The Official VSH Tier List
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Some guy finally releases the video he promised 4 months ago, going over each and every single class, weapon and niche detail one can imagine to highlight how to kill Hale.
Saxton Hale and Captain Knuckles drawing done by Faible
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Thumbnail created by Great Blue
Saxton Hale voicelines done by MegaPieManPhD
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Time Stamps
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:42 Opening
0:04:40 Scout
0:11:46 Soldier
0:21:09 Pyro
0:30:40 Demo
0:39:03 Heavy
0:46:26 Engineer
0:51:45 Medic
0:56:44 Sniper
1:02:29 Spy
1:07:40 Tier List
1:19:42 Outro
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It’s interesting how pyro went from being the worst class without question in versus saxton hale to being actually pretty good just by having airblast not add to Hales charge.
Why was that feature added anyway?
@@korhol2065 to prevent pyro from shutting down hale which, eh demoknights and engineers already did
Me when the slowest gamemode ever has been fixed by letting saxton do ANYTHING but crawl at the nearest person and stun them.
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critswitch pyro used to deal highest damage for a while
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critswitch pyro used to deal highest damage for a while
I absolutely love how UA-cam age restricted the original video but they have absolutely no problem with people uploading half-naked yoga without any restrictions.
3 words: Low Hanging Fruit
@@ramannoodles. That's usually the tastiest kind of fruit.
>half
Its not bad if its "educational"
They still haven’t gotten rid of “Who touched my Pepsi”
we love UA-cam restriction policies
Saxton hale cannot be stopped, no matter how much UA-cam can try
Australian justice!
Control Point: allow me to introduce myself
Once again, the original version didn't deserved to be age-restricted. I need to say this, but UA-cam better THINK before age-restricting.
How do you expect an AI to think?
And before you say "yotube ahould have real people in charge of age restrictions" youtube is WAYYY to massive for that, litterally weeks worth of content uploaded per second, let's say the average video is 5 minutes, that would mean you'd need, youtube would need at least 2,500 people watching videos 24/7, with full time shifts that's 10,000 people needed
@@flamingscar5263 *facepalm*
They need to make the ai better duh
@@flamingscar5263
As mentioned before you can make the ai better. Secondly, you only need to hire people for appeals, and only the time stamp the AI marked for age restriction, no the whole video.
@@flamingscar5263It's fine to have robots age-restrict things, after all it's not very feasible to check every single video by hand.
BUT! Appeals exist. They should be handled by actual humans who actually care, and they really aren't! A bogus age-restriction should be resolvable in a few hours at most by submitting one (1) appeal.
This is the 3rd VSH tier list you’ve ever uploaded. You are truly the VSH tier list king.
still a very important video for the 5 people who still play VSH
I like using the Hitman's Heatmaker a lot in VSH mainly because of the quieter shots. Hale players will most likely target the Sniper if they hear their shot echo through the open map, so having one that's quiet gives you a bigger chance of remaining undetected, at least for my experience.
For those who wonder what the song in the intro is, it's called: find your one way. from the guilty gear strive ost, it's specifically sol badguys theme.
"One does not simply make a TF2 tier list."
-Boromir
Without getting age restricted...
I feel you kinda just glossed over the tiny little buff the widow maker has, it deals bonus damage to the same target as your sentry. In normal games this is complete doodoo poop fart but when your sentry is only gonna be targeting this one guy it actually makes the damage buff noticeable
“complete doodoo poop fart”
This shouldn’t be as funny as it was 😭
Tbh. The only nerf I wish Hale got is to make his punches deal 130 damage.
Unlike the community mod version, in Vscript he got a ton of extra damage damage from ground pound and charge punch which already deal significantly alot more damage then running to someone and punch them, he can keep the power up punch being a full 195 and sentry destroying capability but regular attack should only deal 130.
On top of that, maybe Heavy needs some additional damage resistance like what Medic had? Maybe he should be able to take 3 hits (4 with overheal).
I mean, he's the TANK class. Why is Medic about as tanky as a Heavy?
@@DataDrain02 That also accounted if Hale fist was nerfed to 130 damage since Hale need to 3 punch to kill a heavy. This doesn`t include other ability hale got tho.
