The Short Circuit Is Weird
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
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I thinking we could call it the func jump. My dream update contains a patch to this item that makes the damage tick even when an enemy is not inside of it so this can be done whenever. I'm sure Valve is getting right on that as we speak!!! :D
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0:00 - intro
2:51 - deleting
4:59 - jumping
8:21 - jumping (higher)
12:12 - jumping (even higher)
13:30 - jumping (even higher still)
13:54 - outro - Ігри
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I was just watching ur old short circit video. Man
Damn
nuh uh
common uncle w
why did that infect your intro
Not a Demo main myself, but I've played enough of him to recognize that the "Dynamic Surfaces" Dane talks about are all the same surfaces that stickies don't actually stick to, but instead just slide across!
Now that you mention it I can make the connection between certain final parts of maps - have played plenty of demo, but it didn't really cross my mind before. Guess it's just something I remembered to not try sticking ground there and forgot otherwise
time to investigate cp_steel
Also not a demo main but I was thinking the same thing. However, I was under the impression that the concrete block at 10:45 was sticky-able (I could be wrong, appreciate if someone could check) so that seems to be an exception?
Control points are able to hold stickies im pretty sure
@@Eagan_Gbao The concrete barrier isn't dynamic -- it's the wooden sign that comes out of it.
Can't wait to go back to TF2 and see people going crazy on the last point of badwater
And the swarm of engineers trying all the spots
and failing miserably
you'll join and then hear it... "boom headshot"
@@TF2_Gamer Snipin's a good job, mate
It's challengin' woark, outta doars..
thank yuou uncle danothan
when incorrect summary of elden ring | shit & cum?
Max0r plays tf2??
fascinating.
Dude i cant escape the ultrakill fandom
keep running or join them
Basically, every prop where Jarate and Mad milk "rolls" off is eligible for a Short Circuit jump
That and where Stickies roll off as well.
This is why I love TF2. 17 years and the game hasn't been explored to it's fullest potential!
Edit: My comment got liked by Uncle Dane!! I'm so happy!
All the best games have that crazy jank that even the devs just have to say "idk, it just works!"
have your 100th like of the day.
I think it was already, because bots.
Tf2 players too busy spending 5k hours playing the game, somehow not improve in that time and result in calling any good players cheaters (can include racist comments)
@@damsen978 No it wasn't, just because bots exist doesn't mean the game hasn't been explored yet, in fact I think the content creation in TF2 hasn't been fully explored, even if Valve doesn't give the game updates, look at the videos we got from people like Solarlight, Uncle Dane, Elmaxo, Great Blue, The Chucklenuts.
This could quite possibly create the first ever line of engineer jump maps.
Sentry jump maps are a thing
A new type of jump is fun, but sentry jumps have their own cool stuff to em
@@panofnoodlez1377 In fact, you can get through a ton of jump maps as engi already.
@@JigglesMcRibs Yeah I know the original jump academy you can
@@JigglesMcRibs you can, but it's slow, tedious, often very inconsistent and over all not as fun as just playing the map with the intended class. this tech here is interesting because it's basically like rocket jumping, but with very short range rockets. it would be interesting to come up with ways to make the balls sync up etc
Ah yeah, as a map maker, as soon as you mentioned "weird surfaces" I was like "oh that has to be a func_door or func_brush". Those surfaces also don't play nice with stickybomb which won't stick to them sometimes. In some cases, they stick but don't move with the door and thus remain "floating" in the air, and in other cases, they simply roll off until they hit a normal surface and stick to that. Source is weird about moving geometry.
i wonder if thats an issue of z fighting affecting the physics of the surface that its trying to stick to, you would probably know better, so if you have any idea i would love to know!
I dont think source is weird about moving geometry, I think source is just plain weird
Oh i thought not being able to put stickies in certain places was a balance thing
@@Suspicious-CarlNot to my knowledge, no. Engineer not being able to place buildings in certain spots _is_ a balance decision, but I've never heard anything about Demo's stickies. It's usually weird map features being weird.
