@@dirt_xoyea that’s kinda how I am, I kill most people I come across and I haven’t played ER much yet but boy did I spend hundreds of hours in fight clubs at pontiff.
It puts me off from even wanting to try pvp tbh. Like in the competitive pvp games I've played so far , I generally look forward at how high level gameplay looks - that to me is where the fun is. But ER pvp feels like the opposite, where it's like almost every good skill one needs to master involves doing unintended things, that look just awkward. Like, I look at some good pvp players and they spend a decent chunk of the time playing menu simulator to hard swap, and then there are all these other things too. And I'd be fine if there were just a few of these, but seems this is literally most of the things you need to do to not be at a huge disadvantage.
this has actually been incredibly helpful, ive been playing pvp in this game for a while and one of the things that keeps happening is hearing all this tech and terminology without nay videos or explanations on what they mean. Another thing i found super useful was the input drop section, since its been so annoying dealing with input drops and honestly, being told its a "skill issue" is actually a large comfort because now i have the knowledge to actually stop it happening rather than just complaining. Thanks for making this and im looking forward to future videos.
I mean... Is it a skill issue that the game drops your inputs because it literally cannot reliably handle the que system it uses? It sounds like it's a game development oversight that must be accounted for by the player, not something actually really effected by the player; they are playing the game as it was intended to be. I'm wary about calling mechanical issues with the game a reflection on the player playing it.
wow, never seen anyone really put it all together like this. been playing ds3 since 2018 and learned the pvp since, and sheesh, it really is pretty a lot harder to learn than I remember lol. i hope they change the latency issues somehow so people won't have to learn it
@@Rust_BKT look into "rollback netcode". The best implementation of it would be project Slippi. Amazing stuff for peer-to-peer that minimizes lag AND makes it consistent for all parties connected to one another. It isn't easy, so Fromsoft would need to invest to make it happen. It could potentially fix the largest issue with their PvP that has persisted for over a decade.
Now THIS is the kind of video these hordes of casual PVP noobs need. Spacing is the most important thing in souls PVP. Spacing is everything. Praise The Sun taught us that back in 2015. (RIP King). I thought about doing something similar myself, but invasions with streams of consciousness videos are so much more fun to make. I admire your effort. Guides are difficult.
Thanks man, i appreciate the compliment. I really suck at freeform content, i think it takes way more creativity than a scripted video to make it actually good content. Hats off to ya
I NEVER KNEW these were animation cancels and perfectly timed techniques… I always thought people like G9, Steel and Chase liked running around, blocking the air and spam crouching for style points 😭😭😭 fml
10 months late but ive been playing dark souls 3 since i was 11/12 when it came out. i figured this out now in 2024 and its like, it literally makes sense. ive been pivot canceling withouth even knowing i was pivot canceling
I'm surprised I do half of this stuff but never saw anyone describing the names for it. I just talk about it collectively as timing/spacing for all weapon types. I also use the running L1 stored running attack to bait players with slower heavy weapons to swing just so I can catch them at the end of their animation for a clean hit. Doesn't always work because I mess up the range for some weapons, (phantom range) or latency no matter how slight makes the biggest difference. I'm glad I found this because there are some things mentioned like preventing the pivot turn stop, I never knew since playing demon souls, dark souls and all from soft games that this could be prevented so I don't delay a roll in que and die. Definitely subscribed 🎉
PvE Souls vet here & new subscriber trying to get into PvP. Very impressive PvP stuff you’ve created. Being brand new, and finding it difficult to find quality starter/beginner PvP 101 guides- it would be great if you could create one. I think it would potentially attract a big beginner demographic to your channel- then we can build a base to then progress to a point where many of your other videos can be applied.
Ive always had a hard time trying to conceptualize the script for that, what to include, what to leave out, whats important, workflow, ect ect. But i do agree it would be valuable. I will take your feedback and try to think of something that can work post-dlc, and see what i can come up with, ty
@@Rust_BKT thanks for the reply! Some quick thoughts regarding your comments: Beginner video focusing on entry/low level builds (ex.-lev. 25 +1/+3 weapons)- how to craft from start, beginner friendly playstyles (ex. Strength halberd,etc.) and very basic dueling fundamentals. Essentially the base foundation low level skills, weapons, equipment & strategies necessary to compete well as a Duelist PvPer. Repetition, success/failures in perhaps dozens of duels experience at this level, will then prepare the Duelist to understand many of the concepts/situations you illustrate in your present videos- and enable them graduate to that mid level to advanced/expert demographic that you’re currently targeting.
It would be helpful if we could get an even more in depth demonstration and explanation/tutorial of each of these techs. I always go by “feel” in pvp so all this is new to me
I wanted to commend your efforts in explaining how to understand latency and how to play around it. I noticed you show a similar latency to the one I have and it's nice for once to see someone that understands how the game usually feels to me when I play it. Your insight into these matters has helped me enjoy the game more and helped me alleviate some of the frustration I feel in having to constantly deal with lag.
Weird to see wavedashing used by a community other than the smash bros one. I'm here for it, let's go! Glad *you* made the video, too - I can def trust you.
