@@Rust_BKT I've been screaming this point from the rooftops since ER came out! There is so much unnecessary nonsense around lock on and input drops that are a direct result of them trying to weed out lock on animation cancels. They made brand new problems for things that they never had problems with in the past, and for what?
@cheggf k. Estus cancel was not an issue. It was a moderately difficult, timing based tech that even the most skilled practitioners couldn't hit with perfect consistency, with built in risk/reward (aka if you missed it, you're not healing, which is probably devastating), and lent itself to longer ganks and a higher skill floor for top level play. From couldn't have built a more balanced system if they tried. Half the things they did legitimately create are far more broken. Not to mention the fact that they had to destroy 3's fluid, common sense 'lock on to whatever is closest to you' system and incorporate mechanics leading to constant dropped inputs. But hey, at least the lowest common denominator 'players' from DS3 with absolutely no understanding of game mechanics don't have to throw hissy fits anymore because the other guy can do something they refuse to put in the time to learn themselves.
There's another AoW which you can cancel the transition of it. Spinning strikes has three states, the start up, the spinning and the finish. Both start and finish animations are really slow, but the thing is that you can skip the finish part. Sure a lot of AoW can cancel it's animations like his brother wild strikes or black flame tornado by rolling, but spinning strikes has the particularity of being able to do it with a lot of inputs, such as; Rolling, backsteping, crouching, jumping, 1/2 handing it, softswapping, using consumables, blocking, and even casting spells/incantations. If this AoW gets a buff either the hyper armor like his brother or faster animations, it will become really opressive especially for new players.
unfortunate that right now despite the cancel it's still very mediocre outside of catching off guard someone who's in backstab recovery or things like it... i guess we'll see int wo weeks though 👀
@@iota-09 yeah, it's too easy to exploit. You cannot use it to trade, like with wild strikes, because it lacks in hyper armor, both follow ups are really easy to space and punish for how telegraph they are. And of clurse it's slow, really really slow... The good things about spinning strikes is the damage it does and being able to deflect proyectiles.
@@WeeabooPocky or in other words, being useful only in pve. honestly, considering the disadvantage oft the move, it having at leat a tiny bit of hyper armor wouldn't be a bad thing, especially with how it technically is a 2-handed ash of war so it feels odd too htat it doesn't have any. i guess it does run the risk of being op in pve like that but really you'd just need the hyper to trade 1, maybe 2 attacks at full poise and/or with bullgoat (total poise damage of 300 maximum i'd say) and it owuld at least be *AN* option to trade, right now there is no good reason to use it in pve when other ashes of war do the same but better. i guess it IS funny though...
@@putridterrain on pc with our increased latency? hell yeah... ...which is why i'd rather invade than be invaded during dlc drop, there's gonna be lots of "griefers"(chainsaw and tubmlebuffs obvs) but the hosts in general should be fairly honest this time around, likely there's gonna be far less cancer ganks too. plus invading rather than getting invaded means that the likelihood of being spoiled of weapons in later parts of the dlc is lower.
3:19 I believe the window after the un-crouch (for you to be able to crouch attack) is much longer than after the crouch, you can almost do it a few seconds laters compared to after a crouch. Experienced players will already know this, but I'm just saying it so that newer players who read this don't un-crouch and feel forced to attack instantly, you can mix up your timing a tiny bit after un-crouching
No, uncrouch is shorter, specifically when sprinting. Its 6 frames to uncrouch in sprint Edit: you meant in order to attack, my mistake. The window to store a crouch attack is rhe entire duration of the animation, but it cuts short if you do anything in the meantime. Walking for example, will cancel the crouch storage
Great video as always. Some other random tech that can be useful: Flask into throwing dagger cancel Throwing dagger into slicer (gives fast slicer animation, second hit) Ashes of war like sacred blade chilling mist poison mist etc can be cancelled with ledges. Several ashes of war, spells, incantations, consumables, can be used while falling off edges.
