That’s the last Mac Pro , by time next year Apple won’t update the hardware. Same reason that happen to trash can. I own the 2010 Mac Pro, Apple never made upgrade video cards for that line. Still today Apple never made video cards with Apple ROM so we could get boot screen
9:16 it’s not new Apple put a internal FireWire port in sawtooth g4. 11:55 who in their right mind, put a tower on their desk? I keep my Mac Pro on the floor so I don’t hear fans going. You also losing desk space that way.
@@macgamer1973 stick MacOS on a vm man, then you don't have to worry about that. all you do is upgrade your hardware as u please and run either Server, Linux, or Win10 as host OS. But if your a gamer, then just ditch MacOS altogether ;)
No joke, I booted up a 5 year old intel i5-4700k? & it only had 16gb of Ram... Win 7 + Chrome open, no way for me to even run a 4k video! Not Chromes fault, just shocked me is all... AMD just helped kill the iMac 14-20k builds! 5-6k 3950x is epic! Threadripper even more! Thanks.
Someone somewhere will buy the base model as a Facebook machine,and someone somewhere else will buy the fully maxed out configuration as a Facebook machine.
Search for this guy on youtube - Neil Parfitt. He is a professional music designer/editor of some kind. go see his videos. He showed what kind of people this Mac pro machine is made for. He shows his use cases, his workflows. he also shows how much of his physical hardware was all replaced with just one Mac pro. He also showed how that insane CPU/RAM combo is utilized by his softwares. Nice videos to watch. Average photoediting or video editing does not require a hardware costing this much.
@Ed O'Neill Neil has recorded at Abbey Road Studios. Don't know how much more truly professional, industrial, or commercial of an environment you want to get than that, but I'll give you a hint that it doesn't have to do with video (did you even watch his?)
Well how do you work that one out when this machine has only been on the market for 5 minutes and the only people that can afford one can tend be the most money orientated people.
@Ed O'Neill how is that a News Flash? If this Anyone has money, they can pay for Mac Pro, they can pay for a crane shot, they can pay for an ARRI Alexa IMAX, what difference does that make? Have you recorded or mixed at Abby Road Studios?
“I feel like Lightroom is the first thing to start slowing down” surprising absolutely no one who has ever used that wretched beautiful frustrating software of glory
I'm over here holding out with Mojave so I can use the last Lightroom Classic 6 (the standalone, 32-bit, non-CC-screw-you-Adobe version of Lightroom for macOS)
I've been working in the media industry for 15+ years now. Was Mac all the way till 2017. Switched to a PC and well, never looked back. I still use a Mac though. It's mostly for FCP. Like editing interviews and such. Everything else, C4D, AE, PS, Illustrator, Premier and everything resource intensive, I do on my PC. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x PC with a 2080Ti card and nvme in raid and a 5TB SSD & 20TB HDD. The price for the entire rig is dirt cheap compared to a Mac Pro. I guess what I must consider is that it doesn't seem viable in terms of price to performance ratio. But, for pure bragging rights about how much money you make, well, I guess this is the way to go if you have $50k just littered around the house or somethin like pocket change.
I am with you on this. Just building a new Threadripper PC that will blow this new Mac away when I am doing 3d rendering or anything else. I do use a MacBook Pro at work for design but that is not by choice.
Very satisfied with my iMac Pro for professional video editing on a daily basis, keeping it for the next 3/4 years, it’s a powerful and reliable workstation and has been paying for itself. Then I’ll eventually upgrade to the Mac Pro. Nice video, greetings.
8000$ for the photography setup? You can get that even cheaper in the apple world. Low end specs make 0 sense on the iMac pro. Not even to speak of a similar spec windows system. You are paying a huge premium for the ability to spec it out. At min 6:10 you also test video by testing prores 4:4:4? That is the easiest codec for the system, because it has the least compression. Something like H.265 is where you need processing power. (Especially if you go for a variant that doesn't have hardware decoding support)
12:23, another cool thing about the fans is that the housing around the blades actually spins with them, minimizing turbulence. We have so many fan makers out of them and yet I believe this has been novel to the Pro so far.
as a product designer, there are many things on the mac pro that are engineering/industrial design marvels and TBH thats what your paying for. The fit finish on this machine is something to marvel at and miss it an go by spec alone, its made to last
Great vid. No prosumer really "needs" a Mac Pro. Only movie studios, VFX firms, etc. stand to actually gain anything from it. The value proposition even for UA-cam work is just not there. A high-end macbook or iMac is still perfectly viable for most, if not all, creative tasks than involve the Mac OS.
Tyler, I don't notice this all the time in UA-cam vids, but the composition of the frame in your fan noise test is incredible. You arranged all the necessary elements super well in the frame and it looked like something you'd see out of Apple Marketing for a Pro Workflow example. As a whole, this video is one of the best, possibly the best, reviews I've seen yet on the new Mac Pro. Great stuff dude.
The Mac Pro wasn't designed with only photographers and filmmakers in mind. It's also designed for Data Scientists, App developers and programmers, machine learning engineers among others. This is a quite common misconception about the Mac Pro.
At this point being a youtuber or "influencer" and using this kind of equipment is a little overrated and just unnecessary. I mean there are people out there making awesome content on cheapo computers and then people posting on facebook with insanely priced machines. In the the case of this video it makes complete sense. Edit: awesome video btw
On the contrary, I believe content creators today are probably highest on the pecking order of those who churn out media in huge volumes and would greatly benefit them in their world where turnover times and deadlines can be super un-forgiving. A reliable machine is worth the money.
Quick FPGA explainer: Think of it as another programmable processor in addition to the CPU. Whereas a computer’s CPU is designed to work for a huge variety of tasks and the internal logic is essentially hardwired, an FPGA can be programmed to do a specific task much more efficiently, because it doesn’t need to waste hardware on anything extraneous to that task. It can also be programmed to do a crapload or parallel tasks (which makes coding for it a bit of a mind fuck). There’s no reason the Afterburner can’t be programmed to handle other specific use-cases down the road. I could see them being used more in the future, because they’re great for churning through lots of data quite quickly, as long as you’re just doing the same things to it over and over again.
One thing I dont understand is why they don’t seem to prompt any specs about it. I’m sure there must be some common speed or memory metrics to give us a point of reference
Tyler Stalman I couldn’t really say for sure. A guess would be that the specs might not sound very impressive haha. High-end FPGAs have clock speeds on the order of MHz, not GHz. And generally on the order of Mb in terms of memory.
This video was brilliant. No surprise being a photographer it was lit to perfection. I loved the angle from below when you were talking. I wouldn’t usually think to do that but the perspective shift made me feel like a kid; you’re the boss, educating me. 🤣👌🏻 Subscribed. Great content.
iMac Pro 2017 64GB of Ram, 18 Cores and Vega 64X 16GB of HBM2 and one Port 10 Gigabit... For 9,000$ It's much more recomended. But if You don't need MacOS Epyc 32 cores + 96GB of Ram + 1 TB Evo 970 + TITÁN RTX 24GB 10,500$ but this PC has much more Raw Power, at least the double of the iMac Pro un CPU.
