somewhere out there some weirdo is rubbing his hands together gleefully at the idea of getting an extra +16 damage from overcharger at the low low cost of sacrificing his tier 1 mod
@@LazyMaybe I am currently five tabs deep into coil gun research because I read a bad take on reddit about it having bad single target damage and am also feeling really called out by this 🤣
@@LazyMaybe But if you combine the 16 extra damage with faster charge up, doesn't that make it worth it on Mole OC when you want to shoot through a lot of walls?
I guess this knowledge will be useful if there's a balance change where upgrade tiers shuffle. Right now I can't really see the reason why to take T1.C instead of other tier 1 options.
Taking T1C is my go to with Mole OC and it's extra charge time. The value of being able to get a high damage shot on a high value target during a wave is very underrated. All time spent on charging your gun isn't time you're shooting other threats.
I will admit, I am not sure what role the Coilgun is supposed to have compared to the other secondaries of the gunner. About all I see is that it deals a bit of AOE in it line, which is only decent with the electical line, and then it deals decent damage even to armor shots.
Previous video on the coil gun has it laid out pretty well. It’s not a gun meant for extremes. It’s a Jack of all trades, and is best built with other primaries like it. Especially the Hurricane.
It is good at annoying your team as it deals ff damage in a big radius around it even hitting dwarfs behind you. The weapon just sucks in its current state
@@DavyDavePapi can you explain what is good about it? I just don't see how this weapon would be viable in haz 5. It's slow to charge and it doesn't do good dps or single target
@@DavyDavePapi Good as in on par with the other 2 gunner weapons? I am sure it is doing fine on haz 3, but it absolutely feels terrible on haz 5 imo. It is slow and for what you get it is just not worth it. I don't personally know any high level players that like how it performs. If you want an area of attack secondary as gunner then you are better off using the bulldog with magic bullets.
Does the gun glowing yellow mean the maximum Overcharger bonus has been reached, or is there still bonus damage you can get from the first frame of the yellow glow to the last frame before overheat?
There is still some additional bounus, and if you make the coilgun charge faster it would actually receive more benefit as it would spend more time overcharging
No, but it's pretty simple. Every 0.75 seconds a missile is in the air, it adds 1 area damage. IIRC it has a cap of +10 damage, but you'll basically never actually reach that cap. It's pretty much only good on the plasma burster missiles OC.
@@LazyMaybe i was rocking it with a dread killer homebrew DPS build, in that case it is still worth it right? considering that stun and napalm barely helps out on a damage dumping scenario on elemination
@@LazyMaybe Its also good for Mines.Cuz its increase ROCKET AoE damage =>Mine OC increase ROCKET AoE damage x 2.75 for MINE. its means for MINE its be : Every 0.75 seconds a missile is in the air, it adds 2.75 area damage to MINE. cuz IIRC it has a cap of +10 damage to ROCKET => cap of 27.5 damage to MINE. and Jet mod give negative effect. cuz its increase SPEED of rocket, and for mines you do not need it with nitroglicerin round to have best posible damage. zip line rules btw. with this nitroglicerin round mod 2 mines can kill slasher. And its pretty dang good with 2.1-3m AoE.
Agreed. As a neurotoxin gunner, I need a secondary that quickly and instantly removes single targets which cannot be reliably killed with a Fear + Neurotoxin application. I had hoped that the Coilgun was going to be like an Elephant Rounds Bulldog on steroids, but instead it is more of a slow lane clearer with a clumsy charge time.
@@NimbleJack3 very much agreed, i was hoping for it to be like the Engineer's hyperpropellant OC grenade launcher, but with a bit less damage, and way more ammo. a way to say, hey that bug there, its dead. but the bulldog fits that role way better in my own testing, so no realy reason to pick this gun. I will try it again once i get the three shot OC for the coilgun, but I don;t see any major role for this gun to have beyond not needing to hit weakspots to do good damamge. not sure what role this gun is supposed to have.
@@killsode4760 that's the thing, the bulldog is better in almost everyway for single target from what I have found. The coilgun has a bit better on accuracy, as most high damage bulldog builds trade out accuracy, but the bulldog can also be a sniper with no charging. In my experience anyway
Any chance we could get a breakdown on necro-thermal catalyst? The mod that makes burning enemies explode when you kill them? It's so hard to see in action, I'd love to know exactly how it works, and what damage it does at what range.