I made a comment somewhere but the ravioli step from dark souls 1 is back in elden ring. Doing a neutral dodge, the backstep. Then immidiatley flick the stick in the opposit direction and you will back dodge towards the opponent and then cause use r1 for a running attack animation. If done correctly you can cover INSANE distance really fast. Also in older soul games, I think elden too the neutral back dodge doesn't have as many I frames so you take damage but you poise through attacks so you get a backstab. You be unlocked and press circle and flick your stick and you will now be behind your opponent facing right at their back, ready for a backstab or any attack really.
@@iianmitchelldub Ravioli was in DS3 as well; not sure about DS2 though. I had a blast ravioli stepping after a knockdown with the Greatlance to chase them down with a runner. Of course, that meant my stamina bar was non-existent, but it didn't matter if my opponents were dead lol
Didn't realize you were an old man Rust ,welcome to the club. 😂 Also ts quickstep is perfectly fine setup, even better when used on 200ms + with wifi, if any gamers are planning on trying it out.
I’ve been using block cancels and handy tech on a rl 125 mage build recently I can either swap to a different parry shield or between Lusat’s and Azur’s staff. It’s really useful for going for more dangerous Frame trap set-ups or getting more distance before setting up a Carian piercer. Ever since I watched frosty’s guide I’ve fallen in love with mage builds
Another brilliant video, well explained from top to bottom. So much appreciation for what you do, sir. And I couldn't agree more on QS TS. It's one of those setups that it's great to have on standby for very, very specific situations, but never used otherwise. Maybe pull it out on a super latent hyperarmor crutch or something to that effect.
I use to be really good at PvP in Dark souls 3 but after my concussion and 5 years break from gaming I'm having to relearn it😅 cheers for all your vids mate. They are super useful
6.4k views? Dude this should be way more popular, im sure itll blow up bro! Thie video is explained very well and just overall is very good. TONS of good info. I love shit like this. Ive been hard-core into pvp since demon souls on ps3 and dark souls 1 was prolly my favorite. If your a OG im sure you will remember the toggle switch to get out of stunlock, ravioli step. Using the backstep while simultaneously flicking the stick in the opposite direction to gain a lot of distance and use a running attack. Using wrath of the gods while unlocked facing away from your opponent. Same would work with zweihander and other weapons. If you parry with a katanna you csn get a L1 attack and THEN get your parry in. Last one i can think of is when you had 45 DEX it would increase your casting speed. Not sure if these are all still a thing but im like 90 percent sure you csn still do the ravioli step i love doing it. Awesome video bro!
Wild to think I'd actually performed a fast goods cancel on accident before. I was doing a Tongue run and got invaded on the final steps of the Auriza Hero's Grave, and I baited my opponent in with the first part of Bloodhound's Finesse. They were mid-stagger, and I tossed some fan daggers to score a headshot into delayed R2 rollcatch. It was one of my favourite kills during that run, mainly because seeing BHF makes so many invaders turn their brains off and get complacent. Feels good to be one of the good BHF users :-) Also, around 12:23, that cancel is necessary to pull off the Leyndell elevator skip! Always nice to see more mathematical explanation for my favourite glitch, hahaha!!
Nioh only let you cancel hitstun by guarding. In the short window where it had pvp, it was really satisfying to time a guardbreak out of someones hitstun
Hi Rust, your videos are super informative and it helps give me a glimpse of high level play. I was wondering how you felt about the current meta game in ER and if the lack of weapon and build variety is something that bugs you at all. Thanks!
Idk, i see a very wide variety of meta tbh. Psss, pss, psgs, sham, ts, claws, fists, tb, halx. Theres quite alot that falls into A/S tier type of category. I think it makes sense that you start to see alot of the same armors or a specific weapon used for one weapon class, but like in the case of straight swords, nobles, carians, and codeds all are seen as top tier for the weapon class. People will optimize how they can because some of us find that fun. Sure ur not gunna see alot of hammers and axes running around but for one thing, they feel like shit to play with. I really dont think theres a very narrow margin of diversity amongst meta, even in the competitive scene.
small technical note rust: 4k does nothing during heavy motion stuff like duels, it's a encoding or recording issue where there will always be artifacting. meaning you might as well upload in 1080p only unless you also improve the inherent video quality. that being said, good af video, didn't know about the backstep cancels and more importantly that crouch cancel worked on pivot too
Hey thanks for letting me know. I always just converted to 4k when i render just incase. But yea the original quality is ass cuz laptop things. Cant polish a turd.