I’m 1 minute in and gave a like. Cause I have been waiting for all the “good” PvP players to post this kind of informational vid and here finally we have it. Thank you good sir
I’ve just subbed to your channel, great content. I don’t know if you have already, but a tutorial on how to play against passive players would be great, since that is the one I struggle most with, and come across in the duels all the time. I kid you not, I had duels that ended in Stalemate just because the opponent is playing so passively to the point that made me return the favor. In the end, they really NOT want to be attacking first. I love PvP but both in ER and DS3 I don’t like the “attack first die first” concept.
Tbh, eden ring suffers from the same issue. If someone decides they dont want to be hit and they have a giant circle to run around in, then they dont have to. Passive play is optimal in this game. That being said, small, fast weapons with hard to react attacks are good chasedown. Things like fist rr1, thrusting sword, shamshir, and even twinblade have atleast the ability to chip damage during their run attacks with fast frame data. You can try to frame trap with certain spells or or glintstone phalanx. Sometimes the best option though is to lay down a Holy ground or warming stone and wait for them to stop freaking out
Great video man! Your channel was suggested to me the other day and I’ve been going thru learning tons by watching your vids. I’ve been able to pick up on some things watching other channels, but never actually knew what the majority of it was called or how to properly pull it off. Your channel is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I play for a hour or two each day so I’m definitely just a casual PvPer but I got to a point, back when MAG was still the arena, where I found myself winning way more than losing. My internet provider ended up having some issues so my speed got significantly dropped up until the other week so I stopped playing for awhile…just the thought of making someone fight me with my piss poor connection turned me off. But I got back to 1v1s and man, you’d think I never did PvP before in these games the way I’m losing lol. Kinda discouraging in a way, but your vids and a lot of really close fun loses make me want to not just get to the level I was playing at before, but even better. I love these games and nothing comes close, for me, to the fun PvP has to offer. tldr; Thanks for the content, these videos are beyond helpful!!
We all have good days and bad days. The best players focus on their consistancy more than their tricks, you seem to already be in the right mindset, youll get back in the groove
@@Rust_BKT i dont think you can negative space an unlocked on claymore r2 with ds3 version insane rotation frames. Its sad claymore has less rotation in elden ring
Just fyi "Priority" as it applies to fighting games is a vestigial term that vaguely tried to describe why counter hits would take place (not counter thrust damage but hitting the opponent in the startup of an attack.) or why an interaction that was some combination of frame data and hitboxes would occur. It also was used in a small number of games to describe a mechanic where if two buttons would hit on the same frame, instead of trading, a button denoted as higher strength would win. IE mediums beating lights, heavies beating mediums. I understand Fromsoft players don't use the terms in the same way but it is trying to describe similar things and I think it needs to be delineated even more from the current vocabulary and ultimately divested from in favor of more precise language.
I feel like im understanding what youre saying and i will think we mean the same thing here. I wasnt refering to priority as counterdamage, but rather as who governs the aggression in the fight based on having sufficient poise damage and the frame advantage to continue to press the attack without risking a trade. In the scenario i brought up toward the end, where HTS did jr2, which was rolled, scythe had priority out of the roll because the hts does insufficent poise damage to maintain its advantage after a trade, so its forced to react to the scythe. Basically, the hts can take the trade, but its immediately in disadvantage afterwards, giving scythe priority. I hope im understanding this right, please correct me if im still using the term priority differently, maybe theres a better word i should be using
@@Rust_BKT So generally speaking if this was a fighting game they would have frame advantage but this concept is a little tougher when you talk about whiffing an attack though in a world where latency wasn't a factor it would still apply. Smash calls it "advantage" generally but I'm less enamoured with that though it might be more apt here. (On hit in the case of the scythe it is just frame advantage in general) I don't mean to deride this is super helpful in general I just personally find it hard to bridge the gap in language and figured I'd offer my thoughts.
@@FadedVIsage naw i appreciate it. Im aware that alot of the language has flexible interpretation, including things like “wavedashing” which generally means something different in other games. But the more accessible the information is, the better, and using good language helps a lot
I’m tempted to not share this video with my sparring partner, but this video deserves to circulate as much as possible. Thank you for the incredibly helpful info!
I just started elden ring pvp through low level invasions. I win most of them, but i came across this one dude with taunters tongue on and he DESTROYED me. I could tell he was really good at pvp. I felt like a scrub fighting steelovsky or g9 😂 All of these tips are really helpful and it’s exactly what I’m looking for.
Your a legend for these tips, I had no idea about storing sprint attacks! Would it be possible to do a similar video showing the different things you can do during a delayed roll/sprint?
@@Rust_BKT the small window of time when holding sprint, releasing ends in a delayed roll. I'm not sure if it has a name, but after seeing this video, it made me wonder if it can be explored more
I try some of this stuff and it doesn’t even matter because the hit never even registers and you’re already half dead by some invisible attack in return
@@Rust_BKT or you know fromsoft could bother fixing their garbage netcode and not connect people without proper severs or something or block out poor connection ranges so its less of an issue, you do realize a lot of the issues this game has in pvp is due to how poorly setup it is. Also the animation cancels you show seemed like they were leftover or poorly coded and probably kept, and most likely were something kept from one of the previous games or was something just leftover and wasn't something they wanted to deal with.
As somone who is transitioning as a sweaty from a different game, and am mediocre at this game so far, I appreciate this video to help me train to be a full on sweaty loser. Just started getting fluid as reverse backsteps
This is amazing. Thank you for this. I just found your channel and I'm gonna watch all of your pvp tutorials. I look forward to more. I need to ask: is there any Discord/forum where PvP people congregate to talk about tech like these and how to perform it?
