What If Rhaenyra Married Harwin Strong? (House Of The Dragon)
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2024
- Harwin Strong was a song unsung. The lover of princess Rhaenyra, father to her first three sons, heir to Harrenhall and a man hailed as the strongest night in the realm until his untimely death at the hands of his brother. It's clear he and the princess cared for one another but we never get see what truly could have been had lived. So today we'll explore not only the possibility of his survival but the possibilities that could have been had he not only loved the princess but married her.
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I have been saying for a YEAR that Rhaenyra should have married Harwin. It’s so unfortunate that at Aegon’s nameday hunt Lord Lyonel was the only lord present who didn’t ask for Rhaenyra to marry his son.
If Rhaenyra was actually dutiful she could have gotten round to House Strong on her tour but whump whump.
I doubt viserys would take Lyonel seriously he assumes Lyonel would say that and jumps to mock him as he's sick of people pushing their children for her hand
@@DeclanWhite1453What advice would he take then? I would like to think that it's pretty obvious that the great houses and Nobles of westeros would want to be a part of the royal family, and he married Alicent. Does he really expect everyone to meander about until the situation solves itself?
Agreed, but he didn't because he was not the self-serving type and that's why Viserys had so much respect for him.
@@nonjabulomangoro1871Harwin was part of the city watch and Lyonel was master of laws. They were both in King's Landing so Rhaenyra finishing her tour probably wouldn't have changed anything on that account. Not saying she wasn't wrong in just fucking off back home though 😅
In the Book, Harwin & Larys have two younger unnamed sisters, who are made Rhaenyra's handmaidens pretty much as soon as the Strongs turn up at court. I imagine they're about her age.
Bear in mind that even GRRM himself has said that if anything is canon, it's the show. The book was written as a in-universe 'history book,' of sorts. As the book itself tells the reader multiple times, it was written by multiple unreliable sources, some of whom have reason to skew the facts to make themselves, or their side (typically the greens) look better. Mushroom was team black because he loved Rhaenyra, but the book tells us that he seems to love to skew facts toward the scandalous, so he is ALSO not to always be believed. The show, on the other hand, is us watching the events as they 'actually' happened, in real time, so to speak.
I think we may have seen a few flashes of harwins sisters here and there and I imagine they’re younger than rhaenyra in the show
The dance would still happen. In the original drafts of the princess and the queen, she married harwin and they still usurped Rhaenyra.
She married harwin dad not harwin but yea still usurped
The dance needed to happen, because GRRM needed a reason why the dragons died and aren't existing anymore in Asoiaf. I wouldn't take a scrapped draft too seriously. Because he will have his reasons, why he thought it wasn't a good idea or not good enough for the start of the war. At the point where he wrote Fire and Blood, he had made the official list of Targaryen monarchs, that the dragons died in a civil war and that Rhaenyra was k* //ed by her brother.
He now had to fill in the gaps somehow. If he thought that marrying Ser Harwin Strong was a good decision for making the war happen, he would have kept that in the book.
If for plot purposes the dance wasn't needed, I think her marrying Harwin would have solved a lot of problems.
But the "original draft" is not what was published or acted out, so it really makes no difference.
@@carastone3473 no there was 2 others drafts and all still ended up with her throne being stolen…also she didn’t marry harwin she married his dad
and in the original draft aegon/baelon was aemma’s son and still was the eldest male and rightful heir, rhaenyra just thought the throne was her right.
I still think in whatever timeline exists Rhaenyra names her first born daughter Visenya.
I think a lot of things would play out the same more or less because I think it's a compelling core part of the story that the parentage of Rhaenyra's children was just an excuse for most people involved. It's particularly likely that Larys killing his family had nothing to do with Rhaenyra - if anything he might be motivated to kill them earlier in the timeline if he saw his brother "getting everything."
What if Viserys had wed Rhaenyra to Daemon like The Rogue Prince asked in episode four?
For this to occur I think Daemon would not have abandoned her in the pleasure den. Lady Rhea Royce seems like she would tell the truth about it being unconsummated. A petition for annulment could be done.
Do you not remember why Viserys had Rhaenyra named heir in the first place?
@@nonjabulomangoro1871 Yes. All over an Otto Hightower rumor. Also, Viserys did say that Daemon could have anything when he returned from the Stepstones.
@@Outermindmedia
It’s not just Otto’s influence. Viserys loved his brother but he knew to never let him get close to power. Most of the realm would have opposed his rule since he would have been Maegor 2.0. Even when he’s allied with rhaenyra he’s self interested, he’s no submissive male wife. He only got with her to sabotage her reputation as a part of a plan to get closer to the throne by tearing down claimants and enemies.
