The fan-o-war is actually good too because if you wanna play a support scout, you can do that instead of just TRYING to kill people with the worst melee options in the game.
I think people often overlook the sandman and it makes me sad. That stun effect has secured me many kills, not to mention every successful stun gives a bonus point.
The spycice usually switches to your sapper when it melts, but in medieval, you cant, so its a straight upgrade. This also applies to MvM, as the sapper has a cooldown
The latter is unlikely, TF2 usually handles you having no usable weapons by just leaving you empty handed and unable to attack (you can see that eg. in randomizer servers when you lose a spycicle and have passives in the other slots)
I always found it funny how the eviction notice, literal brass knuckles which in real life are designed to make you inflict more pain, deal less damage than heavy's stock fists.
@@brianregner5209 Its both hilarious & horrifying to think that Heavy's bare hands can inflict as much injury as a shovel, bonesaw, or fireaxe can to a human.
fun fact, if you happen to get knocked in the air by a caber demo, that's consideed blast jumping, so technically you can market garden in rare circumstances
Corrections: -The Third Degree can hit the Medic through a patient if he's using the Amputator, so it's still mildly better than the stock Fire Axe. (Though unlike with medibeams it doesnt connect the hit every target healed by the medic, even if he's the one you've hit) -Holiday Punch still has the fastest and most consistent taunt kill in the game, and given Hoovy's high health it's very hard to interrupt in time, so it definitely deserves some credit (And even if you fail the taunt kill, being stunlocked is still a death sentence for the enemy in most situations) -The Ubersaw DOES have the taunt kill going for it, though whether it matters much if at all is debatable. I'd put it in D personally. -The Spycicle actually has no downsides, as it does not melt in Medieval Mode to avoid you from having no weapon, effectively just giving you free infinite extinguishes and afterburn immunity.
It's criminal that you didnt put the killing gloves of boxing in S tier. I have seen and pulled off one man capping last with them critting down player after player. Having what is essentially area denial dps in medieval mode is insane.
@@MorshuGamingwith the hunstman and a good spot, the only damage you need to worry about is other arrows, so having that regeneration is pretty nice when the rate at which the enemies hit you is so low. Also, he mentioned the regeneration as a major factor for the concherer and amputator, why not mention it AT ALL for the camper?
I used Bonk a lot in medieval mode - on offence, I would stand and body block the enemy spawn exit to give my team time to capture, and on defence, I would stand in the gateway and block charges. I'd argue it's at least more useful than the minicrit drink. The Third Degree, I believe, also hits players connected by the Amputator's taunt, so that's something going for it
Why did you ignore the health regen on the Cozy Camper? It's not like you have many other options for secondary besides Razorback to become immune to Spies.
@@ajragle I'd say both are in similar league, but the health regen definitely puts it over Razorback, which only gives you protection from those Spies. Also what happened to Darwin's Danger Shield giving you more max health?
Yeah, the cozy camper ending up in F-tier when the only alternative was the razorback, was just weird. Sure, the effect isn't anything to write home about in medieval mode, but if the only alternative is a weapon that does absolutely nothing unless you get backstabbed, I don't see any reason to not at least put it in D-tier. I think both the razorback and the cozy camper deserve to be in the same tier, as they both can be viable options, and it just depends on the enemy team which one of the two is better for you to equip. A lot of trickstabby spies on the enemy team? Razorback Only a single free to play spy on the enemy team? Cozy camper
One little tidbit about the Heavy lunchbox items but in particular the Sandvich is that they recharge fully off healthkits, including small ones. As a result a heavy with the Sandvich can effectively pick up a small healthkit, turn it into a medium healthkit and then carry it to a teammate who needs it. This is fairly niche in normal TF2, but I feel like it would actually be very useful in Medieval mode since everyone drops a small healthkit on death, and since respawning healthkits are scarce on DeGroot Keep, picking up dropped healthkits can potentially impact the enemy team's ability to heal
They changed how the gunslinger works, you can hit someone twice then "store" the guaranteed crit anymore, you need to get all 3 swings within one continuous attack
The market gardener and third degree can get very specific uses out of their upsides in medieval mode, the gardener if he's launched by a caber, and the axe if it hits a medic who's using the amputator taunt or someone getting healed by it
I love using the sun on a stick whilst my friend uses the volcano fragment, it isn't practical but it's super funny once you actually get a kill with it
The atomizer is insane if you know what youre doing with it. You can hop to safety in disadvantagous fights as well as climb the castle before the gate even opened to catch snipers off guard from behind. It's easily S tier if you know all the maps parkour spots.