@@GeckoClever because Epyc has more PCI Express and if You need can install 6 RTX TITÁN directly to the MotherBoard, and with Threadripper You can't do that. For heavy profesional Work and very fast rendering. And the cost is of 20,000$, Even more cheaper than the Mac Pro with Dual Vega II Dúo and 28 core that cost more of 25,000$. So, Epyc for Upgradiability
If someone else has not already posted, but it is commonly known that both LR & PR tap-out performance somewhere between 6 & 8-cores. On the other hand, Capture One takes advantage of as many cores as your system provides.
If you want to use the RAM then you load 4000 tracks in Cubase all streaming samples from an orchestral library template, you'll eat up that 192GB very quickly, it won't reach 1.5TB but that's at least 256GB worth of stuff
Hey Tyler Stalman, What I would like to see Blender 3d Software Performance executed on the Mac Pro. What will be the results of that test? And can the Pro Res card can be configured to boost EVEE and Cycles Rendering in Blender. All you UA-cam testers say that it should run great for 3-D but you never show that. Apple gave you a test machine but you don’t test it on the 3-D. That you say it would run great on this is something that love to see. To determine, If it is justifiable to spend $10,000 to $50.000 to accelerate a Mac Pro using Blender, Unreal engine, Da Vinci resolve Final Cut Pro and Motion to make a virtual studio inside expensive ass Mac Pro.
"How can I do more" Do everything over three XDR monitors. Great video i'm looking to invest in the base Mac Pro for my retouching business and scale up when needed. Getting more and more into Motion Graphics these days.
I kept on getting distracted by how well you lit and shot each scene. It literally looks amazing. Could you maybe elaborate on your set up? Colors pop like crazy. It looks sooo professional. Well done Sir!
For professionals working with macs for years, this is the greatest machine yet. They don’t care about pc’s being cheaper. When u can’t afford this machine (assuming you buy the ram elsewhere and create a nice ssd-pci , raid) , you need to ask yourself how professional you are. This thing will give u at least 6 years of being able to do almost anything
Professionals working with Macs basically just means hipsters doing shitty art. Go to any major visual effects studio though and ask them about their Mac Pro's just so you can be laughed out the of the room.
Profesh photog here, and I totally agree with you, the Mac Pro is overkill when living in LR Classic. Wondering what your thoughts are, however, on the display. Worth it? Or wait until that unicorn of a mid-range display comes out of Cupertino.
Thanks Tyler, like you I can admire from afar but can't afford one. I am also a freak about fan noise but found that most workstation class computers such as the HP Z series have this tamed. My one complaint about the Mac Pro, well besides the price, is the strange fixation Apple has with AMD Radeon graphic cards or should I say hatred of Nvidia. Frankly, if you do a lot of rendering Nvidia is often the go to card but the bad blood between the two companies means no support in the Mac Pro for Nvidia. That's a deal breaker for me.
Nvidia's architecture is not as powerful in certain video, photography editing as Ati's. Do some research on it some folks are testing already out there.Depends what kind of editing you are doing. Not talking about gc power but their architecture.
I am considering the MBP 16” instead of the MP. My main work uses Photoshop, Cinema 4D and After Effects. While the MP in the long run is a good deal, I think the best value for my workflow is the MBP. The tests I have seem for the above software put the MBP very close to the MP in performance.
Hey! Thanks for the video. I'm editing a ton of 4.5k red raw files on FCPX with my base iMacPro... Im running an external screen as well. My 2 questions for the Mac Pro: 1) Can you run 2x XDR displays + 1x 4k display with the Vega pro ll 32gb? Or is the Duo the only option? 2) Would you go higher on the CPU cores or bump up to the GPU from Vega pro ll 32gb to the due? If price vs performance was the only option?
Actually the more things you have open, the more ram you are using. Lightroom not responding is because there arent cores for that program cause premiere is running a video, ps opens photos etc. If you open 100 photos in photoshop it will use less ram than 1000. There is no need to compare it while it opens them, since they are not still in cache memory to even count them in the usage.
Great video. My only real problem with this machine is the cost of entry. In Australia the absolute base model starts at $AU10,000 and it's a really crappy spec for the price. As a software dev, this just isn't the machine for me anyway but that's my main objection. A top end iMac is ~50% cheaper with a spec that SMOKES the base Mac Pro.
1.5tb of ram? supermicro do up to 3tb on a few of their single cpu workstations (more on multi-cpu), not that new either. Much better, particularly when you take the after-sales support into account. Internal usb ports have been around in PCs for many years. The limitation of the gen 3 pci-e means you won't get above around 2500MB/s on nvme m.2 drives, let alone if you use more than 1 pci card and it covers everything up. Also what's with the lack of pci slots? I can run a 15000MB/s pci-e card as a hard drive if I have enough space. Still have the 8bit+FRC issue of MacOS when it sends signals to monitors. You still have the update issue with MacOS (once it installs an update for software, you can never get rid of it), this caused a few studios to ditch FCP and Apple all together as there was a 6 month wait for Apple to fix the quicktime audio switching issue that corrupted FCP projects.
I have an 8gb RX 580 card in a 2010 12core MacPro (plus a bunch of solid state storage) and it flies through 4K and 6k raw footage when editing - it’s a little slower than I’d like to render out but seeing as 75% of my work is still HD I think my system will still last me a while. I may look at a this new MacPro in a couple of years time and I’m really glad Apple has made a new tower based professional Mac - I’d much rather stick with a nice quiet Mac than build a cheaper PC and would view a £10k+ system as a long term purchase so guess I’d better start saving now for a 16core model now.
LTT are returning theres MKBHD has more money than he has brains sorry to say he was just flexing lets be honest not because he needs it just to show he can afford it.
@@hexotech5202 LTT returned because they are PC guys! They could build something better for cheap, for MKBHD it's a good investment I'd say! He's a millionaire! Not for us!
@@Jayakumar So LTT are poor than MKBHD is that what am getting and btw MKBHD had a 8K Dell monitor at a point. but your also right any one can build a better Spec System for a lot cheaper
I want know one thing..... Why apple why not custom pc...while they perform even better ... Is it only for warranty service and hassle free experience and mac oc.. Or anything beyond that....? Please reply
HP Z8 G4: 2x 28cores and 3TB of ram. Even the old z840, that you can't even buy anymore takes 2tb of ram and maxes out at 2x 18 cores. My 8! year-old z620 has 192gb of ram, just like your r2d2. Yet the main point is: None of that even matters anymore in 2020. If you have serious workloads, you have a small render farm. If you don't have serious workloads, you can wait 5 minutes longer. In case you haven't already transitioned to GPU render. And for that, you should actually have a few Nvidia drivers going... which the mac doesn't.