@@aibadenshi Ah, fair enough.
And if Hale had this nerf... Medic wouldn't need that innate damage resistance.
Since he would be 2 shot like before.
(This comment is copied over from the original video before it got taken down. I am reposting to see if anyone wants to discuss this)
The video was generally pretty good with solid advice and pretty decent ratings for most things. HOWEVER you both undersold some weapons and classes and completely ignored others.
One weapon I'm super surprised you didn't bring up at all was the reserve shooter. In VSH v-script the reserve shooter does full crits anytime Hale is in the air because of his jumps. It used to be anytime he was off the ground but that was nerfed. The reserve shooter is probably the most consistent damage soldier and pyro can output, especially pyro because it allows him to get decent damage with the crit airshots while Hale is out of range of the flamethrower and moving to much for the flare guns. And on top of that, it has a faster switch speed meaning that when you see Hale in the air you can just swap to it and get some easy shotgun crits on him. All if these things combined make it incredibly powerful and a shame and a blessing more people don't use it in VSH.
Another weapon I feel was undersold was the Force-a-Nature. Most of my time playing VSH has been relegated to scout as he is the class I am most comfortable with and the weapon I consistently get the best results with is the FaN. The extra mobility of having extra jumps and corrections mid-air while still having your primary weapon out is insane and allows for more dodges and jukes from the scouts end. Plus the knockback means that either the Hale is going to have to put way more effort in to killing a FaN scout than a babyface's blaster scout. Because with the babyface all Hale has to do to effectively counter you is do a slam in your area and then you are slowed down to a crawl meaning the Hale can either punch you or finish you off with a charge. With the FaN you still have access to double jumping, and it doesn't negatively affect your movement speed. These things alone make even the stock just as good as babyface however with the knockback and the extra jump, this puts it far and away the best scattergun. You can use it to help push Hale off important teammates, jump up to harder to reach and hit places, allows you to stall Hale so long as you don't miss shots. With all of these things along side scouts innate movement and the even more movement utility that wall climbing gives means that you will get to do the most damage possible with maintaining great survivability. From experience I have reached the last three surviving team members almost every time which means that you also get mini-crits and if left alive long enough full crits meaning the already great knockback is further increased due to the increase in damage. And with fewer teammates alive, you can more freely shove Hale around wherever you need him to go to ensure survivability. Pair the FaN with the Sandman and even if the Hale knows how to avoid most of the slowdown you can be sure that with the extra 50 damage the ball brings you are also getting more long range damage as well as slowing the Hale down for at least a second before the start to realize they need to counter the slowdown.
In my opinion these weapons are hugely powerful and impactful.
Now if we talk about good Hale players there isn't much any class can do but as you said in the video going off of normal Hale players they both get insane value for just having them.
Another note is he didn't really talk about the Direct Hit for the soldier, simply decrying it as bad and moving on, but it actually has a niche no other rocket launcher can fill as effectively consistently:
Support.
With rockets that move faster and deal more damage to Saxton, but the same damage to a soldier who uses them to rocket jump, you can build up banners faster than with any other launcher (except maybe the air strike with a maxed out clip)
The smaller radius and mini-crits on super jumping saxtons is also good, the the latter moreso than the former.
Smaller blast radius' mean that, whilst you can't deal with crowds as well, against Saxton you're only dealing with one guy so that's not as bad, plus with a decent engineer you can offset the ammo used by missing (which is just as bad with every other launcher)
The mini-crits on airborne saxtons allows you to limit an entire axis of movement for him, which is INCREDIBLY good in a gamemode like VSH.
All in all, the Direct Hit works best when you go for a more supporting playstyle with a banner and probably the disciplinary action too, not when you're going for a pure damage role.
as someone who loves BFB scout, have fun catching my opinion!
The old thumbnail was so much better. Why cant UA-cam be less of a dumbass
"i killed your last medic what are you gonna do now?"
the half zat (and drunk) demo: "eyyyy" *charges into hale*
What i love about vsh is how different the meta is from other casual modes. If there is a tf3 in the future I hope it returns
Watched it once, may aswell watch it again! Great and informative content as usual. Shame about UA-cam being silly
Time to rewatch this for the algorithm boost. I got your back SpaceGuy
Gotta say, nice music. Ggst sound track is wild.
