinion, the G20 series (minus the M3) is the best looking generation. Looks good everywhere inside and out. Symmetrical and balanced.
I love my G22. I always liked the 4 series and loved the 6 series. Now, I get the best of both worlds.
E39 5 series was the last BMW I've owned. It was also my first ever new car I bought. Loved it. Would love to buy another BMW at some point but the stars haven't been aligning in that direction unfortunately. I am however eyeing the 2024 5 series.
F90 M5 and F80 M3 was the peak of BMW engineering
I just cant accept the new headlights and grills
Former BMW F11 owner here. New BMW exterior designs are disgusting
I drove BMWs for 30 years, including M5, 750i, 335i, 550i, so I was a loyal customer for a long time. Today I can't identify myself with the actual design language, that I name ugly for the most of the lineup, probably because I'm neither chinese nor arabic...
A BMW manager recently said: "We design our cars to please the customers, not the critics" Nuff said.
You forgot to mention the E31, knucklehead, the most beautiful BMW ever made.
Even I am a JDM lover , I still like BMWs look . 0:08 That looks OK .., TOTALLY agree with the UGLINESS of the design of the Bmw XM
as a bmw lover I also agree with the ugliness of the xm... the rest of the lineup apart from the 7 series and maybe 4 series non m4 is good tho... just a lot of hate from people who liked the old design.
Elements that prevent me from being a BMW fan.
Over-engineering/overly complex engine component designs. These cause premature leaks and make removing engine components a nightmare.
Plastic engine components. From water pumps to coolant housings to oil pan drain plugs, not to mention valve covers and intake manifolds. Granted, everyone is doing it, but who do you think started this trend.
Beauty covers. What happened to the days when a manufacturer would show off their engine? Long gone are those days. Who do you think was one of the early pioneers. A 1997 328i has an engine beauty cover, while a civic and miata still had just a valve cover. Since then everyone has gotten lazy with engine aesthetic and have collectively just slapped a chunk of plastic over their engine. Lazy.
Another reason, sensor and module mania. There are sensors and electric modules for everything. All waiting to break. Give me an ECU, some window switches, and 2 fuse boxes and I'm happy. No need to go overboard.
Another reason. Stigma. These people are pricks on the road. They treat all other traffic as second class citizens and act overly self-important. Routinely they fail to yeild and cut you off. It may be different in other countries, but in the US, these people are cancer.
The final reason is price. There is zero reason to buy a car that costs double the price to maintain, yet has half the build quality of similarly priced vehicles. There's no point in owning a BMW beyond the warranty period because it will cost you the same price as other cars just to do the maintenance.
I essentially view BMWS as the Nike of cars. Dirt cheap to manufacture, over hyped, and starts falling apart after a year of ownership (Nike, not BMW). Very rarely do BMW owners actually do their own auto maintenance. I've only met one. Tuners and modders will work on everything, but your average car owner, no. BMW owners are too posh for that.
Overall, BMWs are great to lease. They're fun to drive and their PWR is greater than most. They're luxurious, have a ton of features, and make you feel rich. Since I'm not rich and value quality over cost, I would never waste my time buying one.
Great vid.
Except you didn't heard of B58 engine enough, as I've heard way more story of people tuning B58 to oblivion. And guess what, Toyota is too weak to ignore the potential of the B58 that they have to poach one for their controversial A90 Supra as well. And they ranked THIRD in the annual reliability report ONLY behind Toyota and Lexus. The old stereotypes of BMW still roots in your mind that it's stubborn AF to even said that BMW of today is absolute garbage.
I owned an E39 for 3.5 years. WORST FINANCIAL DECISION OF MY LIFE! Yes, even the "economical to repair" BMW is ludicrously expensive to keep on the road. I spent approximately $18,000 on maintenance in that time, and no, it was not an M5, it was a 525i. Plus, I only did about 10K a year in it! I replaced it with a brand new Mazda3 in 2022 and couldn't have been happier with that decision!
Got to give them credit for making cars that look more 'futuristic'
The BMWs aren't Ugly...They just took u by surprise...I find Them Beautiful
Modern BMWs have come to resemble our artistic renderings when we were using crayons in kindergarten, with no concept of scale or aesthetics.
Which might explain why the Tesla Cybertruck now exists on the same stage… 🤦♂️ 🥵
We need and long for the Automotive dedigners of the 20th century. Go back and look at cars from the 1940s-1970. They were good, unique, and most critically…”distinct”.
Today in America, most cars are homogenized appliances afraid to be anything resembling unique.
-career auto worker of 22 years; car guy for 27
Actually the designs of 2000's were beloved when they first came out and still held up to this day. People get used to the ugly designs not because they grow in them, but because people don't have a choice.
They can do whatever experiments they want, and set up whatever marketing and advertising schemes they want, as long it's not with my money. What is beautiful is timeless, what is ugly is…also timeless. I will always buy a car, firstly, for its appearance, and then for the rest (performance, comfort, ..). But the look, the aesthetics, has to be there from day one, or it's just a wast of time... and money.
Waiting for time to pass, in the hope that the car's look "grows on me", is absolutely ridiculous.These are the type of arguments that people with no taste can use, to comfort themselves with the sad choice they made.
Fortunately, there are still brands and models today that are excellent alternatives, and those are the ones I want to drive.
Same as it ever was.
Salespeople telling you what you want, so that they can sell you something you'd don't even like.
Sorry to tell you that, but as a designer myself, I must say it does not matter if 80s or 90s or later - the typical BMW you see on the streets ALWAYS looks like an outworn out of shape old shoe, even if it came just from the factory. Symmetry from the top down? Really? They have more like the symmetry of a smashed pancake. But thats ok, they are made for people who want to show off the much money they do not have. The wannabees, who have not the taste and knowledge to differentiate art from kitsch. You are interested in good designed cars? Then look Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Aston Martin, even Mazda etc..