I found this rather interesting as a freelance designer who has used Macs since the Performa days. Do I want one of these Mac Pro's ??? I would love one, do I need one ??? the answer is no. My current machine runs all the software I use with dual 27" screens. InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Capture One, Barcode Pro and Fontexplorer Pro. Those are the main apps and the Mac Pro would be way overkill for anything that I use. But you have to admit, it is one beautiful piece of kit and you will not get a Windows box anywhere near as good.
Never have so many people made videos about a computer that they have no use for or can't afford. Who actually uses this thing ? And it is so funny that people say it has more power than they need when the base 8 core processor is about the speed of an AMD 3600X and the 16 core about a 3950X. These are extremely well selling CPUs in the non Mac world.
TechGuy There's people relying on MacOS - it's that simple. Though I would second the claim that abput 99% of YiuTubers making videos about this machine don't need it. The remaining 1% is people like Neil Parfitt, who actually make use of it. But then again, they have their reasons for why they won't use Ryzen/Hackintosh.
Something I haven't seen around on the web is testing Adobe After Effects Ram Preview on this machine. The more RAM you have the longer your composition sequence stays in the green without having to tackle into the Global Performance Cache.
Honest question: why do you get to evaluate this computer, if you don't know what taxes what, or what the various components are for? What's the point of randomly launching stuff with no real plan or goal? Want to use RAM? One image in Photoshop is enough. Just make a large image and add layers, and your Mac will need to read data into memory. Got 1.5TB of RAM? Or even "just" 192GB? Yes, you will need a large image, but that's not a problem using some high res stills and making a panorama or whatever. But more importantly: what the hell is the point of maxing out the RAM? Just goes on to show how misunderstood this non performance increasing component is.
Hey Tyler! Love your videos. Especially love the treatments you use to spice up your screen recordings. Could you provide a little insight into how you go about those?
Your review style reminds me of Dieter Bohn from The Verge, which i think is the best and only worth to watch from them. Nice work, i really loved the video
Customers 2010: Cheesegrater is great! Good job Apple, keep at it! Phil Schiller 2013: Can't innovate anymore, my ass! Here you go, black trashcan with lots of cables and bad thermal design Customers: Cheesegrater was great, just give us a cheesegrater pls Apple: … Customers: pls? Apple 2019: ok, we hear you. we really listen to you! Cheesegrater it is. Customers: Starting at $6000, is this a joke? was $2500 before Apple 2020: ok ok maybe we put in ARM so you can run iPad apps on it, too? This wat you want?
Great video. Honestly one of the best I've seen on this topic. Enjoyed how you explained everything. As all your other videos, beautifully lit and shot. Great stuff.
The FPGA can only be reprogrammed a relatively small number of times, so it's unlikely that Apple would let any 3rd party reprogram it in the field. The whole architecture of such an FPGA is devoted to a very specific series of tasks and such tasks are quite different between, say, a ProRes workflow, and a Red workflow, which involves decompressing JPEG2000 (wavelet compression). What's more likely is that specialized formats will have their own accelerator cards.
Professional movie makers, music composers yes, UA-cam content creators and shills no. I’m a professional wedding photographer using huge lightroom catalogs and photoshop on a daily basis, I have only just updated my work computer to a 2019 iMac from a 2015 iMac. They new computer just allows me to workflow a bit faster. I think I got my money’s worth from my 2015 Mac and still made about £600 back from it.
If Apple makes it possible for the Afterburner card to do plugin processing in Logic, I'd tip my hat to them. Universal Audio needs some competition on the audio DSP market.
Not a Mac guy at all (even though my job has issued me a Macbook Pro for Adobe work)....but even I have to admit that this tower is a pretty gorgeous design. Sadly the price tag is not reasonable per most Apple products when compared to Windows machine (IMO). Beautifully shot footage in this vid - nice work.
the fundamental problem is, and I'm not being facetious, is that pretty much all MacOS users need a Mac Pro, and not because of its performance. We need the reliability, ability to upgrade, quiet, and low temperatures of a good tower in general. That ought to result in a more mainstream Mac tower that serves the ordinary consumer, but it's been 7 years since we had something akin to the original Power Mac or first generation of Mac Pro, a premium, upscale, midtower that was good for everyone but could be specced quite high for certain demands. That's why we all had to rely on Power Macs and Mac Pros instead of iMacs. It wasn't to have something high-end. It was to get those "soft" factors. The iMac was for the casual user, and the Mac Pro and Power Mac were for people who depended on their computer, whether they were just doing office work or they were working in Hollywood. Basically, we need a new Macintosh II.
@@Janken_Pro Well, all of the reasons I described in my initial comment. A lot of people don't need the speed of a Mac Pro, but they do need the reliability, repairability, upgradeability, and quiet of the Mac Pro. That's why so many people had Power Macs and Mac Pro (pre-2013s) in their office even if they weren't high-performance users. This is also the reason why the desktop form factor is still extremely common in offices across the world. In essence, if you just dropped the iMac hardware into a good midtower, you'd meet the needs of the average Mac-using professional quite well.
Most likely you can increase the max memory usage in Lightroom CC to take advantage of the RAM you have in the Mac Pro. That would be the first thing Pros would do tho make better use of their machine.
a thing I have realised is people aren't talking about what happens to this machine when apple introduces their own ARM silicon. like there's no way they can create a more powerful machine in regards to the CPU and GPU atm, so surely they are going to have to stick to intel? otherwise they loose support for all these GPUs etc, very interesting situation people are not talking about. shows you how long they are going to have to support intel based Macs for unless they dump all these users of the Mac Pro after like 5 years of software support. or can you upgrade and swap out the intel chip for an ARM processor in the future?
You said budget conscious at 5:07...if that is the case you wouldn't buy this machine. A more powerful and more capable machine built with Ryzen CPUS would be faster and cost less than a comparable Mac Pro Machine. I am not sure even 3d professionals or video editors or compositors should buy a mac pro. It is just way too expensive compared to PCs with comparable hardware.
You mention that XDR display might be even more out of your range but that really doesn’t make sense. Here is why: The XDR Display at 5k$ offers something nothing else can offer at that price. Mac Pro on the other hand isn’t anything special unless you spend over 15k$ on it which would make it more “out of your range”. A sub 10k$ mac pro is not really a powerful computer. I can’t imagine a youtube channel justifying the cost unless you are producing 8K videos daily.
