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if you're so rich and can buy this, you might as well buy the full version of WinRAR too
Yeah and all them xp images lol
@@TheV-Man legends use winrar
7zip is better.
@@semafor6736 *laughs in linux unrar*
@@yatokuwastaken *screams in windows*
The whole “Apple or nobody” mentality of these companies is the reason the Right to Repair movement needs more support
or just use a PC?
🤔🤔
Based and Rossmannpilled.
@@GarethXL or just build a hackintosh?
the easier the hackintosh community makes it to install OSX on unsupported hardware, the more desperate apple will become
Ben Hinman That may not be ideal though, particularly for a professional user/company, both from a support perspective and a legal perspective (afaik it’s a grey area).
Coincidentally, earlier I saw a video by someone who said a Hackintosh wouldn’t be suitable (although they didn’t detail why).
Good point. Thank you for bringing this up.
“I’m Returning my Mac Pro” for a title.. then doesn’t say one word in the video about returning it, actually talks about keeping it longer for more testing.. Classic “Bait and Switch”
Yup, totally agree. While I know Linus is a knowledable guy this stunt is freaking asshole-behaviour. Most prolly influenced by his millennial employees who think that's the way to go.
i somehow quite sure this is sponsored..hmm
Came here to say this. I'm a new subscriber, but I'm thinking of maybe unsubscribing already for this kinda stuff.
I mean it's true that it is clickbait though I think for most people it will still be an enjoyable video, if they were interested in _that_ title.
On the other hand, I often wish for more technical video titles, this seems to be a general trend on UA-cam which makes it difficult for me to link a video's content to the title when reading the latter at a later point in time.
@@Mystixor its enjoyable, but it's false advertising, and an asshole move
The reasonable configuration literally costs more than my yearly rent.
Matthew Wong same
Finally i can grate cheese and use my pc
@@lollol-ow8rb Ha, that's amateur hour stuff!! I make homemade pasta with mine!
At that price you should try to buy your own property.
It costs more than my house 😂
"If you're poor buy an iPad."
Damn, I'm not even rich enough to be poor.
Edit: Whoa! Over 9k likes! Thanks everyone!!
Edit: Here an edit for Rafafaro 1337.
No Power this confuses me
and ipads have actually gotten cheaper like the recent 2019 ipad is priced reasonably well even by apple standards of cheap
Negative money, where they charge you for not having any money..
@@BarryMahcockiner It's not. You only get that kind of quality tablet is with Samsung and they're not that too far priced and with weaker CPU (S5e vs 2019 iPad)
Get a job, socialist.
"I'm returning my Mac Pro"
Me: (Grabs popcorn for the comments section)
LTT has the most generic comment section
Apple bad, PC good
@@RamkrishanYT but why think when can say Apple bad PC good?
I literally made some kettle corn and then saw this video. I am prepared
Mac pro is complex
@@RamkrishanYT but it's true, it can be shown with numbers, most of us on here come for best price-to-performance, the only thing Apple has is consumer's loyalty and build quality (really well made and durable).
If you disagree why are you commenting on a video catered to PC elitists? You can like whatever you want (and share your opinion) but don't get mad when everyone disagrees with you.
I thought you'd need an additional special Apple screwdriver for the screws
Wouldnt be the first time.
Nah, apple is more like "you don't need screwdrivers... if you can't open it with your hands then just throw it out and buy a new one"
That’ll cost you 1300
Isn't they charge you for it by default? Hm, there must be licence to use any screwdriver (for a limited time, ofc, renewal required) included in EULA.
@@StavrOgnev only on offical over priced Apple Hardware. Although there is a hackdriver project to get these screwdrivers working on regular PCs. Apple is working on suing them as well speak while HTC and Samsung are innovating.
"Reasonable configuration."
Only 16,999 dollars. Pfff.
Reasonable is relative.
@@petepowaaa you're right, a threadripper would be more competent at a fraction of the price
Can afford 3 of them if I do a quick scan of the sofa
lol xeon he says, I scoff. My threadripper wants to say hi :)
That's nothing. Years ago I checked how much the most expensive mac back then was and with the top end configuration it cost about 25k.
$6000 machine, $150 graphics card. Stonks.
As they say, *an apple a day keeps your kidney away*
Anonymous Suomynona it’s funny when you realize the price points are bs
Anonymous Suomynona
Please tell me what 32gb ram graphics card you can get for $150
@@HydroSheep Please tell me what card with 32 gigs of RAM can you get in a $6000 Mac. (Not $50000)
And just in case you try deleting your stupid argument I'm pasting it here. "Please tell me what 32gb ram graphics card you can get for $150"
@@HydroSheep you are a moron if you are defending the pricing on this hunk of bullshit designed for rich vegan beta males
Linus: _”I love my Mac Pro”_
Also Linus: *I’m returning it*
Also Linus: I kept it past the 2 week return by date. (He's had it almost 2 months now.)
I will totally buy one of these in 10 years time for 100 dollars
TexMex also linus: buys another one 😂
XBOXRULES you sound tired go take a nap 😴
@@chloedegurechaff1941 Buys a third, water cools it.
Oh! This is why the military has such a massive budget. So they can design weapons with these.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Why is the word a while
The military doesn’t design anything, contractors provide the designs and if the military likes it they’ll order. Sure, you could say that the military sets design tolerances, but that’s about it.
Just as long as they don't launch iTunes. The EULA explicitly prohibits using it to develop nuclear weapons.
