The fan-o-war is actually good too because if you wanna play a support scout, you can do that instead of just TRYING to kill people with the worst melee options in the game.
I think people often overlook the sandman and it makes me sad. That stun effect has secured me many kills, not to mention every successful stun gives a bonus point.
The spycice usually switches to your sapper when it melts, but in medieval, you cant, so its a straight upgrade. This also applies to MvM, as the sapper has a cooldown
The latter is unlikely, TF2 usually handles you having no usable weapons by just leaving you empty handed and unable to attack (you can see that eg. in randomizer servers when you lose a spycicle and have passives in the other slots)
Corrections: -The Third Degree can hit the Medic through a patient if he's using the Amputator, so it's still mildly better than the stock Fire Axe. (Though unlike with medibeams it doesnt connect the hit every target healed by the medic, even if he's the one you've hit) -Holiday Punch still has the fastest and most consistent taunt kill in the game, and given Hoovy's high health it's very hard to interrupt in time, so it definitely deserves some credit (And even if you fail the taunt kill, being stunlocked is still a death sentence for the enemy in most situations) -The Ubersaw DOES have the taunt kill going for it, though whether it matters much if at all is debatable. I'd put it in D personally. -The Spycicle actually has no downsides, as it does not melt in Medieval Mode to avoid you from having no weapon, effectively just giving you free infinite extinguishes and afterburn immunity.
I always found it funny how the eviction notice, literal brass knuckles which in real life are designed to make you inflict more pain, deal less damage than heavy's stock fists.
@@brianregner5209 Its both hilarious & horrifying to think that Heavy's bare hands can inflict as much injury as a shovel, bonesaw, or fireaxe can to a human.
fun fact, if you happen to get knocked in the air by a caber demo, that's consideed blast jumping, so technically you can market garden in rare circumstances
It's criminal that you didnt put the killing gloves of boxing in S tier. I have seen and pulled off one man capping last with them critting down player after player. Having what is essentially area denial dps in medieval mode is insane.
@@MorshuGaymingwith the hunstman and a good spot, the only damage you need to worry about is other arrows, so having that regeneration is pretty nice when the rate at which the enemies hit you is so low. Also, he mentioned the regeneration as a major factor for the concherer and amputator, why not mention it AT ALL for the camper?
@@MorshuGaymingwen the only other option is a shield that spesificalo only works against spy if ther ar no spies it's literaly objectivly the best option and he put it in F tier
I used Bonk a lot in medieval mode - on offence, I would stand and body block the enemy spawn exit to give my team time to capture, and on defence, I would stand in the gateway and block charges. I'd argue it's at least more useful than the minicrit drink. The Third Degree, I believe, also hits players connected by the Amputator's taunt, so that's something going for it
Why did you ignore the health regen on the Cozy Camper? It's not like you have many other options for secondary besides Razorback to become immune to Spies.
@@ajragle I'd say both are in similar league, but the health regen definitely puts it over Razorback, which only gives you protection from those Spies. Also what happened to Darwin's Danger Shield giving you more max health?
Yeah, the cozy camper ending up in F-tier when the only alternative was the razorback, was just weird. Sure, the effect isn't anything to write home about in medieval mode, but if the only alternative is a weapon that does absolutely nothing unless you get backstabbed, I don't see any reason to not at least put it in D-tier. I think both the razorback and the cozy camper deserve to be in the same tier, as they both can be viable options, and it just depends on the enemy team which one of the two is better for you to equip. A lot of trickstabby spies on the enemy team? Razorback Only a single free to play spy on the enemy team? Cozy camper
One little tidbit about the Heavy lunchbox items but in particular the Sandvich is that they recharge fully off healthkits, including small ones. As a result a heavy with the Sandvich can effectively pick up a small healthkit, turn it into a medium healthkit and then carry it to a teammate who needs it. This is fairly niche in normal TF2, but I feel like it would actually be very useful in Medieval mode since everyone drops a small healthkit on death, and since respawning healthkits are scarce on DeGroot Keep, picking up dropped healthkits can potentially impact the enemy team's ability to heal
The market gardener and third degree can get very specific uses out of their upsides in medieval mode, the gardener if he's launched by a caber, and the axe if it hits a medic who's using the amputator taunt or someone getting healed by it
There is 1 good use for the Darwins. Enemy snipers standing atop the castle have easy ways to light their arrows. And a flaming arrow bodyshot would kill you. But not with the Darwins.