Now, onto the rest of the video XD
11:20 you forgot to bring up side strafes with the bonk atomic lunch. Literally the sandman slow but self applied.
bonk atomic lunch 🐱👍
@@corncob5198 Ye. That stuff is my lunch.
I’m honestly impressed with how much better you’ve gotten at the SFM segments
Great teir list and completely agree on the pain train part
Nice list! I think you nailed most of the placements, and this is coming from a vscript VSH enjoyer that's played hundreds of hours. It's not easy covering almost every weapon, and do it well. My only major gripes are Soldier/Trolldier/Spy placement, and you're missing a very important VSH mechanic.
1:14:50
Market gardens and backstabs do the same amount of base damage.
The reason the two hits you compared didn't do the same amount of damage is because they probably didn't. Damage in VSH is calculated by not only the amount of players, but also the amount of teammates who've died. So when you got the 1000 damage backstab it probably took you longer, and more of your team was dead than when you got the 750 MG.
Anyways, maybe I wont have to see scouts with that garbage cleaver or gift wrap anymore, so thanks. If you ever make an updated list please just scream MAD MILK 200x over the scout section.
Used find your one way in the introm respect earned. Hello (hopefully) fellow sol main
I remember seeing you in game spacey, I’d put a link as proof to a screenshot but my comment got removed when I did 💀, but its good to see ya uploading again
I literally just watched the original one yesterday, guess I gotta watch it again.
its been some time since I played VSH (don't even know if people are still playing it), but as medic I used to run the amputator because I hated having 3 or more people with almost no hp looking at me asking for heal, and only being able to slowly heal one at a time. So I preferred to risk doing the taunt with the amputador and try to heal everyone rather than deal with this shit situation with only the medgun
I think you undervalue the Reserve Shooter INSANELY HARD on soldier. Playing with the liberty launcher or even the rocket jumper with the reserve shooter makes you an impossible to catch mosquito that constantly pumps out 40-50 damage hits from really long ranges. While it’s not the best thing you can do, it’s certainly worth a try and DEFINITELY worth at least a mention.
Edit: Pyro too? For shame.
watching all of this knowing damn well i dont have tf2 and i wont remember any of this after it ends. good content!
It's free
@@oddy8849 ....i.. know this.. i just dont play it.
I will now watch another 1:20:35 video to counter the need for a reupload
I sure do love it when youtube restricts videos for no f**kin reason
9:45 LISA mentioned? LISA mentioned? LISA mentioned?
funny how two of the top 4 in the og list are now so far down due to map design differences and making sniper require effort
Cool video!
that intro's a banger
Dude, why was your "threatening" voice weirdly hypnotic?
Greetings, citizen!
I saw some mudcrabs by the water recently; I stay clear of them. Nasty creatures, but I hear their meat is rather tasty.
Saw this guy on SCP: Secret Lab. Just wanted to say I talked with the admins, and they were looking into that guy 👍
I like the direct hit in vs saxton hale :( it taught me how to hit air shots
What? I thought I already watched this, guess I gotta watch it again
tierlist man is back
Man, MegaPieMan’s Saxton voice is pretty spot on.
Welcome back
i love playing with sydney sleeper, it's amazing when u time the mini crits right
Maybe this is just placebo. But, doesn't the stock melee for Demo have more knockback than the swords?
I feel like when I was messing around with Demopan. I knockes Hale away more often.
But... again, could just be placebo.
Also... not sure why you're so angry about the Pain Train. If a Hale LETS you cap. That's his fault. He's so flipping OP. Something that actually gives your team a SLIGHT advantage isn't the end of the world.
Plus give it time, the Pain Train will probably be nerfed like all the other tactics from the past.
Remember when 2 Ubersaw hits gave you full Uber?
Swords have less knockback yes, although technically I think hitting Hale at the maximum sword range + the knockback it deals is equal or close to the same stock bottles.
My issue with the pain train and capping in general is how it completely removes the VS part of Versus Saxton Hale. You gotta realize that all the maps are designed with the point in the middle, aka the best place to stand and be, resulting in people capping a lot more than should be
Obviously there are valid times to cap, but that really only happens if the last 3 guys are turtling Engineer's or Spy and Scout.