Similar map features were responsible for the Righteous Bison and (more importantly) the Wrap Assassin being literally unusable in certain areas, like Badwater Last, for a long long time. Basically, their projectiles would instantly collide with these massive physics brushes and just disappear as soon as they were created. Big problem, definitely not balance related. The bug would even occur on some random staircases on other maps. Thankfully, it has been fixed.
@@irregularassassin6380The likely reason is the sticky rules were decided for the 6 maps tf2 originally launched with that just used moving brushes for doors(and trains), and having the stickies slide up with a door when it opens would cause all sorts of bugs.
There is a dedicated func_nobuild entity mappers can use to specify where engie can't build. (the spawnroom entity also blocks building)
I've tried jumping around on tr_walkway indeed and had no idea why i jumped higher sometimes, this explains it, cheers!
Very clean editing too
Vorobey you are the GOAT man
vorobey jumpscare
hi vorobey
I sense gameplay footage
I suspect the game when checking to see if it had collided with an object it sees several objects the exact same distance away and triggers multiple explosions without asking questions. If that were true you'd be able to shoot at a corner at the perfect angle so that the ball collides into both walls at the exact same time. If it were possible it would be impossible to do this without console commands because being even a unit closer to one wall would trigger it on that surface I imagine.
Yo; you must be the editor! Great video!
This issue is actually replicated in different instances with different results.
Most notably, Soldier with Gunboats.
When an enemy is hit with the rocket you use to rocket jump with, the damage you take is increased to where you don’t resist your own attack. It seems hitting an enemy removes attributes that call for how the attack affects the user.
I imagine Engineer’s short circuit has a hidden attribute to have no self inflicted damage, and so, that attribute is removed when hitting an enemy.
how did you comment 7 hours ago when the video was released 11 minutes ago?
Or into the part of the corner which touches the wall to theoretically reach three surfaces simultaneously.
Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe tf2 calculates wall collision according to a process order, so one wall would trigger the detonation while the second one is only noticed after the explosive is gone.
Joker: "I believe what doesn't kill you, just makes you... stranger."
For anyone wondering look up “Tommy wiseau joker”
Omg it’s a blueshell in the wilde
And it really doesn't kill people because it's main use is defensive!
Get out!
Batman: "I never asked for this!"
9:23 Anthid : *forbidden information* Shh dont tell vale
Dane : Shows it to us
But to be fair what are they gonna do? fix it? yeah right
That’s the only thing they ever fix
"TF2 Update 2/2/2024
- Fixed the Engineer being able to jump with the Short Circuit
- Removed VAC and the Votekick system
- Updated the localization files"
@@torpid5092 NOOOOOO
@@torpid5092 You forgot:
- Removed ability for accounts worth less than 50 USD to play online matches (this will help the bot situation)
- Removed Herobrine
Be expecting a massive influx of short circuit battle engineers on badwater in the coming month.
Or just shortcurcuit jumpmaps, one if the two.
*Or both*
Bro, an engineer short circuit jump map along the same quality and caliber as that one pyro detonator jump map would be sick.
I could imagine them building obstacle courses using pieces of geometry and map layouts copied from other maps with these weird func surfaces, so that if you get good at one course... those skills will naturally transfer over to the real maps that have those geometries.
Okay Dane, Short me Circuit...
My Circuit has been Shorted, cool stuff
how was it
@@seanwilson5753Truly circuit-shorting.
@@seanwilson5753 Happy new year 1997!
she Uncle on my Dane til I Short Circuit
To me this will always be the Blu Team Class Wars Gun of all time
ain't that the truth lmfao, that shit is a requirement for some matches
also shout out to ethan soundsmith for the insane audio mixing/editing and musical choices for this video, it was so nice to listen
Mr. Stereotypes
the Guide to all Menn@@alexkaplan6581
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT ABOUT THE DELETING THING. I've encountered some projectiles that just go through the damn thing but nobody ever believed me when I talked about it.
hypothesis: Animated surfaces count as two surfaces occupying the same space with one invisible and the other visible at any given moment. The game knows things explode when they hit surfaces, and both surfaces being there sends two explosion outputs.