@@bravoxray paired with particle accelerator it's pretty good, only need to burn the first enemy and the rest behind go kaboom, one problem is the friendly fire... Like you take over half your own health if you hit 3 grunts close to you.
So it's still more worth it to take T1A for max single target damage, because the extra boost in you get from T1C is only +24, while T1A increases damage by a flat +40, though if you need a fast shot from the gun you can take T1C to shorten charge time.
Struggeling to figure out the workings and viability of T5a, wanted to ask if you tested it and could answer a couple questions: Can one trigger it more then once per shot (If one kills multiple burning enemies with it) Can one combine it with Re-Atomizer to Ignite and Kill, therefore explode in one shot? Likely gimmicky and just worse then Fire Trail, but heck. It's a little hard to make out on clumped up enemies.
You can trigger it more than once with one shot, but only on the direct damage. I don't think it works with re-atomizer, at least it didn't last time I tried. Also it only does 80 damage with falloff, it's just not very good.
For triple tech would it be fine to use the overcharger shot for everything and not be wasting extra ammo shooting grunts if you only shoot once and not use the burst?
but isn't taking t1a (damage) still better than taking t1c (charge speed) because the +40 dmg from t1a combined with overcharger gives you more total damage per shot than taking t1c with overcharger? (170+40=210 vs. 130+64=194)
The T1C is basically: faster charge rate + potential damage vs. Slower charge rate + 16 more damage. I would say that the 16 dmg is not enough to out value T1C as faster charge rate can also get you out of sticky situations or sniping a leech right before it's too late
@@aarepelaa1142 You misunderstand. It is not your life you would be saving in that scenario, but rather of your fellow dwarf being leeched across the cave behind a wall.
Only use for this gun is trolling with particle accelerator and making enemies turn into steeves, actually probably very good if paired with pheromone bolts.
With hellfire it has good crowd clear and with the mole it puts out decent single target damage through walls. Its not the meta gun but it does have uses
@@AtomicAlchemist yeah I've played around with it and i think mole is better than elephant rounds for the revolver. Also i looked at a whatever guide with the particle accelerator OC it can chain necro thermal catalyst making for a very good crowd clear, pretty sure either burning hell for minigun or the hurricane with napalm rounds and plasma rockets is good as well to burn the first enemies in line, and it will explode any other grunts in it's path.
Honestly I didn’t like overcharger in practical gameplay when your getting swarmed or under attack getting the timing right sucks and usually end up overheating which related to more weapon downtime when I could be killing. But each to their own on how best to use there guns
@@CoolSs It's probably worth just training yourself to pick up the colour change in your peripheral vision. Or failing that it only takes a couple hours to get the timing down on muscle memory
the T1A is +40 damage. Taking T1C with overcharger lets you, at best, get 24 extra damage out of overcharger totalling 64 max vs 80. It does make T1C viable if you want to have quicker emergency shots while still having more damage though.
With the balance changes, is this mod even useful anymore? Considering it's now directly contesting the only charge speed upgrade, overcharge is stuck at it's base values. Should one just default to the faster charge rate for the majority of builds?
It's a lot better than it was at the time of this video. It can get significantly more bonus damage than before, and also gains that bonus damage faster, even though you can't combine it with faster charge speed. It is true that it's still bad, though. Just not really a competitive mod unless either it or the whole gun around it drastically changes.
This is such a weird interaction and correct me if i'm wrong but this does not seem useful at all? Looks like the bare minimum you get is 40. With T1C you gain 24 on top of that. But like... The T1A is +40 damage. If you're looking to make it a damage machine you probably wouldn't mind the extra charge speed for non-overcharged shots.
Yeah, it's not very good unless you really want to be able to charge and fire a regular shot quickly, but then also are committed to taking overcharger on the same build.