Can the running heavy on a UGS do the true combo with the throwing daggers? It's an overhead slam and should have good hit-stun so logically it should be possible?
Probably not, cuz its a level 3 hitstun instead of level 2, so it has a different stun animation, but maybe, would be cool to test. Its just a really high commitment attack
The handy tech for straight sword soft swap can it be done with either hand, like can you soft swap left hand weapon? For the colossal sword crouch cancel, while the attack frames are playing you hold sprint and turn when it ends then crouch?
Yea you can do either hand, i prefer to do the left hand because i have a dagger on my second slot right hand. And yea for all of these i never really let go of sprint. If you arent holding sprint during your attack, and try to hold sprint while youre still in animation, it will make you do a backstep, so i just dont let go
Is there any tech regarding blocking backsteps? One of the new features in elden ring is the ability to backstep with your guard up (and guarding while backstepping), but that makes me wonder how this works with the discrepancy between blockcancel and backstep cancel. Can you cancel the fine crucible backstep s into a block for a sexy deflecttear perfect block?
Very interesting! I wasn't aware of this issue with quickstep thrusting swords. As a more casual player, the issue that I saw with it was resolved (i.e., the IGN idiots). I need to try practicing these, as the vanilla mechanics skill curve in this game is basically non-existent. You really need tech and hard swaps or there's basically no skill curve at all.
Something ive seen some other content creators do in invasions is when they drink a flask they lock on like a pivot cancel but then they throw fan daggers afterwards and it seems like it shortens the animation but im not a hundred percent sure, do you know if its a thing or am i just goofy?
Make a video on the neutral stab r2 of the cinquedea and a couple other knifes, they have legit 6 startup frames pretty sure, are lightning fast and deal insane damage. Hard to read aswell
I'm sure its not complicated, but what are the key ones to use in pvp and how would you practice them? I use mostly Caestus, or serpentbone blade with offhanded pike both are theme builds.
If you watch how i play in the clips, im genuinely using all of them, all of the time. I think theyre all really important. Youll crouch cancel more with powerstanced or one handed setups and youll block cancel more with 2handed setups, but tahts the only real distinction
@Rust_BKT I'm just older now so I only play casually these days, leaves little time to learn all the tricks and such like I could back in DS2 and 3. I was going to practice the handy tech at least, just not a lot of friends still game these days so my options are limited lol. I hold sprint, then r1, and switch after I attack? I watched frosties video as well.
depends on the setup youre using and what your goal is. Youll see me crouch canceling with the knights greatsword alot because the crouch attack is harder to react to and gives you the headshot combo if you land it right. so while both block canceling and crouch canceling work for that weapon, you get more out of crouch canceling.
Im just incorporating all of these cancels as im moving, watch closely and youll see im constantly shifting throuch crouch, blocking, or greasing as i move
as a non bhs using chad, i somehow always knew about that cancel. lowtier shitters with powerstanced point infused antspurs would just spam L1/R1 and bhs nonstop, makes me wanna kms. then recently ive noticed and increase of fingerprint+blood infused godskin stitcher with bhs shitters starting to appear. i could never punish their bullshit, now i know why. now i know how to make them suffer like i did.
@@JTarnished absolutely, if you watch any speedrunners or challenge runners, they use all of these rather frequently. If its to crouch cancel after downing a boss in order to riposte them faster or handy teching to get out of range of an attack faster, or even just using the fall cancel with the bow at the very start of the game
erm, people with cross nagis arent really doing much of any of these. they done benefit alot from crouch or block canceling, and most of the poeple that use them dont know how to handy tech. nagis just have a lot of range so theyre hard to figure out the spacing on.
Not my geriatric ass slowing the playback speed to .25x to even see what's being narrated on the screen... ::squints eyes:: "...just as i thought...fucking bullshit..." ::shakes fist at screen::
Hey Rust... here to trigger your low quality audience by stating factually that animation cancles are cheating just like hardswapping or having high ping.
