HANNIBAL: Epic Punic Wars - Rulebook Deepdive
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Back again and today i want to take an in depth look at the rulebook for the Epic Punic Wars for the latest offering in @warlordgames Epic range. I have already done a in depth look at the main hail caesar rules (link below) so rather than go through those again i want to focus on the Army Lists, Army Building, Army Special Rules and changes to the main rules.
There is also a full combat example to have a look at the units in this book and how their rules work.
Intro 0:00
Overview 3:08
Roman Army List & Special Rules 10:48
Carthaginian & Allies Army List & Special Rules 13:29
Example Armies & Punic Campiagn 33:20
Combat Example 34:55
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Brilliant run through Martin, essential viewing for anyone looking to get into this.
Thanks mate, it was fun to make this one, the response has been great 👍
Excellent. Thank you so much for doing this. I've played warlords of erehwon(for ancient stuff) and bolt action mainly the past few years, never tried black powder or hail caesar. This is a really great primer. Very much appreciated! Good job.
No problem, glad you found it helpful 😁
Fantastic overview of the new rule book Martin. I’m looking forward to your upcoming battle reports, as I’m a big fan of your channel, the plastic crack podcast, boots on the table and on point hq. We do need Ken back 😊
I really appreciate that, thank you. Hoping Ken will be back in the next couple of weeks, he's got some catching up to do haha. The Epic Punic game will be live in a couple of days, hope you like it 👍
Great overview. I was really eager to get a look at these rules. I have some thoughts now that I've gotten a basic look, so I apologize if this runs a little long.
1. You didn't touch on it, but going back and looking at the Roman army diagram, there's a note about the Triarii that I really like. So, for the normal Hail Caesar Republican Roman list, you have to take units in a 2:2:1 ratio, 2 Hastati , 2 Principes, 1 Triarii. That's to represent the fact that the maniples of Triarii were half the size of a maniple of Hastati or Principes. Here it says, that the Triarii form a battle line formation with the bases directly behind each other instead of side to side, so half frontage, but still maintaining their stats. Visually, that will look much better on the table. Gameplay, not gonna lie, it kind of terrifies me as someone who will probably be playing most of the time as the Carthaginians, that there are now twice as many units of Triarii on the table, lol. Still, I enjoy a challenge!
2. I like the manipular support and swap rules. I think that will definitely help encourage the Roman player to maintain their army formation as long as possible into the fight to take advantage.
3. I really like some of the special rules for the armies and commanders, and will probably start using some of them in my normal Hail Caesar games.
4. I'm glad to see that Rome's Italian allies are still organized in the manipular system in these rules. I was wondering if they would have to use the Italian infantry from the allied list. It just means they'll get a more colorful paint scheme then the Roman maniples, just like I do for the 28mm figures. With the amount of Italian infantry in the Hannibal set, there's enough to build a small Samnite army to fight the Samnite Wars.
5. Finally, this does not release soon enough! I'm so hyped!
Some excellent comments. I'm also really excited to get a game in. I think the manipula swap is a great way of adding the flavour in. Hopefully it strikes that balance between history and game.
I'll be interested to see more observations as we get closer to a game 👍
Very helpful indeed and thank you so much for doing this video. I think WLG should have made the book available before the miniatures are released so that “newbies” can bone up on what’s what and what to buy/field. Your little men look beautifully painted. Please keep the videos coming and while AAR are always fun, sprinkling them with a little rule eduction or reasons for doing something (a move, a grouping of units) is always helpful. Thanks!!
Glad it was helpful 👍 I agree that from a personal point of view if much rather have the books first or at least samples of the army lists however I do understand the commercial reasons behind not releasing it first, but then those things hardly ever line up. I'll certainly keep the videos coming 😁 thanks for watching
Your tutorials and explanations are the best hope you make more of them!
Thanks very much, I do plan on more videos on this 👍
Awesome video Brother! Thank you for taking the time to do this
You're welcome dude, glad you enjoyed it 🤘😁
Great evaluation of the book, and really loved the example of play at the end - was very interested in seeing how the manipular rules played out. Thanks!
Thanks for commenting, glad you enjoyed it 😁
Great video giving us all a insight in the new rules
Thanks mate 👍
This was great thank you, really excited for mine to arrive. Combat example was super useful. I've watched your WOTR Hail Caesar vids but I was mostly there to look at the minis so I will check out the crusader battles and await your epic battle reports!
Glad it was helpful, it was fun to sit and go through, thanks for taking the time to comment 👍
Excellent video as always mate and the play through was awesome 🎉🎉
Thanks very much, really enjoyed your painting video, got the next one lined up when I do some painting later 👍
@@7thson726 amazing mate, music to my ears 🤩
Thanks for the great video.Cant wait to get my hands on the box.
thanks very much glad you found it helpful. It would be fine using other army lists from the expansions, just keep the basing system from the Epic book, so standard unit 3 bases, small 2 and large 4 👍
Thanks very much, I appreciate the combat example
You're welcome mate 👍
Great video very useful, particularly the combat example. Ta!