25:48 Fun fact huntsman CAN flinch although sadly its not that noticeable. Now if cozy camper removed the downside where sniper cant hold arrow for too long or it goes sideways, now THAT would be amazing buff. Even without it I still think cozy camper is nutty unlock helping huntsman a LOT, Although it is less on this gamemode due to abundance of healthpacks, but so long as you dont die to spies often Id still consider cozy over razor
They changed how the gunslinger works, you can hit someone twice then "store" the guaranteed crit anymore, you need to get all 3 swings within one continuous attack
I love using the sun on a stick whilst my friend uses the volcano fragment, it isn't practical but it's super funny once you actually get a kill with it
One thing to note about the battalions back up. If you use it with the half-zatoichi you hard counter any enemies using it. While active the banner blocks the instant kill effect from enemies leaving you free to commit to being the aggressor in a game that favors the shooter, do the math on that one. Combined with the fact that killing another user instantly charges the banner and you get get near total uptime if the enemy team is stubborn. Oh also blocking random crits as a byproduct makes it even more useful.
The atomizer is insane if you know what youre doing with it. You can hop to safety in disadvantagous fights as well as climb the castle before the gate even opened to catch snipers off guard from behind. It's easily S tier if you know all the maps parkour spots.
In fair defense of the cozy camper, you do get health regeneration overtime which can come in handy when a random enemy or spy shows up and you don’t wanna walk back to spawn or find a health kit which can technically make it a C tier at most.
Im a Degroot main, good job with the weapon ranks. The only weapon I would out right ban from medieval mode would be the skillcritter. The reach and crits and 200+ damage is way too powerful for this mode.
>doesn't adjust the tier list screen recording crop after it starts to add extra rows >completely ignores health regen of cozy camper and places it in the direct downgrade tier >pronounces Shahanshah "shanashah"
So valve thought that throwing piss at people and then hitting them with a weapon that will crit them with no on-kill rewards was more unbalanced than the guy with 300hp that can random crit you into full crits just for a lower swing speed, while having a free slot for either minicrits, health buff, or full health restore.
the banana recharges 3x faster than the sandvich (10s), not 2x faster (15s), despite it SAYING it has a 50% recharge rate increase. this can easily be observed in game by just counting how long it takes for the bar to fill back up, or, just looking at the wiki for it.
The developers made jarate non useable in medieval mode for the same reason that the gas passer isn’t useable in medieval mode (aside from the fact that 2016 valve forgot medieval mode even exists.), it wasn’t invented yet. Yes I’m not shiting you, the only reason you can’t throw piss at enemies is because the art of jar based karate (shortened to jarate) wasn’t invented until the events of the main tf2 game modes take place (the setting for medieval mode is that the mercs were sent back in time by marasmus and were prohibited from bringing any weapon that wouldn’t have been invented yet.)
@@tehesprite502 both cum and drinkable milk were invented at the time. But yeah, timeline discrepancies or no, it’s a massive double standard that stunts the already limited loadout options of the gamemode, also they ignore this rule with all melee weapons period so why not ignore it when it isn’t bringing any firearms into the melee focused gamemode, I just don’t get it…
21:42 Ok so I actually had the same problem when doing the contract so I tested it. You actually need to hold the attack key for it to count, 3 taps won't work even if it hits.
I disagree on the Fan O’War. It’s bad for direct combat but running in and getting single hits in a few enemies can help a lot for supporting your team in my experience
I really hope we get some new medieval mode weapons after the bot crisis is sorted out. Iunno like, a fire staff for pyro, a firework cannon for soldier, a ballista for heavy, projectile-based magitek sentries, stuff like that.
Bonk is good for scout knight. If your bleeding and about to die it will save you. I like to pair the 3 rune blade with the bfb and bonk. It makes scout knight a really fun subclass.
The back scratcher is a gamebreaking evil thing. This weapon alone makes any other melee within it's proximity look like a joke since pyro already has relatively high health, decent movement speed and crits 24/7 with this thing.
The Manntreads deserve to be higher on the list. You can use the ‘Treads anytime, but with the banners, you need to fill up a damage meter (unless you have the Conch which then you’re getting health regeneration and 20 more health with the Battalion’s Backup. But then again, the ‘Treads provide more upsides than the banners).
I think that Sandman deserves better, when normally there is no reason to use it at all, in medieval its a great support weapon, basicly you can terrorize some annoying demoknights/spies by slowing effect that have a power of death sentence when used propely. Also including the fact that almost everyone play fast classes there, so there is finally a good reason to slow enemy down to walking speed of the Heavy.. and size of the only medieval map makes ball simply in use way more often
The issue with the slow effect has always been that walking diagonally completely negates the effect. So it really only affects actively charging demoknights and people who don't know better, which is still a fairly good effect, but certainly not worth the downsides.