Now that i know this, part of the pvp experience is ruined for me. Like wtf is all this sh*t. How have i never seen this before in my 400 hours of elden ring. Its so crazy.
I dunno what you mean about your experience being ruined, but if it wasnt obvious by the way the lore is written, fromsoft loves making things as vague as possible, and leaves it up to us, the players to figure shit out
@@Rust_BKT Nah i think he probably lost interest because this upper teir of online play isnt really apealing at all.... Dashing around everywhere, breaking animations looks about as goofy as upper teir online mount and blade combat lmao...
pvp sux in in this game. per to per connection. abbbusing dodge frames, no rewards like alrvar tears, no leaderboard, no factions... and when u wait to get invasion or arena u wait in dead zone with 0 players and npc . what a outdated game Miyazaki made. and now he want us to spend more money. what a joke. the game sux
there will always be techs like these and to be honest, without them the game will feel a lil ore boring on a competitive level. as rust put it, at least with vids like this -and as well put as his i might add, where the points are conveyed fast but very clearly, and usually i have an issue udnerstanding things without looking more in detail mind you- the gap is actually made tighter as the information becomes accessible to new players as well... not like old days fgc techs where only the top players had access to tech knowledge.
What a brain dead take. Videos like these are the only reason the average player has a chance - they can be taught what they wouldn’t have figured out. The gap between the best and average got smaller, it just got bigger for you because you refused to learn. Something about “git gud”?
Okay I almost had a heart attack I thought ds3 estus canceling is back
I almost climaxed and released millions of lives from my sack
I wish, half the input drops we get are because of how they patched estus cancel 😩
@@Rust_BKT I've been screaming this point from the rooftops since ER came out! There is so much unnecessary nonsense around lock on and input drops that are a direct result of them trying to weed out lock on animation cancels. They made brand new problems for things that they never had problems with in the past, and for what?
@@joshuathompson2404 Because you aren't supposed to be able to heal with no commitment?
@cheggf k. Estus cancel was not an issue. It was a moderately difficult, timing based tech that even the most skilled practitioners couldn't hit with perfect consistency, with built in risk/reward (aka if you missed it, you're not healing, which is probably devastating), and lent itself to longer ganks and a higher skill floor for top level play. From couldn't have built a more balanced system if they tried. Half the things they did legitimately create are far more broken. Not to mention the fact that they had to destroy 3's fluid, common sense 'lock on to whatever is closest to you' system and incorporate mechanics leading to constant dropped inputs. But hey, at least the lowest common denominator 'players' from DS3 with absolutely no understanding of game mechanics don't have to throw hissy fits anymore because the other guy can do something they refuse to put in the time to learn themselves.
legit nothin my poor old ass hands can do against a 200mg loaded 16yo
There's another AoW which you can cancel the transition of it.
Spinning strikes has three states, the start up, the spinning and the finish.
Both start and finish animations are really slow, but the thing is that you can skip the finish part.
Sure a lot of AoW can cancel it's animations like his brother wild strikes or black flame tornado by rolling, but spinning strikes has the particularity of being able to do it with a lot of inputs, such as;
Rolling, backsteping, crouching, jumping, 1/2 handing it, softswapping, using consumables, blocking, and even casting spells/incantations.
If this AoW gets a buff either the hyper armor like his brother or faster animations, it will become really opressive especially for new players.
Good to know. I love Spinning Strikes.
unfortunate that right now despite the cancel it's still very mediocre outside of catching off guard someone who's in backstab recovery or things like it...
i guess we'll see int wo weeks though 👀
@@iota-09 yeah, it's too easy to exploit. You cannot use it to trade, like with wild strikes, because it lacks in hyper armor, both follow ups are really easy to space and punish for how telegraph they are.
And of clurse it's slow, really really slow...
The good things about spinning strikes is the damage it does and being able to deflect proyectiles.
@@WeeabooPocky or in other words, being useful only in pve.
honestly, considering the disadvantage oft the move, it having at leat a tiny bit of hyper armor wouldn't be a bad thing, especially with how it technically is a 2-handed ash of war so it feels odd too htat it doesn't have any.
i guess it does run the risk of being op in pve like that but really you'd just need the hyper to trade 1, maybe 2 attacks at full poise and/or with bullgoat (total poise damage of 300 maximum i'd say) and it owuld at least be *AN* option to trade, right now there is no good reason to use it in pve when other ashes of war do the same but better.
i guess it IS funny though...