@@Shane9934 r/whoosh
Weapons and luxury cars are designed on windows on NX, solidworks and catia. They use tools not toys
The whole time he was doing that smart talk I was literally thinking about how his table supports that cheese grater
It really does look like a cheese grater
@@kieranmasonmusic4617 it is a cheese grater
@@big_joe_8478 Bruh apple be making a "luxury" cheese grater now
@@notcristi the wheels are more expensive than the cheese grater computer it carries
Apple's Message: "This is not a consumer desktop"
Puts 580x in it....
U know how apple works. Get a cheap budget component slap the word Pro on it. Profit
girlsdrinkfeck It's apple the mostest bestest phonecomouter and ipad company
I bought my first video card.
It is an RX 580, second hand.
It cost around 140$
I am officially using latest tech as Apple.
M-W-Y 580 and 580x is different
@@spiceydice6968 Watch video plz, Linus shows the difference between them.
Its literally the same
“Apple still finds their own special way of saying fuck you”
That they do Linus, that they do.
*FUCK YOU
this is the way.
@@Cpt_John_Price **FUCK YOU*
especially when you buy a product just to return it
It is still remarkable that apple has managed to obviously listen to consumers on this product though, normally they try to tell the consumers what it is they want from their products.
I'm almost to the end of the video and still haven't heard anything about him returning his Mac Pro. Shouldn't this be the first thing you talk about and why?
Because he doesnt care about your time, just his wallet.
that's why i'm withholding my subscription
You guys are thinking too much
@H D No... titles are made based on the content of the video. Or at least that's how they're supposed to be made.
And even if that wasn't true, the description doesn't say anything about.. well.. anything. Just a bunch of links and him saying that he has the expensive Mac Pro.
@@CorgiButter69 Or not enough...Or beyond my spectrum, baiting me in for the troll of my life!
"I was all out of money after buying the thousand dollar stand" 7:40
Savage
"Ours is what we would call the reasonable config"
*Has 768GB of RAM installed*
TiMe To Run FortNite
@@yazansakran3326 not before opening multiple chrome tabs
Look at the chart around 10:48 - that's the dead middle of the range they have for 8K editing. 8K uses a ton of RAM for just a single layer and so once you start adding more and more layers and VFX or having multiple projects open, it can suck up an intense amount of memory. Remember, he's talking about professional studios and their requirements - not saying it'd be reasonable for your home gaming rig.
I thought you were joking. Cripes!
@uvuweve osas doesn't matter what the point of having 8k. Like he said, it's what professional studios are now using, that should be the only explanation you need
"this thing isn't going anywhere during shipping... - although ours did-"
Cause that 'thing' wasn't screwed in all the way. So it's a manufacturing problem not a shipping one.
We are definitely going to need honey with this one...
Honey could get it to be the price of a car instead of the price of a house!
Don't tell me what to do
Apple: we're making an expensive desktop for the Hollywood studios.
Hollywood shuts down because of Covid-19.
@planet42 or upgrade to something other than this money pit of a system
also Apple ending Final Cut Pro 7 support made the industry shift to AVID and Premiere for the most part. Hollywood is independent of apple and post production only makes sense on windows/linux unless you are a youtuber.
As an engineering student, I now see the reason for 1TB of RAM. This would probably simulate all the the simulation types. But all the engineering software are on Windows.
"Or the trash can. Which nobody bought"
My school: Buys 26
sad to say, but your school is the nobody. however if they are trying to trash them soon, Linus seems to have a shortage.
that's what happens when you have gen-ed majors making computer decisions
Your school's buy good shit? We have intel i3 3rd gen with 4gb of ram
@@wolfhd7509 You have 4gb ram?
My school has a single 2gb stick in each computer
@@33tadas haha. Wow, yea we "upgraded" from 1gb on windows xp haha
6:30 "the elephant in the room"
No, elephants are cheaper.
@Ailsa Ni someone didn't finish that video.
That's because they don't come with a warranty.
I jokingly offered to buy an elephant from a tourist trap in Thailand, and they said they'd let one go for about $3,200. So, Technically, you could buy 5 elephants for the price of this Macbook Pro.
@@evank7858 Stupidity doesn't cost anything...THIS IS A BASE MAC PRO so learn how to count first and we'll talk later...
Google it. NO legit i'm pretty sure a LITTERAL Elephant is cheaper.
The “Genius” Bar is your only recourse for support? Ouch.
@@SusanPDavis fuck off ad bot
One million scams
I've said for years that if you are a gamer or somebody who builds computers for a living, then Apple's products and policies will drive you mad. But I can't help notice how these guys cannot stop themselves from lusting for Apple's products while simultaneously finding disgust at themselves for doing so.
Brand, status, and aesthetics. Nothing else
@@kaibarrera9911 I can see the look on the IT Admin's face when I tell him I want a Mac Pro because it makes me look so hip and cool. "Hey would you guy's drop $20K on a workstation for me, not because I have a need to get work done but because I want to impress that girl in accounting".
Apple, the high class hooker of computer companies
@@SpencerKraisler you can also do that with non-apple devices and have it as seamless aswell.
@@-strawberryrosie-7839 no
13:25 - "They actually don't even offer a parts replacement service for in-house technicians to deal with. It's Apple, or nobody."
And yet, Apple lobbyists still lie at right to repair hearings that: A) other repair options exist, and B) they don't profit from their repair services.
Let's punch a lobbyist in the face.
Um he was on about WARRANTY repair as far as I could understand. And yes Apple is terrible when it comes to right to repair. I hope they get slammed hard.
@@loophole3526 hmm i asked and was told with applecare+ it's onsite.. i don't have to personally take it anywhere
"You're paying so much because it's for your customer support" We spend new car money on a service that will wipe a hard drive for a issue with RAM.