In fair defense of the cozy camper, you do get health regeneration overtime which can come in handy when a random enemy or spy shows up and you don’t wanna walk back to spawn or find a health kit which can technically make it a C tier at most.
25:48 Fun fact huntsman CAN flinch although sadly its not that noticeable. Now if cozy camper removed the downside where sniper cant hold arrow for too long or it goes sideways, now THAT would be amazing buff. Even without it I still think cozy camper is nutty unlock helping huntsman a LOT, Although it is less on this gamemode due to abundance of healthpacks, but so long as you dont die to spies often Id still consider cozy over razor
Im a Degroot main, good job with the weapon ranks. The only weapon I would out right ban from medieval mode would be the skillcritter. The reach and crits and 200+ damage is way too powerful for this mode.
There is 1 good use for the Darwins. Enemy snipers standing atop the castle have easy ways to light their arrows. And a flaming arrow bodyshot would kill you. But not with the Darwins.
One thing to note about the battalions back up. If you use it with the half-zatoichi you hard counter any enemies using it. While active the banner blocks the instant kill effect from enemies leaving you free to commit to being the aggressor in a game that favors the shooter, do the math on that one. Combined with the fact that killing another user instantly charges the banner and you get get near total uptime if the enemy team is stubborn. Oh also blocking random crits as a byproduct makes it even more useful.
21:42 Ok so I actually had the same problem when doing the contract so I tested it. You actually need to hold the attack key for it to count, 3 taps won't work even if it hits.
Bonk is good for scout knight. If your bleeding and about to die it will save you. I like to pair the 3 rune blade with the bfb and bonk. It makes scout knight a really fun subclass.
So valve thought that throwing piss at people and then hitting them with a weapon that will crit them with no on-kill rewards was more unbalanced than the guy with 300hp that can random crit you into full crits just for a lower swing speed, while having a free slot for either minicrits, health buff, or full health restore.
I think that Sandman deserves better, when normally there is no reason to use it at all, in medieval its a great support weapon, basicly you can terrorize some annoying demoknights/spies by slowing effect that have a power of death sentence when used propely. Also including the fact that almost everyone play fast classes there, so there is finally a good reason to slow enemy down to walking speed of the Heavy.. and size of the only medieval map makes ball simply in use way more often
The issue with the slow effect has always been that walking diagonally completely negates the effect. So it really only affects actively charging demoknights and people who don't know better, which is still a fairly good effect, but certainly not worth the downsides.
the caber is pretty good imo. you can equip the splendid screen and nuke the last control point with a critical hit and basically kill everyone on the point while on defense
The back scratcher is a gamebreaking evil thing. This weapon alone makes any other melee within it's proximity look like a joke since pyro already has relatively high health, decent movement speed and crits 24/7 with this thing.