Joining the 30's club soon huh? Happy early Birthday! Glad we have you making such helpful vids bro
will be playing full pvp run once dlc drops, tysm for ur video and your work
Good luck it’s a pretty toxic experience
@@putridterraintoxicity is what makes it fun
@@letrashcan6239 you’re right lol
@@putridterrain already did it twice brother, I just love pvp and pve combined , but I also understand , chaos it's not for everyone.
@@putridterrain on pc with our increased latency? hell yeah...
...which is why i'd rather invade than be invaded during dlc drop, there's gonna be lots of "griefers"(chainsaw and tubmlebuffs obvs) but the hosts in general should be fairly honest this time around, likely there's gonna be far less cancer ganks too.
plus invading rather than getting invaded means that the likelihood of being spoiled of weapons in later parts of the dlc is lower.
Im so glad you're back dude. The best PvP information broken down so well even my dumb butt can grasp it.
that quickstep video really was a beautiful way to summarize it.
3:19 I believe the window after the un-crouch (for you to be able to crouch attack) is much longer than after the crouch, you can almost do it a few seconds laters compared to after a crouch.
Experienced players will already know this, but I'm just saying it so that newer players who read this don't un-crouch and feel forced to attack instantly, you can mix up your timing a tiny bit after un-crouching
No, uncrouch is shorter, specifically when sprinting. Its 6 frames to uncrouch in sprint
Edit: you meant in order to attack, my mistake. The window to store a crouch attack is rhe entire duration of the animation, but it cuts short if you do anything in the meantime. Walking for example, will cancel the crouch storage
Thank you. This video doubled my ds3 estoc ptsd and gave it to the next person
Great video as always.
Some other random tech that can be useful:
Flask into throwing dagger cancel
Throwing dagger into slicer (gives fast slicer animation, second hit)
Ashes of war like sacred blade chilling mist poison mist etc can be cancelled with ledges.
Several ashes of war, spells, incantations, consumables, can be used while falling off edges.
I made a comment somewhere but the ravioli step from dark souls 1 is back in elden ring. Doing a neutral dodge, the backstep. Then immidiatley flick the stick in the opposit direction and you will back dodge towards the opponent and then cause use r1 for a running attack animation. If done correctly you can cover INSANE distance really fast. Also in older soul games, I think elden too the neutral back dodge doesn't have as many I frames so you take damage but you poise through attacks so you get a backstab. You be unlocked and press circle and flick your stick and you will now be behind your opponent facing right at their back, ready for a backstab or any attack really.
@@iianmitchelldub Ravioli was in DS3 as well; not sure about DS2 though. I had a blast ravioli stepping after a knockdown with the Greatlance to chase them down with a runner. Of course, that meant my stamina bar was non-existent, but it didn't matter if my opponents were dead lol
Ive been trying to get alot better in pvp in general and im glad i stumbled across this channel man 🤘🏼
Hey rust, its been a while since ive done some pvp. Your guides have been very helpful for refreshing my memory and, well, derusting. Tysm
Thanks for another great video as usual Rust. Your videos have helped me a lot to get into and enjoy the intricacies to ER's PvP.
Didn't realize you were an old man Rust ,welcome to the club. 😂
Also ts quickstep is perfectly fine setup, even better when used on 200ms + with wifi, if any gamers are planning on trying it out.
I’ve been using block cancels and handy tech on a rl 125 mage build recently I can either swap to a different parry shield or between Lusat’s and Azur’s staff. It’s really useful for going for more dangerous Frame trap set-ups or getting more distance before setting up a Carian piercer. Ever since I watched frosty’s guide I’ve fallen in love with mage builds
Another brilliant video, well explained from top to bottom. So much appreciation for what you do, sir. And I couldn't agree more on QS TS. It's one of those setups that it's great to have on standby for very, very specific situations, but never used otherwise. Maybe pull it out on a super latent hyperarmor crutch or something to that effect.