That's a great theory, can't think of any better explanation
With this logic, stacking 2 dynamic surfaces would result in 4 explosions, but instead we see 3
Probably not. That would be an incredibly silly way to code objects that change.
@@strangejune tbf tf2 coding itself is very silly consistently
i thought about the same thing, to bias this hypothesis even more is that if you lag when the game ends by leading the cart you will see the two floors on badwater, i had a realy bad internet and pc and i cant express how many times i saw that bug
Im about to leak sensitive engineer blueprint on the war thunder forums to make the game more realistic.
quote from Scout : "Here's a schematic for you , my a$$"
@@redamber483Alrighty then, erectin' an ass.
@@redamber483erectin' an ass
MannCo would like to know your location
Amazing how TF2's code is so bugged that there are still getting glitchy/buggy mechanics discovered even 17 years later
Basically objects can touch multiple things in the same frame. And I guess (I haven't checked) they've made the ball explode _per touch callback_ on a solid object.
So what happens on thin objects like the control point, it both touches the world, *_and_* the Control Point prop at the same time.
"Dispenser going up!" *Doo doo doooo, doby, dooooo, doby doo, do do do, do dooo! Doo doo dooo, doby, dooooo, doby doo, do do do, do dooo!* "Well, Guess that'll do."
You did the thing
@@ImortalSlayerchannelYes!
The only good comment on this video
immediately recognized shounics editing when diagrams started showing up, goated tf2 creator carrying the scene rn
Having an "this is sponsered by" just smoothly fade in AND seeing the dispenser actually play the video gave me that feeling from watching a new season of something, amazing
love the 90s tracks and sfx
utilising this jank is straight out of melee too lol
0:41- Well I for one absolutely adore Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
Same. Immersive Sims are too niche to be well known, sadly.
It's so over for Deus Ex fans
I just finished play Dues Ex for nostalgia
@@hemingwaybromfield3722deus ex is very well known tho, too bad the Japanese main studio hates their western counterpart doing better then them
i've heard of it a lot@@hemingwaybromfield3722
I'm going to see a bunch of short circuit engineers in my games now aren't I.
Definitely in Badwater and badnblitz last if nowhere else...
Soldiers and Demomen are already horrified.
I mean, you were going to see them anyway.
but they fly now.
to be fair, i used it before it was brokenly funny
Living for the jet set radio future audio in the background I love that game
It’s great that every artist on bomb rush Cyberfunk got they music available to use for creators. My fav music on a lot of videos I never expected them to be
I dont normally leave comments, but wow this video was phenomenally produced. The animations, research, everything is so great. I love shounic’s content and so i can tell he helped with this vid too. instantly one of my favs of yours.
Shounic's stuff is very distinctive, the collaboration is really nice to see.
Except for the ad tho
8:35 yeehaw deliveryboy jumpscare
I was so confused for a second (i didnt understand what was going on there)
Seventeen years after its release and I'm still learning
Glad to see that there's still videos for this incredibly niche, unknown, undergound, indie FPS class-based shooter from 2007. Thanks Ankle Don!
The discovery of short circuit jumping could honestly make it more viable
It was already very viable, especially on payload maps where you get free metal from the cart to spam the hell out of the ball, and invalidate most projectile weapons. If you weren't using it, that's on you.
@@LeafMaltiezeI think he means that it makes it even better, like the detonator.
@@LeafMaltieze I like to think there is a special place in hell for people that do this and people that build phlog through gates during setup time. I understand "the game allows it, so why not use it" logic, but I'd feel dirty doing either. Just my opinion.
Its been discovered ages ago its just a small risky gimmick
this is true! before discovering the short circuit jump, many people considered short circuit jumping to be a non-viable strategy
The nice nascar detail at the tr_floatway caught me off guard 😂😂
I love the jet set radio music and aesthetic this video has. Crazy good editing too!