I once played this mode with my friend, and the strat was simple, they were 2 boxer heavies, and me a conch and disciplinary action soldier suppoeting them, but somehow i ended up in the last point alone against the defense, and somehow i got 3 kills by myself before dying
16:27 Idk what wiki is yapping about. It does 126 at most A N D in order to do 126 dmg you literally have to be bumping enemy gamer playerbox before hitting them, Aka you'll literally only able to see that 126 dmg against unaware snipers who wont see you coming behind their back and wont move away in casual or some melee users who dont realise they dont need to be that close to do dmg.
I would have to say the zatoichi is S tier, healing is fairly limited inside of medieval mode, and while you do get the small health packs on kill, it isn’t amazing. For large fights, you can keep kicking for a long time.
Conniver's should probably be S for its peak potential given it is *the* spy main knife and now they dont have guns to worry about and all kinds of slopes to stab you on. But it's a hard weapon to truly see the ceiling of if you aren't especially practiced.
Honestly, I think the Fan O' War should be in D tier because a Fan O' War helps the whole team and paired with the flying guillotine, you can easily kill any light classes and still be able to put out great DPS over some enemies if they survive. Although the 1 increase in bleed damage isn't much, its still paired with 50 damage + the minicrit bonus. Overall, its a great combo, and very underrated. The only problem with the combo is you have to be close, and the only source of actual damage is the flying guillotine.
holiday punch should definitely ranked higher than stock fist, the crit may not kill people but its instant deny, say demoknight with 200+ HP is instantly shutted down or death ringer spy and theres nothing they can do. Plus as heavy you are most likely move with your team mate and they'll be your finisher. razorback is a niche sniper vs sniper duel backpack, is the only thing you should be using if you are gonna fight that one sniper with the fire arrow
There is a genuine case to be made for Battalion's being the best Soldier Banner in Medieval. The Crit Immunity and Damage Resist in a gamemode where 90% of the enemy team has ways of Guaranteeing Crits and increasing damage can be insanely powerful for Defense. Even better, in a 1 on 1 between Battalion's and the other banners, it completely negates Banner and can severely decrease the healing given out by Conch
i like the detail that the demoman's chapter name (youtube) is mispelled as demoan and soldier chapter name (invideo) is mispelled as solider reflecting the lore of tf2 that demoman is friend of the enemy's team soldier.
i think the comment has unclear, i mean that the spelling errors in the video made a reference to the tf2 lore or i am just overthinking as usual @@THEBIG-1
Cozy Camper deserves at least C tier Because it at least gives a passive hp regen Oh and also the spycicle doesn’t melt in Medieval mode Making it free fire resistance
The third degree’s upside only applies to Amputator medics, which will damage both the heal target and the medic, but wont hit anyone else if you hit the medic
I think the third degree can damage everyone healed by the amputator taunt ... Maybe only if you hit the medic, I forgot. But that can lead to some nice damage. Maybe not enough for B tier, but has it's moments. Only to equip if you see a medic regularly do it I guess
Equalizer is at least c tier to though. Equalizer's damage penatly gets offset by the fact you get random crits all the time, meaning as long is you don't get killed instantly you have a chance to do more damage than stock. Also, you have a better chance at using a banner with this weapon on the same principle, while also having a lot of synergy with the Backup and Conch. Also, also, you can start with a damage bonus if you jump off the walls. This works with either of the aformentioned banners because they increase your survivability after the fact. The tauntkill can be used to clear a point in certain situations. (The mantreads are E tier as well because you can damage an enemy ahead of time in skirmishes. Not useless, especially if you plan on dying anyways for the greater cause or if you bank on the fact of getting a kill with the Zatoichi.)
18:31 the banana recharges three times for every sandvich recharge, don't no if you meant to word it like that but I had a hard time understanding that
My favourite load out (and why I feel like the turner should be in A) for demoknight is Boots Tide Turner Half Zatoichi Every kill you get an immediate 100% charge, you can choose if you gotta get out, or get another minicrit. The Zatoichi provides you with a good chunk of health, as you are now tied with soldier in health, and when you get to overheal range you are practically unkillable. The turner allows some VERY satisfying kills, and if you are getting chased you can get some hits on a sniper or spy to have an advantage. Don't back away because of the mini crits, I have gotten 10+ killstreaks on offense last with this
When you talked about the cozy camper, you just forgot about the passive health. It’s FREE HEALTH vs NOTHING in your secondary slot, it’s B tier, not F
Atomizer and guillotine is my favorite scout setup to run on degroot keep. If you know how to jump around and make it inside the castle you can just annoy people with your guillotine and run away if they try to get you. Inflict bleed on as many people possible.
the sandman is actually pretty good when paired with the cleaver. 45 damage critical plus the 50 damage from the cleaver makes it pretty powerful, and without sacrificing melee damage. the only real downside is huntsmen can one shot you to the body, but it's easy to work around.
