Usually it's not the cost of the parts that is prohibitive, it's the cost of labor. When the warranty runs out, find a reputable independent BWM repair shop (I found one that was started by former service technicians from a local BMW dealership, so they're all certified, etc.). They were much less expensive on the labor + they don't nickle-and-dime on every little thing.
Every single thing . What i noticed is your paying double the labor costs . It seems the dealer extorting the costumer for their share .!! If the labor cost is $100 the total labor costs will be $200.
Yep. Was lucky to find one near my house. Told me everything that is in need of replacement in my 100,000 miles X3 But was honest about if they needed replacement asap or could wait a bit. Dealer woulda ripped me on the price.
There are plenty of places where it doesn't detract from value but others where it does not belong. For me it's anything with fluids needs steel and rubber, not plastic. Valvecovers are now common and stump me because I don't know yet on them.
To be fair… this video sums up any luxury vehicle brand. If a car costs 100k to buy new, then its a 100k car that needs 100k type of servicing. Just because you paid 10k, doesn’t make it a 10k car. It’s still a 100k car.
I have a 2016 Mercedes-Benz C 300. Thank God I have some knowledge of how to fix my own things. I do my own oil changes filters, air filters, spark plugs changed them out once my car reached a 50.000 mile mark. I also always check my fluids and make sure everything’s up to tiptop. I also change my oil every 3 to 4 months.
I used to work at a used car dealership in Los Angeles. Used BMWs and Mercedez were usually purchased by people with bad credit. Many of them were repoed because whoever bought it could keep up with car payments when the expensive repair bill came up. We had a 2003 (I think) 7 Series BMW that we sold for about 5k and the dealer made almost 18k profit on it because it got repoed so many times and sold again.
I LIVE IN THE HOOD. My street is solid Mercedes, BMW, Lexus. Not a single Toyota, Ford, Nissan or HOnda. I'm at a loss as to how they afford these cars.
I have a 2018 X3 M40i, bought at 3 yrs old (lease turn in). After my warranty ran out, I was so lucky to find a garage near me that works on German cars. They're honest and reasonable - my oil change cost $135. So when I decide to get another car I'm planning to get another BMW. This is my 2nd one and I love it.
@@bamwa BMWs use synthetic oil, at a shop like Valvoline or Jiffy Lube they charge a premium and it's around $90 to $110, but if you do it yourself it's $40 like you said.
@@charlesl86 I'm going to assume he's exaggerating but walking around any BMW dealership I wouldn't be surprised if they tried billing that for an oil change. Afterall, these are cars with no oil dipstick now.
My last BMW was great during the warranty period, then the cash drain began. By the time I had 150,000 miles on it I had already spent nearly 40% of the acquisition cost in repairs. I am sure it would have continued to skyrocket. I sold it with about 151,000 miles on it. No one turned a wench on it but BMW, all repairs documented, garage kept and I got back 5% of what I had paid for it new, yep, 95% depreciation. That was my last BMW, never again.
You have to pick the right BMW and know and use the independent shops that build their business around BMWs business. If you're simply going to drive and go to dealer for everything well...thanks.
Good video. You point out several of the BMW issues. Same could be said for Mercedes. Some of the German cars are loaded with 70+ computers. We all know how long computers last and they are expensive to replace.
Those are not computers but a Module. The cars run on a Local area network called CAN. Those modules are network nodes assigned to carry out your commands. The modules are plentiful and easily replaceable. I swapped many before. Euro spec ones have many features added that the US ones don't have. Like automatic windows UP when you leave the car. The modules are usually 50 dollars.
Better go to a real car mechanic then go to service you will have less issues/errors. Anything found at service that has an issue or error will cost you a lot + service/taxes.
A lot of people lease these cars with crazy monthly payments thinking they can afford it but reality hits when they don’t even have money to put gas in it. I know a few people like that. Some leased brand new with the monthly payment and insurance taking up half their salary. Others bought used bmw’s with their life savings and don’t even put full coverage insurance on it cause “save a few bucks,nothing will happen” mentality. Flood happens or they get hit by a non insured driver or the car keeps breaking but they can’t keep up cause they don’t have any savings…. A lot of people fake it till they make it but most don’t make it and end up losing a lot of everything over a car.
I worked at a BMW dealer and I fully support this statement it’s so true the amount of people that walk into the dealership but they can’t keep up with payments nor basic maintenance and they always complaining too like bruh if you can’t afford the car don’t finance or lease or rather buy a bmw you can’t keep up with in all aspects ,people always want to look rich or buy the car for the logo and title , it’s really sad & goes to show how society gots it all fucked up people would rather buy a high end luxury brand car go into debt so they can say they oh “I drive a bmw “ than rather taking a step back humbling themselves and saying maybe I should finance or lease something that makes the most sense for the type of income I am making. I’ve had people complain about oh I’ve spent this amount of money you guys should be taking care of me etc like bro if your complaining and bitching so much about payments and everything that comes with owning the car then maybe you shouldn’t own one at all. & some acted so surprised too when they were hit with the bill when their cars were ready to be picked up after being serviced like dawg be ready for anything when we living in this market where prices are sky high .😂
My dad still has his 1984 Corolla and works just fine. No major work done for a 400K mile car. Every 3K miles, replace oil and use premium gas.. My mechanic is Eddie Murphy;s mechanic and he drives a beat up 1982 Corolla. You know a great mechanic when they drive beaters around.
Honestly Toyota with it's quality is the queen of cars. I did have question does your Toyota require a lot of maintenance? I was thinking about buying a luxury car let's seriously how can you beat the quality of Toyota
I have also noticed that some just look at the price tag of a bmw, Mercedes etc and think “I can buy it”, but fails to count in the high maintenance costs that u have to pay in order to keep them work and be reliable. So when they realize it, they often cheap out and buy 3th party parts and then when they fail they blame the car, and then they sell it, and the next buyer will buy it and the loop continues. If u take care of the car as scheduled and keep up with the maintenance they wont break down as much.
I have a 2005 Honda Accord with 250,000 miles (400,000 km) on it. Until last month I have never done anything other than scheduled maintenance on it. Last month, after 18 years, I had to replace the A/C condenser. I'm not complaining! From what I hear and read, German cars for all their alleged performance and technology seem to be money pits. I think I can afford them but who want to be visiting the repair shop on a regular basis? I'm probably going to stick with Honda or Toyota forever.
My 2022 M4 already at 22,000 km had injector problems and the part was $1500 without labour!! Luckily it was covered under warranty - I love BMWs and I’m on my 8th one. I love to feel pain it seems!! These cars aren’t great but the performance is like no other!!!
BMWs is like a love and hate relationship. Owned a 21 Supra for six months and already had a few issues popped up. My previous M cars all left me stranded due to bad ignition coils but damn they're fun to drive.
167,000 miles on my 2012 335i. Still kickin. Great car. Only problems so far were the oil filter housing gasket, the intake manifold gasket, water pump and coolant overfill tank. I did all of them myself. Still has original brakes although they need to be replaced. Shifts smooth, still has that low end torque power. I can't see myself driving anything else. Next car is a bimmer, no doubt about it.
I owned a BMW 7 series and it was a nightmare. At 40,000 miles the problems started. Everything was breaking. I spent thousands on repairs. My car was in the shop every 3 weeks. Don't buy a BMW unless you get it brand new on a Lease.. That way you can get rid of it before the problems start. Most smart people with money only lease German cars and trade them in after a year. So, yeah those cars are only reliable for the first owner. The people that buy them with miles on them are the ones buying the money pits with no warranties.
My 750i has had many repairs “preventative maintenance “ but I will admit. It’s never let me down. Once my extended warranty gets depleted I will be replacing it with a used Lexus GS or maybe a used 2022 760i. They drive fantastic honestly
used to be a huge lexus fan. but now the latest lexus inside is all plastic-ish too and the lcd screen is horrible to use and looks ugly. lexus went downhill big time from the good old days where everything was leather and nice inside
@@WayToManyAssassins7 series drive like you’re on cloud. That’s why or a huge sofa with outstanding drive control. Is something you have to experience it.
i agree... i had a similar experience with Mercedes Benz E320 1999... it was a great car... but maintaining it was very expensive. now i have a Camry and i love it
W210 right? Usually nothing will go wrong with them as they are built like tanks. And usually replacement parts are very reasonable and available widely everywhere. Think you have got a lemon
My wife got a used X2 and we were at the dealership waiting for them to detail it, etc. So we were sitting in the service waiting area and another customer was sitting within earshot. His service rep came over with a clipboard talking about an oil change costing like $500 U.S. but since it was an older model it qualified for a legacy discount that cut the price in half. The customer was so excited to pay $250+ for an oil change. I went home and found the procedure and got the low profile oil filter wrench, new filter element and some Castrol European spec 5W-30 and I'm all in for under $50. Edit: We also got the extended service contract for repairs.
I have a 12 year old Acura with over 100k miles and I have literally never done anything to it that wasn't basic maintenance or a consumable. I go to a good independent mechanic and my 60k mile service was under $300. Everyone I know that has had European cars (BMW X5, Golf R, VW GTI) all have horror stories.