I use to be really good at PvP in Dark souls 3 but after my concussion and 5 years break from gaming I'm having to relearn it😅 cheers for all your vids mate. They are super useful
6.4k views? Dude this should be way more popular, im sure itll blow up bro! Thie video is explained very well and just overall is very good. TONS of good info. I love shit like this. Ive been hard-core into pvp since demon souls on ps3 and dark souls 1 was prolly my favorite. If your a OG im sure you will remember the toggle switch to get out of stunlock, ravioli step. Using the backstep while simultaneously flicking the stick in the opposite direction to gain a lot of distance and use a running attack. Using wrath of the gods while unlocked facing away from your opponent. Same would work with zweihander and other weapons. If you parry with a katanna you csn get a L1 attack and THEN get your parry in. Last one i can think of is when you had 45 DEX it would increase your casting speed. Not sure if these are all still a thing but im like 90 percent sure you csn still do the ravioli step i love doing it. Awesome video bro!
Wild to think I'd actually performed a fast goods cancel on accident before. I was doing a Tongue run and got invaded on the final steps of the Auriza Hero's Grave, and I baited my opponent in with the first part of Bloodhound's Finesse. They were mid-stagger, and I tossed some fan daggers to score a headshot into delayed R2 rollcatch. It was one of my favourite kills during that run, mainly because seeing BHF makes so many invaders turn their brains off and get complacent. Feels good to be one of the good BHF users :-)
Also, around 12:23, that cancel is necessary to pull off the Leyndell elevator skip! Always nice to see more mathematical explanation for my favourite glitch, hahaha!!
6:50 I did not know that, that’s huge Thanks!
Your content is always helpful to me. I’ve learned a lot in the few months I’ve been subbed. Also, appreciate the gate kept community intel lol
Just knowing Block cancels made Lies of P so much more fun to play, you can cancel out of so many attack recoveries in that game too.
Nioh only let you cancel hitstun by guarding. In the short window where it had pvp, it was really satisfying to time a guardbreak out of someones hitstun
So grateful for your videos. They’re incredibly good and informative. 🤙🏻
Hi Rust, your videos are super informative and it helps give me a glimpse of high level play. I was wondering how you felt about the current meta game in ER and if the lack of weapon and build variety is something that bugs you at all.
Thanks!
Idk, i see a very wide variety of meta tbh. Psss, pss, psgs, sham, ts, claws, fists, tb, halx. Theres quite alot that falls into A/S tier type of category. I think it makes sense that you start to see alot of the same armors or a specific weapon used for one weapon class, but like in the case of straight swords, nobles, carians, and codeds all are seen as top tier for the weapon class. People will optimize how they can because some of us find that fun. Sure ur not gunna see alot of hammers and axes running around but for one thing, they feel like shit to play with. I really dont think theres a very narrow margin of diversity amongst meta, even in the competitive scene.
Now this is the nerdy shit that I pay internet bills for.
Great vid Rust! Im glad I could be a laggy training dummy for you sir 😸
Amazing as always!
some good informative stuff, great video Rust
Definitely something I need to get better at thank you for this very helpful!
It took me a few videos but im starting to understand all the complicated cheese tactics in pvp lol.
small technical note rust: 4k does nothing during heavy motion stuff like duels, it's a encoding or recording issue where there will always be artifacting.
meaning you might as well upload in 1080p only unless you also improve the inherent video quality.
that being said, good af video, didn't know about the backstep cancels and more importantly that crouch cancel worked on pivot too
Hey thanks for letting me know. I always just converted to 4k when i render just incase. But yea the original quality is ass cuz laptop things. Cant polish a turd.
@@Rust_BKT feelin that man😔
@@Rust_BKT Your turds have diamonds in them. It evens out. 😘
13:24 artistic foreshadowing
Can the running heavy on a UGS do the true combo with the throwing daggers? It's an overhead slam and should have good hit-stun so logically it should be possible?
Probably not, cuz its a level 3 hitstun instead of level 2, so it has a different stun animation, but maybe, would be cool to test. Its just a really high commitment attack
it does work with the crouch R1, sort of(not as consistent but does have priority at least), so maybe yes.