Honestly, I think the Fan O' War should be in D tier because a Fan O' War helps the whole team and paired with the flying guillotine, you can easily kill any light classes and still be able to put out great DPS over some enemies if they survive. Although the 1 increase in bleed damage isn't much, its still paired with 50 damage + the minicrit bonus. Overall, its a great combo, and very underrated. The only problem with the combo is you have to be close, and the only source of actual damage is the flying guillotine.
kunai definitely makes S tier for a good enough spy. With stock you can generally get one or two before needing to really run and heal (if you're alive) kunai allow a good spy to actually join the brawls that happen on the map. Not to mention, how tanky you can be. (It is weak to the damage boosting melees though as they one shot, making getting a trickstab off real hard
I think the third degree can damage everyone healed by the amputator taunt ... Maybe only if you hit the medic, I forgot. But that can lead to some nice damage. Maybe not enough for B tier, but has it's moments. Only to equip if you see a medic regularly do it I guess
Conniver's should probably be S for its peak potential given it is *the* spy main knife and now they dont have guns to worry about and all kinds of slopes to stab you on. But it's a hard weapon to truly see the ceiling of if you aren't especially practiced.
My favourite load out (and why I feel like the turner should be in A) for demoknight is Boots Tide Turner Half Zatoichi Every kill you get an immediate 100% charge, you can choose if you gotta get out, or get another minicrit. The Zatoichi provides you with a good chunk of health, as you are now tied with soldier in health, and when you get to overheal range you are practically unkillable. The turner allows some VERY satisfying kills, and if you are getting chased you can get some hits on a sniper or spy to have an advantage. Don't back away because of the mini crits, I have gotten 10+ killstreaks on offense last with this
actually the 3rd degree can be used in medieval mode if a medic is using the AOE taunt of the amputator you can hit the medic, or the person has healing, and they will both take damage.
i like the detail that the demoman's chapter name (youtube) is mispelled as demoan and soldier chapter name (invideo) is mispelled as solider reflecting the lore of tf2 that demoman is friend of the enemy's team soldier.
i think the comment has unclear, i mean that the spelling errors in the video made a reference to the tf2 lore or i am just overthinking as usual @@THEBIG-1
Equalizer is at least c tier to though. Equalizer's damage penatly gets offset by the fact you get random crits all the time, meaning as long is you don't get killed instantly you have a chance to do more damage than stock. Also, you have a better chance at using a banner with this weapon on the same principle, while also having a lot of synergy with the Backup and Conch. Also, also, you can start with a damage bonus if you jump off the walls. This works with either of the aformentioned banners because they increase your survivability after the fact. The tauntkill can be used to clear a point in certain situations. (The mantreads are E tier as well because you can damage an enemy ahead of time in skirmishes. Not useless, especially if you plan on dying anyways for the greater cause or if you bank on the fact of getting a kill with the Zatoichi.)
actually the tf team had thought about the potential misuse in medieval mode so you wont actually lose your knife, youre just effectively immune to fire and afterburn for free similar to the darwins.
I recommend you rate the Sandman Higher than D tier as the baseball has a use it can stop a charging demo knight into their tracks if you hit them with it
the crit-a-cola doesn't really affect many breakpoints though you are going to die in 2 hits by most things in medieval mode so the extra damage taken has small instances where it will be the cause of your death
the banana recharges 3x faster than the sandvich (10s), not 2x faster (15s), despite it SAYING it has a 50% recharge rate increase. this can easily be observed in game by just counting how long it takes for the bar to fill back up, or, just looking at the wiki for it.
In order to get the 130 damage with the caber, you have to crouch and hit the legs of your enemies. That's how you terrorize snipers on 2fort nowadays.
@@Koyu_Ruh why would you need medic to terrorize snipers? You can pick any class except heavy(but with some skill (and/or) luck you can even with him) and just jump them or get behind
@@Piece-Of-Time I meant for the caber in particular. Because it still one-shots light classes if you hit their legs somehow. The damage calculation is whack!
130 is correct for the caber, it's just that since it's an explosive the further the enemy is from you the less damage it does. So you have to literally be standing in the same spot as the person you're attacking to get full damage
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The Sandman actually has one niche in medieval mode, in that it can instantly stop a demo charging. Definitely at least a C tier imo.
not so niche when 80% of the players are demoknight
@@brickbattlepro9862 but... that's what a niche is
The fan-o-war is actually good too because if you wanna play a support scout, you can do that instead of just TRYING to kill people with the worst melee options in the game.