Yes Sr. Your absolutely right when you tell everyone about the downfalls to BMW or any other turbo charged cars. The best made BMWS are natural aspirated engines, less heat, a lot less problems. All race cars who will run turboswill change parts every time they need to, with the budget to do so. Because when it comes to turbos, it's about heat. It's the nature of the automotive beast no other way around it. Great channel with important information for all.
I've owned my 2008 6 Series coupe for 13 years. It's been fairly reliable, fun to drive and special in the looks department. I'll hold on to it till the end of this decade as I'm afraid to switch to a newer BMW 😊.
I have to say, thank you for contributing to the car industry with your unfiltered opinions ! I always thoughts that German vehicles were a maintainance night mare but ended up getting a B48 and it’s on another level. Get oil change done every 5k and others it’s so much fun !!
The people I know who buy them are wealthy and keep them only a year or two. My experience is that once you start having electrical issues it’s a never ending nightmare. I wouldn’t want one more than two years old. Think how horrible on the environment it is to make a car that essentially is only reliable /economical for two years and then becomes useless. The manufacturer doesn’t focus on long term reliability they focus on initial sales only. Also had a VW Jetta that was one problem after the other till I finally gave it away. I’m sticking with Japanese.
Love my bmw, 145,000 miles and still driving great, although all the gaskets in the engine start to go bad around 80,000 miles. If your not willing to do the mechanic work on your own don't get a bmw. I did all the gaskets, water pump, and thermostat on my own so I was able to save alot on mechanics. Bad ass cars though!
Same I’m a 41 year old female and I’ve had the x6 3 times because I know how to repair them myself they usually always have the same issues after certain mileage but when you own them you can go into the dealership and get coupons for parts and I never payed over 100 for oil change at the dealership if I didn’t do it myself
I inherited my father's 2015 BMW 328i in 2021. I just rebuilt the motor on it, costing me $4700. If I had gone to a dealer it would have cost me a lot more to fix.
Slightly off topic but I have a friend who bought an AMG SL 550 convertible with 70k miles for $15k. It is a great Supercharged V8 car but it had the hydraulic issues common to German cars with active suspension, not to mention the hydraulics for the convertible roof. He is a very knowledgeable Mercedes guy and had sources for the hydraulic cylinders that were rebuilt with a better grade of seal. This illustrates what many people here are saying. My friend's car sold new for almost $130,000 and he now owns a final example for less than $20,000 and some hard work. This path is clearly not for everybody.
I used to work on motors for fun. I've never seen so much CHEAP plastic on and inside motors as I've seen in BMW models. In time that xheap plastic WILL get brittle and break, like the timing chain guide in the BMW mini motor, which is a MAJOR part of high importance.
Or...work on your on car. Oil change isn't hard, moniter fluids and avoid road hazards...only issue is hybrids....active hybrid 5 was really annoying to maintain
Great video, yet disagree with combustion autos no longer "being allowed." The electric mandates I have reviewed specifically reference new car sales. Not even CA is banning combustion autos...new ones simply cannot be sold in CA after a certain date.
Combustion engines ain’t going anywhere. Too much money to be made in both (gas and electric) industries. Plus the electric technology is years away from being efficient enough to keep people rolling down the road. Hybrid should have been the way for manufacturers til they perfect full electric tech.
I think that the trick is to go older - cars from the 2000’s especially with the n52 engine are reliable, fun to drive with great sound, amazing handling and most of all, they are authentic in-line 6 road cars
Bought a 2008 328xi wagon, love it. Coming up on 95k miles (bought it at 82k) and the maintenance required but bring it to independent BMW garage. Would never bring it to a dealership for service. Love the n52.
@@mariannagreenlee Agree, I have a 2009 128i convertible with the n52 and Judy over 105k. Been pretty reliable and always fun to drive. Glad you are enjoying your “older” BMW.
I agree. I have a 2011, 328i with an n51 engine and it’s been a great car. About to hit 100k. The secret is finding a great mechanic that specializes in BMWs but doesn’t charge an arm and a leg. There is a great ecosystem of that here in Metro Atlanta.
Honest to god in all the above replies you're all talking about a car with less than or just over 100k miles like that is something unusual, I have a 2009 Lexus with 200k and have 0 repeat that ZERO issues. 100k is nothing.
Depends on if you can do some of the work yourself. I had a 2008 X5 with the 4.8. Did the oil changes. Even replaced the sunroof cassette. Not too difficult, just time consuming. Parking brake control module wasn't too difficult either. Had the shop do 100K service with added all wheel drive service, $1500. Not too bad. Nothing major though. Awesome vehicle.
In September I traded my truck for a 2019 740i that was $32k and the warranty had just expired, but it only had 30,100 miles on it, and had been so meticulously maintained that it was cleaner than the three brand NEW BMWs I bought from dealerships. This was nearly a $100,000 car 30 thousand miles ago. And yes the cost of an oil change is twice as much, but the oil is also good for 17,000 miles, other cars will need 3 oil changes in the time BMW does, so yes it is twice as much in a BMW but overall it is less expensive because it does not have to be done as often. One of the biggest expenses in the way of maintenance are the run flat tires. But you do not have to use run flats, you can buy conventional tires for a third the price that will last three times as long, and people are afraid to use conventional tires but the reason they use run flats is there is no room for a spare as in the convertibles, and/or they need to shed as many pounds as they can to meet fleet mileage, not because using them does not meet specifications. There is a risk of having a flat and no spare, but then who changes a tire on the side of the freeway now anyway? We all have roadside service either through our insurance, or an extended warranty, or even credit cards that have roadside assistance and towing as a benefit. I know I have three different types of roadside assistance. And I had a rear flat on my 328i hard top convertible, I can tell you that run flats were undrivable over about 25 miles per hour, it was all over the road, and the only reason I drove it was that it happened within a half mile of the dealership. As far as diagnostic fees at BMW that is true for all dealerships, for liability reasons if nothing else. But if you have a dongle that tells you what the computer code is you can go to an independent European mechanic that will just do what you ask. All cars off warranty have this same expense, though BMW may charge a little bit more than Chevy or Ford it is worth it. I am happier in my BMWs and I feel much safer in them also. I have never owned such a solid car nor felt more secure driving. The one gripe I have is the fly by wire steering that gives no road feedback and you have to stay constantly alert and micro-steer all the time. there is just no way to know how much steering to do because you get no feedback from the roads. But then all manufacturers have or soon will move away from mechanical linkages.
Not all of them, M2, M3, M4 have very good resale values 30-35% depreciation after 5 years. Generally 3 series do very well. If you want to talk special models CS, CSL they’ll like increase in value or depreciate very little.
I’m finding nice used 2023 bmw’s in my area with 20k or less miles on them. Have all the specs of the so called cheaper vehicles in the market and more power in the engine and same fuel efficiency. Also bmw is now named number three in reliability for cars.
It’s all relevant , when I bought my 2016 Cayenne, there was water in one headlight , I got $4000 discount because that’s how much Porsche dealer was going to charge me to fix it , I brought the car home , took out the headlight , dried the moisture with blow dryer , installed new ballast and resealed it with silicone , and voila , works like a charm , cost , $105 … $100 for new OEM ballast (eBay) and $5 tube of silicone … I also replaced camshaft position sensors and solenoids on my S550 , and installed sacrificial harnesses to stop oil from creeping out to ECU and destroying everything , one afternoon work and $500 to prevent $15.000 damage .. that job would cost me around $2000 if I had it done at the shop … so with those cars there is a lot you can DIY , but things you can’t , and you have to take it to the shop , you better hold on to your britches, and have some money saved on the side lol …. ps I’ll have to replace turbos on my Benz eventually, they’re slowly leaking oil … don’t want to talk about that right now lol
Great Review, Guest, The Bottom Line Is, Gotta Pay The Cost, To Be The Boss. A Lotta Great Info. I'm Trying To Decde On 2024 X5 Hybrid, Or Wait For Upcoming, 2024 Lexus GX 550 Hybrid Next Year. Your Absolutely Right About New Laws & Regulations On Combustion Cars, Especially In California, Where I Live. That's Why I'm Going Hybrid.
We are BMW fans. Haven't seen this extreme depreciation on our vehicles. We usually drive for close to free because we leverage depreciation via several businesses that own our vehicles. We have owned Mercedes, Jaguars, Range Rovers and many American SUV's. We will be buying BMW's moving forward. Nothing drives like a BMW to me.
8:20 lol I have that gen e93 335i with N54 engine. Got it for 10k with 43k miles. Invested over 3k to push 450hp and really happy for performance of this price under 13k $ no leaks, no problems, still a beautiful convertible to drive by the ocean and even race track. But yeah, water pump needs to be replaced every 50k miles, don’t forget to get injectors index 12 (used tested are about 800$) it’s a great powerful car. But I would not use it daly
@@ECPP a toy for enthusiasts! It’s too expensive for maintenance in shops! But really cheap hp/$ for a track toy if work by yourself and able to change valve cover gaskets, program injectors etc.. I love this car
Not always…I bought a 2 year old Mercedes and had zero issues for 7 years. I do all the minor maintenance myself. Will be replacing it before the mileage hits 150,000 because the maintenance will be too expensive then
@@fortuneseek3rz364 …facts, but I have no regrets buying the car. It’s been trouble-free for 7 years. It’s still a very nice car. If I can get 3 more years out it I’ll be happy. It’s been just as reliable as the Hondas and Toyotas I’ve owned TBH.