Sorry, NEC Multisynch 30, 32" PA series colour calibrated monitor seems like does many things better for less, in design you are right. Also for photo evaluation don't forget the pixel size....brightness doesn't matter since you are usually calibrating it around 90-120 cd/m2
No offense, just want to add that internal USB ports for softwares, especially for hypervisors for virtualization, are with us since decades. All in all Apple took best practices from server manufacturers and added some design twist plus a Unix based OS with nice GUI. I will definitely get one though, from the second hand market a few years from now 😉 really nice touch also the rack mountable version. They have even better design touches on that.
Yep, one of the "tuber" bought the rack version because anytime he wants to switch PCIe cards he has to unplug the Regular designed machine while with the rack version he is free to test the static electricity...(he does not have to unplug, the poor mind) may be today is the day, he says while he does it. (balfaß its sok ember)
Heck no! Shoot, they don't even need an Apple computer. You can make some creative projects with just your phone. Thanks for the highly detailed review!
Can I get your thoughts on C500 Mii & 1DXiii for a professional at your same level? The C500 in particular appears to be a great alternative to a RED, but an upgrade over hybrid cameras and the BMPC 6K.
Just the fact that you can use up to 50gb of ram is kind of crazy, macOS has kind of a weird memory managment system. But it's great at least that a creator like you can just let speak his creativity and the computer is just following everything you try / create
There's like 10 people all around the world that could *need* this kind of machine priced like that, the other 99.999% would just buy a PC and eventually turn it into a hackintosh if they REALLY need some Final Cut Pro use. They would end up with much more horsepower (hello EPYC CPUs) and a solution tailored for their typical use case.
Seems like you are doing a lot of Hackintoshes...can you manage to test out 2x PCIe Sonnet M.2 SSD in RAID 0 for me? What is it like 12,000 MB/s ? Good, I buy you Hack. Seems like you are having a legal business to run a Hackintosh, which you claimed as business expense legally....wait, I get it. NO.
Bigger and uncompressed 4k video files doesn't need that much power to run smoothly than more compressed files like RAW 12:1 for an example. Somehow they always run uncompressed files on these computer shootouts.
11:47 that's why anyone recording that needs to cut down the noise just puts the machine in a different room, or gets soundproofing. Ask a recording pro.
Great computer. For high-end art, graphic design, video, music production, and some other fields (2D and 3D work in other areas) this machine is a dream. If the software is optimized for this particular Mac Pro then even better. But the price is steep. You can build a custom PC or use a Macbook Pro, iMac Pro, or older Mac Pro and likely still do well. BUT...I will admit that I honestly think this Mac Pro, while not the best buy at the moment, is going to do well down the road as more software takes advantage of the ram and multi-core design. I know a lot of music composers may be able to run all their plugin VST libraries within their DAW without the need to use 2, 3, 4, or more additional CPUs all networked. But for now I would not recommend this unless you are running a very profitable business and need to upgrade. If so, then the cost is worth it. For video their new monitor is amazing. While $5,000 is expensive for a monitor, that is actually a steal considering some top-end graphics folks are using Sony and other high-end monitors that cost $30,000 and up. Also, kudos to Apple on the design and expand-ability of this machine.
Also had a great conversation with Justin Tse about this video and our experiences with the Mac Pro on the podcast
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I’ll be getting this new Mac Pro, I still have my 2008’ Mac Pro (I paid $5,000.00 for the computer and $999.00 per Screen of which I have two) with 16GB RAM running OS X Sierra, this will be a great upgrade for me with the new Mac Pro.
Programs I currently use :
Pro Audio :
LOGIC PRO X 10.3.4
Reason 10
Komplete 10
UAD Plugins (All)
SoundToys Plugins (All)
WaveArts Plugins (All)
Audio Interfaces : Apogee Symphony IO, Element 24 & Duet 2.
Pro Digital Art :
Final Cut Pro X 10.3.4
Blackmagic Design Resolve 15
Pixologic ZBRUSH 2020’
Cinema 4D
Autodesk Suite Entertainment Creation 2011 {Maya, Mudbox & Sketchbook Pro}
Adobe® Creative Suite® 5 Master Collection
Corel Painter 12
Harmony/Toon Boom
Digital Drawing Tablets : Wacom Cintiq & Intous
*All the same software installed on my mid-2010’ MacBook Pro 💻 running High Sierra 10.13 & a 2015’ 5K iMac 🖥 running Mojave.
**Never had to purchase any anti-virus software for any of my Macs.
***Upgraded from ZBrush 2019’ to 2020
I’m glad that this new Mac Pro will actually be modular and have PCIe slots like my 2008’. Gonna Max it out and be done with it, hopefully it’ll last me 10/11 years like my original did.
Good job apple.
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That’s the last Mac Pro , by time next year Apple won’t update the hardware. Same reason that happen to trash can. I own the 2010 Mac Pro, Apple never made upgrade video cards for that line. Still today Apple never made video cards with Apple ROM so we could get boot screen
9:16 it’s not new Apple put a internal FireWire port in sawtooth g4. 11:55 who in their right mind, put a tower on their desk? I keep my Mac Pro on the floor so I don’t hear fans going. You also losing desk space that way.
@@macgamer1973 stick MacOS on a vm man, then you don't have to worry about that. all you do is upgrade your hardware as u please and run either Server, Linux, or Win10 as host OS.
But if your a gamer, then just ditch MacOS altogether ;)
"How do I use this ram", all you had to do was open Google Chrome. haha great video!
😂 That would make it too easy
I was about to say that damn!
If you open 100 tabs in Google chrome it could kill a powefull server way more powerful than mac Pro 😁😭😎
No joke, I booted up a 5 year old intel i5-4700k? & it only had 16gb of Ram... Win 7 + Chrome open, no way for me to even run a 4k video! Not Chromes fault, just shocked me is all... AMD just helped kill the iMac 14-20k builds! 5-6k 3950x is epic! Threadripper even more! Thanks.
Imagine if he had 3 tabs open all playing UA-cam videos, the 1.5TB won't be enough
Sounds like the perfect machine for emails and word-processing. We're finally there.
Someone somewhere will buy the base model as a Facebook machine,and someone somewhere else will buy the fully maxed out configuration as a Facebook machine.
Haters going to hate.
@@RX793 Please elaborate.
@@thetrashman5252Is it really necessary to elaborate? SMH
@@RX793 Simp gonna simp
The slightly tilted display is driving me insane...
To quote Conan O‘Brien: “There’s medication for what you have”.
@@XanderEwald 😂😂
SAME
I'm so fucking angry right now
Search for this guy on youtube - Neil Parfitt. He is a professional music designer/editor of some kind. go see his videos. He showed what kind of people this Mac pro machine is made for. He shows his use cases, his workflows. he also shows how much of his physical hardware was all replaced with just one Mac pro. He also showed how that insane CPU/RAM combo is utilized by his softwares. Nice videos to watch. Average photoediting or video editing does not require a hardware costing this much.
lol I dropped the same suggestion
@Ed O'Neill Neil has recorded at Abbey Road Studios. Don't know how much more truly professional, industrial, or commercial of an environment you want to get than that, but I'll give you a hint that it doesn't have to do with video (did you even watch his?)