Eldenringpvp.net is a site thats ran by members of the community where you can find alot of really valuable research and information, i cant speak highly enough of it
I watched this after playing PVP all morning and missing every attack. Now I am hitting Greatsword attacks like it is nothing. 10/10, would watch again.
my favourite whiff punish is by just running at them until they roll once, then i time it to catch their second roll cause Im a kgs main and we are deprived of all whiff punish potential
Loved your channel, you are a good teacher and the videos are really well made and edited. If you want a suggestion tho, its really hard to find your content, probably because of the titles, i think if you use something more straight forward it would be easier to find it.
I play with mouse and keyboard and doing quick circular rotations when playing with greatspears is was trully nightmare...until you showed me that you can tap block button and make it easier
On a very basic level you can be aggressive in elden ring but it can cost you most players are used to dodging and ability using and parrying but if you can simply master the timing for anything coming at you I mean you can basically do whatever you want unless you’re fighting parry gods they are very annoying
Would be great to round these guides out with guides for caster builds. All of this is very meta focused and it's good to be aware of the hidden and not so apparent intricacies of the various meta and melee builds it's fundamentally relevant to. But how do caster builds respond, i.e. how do they better cope with these advanced tactics and situations? Likewise, how do melee builds respond to caster builds (or, if it's not just simply close-the-distance, apply pressure, and exploit dry-FP situations, are all caster builds obsolete in these highly competitive contexts, is it all just meta)? Would really be interested to see your take on this.
I agree, i dont think im the right person to present that information though. I dont fight enough competent casters nor play them, because its too much for my two little braincells to manage the multitude of spells.
@@Rust_BKT Don't be so modest, you'll do just fine if your 2 meagre braincells can manage the meta-complexities on show here. It's just a different sort of challenge (handicap?). And who knows, you might actually enjoy it.
8:13 Important to mention that weapon hitboxes are usually much larger than the weapon itself, which can also give the impression that you're getting hit by invisible air even if the latency is low. I think this is one reason why some people feel the PVP is shit even on very low latency.
The fine detail of the weapon hitbox i dont think is the major factor that most players are fighting with. But it is true that the hitboxes arent confined to the dimensions of the weapon. They really arent all that crazy big though. I should make a video at some point about that though. Thx for bringing it up
@@Rust_BKT I think it somewhat matters when compared to pve hotboxes which Fromsoft tries to make very accurate. Fromsoft is more ok with weapon hitboxes being inaccurate for the sake of player charitability.
@@Rust_BKT Then you must have also ignored the hitboxes on a lot of weapons, something like the knights greatsword has the largest hitbox of all greatswords and its highly noticeable there's a reason certain weapons work so well, either status or weapon hitbox range and latency around them.
I really appreciate this video a lot it’s going to help loads, but it’s incredibly annoying that a person can’t just be good with the intended mechanics of the game and prevail in PvP. This is the only game I’ve ever played where the Tech is so vastly advantageous that you basically NEED it or there’s no way you’re going to win against anybody at endgame level. Even if they ain’t good they can tech you to death lol The fact that Tech can literally make you untouchable or unpunishable, especially with latency issues is a huge problem Tech is important and a helpful tool, but it shouldn’t be mandatory because of how huge of an advantage it gives you Like this PvP needs a huge rebalance lol, but until then (That day will probably never come lol) I’ll learn the shenanigans as they come out
You dont need tech to be untouchable. If you can react roll every attack and never risk a prediction then theres no reason you should ever lose a match. No tech needed. But understanding the mechanics that exist in the game, intended or not, will help your odds. My goal is to make the knowledge more accessible so that anyone who plays the game can learn from a reliable resource
@@Rust_BKT yeah and that’s why I’mma still learn these. The tech I’m talking about in particular is instant ash of war. No start up animation, couple that with light roll and latency and it’s just ridiculous man. But being able to Instantly use moonveil, Blasphemous blades art, Wave of Destruction etc, with no start up what so ever. There is no prediction. No way of knowing what art they are going to cherry pick from their bag of holding If you’ve run into it, it’s the closest thing to having a gun in Elden ring you can get Idk if it’s tech or a glitch but it’s basically just a W button No reaction time or rolling, prediction anything can help with that. One second they have a spear in hand, then a split second later you’re hit with Moonveil before they even take the weapon out. Stuff like that is why I don’t bother with colosseum or invading I probably should have lead with that lol, but even if I actually found a video or Reddit post on how to do it Myself like…. Where’s the skill or challenge? I wouldn’t be getting better or learning anything. I’d just be blasting people I’d just be bringing a shotty to a sword fight I do see your point and agree with it, but the stuff I mentioned above kinda just defeats the whole purpose of a Souls game Yanno? The challenge Just broken and unfun
@@dragonoflegend8798 glitch, not a tech, and nothing you can do about it if someone decides to pull it out on you. In all my time invading and dueling, ive only had people use genuine glitches on me like 2 different times, not including IGN exploit, which is like, whatever. Theres bad attitudes from all sides of it though. If you pvp youl get tbagged, pointed down, get hate mail, or whatever, but those dont matter. Because every now and then you meet someone whos really cool and you get a new friend… Insert shonin anime quotes or something here.