I think people often overlook the sandman and it makes me sad. That stun effect has secured me many kills, not to mention every successful stun gives a bonus point.
@@TheMilkshakeMarxist sandman stun hasn't been in the game for years dude
the spycicle is coded to recharge instantly in medieval mode. its just stock but with cool ice statues
And also imune to SVF + axetinguisher shenanigans
The spycice usually switches to your sapper when it melts, but in medieval, you cant, so its a straight upgrade. This also applies to MvM, as the sapper has a cooldown
Not sure if is an actual code or just that no sapper
The latter is unlikely, TF2 usually handles you having no usable weapons by just leaving you empty handed and unable to attack (you can see that eg. in randomizer servers when you lose a spycicle and have passives in the other slots)
Nice Green Black Hole dude
I always found it funny how the eviction notice, literal brass knuckles which in real life are designed to make you inflict more pain, deal less damage than heavy's stock fists.
Heavy's fists are not to be trifled with.
They also hurt the wearer for some reason
@@shaynehughes6645 cold brass makes heavy uncomfortable and thus he takes damage.
Heavy is just built different
@@brianregner5209 Its both hilarious & horrifying to think that Heavy's bare hands can inflict as much injury as a shovel, bonesaw, or fireaxe can to a human.
fun fact, if you happen to get knocked in the air by a caber demo, that's consideed blast jumping, so technically you can market garden in rare circumstances
Sounds like you are challenging me
@@Piece-Of-Time if you mean, challenging you to get a market garden crit kill in medieval mode?
Mebbe....
@@fireblast133 yes😈
Gentlemen.
I may not have a brain.
But I do have an idea.
I find it funny how invisibility devices and teleportation (eureka) can exist in Medieval times, but a jar of piss can't.
clearly you haven't heard of the arcane arts
they knew how powerful jarate + bushwacka is but they had to keep every melee weapon, so guess what had to go
Merasmus had too much Halloween ptsd
jarate was simply way too OP
20:40 *"You're able to taunt kill right after, which is amusing the first few times"*
[Checks Strange Holiday Punch]
[80 taunt kills]
Corrections:
-The Third Degree can hit the Medic through a patient if he's using the Amputator, so it's still mildly better than the stock Fire Axe. (Though unlike with medibeams it doesnt connect the hit every target healed by the medic, even if he's the one you've hit)
-Holiday Punch still has the fastest and most consistent taunt kill in the game, and given Hoovy's high health it's very hard to interrupt in time, so it definitely deserves some credit (And even if you fail the taunt kill, being stunlocked is still a death sentence for the enemy in most situations)
-The Ubersaw DOES have the taunt kill going for it, though whether it matters much if at all is debatable. I'd put it in D personally.
-The Spycicle actually has no downsides, as it does not melt in Medieval Mode to avoid you from having no weapon, effectively just giving you free infinite extinguishes and afterburn immunity.
The spysicle still has the unique ice statue, meaning being stealthy is harder
@@segadoeswhatnintendont it also has a weird backstab hitbox
-MFD turns normal hits into minicrits, not minicrits into crits.
the Fan o War specifically has the effect where it crits whenever it would normally minicrit@@ethanblair981
I thought the huntsman taunt kill was the fastest taunt kill in the game
It's criminal that you didnt put the killing gloves of boxing in S tier. I have seen and pulled off one man capping last with them critting down player after player. Having what is essentially area denial dps in medieval mode is insane.
I agree, they are insane
fr heavy is actually the best class for medieval, this video shows the creator doesn't play heavy a lot.
@@michlop452 wrong it's sniper cause you can just insta kill anyone at range with the huntsman.
fr seen it happen way more than not
yep, you can absolutely wipe an entire server with them
Mate, how tf did you forget about the regeneration of the Cozy Camper. That's its main upside!