The handy tech for straight sword soft swap can it be done with either hand, like can you soft swap left hand weapon? For the colossal sword crouch cancel, while the attack frames are playing you hold sprint and turn when it ends then crouch?
Yea you can do either hand, i prefer to do the left hand because i have a dagger on my second slot right hand. And yea for all of these i never really let go of sprint. If you arent holding sprint during your attack, and try to hold sprint while youre still in animation, it will make you do a backstep, so i just dont let go
Is there any tech regarding blocking backsteps? One of the new features in elden ring is the ability to backstep with your guard up (and guarding while backstepping), but that makes me wonder how this works with the discrepancy between blockcancel and backstep cancel. Can you cancel the fine crucible backstep s into a block for a sexy deflecttear perfect block?
Yea, watch the video on backstep s, its complicated, too long to explain here
What's the best way to animation cancel big slow weapons where you have a shield? I find attacking takes too long to get back into guarding.
No gate blocking. Rusty is a good guy guys. I hope we can collaborate one day!
Anecdotal but when strafing for a bs, a well-timed handy tech also seems to buffer the backstab
Very interesting! I wasn't aware of this issue with quickstep thrusting swords. As a more casual player, the issue that I saw with it was resolved (i.e., the IGN idiots). I need to try practicing these, as the vanilla mechanics skill curve in this game is basically non-existent. You really need tech and hard swaps or there's basically no skill curve at all.
Do you use manual attack aiming when locked on? Or just the normal setting?
Iirc it doesnt actually change anything in ER. It worked in ds3, but its just borked here
What RL do you primarily play at?
Something ive seen some other content creators do in invasions is when they drink a flask they lock on like a pivot cancel but then they throw fan daggers afterwards and it seems like it shortens the animation but im not a hundred percent sure, do you know if its a thing or am i just goofy?
I'm here for that 'weird shit'
Goat uploadeddddddd
Make a video on the neutral stab r2 of the cinquedea and a couple other knifes, they have legit 6 startup frames pretty sure, are lightning fast and deal insane damage. Hard to read aswell
Is there a list of fast ashes of war?
There is, im trying to remember where the heck it is, ill revisit this if i can remember
replying so i can also see if u remember
Rust bro every vid is full of info
I'm sure its not complicated, but what are the key ones to use in pvp and how would you practice them? I use mostly Caestus, or serpentbone blade with offhanded pike both are theme builds.
If you watch how i play in the clips, im genuinely using all of them, all of the time. I think theyre all really important. Youll crouch cancel more with powerstanced or one handed setups and youll block cancel more with 2handed setups, but tahts the only real distinction
@Rust_BKT I'm just older now so I only play casually these days, leaves little time to learn all the tricks and such like I could back in DS2 and 3. I was going to practice the handy tech at least, just not a lot of friends still game these days so my options are limited lol.
I hold sprint, then r1, and switch after I attack? I watched frosties video as well.
Is is right to use guard animation cancel rather than crouch cancel due to additional transition animation frames of the latter?
depends on the setup youre using and what your goal is. Youll see me crouch canceling with the knights greatsword alot because the crouch attack is harder to react to and gives you the headshot combo if you land it right. so while both block canceling and crouch canceling work for that weapon, you get more out of crouch canceling.
What are headshots? What advantage do they give?
Hit someone in the head with a throwing dagger or arrow puts them in a special stagger animation
@@Rust_BKT thanks, and what level of hitstun?
@@Er1kth3b00s If I'm not mistaken, it's damage level 3.
Did he say "all timers"?
When will the bustiest rucket show up in tournies more often?
oh btw you accidentally did a full bow animation at 15:48
19:47
I might be stupid for asking but whats the tech behind ur movements, your character looks so fast while moving, is there a trick to it ?
Im just incorporating all of these cancels as im moving, watch closely and youll see im constantly shifting throuch crouch, blocking, or greasing as i move
@@Rust_BKT ahhhhh i see now, thx for the reply !
as a non bhs using chad, i somehow always knew about that cancel. lowtier shitters with powerstanced point infused antspurs would just spam L1/R1 and bhs nonstop, makes me wanna kms. then recently ive noticed and increase of fingerprint+blood infused godskin stitcher with bhs shitters starting to appear. i could never punish their bullshit, now i know why. now i know how to make them suffer like i did.
are the cancele useful for pve?