Presumably their customer service is a lot better for large businesses.
@Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH Actually, they screw over large businesses just the same. In fact, they won't even help cops recover data for a serious crime investigation claiming it's impossible, even though an average tech woman got it done in less than half hour.
@@turgsh01 See the problem is Apple has smelled its own but for too many years, they seem to forget their OS is just a modified Unix Shell...….The only reason why Hackers don't usually bother is because they are abysmally a low percentage of worldwide computers sold and used. Ironically they are probably the easiest to hack because the OS code has been around in a primitive form since what 1968? with what Bell Labs took from the original Multrics project??
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 Yup, 100% agreed. And the dumbest ppl in the world buy into Apple products thinking it's the best quality products and service because they're too lazy to do any research.
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 your just wrong, getting into a locked iPhone without a password is actually impossible due to the encryption
This video reaffirmed my desire to keep my 2009 Mac Pro for the next half decade.
My processors (2x X5675), ram (96GB), and graphics card (RX580) have been upgraded over the past year for only about $450 and now it does handy work with editing 4K footage
You could buy alcohol bottle from supermarket or go to a high end bar and order a cocktail, there is a price difference in that .
Spoiler: Linus already confirmed they were too late to be able to return it.
:/
They might be able to sell it at a relatively small discount though.
@@user-xr3rb6pn9m I'll give them 10 dollars for it
@@ganondorf66 I do 10.5
They can get it signed by various youtubers and sell it for charity
12 dollar final offer
*768GB of RAM*
Chrome: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
*_Linux Workstation/Server enters the chat._*
Chrome has finally met its match.
phim q who cares
phim q Could you review some of my essays in the future?
Never had google pass 3gb usage... (Multiple windows and 36 active tabs)
phim q Honestly, I would really appreciate people like you reviewing my essays and researches.
Apple: "My way or the highway!"
Me: "Bye!"
Highway bye
BYEWAY
You don't need a desktop
Wait isn't that the opposite of what Steve wanted to say, when he started building wooden boxes with screen in a garage ?
The definition of clickbait. He never even talked about returning it! In fact, he even mentioned that he would be using it for future videos!
Woooo you just saved me 15 minutes of my life XD
_Classic Linus!_
He's using it in future videos in order to compare it to other offerings, like a Hackintosh or a system using AMD's Threadripper or even EPYC CPUs on Windows.
@@jakehead20 And you can never rip on Apple enough :v
@@Kyugorn Apple always looks for reasons to get shit on, so let's do as they want!
"I've been thinking of retiring."
"No guys I'm not actually retiring. Yet."
"Okay guys I'm retiring my Mac Pro now."
I'm getting confused
@J D yeah his mac pro is probably what he meant. I understand why he was in tears about it, that thing is expensive
We are all confused by your post. Then again I’m more intrigued about the other 57+ illiterate up voters backing up your failed post hahah
I'm not exactly a professional in this field, but I'm pretty sure that the first title you've mentioned is written in past tense, so it's obvious that he is not retiring.
As far as i know these videos are pre recorded and the one he made bout the retiring was the latest one but these videos were made way back in January 3rd or smth
It's all clear now. He is retiring...the Mac Pro.
When I saw it I immediately thought: this is a Pixar order. I guarantee you they have their offices filled with those.
13:25
"Good question! *No.* "
Title - "I'm returning my Mac Pro" - real video, not a mention of sending it back.
Yeah why would he return it if he even could? I'm curious now. It sounded like the support for non-enterptise customers was the biggest deal breaker.
They did say on WAN show a while ago that they were planning to do as much testing as they could and then return it before their return window closed.
You suck.
Clickbait bullshit as always. In video he's only mentioning more videos they're gonna make on it about upgrading it themselves.
@@faceplants2 he's returning it to get his money back. They don't need it more than just to make videos.
13:00 - I work for a enterprise company with the Dell enterprise service contract. They are very hardcore, tech was onsite within an hour each time. Or the odd time they were a bit longer I got lots of calls explaining and apologizing for delays (too many actually lol, but better more then none). So yea its comparable or probably better. I also had the choice of them just sending me the part and replacing it myself for stuff I was confident was dead (Dead power supply was one example), which I doubt apple even offers. Returning the dead part was fast and easy and they send you a prepaid expedited shipping label too (which actually not all enterprise grade support pays for).
(DELL EMC to be specific, but their support techs/HQ are the same even though it's a separate entity for the enterprise side - the escalate calls I get are from "Dell Global Command" ya sounds like some star trek thing lol)
We have HPE's as well, it's good also, but not as crazy hardcore/fast as Dell, and their support is worst about just sending you a part without doing a lot of unnecessary steps. Even in obvious cases with dead power supplies or similar. To the point I don't call our special dedicated support number, I just submit tickets online and get the server health data ready cuz they always demand it.
hey, apple will change PSU too. Only you will lose all data and its gonna cost 2k€ :D
My ears immediately perked up when I heard "IBM Global Technology Services". They are a laughing stock when it comes to timely and/or expert service. I'm actually shocked that's who handles Apple's Enterprise Service Contracts. They are notorious for low-bidding contracts despite what expectation agreements are set, only to perform so poorly corporations will eat the cost of canceling the contract early rather then see it to term.
When my Dell laptop wouldn't charge, I contacted them via chat, they responded immediately and contacted their nearest tech to pay me a visit, he got there within a few hours ( he was on a nearby city) checked it, determined the battery wasn't working properly and replaced it, everything was covered by dell's warranty, not a single extra penny was charged, from that moment on I was a dell customer for life.