Mercedes and BMW made durable, well-engineered cars in the 1970s and 1980s. Those cars weren't as profitable because they were long-lived and easy to maintain. Their new cars are now overpriced because their reputations rest on their earlier designs, and they are incredibly expensive to maintain. They don't last long, either. I want to own a car that doesn't have a computer chip in it.
I own a small plastic manufacturing company (injection molding). The problem with plastic is that the molecular bonds tend weaken with thermal cycling. The molecular bonds in plastic, unlike metals, are not that strong to begin with. Thats why most plastic cracks in time. For example, I have an inexpensive car (Chevy Aveo) that I discovered has a plastic thermostat housing. I'm like, how stupid. Sure enough, I discovered that it had been replaced by the previous owner. If you have a turbo that's generating excessive heat under the hood, good night! I saw my mechanic working on a car with a plastic valve cover. I couldn't believe it. The internal stresses in certain areas of that part via high pressure injection molding makes that a foolish choice-weigh be damned. It will fail prematurely. Trust me.
I have BMW 530i 2018 Luxury line. 6 years old, still running smoothly, no engine problem, no suspension problem, and the fuel consumption is better than the japan's one. The only problem I have is the interior ... many are made by rubbers and they easily melt in my country's weather. So, I must be careful to park my car, as the car cannot go too hot or it will simply be melting. But I don't have to worry as there are a bunch of aftermarket parts that I could buy in online shop, and I could just change them to my local repair shop instead in the official repair shop. As for the wheel, I use Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and it works well with my budget, and the performance is still the same. The only problem with the price depreciation in any european cars is the dealer or the manufacture does not care about it at all. Not like Toyota, as they create a program that could ensure the price does not depreciate faster, you could basically sell your car to your dealer for better value. But in any european car dealer, if you sell your car to their dealer, they want it cheaper than the market price.
From friends that have owned BMW's over the years, I can tell you that just your run of the mill maintenance is pretty much the equivalent of "major repairs" compared to other cars. People just get the estimates on things such as a brake job, and they run for the hills. The ridiculous prices of the parts compared to other cars are just part of it - the labor tends to come in pretty high as well. A VP at a company I worked for years ago bought a BMW 3 series - traded it in within 2 years when she got the estimate for the brake job she needed to have done. Within a week, she traded it in for a loaded Honda Accord. Not sure why she didn't go with an Acura (she could have certainly afforded the step up to Honda's luxury brand), but hey - maybe they jack up the prices of their parts just like the other brands they compete with, lol.
A video like this makes me want to go back to a Toyota hybrid. I had a Lexus NX, never any issues. With my BMWs there is always something and its expensive like hell. Gearbox on Z4, injectors on 325i cab, adblue system on 520d, wheels and suspension on 530e.. still love them though.
My 2014 BMW 328 still drives great with amazing fuel mileage - 261,000 km - I replaced an oil sensor at 18,000 km some pulley belts at 181000 km and a waste gate actuator . I complained about the Nav screen being a bit dark when I first purchased the car - they said they replaced it ( not sure if they did ) it it looked fine afterwards - all in all I am heavily impressed by BMW reliability. I also have a 2021 Z4 with the their amazing 6 cylinder engine but that only has 8,000 km - that’s my fun car and I don’t drive it a lot. I love my 2014 328 - grey with red leather seats . My Z4 is the attention getter but I secretly love my tried and tested 3 series.
I was finding most of this review humorous up until the apples to oranges comparison on the F15 X5 35i and the G05 X5M. If your going to contrast an earlier generation vehicle to a new one, at least compare the same models. I''ve owned 13 BMWs and even had an i3 for a few years. Im on my 3rd X5 and have found all 3 of different generations to be extremely reliable and comparably cheap to own. The secret to buying and owning these cars is simple. If you want to own one outright, buy a CPO car and negotiate for the best wrap extended warranty you can. Service contracts are pure margin for dealers. You might be surprised how well you can bargain for a discount on one at time of sale. If you want to own the latest and have all the new BMW technology and performance upgrades, look at leasing. BMW FS has some great packages and you can always buy out the lease at end of term if you love the car. Finally, if you own a BMW thats out of warranty, find a reputable independent shop that works on them. One thing I agree with about this review is that BMW dealer labor rates are ridiculously high. Final thought... erything represented here about dealer practices, the use of plastics, and the ups and downs of market pricing apply to every other luxury brand on tbe market. Ask anyone who onwns a Mercedes or Range Rover.
This video is misleading because it assumes people take thei cars to the dealership. We own 6 BMWs and never taken to dealership for service. I do my own maintenance and use an old fashioned independent garage for other service. You save a lot of money by doing you own services including brakes
BMW, Jaguar, Cadillac, Mercedes, Rolls are are service nightmares! I had an XJ6. Every single time something went wrong it cost me $2,000. (This was after warranty) New brakes…2K, Exhaust 3K, Tires… 2.5K, electronic issues (and there were many) at least $800 every time. My friend bought a used 5series and it was in the shop almost monthly. To the people getting blown away by getting a used Beemer for cheap, you WILL need a boat load of money and even more patience to deal with the many headaches!
BMW is by far one of the best innovators. They keep the style conscious consumers wanting more with new flavors. This company keeps manufacturing cost down with small changes to their product life expectancy. BMW masterfully has made changes while on the same hand maintaining consumer perception of high quality. My hat goes off to their effective strategy, lots to learn from this company. Wonder what levels of improvement in innovation strategies can the overall market withstand?
Priorities… first buy a decent nice house that matches with your BMW. Please don’t buy a BMW and live on rental or in a council state… it’s becoming a trend and it’s awful!
1:51 $400 for the bmw oil change should be taken in consideratioin that you only change the oil in them 10,000mils/12 months. the nissan is probably 3,000miles/3 months so, it's actually less expensive - even more so when you factor time saved.
It’s loaded with technology, has high performance capabilities and is not linked to a larger car company which means parts are not mass produced. Lastly the sales numbers indicate that people love their BMWs. No one who can afford to buy a BMW is driving a Lexus. No one under age 60.
@@DerKirchenhocker Meaning the people who can afford not to care about a car they will trade in every 3 years. BMW reliability is only an issue for poor people who have to keep a car for a long period.
Oil changes on my F30 couldn't be easier. Oil changes on this car at the dealership should be a crime. Brake pad replacements. you can do all 4 in under an hour! I would recommend anyone who drives a car to take basic maintenance classes or learn from a friend... it will save you a ton of money and you can do most upkeep service right from your own driveway.
Its just manufacturing affected by regulations as it seems used car sales will not be affected by the future regulations. That means the used market will see cars maintaining their value or even appreciating!
Ehh I'm sure he's referring to non m series forb the most part. As M series will always hold value since the whole flex with owning one is only you paid a lot for it.
I was going to look at a F10 535i tomorrow and decided to check YT for some info. After watching your video I have decided to not buy a BMW. Honestly, thank you for saving me all that headache!
@@ECPPHaha that's a good question, I honestly don't know yet. I might have to go with Toyota or Honda since they are the most reliable brands. I am hearing good things about Kia as well. What would you recommend? A car that is not boring but also reliable? I love Lexus but they are too expensive even used ones.
I'd say about 10 years or 100k KM which ever comes first. BMW is notorious for engine/turbo fluid leaks after 10 years or 120k KM. Unless the driver drives it like a race car then 6-7 years can be achieved.
I do not know WHERE this man is finding ANY late model 10 year old or newer used cars "cheap" but I wish he'd share where because I just spent over 8 months in 2023 finding two used cars for my sons for college with 1 owner No accidents Clean title
This video scared me away from a BMW. I'm looking to get into a used Luxury SUV that is reliable for under 45k. I'm trying to stay 2020 or newer with 30k miles or less. I have been looking Q5, but aren't necessarily set on a German build. I just want a cool car once in my life. Would I be safer going to Lincoln, Lexus, or Acura? Thanks so much for all your videos. They are great!
Regarding your comment about BMW always charging a diagnostic fee no matter what, I almost bought an M2 Competition and opted for a CPO Porsche 718 instead. I'm glad I did. The couple of times I've come in for service or repairs and I know what I need done, my local PSC checks or repairs exactly what I came for. And they do a free multipoint inspection anyway because they know that it reassures the customer and can bring in more business for them.
The reason for all the plastic is because the engine itself get hot obviously and the plastic parts allow those parts to bend and expand with out cracking as easily hence useing say aluminium, it’s still and can not move as easily.
I own a 2011 bmw lease buyout. I dont have those problems besides your regular maintenance or fixing something every once in a while. now I have 123,000 miles on it.