Nuh uh
I would disagree for a game mode where most hits deal at least half your health
@@MorshuGamingwith the hunstman and a good spot, the only damage you need to worry about is other arrows, so having that regeneration is pretty nice when the rate at which the enemies hit you is so low.
Also, he mentioned the regeneration as a major factor for the concherer and amputator, why not mention it AT ALL for the camper?
I just flip-flop between CC and the Razorback, depending on how many spies there are on the enemy team.
Good thing about the Boston Basher: Bleed is easily counteracted by the 5 quintillion small health packs!
And milk
@@MINICUBANT It isn't milk...
I used Bonk a lot in medieval mode - on offence, I would stand and body block the enemy spawn exit to give my team time to capture, and on defence, I would stand in the gateway and block charges. I'd argue it's at least more useful than the minicrit drink.
The Third Degree, I believe, also hits players connected by the Amputator's taunt, so that's something going for it
You play the objective in medieval mode?
@@adudeonthemoon7050how else do you get the battle of all time in the middle of the castle without capturing the objectives to open the gate
20:46
It’s sort of endearing to see everyone stop fighting and moving to watch u finished your well earned taunt kill lol
Why did you ignore the health regen on the Cozy Camper? It's not like you have many other options for secondary besides Razorback to become immune to Spies.
I'd argue the health regen makes it D or C tier.
It's a small upside that's more universal than the razorback, but it's not effectively game changing.
@@ajragle I'd say both are in similar league, but the health regen definitely puts it over Razorback, which only gives you protection from those Spies. Also what happened to Darwin's Danger Shield giving you more max health?
@@Boomblox5896
If it still offers a health boost of any kind it's automatically a C.
@@ajragle I checked, and sadly, they patched out that health boost from the Danger Shield. F-tier it is then...
Yeah, the cozy camper ending up in F-tier when the only alternative was the razorback, was just weird. Sure, the effect isn't anything to write home about in medieval mode, but if the only alternative is a weapon that does absolutely nothing unless you get backstabbed, I don't see any reason to not at least put it in D-tier.
I think both the razorback and the cozy camper deserve to be in the same tier, as they both can be viable options, and it just depends on the enemy team which one of the two is better for you to equip.
A lot of trickstabby spies on the enemy team? Razorback
Only a single free to play spy on the enemy team? Cozy camper
Ah yes , Solider. My favourite class.
I like enginer better.
@@bruhuk_obama nah bro spi is a better option.
You're all wrong. Hevy is best
I can’t believe this slander. Everyone knows that Scott is the best class
You haven’t heard of Deman?
"guaranteed random crits"
One little tidbit about the Heavy lunchbox items but in particular the Sandvich is that they recharge fully off healthkits, including small ones. As a result a heavy with the Sandvich can effectively pick up a small healthkit, turn it into a medium healthkit and then carry it to a teammate who needs it. This is fairly niche in normal TF2, but I feel like it would actually be very useful in Medieval mode since everyone drops a small healthkit on death, and since respawning healthkits are scarce on DeGroot Keep, picking up dropped healthkits can potentially impact the enemy team's ability to heal
Sun on a stick with the fireball spell on sandcastle is wild, would recommend trying it while the halloween event is going
Ah yes, cp_degrootkeep_rats, one of my favoruite maps
huntsman and crossbow arrows count as bullets, so they actually will do more damage to the pain train soldiers
They changed how the gunslinger works, you can hit someone twice then "store" the guaranteed crit anymore, you need to get all 3 swings within one continuous attack
The market gardener and third degree can get very specific uses out of their upsides in medieval mode, the gardener if he's launched by a caber, and the axe if it hits a medic who's using the amputator taunt or someone getting healed by it
I love using the sun on a stick whilst my friend uses the volcano fragment, it isn't practical but it's super funny once you actually get a kill with it
Sniping people with the crossbow is my favorite thing to do in medieval mode!