I absolutely love your decision to use the JSR soundtrack, glad to still see the game's music is still holding up :')
I nearly screamed when I heard the song at 8:23
I've always thought to myself it would be amazing in this kind of video lmao, great work dane
Hey Uncle! I've always loved playing Engie, but just started playing battle engie and i love it! (the same day i graduated as an engineer irl lol, that must mean something). Been following your guides and im finally having fun again playing TF2! Thanks for your videos, they really help! (and they are AWESOME) :)
I wanna see an uncle Dane intro where when his engie drops the toolbox he just crushes his toe and screams.
I love to see you making the content you want to make, Dane. You’re a big part of what got me back into TF2 after years. Keep having fun ❤❤
I think implementing this as an actual feature where an enemy isn’t required would be a really neat and unique buff to the short circuit that also gives Engie a much needed reliable movement tool.
Give Engie a Jumper weapon like the Rocket & Sticky Jumper called the Circuit Jumper.
@@Ch33seGr8er I don’t think it’s needed. I feel like the metal amount takes away the need for damage in the first place.
@@wet0wl At no damage cost,it would mean you could have an engineer with higher health and arguably higher mobility than scout. Being able to fire 3 "rockets" that don't damage you is pretty insane,when the weapon can also just be used normaly for it's intended use.
A jumper version would be way more fair and allow interesting mini sentries placement
@@ahunter7563 We’re talking about the base jump here, not the super high one. Perhaps the super high one could talk the place of the old jump where it requires enemy damage but the base jump would not be too unfair for the metal cost.
@@wet0wl It doesn't need to be high to have a huge impact, the Engi can build a tele after their jump.
Consider how often there are points Attack can't cross unless they are Soldier or Demo. The Engineer brings Medic, Pyro, Heavy, and Sniper all to these points, points which normally require passing the objective.
Engineer's lack of mobility is actually very important given he gives his ENTIRE TEAM instant map crossing mobility. Increase to his vertical reach and horizontal reach without another enemy near would mean you need to, on defense, have people covering every spot the Engi could sneak to which means less people defending the objective.
A simple combo of Short, Eureka/Gunslinger, and Widow can be very oppressive.
If not for wrangler well, existing. Short circut whoud be very good. Same stuff as medic melles or primaries
How to balance the wrangler: make it a primary 👍
@@-RandomStranger-Like would it replace the shotgun or be an attachment to a weak shotgun?
@@wet0wl"Who needs a shotgun with _Sentries_ like these?~"
but seriously Wrangler is completely OP why does the Engie have the delete button with 6 rounds *AND* the haha funny 3x hp Sentry with absurd aiming capabilities
@@The-jy3yqif they just removed the bubble it would be balanced since it tunnel visions the engie a lot, and leaves the sentry disabled for a but when it reboots the tracking
Bro the Wrangler is way more balanced than the Short Circuit. As a Demo or Soldier i'd love to fight a Wrangler instead of that shit.
I think it says a lot about shounic that I recognized his editing style before seeing his name in the description
A great place I’ve found to get a hang of using the smaller jump off of players is on the 2fort. There are very frequently players who are going for melee by each side of the bridge and short circuit jumping gives perfect height to get onto the bridge
I'm not a hammer guru or even a tf2 map maker by any metric, but I am willing to bet that the underlying reason for the funkiness of the "dynamic" surface is because they have multiple "states", with the short circuit colliding with all of these states at once; there might be two overlapping hitboxes (at a minimum) and this causes the ball to detonate. This tracks because I've heard half-life 2 has similar hitbox shenanigans, with objects / environments possessing particularly strange hitboxes. Overall though this was a super interesting video, and I'm also really glad I've never touched hammer as I'd go insane lmao.
Imagine a map where a random majority is dynamic surfaces
Short circuit is permanently attached to all of my engineer loadouts. I find it to be an excellent finisher or to combo with shotgun. Yes you use up all of your metal, yes it must be used as a finisher that is reliable but low damage, but if you secure the kill... you get half of it back, and if you live that is far faster for upgrading than facing the respawn timer.
With explosive classes, the damage it deals close up can be fairly low risk for enough reward it can win the exchange.
And if I'm pushing up to the point I am resorting to the thing, I've probably got my buildings positioned, and will need to risk/roam for metal anyway. Possibly depends on where the nest is relative but still.