Well how do you work that one out when this machine has only been on the market for 5 minutes and the only people that can afford one can tend be the most money orientated people.
@Ed O'Neill how is that a News Flash? If this Anyone has money, they can pay for Mac Pro, they can pay for a crane shot, they can pay for an ARRI Alexa IMAX, what difference does that make? Have you recorded or mixed at Abby Road Studios?
@Ed O'Neill Its all down to preference mainly
“I feel like Lightroom is the first thing to start slowing down”
surprising absolutely no one who has ever used that wretched beautiful frustrating software of glory
I'm over here holding out with Mojave so I can use the last Lightroom Classic 6 (the standalone, 32-bit, non-CC-screw-you-Adobe version of Lightroom for macOS)
Trying to get away to capture one
You captured perfectly how I feel about Lightroom. I hate but it's so comforting to use at the same time.
Your videos are always so clean, Tyler. Nice work. Also, I appreciated the nerdy tests. 🤓👍
Thanks so much Gerald! Now I that I know you watched it I feel bad for not going nerdier
Ah yes, the infamous, USB-C-A ports
Overrated for UA-camrs same as RED cameras. This is for real pros.
Really glad that someone gets that!
More like for nobody. Nobody needs this. Overpriced gargabe.
@@future9615 actually they do, for making movies, for big companies and stuff but it's definitely an overkill for video editing and daily use.
@@richardthomasalex Except they will use render farms for that, not workstations...
FUTURE as a son of a movie maker in la, you are completely wrong. This is perfect for movies
I've been working in the media industry for 15+ years now. Was Mac all the way till 2017. Switched to a PC and well, never looked back. I still use a Mac though. It's mostly for FCP. Like editing interviews and such. Everything else, C4D, AE, PS, Illustrator, Premier and everything resource intensive, I do on my PC. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x PC with a 2080Ti card and nvme in raid and a 5TB SSD & 20TB HDD. The price for the entire rig is dirt cheap compared to a Mac Pro. I guess what I must consider is that it doesn't seem viable in terms of price to performance ratio. But, for pure bragging rights about how much money you make, well, I guess this is the way to go if you have $50k just littered around the house or somethin like pocket change.
I am with you on this. Just building a new Threadripper PC that will blow this new Mac away when I am doing 3d rendering or anything else. I do use a MacBook Pro at work for design but that is not by choice.
that zoom in at 2:00 ..... very nice
lol I noticed that too
Very satisfied with my iMac Pro for professional video editing on a daily basis, keeping it for the next 3/4 years, it’s a powerful and reliable workstation and has been paying for itself. Then I’ll eventually upgrade to the Mac Pro.
Nice video, greetings.
What did you do to pay for food and essentials while the computer was paying for itself ?
8000$ for the photography setup? You can get that even cheaper in the apple world. Low end specs make 0 sense on the iMac pro. Not even to speak of a similar spec windows system. You are paying a huge premium for the ability to spec it out.
At min 6:10 you also test video by testing prores 4:4:4? That is the easiest codec for the system, because it has the least compression. Something like H.265 is where you need processing power. (Especially if you go for a variant that doesn't have hardware decoding support)
12:23, another cool thing about the fans is that the housing around the blades actually spins with them, minimizing turbulence. We have so many fan makers out of them and yet I believe this has been novel to the Pro so far.
as a product designer, there are many things on the mac pro that are engineering/industrial design marvels and TBH thats what your paying for. The fit finish on this machine is something to marvel at and miss it an go by spec alone, its made to last
@@gaza4543 Agreed. It makes me realize how stagnant the ATX standards have been. So much good thought in here.
8:08 what's up with the music?
Aqqib Maula yeah, was very weird
It really does amaze me how badly optimized Lightroom classic is. On intel macs and apple silicon macs.
Hey what cameras lighting did you shoot this with. it looks great
Great vid. No prosumer really "needs" a Mac Pro. Only movie studios, VFX firms, etc. stand to actually gain anything from it. The value proposition even for UA-cam work is just not there. A high-end macbook or iMac is still perfectly viable for most, if not all, creative tasks than involve the Mac OS.
Only if they're using mac specific software too
Tyler, I don't notice this all the time in UA-cam vids, but the composition of the frame in your fan noise test is incredible. You arranged all the necessary elements super well in the frame and it looked like something you'd see out of Apple Marketing for a Pro Workflow example. As a whole, this video is one of the best, possibly the best, reviews I've seen yet on the new Mac Pro. Great stuff dude.
Thanks for noticing 😊 each lighting setup in this video took about an hour
Dang! Well, it was worth it haha
Start Logic and open 200 instances of Kontakt
that zoom was so beautiful
A truly creative person would find something else
All your b roll, lighting, etc is so nice in this video. Sick computer, but watched because so much of the video was beautifully filmed.
Thanks so much Tommy! Put some extra work into lighting this one
The Mac Pro wasn't designed with only photographers and filmmakers in mind. It's also designed for Data Scientists, App developers and programmers, machine learning engineers among others.
This is a quite common misconception about the Mac Pro.
Love the color-grade on your videos! Keep creating Tyler!
I liked how you went thru the different apps to show us how this machine is better.
*sees title of video*
No, no you don’t.
At this point being a youtuber or "influencer" and using this kind of equipment is a little overrated and just unnecessary. I mean there are people out there making awesome content on cheapo computers and then people posting on facebook with insanely priced machines. In the the case of this video it makes complete sense.
Edit: awesome video btw
Thanks for watching, but show me a video production environment that will go through more footage than a full time UA-camr.
@@stalman What about a movie production?
@@stalman lol maybe I said too much 😅
On the contrary, I believe content creators today are probably highest on the pecking order of those who churn out media in huge volumes and would greatly benefit them in their world where turnover times and deadlines can be super un-forgiving. A reliable machine is worth the money.
@@jonathanpeter1385 yeah I spoke out my ass, i take it back.
Will I be able to send emails on this thing?
It’s simple if prices is a factor than you don’t need it.
Quick FPGA explainer: Think of it as another programmable processor in addition to the CPU. Whereas a computer’s CPU is designed to work for a huge variety of tasks and the internal logic is essentially hardwired, an FPGA can be programmed to do a specific task much more efficiently, because it doesn’t need to waste hardware on anything extraneous to that task. It can also be programmed to do a crapload or parallel tasks (which makes coding for it a bit of a mind fuck). There’s no reason the Afterburner can’t be programmed to handle other specific use-cases down the road. I could see them being used more in the future, because they’re great for churning through lots of data quite quickly, as long as you’re just doing the same things to it over and over again.