Yep. At this level support is more important than benchmarks or hardware.
I had a similar experience as a regular home user; they sent me the replacement parts and a shipping label to send the old parts back with.
0:39 No sane person should buy that.
I get a Threadripper 3 PC with the best motherboard, the best GPU, a fancy case, RGB lighting AND a cheese greater for less than any Apple product that can half as much!
No sane company would do that and go through the reliability issues that may occur from 10 different hardware companies
@@bryanh5524 May you didn't know but there are companies offering exactly that and you still have enough money left for 24/7 support
Threadripper 3 would lose in a render test against these xeons.
jama211 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@jama211 @Linus Tech Tips: A man needs clarification!
Would a single Xeon smoke a single Threadripper?
Apple 10 years ago: we strive to make our products affordable
Apple 2020: “Product buy-in: 40 million" "Actual Product: 200 million" also we are gonna need your first born an arm AND a leg....ಠ_ಠ
Returning my Mac Pro, because I need retirement money.
Or a car.
m.ua-cam.com/video/oHg5SJYRHA0/v-deo.html
^ This is why Mac Pro is good
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@@antthunder3898 ily lmaooooooo
@@antthunder3898 well played
Selling my mac and buying 3 actually usable computers
I feel like I can physically see his pain while reviewing Apple products. It's never a "happy" video so to speak, he is just doing it because it exists. lol
well yeah, he actually said that in a video once about how tech trends force them to ride the wave or risk getting booted out by the almighty algorithm.
You can legitimately hear it in his voice sometimes.
Or its cause of his midlife crisis
Apple is basically communism
@@Hockey-ny7tp best conclusion lol kkk
Linux is definitely the future for serious work. I run a Linux workstation now, and I cannot see any scenario in which that will ever change. Could be happier, but not by much. I'm learning DaVinci Resolve and I've moved over to a lot of other Linux-native tools which are just as good or better than what I was using in the past, or the same cross-platform tools which end up running better on Linux anyway. Apple really lost their way. Microsoft, too, for what it's worth. Being able to make the decisions that make the most sense for me, whenever I want, and being beholden to no one company is very freeing and ultimately is more productive. macOS has become a cargo cult. The sooner "pros" realize this, the better.
Apple Silicon Mac Pro: Hold my beer.
11:34 I can explain why they would choose 2 separate Vega ii instead of a duo: two will give each gpu 16x pcie lanes, while a duo has both gpus sharing one 16x lane. This won’t matter for 3D rendering or some workloads, but it will matter in cases where you are doing 8k playback, real time color grading, etc. Even apples white paper on Mac Pro recommends two vega ii for video and this extra bandwidth. 3D work is fine, since it’s not pcie limited
Wow I'm trying to imagine the PC you could build for that money
i previously fucked around on parts picker and for 2k less than the most expensive model of this, you could get 44 cores, and like 20 tb of ssd, 9 monitors, and 1tb ram. this was before m.2 ssds, and i havent bothered checking those.
Imagine what I could do with all those 2080ti's
cpu wise they would be wrecked by AMD threadrippers for sure even with a 24 cores I'm dangerously close to their perfs and there's the 32 and soon 64 cores
what would still bring the price up is that they don't use gaming videocards but special ones with a lot more vram than we have, still obviously would cost less overall
i just built a PC for $3000 australian, equivilent but worse graphics and less ram mac was $13,000
Almost the same. Building a system with the same power wont be really cheaper. Also it's IMPOSSIBLE to find a replacement for their display.
"You don't need a desktop!" -Apple
Me - "I just built one after 15 years on laptops and now I wish I'd have had one 14 years sooner."
When you're gonna do pro work almost exclusively in a stationary environment, it typically makes no sense not to get a desktop. The upgrade factor is a big plus.
For some reason, laptop upgrade options *still* suck. How hard is it to make laptop GPU card and slot for it? I'd say not very hard, considering that used to be a thing with high end laptops.
Depends on the laptop. I have a laptop that works exactly like a desktop (it even has a proper desktop CPU). The only caveat is that I can't replace the GPU :'(
Desktops are better tho, for sure, but it also depends on the user and use case.
Yeah I got an iPad for work once and surprised myself when I never used it outside of the job, turns out when a pc can play games it's good enough to watch UA-cam and Netflix on. In bed I just watch stuff on my phones
Welcome to the fold! Upgrading can be an adventure, and sometimes frustrating, but changing up some of your guts in the future vs buying an entirely new machine is great!
@@InfernosReaper I remember those days. If your lappy has I/O ports for it, you can still do a GPU breakout box, but why do that when you can do it cheaper, better, quieter and cooler with a desktop?
Having all those cores is just crazy... I have an old 8 core intel and more than half are almost always parked... would be curious how many of the 28 cores are parked...
Probably already covered, but that W-3275 is NOT what comes with the upgrade to 28 cores from Apple. Instead, you get a W-3275M, which is a different and much more expensive beast. The W-3275 does run about $4400, but the W-3275M will run about $8600-$9500 (some may have it as low as $7500 or so). There's also a huge difference between the Vega II and Pro Vega II. It's not just twice the RAM and a few more CUs.
“Nailed the design” .. yeah literally they went to town on it
Nikko Loredo it’s a big bro design
.. with a hammer
Well to be fair even though I too think it looks a bit boring, they did make it look expensive and premium without looking flamboyant. Which is what you want in a corporate environment. Apple is truly the Audi of computers: Premium but understated look, high price for cheap parts, bad customer service, unreliable, not particularly exceptional at anything, image based on good experiences from the past which are no longer valid on current models and completely overrated in general.