Cozy camper f tier? My friend passive health regen is always helpful, at least its better than the danger shield
Yeah it’s a C tier at least
The atomizer is insane if you know what youre doing with it. You can hop to safety in disadvantagous fights as well as climb the castle before the gate even opened to catch snipers off guard from behind. It's easily S tier if you know all the maps parkour spots.
“hop to safety in disadvantageous fights” he says when a demoknight knows how to trimp up there too
Imagine if engine could make a "sentry" that is a ballista, and has to be controlled by the wrangler.
real chill video, felt like watching any other high quality tf2 content, good work
In fair defense of the cozy camper, you do get health regeneration overtime which can come in handy when a random enemy or spy shows up and you don’t wanna walk back to spawn or find a health kit which can technically make it a C tier at most.
The bas jumper is actually how people clip into the trees past the river, so it should be S tier. 😎
Shit youre right my bad
"The volcano fragment is still a good weapon"
That is a phrase I thougt I'd NEVER hear in my entire life
Loved medieval mode when I played it many years back, demoknight went hard and any new weapon I could get my hands on was a treat
25:48 Fun fact huntsman CAN flinch although sadly its not that noticeable. Now if cozy camper removed the downside where sniper cant hold arrow for too long or it goes sideways, now THAT would be amazing buff. Even without it I still think cozy camper is nutty unlock helping huntsman a LOT, Although it is less on this gamemode due to abundance of healthpacks, but so long as you dont die to spies often Id still consider cozy over razor
Im a Degroot main, good job with the weapon ranks. The only weapon I would out right ban from medieval mode would be the skillcritter. The reach and crits and 200+ damage is way too powerful for this mode.
Great video, I really respect the use of SM64 Black Hole Sun in the Soldier section.
If you think about it the eureka effect is actualy s-tier, because you can tp to spaqn and change classes.
Happy 100k 🎉 (been here since 60)
I used the skullcutter and sat at the castle control point and random crit a pyro 5 times in a row
Thanks champs couldnt do it without ya!
There is 1 good use for the Darwins.
Enemy snipers standing atop the castle have easy ways to light their arrows. And a flaming arrow bodyshot would kill you. But not with the Darwins.
Always remember,in medieval times, you could put non-milk in a bottle and make radioactive sodas, but you couldn’t piss in a bottle.
one niche for the bonk atomic punch. you can scale the wall with the boston basher and drink it to survive long enough to get to a health pack
The atomizer lets you scale over the wall on our one and only official medieval mode map. Pretty funny.
One thing to note about the battalions back up. If you use it with the half-zatoichi you hard counter any enemies using it. While active the banner blocks the instant kill effect from enemies leaving you free to commit to being the aggressor in a game that favors the shooter, do the math on that one. Combined with the fact that killing another user instantly charges the banner and you get get near total uptime if the enemy team is stubborn. Oh also blocking random crits as a byproduct makes it even more useful.
Weve all been waiting for it😩
The Boston basher can be used by a blue to scale degroot keep and get inside the castle before both points are captured.
I never played but these videos make me want to try! More content please! 🙏
I believe the third degree can also hit through amputator taunt which means that it can be used
Props to him for not making a mad milk joke
21:42 Ok so I actually had the same problem when doing the contract so I tested it.
You actually need to hold the attack key for it to count, 3 taps won't work even if it hits.
Oh that's how it works. kinda neat
The sandman's max hp penalty breaks the threshold for one-shotting with a fully charged huntsman arrow even on bodyshots
the amount of footage of spies trying and failing their trickstabs is hilarious
Bonk is good for scout knight. If your bleeding and about to die it will save you. I like to pair the 3 rune blade with the bfb and bonk. It makes scout knight a really fun subclass.