One thing I dont understand is why they don’t seem to prompt any specs about it. I’m sure there must be some common speed or memory metrics to give us a point of reference
Tyler Stalman I couldn’t really say for sure. A guess would be that the specs might not sound very impressive haha. High-end FPGAs have clock speeds on the order of MHz, not GHz. And generally on the order of Mb in terms of memory.
This video was brilliant. No surprise being a photographer it was lit to perfection. I loved the angle from below when you were talking. I wouldn’t usually think to do that but the perspective shift made me feel like a kid; you’re the boss, educating me. 🤣👌🏻 Subscribed. Great content.
iMac Pro 2017 64GB of Ram, 18 Cores and Vega 64X 16GB of HBM2 and one Port 10 Gigabit... For 9,000$ It's much more recomended.
But if You don't need MacOS Epyc 32 cores + 96GB of Ram + 1 TB Evo 970 + TITÁN RTX 24GB 10,500$ but this PC has much more Raw Power, at least the double of the iMac Pro un CPU.
why epyc? they are slower than threadripper.
@@GeckoClever because Epyc has more PCI Express and if You need can install 6 RTX TITÁN directly to the MotherBoard, and with Threadripper You can't do that. For heavy profesional Work and very fast rendering. And the cost is of 20,000$, Even more cheaper than the Mac Pro with Dual Vega II Dúo and 28 core that cost more of 25,000$.
So, Epyc for Upgradiability
@@JoseLuis-kk5jt 6x Titan RTX, damn. Some sirious workload you need for this setup.
If someone else has not already posted, but it is commonly known that both LR & PR tap-out performance somewhere between 6 & 8-cores. On the other hand, Capture One takes advantage of as many cores as your system provides.
well i guess it time for me to switch need something to make use of that threadripper 3970x and 256GB ram
If you want to use the RAM then you load 4000 tracks in Cubase all streaming samples from an orchestral library template, you'll eat up that 192GB very quickly, it won't reach 1.5TB but that's at least 256GB worth of stuff
Hey Tyler Stalman, What I would like to see Blender 3d Software Performance executed on the Mac Pro.
What will be the results of that test?
And can the Pro Res card can be configured to boost EVEE and Cycles Rendering in Blender.
All you UA-cam testers say that it should run great for 3-D but you never show that.
Apple gave you a test machine but you don’t test it on the 3-D. That you say it would run great on this is something that love to see.
To determine, If it is justifiable to spend $10,000 to $50.000 to accelerate a Mac Pro using Blender, Unreal engine, Da Vinci resolve Final Cut Pro and Motion to make a virtual studio inside expensive ass Mac Pro.
The cinematography of this video is 🤯
"How can I do more" Do everything over three XDR monitors. Great video i'm looking to invest in the base Mac Pro for my retouching business and scale up when needed. Getting more and more into Motion Graphics these days.
Why would you want that? The Base Model is probably slower that your current PC.
I kept on getting distracted by how well you lit and shot each scene. It literally looks amazing. Could you maybe elaborate on your set up? Colors pop like crazy. It looks sooo professional. Well done Sir!
That’s very kind of you to say! Each setup took a lot more time than I hoped
“I just want to simply waste my money on this masterpiece" 😂
For professionals working with macs for years, this is the greatest machine yet. They don’t care about pc’s being cheaper. When u can’t afford this machine (assuming you buy the ram elsewhere and create a nice ssd-pci , raid) , you need to ask yourself how professional you are. This thing will give u at least 6 years of being able to do almost anything
Professionals working with Macs basically just means hipsters doing shitty art. Go to any major visual effects studio though and ask them about their Mac Pro's just so you can be laughed out the of the room.
Profesh photog here, and I totally agree with you, the Mac Pro is overkill when living in LR Classic. Wondering what your thoughts are, however, on the display. Worth it? Or wait until that unicorn of a mid-range display comes out of Cupertino.
Thanks Tyler, like you I can admire from afar but can't afford one. I am also a freak about fan noise but found that most workstation class computers such as the HP Z series have this tamed. My one complaint about the Mac Pro, well besides the price, is the strange fixation Apple has with AMD Radeon graphic cards or should I say hatred of Nvidia. Frankly, if you do a lot of rendering Nvidia is often the go to card but the bad blood between the two companies means no support in the Mac Pro for Nvidia. That's a deal breaker for me.
Nvidia's architecture is not as powerful in certain video, photography editing as Ati's. Do some research on it some folks are testing already out there.Depends what kind of editing you are doing. Not talking about gc power but their architecture.
I am considering the MBP 16” instead of the MP. My main work uses Photoshop, Cinema 4D and After Effects. While the MP in the long run is a good deal, I think the best value for my workflow is the MBP. The tests I have seem for the above software put the MBP very close to the MP in performance.
Personally it has to be a MBP for me, but I often wish for more CPU and GPU headroom. It’s too easy to max it out
Hey! Thanks for the video. I'm editing a ton of 4.5k red raw files on FCPX with my base iMacPro... Im running an external screen as well. My 2 questions for the Mac Pro:
1) Can you run 2x XDR displays + 1x 4k display with the Vega pro ll 32gb? Or is the Duo the only option?
2) Would you go higher on the CPU cores or bump up to the GPU from Vega pro ll 32gb to the due? If price vs performance was the only option?
Actually the more things you have open, the more ram you are using. Lightroom not responding is because there arent cores for that program cause premiere is running a video, ps opens photos etc. If you open 100 photos in photoshop it will use less ram than 1000. There is no need to compare it while it opens them, since they are not still in cache memory to even count them in the usage.
Nickos Dimou what do you expect from nerds. They are no computer people just apple shitheads.
Is mac pro good for music production? Protools, FL Studio, Native instruments Machine ???
Would love to see a video about your Audio workflow, your videos/podcast always have such crisp sound!
Great video. My only real problem with this machine is the cost of entry. In Australia the absolute base model starts at $AU10,000 and it's a really crappy spec for the price. As a software dev, this just isn't the machine for me anyway but that's my main objection. A top end iMac is ~50% cheaper with a spec that SMOKES the base Mac Pro.
The 7,1 is so expensive because it is manufactured in America. That added about 2.3x the price to the base model from the previous Mac Pro.
Creativity is about ideas, not the means of expressing it.
1.5tb of ram? supermicro do up to 3tb on a few of their single cpu workstations (more on multi-cpu), not that new either. Much better, particularly when you take the after-sales support into account.
Internal usb ports have been around in PCs for many years.
The limitation of the gen 3 pci-e means you won't get above around 2500MB/s on nvme m.2 drives, let alone if you use more than 1 pci card and it covers everything up. Also what's with the lack of pci slots? I can run a 15000MB/s pci-e card as a hard drive if I have enough space.
Still have the 8bit+FRC issue of MacOS when it sends signals to monitors.