Really solid videos, hope you keep uploading and dive deeper and deeper into the mechanics of the game. There isn't enough in depth educational content out there and these videos are filling that hole up nicely. Especially nice when you talk to the top tier players to get information on the mechanics. Also hoping for a switch to 1080p, 60fps and higher bitrate videos at some point, this channel could become the go-to for this kind of content about Elden Ring.
man ive been pretty adamant that keyboard and mouse is perfectly fine for these games, but the more i see about higher-ish level pvp the more i feel like im in an uphill battle without a controller. been playing these games too much with keyboard tho, kind of a sunk cost thing here. im not exactly trying to be a master, would rather not deal with the controller learning curve tbh
Aim punch isnt really relevent in a video about movement and spacing. But its definately a good topic to talk about, and ive brought it up in other videos
This video is amazing, it covers so many fundamental mechanics in just 10mins. What's your controller settings though? I noticed you mapped crouch to triangle. Do you play claw grip?
I do, and i think my setup is suboptimal for wavedashing because i cant hold sprint and tap crouch with claw, i have to use my thumb to do both actions. I think backpedals make all of this way easier
Half of this wouldn't exist if the game wasn't poorly designed on the backend and things weren't only peer to peer or if the peer to peer connection ranges were limited, its not even a fundamental mechanic its something the players are forced to work around.
I got clapped so hard today on pvp I learned and faced another guy I lost to a couple matches before and I spanked him This gale rewards putting down yiur pride and getting good
I think we were all expecting a patch by march, but i guess dev team is strictly focused on dlc. Luckily we have some amazing community members from the ER PVP discord that are working on a new format of getting through to from development team that had success in the last few patches. Which is awesome, so im hopeful
Imagine desync and latency based PvP, no servers and p2p connection only, no rollback netcode, rolled hits still apply status but no dmg? Even tho the game knows the hit missed, all while locked to 60fps in the year 2022. GOTY material right there....
I'm a pretty new player (87 hours played) to Elden Ring, and especially the PvP. I imagine trying to perform all of these techniques on the default button layout is not practical? If so, what kind of button layout would you guys recommend?
Honestly just use whatever youre comfortable with. Plenty of people use default, plenty of people use mouse and keyboard. I just swap my jump to L3, thats about it i think
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This has cemented in my brain that I will never be good at this
Fr the latency thing kinda makes it 100x harder too😂
I can reaction parry and backstab people quite easily but I was an extremely active pvp player in ds3 so that carried into Elden Ring obviously.
@@dirt_xoyea that’s kinda how I am, I kill most people I come across and I haven’t played ER much yet but boy did I spend hundreds of hours in fight clubs at pontiff.
@@austininmon8064 hell yeah
It puts me off from even wanting to try pvp tbh.
Like in the competitive pvp games I've played so far , I generally look forward at how high level gameplay looks - that to me is where the fun is.
But ER pvp feels like the opposite, where it's like almost every good skill one needs to master involves doing unintended things, that look just awkward. Like, I look at some good pvp players and they spend a decent chunk of the time playing menu simulator to hard swap, and then there are all these other things too. And I'd be fine if there were just a few of these, but seems this is literally most of the things you need to do to not be at a huge disadvantage.
this has actually been incredibly helpful, ive been playing pvp in this game for a while and one of the things that keeps happening is hearing all this tech and terminology without nay videos or explanations on what they mean. Another thing i found super useful was the input drop section, since its been so annoying dealing with input drops and honestly, being told its a "skill issue" is actually a large comfort because now i have the knowledge to actually stop it happening rather than just complaining. Thanks for making this and im looking forward to future videos.
I mean... Is it a skill issue that the game drops your inputs because it literally cannot reliably handle the que system it uses? It sounds like it's a game development oversight that must be accounted for by the player, not something actually really effected by the player; they are playing the game as it was intended to be. I'm wary about calling mechanical issues with the game a reflection on the player playing it.
Wake up honey, the best pvp tutorial on YT is out
Really? Where!? I need it!
@@Rust_BKT You silly))
@@noot_er pingu absolute legend noot noot
I wish my mom said that!
wow, never seen anyone really put it all together like this. been playing ds3 since 2018 and learned the pvp since, and sheesh, it really is pretty a lot harder to learn than I remember lol. i hope they change the latency issues somehow so people won't have to learn it
The netcode is definitely a thing, as long as they stay on peer to peer connection though, i dont know if that will ever be possible
@@Rust_BKT look into "rollback netcode". The best implementation of it would be project Slippi. Amazing stuff for peer-to-peer that minimizes lag AND makes it consistent for all parties connected to one another. It isn't easy, so Fromsoft would need to invest to make it happen. It could potentially fix the largest issue with their PvP that has persisted for over a decade.
Now THIS is the kind of video these hordes of casual PVP noobs need. Spacing is the most important thing in souls PVP. Spacing is everything. Praise The Sun taught us that back in 2015. (RIP King).
I thought about doing something similar myself, but invasions with streams of consciousness videos are so much more fun to make. I admire your effort. Guides are difficult.
Thanks man, i appreciate the compliment. I really suck at freeform content, i think it takes way more creativity than a scripted video to make it actually good content. Hats off to ya
@@Rust_BKT I just play and say shit. No strategy or thought put into it. Somehow it works lol
but spacing is cheating
@@glatykoffi6672 true, im a filthy fucking cheeeater
I NEVER KNEW these were animation cancels and perfectly timed techniques… I always thought people like G9, Steel and Chase liked running around, blocking the air and spam crouching for style points 😭😭😭 fml
10 months late but ive been playing dark souls 3 since i was 11/12 when it came out. i figured this out now in 2024 and its like, it literally makes sense. ive been pivot canceling withouth even knowing i was pivot canceling
Had me at wave dashing. Lovely work Rust
Thewavedashingsaint 🖤
I knew all these things existed, but seeing them all laid out in this form helped me determine what i need to work on the most. Thank you so much.