As an owner of series E-60, I can attest to what he is saying. But here is the difference I bought my car used with less than 80K kms on the clock, I have owned it for 11 years now and hardly put another 80k on it, so the odo shows about 160k kms. Fron day one I went with oem parts, never went inside the dealership and found mechanics that allow you to bring your own parts. Yes they charge me a bit of higher labour but I save more than enough on parts as pretty much all autorepair shops in my parr of the world put a premium of 3 to 4 times on all spares. I still save tons. The ownership experience had been good, because the car had been very reliable, other than normal wear and tear. The spare parts are still not as cheap as a Toyota or Honda or any other Japanese brand, but that isna given. I am honestly not interested in buying newer BMWs because their design does not appeal to me but I am actively looking for an E46 330Ci, E36 318is and an E30 325i. I am in negotiations for at least two of them, and before buying I have already meet the requirements. I have a spare parts pipeline, mechanics that can work on them plus I also do basic maintenance such as engine oil change, brake oil change etc my self saving me further. Having said that my situation is unique to me and might not apply to others. The rule of thumb is thr car might be cheap now but it's still very expensive to maintain.
Good video. BMW is a race car, that requires the repair parts and service of German mechanic. A race car needs to be replaced frequently, don't complain.
Even for older cars, the parts can get insanely expensive. The best resource to save money on these cars is TIME. Working on them was not as bad as I thought it would be but it's very time consuming (a lot of plastic shrouds and torx bolts). I've been able to lower my annual costs by doing all maintenance items myself. For critical issues.... good luck man LOL. A good strategy is to diagnose the car yourself, grab the parts you need that are OE not OEM (to avoid dealer mark ups) then head to a trusted mechanic and specify the exact job you would like done. I can't emphasize enough the importance of building a relationship with a good shop for these cars.
Bought my 1st BMW in 2015. it was a 2013 x5. Got for a great price. Do my own maintenance(all fluid, batteries, brakes and tires). 2024 and the x5 never had a problem. I bought another BMW...a 2020 430i. Awesome price. I love how the maintenance is what people fear so much that cause them to lose their value. Make them so affordable. lol
I guess this is why so many people get rid of them at 40,000 miles. I went to a used luxury car lot and nearly all of them had 40 to 45,000 miles on them. The lights went out on my 7 series. I took it to the dealer and they said it would cost $5,000 just to replace the entire light assembly and it would cost more if they found anything else once they really got in. I sold it privately 2 weeks later!!
I have 2 bmw x5’s 4.0 for sale, it’s huge stress to flip these. Never again will I try this. If you really want to trade BMw’s 1-series and some older 3’d are the way to go.
Its nice to buy a used BMW when you know how to research and fix yourself. Parts cannons are far cheaper than taking to the shop, especially when even independent shops have lately been trying to get dealer prices for labor. Buy OE parts instead of "Genuine" (Bosch, Lemforder,ect VS BMW Genuine)
Do many people “Buy” BMW or similar or do they lease them? My experience is maintenance and depreciation are part of the monthly lease payments which are often tax deductible, the second owners usually exposed to the issues you talk about ~ there is no such thing as a cheap second hand BMW
Ive owned 3 BMW's over the years and only had one model that gave me issues. Take care of your car and it will last. I also have a 2016 Jaguar XF 3.0 Supercharged. People say Jaguars are unreliable. Honestly Jaguars I've owned 2 of them are more reliable than my BMW and I've had no issues out of mu Jaguar vs my 2020 Lexus GS350 but i digress.
I have a 330 17 model and is doing well for me! It's been a couple of years now and no problems. I stay up on my maintenance and actually drive my car. Don't let your BMW sit. If you're looking to get a BMW, do your research! Don't get a high mileage, check the maintenance history and look out for new and swapped parts. This might help you reconsider if anything. Bring a trusted mechanic too 🙏🏾
Why? because cars like the BMW will cost you an arm and a leg when you bring it to shop and everyone knew that. I know many car enthusiasts stop buying used luxury cars because of it.
imagine some random dude just roasting your car in a parking lot and filming it lmao.
Thanks
@@ECPP lmao
He certainly isn't making any friends at the BMW dealer or any German car dealerships for that matter!😄
@@germanengineering204 no offense to him. Like i would be pissed if some dude was filming my var and roasting it and putting it on youtube.
It happened to me and let's say thanks to my 5 finger discount tool I have a brand new Lambo now... Lol
Usually it's not the cost of the parts that is prohibitive, it's the cost of labor. When the warranty runs out, find a reputable independent BWM repair shop (I found one that was started by former service technicians from a local BMW dealership, so they're all certified, etc.). They were much less expensive on the labor + they don't nickle-and-dime on every little thing.
Yup this!
Every single thing .
What i noticed is your paying double the labor costs .
It seems the dealer extorting the costumer for their share .!!
If the labor cost is $100 the total labor costs will be $200.
Yep. Was lucky to find one near my house. Told me everything that is in need of replacement in my 100,000 miles X3 But was honest about if they needed replacement asap or could wait a bit. Dealer woulda ripped me on the price.
Major brands make money on service mostly, not on sales. From what I heard tho
I did the same with my mini cooper
I have owned BMWs for 41 years now. I really hate to see them use so much plastic. Great video Mark !
Thank you very much. Yes that plastic is a mess
There are plenty of places where it doesn't detract from value but others where it does not belong. For me it's anything with fluids needs steel and rubber, not plastic. Valvecovers are now common and stump me because I don't know yet on them.
BMWs are supposed to be a premium brand. There is no reason for them to use plastic for certain car parts
I prefer mercedes n lexus than bmw...
Plastic reduces weight and improves performance and MPG. That's why they use plastic where it makes sense to do so.
To be fair… this video sums up any luxury vehicle brand. If a car costs 100k to buy new, then its a 100k car that needs 100k type of servicing. Just because you paid 10k, doesn’t make it a 10k car. It’s still a 100k car.
Yea but some are just overpriced and depreciated quickly
That's actually a pretty intelligent comment.
Bentley cars are prob the biggest surprised falls because the maintenance cost makes German cars pale in comparison
@@fernandocard9980 what?? Bentley is German 🤣 made by VW
@@Tombradyjockstrap England
I have a 2016 Mercedes-Benz C 300. Thank God I have some knowledge of how to fix my own things. I do my own oil changes filters, air filters, spark plugs changed them out once my car reached a 50.000 mile mark. I also always check my fluids and make sure everything’s up to tiptop. I also change my oil every 3 to 4 months.
Great to hear!
I used to work at a used car dealership in Los Angeles. Used BMWs and Mercedez were usually purchased by people with bad credit. Many of them were repoed because whoever bought it could keep up with car payments when the expensive repair bill came up. We had a 2003 (I think) 7 Series BMW that we sold for about 5k and the dealer made almost 18k profit on it because it got repoed so many times and sold again.
LOL, I see a lot of people in the hood driving used luxury cars.
@@ML_1515 The ones that did not look under the hood?
@@ML_1515 lol. thats how it is.
I LIVE IN THE HOOD. My street is solid Mercedes, BMW, Lexus. Not a single Toyota, Ford, Nissan or HOnda. I'm at a loss as to how they afford these cars.
@@Hemond1 LOL, they probably get repo’d tho.
I have a 2018 X3 M40i, bought at 3 yrs old (lease turn in). After my warranty ran out, I was so lucky to find a garage near me that works on German cars. They're honest and reasonable - my oil change cost $135. So when I decide to get another car I'm planning to get another BMW. This is my 2nd one and I love it.
Nice
Oil changes should be $40 max. You think $135 is a good thing???!
@@bamwa BMWs use synthetic oil, at a shop like Valvoline or Jiffy Lube they charge a premium and it's around $90 to $110, but if you do it yourself it's $40 like you said.
@@bamwaI do my own oil changes on a Jeep grand Cherokee w/ a hemi it’s almost $100. $40 my ass
@@bamwa$40??? That was in 2003 😂😂😂 even a Corolla cost approx $60 conventional oil
If you're paying $400-$500 for an oil change on your BMW you deserve to pay $400-$500 for an oil change on your BMW LOL
That's steep! Canada prices are expensive....Mine where $120USD....Before I started changing my own...Thank God for FCP Euro!
@@charlesl86
I'm going to assume he's exaggerating but walking around any BMW dealership I wouldn't be surprised if they tried billing that for an oil change. Afterall, these are cars with no oil dipstick now.
Don’t know what this is….I was told around $180 at my dealer in Ottawa for an oil change on my X3.
Yeah... you're paying for that luxury showroom.
Facts lol
My last BMW was great during the warranty period, then the cash drain began. By the time I had 150,000 miles on it I had already spent nearly 40% of the acquisition cost in repairs. I am sure it would have continued to skyrocket. I sold it with about 151,000 miles on it. No one turned a wench on it but BMW, all repairs documented, garage kept and I got back 5% of what I had paid for it new, yep, 95% depreciation. That was my last BMW, never again.
Cheers
@@ECPP 😄😄😄
Genius
Why did u only go to dealer ?
@@Highlander1432 Well Genius, because that's what I wanted to do and have the money to do it. Anymore stupid questions?
You have to pick the right BMW and know and use the independent shops that build their business around BMWs business. If you're simply going to drive and go to dealer for everything well...thanks.
Good video. You point out several of the BMW issues. Same could be said for Mercedes. Some of the German cars are loaded with 70+ computers. We all know how long computers last and they are expensive to replace.