@@SpaceGuyOnlineCry some more 😢
@@sirchris6047 i doubt he really cares about one guy insulting him, although i do understandnthere are some problems with his points
Wait I just realized I came back later to finish this video and I’m in it 💀
Lets go yet another VSH tierlist but for official VSH this time
32:48 best sentry save of all time (poor bastard exploded)
God has blessed us with a spathiest hr long tf2 video!
The Sun on a stick might be more useful than usual because Saxton's one opponent versus many, and that could mean he'd be on fire more often.
Isn't Sun on a stick only upside is 100% critical damage vs burning player and 25% fire resistance while active ? The stock bat (which is the worst stock melee in raw DPS, even the stock shovel have 25% more DPS) is better than this due to almost all melees are crit-boosted which include stock bat. Lizard of Oz propably forgot this melee exist because popular bad weapon videos only cover bison, classic, syringe guns, etc (or doesn't know how to buff it to not be borderline overpowered like eyelander & half-zatoichi)
@@michaeljonathan9715 I think the Spy's knife might be worse if you suck at being a spy.
lmaoooo. having a beggars downside be “reduced mobility” is hilarious to me
9:45 heheheheh lisa status effects
crazy how memorable they are. it's been years for me and it instantly took me back
Hale hid all those bodies under a pile of rocks, hes got that sigma mindset
LETS GOOOO
Love the righteous bison section
Wait, how are the miniguns bad? They deal pretty big damages and- oh. They've been artificially nerfed to the grave....
With saxtons speed the flairguns have the same issue as the rockets. The man melter deals good damage has a faster projectile speed meaning you can aim easier and is a good combo tool.
I don’t mind watching this again
9:20
wrap assasian, flying guillotine and BFB lets you have constant full boost
I don't really play tf2 that much anymore so I'm not very experienced in Saxton hale but I would've thought the shotguns would be better. Like it could give Pyro some safe medium range hitscan, and soldier can use it when he needs to reload.
Strats I use against Hale (the one with complex moveset):
Scout - Baby Face's Blaster with cleaver and wrap assassin for Bleed. Very annoying yet too fast (literally, not even low hp Saxton should be able to catch up unless caught by suprise and now suddenly close up). You'll only be in big trouble if it is just you vs Hale when point is unlocked.
Soldier - Katana + Battalion that gives +20 more HP. Bonus points if you got a medic pocket.
Pyro - Anything can work techically on the Hale that doesnt get rage if being airblasted. Go nuts.
Engineer - Either Turtling or Widowmaker can work I suppose.
Heavy - Honestly up to you, I don't really use it. But if going for memes, it would be the xmas gloves.
Demoman - Demoknight.
Spy - Can use anything, just expect to die a lot.
Medic - Anything works, just think about what synergy you bring to other players that have their own kits.
Sniper - Works but hindered in compact maps. You are better off using other classes in compact maps.
Favorite Map? - The one where it has the room with cameras to show locations and broadcasts VC to both teams. Too many fun moments like the FNAF moments caused by players with microphones AND plus the scout strat works wonders there with multiple routes to lose Saxton Hale hot on your tracks.
22:05 Saxton is completely immune to the crocodile pit in Skirmish, airblasting him in there is absolutely pointless
21:01 actually that sounds quite nice would be a good escape from all my mental issues
also i find it kinda funny how the scottish man is actually a really good matchup against hale same for the guy who makes deals with the devil
Spaceguyonline got good music tastes. Its literally the theme i use in the background when i play vsh
Maybe a way to buff heavy could be giving him damage resistance and making him faster and take more knowback the less hp he has
STRRIIIIIKKKEEEE BAAAAAACCKKKKKK
Disciplinary action sounds like it could be a looney tunes skit.
My personal favourite pyro loadout in VSH is the Degreaser - Scorch Shot - Backscratcher combo.
The main idea is to stall Saxton for as long as possible. Sure, the Degreaser has slightly less airblasts, but the Scorch Shot makes up for that by being able to quickly interchange between flare shots and airblasts, resulting in some unpleasant stall. The Backscratcher comes in mainly due to the health kit stat, but I can see more mobility oriented melees being used too.