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The Sandman actually has one niche in medieval mode, in that it can instantly stop a demo charging. Definitely at least a C tier imo.
not so niche when 80% of the players are demoknight
@@brickbattlepro9862 but... that's what a niche is
The fan-o-war is actually good too because if you wanna play a support scout, you can do that instead of just TRYING to kill people with the worst melee options in the game.
I think people often overlook the sandman and it makes me sad. That stun effect has secured me many kills, not to mention every successful stun gives a bonus point.
@@TheMilkshakeMarxist sandman stun hasn't been in the game for years dude
the spycicle is coded to recharge instantly in medieval mode. its just stock but with cool ice statues
And also imune to SVF + axetinguisher shenanigans
The spycice usually switches to your sapper when it melts, but in medieval, you cant, so its a straight upgrade. This also applies to MvM, as the sapper has a cooldown
Not sure if is an actual code or just that no sapper
The latter is unlikely, TF2 usually handles you having no usable weapons by just leaving you empty handed and unable to attack (you can see that eg. in randomizer servers when you lose a spycicle and have passives in the other slots)
Nice Green Black Hole dude
Corrections:
-The Third Degree can hit the Medic through a patient if he's using the Amputator, so it's still mildly better than the stock Fire Axe. (Though unlike with medibeams it doesnt connect the hit every target healed by the medic, even if he's the one you've hit)
-Holiday Punch still has the fastest and most consistent taunt kill in the game, and given Hoovy's high health it's very hard to interrupt in time, so it definitely deserves some credit (And even if you fail the taunt kill, being stunlocked is still a death sentence for the enemy in most situations)
-The Ubersaw DOES have the taunt kill going for it, though whether it matters much if at all is debatable. I'd put it in D personally.
-The Spycicle actually has no downsides, as it does not melt in Medieval Mode to avoid you from having no weapon, effectively just giving you free infinite extinguishes and afterburn immunity.
The spysicle still has the unique ice statue, meaning being stealthy is harder
@@segadoeswhatnintendont it also has a weird backstab hitbox
-MFD turns normal hits into minicrits, not minicrits into crits.
the Fan o War specifically has the effect where it crits whenever it would normally minicrit@@ethanblair981
I thought the huntsman taunt kill was the fastest taunt kill in the game
I always found it funny how the eviction notice, literal brass knuckles which in real life are designed to make you inflict more pain, deal less damage than heavy's stock fists.
Heavy's fists are not to be trifled with.
They also hurt the wearer for some reason
@@shaynehughes6645 cold brass makes heavy uncomfortable and thus he takes damage.
Heavy is just built different
@@brianregner5209 Its both hilarious & horrifying to think that Heavy's bare hands can inflict as much injury as a shovel, bonesaw, or fireaxe can to a human.
fun fact, if you happen to get knocked in the air by a caber demo, that's consideed blast jumping, so technically you can market garden in rare circumstances
Sounds like you are challenging me
@@Piece-Of-Time if you mean, challenging you to get a market garden crit kill in medieval mode?
Mebbe....
@@fireblast133 yes😈
Gentlemen.
I may not have a brain.
But I do have an idea.
20:40 *"You're able to taunt kill right after, which is amusing the first few times"*
[Checks Strange Holiday Punch]
[80 taunt kills]
It's criminal that you didnt put the killing gloves of boxing in S tier. I have seen and pulled off one man capping last with them critting down player after player. Having what is essentially area denial dps in medieval mode is insane.
I agree, they are insane
fr heavy is actually the best class for medieval, this video shows the creator doesn't play heavy a lot.
@@michlop452 wrong it's sniper cause you can just insta kill anyone at range with the huntsman.
fr seen it happen way more than not
yep, you can absolutely wipe an entire server with them
I find it funny how invisibility devices and teleportation (eureka) can exist in Medieval times, but a jar of piss can't.
clearly you haven't heard of the arcane arts
they knew how powerful jarate + bushwacka is but they had to keep every melee weapon, so guess what had to go
Merasmus had too much Halloween ptsd
jarate was simply way too OP
You see, Piss was invented by John Pissman in 1987.