I love how this is totally pointless because the main shot is so bad relative to the trail you'd be crazy to take anything other than undercharge shots anyway. Good to know that this is even worse with TTC than I thought, though!
yeah from what it seems overcharger isnt very worth it, it makes me so sad that this gun cant really be used for extreme single target damage. Sure the BRT exists but like, it sounds bad and its a burst fire gun which makes me want to vomit when using it
Previous coilgun video: ua-cam.com/video/tWUmn-UE-mg/v-deo.html
Other drg test/info videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_.html
all of that was worth it to hear "when the gun glows yellow, its about to overheat."
somewhere out there some weirdo is rubbing his hands together gleefully at the idea of getting an extra +16 damage from overcharger at the low low cost of sacrificing his tier 1 mod
Using a mod that shows the overheat bar around the crosshair makes it a lot easier, definitely would recommend using that.
@@LazyMaybe Stat nerds be like
@@LazyMaybe I am currently five tabs deep into coil gun research because I read a bad take on reddit about it having bad single target damage and am also feeling really called out by this 🤣
@@LazyMaybe But if you combine the 16 extra damage with faster charge up, doesn't that make it worth it on Mole OC when you want to shoot through a lot of walls?
I like your funny maths Magic Man
So does it not consume extra ammo on overcharge? That's really cool actually.
Yup!
incomprehensible, have a nice day
Always appreciated to have the true hidden stats. Thank you!
I guess this knowledge will be useful if there's a balance change where upgrade tiers shuffle. Right now I can't really see the reason why to take T1.C instead of other tier 1 options.
Taking T1C is my go to with Mole OC and it's extra charge time.
The value of being able to get a high damage shot on a high value target during a wave is very underrated.
All time spent on charging your gun isn't time you're shooting other threats.
I love your usage of Megaman Zero stuff, can't not love that series
Great video as always 👌👌, your DRG content is really good
Same, the WARNING intro was pretty nice
I love hearing you talking DRG science! Great useful facts about a good weapon.
TY! this time you put some numbers in video!!! Ty for your science!!!!👍
Thanks dad
I will admit, I am not sure what role the Coilgun is supposed to have compared to the other secondaries of the gunner. About all I
see is that it deals a bit of AOE in it line, which is only decent with the electical line, and then it deals decent damage even to armor shots.
Previous video on the coil gun has it laid out pretty well. It’s not a gun meant for extremes. It’s a Jack of all trades, and is best built with other primaries like it. Especially the Hurricane.
It is good at annoying your team as it deals ff damage in a big radius around it even hitting dwarfs behind you. The weapon just sucks in its current state
@@TheBarser it's actually good. Just learn to use it
@@DavyDavePapi can you explain what is good about it? I just don't see how this weapon would be viable in haz 5. It's slow to charge and it doesn't do good dps or single target
@@DavyDavePapi Good as in on par with the other 2 gunner weapons?
I am sure it is doing fine on haz 3, but it absolutely feels terrible on haz 5 imo. It is slow and for what you get it is just not worth it.
I don't personally know any high level players that like how it performs.
If you want an area of attack secondary as gunner then you are better off using the bulldog with magic bullets.
Does the gun glowing yellow mean the maximum Overcharger bonus has been reached, or is there still bonus damage you can get from the first frame of the yellow glow to the last frame before overheat?
There is still some additional bounus, and if you make the coilgun charge faster it would actually receive more benefit as it would spend more time overcharging
if you havent already, can you do a video comparing the various scout secondaries?
do you have any vidoes explaining hurricanes nitroglicerin rounds on t5?
No, but it's pretty simple.
Every 0.75 seconds a missile is in the air, it adds 1 area damage. IIRC it has a cap of +10 damage, but you'll basically never actually reach that cap.
It's pretty much only good on the plasma burster missiles OC.
@@LazyMaybe i was rocking it with a dread killer homebrew DPS build, in that case it is still worth it right? considering that stun and napalm barely helps out on a damage dumping scenario on elemination
@@LazyMaybe Its also good for Mines.Cuz its increase ROCKET AoE damage =>Mine OC increase ROCKET AoE damage x 2.75 for MINE. its means for MINE its be : Every 0.75 seconds a missile is in the air, it adds 2.75 area damage to MINE. cuz IIRC it has a cap of +10 damage to ROCKET => cap of 27.5 damage to MINE. and Jet mod give negative effect. cuz its increase SPEED of rocket, and for mines you do not need it with nitroglicerin round to have best posible damage. zip line rules btw. with this nitroglicerin round mod 2 mines can kill slasher. And its pretty dang good with 2.1-3m AoE.
Why would you run hurricane on elimination?
Don't they have damage resistance against explosion?