The combat was fun to run through, though my dice rolling is still terrible no matter what 😅
Great rulebook overview !
Thanks dude, pleased you enjoyed it 😁
Thanks for that I had been curious. Have been gaming with Republican Romans under the old army lists and find them very overpowered. I think making the the small unit 2/3 of a standard width is a great idea. Two small Roman units with pila will make mince meat out of almost any unit quite quickly. This way one must support the other 7 dice rather than combining for 10. The Romans still stand an excellent chance of winning in a long fight because of the manipular exchange rule but they at least should not be able to regularly rout Phalanxes in one turn.
I totally agree, this will force people to use the maniples to switch before they become disordered. Also, a unit caught without support is done for 😁
Like the video you have have done a great job explaining the book and the rules brilliant 👍👍👍🤠🤠
Thanks very much, greatly appreciated 😁
It looks an interesting rule set. I have never played Hail Caesar. Looks like it might be worth a go.
Thanks for watching. HC is one of my favourite rulesets, it's also very easy to modify if there is something you want to add, like making a unit a bit tougher for example. If you're interested in the game then maybe check out some of the Wars of the Roses or First Crusade battle reports on the channel, they give a good idea of how it plays.
I also made a "learning" battle report here a couple of months ago set in the Gallic Wars ua-cam.com/video/SBMm_7pm_ZM/v-deo.htmlsi=cYzYow7Soun4aQ6T
@@7thson726 thank you for the suggestions. Ive given them a bookmark, a bit of evening viewing for later 🙂
Very good Martin thanks. Warlord have got a little thing wrong, there were only half as many Triarii as there Hastati or Pricipe!
No problem. Yeah I know, I was thinking about that. They actually point it out in the history chapter. I can only assume they have done it because by their system the unit would have to count as tiny if it was just one base and that would essentially make them next to useless.
This could be solved if you used 4 bases for a maniple which would be 1:1 then 2 bases for the Triarii but then you would have to massively increase the Carthaginians unit sizes
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Great flip through! The examples with the minis really helps someone like me. My comprehension of a new ruleset is always terrible. 😂
Listened/watched this while batch painting some of the romans, hopefully filming a report soon. Looking forward to yours!
- Boone
Glad you found it helpful, after a couple of games it's definitely a system that "clicks", if I can help with anything just ask, there are like all games there are still some things that can be awkward 😁 look forward to seeing the reports 👍
@@7thson726I appreciate it!
Also what mats & scatter/shrubs do you use? Love your boards in your reports! Looks great in the combat example too
@@TabletopCollective so the mat is from Geek Villain and the scatter is modelling lichen, I buy it in big bags, rip it up and scatter it with other mixed flock 👍
Top review, mate. Nine dice on the clash for warbands is very scary! Although if im rolling them, it'll be laughable at best!🙄
Haha tell me about it 😅 cheers buddy, glad you enjoyed it
Excellent!
Thanks 👍
Nice one chap!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Great overview Martin, very clear. Armies looking great, looking forward to the battles....did you ever consider teaching/lecturing? Think you are a natural. Many Thanks.👍
Thanks Paul, really pleased you enjoyed it. I do a few talks in my job, I think I could have a sideline in helping people go to sleep 😅
Nice review, balanced and player friendly. Do you think the next one will be epic 100 years war or war of the roses ??
Thanks mate, I'm not sure, I think I would prefer 100 yr war. I thought maybe AWI would be a possibility or possibly Hastings 🤔
Hi, lovely lovely videos on this! Can i ask if youd recommend the big battle set box? It looks huge!
Hi, thanks for watching, I honestly think that the big box is good value for the sheer amount of stuff you get, you have more than enough for both armies, if you can split it with a mate, even more so
Great run through, I really appreciated the combat demonstration at the end. I noticed in the rules they have Roman Triarii/Princip/Hastati, and Latin T/P/H. They also have Italian Allied Infantry. Are the Latin T/P/H the same as Italian Allied Infantry, or different? Or is the Latin v. Roman designation merely two different set of stats for the same T/P/H models?
Thanks for watching. I think they are just different stats for the same models. But you cannot mix them into divisions with standard Roman H/P/T 👍
The minis look great, but I'll stick with Legio Wargame's Civitates Bellantes for gaming the period. It's a quite superior set for handling mass battles with the manipular legion.