The guides are back 🔥
Great information. Idk how long it will take me to actually learn and then implement this stuff, but this is a great resource to have. Nice work!
This video is phenomenal, thank you so much for putting it together!
I'm surprised I do half of this stuff but never saw anyone describing the names for it. I just talk about it collectively as timing/spacing for all weapon types. I also use the running L1 stored running attack to bait players with slower heavy weapons to swing just so I can catch them at the end of their animation for a clean hit. Doesn't always work because I mess up the range for some weapons, (phantom range) or latency no matter how slight makes the biggest difference. I'm glad I found this because there are some things mentioned like preventing the pivot turn stop, I never knew since playing demon souls, dark souls and all from soft games that this could be prevented so I don't delay a roll in que and die. Definitely subscribed 🎉
PvE Souls vet here & new subscriber trying to get into PvP. Very impressive PvP stuff you’ve created. Being brand new, and finding it difficult to find quality starter/beginner PvP 101 guides- it would be great if you could create one. I think it would potentially attract a big beginner demographic to your channel- then we can build a base to then progress to a point where many of your other videos can be applied.
Ive always had a hard time trying to conceptualize the script for that, what to include, what to leave out, whats important, workflow, ect ect. But i do agree it would be valuable. I will take your feedback and try to think of something that can work post-dlc, and see what i can come up with, ty
@@Rust_BKT thanks for the reply! Some quick thoughts regarding your comments: Beginner video focusing on entry/low level builds (ex.-lev. 25 +1/+3 weapons)- how to craft from start, beginner friendly playstyles (ex. Strength halberd,etc.) and very basic dueling fundamentals. Essentially the base foundation low level skills, weapons, equipment & strategies necessary to compete well as a Duelist PvPer. Repetition, success/failures in perhaps dozens of duels experience at this level, will then prepare the Duelist to understand many of the concepts/situations you illustrate in your present videos- and enable them graduate to that mid level to advanced/expert demographic that you’re currently targeting.
Great video. That backstab of the guy trying to reverse backstab was brutal lol
Actually insane video
Great guide man.. I was only interested in wavedash technique but ended up clearing up other terms I wasn't familiar with.
Thanks a lot for fulfilling my request,really appreciate it ,your video's information are something most tournament players won't disclose easily 🙏
Great guide 👍
Alot of people's confusions stems from the 'Latency' aspect. If only the games had proper Rollback Netcode, but alas ~
this might be the MOST EASY TO LEARN guide about ADVANCED MECHANICS
It would be helpful if we could get an even more in depth demonstration and explanation/tutorial of each of these techs. I always go by “feel” in pvp so all this is new to me
I wanted to commend your efforts in explaining how to understand latency and how to play around it. I noticed you show a similar latency to the one I have and it's nice for once to see someone that understands how the game usually feels to me when I play it. Your insight into these matters has helped me enjoy the game more and helped me alleviate some of the frustration I feel in having to constantly deal with lag.
Heck yeah. I didnt know you could do any of this. Thanks
Weird to see wavedashing used by a community other than the smash bros one. I'm here for it, let's go! Glad *you* made the video, too - I can def trust you.
This is helpful as hell
Seen all these movements from steelovsky. I’d say he’s the best Elden ring UA-camr in terms of skill and knowledge
Jeenine would clap him unfortunately
I’m 1 minute in and gave a like. Cause I have been waiting for all the “good” PvP players to post this kind of informational vid and here finally we have it. Thank you good sir
Glad I could help, thx for your support 😄
greatest tutorial video of all time
I’ve just subbed to your channel, great content. I don’t know if you have already, but a tutorial on how to play against passive players would be great, since that is the one I struggle most with, and come across in the duels all the time. I kid you not, I had duels that ended in Stalemate just because the opponent is playing so passively to the point that made me return the favor. In the end, they really NOT want to be attacking first. I love PvP but both in ER and DS3 I don’t like the “attack first die first” concept.
Tbh, eden ring suffers from the same issue. If someone decides they dont want to be hit and they have a giant circle to run around in, then they dont have to. Passive play is optimal in this game. That being said, small, fast weapons with hard to react attacks are good chasedown. Things like fist rr1, thrusting sword, shamshir, and even twinblade have atleast the ability to chip damage during their run attacks with fast frame data. You can try to frame trap with certain spells or or glintstone phalanx. Sometimes the best option though is to lay down a Holy ground or warming stone and wait for them to stop freaking out
Thank you for this. I am still very new to the pvp scene, but I am excited to learn
This is a really comprehensive video. Thanks for all the tips.
Omg fn god how did I miss this! I got covid again so I ain't nothing to do cept git gud. Thank you, you beautiful bucket
Get well soon
@Rust_Bucket thanks man already am just gotta finish out isolation before I can go train bjj and work again
That little tip you added for fun actually clutched me, s/o!
One of only pvp guides I ever seen.
im taking note. thank you for this
This is amazing work. Insane detail.