Dane you've mentioned balancing it particularly on pushing carts... maybe it should be coded to prevent collecting metal while SC is deployed. It could still generously be applied from on a cart or dispenser yes, still be an effective tool, but that would stagger the sheer possible rate of spamming making the engie switch to his shotgun to recoup the metal.
Quick-switching to and from the Short Circuit could let the Engie bypass your proposed metal restriction. The metal collection prevention detection might need to last for a moment after the Short Circuit is put away, since dispensers and carts instantly give you your first tick of metal as soon as you enter range.
@@irregularassassin6380 then code however needed. I do feel such solution however accomplished fixes reasonable gripes.
Adding downtime/use hassle solves where SC can be too oppressive. Yet doesn't harm typical use not it's side grade nature.
It should be a viable projectile/explosive aoe counter. Just not an easily sustainable one.
Bear in mind again it's my consistent engie secondary, I give up pistol to use it. Pistol is awesome there is already a cost paid. And I am fine to trim where it over performs.
I just would highly prefer them not break combo-switch deathmatch play, for the sake of fixing niche issues. They've already tried very different iterations for SC and I think it's balanced aside a few quibbles.
hell yeah dude, ive been doing this for years now, randomly finding a new dynamic surface over time (because i dont make maps and have no idea which ones were which) was always so much fun
I knew it was going to get crazy as soon as I saw dane short circuit jump
0:41 ill have you know my mother played that game
4:24 Awesome shounic-style editing
Either it's Shounic-style, or it's actually Shounic himself.
It actually is shounic, judging by the description
@@physicsland3264 Let's leave it at that. There's a million "OHMAHGAWD IZZ DATT SHOW-NICK" comments as it is already.
@@physicsland3264 Huh, I looked but I didn't see his name. I literally just skipped over it lmao
Thanks Uncle Dane for showing us just how dynamic and func-y the Short Circuit truly is!
Love these styles of video Dane
What'd be cool is if they removed the cattle prod thing that was basically useless, made the energy ball the primary fire, but then made M2 actually work like a rocket jump at the same cost, but without needing an enemy player to bounce off of.
The engineer now has more rocket jumping mechanisms than soldier, lol
What's funny is, some time back, I tried learning how to short circuit jump from one of your own videos, Dane. And not a lot of people knew about it then.
So, now that this video hit trending, short circuit jumping is going to hit mainstream and I am thrilled for that
Just came back from school and my favrite uncle uploads another perfect video
this is some flare gun jump tier niche movement and i love it
I'm pretty sure the ball gives you greater jumps because Valve coded certain floors and control points incorrectly meaning that projectiles would slip off of them onto a surface that isn't coded like that. And I think that means that the ball will explode multiple times due to it sliding off a surface instead of exploding right then and there
iirc, projectiles slipping off of Dynamic Surfaces™ is an intended feature, particularly with stickies, because otherwise you'd have situations where you could shoot a sticky at a movable door while its closed, then when you open the door the sticky remains floating in the air, the game no longer checking if the sticky is actually touching a surface its allowed to stick to
Most of my hours are in Demoman, so remembering these spots will be a little easier.
Unkie D, fantastic video. Amazingly edited, laugh a minute. Good job
Rather than listening for multiple explosions it might just be easier to look at your remaining health, since every tick of damage takes the same amount of damage. Gunslinger engineers who have 105 health or 90 health remaining have found a double or triple explosion spot respectively.
Most based soundtrack choice around.
I'm not sleeping tonight until I can fly in badwater
I love your use of jet set radio tracks ❤
Everytime Dane comes up with an incredible specific or niche play for a weapon i get so excited watching his gameplay just imagining what if the thing was consistent and reliable to pull it off
I absolutely love the record scratching jetset radio type aesthetic going on in this video! Beautifully edited
It's a stylistic work of art. I'm amazed how polished his videos always end up being, and this one tops it.