Before that, we had to sweat all the bad stuff out!
Mate, how tf did you forget about the regeneration of the Cozy Camper. That's its main upside!
Nuh uh
I would disagree for a game mode where most hits deal at least half your health
@@MorshuGaymingwith the hunstman and a good spot, the only damage you need to worry about is other arrows, so having that regeneration is pretty nice when the rate at which the enemies hit you is so low.
Also, he mentioned the regeneration as a major factor for the concherer and amputator, why not mention it AT ALL for the camper?
I just flip-flop between CC and the Razorback, depending on how many spies there are on the enemy team.
@@MorshuGaymingwen the only other option is a shield that spesificalo only works against spy if ther ar no spies it's literaly objectivly the best option and he put it in F tier
20:46
It’s sort of endearing to see everyone stop fighting and moving to watch u finished your well earned taunt kill lol
Good thing about the Boston Basher: Bleed is easily counteracted by the 5 quintillion small health packs!
And milk
@@MINICUBANT It isn't milk...
I used Bonk a lot in medieval mode - on offence, I would stand and body block the enemy spawn exit to give my team time to capture, and on defence, I would stand in the gateway and block charges. I'd argue it's at least more useful than the minicrit drink.
The Third Degree, I believe, also hits players connected by the Amputator's taunt, so that's something going for it
You play the objective in medieval mode?
@@adudeonthemoon7050how else do you get the battle of all time in the middle of the castle without capturing the objectives to open the gate
This strategy can be improved by using the laught taunt
Why did you ignore the health regen on the Cozy Camper? It's not like you have many other options for secondary besides Razorback to become immune to Spies.
I'd argue the health regen makes it D or C tier.
It's a small upside that's more universal than the razorback, but it's not effectively game changing.
@@ajragle I'd say both are in similar league, but the health regen definitely puts it over Razorback, which only gives you protection from those Spies. Also what happened to Darwin's Danger Shield giving you more max health?
@@Boomblox5896
If it still offers a health boost of any kind it's automatically a C.
@@ajragle I checked, and sadly, they patched out that health boost from the Danger Shield. F-tier it is then...
Yeah, the cozy camper ending up in F-tier when the only alternative was the razorback, was just weird. Sure, the effect isn't anything to write home about in medieval mode, but if the only alternative is a weapon that does absolutely nothing unless you get backstabbed, I don't see any reason to not at least put it in D-tier.
I think both the razorback and the cozy camper deserve to be in the same tier, as they both can be viable options, and it just depends on the enemy team which one of the two is better for you to equip.
A lot of trickstabby spies on the enemy team? Razorback
Only a single free to play spy on the enemy team? Cozy camper
"guaranteed random crits"
One little tidbit about the Heavy lunchbox items but in particular the Sandvich is that they recharge fully off healthkits, including small ones. As a result a heavy with the Sandvich can effectively pick up a small healthkit, turn it into a medium healthkit and then carry it to a teammate who needs it. This is fairly niche in normal TF2, but I feel like it would actually be very useful in Medieval mode since everyone drops a small healthkit on death, and since respawning healthkits are scarce on DeGroot Keep, picking up dropped healthkits can potentially impact the enemy team's ability to heal
The bas jumper is actually how people clip into the trees past the river, so it should be S tier. 😎
Shit youre right my bad
huntsman and crossbow arrows count as bullets, so they actually will do more damage to the pain train soldiers
Ah yes , Solider. My favourite class.
I like enginer better.
@@bruhuk_obama nah bro spi is a better option.
You're all wrong. Hevy is best
I can’t believe this slander. Everyone knows that Scott is the best class
You haven’t heard of Deman?
The market gardener and third degree can get very specific uses out of their upsides in medieval mode, the gardener if he's launched by a caber, and the axe if it hits a medic who's using the amputator taunt or someone getting healed by it
Sun on a stick with the fireball spell on sandcastle is wild, would recommend trying it while the halloween event is going
Ah yes, cp_degrootkeep_rats, one of my favoruite maps
There is 1 good use for the Darwins.
Enemy snipers standing atop the castle have easy ways to light their arrows. And a flaming arrow bodyshot would kill you. But not with the Darwins.
25:48 Fun fact huntsman CAN flinch although sadly its not that noticeable. Now if cozy camper removed the downside where sniper cant hold arrow for too long or it goes sideways, now THAT would be amazing buff. Even without it I still think cozy camper is nutty unlock helping huntsman a LOT, Although it is less on this gamemode due to abundance of healthpacks, but so long as you dont die to spies often Id still consider cozy over razor
They changed how the gunslinger works, you can hit someone twice then "store" the guaranteed crit anymore, you need to get all 3 swings within one continuous attack
no?