@@CheapBastard1988 Not a car person but a) Audi's really don't look "understated" to me and b) the reason people go with apple is specifically the customer service and reliability. You even said it yourself, they're super common in business use, and that's because the higher reliability makes them more profitable to use.
@@brreeaad Apple and reliability? You have never heard of one Louis Rossmann, have you?
10:45 BEST MEME
Shifted from the trash can design to the cheese grater design. Beautiful
Hmm after researching a little bit, I found out that the 28 core Xeon processor has a "high" ram version up to 2TB total. The Xeon W-3275M which costs around $7000. That is something that Linus overlooked in this review.
Hmm, really?
Man: I need a loan for a new car
Bank: Which car do you want?
Man: The new Mac Pro
Want wheels on that?
*+$400*
@@err0r0b0 I've bought actual wheels for a car for less than $400. They weren't even crappy steel wheels either.
@@err0r0b0 I'm dead lol
@@CrazyJewIIISLKS guessing they were used or just mean the tires and not the rims included
@@danman9847 They were used but they were wheels not tires.
Let’s also be a bit more clear about “studios” there is big difference between “post production” and “VFX”.
Post studios are FAR more likely to buy these, but post studios are generally quite small and will be buying them in single digital quantities, even if the percentage of their staff using them is high.
VFX companies rarely have any Mac’s in use for production work (MacBooks and iMacs very widely used for admin purposes though) in the past several years I’ve worked at a number of big and small companies all over the world, even at the studios with 1000+ employees you can count the number of Mac Pros on one hand. The VFX industry has long since moved on from Apple, they just aren’t used. Even windows is sparsely used, the vast majority of workstations are from Dell or HP running a variant of Linux.
Looking at corridor digital for example, most of them look to be using windows?
Anyway, they have to deal with rendering time, so raw horsepower is important and Apple just lags behind a bit on the hardware front.
As a visual effects artist at a large studio I can say the same. The Mac Pro is a meme, the people that buy them like MKBHD are laughed at because these machines are a complete scam in all but technicality, they exist to take advantage of peoples ignorance. They sell idiots on the "pro hardware" that no pro actually uses. Nobody is using "pro" GPU's when gaming cards are faster (other than those that actually need the output options like a colourist), nobody is using hundreds of gigabytes of ram, and nobody is using ECC memory when the errors they prevent are a once in a decade event on an individual workstation and that's not a problem considering autosave exists in most professional software. I do a lot of fluid sims, pyro, destruction, etc, and it's rare to have something using more than 128gb of ram when working on it, if I need more it goes to a farm dedicated to running sims on anyway and that's the final stage for production quality.
The only people buying these are shill UA-camrs like iJustine and small studios of hipsters that usually work on ads in places like Chicago, people who don't need much computing power anyway but still think it's reasonable to buy this garbage. You really won't see any of these at places like ILM.
@@oBCHANo I never heard MKBHD saying he actually bought that shit, and ijustine is most probably completely sponsored by apple under the table, and i have also noticed that if you even look at most reviews of apple products, especially the most expensive ones, they are different from any other product they review, you would almost never see someone reviewing an expensive apple product an comparing it with something else or giving alternatives, while when they review other things they are way more thoroughly and talk about alternatives, makes me think they have to sign some disclosure agreement with apple to be able to get those computers, because after all thats everything apple is about just marketing, now sure there is no alternative for the Mac OS for general consumers, but for that price if i were reviewing that stuff i would always say "please move onto something that is not ripping you off" lol... Anyways i actually have a question for you, not related to this, from what you know how really important is VRAM in general for work software? i always say is more practical to prioratize GPU speed over VRAM, so for example it would be better to have a 6gb 1660 ti than an 8gb RX 580, not that VRAM is not important but the speed should come first, or what do you think?
"the vast majority of workstations are from Dell or HP" aren't those workstations considerably pricer than the Mac Pro? last time I checked they were, although they were from the previous generation.
@@eddxw as far as i know they are not, even alienware is a lot cheaper than Apple, you can get an alienware PC with 4 years of their best support which includes accidental damage, i9 CPU, 64gb of ram, dual 2080 super, for $5100 thats even cheaper than the base Mac Pro and is gonna perform a lot better.
When Linus said horsepower, it suddenly came to me that it is not unusual for high-end PCs to exceed 1 horsepower in high load situations. Fabulous.
Great videos on the MacPro. I don't need one, can't afford one, don't know what I'd do with one, don't understand half the stuff you're talking about-- but it sure is entertaining! Thanks.
Tip (Maybe. Clearly I'm not as smart as your team): What I did with my stereo amplifier. I had a couple of extra USB fans (arrived by accident from Amazon, liked 'em, paid for 'em) placed on the top of the vents. I made a filter holder out of cardboard (just like Apollo 13 but without the fake drama, "how are we ever going to fit a round thing in a square thing.") The filter I had was an 8x8" car HVAC I just happened to have around. Now I blow filtered air into the amp. After about three years there's not a spec of dust inside, no overheating (the particular Onkyo I have is known for this problem). The filter is fuzzy grey to the level of plush toy. But now I'm guessing the MacPro pulls air in through the bubble grill? So cut your own filter or do my hack--for the MPro or anything else.
Wasn’t Apple offering financing on the Mac Pro at a ridiculous rate?
“Woo! Worked enough for my payment bro!”
“I didn’t know you were still paying off your car bro.”
“It’s not for my car bro. It for my computer bro.”
“....bruah.”
KAT no bruahhhhh
shoulda bought a car bro
Bro
Yes and it's also possible to buy the $1000 monitor stand via a loan from Apple at a 30% interest rate. You can pay it off in multiple payments.