Great video man! Your channel was suggested to me the other day and I’ve been going thru learning tons by watching your vids. I’ve been able to pick up on some things watching other channels, but never actually knew what the majority of it was called or how to properly pull it off. Your channel is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I play for a hour or two each day so I’m definitely just a casual PvPer but I got to a point, back when MAG was still the arena, where I found myself winning way more than losing. My internet provider ended up having some issues so my speed got significantly dropped up until the other week so I stopped playing for awhile…just the thought of making someone fight me with my piss poor connection turned me off. But I got back to 1v1s and man, you’d think I never did PvP before in these games the way I’m losing lol. Kinda discouraging in a way, but your vids and a lot of really close fun loses make me want to not just get to the level I was playing at before, but even better. I love these games and nothing comes close, for me, to the fun PvP has to offer.
tldr; Thanks for the content, these videos are beyond helpful!!
We all have good days and bad days. The best players focus on their consistancy more than their tricks, you seem to already be in the right mindset, youll get back in the groove
Great video. It was informative, well-rounded, and concise. Bravo my friend 🍻
Great video. Thanks I’m saving this and will watch multiple times.
Ayye been waiting for one of these videos to drop. Thanks buddy
Love your attitude man gained a sub 🎉
Exceptionally good video, thank you. Please keep up the very fine work.
wow i wish i had this when i was learning ds3
“Let’s start with the R2, the centerpiece of any greatsword.”
It was just easier to show negative spacing with that. Id have to slow the video to 30% speed to show the r1 clearly
@@Rust_BKT i dont think you can negative space an unlocked on claymore r2 with ds3 version insane rotation frames. Its sad claymore has less rotation in elden ring
Good old ds3 days :')
@@Rust_BKT xd the quote above is from the “Greatsword tutorial” from ds3 by Jeenine and Gabri, it’s a meme
@@slooed5855 sorry, my casul is showing🙈
Now this is content, i will apply this knowledge on my cursed builds
10/10 guide
Just fyi "Priority" as it applies to fighting games is a vestigial term that vaguely tried to describe why counter hits would take place (not counter thrust damage but hitting the opponent in the startup of an attack.) or why an interaction that was some combination of frame data and hitboxes would occur. It also was used in a small number of games to describe a mechanic where if two buttons would hit on the same frame, instead of trading, a button denoted as higher strength would win. IE mediums beating lights, heavies beating mediums. I understand Fromsoft players don't use the terms in the same way but it is trying to describe similar things and I think it needs to be delineated even more from the current vocabulary and ultimately divested from in favor of more precise language.
I feel like im understanding what youre saying and i will think we mean the same thing here. I wasnt refering to priority as counterdamage, but rather as who governs the aggression in the fight based on having sufficient poise damage and the frame advantage to continue to press the attack without risking a trade. In the scenario i brought up toward the end, where HTS did jr2, which was rolled, scythe had priority out of the roll because the hts does insufficent poise damage to maintain its advantage after a trade, so its forced to react to the scythe. Basically, the hts can take the trade, but its immediately in disadvantage afterwards, giving scythe priority.
I hope im understanding this right, please correct me if im still using the term priority differently, maybe theres a better word i should be using
@@Rust_BKT So generally speaking if this was a fighting game they would have frame advantage but this concept is a little tougher when you talk about whiffing an attack though in a world where latency wasn't a factor it would still apply. Smash calls it "advantage" generally but I'm less enamoured with that though it might be more apt here. (On hit in the case of the scythe it is just frame advantage in general)
I don't mean to deride this is super helpful in general I just personally find it hard to bridge the gap in language and figured I'd offer my thoughts.
@@FadedVIsage naw i appreciate it. Im aware that alot of the language has flexible interpretation, including things like “wavedashing” which generally means something different in other games. But the more accessible the information is, the better, and using good language helps a lot
Ill look up in more detail on this topic and see if i can reword things better in the future
You are my new PvP guide channel, A gud 'ol sub for you!!!
I’m tempted to not share this video with my sparring partner, but this video deserves to circulate as much as possible. Thank you for the incredibly helpful info!
Youll never get better fighting people that are worse than you. Thats why we do these videos, spread info, help people grow. Get better ourselves.
@@Rust_BKT Absolutely. I love finding this kind of well presented instruction for that exact reason
God rekt at coliseum, went here to learn how to PvP, decided to put my foolish ambitions to rest. Great video!
Woah nice vid man
I had no idea the block cancel worked on classic r1s, I used to play with crouch cancel to get a fast crouch attack. Thank you
great stuff Rust thank uu
I just started elden ring pvp through low level invasions. I win most of them, but i came across this one dude with taunters tongue on and he DESTROYED me. I could tell he was really good at pvp. I felt like a scrub fighting steelovsky or g9 😂 All of these tips are really helpful and it’s exactly what I’m looking for.
Insanely good tutorial! Congrats Rust!
Your a legend for these tips, I had no idea about storing sprint attacks! Would it be possible to do a similar video showing the different things you can do during a delayed roll/sprint?
Glad you found the video helpful. What do you mean exactly by delayed roll/sprint? Im not sure i take your meaning
@@Rust_BKT the small window of time when holding sprint, releasing ends in a delayed roll. I'm not sure if it has a name, but after seeing this video, it made me wonder if it can be explored more
@@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710 oh i get your meaning mow. It would be something to mention as an extension to “dont panic roll”.
literally the answers to all my questions
I try some of this stuff and it doesn’t even matter because the hit never even registers and you’re already half dead by some invisible attack in return
i recommend you watch the video on spacing, it will help explain what youre experiencing,.