The atomizer lets you scale over the wall on our one and only official medieval mode map. Pretty funny.
I love using the sun on a stick whilst my friend uses the volcano fragment, it isn't practical but it's super funny once you actually get a kill with it
If you think about it the eureka effect is actualy s-tier, because you can tp to spaqn and change classes.
Cozy camper f tier? My friend passive health regen is always helpful, at least its better than the danger shield
Yeah it’s a C tier at least
One thing to note about the battalions back up. If you use it with the half-zatoichi you hard counter any enemies using it. While active the banner blocks the instant kill effect from enemies leaving you free to commit to being the aggressor in a game that favors the shooter, do the math on that one. Combined with the fact that killing another user instantly charges the banner and you get get near total uptime if the enemy team is stubborn. Oh also blocking random crits as a byproduct makes it even more useful.
The atomizer is insane if you know what youre doing with it. You can hop to safety in disadvantagous fights as well as climb the castle before the gate even opened to catch snipers off guard from behind. It's easily S tier if you know all the maps parkour spots.
“hop to safety in disadvantageous fights” he says when a demoknight knows how to trimp up there too
In fair defense of the cozy camper, you do get health regeneration overtime which can come in handy when a random enemy or spy shows up and you don’t wanna walk back to spawn or find a health kit which can technically make it a C tier at most.
Sniping people with the crossbow is my favorite thing to do in medieval mode!
"The volcano fragment is still a good weapon"
That is a phrase I thougt I'd NEVER hear in my entire life
Imagine if engine could make a "sentry" that is a ballista, and has to be controlled by the wrangler.
ah yes, my favorite class, engine
Im a Degroot main, good job with the weapon ranks. The only weapon I would out right ban from medieval mode would be the skillcritter. The reach and crits and 200+ damage is way too powerful for this mode.
>doesn't adjust the tier list screen recording crop after it starts to add extra rows
>completely ignores health regen of cozy camper and places it in the direct downgrade tier
>pronounces Shahanshah "shanashah"
Always remember,in medieval times, you could put non-milk in a bottle and make radioactive sodas, but you couldn’t piss in a bottle.
So valve thought that throwing piss at people and then hitting them with a weapon that will crit them with no on-kill rewards was more unbalanced than the guy with 300hp that can random crit you into full crits just for a lower swing speed, while having a free slot for either minicrits, health buff, or full health restore.
I believe the third degree can also hit through amputator taunt which means that it can be used
real chill video, felt like watching any other high quality tf2 content, good work
Loved medieval mode when I played it many years back, demoknight went hard and any new weapon I could get my hands on was a treat
the banana recharges 3x faster than the sandvich (10s), not 2x faster (15s), despite it SAYING it has a 50% recharge rate increase. this can easily be observed in game by just counting how long it takes for the bar to fill back up, or, just looking at the wiki for it.
The developers made jarate non useable in medieval mode for the same reason that the gas passer isn’t useable in medieval mode (aside from the fact that 2016 valve forgot medieval mode even exists.), it wasn’t invented yet.
Yes I’m not shiting you, the only reason you can’t throw piss at enemies is because the art of jar based karate (shortened to jarate) wasn’t invented until the events of the main tf2 game modes take place (the setting for medieval mode is that the mercs were sent back in time by marasmus and were prohibited from bringing any weapon that wouldn’t have been invented yet.)
Yet Scout's Milk-like substance in a jar *was* invented.
@@tehesprite502 both cum and drinkable milk were invented at the time.
But yeah, timeline discrepancies or no, it’s a massive double standard that stunts the already limited loadout options of the gamemode, also they ignore this rule with all melee weapons period so why not ignore it when it isn’t bringing any firearms into the melee focused gamemode, I just don’t get it…
21:42 Ok so I actually had the same problem when doing the contract so I tested it.
You actually need to hold the attack key for it to count, 3 taps won't work even if it hits.
Oh that's how it works. kinda neat
Happy 100k 🎉 (been here since 60)
I used the skullcutter and sat at the castle control point and random crit a pyro 5 times in a row
Thanks champs couldnt do it without ya!