Who needs to pay rent when you can put yourself in debt for a $1000 monitor stand that doesn't even come with a monitor? 😄
It's good to hear that there are studios moving to alternate OS based PC's and not getting stuck with Apple's high cost or Windows issues any more.
They will never offer those OS's to us though.
David ??? linux
@@cooper.john. it's terrible. Took overall decade to fix a single exploit in Systemd. Slackware is the only distro I would trust, and even they have issues at times.
Windows still seems like the most flexible option though.
@@bizmonkey007 Horrible color management is the biggest issue, even in windows11. Ms never botherd to improve it since windows XP. Other than that, Windows is very good.
At 3:43 I really like the offset angle of the Lucifer in Grey, looks cool at that angle.
Fun fact: At a lower price, you can make a 2 64-core Epyc 7742s with 2 RTX 3090s, 2 1500w PSUs, 2TB RAM, RGB RAM heatsinks, 14tb of PciE m.2s, 64tb of HDD, the best peripherals, A Lian LI desk cabinet with space for two PCs, a water-cooled PS4/Xbox/both, water cooling for the PC, 3 4k 120hz TVs/1 8k TV and all Adobe products and it would still cost less than this.
Oh, and an entire home theatre system
I know it's practically impossible, just wanted to compare
Threadripper only supports 256 gb of ram you would have to move to amd epyc
@@jackscarce8570 Oh, yeah right, gotta change that
What the Afterburner card does is burns you after you've bought it.
Morgan it's worth 2k
Lmao
It's great for boosting timeline performance and... Literally nothing else as far as I've seen
@@blakeok952 Then after you spend 2k on it you realize it does nothing hence my original comment.
LOL
10:43 I love how self conscious LTT is about their memes.
linus sex tip
In House meme creations
self aware*
@John Chaser wacky linus tech tips doing even wackier things
VFX artist here, thank you for doing your research on power users in the work force. We use PC's running window or linux. The only Apple products we use are MacBooks that Producers and PA's use to take notes and show quicktimes of shots to the client. We tend to have dual Xenon setups with 128g ram. Price those out to Apple and its not reasonable at all.
"....AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS FAIR?" I immediately clicked the next video when I heard that.
And then came back to comment
Apple: "Right to repair? Nah, never heard of it."
@Jack Handy they arent more out, than you are of your basement lol.
@Jack Handy Salty much?
"This thing isn't going anywhere during shipping!"
"Except it still moved and did go somewhere during shipping."
*Sigh*
Exactly, the over-engineered and applauded graphics card mounting system didn't even work in the end.
It's not going anywhere...but it kinda is.
It has like 30 pounds of shipping material so at least they didn't skimp on that.
@@apocalypseap True, a nice excuse for them to charge more and claim it covers shipping to not secure your video card.
Rumor has it that the 2077 Mac Pro will be priced at 699,999 usd
14:59 Congrats! you made it to the end!
Software professional here (aka part of the apparent demographic). If this was in the $1500-2500 range we'd be running our whole shop on these for the obvious benefits of beefy development towers and native BSD, but for these prices there's no fucking way anyone is getting one of these approved. We'll be sticking to significantly cheaper i7 business workstations with Ubuntu.
Fuck your pricing Apple.
"choosing Xeon W at this point in time was an unfortunate decision" oh boy, Threadripper is coming!
Apple R&D so slow that they'll release Mac Pro Threadripper in 2029
I don't think Apple is ever going to release an AMD based system given their past product history
@@FinnMakesVideos You do realize this Mac Pro is ONLY sold with an AMD graphics card? And AMD is far more competitive on the CPU side right now.
@@FinnMakesVideos This time they'll have to if they want to remain competitive, especially performance/price. And Renoir versus Intel + dGPU.
I priced this out on pcpartpicker and you can build a $10,000 pc with similar (if not better) specs for what apple sells for $22,000. PC prices due to AMD's new lineups is really helping the market out.
But the burning question is "Does it come with a headphone jack?"
Why yes, yes it does
Indeed a surprise. What is not surprising is the lack of motherboard based IO. Come on Apple, you rely on an add on board for basic IO. Wasn't that a thing that was ditched in the days of Intel 386 and 486 processors?
I actually just thought about that. Now I'm curious if it doses.
@@PhilipRicketts Yeah it does. Linus said so at the end of the video. It's in the back, 'cause where else would one need a headphone jack?
@@PhilipRicketts Yeah it does. Linus said so at the end of the video. It's in the back though of course, 'cause where else would one need a headphone jack?
0:37 absolutely LOVE the fit. I have 2 of them, in fact.
I've recently watched a movie with Liam Neeson. The name of the movie is "Non Stop" filmed in 2014. On 52:46 the divide between the galley and the main cabin looks like the design of the mac pro cheese grater...hmmm :)
The one thing I love about this Mac is the PCIE latch. I'd love to see it in more cases.
same tbh that is a very nice feature that I wish I had on my motherboard when changing or removing the graphics card (jamming a screwdriver under a 700 euro gpu is not pleasant or comfortable)
Something like that would need an update to the ATX motherboard and case standard, which has largely been unchanged for the last couple of decades or a new standard in itself which wont be happening anytime soon
Saqeef Iqbal couldn’t agree more but damn would it be nice to have anyway tho😂
over engineering it for incompatibility took so long the parts got outdated before launch
Unfortunately Threadripper isn't scalable so you can't have it in dual socket configuration . Only Epic is scalable (without P in the name)
@Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH I wonder why they didn't. Maybe it's because AMD is so focused on undercutting Intel on value that Apple couldn't justify marking their processors up like crazy.
@Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH Threadripper is targeting the same market Intel is with their Xeon W lineup. These are not multi-socket compatible.
@Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that these are not compatible in a multi-cpu config.
I spec’d one of these at the Apple website just for the heck of it, with the best available add-ons plus the monitor and I got $49,995. This makes this computer more expensive than all the 7 vehicles I’ve owned so far, some of which are not-so-old BMWs and Mercedes.
I can't even imagine why anyone would ever need 768GB of ram. thats so much ram that I can't even think of an example of what it would need to run to get anywhere near it's limit.
Possibly some kind of extreme simulations, or something like that
@@PatheticTV even that doesn't require that much seriously
0:30 2019 Mac Pro looks like a cheese grater.
You think Mac in it stands for Macaroni?
Is it an unlimited supply of mac & cheese? Because THAT would be worth 14K greens
I have to say, Dell's enterprise support is amazing.
My Dad's company had it for a fairly old Dell he was using, the guy got out within 24 hours (the fault happened at 5pm at home, I think he got there at 10am the next day).
The tech diagnosed it as a main board issue, swapped it all out on site, then left once he was sure the issue was non-recurring.
THIS is what actual professional support looks like , for professional computing products.
the 2019 Mac Pro looks more like a cheese grater than the 2006 Mac Pro.
because it is a cherse grater, a cheese grater that costs 16k dollars lol
10:43 "8K = 35.4 million pixels" .... What is this number? Last time I checked, 7680*4320 is about 33.2 million?!
10:42
Best part of the video
Lmao
Such a boomer selfie
yes
linus face
linus face
Apple Presents: The New Mac Pro
"Time to learn Linux!"
Highly recommend it. I got fed up with macOS and Windows and learning linux has been a lot of fun. Being able to run an entire operating system in less than 600 MB of ram and zero background activity/telemetry (on the distro I'm using) is such a euphoric experience. It also boots very quickly on slower external HDDs, whereas windows and mac os can take over 10 minutes to finally finish loading everything.
@Kernels And that's fair. But it's not true for everyone. Premiere users are still stuck on Mac and PC, but people using BlackMagic's Davinci Resolve and Fusion can use Linux just fine. Similarly, the Android and Tizen SDK's are both Linux-native, Maya, Matlab, Mathematica and Autodesk Eagle.
Maybe your workflow doesn't suit Linux, and that's fine - get a Mac, buy Windows, whatever suits. But it's cool and impressive that Linux is now a practical professional choice for people OTHER than Scientists.
@@inthestudy And even then, for MATLAB, the suite is, for those purely into numerical simulations, on the way out with Python 3 replacing it in several institutions. My university recently stopped using MATLAB in the lower grades, with the changes expected to affect the higher grades when the lower grades graduate. And, Python is much more comfortable to use on Linux than Windows (although it's also fine on macOS due to both being Unix based systems).
Also being a tech-site I’m surprised your lack of looking into “the tech”.
- Number of PCIe lanes
- Completely cordless internals
- Using 2 GPUs och 2x16X vs 1x16x
- The “what ever this thing is” = Infintiy Fabric between the two GPU’s
- You fudged up on CPU-version it looks like. Intel-tax, not Apple
- GPU price isn’t much different if you look at Quadros vs RTX-cards which you don’t look at and you actually do get a tangible benefit with infinity fabric when using 2 cards.
That said, price of entry is an issue. But compared to HP / Dell... not much at all. Problem there aren’t cheaper options from Apple. But the MacPro does have the edge that all MacPro 2019 in the base are identical, only then options change the machine. This is often not the case - and wasn’t the case back in the “old” MP days either. Single and Dual core machines had different internals.
That said... Apple should have a $1500-3000 desktop under the MacPro. It could skimp on power and have far less expandability.
@@loicvanderwielen Not to mention, you can embed C and Fortran routines compiled directly into Python modules - SO if Numpy isn't quick enough - you can write blisteringly fast Fortran code. Though we're getting rather off my point, which was "It's not just for Science any more! You can edit movies, too!"
Normaly I don't like adds. But it is good Sennheiser PC37X is available. I own the pre-pre decessor called PC 350. It's the same headset without switching the mic off, when you raise it over your head. That was introduced at the later PC 360. The real intersting part: You get replacement parts! My left speaker driver died as it fell down one time to often. I could order a replacement driver, mounted in the baffle for a HD555 for around 30€ directly from sennheiser. So they indeed use the highend driver from their pro headphones. You could argue that you could buy a complete headset for 30€ and that is right, but it won't sound that good. The PC37X is not cheap, but it's one of the best headsets money can buy. Because it's a closed system the HD555 does sound a tiny bit better, but the headset surpresses noise around your very efficent.
"cant find one for comparison"
Just found one on ebay for 500$ by searching "mac pro trashcan"
Buy it
@Mr. Muhammad Iqbal I'll send monitor stand
I bet Apple can sell a Cheese grater and a cucumber for $3,000.
fu er dai will buy it. LOLs.
And some one will buy it lol
but only if you buy extended apple care its $9000 without that
Pshhh... the outdated Cheese Grater already cost $3,000...
if you expect them to throw in fresh produce along with that, you must be new here! ^_^
To about 4 people, yeah...
This title is totally misleading. What is so difficult in naming it "Mac Pro Review"?
Because MONEY!
Wait? Who cares?