@@Rust_BKT or you know fromsoft could bother fixing their garbage netcode and not connect people without proper severs or something or block out poor connection ranges so its less of an issue, you do realize a lot of the issues this game has in pvp is due to how poorly setup it is. Also the animation cancels you show seemed like they were leftover or poorly coded and probably kept, and most likely were something kept from one of the previous games or was something just leftover and wasn't something they wanted to deal with.
As somone who is transitioning as a sweaty from a different game, and am mediocre at this game so far, I appreciate this video to help me train to be a full on sweaty loser.
Just started getting fluid as reverse backsteps
No clue what any of this means but I’m pumped to try it out
great work
This is amazing. Thank you for this. I just found your channel and I'm gonna watch all of your pvp tutorials. I look forward to more. I need to ask: is there any Discord/forum where PvP people congregate to talk about tech like these and how to perform it?
Eldenringpvp.net is a site thats ran by members of the community where you can find alot of really valuable research and information, i cant speak highly enough of it
6:27 i didnt know block pivot messes with the opponents lock on, WOW
This stuff is so incredibly complex and subtle... I can barely open the menu sometimes, I don't know how I'm ever going to learn some of this, LOL.
we all start somewhere. but fr, ive died in my menu more times than i can count xD
Thank you For Making This💪
Very good video. Had no idea most of these were possible
i needed this
great video man ngl
I watched this after playing PVP all morning and missing every attack. Now I am hitting Greatsword attacks like it is nothing. 10/10, would watch again.
This is excellent. Subscribed.
Great video man really well explained
The getting backstabbed out of a ravioli attempt is so me
Same
Lower skilled player here, this is cool to know but I ain’t doing it 😂
my favourite whiff punish is by just running at them until they roll once, then i time it to catch their second roll cause Im a kgs main and we are deprived of all whiff punish potential
Us as KGS mains: “whats a wiff punish?”
I loved that tool in DS3 that scanned the ping of you and the invader and kicked either you or the invader out of the game if the ping is over 100ms.
Truly an amazing guide 👍
Great vid rust keep at it mate
Loved your channel, you are a good teacher and the videos are really well made and edited. If you want a suggestion tho, its really hard to find your content, probably because of the titles, i think if you use something more straight forward it would be easier to find it.
I agree that the titles could be a little more… alot more transparent. Its something ive thought about. Good suggestion
I play with mouse and keyboard and doing quick circular rotations when playing with greatspears is was trully nightmare...until you showed me that you can tap block button and make it easier
On a very basic level you can be aggressive in elden ring but it can cost you most players are used to dodging and ability using and parrying but if you can simply master the timing for anything coming at you I mean you can basically do whatever you want unless you’re fighting parry gods they are very annoying
Thank you for the video
Im a scrub and i feel really lost to start pvp in ER
Would be great to round these guides out with guides for caster builds. All of this is very meta focused and it's good to be aware of the hidden and not so apparent intricacies of the various meta and melee builds it's fundamentally relevant to. But how do caster builds respond, i.e. how do they better cope with these advanced tactics and situations? Likewise, how do melee builds respond to caster builds (or, if it's not just simply close-the-distance, apply pressure, and exploit dry-FP situations, are all caster builds obsolete in these highly competitive contexts, is it all just meta)?
Would really be interested to see your take on this.
I agree, i dont think im the right person to present that information though. I dont fight enough competent casters nor play them, because its too much for my two little braincells to manage the multitude of spells.
@@Rust_BKT Don't be so modest, you'll do just fine if your 2 meagre braincells can manage the meta-complexities on show here. It's just a different sort of challenge (handicap?). And who knows, you might actually enjoy it.
Rust, do you have a button setup recommendation? Because I feel that crouch and lock default is pretty bad
8:13 Important to mention that weapon hitboxes are usually much larger than the weapon itself, which can also give the impression that you're getting hit by invisible air even if the latency is low. I think this is one reason why some people feel the PVP is shit even on very low latency.
The fine detail of the weapon hitbox i dont think is the major factor that most players are fighting with. But it is true that the hitboxes arent confined to the dimensions of the weapon. They really arent all that crazy big though. I should make a video at some point about that though. Thx for bringing it up
@@Rust_BKT I think it somewhat matters when compared to pve hotboxes which Fromsoft tries to make very accurate. Fromsoft is more ok with weapon hitboxes being inaccurate for the sake of player charitability.
@@Rust_BKT Then you must have also ignored the hitboxes on a lot of weapons, something like the knights greatsword has the largest hitbox of all greatswords and its highly noticeable there's a reason certain weapons work so well, either status or weapon hitbox range and latency around them.
negative spacing is literally king crimson
good use of steelovsky clips. bro's movement is next level, its his biggest asset imo
I really appreciate this video a lot it’s going to help loads, but it’s incredibly annoying that a person can’t just be good with the intended mechanics of the game and prevail in PvP. This is the only game I’ve ever played where the Tech is so vastly advantageous that you basically NEED it or there’s no way you’re going to win against anybody at endgame level. Even if they ain’t good they can tech you to death lol
The fact that Tech can literally make you untouchable or unpunishable, especially with latency issues is a huge problem
Tech is important and a helpful tool, but it shouldn’t be mandatory because of how huge of an advantage it gives you
Like this PvP needs a huge rebalance lol, but until then (That day will probably never come lol) I’ll learn the shenanigans as they come out
You dont need tech to be untouchable. If you can react roll every attack and never risk a prediction then theres no reason you should ever lose a match. No tech needed. But understanding the mechanics that exist in the game, intended or not, will help your odds. My goal is to make the knowledge more accessible so that anyone who plays the game can learn from a reliable resource
@@Rust_BKT yeah and that’s why I’mma still learn these. The tech I’m talking about in particular is instant ash of war. No start up animation, couple that with light roll and latency and it’s just ridiculous man.