Isn't buff banner zatoichi soldier neigh unkillable, due to the damage resistance and health buff?
God soldier
29:00 From what I've found testing the Axetinguisher, you actually DON'T get the speed boost when hitting Hale. So it doesn't even have that going for it.
Alright now we're back
The base jumper can also make it easier to hit gardens for new troldiers as a crutch
I did not expect to be jumpscared by Guilty Gear upon opening this video, but I was pleasantly surprised
The combo of the baby face and sandman garuntee you to constantly slow saxton down while still keeping your distance running. Only problem is that you need to hit the sandman balls accurately
The optimal strategy: have at least four Scouts ready to capture the point. This is accomplished by multiple Medics and engineers. Medix to keep the Scout alive an engineer's sentury nests to keep Saxton busy. All other classes and strategies are suboptimal or redundant.
Actually we comprised a team full of only medics and destroyed Saxton. So, Medic should get his own tier.
hearing the "direct hit more like direct shit" joke for the first time since like 2018 gave me whiplash holy shit
hell yeah
Hello, friend of one of the map developers here. I was surprised to hear that my friend Muddy made Tiny Rock... uh... that's all I gotta say, just wanted to flex that I know one of the map devs lol.
Edit: Used to know. Turns out they fucking hate me or some shit.
cuz you're a furry
I'm so glad this wasn't an actual tier list tbh
I just about had a heart attack at thst intro
"L'etanger"...
Props to you for putting on the french accent and trying anyways 😆🥖
Quick tip for sniper on skirmish, yknow that tree people use to get on the bridge? Jump on in and stay there. If you have any use some darker camo cosmetics. Genuinely every single time I’ve done it I’ve ended up with around 5k and being last player standing.
I paused watching this last night and then it gets reuploaded lol
13:17 is that the old model?
I somehow become a powerhouse as scout using baby face blaster winger and the sandman since every weapon adds speed using the winger helps a lot the sandman actually does something and has saved me too many times and going in for 100 damage melee hits is really good for juking or juggling hale
My favorite spy moment in vsh was when I disguised as a pyro on my team, and saxton super punched me then taunted, to which I responded by exiting my dead ring and stabbing him. He even said in chat that I tricked him. I still died after but a lot of people forget that you can disguise as your own teammates, and with the ringer it can be tricky
that's what she said
Who would’ve guessed, the better classes are the ones who can get up close to Saxton Hale, and Live
Oh, nice video
Only one problem, you forgot THE AMBASSADOR!
too bad it got overshadow by *THE* *AMBASSADOR*
1:07:03 as a wise chubby electron man once said "it's better to NOT get shot, then to get shot and have protection." (paraphrasing of course)
Vscript Hale is fun but i've come to resent it for basically killing off plugin Hale mostly for a version with only one boss and only four maps. At least Freak Fortress is still a thing. Plus aside from Medic and Pyro I felt most classes are more fun in Plugin.
Hope he remembered to mention the goat of the Basejumper 🧐
Nice their list!
(ZI Time!)
I love the family guy Death pose haha
how did this even get age restricted? it's literally just gamers discussing game strats
The current theory is that it could have been the thumbnail. But we don’t know for certain since YT didn’t give any justification for the restriction
Idk if it's really that bad about the Beggar's Bazooka, i got really good at it, but it's hit or miss really, you can still land most rockets if you aim properly, because it's predictable that the rockets will be going the way you shoot a bit higher on the crosshair, so you aim lower to hit Saxton, i could land 3 rockets on him depending on the situation, or not hit a single one because i was still reloading lol.
Guilty gear music in the intro? Respect.
Somehow I missed that line about Engie’s buildings surviving after his death in the Vscript version. Most of my plugin VSH experience was on a European VS Ponyville server (don’t feel like elaborating), and on there your death as Engineer would automatically kill your sentry. Learned that the hard way, since my main tactic was being an @$$hole with minis.
Why is the intro Find Your One Way?? 😭 I love it cuz it rocks but that was absolutely the last thing I expected when I clicked on this video
Hang on, I've already watched this
God dammit