I think the fan o war deserves more credit, I use it with the mad milk as a pseudo-support scout and honestly do pretty well
8 seconds into the vid and i already think you deserve a bigger audience
My favorite part of these ratings is that it sounds like the soldiers shoes were forgotten and had to be recoded later
NOT SO LOUDLY
So valve thought that throwing piss at people and then hitting them with a weapon that will crit them with no on-kill rewards was more unbalanced than the guy with 300hp that can random crit you into full crits just for a lower swing speed, while having a free slot for either minicrits, health buff, or full health restore.
Digging the f-zero music
We need more medieval mode maps
Even tho' the gaspasser is absolutely horrendous, it would still be fun to see enabled in medieval mode
In medieval the fragment volcano also has the downside of healthpacks being all over the place, making dot kinda lacking
I think that Sandman deserves better, when normally there is no reason to use it at all, in medieval its a great support weapon, basicly you can terrorize some annoying demoknights/spies by slowing effect that have a power of death sentence when used propely. Also including the fact that almost everyone play fast classes there, so there is finally a good reason to slow enemy down to walking speed of the Heavy.. and size of the only medieval map makes ball simply in use way more often
The issue with the slow effect has always been that walking diagonally completely negates the effect. So it really only affects actively charging demoknights and people who don't know better, which is still a fairly good effect, but certainly not worth the downsides.
The Eureka effect is fine on defense since you respawn right next to the point inside the castle.
Tf2 is the only fps game that can still be enjoyed after removing all the guns
“The huntsman is the best projectile weapon in the game”
The rocket launcher: 💀
cool video , medieval mode haves alot of choises surpisingly
the caber is pretty good imo. you can equip the splendid screen and nuke the last control point with a critical hit and basically kill everyone on the point while on defense
The back scratcher is a gamebreaking evil thing. This weapon alone makes any other melee within it's proximity look like a joke since pyro already has relatively high health, decent movement speed and crits 24/7 with this thing.
The bonk has a fun gimmick by roleplaying as Gandalf using a kill taunt for any unfortunate soul trying to pass the gates
Honestly, I think the Fan O' War should be in D tier because a Fan O' War helps the whole team and paired with the flying guillotine, you can easily kill any light classes and still be able to put out great DPS over some enemies if they survive. Although the 1 increase in bleed damage isn't much, its still paired with 50 damage + the minicrit bonus. Overall, its a great combo, and very underrated. The only problem with the combo is you have to be close, and the only source of actual damage is the flying guillotine.
kunai definitely makes S tier for a good enough spy. With stock you can generally get one or two before needing to really run and heal (if you're alive) kunai allow a good spy to actually join the brawls that happen on the map. Not to mention, how tanky you can be. (It is weak to the damage boosting melees though as they one shot, making getting a trickstab off real hard
for sun on a sticks defence, if you can get a pal pyro to play sharpened volcano fragment you can do some great two player plays
I think the third degree can damage everyone healed by the amputator taunt ... Maybe only if you hit the medic, I forgot. But that can lead to some nice damage. Maybe not enough for B tier, but has it's moments.
Only to equip if you see a medic regularly do it I guess
Conniver's should probably be S for its peak potential given it is *the* spy main knife and now they dont have guns to worry about and all kinds of slopes to stab you on. But it's a hard weapon to truly see the ceiling of if you aren't especially practiced.
I like how Sandcastle is in the game now. Spells make Medieval Mode so much more fun.
My favourite load out (and why I feel like the turner should be in A) for demoknight is
Boots
Tide Turner
Half Zatoichi
Every kill you get an immediate 100% charge, you can choose if you gotta get out, or get another minicrit. The Zatoichi provides you with a good chunk of health, as you are now tied with soldier in health, and when you get to overheal range you are practically unkillable. The turner allows some VERY satisfying kills, and if you are getting chased you can get some hits on a sniper or spy to have an advantage.