Those are not computers but a Module. The cars run on a Local area network called CAN. Those modules are network nodes assigned to carry out your commands. The modules are plentiful and easily replaceable. I swapped many before. Euro spec ones have many features added that the US ones don't have. Like automatic windows UP when you leave the car. The modules are usually 50 dollars.
They are not computers…
We’ve have had several bmws (and other European brands) since I was a kid and they always seem to have random electrical gremlins.
German engineering is futuristic tech which comes with unforeseeable issues that’s why they’re so saught after
Better go to a real car mechanic then go to service you will have less issues/errors.
Anything found at service that has an issue or error will cost you a lot + service/taxes.
A lot of people lease these cars with crazy monthly payments thinking they can afford it but reality hits when they don’t even have money to put gas in it. I know a few people like that. Some leased brand new with the monthly payment and insurance taking up half their salary. Others bought used bmw’s with their life savings and don’t even put full coverage insurance on it cause “save a few bucks,nothing will happen” mentality. Flood happens or they get hit by a non insured driver or the car keeps breaking but they can’t keep up cause they don’t have any savings…. A lot of people fake it till they make it but most don’t make it and end up losing a lot of everything over a car.
Totally right on that
I worked at a BMW dealer and I fully support this statement it’s so true the amount of people that walk into the dealership but they can’t keep up with payments nor basic maintenance and they always complaining too like bruh if you can’t afford the car don’t finance or lease or rather buy a bmw you can’t keep up with in all aspects ,people always want to look rich or buy the car for the logo and title , it’s really sad & goes to show how society gots it all fucked up people would rather buy a high end luxury brand car go into debt so they can say they oh “I drive a bmw “ than rather taking a step back humbling themselves and saying maybe I should finance or lease something that makes the most sense for the type of income I am making. I’ve had people complain about oh I’ve spent this amount of money you guys should be taking care of me etc like bro if your complaining and bitching so much about payments and everything that comes with owning the car then maybe you shouldn’t own one at all. & some acted so surprised too when they were hit with the bill when their cars were ready to be picked up after being serviced like dawg be ready for anything when we living in this market where prices are sky high .😂
"Own". Let's be real. They don't own shit.
My Toyota Camry 1998 has 296K miles and still running smoothly. Oil change is $40
But it’s a Toyota it’s…. Not good
@@jackz4149?
My dad still has his 1984 Corolla and works just fine. No major work done for a 400K mile car. Every 3K miles, replace oil and use premium gas.. My mechanic is Eddie Murphy;s mechanic and he drives a beat up 1982 Corolla. You know a great mechanic when they drive beaters around.
Over here comparing a old Toyota to a new BMW 🙄
Honestly Toyota with it's quality is the queen of cars. I did have question does your Toyota require a lot of maintenance? I was thinking about buying a luxury car let's seriously how can you beat the quality of Toyota
I had a seven series, the best thing I did with it was to sell it. 😊
I have also noticed that some just look at the price tag of a bmw, Mercedes etc and think “I can buy it”, but fails to count in the high maintenance costs that u have to pay in order to keep them work and be reliable. So when they realize it, they often cheap out and buy 3th party parts and then when they fail they blame the car, and then they sell it, and the next buyer will buy it and the loop continues.
If u take care of the car as scheduled and keep up with the maintenance they wont break down as much.
I have a 2005 Honda Accord with 250,000 miles (400,000 km) on it. Until last month I have never done anything other than scheduled maintenance on it. Last month, after 18 years, I had to replace the A/C condenser. I'm not complaining!
From what I hear and read, German cars for all their alleged performance and technology seem to be money pits. I think I can afford them but who want to be visiting the repair shop on a regular basis? I'm probably going to stick with Honda or Toyota forever.
SMART MAN! 👍🏿👏🏿
Wise man 🙌. At the end nobody gives a s@$@$ what you drive
@@DMfanforever2009 Damn! Why so serious! 😬
@@literarypharaoh1117 Could be an executive from BMW or Mercedes! 😂
@@DMfanforever2009 And nobody gives a sh*t what you think! 🤣
My 2022 M4 already at 22,000 km had injector problems and the part was $1500 without labour!! Luckily it was covered under warranty - I love BMWs and I’m on my 8th one. I love to feel pain it seems!! These cars aren’t great but the performance is like no other!!!
well look at fighter jets! Unrivaled but very expensive to maintain!
BMWs is like a love and hate relationship. Owned a 21 Supra for six months and already had a few issues popped up. My previous M cars all left me stranded due to bad ignition coils but damn they're fun to drive.
Exactly, great ride and performance, when they aren't in the shop.
Bmw are better than any car Africans ever made
@@ahzcainbree9080 🤣😂
167,000 miles on my 2012 335i. Still kickin. Great car. Only problems so far were the oil filter housing gasket, the intake manifold gasket, water pump and coolant overfill tank. I did all of them myself. Still has original brakes although they need to be replaced. Shifts smooth, still has that low end torque power. I can't see myself driving anything else. Next car is a bimmer, no doubt about it.
Plenty of BMW, AUDI, BENZ go over 100k miles, this is a fear mongering and people who cannot afford Euro cars love these kinds of videos
You really shouldn't base your next BMW purchse based on your current BMW.
@@chrislim7976 I already did long ago, twice. This will be my third time. Also, I'm an electro/mechanical technician. I know what to look for.
@@jeffjeff8562
It's just a matter of time. 😅🍺
@@chrislim7976 Wait, are you telling me my car will break down in a matter of time?
I owned a BMW 7 series and it was a nightmare. At 40,000 miles the problems started. Everything was breaking. I spent thousands on repairs. My car was in the shop every 3 weeks. Don't buy a BMW unless you get it brand new on a Lease.. That way you can get rid of it before the problems start. Most smart people with money only lease German cars and trade them in after a year. So, yeah those cars are only reliable for the first owner. The people that buy them with miles on them are the ones buying the money pits with no warranties.
My 750i has had many repairs “preventative maintenance “ but I will admit. It’s never let me down. Once my extended warranty gets depleted I will be replacing it with a used Lexus GS or maybe a used 2022 760i. They drive fantastic honestly
used to be a huge lexus fan. but now the latest lexus inside is all plastic-ish too and the lcd screen is horrible to use and looks ugly. lexus went downhill big time from the good old days where everything was leather and nice inside
3 series is so much cheaper to run and still comfortable. Dont know why people get the 7 series
@@WayToManyAssassins7 series drive like you’re on cloud. That’s why or a huge sofa with outstanding drive control. Is something you have to experience it.
Dont go for a Lexus. Its so boring. There is a new 5 series out. Should be on sale in like a month
@@WayToManyAssassinsare you listening to yourself? Well I chose GLS580 not GLC300 because I don’t wanna be seen in a cheap car…
i agree... i had a similar experience with Mercedes Benz E320 1999... it was a great car... but maintaining it was very expensive. now i have a Camry and i love it
It sure feels great driving a reliable and well made vehicle
“Camry” LMAOOOOO
I have a 2000 E320 4Matic. They aren't terrible if you can do your own work but I don't recommend anything off warranty to those who can't wrench.
W210 right? Usually nothing will go wrong with them as they are built like tanks. And usually replacement parts are very reasonable and available widely everywhere. Think you have got a lemon
My wife got a used X2 and we were at the dealership waiting for them to detail it, etc. So we were sitting in the service waiting area and another customer was sitting within earshot. His service rep came over with a clipboard talking about an oil change costing like $500 U.S. but since it was an older model it qualified for a legacy discount that cut the price in half. The customer was so excited to pay $250+ for an oil change.
I went home and found the procedure and got the low profile oil filter wrench, new filter element and some Castrol European spec 5W-30 and I'm all in for under $50.
Edit: We also got the extended service contract for repairs.
bought a cheap bmw when I was a student. not much choice in my price range, and I needed a car urgently. it almost bankrupted me 😂
BMW = BREAK MY WALLET .. 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha
@@ECPP Bavarian Manure Wagon
Broken motor world BMW
Exactly
BM TROUBLE YOU
I have a 12 year old Acura with over 100k miles and I have literally never done anything to it that wasn't basic maintenance or a consumable. I go to a good independent mechanic and my 60k mile service was under $300. Everyone I know that has had European cars (BMW X5, Golf R, VW GTI) all have horror stories.
You need a great INDY or even DIY in order to keep things affordable and reasonable
Since when is $55,000 cheap?
@@Gregory-Masovutch how would you know how much someone spent
I've had European cars (chronologically: VW, Audi, Mercedes, 2 BMWs & Jaguar) and fortunately no horror stories.
@@zsb707 I have had VW and Audi and no horror stories either, people like this always say this because they cannot afford Euro cars.
Yes Sr. Your absolutely right when you tell everyone about the downfalls to BMW or any other turbo charged cars. The best made BMWS are natural aspirated engines, less heat, a lot less problems. All race cars who will run turboswill change parts every time they need to, with the budget to do so. Because when it comes to turbos, it's about heat. It's the nature of the automotive beast no other way around it. Great channel with important information for all.
I owned a coupl eof Nissan performance cars. None of them burned through oil. Zero. NOw what about your BMW...