Actually the new G22 440i is our dream car with my bf, he actually LOVES the design and he is an audi guy and ONLY the 4series made him fall in love enough to save up for the car and buy if in the future :)) One of my all time favourites is the BMW M4 F82, such a BEAUTY
The main problem with those giant plastic grilles is that catch a lot of rocks and cost a fortune to replace!
The grill for my G22 to replace is less than $200 and can be changed out in 20 minutes.
@@josephhein9497 how many times has it happened to you so far?
@@philtucker1224 not once. I was just considering replacement with a different style. Mine has the chrome trim. Wasn’t sure I liked it at first but it’s grown on me.
BMW IS DONE... BYE! GMC , DODGE ETC IS TAKING OVER THE "ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!"
The new M8 is the best looking BMW ever made.
BMW's segment is the premium level of what is, in all respect, a mass market. Styling "controversial" designs in such a competitive market, and hope that it will eventually grow on customers, is a bold move which can have dire consequences. See Ian Callum's Jaguars.
The big question is, what makes a BMW different today and, contrary to what the video suggests, is not the focus on driving qualities. I personally struggle to find any new X1, X2, X3 with their 2-liter diesels (that's 80% of the BMWs in Europe) funnier to drive than their Alfa, Audi or Mercedes counterparts.
5:42 Pontiac Aztec is a perfect example... like the new Bimmers will be. Loved the F30s, prefer a Mazda any day of the week now 🎉
There are not many manufacturers left who at least try to have some elements of "classic beauty" in their cars. Looking at these contemporary and modern cars, it seems that almost without an exception, manufacturers produce aggressive-looking Robocop cars.
I'm a German driving an E39 for nearly 25 years now. I dislike those new designs very much. They won't grow on me, that's for sure. So I'm actually looking to buy an Audi or a Mercedes Benz - with ICE, not an EV.
I have a 2022 430i Grand Coupe with that big grille. I have never received so many compliments on a car. From perfect strangers and literally everyone who sees it. It’s uncanny! Nobody can help remarking on it, people wave at me on the street and yell “cool car” and give me thumbs up in traffic. I’ve never experienced that driving any other car. So they must be doing something right 😁 Personally I think it’s the most gorgeous car I’ve ever seen. The only fault I find with the design is if you’re required to have a front license plate and there’s no good place to put that. Lucky for me my state doesn’t require one.
I agree with your second option. We are all here debating and questioning the design because we were made to care. Smart? What can make a car enthusiast care for a particular brand in a time of (mostly) boring cars? Think about the XM (a much bigger i3), and the I3 it self. Some love it (I do) some hate it, but everyone recognizes one and talks about them.They can be unorthodox but they sure are interesting and, mainly, instantly recognizable. Smart, very smart. I don’t think China is the reason. Remember Bangle’s design controversy? No China (like today) back then. It’s, in my modest opinion, in the fabric of BMW design philosophy. I love my f10 design (much more conventional design) but I really can’t get enough of my i3. It’s made with such care, so much innovation it amazed me (and still does). Having said that I really miss my e36.
The new bmws have never grown on me, they get uglier the more I look at it. Im starting to have personal issues, this morning I saw one in my rearview mirror and it looked like an elephant with clown shoes. Thinking about it gave me a really bad migraine; my head started hurting and I felt a little dizzy, I called my boss to let him know I won't make it to work. I immediately went back home, I was feeling nauseous but luckily I held up; I took a shower, closed my blinds and went straight to bed.
I couldn't believe a CAR would affect my personal life so bad, I felt so helpless, there's no way something so unimportant can dictate my life, damn! I just came here to vent about it and try to come to terms with it
Since the front is made of plastic pieces that can be removed abd replaced, couldn't they offer two front variants of a same model car, one for buyers with classic taste and another one for those who prefer a daring innovative looks.
BMW: Three years later 50% value gone.
Lexus: Three years later price about the same.
I kind of blame Audi. They were the first manufacturer to introduce the huge gaping maw grill. At the time it was quite radical and made other cars with smaller grills look a little bit safe and old fashioned. Then a lot of the manufacturers kind of followed suit.
I like that. Instead of ultimate driving machine, they're the ultimate eyesore. 100% correct
I don't care how well it drives, I still can't get past those ludicrous grills.
Funny how everyone complains about new BMWs having big grilles even though the brand's oldest models from the first half of 20th century had strange-looking grilles and barely anyone complained about it. So to all the hardcore 90s BMW purists, the power of research compels you.
P.S. Corvette's new design is a winner, but the dealer pricing is a LOSER.
IMO the biggest drivers of modern awkward designs are crash worthiness, pedestrian safety requirements, and additional cooling modules for all of the new environmental regs that are almost all government mandates.
The front of the M3/M4 is so hideous that the closest BMW dealership to me literally has 18 M4's on the lot right now. In the past, they couldn't keep them on the lot. The idea that this is some sort of ingenious master plan is ludicrous. It's just a complete fail.
He starts getting to the point around 3:00.
I’m sorry, but Domagoj Dukej’s argument that if a car is too pretty people will lose interest quickly, but if it is ugly or controversial they will grow to love it is the biggest load of bull I’ve ever heard and a poor excuse for bad design. So the car makers expect to have to wait until the mid life update to have their design accepted, but isn’t that mid life update when they tone down the more extreme elements to make it more palatable to buyers? Dont remember being too pretty a problem for the Lamborghini Miura.
Mind you, there is a great business opportunity for someone to start a styling business offering replacement toned down front fenders for BMW’s latest cars 💰