And just because he said he would allow daemon to have anything upon returning from the stepstones doesn’t mean that includes taking his daughter in marriage. Viserys was never down with that and the only way Rhaenyra and daemon even managed to tie the knot was because they secretly absconded and did it anyways behind Vizzy’s back while he was rotting to death and on powerful painkillers half the time which basically put him in a half aware state where he could have never consented anyways.
@@Outermindmedia fine, you think it's a rumor, but
1. Viserys believes it.
2. Viserys doesn't want Daemon to be king and
3. Why would Viserys think he would treat Rhaenyra much better than Rhea Rhoyce once they're married?
@@nonjabulomangoro1871 We saw in the show that he didn't have sex with her. Daemon(in separate timeline) could have made the request before their night out. Technically, Viserys went back on his word in the show. Also, Daemon had been gone for about four years.
What if Viserys marred Rhaenyra to Daemon & he married Laena
Nice that you gave a better introduction then in the show
My problem is sir harwen was just a background extra until ep6 and then he's killed off. One would think they would give a better introduction to the father of rheanyras children
Only way the dance would not have happened was if viserys had not remarried. No male heir. That’s why rhaneys didn’t get to be queen. She had two boy cousins.
Driftmark would not have passed to Vaemond. It would have passed Corys' grandchildren by his daughter Laena should Laenor had predeceased him without having any heirs of his own.
I think it would’ve gone to Baela not Vaemond. Best Vaemond could get is a match bt Baela and one of his sons
I love that you do these.
As always, a very comprehensive video essay. Love you work, keep it up.
I actually love these what if videos so much
absolutely nothing would have change. in the canon it is clearly describe why this conflict started. This begin even before the velaryon boys were born. Alicent from the moment she gave birth to Aegon when she was 19 not 15 like in the show. she begin to build Aegon's path to the throne. she believed her son should be king because he was the first male born son of Viserys I. she wasnt friend with rhaenrya. never tried to be her friend or mother in fact she had her own court of ladies and lords that follow her with whom she will plot and this lords later became Aegon's green councilmen. she whore shame Rhaenrya from an early age. alicent already had poison her children, had gather a group of powerful lords to stan behind aegon and had already decided that she would usupoerd the throne if she must before the velaryon boys were born. before rhaenrya even married Leanor in 113AC as all her children but Daeron who was born on the following year along side jacaerys in 114 AC.
the issue was made by the greens. Otto who push viserys to take a second wife after Aemma was dead and he had already declare Rhaenrya his heir. to Alicent who since the moment her son was born she decided Rhaenrya needed to go because she was an obticle to her boy. she poison her children for 23 years. even when viserys kick otto out of KL she maintain her teaching. so much that is so obvious Aegon and Aemond have no respect or love for their older sister. as Aemond calls her a old whore. that is pure alicent and her whore shaming campaign.
The video is clearly about the show not about the book so it doesn't matter what anyone did differently in the books. Alicent and Rhaenyra are friends in the show and I think it makes the outcome so much more tragic because of it. George is clearly on board with the changes the show made
GRRM said himself that the book is an unreliable history book and that the show is what actually happened.
The show is not ‘what actually happened’ 😂 George has said since season 1 of Game Of Thrones that only the books are canon not any of the shows (obviously F&B being the exception to being 100% reliable due to it being history book)
What if Rhaenyra had been married to Hightower? (either Otto's nephew or son)
Or Otto himself
Thats a really good question
Daemon would have an aneurysm.
I’ve never been this early, 😂 but I’m ready for this video !!
What if Rhaenyra married Daemon instead Laenor
Harwin is a much better catch than Daemon.
If rhaenyra and harwin married, the same story would've happened. Otto and Alicent were against rhaenyra before she even had kids. Otto wanted aegon named as heir as soon as aegon was passed hi infancy and alicent was against rhaenyra the minute ser Criston told her that he clapped rhaenyra's butt cheeks 😂. So no matter what the dance would've happened
I think Rhaenyra’s first two kids names might be the same but the third definitely wouldn’t be named Joffrey
What if Aegon married Laena?
From the thumbnail he looks like a live version of Uncle Bruno from Encanto.
You should do a what if Jace married Helaena
See, in this what if I can be Team Black.