Linus is the master of clickbait
@@blacbraun At least he doesn't use "*GONE SEXUAL*" or similar in his titles lol
Clicks dawg
I work in the VFX industry. I have yet to see a Mac Pro used anywhere, none of the big studios have them outside of the editing room. Perhaps smaller indie shops that run on Cinema 4D, but all high end work is done on Linux PCs with nVidia Quadro cards.
So, "Don't buy Apple" still the recommendation for anyone who hasn't got a business-funded reason to do so.
Stephen Hutchison I mean more specifically it’s “Don’t buy the Mac Pro unless you need a Mac Pro”
It’s not marketed for the average consumer and that’s ok
@@matthewtompkins5540 Exact,ly consumers who need or require these kind of devices with this much power don’t really have a budget. So it doesn’t matter if the stand costs $1k or if the display costs $6k.
@@matthewtompkins5540 it's not ok, it's a massive ripoff
I could build a fully kitted version for a fraction of the price
2:42 i thought my video started to buffer
No Linus. They wanted to send a message that goes like this:
"We need to keep increasing our profit margins to make our shareholders happy so, pro customer or not, screw you. We're banking on you being too busy or technologically illiterate to actually compare prices anyway."
And there's a big crowd for that who think Apple is cool. So yea, Stoinks.
You know, the "we do everything to please our evil shareholders" comment is getting pretty old. Apple is a publicly traded company, the shareholders are thousands if not millions of anonymous individuals from across the planet, like me, who haven't even stepped foot in the USA. The notion that there is some kind of occult group of billionaire vampires sitting in a dark room doing product design is stupid
Except comparing prices is what half of all professionals in administration do for a living, so how Apple remains successful with that strategy is a mystery. (Other than maybe the fact that non-professionals unjustifiedly have the money to dump on brand profit margins for products they don't understand anything about, because our civilisation drowns itself in luxury farmed on the corpses of people in poorer continents.)
@@astrocslopes863 You're in the LTT UA-cam Comment Section. The last thing you're going to find is a rational comment or discussion.
Apple makes some of the most impressive tech out there
I worked at a movie theatre for 5 years and it surprised me that we used 2k video. We would rarely ever see a 4k DCP come in, and when we did it was for something like the Dolby Cinema. Apple can hook someone like MKBHD onto this, but that might be as far as it goes.
I've got to say that the soundtrack for this video was incredible, keep it up sound man!
Linus is pretty much the only guy who actually makes me interested in the paid sponsors. The way he words everything is great.
It's mainly because he acts enthusiastic about EVERYTHING, & does UNIQUE (far as I can tell) recitals of each ad 4 each video, or @ least tons of variations. Just slapping on the same boring 'commercials' would B 2 boring. Now hurry along & buy that $70 ($3 max Chinese) screwdriver LOL!!
"If you're poor buy an iPad" 14:05
First world poor people.....
Laughs while using my laptop with a 10 generation old cpu
@@Venture8234 Laughs while use a Etch A Sketch
no idea those people ,rich people live in their own little bubble.
@@fayenotfaye you're in the wrong comment my man
@@fayenotfaye 🍎 nerd
Not gonna lie, the prices are absurd but the build quality is A+
Apple is sending a clear message to its customer base - " Go be pòor somewhere else"😂
Now it's not Apple fanboys calling everybody else poor, it's Apple calling its fanboys poor. Tables turned.
@Thatshow ED Ikr? iSheep always use the same "hurr durr iz cuz ur poor thas y u hate apple hurr durr!" argument and I'm just over here like "What's that? I couldn't hear you over your CPU fan going apeshit because that $2500 paperweight is struggling to run fucking Minecraft!" 🤦♂️
It’s not exactly supposed to be a widespread consumer product though. Apple doesn’t expect you to buy this and put it in your home office.
@Thatshow ED LOL! That's rich. Yeah they most often can't prioritize. Which is why they put so much trust and faith behind companies that see them only as walking dollar signs.
@@danielsandwich8864 Irrelevant. You can still build a way better PC for just a fraction of the price and you can pick your own parts. With this Crapple nonsense though, it's all proprietary bullshit and it's usually the most baseline basic shit. But if you want the premium shit, you have to take out a second mortgage on your house! Not to mention you're completely locked out of the very system you just spent a god damn fortune on!
"It's either Apple or nobody!" Or nobody at all when Apple won't even sell replacement parts.
Non serviceable proprietary garbage. Apple, HP, Dell, and all companies like them who are trying to make Computers proprietary can go burn to death in a fire.
Not true.
@@SpartanArmy117 cut the plug off the cpu fan and cut the Molex plug from the psu. Splice the cpu wires to the yellow(12V) and black(ground) Molex wires.
Sure it'll scream you have no cpu fan when you boot, and the fan will run at max speed 24/7 but it'll work!
who edited this!? it is awesome! the effects
So you think the Mac Pro is expensive in US and Canada?
I Brazil you can buy this "reasonable configuration" for R$171,599.00 (Brazilian Reais), for comparison, a Honda Fit costs a lot less than half of that (R$64,100.00).
We have something commonly called here as "Brazil cost" that makes a lot of things more expensive just because the companies can. It also applies to cars as well, a Honda Civic made in Brazil is sold for cheaper in Mexico than here, and with a lot more accesories.
I missed the part when he talks about returning it (as per video title). Can someone help me?
Yeah and this is hella annoying. His comment about "poor" is bullshit. I had to check to see if it was april fools.
I must have missed it as well. Was it some quick one-liner? Someone got a timestamp?
He even mentioned making more videos about it a couple of times 🤷🏻♂️ clickbait is here to stay, folks
@@JoeyTeckno
Bilir Kasuh he doesn’t say he’s returning it. He mentions how expensive it is. It is clickbait.