Mini gun is best, but big Bertha is also good
@@Chronically_ChiII Jet Fuel Homebrew OC does a lot of normal damage
Despite all this awesome testing, I still think the BRT and Bulldog are better, lol.
Agreed. As a neurotoxin gunner, I need a secondary that quickly and instantly removes single targets which cannot be reliably killed with a Fear + Neurotoxin application. I had hoped that the Coilgun was going to be like an Elephant Rounds Bulldog on steroids, but instead it is more of a slow lane clearer with a clumsy charge time.
@@NimbleJack3 very much agreed, i was hoping for it to be like the Engineer's hyperpropellant OC grenade launcher, but with a bit less damage, and way more ammo. a way to say, hey that bug there, its dead. but the bulldog fits that role way better in my own testing, so no realy reason to pick this gun. I will try it again once i get the three shot OC for the coilgun, but I don;t see any major role for this gun to have beyond not needing to hit weakspots to do good damamge. not sure what role this gun is supposed to have.
the charge up mechanics, and single shot per reload, it really sets the gun up to be a single target machine, not a line aoe...
@@killsode4760 that's the thing, the bulldog is better in almost everyway for single target from what I have found. The coilgun has a bit better on accuracy, as most high damage bulldog builds trade out accuracy, but the bulldog can also be a sniper with no charging.
In my experience anyway
Better maybe, but Coil is fun 😉
here’s a question: Does the overcharger damage bonus apply do triple tech residue shots?
Any chance we could get a breakdown on necro-thermal catalyst? The mod that makes burning enemies explode when you kill them? It's so hard to see in action, I'd love to know exactly how it works, and what damage it does at what range.
That mod does so little that I made a bug report that it wasn't working 😂 It was, it's just so pathetic
@@bravoxray paired with particle accelerator it's pretty good, only need to burn the first enemy and the rest behind go kaboom, one problem is the friendly fire... Like you take over half your own health if you hit 3 grunts close to you.
holy fuck the Megaman Zero opening
So it's still more worth it to take T1A for max single target damage, because the extra boost in you get from T1C is only +24, while T1A increases damage by a flat +40, though if you need a fast shot from the gun you can take T1C to shorten charge time.
Struggeling to figure out the workings and viability of T5a, wanted to ask if you tested it and could answer a couple questions:
Can one trigger it more then once per shot (If one kills multiple burning enemies with it)
Can one combine it with Re-Atomizer to Ignite and Kill, therefore explode in one shot?
Likely gimmicky and just worse then Fire Trail, but heck. It's a little hard to make out on clumped up enemies.
You can trigger it more than once with one shot, but only on the direct damage.
I don't think it works with re-atomizer, at least it didn't last time I tried. Also it only does 80 damage with falloff, it's just not very good.
@@LazyMaybe Meh, thx for the quick answer
@@LazyMaybe works with re-atomizer now, they fixed it probably or you didn't notice.
For triple tech would it be fine to use the overcharger shot for everything and not be wasting extra ammo shooting grunts if you only shoot once and not use the burst?
Triple tech is pretty good if you build it around AOE.
What mod / setting allows for showing the crosshair indicator on the Overcharge?
'Weapon Heat Crosshair'.
Is it true what MOLE gets bonus damage for each pierced ENEMY too?
Yes, actually. And not only that, but from each pierced enemy corpse, too.
e: ua-cam.com/video/T2cCD7vude4/v-deo.html
but isn't taking t1a (damage) still better than taking t1c (charge speed) because the +40 dmg from t1a combined with overcharger gives you more total damage per shot than taking t1c with overcharger? (170+40=210 vs. 130+64=194)
The T1C is basically: faster charge rate + potential damage vs. Slower charge rate + 16 more damage.
I would say that the 16 dmg is not enough to out value T1C as faster charge rate can also get you out of sticky situations or sniping a leech right before it's too late
@@Chronically_ChiII how do you get in a situation where you snipe a leech with the coil gun and not die narrowly? Just power attack, it's faster.
@@aarepelaa1142 You misunderstand. It is not your life you would be saving in that scenario, but rather of your fellow dwarf being leeched across the cave behind a wall.
Does over or under charging affect the 20 blast wave dmg from t4?
Only use for this gun is trolling with particle accelerator and making enemies turn into steeves, actually probably very good if paired with pheromone bolts.