@@JTarnished absolutely, if you watch any speedrunners or challenge runners, they use all of these rather frequently. If its to crouch cancel after downing a boss in order to riposte them faster or handy teching to get out of range of an attack faster, or even just using the fall cancel with the bow at the very start of the game
banger vid
So this is what those people dual wielding cross naginatas are doing. I cant even react its so fast.
erm, people with cross nagis arent really doing much of any of these. they done benefit alot from crouch or block canceling, and most of the poeple that use them dont know how to handy tech. nagis just have a lot of range so theyre hard to figure out the spacing on.
beast!!
I really wish this game had first-person PVP servers with manual aim. It just looks so silly in third-person with all the rolling and spinning.
Sounds like youd really like Dark and Darker
@@Rust_BKT never heard of it. Thanks for the heads up.
Instructions unclear, i accidentally cancel a culture
Not my geriatric ass slowing the playback speed to .25x to even see what's being narrated on the screen...
::squints eyes::
"...just as i thought...fucking bullshit..."
::shakes fist at screen::
Is this still legitimate?
@@Twitchy-l1u yes
Lovely
I think im kinda disappointed by the super amor hype from last video. It did not work
My brain..
Trust me, i understand
It was 999 likes so I made it 1000😂❤ you welcome
Lol think i just beat someone trying to impersonate you in colosseum. Must be tryna learn your teachings
No, that was me, we have 220 ms
Meanwhile while I turn almost 40 tomorrow -_-
gotedd
Is that science or the game? xD
i cant believe my shitty estus cancel made it into a bust rucket vid. now give me credit or i sue
@@mudkippl was that u that found crouch chug??
@@Rust_BKT yea
@@mudkippl goat
+rep
oh great, now when gankers start using quickstep cleanrots i can point the finger at Rust.
Hey Rust... here to trigger your low quality audience by stating factually that animation cancles are cheating just like hardswapping or having high ping.
i hecking love cheating. particularly cheat meals, those are the best kinds of cheats imo
@Rust_BKT i just weigh 69kg because I am a superior life.
Go play FOR HONOR
@@bathwagnerdumblestephens8951 no u
Now that i know this, part of the pvp experience is ruined for me. Like wtf is all this sh*t. How have i never seen this before in my 400 hours of elden ring. Its so crazy.
I dunno what you mean about your experience being ruined, but if it wasnt obvious by the way the lore is written, fromsoft loves making things as vague as possible, and leaves it up to us, the players to figure shit out
@@Rust_BKT Nah i think he probably lost interest because this upper teir of online play isnt really apealing at all.... Dashing around everywhere, breaking animations looks about as goofy as upper teir online mount and blade combat lmao...
pvp sux in in this game. per to per connection. abbbusing dodge frames, no rewards like alrvar tears, no leaderboard, no factions... and when u wait to get invasion or arena u wait in dead zone with 0 players and npc . what a outdated game Miyazaki made. and now he want us to spend more money. what a joke. the game sux
This is a beautiful copypasta, im keeping this, thank you
@@Rust_BKT np
So basically all pvp in elden is just run like weirdos and abuse of frames 🤦♂️
If you call clicking buttons “abuse” then i suggest you see a therapist
one more tech to increase the gap between vets and new players.
PvP will be so dead
One more video to help new players rise up to the challenge
there will always be techs like these and to be honest, without them the game will feel a lil ore boring on a competitive level.
as rust put it, at least with vids like this -and as well put as his i might add, where the points are conveyed fast but very clearly, and usually i have an issue udnerstanding things without looking more in detail mind you- the gap is actually made tighter as the information becomes accessible to new players as well... not like old days fgc techs where only the top players had access to tech knowledge.
What a brain dead take. Videos like these are the only reason the average player has a chance - they can be taught what they wouldn’t have figured out. The gap between the best and average got smaller, it just got bigger for you because you refused to learn. Something about “git gud”?
Why not play a fighting game at this point?
u tryina gate keep ER or smthn? whatchu on about