The war still happen Because the whole point of the war is put a member of house Hightower in the throne, while young for house tower could influence them, and guide them to become Lord who no longer have values of Valeria
She could have if she hadn't chosen the political way. Even viserys gave her the permission
What if viserys danys brother lol was good
How would vaemon be the heir if coryls dies 🤔. I thought the 2nd sons only becomes heir if oldest doesn't have any heirs of their own. In this case coryls has laenor so if coryls dies then laenor would rule driftmark.
Do you think in this scenario there would still be a marriage deal between two sons of Rhaenyra and two daughters of Lena Velaryon?
Maybe, maybe not. The deal wouldn’t be the same. Once again, her betrothal of Jace and Luke to Baela and Rhaena in canon was a cry for help to Rhaenys because she knew the greens would most likely supplant Luke for Vaemond. By getting her support she could feel a bit more secure but in this timeline the petition never happens and assuming she isn’t going through I crisis that could put her family in danger she may or may not seek a marriage between families. But let’s say she does for some reason. Like I mentioned earlier the deal would not be the same. Baela and Baelon(Jace in this au) would be king and Queen if things go smoothly, but Rhaena and Aerion(Luke in this au) will not be lord and lady of driftmark. They would be lord and lady of Harrenhall. The appeal of the marriage pact in canon would be that both her granddaughters would sit at the head of the two most powerful houses in Westeros and House Strong is not one of them. While they are a respected house, even with the addition of dragons through Rhaenyra and her sons they are not as powerful as the Velaryons. They don’t have their wealth, or their ships. Not to mention Harrenhall is thought be cursed so Rhaenys may not want to tempt fate by wedding one of her granddaughters to Luke especially after the way her kids died.
In this timeline, if harwindied, that would be much more. Consequences and there was and the original timeline
please repeat this sentence in a way that one can actually understand what you wanted to say
The church of the seven as well as house, Hightower, and the rest of the Lords of the seven kingdom do not appreciate how Targaryen association with magic in Valeria customs, and the first share common ancestor so they have similar custom they just different tribes of the same people Valeria is different. The royal family of different custom only is appreciated the robber of Baratheon sits on the throne. Because they realize, even though he has similar customs, he does make a ruler, and then the peace the house Targaryen gave the kingdom.
What if Rhaenyra had been married to criston cole 🥰🥰🥰 please please I want to know.
that wouldn't be possible, as he swore an oath to never marry. That could only happen if she had renounced her claim and probably her family as a whole and went with him to Essos.
Those children being bastard would not have been a problem if she was a male Tarian, because he would be a capable warrior and would’ve been able to destroy any Lord that challenged their decision because even though those children were bastard, since she was a member of the royal family it shouldn’t have matter while in the song of fire those bastards of house Lannister do not have Royal blood that’s why that was an issue what house tower uses to try to justify the treason it’s not a real problem. The real problem is the Royal family still practice their foreign customs and the laws of the kingdom cannot do nothing about it since the royal family has dragons if the church ,maester , & high Tower succeeded with their Deas, Carrie, and royal bloodline. They could easily fix that as the show shows without the dragons they were forced to assimilate their customs, more often than not.
Ok so first, thats not how that works. Rhaenyra is married, the children are born out of wedlock so they will remain bastards a royal decree would not give them what they desire, honor nor do their plain features help any over Alicent's children.
Viserys named Rhaenyra heir and nobody cares😂😂😂 there is nothing Visery can do Rhaenyra has damged her reputation beyond repair. Instead of gaslighting Laenor she should have understood the pain she would put her children through and herself. But she doesn't she's irresponsible and reckless and is simply not fit.
Lyonel is honorable I know its easy just to be like "do whay you wanna do bro" but you have to understand and respect the aspects of the story. Lyonel would rather see his son go to the wall than live with the reality of what his son has done which is take all of his father's hardwork and throw it in the trash over some 😺😂
The marriage with Laenor would be broken and Corlys would look for reassurance. Obviously being burned twice he will go Essos as he meant to and no doubt finish carving out his own kingdom. Or more than likely he will turn to Alicent's side. Of course Daemon won't give up his daughters but there are two children Corlys can use, Addam and Alyn who would assuredly have children soonee rather than later.
Then Laenor would not be the father
duhhh
I mean he isnt the father in the original timeline (if this comment was supposed to be sarcasm ignore my comment)
And if this happens the dance of dragons probably never happens and the story sucks
The dance happens regardless of who she marries, book or show. originally it was written that Rhaenyra marries a Strong and has legitimate children but dance happens anyway and in the show Otto himself already says it doesn’t matter if she was Jaehaerys born again since she’s a woman. End of the day aside from the fact George needed the dance to happen for plot reasons it was always gonna happen because she’s a woman