With hellfire it has good crowd clear and with the mole it puts out decent single target damage through walls. Its not the meta gun but it does have uses
@@AtomicAlchemist yeah I've played around with it and i think mole is better than elephant rounds for the revolver. Also i looked at a whatever guide with the particle accelerator OC it can chain necro thermal catalyst making for a very good crowd clear, pretty sure either burning hell for minigun or the hurricane with napalm rounds and plasma rockets is good as well to burn the first enemies in line, and it will explode any other grunts in it's path.
@@aarepelaa1142 Particle accelerator? You mean re-atomizer?
Can we get a link for the mod that shows the charge level on your crosshair?
It's just overheat crosshair or something.
So, fast charge doesn't affect over heat speed, letting you overcharge more by finishing normal charge faster?
Yup
Does the shockwave damage scale along the regular shot with controled magnetic flow and/or Tiple tech chambers ?
It doesn't scale down or up at all.
@@LazyMaybe thanks for the answer
I guess triple chamber is even stronger than I thought
Is that circle at crossair custom or in-game?
Honestly I didn’t like overcharger in practical gameplay when your getting swarmed or under attack getting the timing right sucks and usually end up overheating which related to more weapon downtime when I could be killing. But each to their own on how best to use there guns
Use a mod to show the overheat. Makes it a lot easier to see it.
@@aarepelaa1142 thx but I’m on ps5 no mods.
@@dartheastman1599I'm not telling you to get a PC, that would be rude.
But consider buying a PC. :P
what is the mod you using . that show the Coilgun charge on the crosshair
It's 'weapon heat crosshair'. I don't personally like using it when I'm actually playing, but it's nice for demonstrating this sort of thing.
@@LazyMaybe thanks . It actually will help me stop looking at the overheating animation and just focus on firing before the circle fill up .
@@CoolSs It's probably worth just training yourself to pick up the colour change in your peripheral vision. Or failing that it only takes a couple hours to get the timing down on muscle memory
Can you tell me what is mod name that stop the enemy?
Its a mod
doesnt this mean the damage upgrade in teir 1 is basically never worth taking then?
the T1A is +40 damage. Taking T1C with overcharger lets you, at best, get 24 extra damage out of overcharger totalling 64 max vs 80. It does make T1C viable if you want to have quicker emergency shots while still having more damage though.
It's viable, to clear out shredders with electric trail!
I don't think it's worth using the tier 1 charge speed mod as you lose 40 damage while only gaining 16-24 bonus damage
With the balance changes, is this mod even useful anymore? Considering it's now directly contesting the only charge speed upgrade, overcharge is stuck at it's base values. Should one just default to the faster charge rate for the majority of builds?
It's a lot better than it was at the time of this video. It can get significantly more bonus damage than before, and also gains that bonus damage faster, even though you can't combine it with faster charge speed.
It is true that it's still bad, though. Just not really a competitive mod unless either it or the whole gun around it drastically changes.
Thanks for the update, I love the gun with mole, wanting to see if I can milk it for additional damage with overcharge. R&S!
This is such a weird interaction and correct me if i'm wrong but this does not seem useful at all? Looks like the bare minimum you get is 40. With T1C you gain 24 on top of that. But like... The T1A is +40 damage. If you're looking to make it a damage machine you probably wouldn't mind the extra charge speed for non-overcharged shots.
Yeah, it's not very good unless you really want to be able to charge and fire a regular shot quickly, but then also are committed to taking overcharger on the same build.
I love how this is totally pointless because the main shot is so bad relative to the trail you'd be crazy to take anything other than undercharge shots anyway. Good to know that this is even worse with TTC than I thought, though!
What?
yeah from what it seems overcharger isnt very worth it, it makes me so sad that this gun cant really be used for extreme single target damage. Sure the BRT exists but like, it sounds bad and its a burst fire gun which makes me want to vomit when using it
Been havin' some fun with volatile bullets bulldog and burning hell lol. But yea, was looking forward to a big ol' slap of damage.
So it's still useless. Noted.
So we die before killing one single bug 😭😂😂😂😂
Kinda useless gun:
slow
damage is meh
cant shoot right away
This gun is a shit. I better use old elefant killer revolver
wow this was really boring lol