But being able to Instantly use moonveil, Blasphemous blades art, Wave of Destruction etc, with no start up what so ever. There is no prediction. No way of knowing what art they are going to cherry pick from their bag of holding
If you’ve run into it, it’s the closest thing to having a gun in Elden ring you can get
Idk if it’s tech or a glitch but it’s basically just a W button
No reaction time or rolling, prediction anything can help with that. One second they have a spear in hand, then a split second later you’re hit with Moonveil before they even take the weapon out. Stuff like that is why I don’t bother with colosseum or invading
I probably should have lead with that lol, but even if I actually found a video or Reddit post on how to do it Myself like…. Where’s the skill or challenge? I wouldn’t be getting better or learning anything. I’d just be blasting people
I’d just be bringing a shotty to a sword fight
I do see your point and agree with it, but the stuff I mentioned above kinda just defeats the whole purpose of a Souls game Yanno? The challenge
Just broken and unfun
@@dragonoflegend8798 glitch, not a tech, and nothing you can do about it if someone decides to pull it out on you. In all my time invading and dueling, ive only had people use genuine glitches on me like 2 different times, not including IGN exploit, which is like, whatever. Theres bad attitudes from all sides of it though. If you pvp youl get tbagged, pointed down, get hate mail, or whatever, but those dont matter. Because every now and then you meet someone whos really cool and you get a new friend… Insert shonin anime quotes or something here.
my man n00t with the scythe lol
Really solid videos, hope you keep uploading and dive deeper and deeper into the mechanics of the game. There isn't enough in depth educational content out there and these videos are filling that hole up nicely. Especially nice when you talk to the top tier players to get information on the mechanics. Also hoping for a switch to 1080p, 60fps and higher bitrate videos at some point, this channel could become the go-to for this kind of content about Elden Ring.
Yea im on a laptop, making the switch to a desktop will be an expensive investment, but ill get there
man ive been pretty adamant that keyboard and mouse is perfectly fine for these games, but the more i see about higher-ish level pvp the more i feel like im in an uphill battle without a controller. been playing these games too much with keyboard tho, kind of a sunk cost thing here. im not exactly trying to be a master, would rather not deal with the controller learning curve tbh
Alot of the top players that i know are kbm. Check out og1donut on twitch if you want to see a great example
nice video dude, good knowledge.
you forgot to talk about aim punch tho, that i know is not a tecnique, but is something so annoying as input drops.
Aim punch isnt really relevent in a video about movement and spacing. But its definately a good topic to talk about, and ive brought it up in other videos
Input drops were relevant because they are a result of movement
I don't know what half the things he listed at the beginning are, hopefully I understand afterwards 🗿
very good
I think I love you rust bucket. Very good video : )
This video is amazing, it covers so many fundamental mechanics in just 10mins. What's your controller settings though? I noticed you mapped crouch to triangle. Do you play claw grip?
I do, and i think my setup is suboptimal for wavedashing because i cant hold sprint and tap crouch with claw, i have to use my thumb to do both actions. I think backpedals make all of this way easier
Half of this wouldn't exist if the game wasn't poorly designed on the backend and things weren't only peer to peer or if the peer to peer connection ranges were limited, its not even a fundamental mechanic its something the players are forced to work around.
I got clapped so hard today on pvp
I learned and faced another guy I lost to a couple matches before and I spanked him
This gale rewards putting down yiur pride and getting good
What are your controls is crouch on triangle and where is action?
S-Tier content
He encourages people to use the spacing glitch smh 😔😔😔
Cheater confirmed
Amazing vid man! Iam sad though cause no patch and game needs one so much! i😭
I think we were all expecting a patch by march, but i guess dev team is strictly focused on dlc. Luckily we have some amazing community members from the ER PVP discord that are working on a new format of getting through to from development team that had success in the last few patches. Which is awesome, so im hopeful
@@Rust_BKT I hope bro! ER has so much potential,it would be a shame if it was left at a state where it's unenjoyable in some situations!
Imagine desync and latency based PvP, no servers and p2p connection only, no rollback netcode, rolled hits still apply status but no dmg? Even tho the game knows the hit missed, all while locked to 60fps in the year 2022. GOTY material right there....
Yea the netcode is pretty ass. It sucks that no other games in the genre have been able to do it any better.
I'm a pretty new player (87 hours played) to Elden Ring, and especially the PvP. I imagine trying to perform all of these techniques on the default button layout is not practical?
If so, what kind of button layout would you guys recommend?
Honestly just use whatever youre comfortable with. Plenty of people use default, plenty of people use mouse and keyboard. I just swap my jump to L3, thats about it i think
@@Rust_BKT ah I see. Thank you for the info