Don't back away because of the mini crits, I have gotten 10+ killstreaks on offense last with this
We making it outta medieval mode with this one
actually the 3rd degree can be used in medieval mode if a medic is using the AOE taunt of the amputator you can hit the medic, or the person has healing, and they will both take damage.
the disciplinary action has the melee Marth grab range
correction: the BASE Jumper lets you go fly off the trimping rock and off the map out of bounds. you can stand out there and it's mildly funny
i like the detail that the demoman's chapter name (youtube) is mispelled as demoan and soldier chapter name (invideo) is mispelled as solider reflecting the lore of tf2 that demoman is friend of the enemy's team soldier.
And here i thought my channel was perfect, damn it
i think the comment has unclear, i mean that the spelling errors in the video made a reference to the tf2 lore
or i am just overthinking as usual @@THEBIG-1
Equalizer is at least c tier to though. Equalizer's damage penatly gets offset by the fact you get random crits all the time, meaning as long is you don't get killed instantly you have a chance to do more damage than stock. Also, you have a better chance at using a banner with this weapon on the same principle, while also having a lot of synergy with the Backup and Conch. Also, also, you can start with a damage bonus if you jump off the walls. This works with either of the aformentioned banners because they increase your survivability after the fact. The tauntkill can be used to clear a point in certain situations.
(The mantreads are E tier as well because you can damage an enemy ahead of time in skirmishes. Not useless, especially if you plan on dying anyways for the greater cause or if you bank on the fact of getting a kill with the Zatoichi.)
Ngl Scottsman actually needs the random crit to be good lol
Fan o war with milk is an S tier combo tho, also conch and escape plan is goood too
actually the tf team had thought about the potential misuse in medieval mode so you wont actually lose your knife, youre just effectively immune to fire and afterburn for free similar to the darwins.
I recommend you rate the Sandman Higher than D tier as the baseball has a use it can stop a charging demo knight into their tracks if you hit them with it
I feel like this tier list would be significantly better if it more seriously took teammates into account
What about BASE jumper? Wasnt that the first multi class item?
You can still bushwack crit-a-cola scouts.
the crit-a-cola doesn't really affect many breakpoints though you are going to die in 2 hits by most things in medieval mode so the extra damage taken has small instances where it will be the cause of your death
Doesn't the Third Degree allow you to hit the Medic by proxy heal target if he's using the Amputator taunt?
the banana recharges 3x faster than the sandvich (10s), not 2x faster (15s), despite it SAYING it has a 50% recharge rate increase. this can easily be observed in game by just counting how long it takes for the bar to fill back up, or, just looking at the wiki for it.
Bro forgot that the Cozy Camper gives 4+ HP per second.
No but for real, WHO THOUGH IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT THE SCOTSMAN SCULL CUTTER CRIT?!
Man forgot the op volcano fragment sunonastick combo
T-TRIMPING WITH THE TIDE TURNER?! The mobility’s insane with that shield, how is that the lowest?!
funfact: the third degree's upside works on the amputator taunt
You can use the third degree if you find a medic who is using the healing saw taunt
It is the third agree
thanks@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257
Underated as hell.
for the third note of huntsman you can light the arrows on fire
In order to get the 130 damage with the caber, you have to crouch and hit the legs of your enemies. That's how you terrorize snipers on 2fort nowadays.
There are better ways to do it
@@Piece-Of-Time Potentially - that's the easiest way to do it without a shield charge or pocket medic. . . I suppose? Not sure!
@@Koyu_Ruh why would you need medic to terrorize snipers? You can pick any class except heavy(but with some skill (and/or) luck you can even with him) and just jump them or get behind
@@Piece-Of-Time I meant for the caber in particular. Because it still one-shots light classes if you hit their legs somehow. The damage calculation is whack!
Try the 100 player server you can easily top score just throwing madmilk at the point or handicap the hoard of demos by marking them with the fan
130 is correct for the caber, it's just that since it's an explosive the further the enemy is from you the less damage it does. So you have to literally be standing in the same spot as the person you're attacking to get full damage
Sun on a stick is good if you are coordinating with a pyro with the sharpened volcano fragment