In medieval the fragment volcano also has the downside of healthpacks being all over the place, making dot kinda lacking
“The huntsman is the best projectile weapon in the game”
The rocket launcher: 💀
Props to him for not making a mad milk joke
The third degree does actually apply, amputator heals count as being healed so all in the healing area get damaged
The third degree sometimes can destroy the whole group if there is amputatoe med on enemy team. So its upside applies in medieval
The Boston basher can be used by a blue to scale degroot keep and get inside the castle before both points are captured.
one niche for the bonk atomic punch. you can scale the wall with the boston basher and drink it to survive long enough to get to a health pack
I disagree on the Fan O’War. It’s bad for direct combat but running in and getting single hits in a few enemies can help a lot for supporting your team in my experience
You can only mark one enemy to death at the same time
I personally think that the hot hand deserves a higher tier because of the taunt kill.
I didnt even know that the weapon had a taunt kill
I really hope we get some new medieval mode weapons after the bot crisis is sorted out. Iunno like, a fire staff for pyro, a firework cannon for soldier, a ballista for heavy, projectile-based magitek sentries, stuff like that.
Bonk is good for scout knight. If your bleeding and about to die it will save you. I like to pair the 3 rune blade with the bfb and bonk. It makes scout knight a really fun subclass.
Bro forgot that the Cozy Camper gives 4+ HP per second.
The back scratcher is a gamebreaking evil thing. This weapon alone makes any other melee within it's proximity look like a joke since pyro already has relatively high health, decent movement speed and crits 24/7 with this thing.
The Manntreads deserve to be higher on the list. You can use the ‘Treads anytime, but with the banners, you need to fill up a damage meter (unless you have the Conch which then you’re getting health regeneration and 20 more health with the Battalion’s Backup. But then again, the ‘Treads provide more upsides than the banners).
I think that Sandman deserves better, when normally there is no reason to use it at all, in medieval its a great support weapon, basicly you can terrorize some annoying demoknights/spies by slowing effect that have a power of death sentence when used propely. Also including the fact that almost everyone play fast classes there, so there is finally a good reason to slow enemy down to walking speed of the Heavy.. and size of the only medieval map makes ball simply in use way more often
The issue with the slow effect has always been that walking diagonally completely negates the effect. So it really only affects actively charging demoknights and people who don't know better, which is still a fairly good effect, but certainly not worth the downsides.
They should let engie build dispensers in medieval mode
Make his dispenser look like a hunk of ham spitroasting over a fire with a stack of arrows next to it
I once played this mode with my friend, and the strat was simple, they were 2 boxer heavies, and me a conch and disciplinary action soldier suppoeting them, but somehow i ended up in the last point alone against the defense, and somehow i got 3 kills by myself before dying
16:27 Idk what wiki is yapping about. It does 126 at most A N D in order to do 126 dmg you literally have to be bumping enemy gamer playerbox before hitting them, Aka you'll literally only able to see that 126 dmg against unaware snipers who wont see you coming behind their back and wont move away in casual or some melee users who dont realise they dont need to be that close to do dmg.
The sandman's max hp penalty breaks the threshold for one-shotting with a fully charged huntsman arrow even on bodyshots
20:49 i remember getting the achievement for emoting as sniper after a kill.
That's forever gonna live in my head rent free
I would have to say the zatoichi is S tier, healing is fairly limited inside of medieval mode, and while you do get the small health packs on kill, it isn’t amazing. For large fights, you can keep kicking for a long time.
Its criminal you cant use the gas passer in medieval mode. It have been useful outside of mvm for once.
Conniver's should probably be S for its peak potential given it is *the* spy main knife and now they dont have guns to worry about and all kinds of slopes to stab you on. But it's a hard weapon to truly see the ceiling of if you aren't especially practiced.
Ah yes, my favorite class. The Solider. Not to be confused with the Liquider.
the disciplinary action has the melee Marth grab range
Honestly, I think the Fan O' War should be in D tier because a Fan O' War helps the whole team and paired with the flying guillotine, you can easily kill any light classes and still be able to put out great DPS over some enemies if they survive. Although the 1 increase in bleed damage isn't much, its still paired with 50 damage + the minicrit bonus. Overall, its a great combo, and very underrated. The only problem with the combo is you have to be close, and the only source of actual damage is the flying guillotine.