That's the great thing, so many rulesets there is something for everyone 👍
@@7thson726 Yeah, and the minis for this game are simply astounding, it'll give me a way to play my favourite rules at a scale more suited for large battles. Victrix and Warlord's 28/32mm Ancients are great and a joy to paint but playing truly big actions in 32mm needs a lot of space. I think that's my main gripe with Priestly's family of rules for Warlord - it's not that the rules are bad, it's that they're kind of written for him and his mates who have mansions with sprawling tabletops to plonk down their extensive miniature collections onto. I can get a 6x4 foot table set up in my flat, but that's about it. The shift in scale really helps to play with more units, reserves, space for maneuver etc.
It's funny that your dice rolling is usually so good, that when you roll exactly average (4 4+ on 8 dice) you think it's really bad rolling.
To be honest I was surprised I didn't manage to roll a double 1 on the first break test 😅
I would like to see a video aboput your quick paint methods
I'll see what I can do 👍
Isn't in the manipular formation the units are arranged in a checkerboard formation, so you wouldn't have a unit right behind or to the side but a unit on each diagonal? Even the manipular rule on support states support only on the diagonals. This is how units can swap out so easily, I could be wrong but that's my understand as a Napoleonic's player :). Looking forward to getting into epic HC.
No they benefit from both regular and Manipular supports but can only do the swap with those diagonally behind in manipular support - hope that makes sense, it did in my head haha 😅😁 I can't wait to get a game in
Would you be willing to make a sort of buyers guide on this game? I'm very interested in the time period and have some experience play HC 1st ed (using cardboard rather then actual models), but I find the pricing and minimum number of models unclear.
I can certainly look at doing something like that. I have the next few videos planned but i could do something along those lines. Sort of look at the minimum number of boxes you need, cost etc vs how best to get that "epic" feel and what that cost would be
In the old army list book they attempted to encourage players to emulate the three Roman lines by not having Hastatii units lost count against the more than 50% divisional break point. Is this continued in these lists?
I'll double check but don't think so 👍
Hi, thx vor the Video. Im so ecxtided for Punic war's Epic.
Could you say If gor the punic war Battles, how many Starter Boxes do i need?
For Waterloo Epic it was something like 3.
Thx a lot
Hi there, thanks for watching. When you say starter boxes, do you mean the divisional ones, the smallest? You would need at least 3 of those. The battle set which is the massive box with thousands in would be pretty much all you would ever need 👍
@@7thson726 thx! I bought the roman starter box "Scipio Africanus’ Roman Legions".
Just one is so small and cheap ;p
With Epic Waterloo you need 2-3 big boxes plus some special small ones.
@@alexanderkellar3841 ah the Roman starter box is more than enough and will give you a decent size Roman army 😁👍
Does the rule book talk about small vs standard unit battles? In the regular rules, a small unit is half the size of a standard unit, and so 2 small units can attack 1 standard sized unit. In the Epic version, a small unit is 2 bases and so a charge by 2 small units would not fit well (4 bases vs 3 bases).
This change makes more sense in my opinion. A small unit has about 2/3 of the fighting power of a standard so 2/3 of the width is a good idea.
It's exactly the same as the standard rules but they replace the images with bases. I have always found this open to interpretation as the rules say the 2nd unit fights if it's centre front is in contact otherwise it supports the original unit. We've always found that 2 small units then can't mob a standard but can both attack a large unit. But then I've always worked my units out in bases, even at 28mm
Hope that helps 😁👍
Absolutely 👍
Can you share where you got that gaming mat from?
Sure it's from Geek Villain geekvillain.co.uk/
supporting units never get the +1 for charging or for wining last round.
Which cutting mat is that?
This one HEADLEY TOOLS 18x24 Inch Thickened Self Healing Cutting Mat, A2 Rotary Cutting Sewing Mat for Crafts, Double Sided 5-Ply Table Cutting Board for Fabric Quilting Leather Arts Hobby Project, Grey/Black amzn.eu/d/0fCDbSY7
Are these rules functional without the core rulebook?
Yes completely, all the core rules are here, re tooled for this release. The only thing missing from the main book are the unit special rules that do not pertain to any units outside of the Punic Wars.
Ripping run-through. Big fan of Hail Caesar but admit to being stone-cold on the 'epic' idea. Do you think that the Manipular exchange gaining the charge bonus is to much? I have difficulty seeing how cohortes could charge through each other when engaged to the front. I think I'd be inclined to lose the charge bonus.
Thanks buddy 😁👍 that has crossed my mind, we'll play it as written to start with but we may nuke it if it's to overpowering as they will also get the Pila bonus if they are Hastarti so +1 to hit on the charge and the enemy will be -1 to the morale save 😮
Do supporting units not add to combat resolution like in black powder
No they add dice to the attacks in Hail Caesar. Combat resolution in HC is solely based on the number of casualties 👍
@@7thson726 thank you, I've never played hail Cesar only read the rules once, and honestly black powder, pike and shotte, and hail Cesar are close enough to each other to confuse a man completely
@@halfblindbear haha totally agree, I constantly find myself mixing them up 😅