I've owned my 2008 6 Series coupe for 13 years. It's been fairly reliable, fun to drive and special in the looks department. I'll hold on to it till the end of this decade as I'm afraid to switch to a newer BMW 😊.
is it NA or boosted?
@@jamesmedina2062 It's NA (N53).
@@zsb707 nice!! another reason to keep whatcha got!👍👍
you rightly should be
I owned a 3 serious and it was good. My next car will also be a bimmer but id try to go for a NA which is hard to find nowadays
I have to say, thank you for contributing to the car industry with your unfiltered opinions ! I always thoughts that German vehicles were a maintainance night mare but ended up getting a B48 and it’s on another level. Get oil change done every 5k and others it’s so much fun !!
How much was the oil change ?
This is the same in the UK, this is why you never take it to the main dealer. Instead take it to independent specialists.
Try to find a good independent shop. Here in my city there are only a couple and they trace the dealers pricing regime we all get gouged
The people I know who buy them are wealthy and keep them only a year or two. My experience is that once you start having electrical issues it’s a never ending nightmare. I wouldn’t want one more than two years old. Think how horrible on the environment it is to make a car that essentially is only reliable /economical for two years and then becomes useless. The manufacturer doesn’t focus on long term reliability they focus on initial sales only. Also had a VW Jetta that was one problem after the other till I finally gave it away. I’m sticking with Japanese.
Love my bmw, 145,000 miles and still driving great, although all the gaskets in the engine start to go bad around 80,000 miles. If your not willing to do the mechanic work on your own don't get a bmw. I did all the gaskets, water pump, and thermostat on my own so I was able to save alot on mechanics. Bad ass cars though!
Same I’m a 41 year old female and I’ve had the x6 3 times because I know how to repair them myself they usually always have the same issues after certain mileage but when you own them you can go into the dealership and get coupons for parts and I never payed over 100 for oil change at the dealership if I didn’t do it myself
I inherited my father's 2015 BMW 328i in 2021. I just rebuilt the motor on it, costing me $4700. If I had gone to a dealer it would have cost me a lot more to fix.
Sounds like a good win indeed
Even in summertime, all of this dude's episodes are in the winter lol
Haha, I know, right? I gotta move
Slightly off topic but I have a friend who bought an AMG SL 550 convertible with 70k miles for $15k. It is a great Supercharged V8 car but it had the hydraulic issues common to German cars with active suspension, not to mention the hydraulics for the convertible roof. He is a very knowledgeable Mercedes guy and had sources for the hydraulic cylinders that were rebuilt with a better grade of seal. This illustrates what many people here are saying. My friend's car sold new for almost $130,000 and he now owns a final example for less than $20,000 and some hard work. This path is clearly not for everybody.
I used to work on motors for fun. I've never seen so much CHEAP plastic on and inside motors as I've seen in BMW models. In time that xheap plastic WILL get brittle and break, like the timing chain guide in the BMW mini motor, which is a MAJOR part of high importance.
Or...work on your on car. Oil change isn't hard, moniter fluids and avoid road hazards...only issue is hybrids....active hybrid 5 was really annoying to maintain
If you can DIY, the. It can be reasonable. Still need a good parts supply.
Great video, yet disagree with combustion autos no longer "being allowed." The electric mandates I have reviewed specifically reference new car sales. Not even CA is banning combustion autos...new ones simply cannot be sold in CA after a certain date.
Combustion engines ain’t going anywhere. Too much money to be made in both (gas and electric) industries. Plus the electric technology is years away from being efficient enough to keep people rolling down the road. Hybrid should have been the way for manufacturers til they perfect full electric tech.
I think that the trick is to go older - cars from the 2000’s especially with the n52 engine are reliable, fun to drive with great sound, amazing handling and most of all, they are authentic in-line 6 road cars
They are really from a simpler time
Bought a 2008 328xi wagon, love it. Coming up on 95k miles (bought it at 82k) and the maintenance required but bring it to independent BMW garage. Would never bring it to a dealership for service. Love the n52.
@@mariannagreenlee Agree, I have a 2009 128i convertible with the n52 and Judy over 105k. Been pretty reliable and always fun to drive. Glad you are enjoying your “older” BMW.
I agree. I have a 2011, 328i with an n51 engine and it’s been a great car. About to hit 100k. The secret is finding a great mechanic that specializes in BMWs but doesn’t charge an arm and a leg. There is a great ecosystem of that here in Metro Atlanta.
Honest to god in all the above replies you're all talking about a car with less than or just over 100k miles like that is something unusual, I have a 2009 Lexus with 200k and have 0 repeat that ZERO issues. 100k is nothing.
Depends on if you can do some of the work yourself. I had a 2008 X5 with the 4.8. Did the oil changes. Even replaced the sunroof cassette. Not too difficult, just time consuming. Parking brake control module wasn't too difficult either. Had the shop do 100K service with added all wheel drive service, $1500. Not too bad. Nothing major though. Awesome vehicle.
In September I traded my truck for a 2019 740i that was $32k and the warranty had just expired, but it only had 30,100 miles on it, and had been so meticulously maintained that it was cleaner than the three brand NEW BMWs I bought from dealerships. This was nearly a $100,000 car 30 thousand miles ago. And yes the cost of an oil change is twice as much, but the oil is also good for 17,000 miles, other cars will need 3 oil changes in the time BMW does, so yes it is twice as much in a BMW but overall it is less expensive because it does not have to be done as often. One of the biggest expenses in the way of maintenance are the run flat tires. But you do not have to use run flats, you can buy conventional tires for a third the price that will last three times as long, and people are afraid to use conventional tires but the reason they use run flats is there is no room for a spare as in the convertibles, and/or they need to shed as many pounds as they can to meet fleet mileage, not because using them does not meet specifications. There is a risk of having a flat and no spare, but then who changes a tire on the side of the freeway now anyway? We all have roadside service either through our insurance, or an extended warranty, or even credit cards that have roadside assistance and towing as a benefit. I know I have three different types of roadside assistance. And I had a rear flat on my 328i hard top convertible, I can tell you that run flats were undrivable over about 25 miles per hour, it was all over the road, and the only reason I drove it was that it happened within a half mile of the dealership. As far as diagnostic fees at BMW that is true for all dealerships, for liability reasons if nothing else. But if you have a dongle that tells you what the computer code is you can go to an independent European mechanic that will just do what you ask. All cars off warranty have this same expense, though BMW may charge a little bit more than Chevy or Ford it is worth it. I am happier in my BMWs and I feel much safer in them also. I have never owned such a solid car nor felt more secure driving. The one gripe I have is the fly by wire steering that gives no road feedback and you have to stay constantly alert and micro-steer all the time. there is just no way to know how much steering to do because you get no feedback from the roads. But then all manufacturers have or soon will move away from mechanical linkages.
I've found the same thing, it's really all about the maintenance history.
Not all of them, M2, M3, M4 have very good resale values 30-35% depreciation after 5 years. Generally 3 series do very well. If you want to talk special models CS, CSL they’ll like increase in value or depreciate very little.
That’s fair
Bought a 5 year old bmw 330 shadow and paid 12.5 gbp 82k like new inside
Any problems ? @@rickp2293
I’ve been looking at the 5 series, especially the last model 2016 or the new redesign 2017 models. They have lost well over 50% value.
Yeah they are great cars. Very reliable and drive amazingly. Never had any problems
Great minds think alike ‼️💯
80’s-90’s BMW’s we’re “ The ultimate driving machine!” Today BMW stands for “ Bring My Wallet!” 🤪😂😆😢😢😢
I think it's "break my wallet"
Bring More Wrenches 🔧
Or Buy More Warranty
I love my 528i but it can get costly for repairs.
I’m finding nice used 2023 bmw’s in my area with 20k or less miles on them. Have all the specs of the so called cheaper vehicles in the market and more power in the engine and same fuel efficiency. Also bmw is now named number three in reliability for cars.
It’s all relevant , when I bought my 2016 Cayenne, there was water in one headlight , I got $4000 discount because that’s how much Porsche dealer was going to charge me to fix it , I brought the car home , took out the headlight , dried the moisture with blow dryer , installed new ballast and resealed it with silicone , and voila , works like a charm , cost , $105 … $100 for new OEM ballast (eBay) and $5 tube of silicone … I also replaced camshaft position sensors and solenoids on my S550 , and installed sacrificial harnesses to stop oil from creeping out to ECU and destroying everything , one afternoon work and $500 to prevent $15.000 damage .. that job would cost me around $2000 if I had it done at the shop … so with those cars there is a lot you can DIY , but things you can’t , and you have to take it to the shop , you better hold on to your britches, and have some money saved on the side lol …. ps I’ll have to replace turbos on my Benz eventually, they’re slowly leaking oil … don’t want to talk about that right now lol
Great Review, Guest, The Bottom Line Is, Gotta Pay The Cost, To Be The Boss. A Lotta Great Info. I'm Trying To Decde On 2024 X5 Hybrid, Or Wait For Upcoming, 2024 Lexus GX 550 Hybrid Next Year. Your Absolutely Right About New Laws & Regulations On Combustion Cars, Especially In California, Where I Live. That's Why I'm Going Hybrid.