@@Keavon for sure
As soon as I saw 4:30 I was like that is shounic, looked in the description and my thoughts were confirmed
Great video, I cant wait to see everyone try this now
YOOOOOOOO THIS WAS LINKED ON HIS WEBSITE ON THE MUSIC REDITS SECTION!!!!! I AM SUCH A GAMER!!! ALSO FIRST!!!
lol redits
7:53 You were practicing your Market Gardening there weren't you??
I also enjoyed the Jet Set Radio soundtrack, it's been a while since I listened to it!!
Dial hop as background music is awesome. LLB music is so good
If valve added like 3 new crates, all with strangifiers for the weapons in the game that still have no strange variant(there's like 35-40 of them btw), I could die happy.
now everyone will do this... uncool
i've been playing as engineer for 400 hourss and never knew you could jump with it
Don't feel bad. I've been playing for as long as Uncle Dane and I still learn new things constantly.
the space bar:
No matter how long you've been playing tf2, you're always learning something new! Just today I realized the guns a lot of the classes carry around can actually be fired with LMB. Crazy how much there is to this game!
She gon' make me jump with my Short Circuit like I'm Mega Man
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Thank for explaining this so well, for context i play bad water way too often and very few times i’ve gotten shreded by something like this not knowing it was bad map design
As a pyro main, there is nothing like reflecting an engie’s short circuit bolt right back in his face and killing his team. It doesn’t make you invincible guys.
It's always awesome to see that despite this game not having an update for 6 years the community still manages to find new ways to make every class a trolldier.
seems like live tf2 and the classic sourcemod both have a secondary for engie that can make him fly up with a boom
Game that nobodys ever heard of? Deus Ex HR is a fantastic game with a cult following
caught me off guard too
pretty sure it was sarcasm
No way uncle dane posted again
dynamic elements also interact weirdly with stickies n thrown projectiles, they wont stick or explode on contact n will usually roll off before behaving normally w the regular surface
I'm glad this came out. I've been fragging with the short circuit on battle engie and was surprised to see more people don't run it.
Hey Dane, I recently started playing on UT after a friend recommended it and I saw your vids. It was amazing for awhile but I got randomly banned by a UT Moderator for "cheating". A large majority of my play time is on medic, my stats are absolute garbage, I have never said much of anything in vc or text chat, and I have no idea what mod had a bad day or why they decided I would be their target. Looked around and it sounds like this happens to others. I'm trying to get it appealed but honestly this is just absurd, I hope you stop your sever mods for doing this to people. I'm not trying to get a reply, my notifications are off, but I just want to be another person bringing attention to this so maybe others wont be banned from playing with their friends for no reason.
tf2
New Dane video, with janky tech AND jet set radio music? It must be my birthday
Love the shounic guide style at the start :)
You will never convince me that this weapon is fun, fair, or balanced
but
good video
ya
Pretty cool video !
Good ol' JSR tracks that fit right in :D
On cashworks last, its because the vault door falls down onto the final point causing a third effect. You also can go into the vault and see the sweet sweet gold.
Shoutout to the man, the myth, the legend, Anthid the Pyro god for discovering this!
Funny story: I was actually playing simulator battles waiting for battle when i started watching this video
I think the exploding twice on surfaces thing happens to both prevent any projectiles entering the place at which that surface is, and was (when it moves and loses any collision) (players go through, projectiles dont)
For control points, i have no idea
This is one of the best tf2 deep dive videos ever made! I could not believe this video was 15 minutes, I heard the ending music and it felt like I'd only been watching for 3
I was playing in 2fort and there was this Chad engi that walked into the enemy base and killed their medic with the short circuit primary fire.
Another day, another free list of cool music to add to my playlist from Uncle Dunkle Dane
10:14 ok Dane you got me, great ad placement
this is how i escape pyros or aggressive scouts, people dont usually look up so by the time ive come back down they have wandered off or died by my team, sentry or shotgun to the head
I imagine the game just sees the animated surfaces, and the in game check for surfaces isn't complex enough to know which one is the "real" surface so it just blows it up on both
1st uncle dane vid ive watched in many years and man it was a good return
makes me wanna [play tf2 again despite its sorry state