You still have the update issue with MacOS (once it installs an update for software, you can never get rid of it), this caused a few studios to ditch FCP and Apple all together as there was a 6 month wait for Apple to fix the quicktime audio switching issue that corrupted FCP projects.
I have an 8gb RX 580 card in a 2010 12core MacPro (plus a bunch of solid state storage) and it flies through 4K and 6k raw footage when editing - it’s a little slower than I’d like to render out but seeing as 75% of my work is still HD I think my system will still last me a while. I may look at a this new MacPro in a couple of years time and I’m really glad Apple has made a new tower based professional Mac - I’d much rather stick with a nice quiet Mac than build a cheaper PC and would view a £10k+ system as a long term purchase so guess I’d better start saving now for a 16core model now.
Production house: may be!
UA-camrs: probably not! May be if you're mkbhd or LTT!
LTT are returning theres MKBHD has more money than he has brains sorry to say he was just flexing lets be honest not because he needs it just to show he can afford it.
@@hexotech5202 LTT returned because they are PC guys! They could build something better for cheap, for MKBHD it's a good investment I'd say! He's a millionaire! Not for us!
JAYA KUMAR lul wut?
@@Jayakumar So LTT are poor than MKBHD is that what am getting and btw MKBHD had a 8K Dell monitor at a point. but your also right any one can build a better Spec System for a lot cheaper
NO! There just saved you 15 minutes. You're welcome
I want know one thing.....
Why apple why not custom pc...while they perform even better ...
Is it only for warranty service and hassle free experience and mac oc..
Or anything beyond that....?
Please reply
If I wasn’t already subscribed, this video would make me subscribe. Super duper useful.
HP Z8 G4: 2x 28cores and 3TB of ram. Even the old z840, that you can't even buy anymore takes 2tb of ram and maxes out at 2x 18 cores. My 8! year-old z620 has 192gb of ram, just like your r2d2. Yet the main point is: None of that even matters anymore in 2020. If you have serious workloads, you have a small render farm. If you don't have serious workloads, you can wait 5 minutes longer. In case you haven't already transitioned to GPU render. And for that, you should actually have a few Nvidia drivers going... which the mac doesn't.
I found this rather interesting as a freelance designer who has used Macs since the Performa days. Do I want one of these Mac Pro's ??? I would love one, do I need one ??? the answer is no. My current machine runs all the software I use with dual 27" screens. InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Capture One, Barcode Pro and Fontexplorer Pro. Those are the main apps and the Mac Pro would be way overkill for anything that I use. But you have to admit, it is one beautiful piece of kit and you will not get a Windows box anywhere near as good.
Never have so many people made videos about a computer that they have no use for or can't afford. Who actually uses this thing ?
And it is so funny that people say it has more power than they need when the base 8 core processor is about the speed of an AMD 3600X and the 16 core about a 3950X. These are extremely well selling CPUs in the non Mac world.
TechGuy There's people relying on MacOS - it's that simple. Though I would second the claim that abput 99% of YiuTubers making videos about this machine don't need it. The remaining 1% is people like Neil Parfitt, who actually make use of it. But then again, they have their reasons for why they won't use Ryzen/Hackintosh.
Can’t wait to get mine. Chess is gonna be zippy AF.
Thanks man. You made me smile big. :-)
Out of interest, why the program stop responding if it was only using half the ram?
Do Creative Professionals Called Themselves Creative Professionals?
Nope not at all, we list ourselves by our rolls, eg concept designer, illustrator and so on.
gaza4543
I call myself a creative professional.
I don't. I do UX/UI design, graphic design, industrial design and concept design. I am a designer.
Something I haven't seen around on the web is testing Adobe After Effects Ram Preview on this machine. The more RAM you have the longer your composition sequence stays in the green without having to tackle into the Global Performance Cache.
Honest question: why do you get to evaluate this computer, if you don't know what taxes what, or what the various components are for? What's the point of randomly launching stuff with no real plan or goal?
Want to use RAM? One image in Photoshop is enough. Just make a large image and add layers, and your Mac will need to read data into memory. Got 1.5TB of RAM? Or even "just" 192GB? Yes, you will need a large image, but that's not a problem using some high res stills and making a panorama or whatever.
But more importantly: what the hell is the point of maxing out the RAM? Just goes on to show how misunderstood this non performance increasing component is.
good think that apple improves the noise level. their g4 and g5 are notoriously loud.
"Photoshop, is an intensive program" some people say... its not.
OMG
The quality of you videos are astounding
👏👏
Hey Tyler! Love your videos. Especially love the treatments you use to spice up your screen recordings. Could you provide a little insight into how you go about those?
Your review style reminds me of Dieter Bohn from The Verge, which i think is the best and only worth to watch from them. Nice work, i really loved the video
as long as one can earn back the mac pro money within a year. I say go for it no matter what other ppl say is overkill, over price....etc
Customers 2010: Cheesegrater is great! Good job Apple, keep at it!
Phil Schiller 2013: Can't innovate anymore, my ass! Here you go, black trashcan with lots of cables and bad thermal design
Customers: Cheesegrater was great, just give us a cheesegrater pls
Apple: …
Customers: pls?
Apple 2019: ok, we hear you. we really listen to you! Cheesegrater it is.
Customers: Starting at $6000, is this a joke? was $2500 before
Apple 2020: ok ok maybe we put in ARM so you can run iPad apps on it, too? This wat you want?
Great video. Honestly one of the best I've seen on this topic. Enjoyed how you explained everything.
As all your other videos, beautifully lit and shot. Great stuff.
What camera and lens was this shot on?
The FPGA can only be reprogrammed a relatively small number of times, so it's unlikely that Apple would let any 3rd party reprogram it in the field. The whole architecture of such an FPGA is devoted to a very specific series of tasks and such tasks are quite different between, say, a ProRes workflow, and a Red workflow, which involves decompressing JPEG2000 (wavelet compression). What's more likely is that specialized formats will have their own accelerator cards.
Professional movie makers, music composers yes, UA-cam content creators and shills no.
I’m a professional wedding photographer using huge lightroom catalogs and photoshop on a daily basis, I have only just updated my work computer to a 2019 iMac from a 2015 iMac. They new computer just allows me to workflow a bit faster. I think I got my money’s worth from my 2015 Mac and still made about £600 back from it.
If Apple makes it possible for the Afterburner card to do plugin processing in Logic, I'd tip my hat to them. Universal Audio needs some competition on the audio DSP market.
Not a Mac guy at all (even though my job has issued me a Macbook Pro for Adobe work)....but even I have to admit that this tower is a pretty gorgeous design. Sadly the price tag is not reasonable per most Apple products when compared to Windows machine (IMO). Beautifully shot footage in this vid - nice work.