Glad it was helpful!
In Europe used BMW ain't cheap. Most people in Europe drive their cars for more than 10 years.
How many miles are typically run in a year over there in Europe?
Probably because they use public transportation most of the time LOL
@@ECPP the average is less than 10000 a year. It's only a few who exceed that .
Cheap in germany...a lot cheaper than in my country... my frirnd college in germany use bmw used car ...🤣🤣🤣
We are BMW fans. Haven't seen this extreme depreciation on our vehicles. We usually drive for close to free because we leverage depreciation via several businesses that own our vehicles. We have owned Mercedes, Jaguars, Range Rovers and many American SUV's. We will be buying BMW's moving forward. Nothing drives like a BMW to me.
They are great drivers indeed especially the M variants
Keep it that way!!! I've been able to pick amazing deals!!! 2012 BMW 335i, 2022 BMW 340i! I'm buying these cars penny on the dollar!
Good choice!
8:20 lol I have that gen e93 335i with N54 engine. Got it for 10k with 43k miles. Invested over 3k to push 450hp and really happy for performance of this price under 13k $ no leaks, no problems, still a beautiful convertible to drive by the ocean and even race track. But yeah, water pump needs to be replaced every 50k miles, don’t forget to get injectors index 12 (used tested are about 800$) it’s a great powerful car. But I would not use it daly
True it’s more of a weekend toy as reliability is simply not there
@@ECPP a toy for enthusiasts! It’s too expensive for maintenance in shops! But really cheap hp/$ for a track toy if work by yourself and able to change valve cover gaskets, program injectors etc.. I love this car
I'm still curious too see how reliable a new bmw is gonna be in 5-6 years, these cars German cars are better leased
Well….
Not always…I bought a 2 year old Mercedes and had zero issues for 7 years. I do all the minor maintenance myself. Will be replacing it before the mileage hits 150,000 because the maintenance will be too expensive then
Yep, these high end German cars are screaming "lease me!"
@@fortuneseek3rz364 …facts, but I have no regrets buying the car. It’s been trouble-free for 7 years. It’s still a very nice car. If I can get 3 more years out it I’ll be happy. It’s been just as reliable as the Hondas and Toyotas I’ve owned TBH.
Mercedes and BMW made durable, well-engineered cars in the 1970s and 1980s. Those cars weren't as profitable because they were long-lived and easy to maintain. Their new cars are now overpriced because their reputations rest on their earlier designs, and they are incredibly expensive to maintain. They don't last long, either. I want to own a car that doesn't have a computer chip in it.
You are right Peter, these cars definitely are not built like they used to be. Sadly the whole industry is pretty much doing that.
As long as they are using Plastic and Turbos it is a No Go resale without Warranty to 100k Miles
Exactly
I own a small plastic manufacturing company (injection molding). The problem with plastic is that the molecular bonds tend weaken with thermal cycling. The molecular bonds in plastic, unlike metals, are not that strong to begin with. Thats why most plastic cracks in time.
For example, I have an inexpensive car (Chevy Aveo) that I discovered has a plastic thermostat housing. I'm like, how stupid. Sure enough, I discovered that it had been replaced by the previous owner. If you have a turbo that's generating excessive heat under the hood, good night!
I saw my mechanic working on a car with a plastic valve cover. I couldn't believe it. The internal stresses in certain areas of that part via high pressure injection molding makes that a foolish choice-weigh be damned. It will fail prematurely. Trust me.
I have BMW 530i 2018 Luxury line. 6 years old, still running smoothly, no engine problem, no suspension problem, and the fuel consumption is better than the japan's one. The only problem I have is the interior ... many are made by rubbers and they easily melt in my country's weather. So, I must be careful to park my car, as the car cannot go too hot or it will simply be melting. But I don't have to worry as there are a bunch of aftermarket parts that I could buy in online shop, and I could just change them to my local repair shop instead in the official repair shop.
As for the wheel, I use Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and it works well with my budget, and the performance is still the same.
The only problem with the price depreciation in any european cars is the dealer or the manufacture does not care about it at all. Not like Toyota, as they create a program that could ensure the price does not depreciate faster, you could basically sell your car to your dealer for better value. But in any european car dealer, if you sell your car to their dealer, they want it cheaper than the market price.
Some really interesting points, thanks for sharing
From friends that have owned BMW's over the years, I can tell you that just your run of the mill maintenance is pretty much the equivalent of "major repairs" compared to other cars. People just get the estimates on things such as a brake job, and they run for the hills. The ridiculous prices of the parts compared to other cars are just part of it - the labor tends to come in pretty high as well. A VP at a company I worked for years ago bought a BMW 3 series - traded it in within 2 years when she got the estimate for the brake job she needed to have done. Within a week, she traded it in for a loaded Honda Accord. Not sure why she didn't go with an Acura (she could have certainly afforded the step up to Honda's luxury brand), but hey - maybe they jack up the prices of their parts just like the other brands they compete with, lol.
Wtf kind of company was that ?
Lol
Agreed. A relative lost it because he had to replace brake pads early on his Honda SUV.
With BMW'S and VWs in my garage I had to hold in the laughs.
HONDA parts are more common snd mire easily available even they are shared with the sister Acura brand with the pay more brands scale up.
@@loktom4068
Easier to work on too
Not just that. Aftermarket non OEM stuff for german cars is basically garbage compared Japanese aftermarket.
The right thing to do is buy used cars for European ones, new for Japanese ones..
Nice
You destroyed my interested in a buying a used BMW. Forget those types of rip-offs.
You are welcome
I have a 2016 and only changed out the fuel pump and sensor. Everything else has been good.
A video like this makes me want to go back to a Toyota hybrid. I had a Lexus NX, never any issues. With my BMWs there is always something and its expensive like hell. Gearbox on Z4, injectors on 325i cab, adblue system on 520d, wheels and suspension on 530e.. still love them though.
My 2014 BMW 328 still drives great with amazing fuel mileage - 261,000 km - I replaced an oil sensor at 18,000 km some pulley belts at 181000 km and a waste gate actuator . I complained about the Nav screen being a bit dark when I first purchased the car - they said they replaced it ( not sure if they did ) it it looked fine afterwards - all in all I am heavily impressed by BMW reliability. I also have a 2021 Z4 with the their amazing 6 cylinder engine but that only has 8,000 km - that’s my fun car and I don’t drive it a lot. I love my 2014 328 - grey with red leather seats . My Z4 is the attention getter but I secretly love my tried and tested 3 series.
I was finding most of this review humorous up until the apples to oranges comparison on the F15 X5 35i and the G05 X5M. If your going to contrast an earlier generation vehicle to a new one, at least compare the same models.
I''ve owned 13 BMWs and even had an i3 for a few years. Im on my 3rd X5 and have found all 3 of different generations to be extremely reliable and comparably cheap to own.
The secret to buying and owning these cars is simple. If you want to own one outright, buy a CPO car and negotiate for the best wrap extended warranty you can. Service contracts are pure margin for dealers. You might be surprised how well you can bargain for a discount on one at time of sale. If you want to own the latest and have all the new BMW technology and performance upgrades, look at leasing. BMW FS has some great packages and you can always buy out the lease at end of term if you love the car. Finally, if you own a BMW thats out of warranty, find a reputable independent shop that works on them. One thing I agree with about this review is that BMW dealer labor rates are ridiculously high.
Final thought... erything represented here about dealer practices, the use of plastics, and the ups and downs of market pricing apply to every other luxury brand on tbe market. Ask anyone who onwns a Mercedes or Range Rover.
I'll probably b dead b4 I'll buy and EV or a hybrid 😂
If you can fix/maintain it, get one... Else run away, run away!!
True run free
This video is misleading because it assumes people take thei cars to the dealership. We own 6 BMWs and never taken to dealership for service. I do my own maintenance and use an old fashioned independent garage for other service. You save a lot of money by doing you own services including brakes
I do much of my own too, but I found that eventually there is no stopping the bleeding and then its time to cut the losses
Same here…had my German engineered car for 7 years with no issues. But I will get rid of it before I start having major maintenance issues.
Very informative, great video!
BMW, Jaguar, Cadillac, Mercedes, Rolls are are service nightmares! I had an XJ6. Every single time something went wrong it cost me $2,000. (This was after warranty) New brakes…2K, Exhaust 3K, Tires… 2.5K, electronic issues (and there were many) at least $800 every time. My friend bought a used 5series and it was in the shop almost monthly. To the people getting blown away by getting a used Beemer for cheap, you WILL need a boat load of money and even more patience to deal with the many headaches!
100 percent
What about porsche ?
BMW is by far one of the best innovators. They keep the style conscious consumers wanting more with new flavors. This company keeps manufacturing cost down with small changes to their product life expectancy. BMW masterfully has made changes while on the same hand maintaining consumer perception of high quality. My hat goes off to their effective strategy, lots to learn from this company. Wonder what levels of improvement in innovation strategies can the overall market withstand?
Thanks for reminding me to definitely get an
extended FACTORY warranty on my next BMW purchase!!
You bet
Priorities… first buy a decent nice house that matches with your BMW. Please don’t buy a BMW and live on rental or in a council state… it’s becoming a trend and it’s awful!