Its wild that you can use the watches but not a jar of piss
Piss was invented after the medieval times so it makes sense
We need more medieval mode maps
The Eureka effect is fine on defense since you respawn right next to the point inside the castle.
holiday punch should definitely ranked higher than stock fist, the crit may not kill people but its instant deny, say demoknight with 200+ HP is instantly shutted down or death ringer spy and theres nothing they can do. Plus as heavy you are most likely move with your team mate and they'll be your finisher.
razorback is a niche sniper vs sniper duel backpack, is the only thing you should be using if you are gonna fight that one sniper with the fire arrow
My favorite part of these ratings is that it sounds like the soldiers shoes were forgotten and had to be recoded later
NOT SO LOUDLY
This mode needs way more maps
There is a genuine case to be made for Battalion's being the best Soldier Banner in Medieval. The Crit Immunity and Damage Resist in a gamemode where 90% of the enemy team has ways of Guaranteeing Crits and increasing damage can be insanely powerful for Defense. Even better, in a 1 on 1 between Battalion's and the other banners, it completely negates Banner and can severely decrease the healing given out by Conch
i like the detail that the demoman's chapter name (youtube) is mispelled as demoan and soldier chapter name (invideo) is mispelled as solider reflecting the lore of tf2 that demoman is friend of the enemy's team soldier.
And here i thought my channel was perfect, damn it
i think the comment has unclear, i mean that the spelling errors in the video made a reference to the tf2 lore
or i am just overthinking as usual @@THEBIG-1
I think the fan o war deserves more credit, I use it with the mad milk as a pseudo-support scout and honestly do pretty well
Cozy Camper deserves at least C tier
Because it at least gives a passive hp regen
Oh and also the spycicle doesn’t melt in Medieval mode
Making it free fire resistance
The third degree’s upside only applies to Amputator medics, which will damage both the heal target and the medic, but wont hit anyone else if you hit the medic
You can use the third degree if you find a medic who is using the healing saw taunt
It is the third agree
thanks@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257
I think the third degree can damage everyone healed by the amputator taunt ... Maybe only if you hit the medic, I forgot. But that can lead to some nice damage. Maybe not enough for B tier, but has it's moments.
Only to equip if you see a medic regularly do it I guess
Great video, I really respect the use of SM64 Black Hole Sun in the Soldier section.
25:45 excuse me what?! Did you just straight up forget the passive healing or what's going on?
1:33 that description is a bit outdated. Despite this small oversight I pointed out for no reason, great video!
I can't believe they added another medieval mode map.
Equalizer is at least c tier to though. Equalizer's damage penatly gets offset by the fact you get random crits all the time, meaning as long is you don't get killed instantly you have a chance to do more damage than stock. Also, you have a better chance at using a banner with this weapon on the same principle, while also having a lot of synergy with the Backup and Conch. Also, also, you can start with a damage bonus if you jump off the walls. This works with either of the aformentioned banners because they increase your survivability after the fact. The tauntkill can be used to clear a point in certain situations.
(The mantreads are E tier as well because you can damage an enemy ahead of time in skirmishes. Not useless, especially if you plan on dying anyways for the greater cause or if you bank on the fact of getting a kill with the Zatoichi.)
wait, bushwhacka has GAMAGE VULNERABILITY!? i have over 1300h, played on sniper only with it and only now i learn about it. just... lol.
No but for real, WHO THOUGH IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT THE SCOTSMAN SCULL CUTTER CRIT?!
18:31 the banana recharges three times for every sandvich recharge, don't no if you meant to word it like that but I had a hard time understanding that
13:50 “it doesn’t guarantee you a random crit”
My favourite load out (and why I feel like the turner should be in A) for demoknight is
Boots
Tide Turner
Half Zatoichi
Every kill you get an immediate 100% charge, you can choose if you gotta get out, or get another minicrit. The Zatoichi provides you with a good chunk of health, as you are now tied with soldier in health, and when you get to overheal range you are practically unkillable. The turner allows some VERY satisfying kills, and if you are getting chased you can get some hits on a sniper or spy to have an advantage.
Don't back away because of the mini crits, I have gotten 10+ killstreaks on offense last with this
“Demoman is the best class in the game.” Medic has left the building
The third degree applies to medics using the amputator taunt.
When you talked about the cozy camper, you just forgot about the passive health. It’s FREE HEALTH vs NOTHING in your secondary slot, it’s B tier, not F
there’s no piss in medieval?
@@joycongrip no there isnt
Atomizer and guillotine is my favorite scout setup to run on degroot keep. If you know how to jump around and make it inside the castle you can just annoy people with your guillotine and run away if they try to get you. Inflict bleed on as many people possible.
The bonk has a fun gimmick by roleplaying as Gandalf using a kill taunt for any unfortunate soul trying to pass the gates
the sandman is actually pretty good when paired with the cleaver. 45 damage critical plus the 50 damage from the cleaver makes it pretty powerful, and without sacrificing melee damage. the only real downside is huntsmen can one shot you to the body, but it's easy to work around.