How do you get those computer screen rec angles with the blur?
the fundamental problem is, and I'm not being facetious, is that pretty much all MacOS users need a Mac Pro, and not because of its performance. We need the reliability, ability to upgrade, quiet, and low temperatures of a good tower in general. That ought to result in a more mainstream Mac tower that serves the ordinary consumer, but it's been 7 years since we had something akin to the original Power Mac or first generation of Mac Pro, a premium, upscale, midtower that was good for everyone but could be specced quite high for certain demands.
That's why we all had to rely on Power Macs and Mac Pros instead of iMacs. It wasn't to have something high-end. It was to get those "soft" factors. The iMac was for the casual user, and the Mac Pro and Power Mac were for people who depended on their computer, whether they were just doing office work or they were working in Hollywood.
Basically, we need a new Macintosh II.
elenchus lol office work. Moron.
@@Janken_Pro The Macintosh II was designed for all kinds of work, replacing the more workstation focused Quadra.
elenchus what's wrong with imac for office work? Lol.
@@Janken_Pro Well, all of the reasons I described in my initial comment. A lot of people don't need the speed of a Mac Pro, but they do need the reliability, repairability, upgradeability, and quiet of the Mac Pro. That's why so many people had Power Macs and Mac Pro (pre-2013s) in their office even if they weren't high-performance users.
This is also the reason why the desktop form factor is still extremely common in offices across the world.
In essence, if you just dropped the iMac hardware into a good midtower, you'd meet the needs of the average Mac-using professional quite well.
For the cost will stick with 3,1 and upgrade the ram for photography... but still a dream system.
Most likely you can increase the max memory usage in Lightroom CC to take advantage of the RAM you have in the Mac Pro. That would be the first thing Pros would do tho make better use of their machine.
That’s definitely something I could do in a number of apps. Lightroom really hit a hard processor limit fast though
a thing I have realised is people aren't talking about what happens to this machine when apple introduces their own ARM silicon. like there's no way they can create a more powerful machine in regards to the CPU and GPU atm, so surely they are going to have to stick to intel? otherwise they loose support for all these GPUs etc, very interesting situation people are not talking about. shows you how long they are going to have to support intel based Macs for unless they dump all these users of the Mac Pro after like 5 years of software support. or can you upgrade and swap out the intel chip for an ARM processor in the future?
Seems like iMac Pro better option for most. Parker Walbeck has a good comparison between Mac Pro and iMac Pro.
You said budget conscious at 5:07...if that is the case you wouldn't buy this machine. A more powerful and more capable machine built with Ryzen CPUS would be faster and cost less than a comparable Mac Pro Machine. I am not sure even 3d professionals or video editors or compositors should buy a mac pro. It is just way too expensive compared to PCs with comparable hardware.
Casual people just don't know about AMD.
You mention that XDR display might be even more out of your range but that really doesn’t make sense. Here is why:
The XDR Display at 5k$ offers something nothing else can offer at that price. Mac Pro on the other hand isn’t anything special unless you spend over 15k$ on it which would make it more “out of your range”.
A sub 10k$ mac pro is not really a powerful computer. I can’t imagine a youtube channel justifying the cost unless you are producing 8K videos daily.
Sorry, NEC Multisynch 30, 32" PA series colour calibrated monitor seems like does many things better for less, in design you are right. Also for photo evaluation don't forget the pixel size....brightness doesn't matter since you are usually calibrating it around 90-120 cd/m2
For final cut it can be necessary
No offense, just want to add that internal USB ports for softwares, especially for hypervisors for virtualization, are with us since decades. All in all Apple took best practices from server manufacturers and added some design twist plus a Unix based OS with nice GUI. I will definitely get one though, from the second hand market a few years from now 😉 really nice touch also the rack mountable version. They have even better design touches on that.
Good to know, I hadn’t seen the internal USB before but it’s a great idea
Yep, one of the "tuber" bought the rack version because anytime he wants to switch PCIe cards he has to unplug the Regular designed machine while with the rack version he is free to test the static electricity...(he does not have to unplug, the poor mind) may be today is the day, he says while he does it. (balfaß its sok ember)
Ryzen 3900X and a 2070 super with 64GB is all you will ever need
I've got Ryzen 5 3600 recently and it blows my mind how good it is
Heck no! Shoot, they don't even need an Apple computer. You can make some creative projects with just your phone. Thanks for the highly detailed review!
I know were talking about 2 completely different kinds of machines, but the fan noise that come out of my iPad Pro is Zero DB.
Curious as to how you did those screen shifts/transitions on the app site as you were showing the specs..
SAME! They're so good.
Can I get your thoughts on C500 Mii & 1DXiii for a professional at your same level? The C500 in particular appears to be a great alternative to a RED, but an upgrade over hybrid cameras and the BMPC 6K.
Just the fact that you can use up to 50gb of ram is kind of crazy, macOS has kind of a weird memory managment system.
But it's great at least that a creator like you can just let speak his creativity and the computer is just following everything you try / create
Amazing video! And also those photos you showcased are fantastic. Can you share you workflow.or creative process in editing?
I will tell you how:
Open 3 tabs in Google Chrome
There's like 10 people all around the world that could *need* this kind of machine priced like that, the other 99.999% would just buy a PC and eventually turn it into a hackintosh if they REALLY need some Final Cut Pro use. They would end up with much more horsepower (hello EPYC CPUs) and a solution tailored for their typical use case.
Seems like you are doing a lot of Hackintoshes...can you manage to test out 2x PCIe Sonnet M.2 SSD in RAID 0 for me? What is it like 12,000 MB/s ? Good, I buy you Hack. Seems like you are having a legal business to run a Hackintosh, which you claimed as business expense legally....wait, I get it. NO.
Bigger and uncompressed 4k video files doesn't need that much power to run smoothly than more compressed files like RAW 12:1 for an example. Somehow they always run uncompressed files on these computer shootouts.
Cinema raw lite is compressed raw
@@stalman Thanks, for some reason I missed that.
11:47 that's why anyone recording that needs to cut down the noise just puts the machine in a different room, or gets soundproofing. Ask a recording pro.
Great computer. For high-end art, graphic design, video, music production, and some other fields (2D and 3D work in other areas) this machine is a dream. If the software is optimized for this particular Mac Pro then even better. But the price is steep. You can build a custom PC or use a Macbook Pro, iMac Pro, or older Mac Pro and likely still do well. BUT...I will admit that I honestly think this Mac Pro, while not the best buy at the moment, is going to do well down the road as more software takes advantage of the ram and multi-core design. I know a lot of music composers may be able to run all their plugin VST libraries within their DAW without the need to use 2, 3, 4, or more additional CPUs all networked. But for now I would not recommend this unless you are running a very profitable business and need to upgrade. If so, then the cost is worth it. For video their new monitor is amazing. While $5,000 is expensive for a monitor, that is actually a steal considering some top-end graphics folks are using Sony and other high-end monitors that cost $30,000 and up. Also, kudos to Apple on the design and expand-ability of this machine.