Haha nice
I have 2011 bmw 328i , LOVE IT , my son maintains it himself..
Total garbage. Non stop repairs on mine and Im a mechanics friend. He said to trash it. Worst cars ever.
1:51 $400 for the bmw oil change should be taken in consideratioin that you only change the oil in them 10,000mils/12 months. the nissan is probably 3,000miles/3 months
so, it's actually less expensive - even more so when you factor time saved.
yeah but, Lifes too short to be driving reliable cars
Gotta drive something fun as least
Lexus please
Thanks
It’s loaded with technology, has high performance capabilities and is not linked to a larger car company which means parts are not mass produced. Lastly the sales numbers indicate that people love their BMWs. No one who can afford to buy a BMW is driving a Lexus. No one under age 60.
BMW is for the person poor at math or just doesn't care.
@@DerKirchenhocker
Meaning the people who can afford not to care about a car they will trade in every 3 years. BMW reliability is only an issue for poor people who have to keep a car for a long period.
@@drstevej2527 Exactly.
Oil changes on my F30 couldn't be easier. Oil changes on this car at the dealership should be a crime. Brake pad replacements. you can do all 4 in under an hour! I would recommend anyone who drives a car to take basic maintenance classes or learn from a friend... it will save you a ton of money and you can do most upkeep service right from your own driveway.
Its just manufacturing affected by regulations as it seems used car sales will not be affected by the future regulations. That means the used market will see cars maintaining their value or even appreciating!
I would lease a BMW, not own it.
Great way to have the fun but not be punished
Same. Tbh i would probably try to get rid off it before the lease is up just to be safe.
My used M2 wasn’t cheap 😂
Those hold their value
@@ECPP Thank God for that, hopefully I’ll be able to sell it for a decent price when I’m ready to move on 👍
Ehh I'm sure he's referring to non m series forb the most part. As M series will always hold value since the whole flex with owning one is only you paid a lot for it.
Ha, I just picked up my used BMW today
Congrats, and happy motoring!👍
Nice, what did ya buy
2016 535i, the N55 feels so much better than the old N20 I had
@@calebc2748 N55/B58 power💪
@B58 💪💪
After warranty is over you don’t have to take it to dealer for oil change buy filter and oil and have Valvoline change it for you for $50
I was going to look at a F10 535i tomorrow and decided to check YT for some info. After watching your video I have decided to not buy a BMW. Honestly, thank you for saving me all that headache!
You are very welcome and it’s certainly not for everyone. Any ideas what’s next?
@@ECPPHaha that's a good question, I honestly don't know yet. I might have to go with Toyota or Honda since they are the most reliable brands. I am hearing good things about Kia as well. What would you recommend? A car that is not boring but also reliable? I love Lexus but they are too expensive even used ones.
Because they are junk after 6 or 7 years😂
That is a factor
I'd say about 10 years or 100k KM which ever comes first. BMW is notorious for engine/turbo fluid leaks after 10 years or 120k KM. Unless the driver drives it like a race car then 6-7 years can be achieved.
I do not know WHERE this man is finding ANY late model 10 year old or newer used cars "cheap" but I wish he'd share where because I just spent over 8 months in 2023 finding two used cars for my sons for college with
1 owner
No accidents
Clean title
They are out there but it depends how flexible one is as well
This video scared me away from a BMW. I'm looking to get into a used Luxury SUV that is reliable for under 45k. I'm trying to stay 2020 or newer with 30k miles or less. I have been looking Q5, but aren't necessarily set on a German build. I just want a cool car once in my life. Would I be safer going to Lincoln, Lexus, or Acura? Thanks so much for all your videos. They are great!
What did you end up going with? I’m on the same boat
@@911ragdoll Just saw this. Ended up with an Infiniti QX60. It has been ok. It is a 2020 and has had a couple small issues.
Regarding your comment about BMW always charging a diagnostic fee no matter what, I almost bought an M2 Competition and opted for a CPO Porsche 718 instead. I'm glad I did. The couple of times I've come in for service or repairs and I know what I need done, my local PSC checks or repairs exactly what I came for. And they do a free multipoint inspection anyway because they know that it reassures the customer and can bring in more business for them.
The reason for all the plastic is because the engine itself get hot obviously and the plastic parts allow those parts to bend and expand with out cracking as easily hence useing say aluminium, it’s still and can not move as easily.
Cheers
I own a 2011 bmw lease buyout. I dont have those problems besides your regular maintenance or fixing something every once in a while. now I have 123,000 miles on it.
I'm late to the party, in the UK and Europe would be ban on the sales of new petrol and diesel cars , not used cars. is it not the same in Canada ?
As an owner of series E-60, I can attest to what he is saying. But here is the difference I bought my car used with less than 80K kms on the clock, I have owned it for 11 years now and hardly put another 80k on it, so the odo shows about 160k kms. Fron day one I went with oem parts, never went inside the dealership and found mechanics that allow you to bring your own parts. Yes they charge me a bit of higher labour but I save more than enough on parts as pretty much all autorepair shops in my parr of the world put a premium of 3 to 4 times on all spares. I still save tons. The ownership experience had been good, because the car had been very reliable, other than normal wear and tear.
The spare parts are still not as cheap as a Toyota or Honda or any other Japanese brand, but that isna given.
I am honestly not interested in buying newer BMWs because their design does not appeal to me but I am actively looking for an E46 330Ci, E36 318is and an E30 325i. I am in negotiations for at least two of them, and before buying I have already meet the requirements. I have a spare parts pipeline, mechanics that can work on them plus I also do basic maintenance such as engine oil change, brake oil change etc my self saving me further. Having said that my situation is unique to me and might not apply to others. The rule of thumb is thr car might be cheap now but it's still very expensive to maintain.
Haha yes indeed, there is now way out with a cheap BmW in the long run. Pay me now or pay me later.
Good video. BMW is a race car, that requires the repair parts and service of German mechanic. A race car needs to be replaced frequently, don't complain.
Even for older cars, the parts can get insanely expensive. The best resource to save money on these cars is TIME. Working on them was not as bad as I thought it would be but it's very time consuming (a lot of plastic shrouds and torx bolts). I've been able to lower my annual costs by doing all maintenance items myself. For critical issues.... good luck man LOL.
A good strategy is to diagnose the car yourself, grab the parts you need that are OE not OEM (to avoid dealer mark ups) then head to a trusted mechanic and specify the exact job you would like done. I can't emphasize enough the importance of building a relationship with a good shop for these cars.
Bought my 1st BMW in 2015. it was a 2013 x5. Got for a great price. Do my own maintenance(all fluid, batteries, brakes and tires). 2024 and the x5 never had a problem. I bought another BMW...a 2020 430i. Awesome price. I love how the maintenance is what people fear so much that cause them to lose their value. Make them so affordable. lol
I guess this is why so many people get rid of them at 40,000 miles. I went to a used luxury car lot and nearly all of them had 40 to 45,000 miles on them. The lights went out on my 7 series. I took it to the dealer and they said it would cost $5,000 just to replace the entire light assembly and it would cost more if they found anything else once they really got in. I sold it privately 2 weeks later!!
What’s your favorite luxury car?
I have 2 bmw x5’s 4.0 for sale, it’s huge stress to flip these. Never again will I try this.
If you really want to trade BMw’s 1-series and some older 3’d are the way to go.
True and a lot of luxury cars are hard to sell on the used market including Benz, Audi, and Jag
Its nice to buy a used BMW when you know how to research and fix yourself. Parts cannons are far cheaper than taking to the shop, especially when even independent shops have lately been trying to get dealer prices for labor. Buy OE parts instead of "Genuine" (Bosch, Lemforder,ect VS BMW Genuine)
Gotta find yourself a good indy repair shop that works on these, 125 for oil service on our 5 series.
That will take you further for sure
Do many people “Buy” BMW or similar or do they lease them?
My experience is maintenance and depreciation are part of the monthly lease payments which are often tax deductible, the second owners usually exposed to the issues you talk about ~ there is no such thing as a cheap second hand BMW
There was a time when we all just bought cars now everyone throws everything away
Ive owned 3 BMW's over the years and only had one model that gave me issues. Take care of your car and it will last. I also have a 2016 Jaguar XF 3.0 Supercharged. People say Jaguars are unreliable. Honestly Jaguars I've owned 2 of them are more reliable than my BMW and I've had no issues out of mu Jaguar vs my 2020 Lexus GS350 but i digress.
Cheers
I have a 330 17 model and is doing well for me! It's been a couple of years now and no problems. I stay up on my maintenance and actually drive my car. Don't let your BMW sit. If you're looking to get a BMW, do your research! Don't get a high mileage, check the maintenance history and look out for new and swapped parts. This might help you reconsider if anything. Bring a trusted mechanic too 🙏🏾
Thanks for everything love the videos
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the support, it’s a lot of fun.
Excellent!!!! Love your show!!
Thanks so much!
@@ECPP I still remember one of your winter broadcasts, “honest cars used John’s” hilarious!!!
Why? because cars like the BMW will cost you an arm and a leg when you bring it to shop and everyone knew that. I know many car enthusiasts stop buying used luxury cars because of it.