Men and women after
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2018
- Earlier this summer, a group of women released a film where they apologised to men for how they had treated them. The film went viral, with hundreds of thousands of views. It also sparked polarised reactions - both for and against: • From Women To Men
The creator of the film was conflict resolution expert Dr Hanna Milling. Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller sat down with Hanna, and contributors to the film Ilan Stefani and Stefana Bosse to ask them about the process of making the film and the reaction it has created.
In the film, Dr Milling called for a new dialogue between men and women. Hanna, David, Ilan and therapist Rafia Morgan attempted a new form of conversation: • Men and women after #m...
This is part of a series, 'Men and Women After #Metoo', which includes an exclusive interview with Warren Farrell: • 'Men and women after #...
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At one point in the video they said if men could heal then they could truly treat women like goddesses. Ignoring the narcissistic motivations let's get to the point here. How do women actually react when you treat them like a goddess? I think we all know what the answer is to that one fellas.
Quickest way to punish a woman is to give her what she wants.
Post wallers trying to survive their own gynocentrism. Moving on gone fishing.
Ha ha. So good mate.
I should have shut this off after seeing the first section of her film. I would have thought better of the world and continued on. Unfortunately I stayed to listen to the womyn's reasons for participating in the film -
Narcissistic psycho-babble, cursory self examination that never strays too far from 'I am a goddess', 'love is everything' or 'I own my shit'. The boilerplate apologies, for stereotypical transgressions, come across as broadcasting virtue instead of contributing experience."If I ever did you wrong in any way"... - that's so non committal its almost 3rd person. Too easy, empty gesture.
One woman, who's veiled compliment to her own greatness, comes through as "sorry for the mixed messages" 'I make you want it and then I get mad when that's all you want.". Yeah, poor us, LOL! Pure projection, pure delusion.
Everything marinating in stereotypes too - men can't feel, can't express themselves, are desperately needy for womyn and are steeped in toxic masculinity. Its delusion, you can't have personal growth interacting with the world through a lens of negative stereotypes and false assumptions, obviously.
So the apologies end up seeming disingenuous, (pompous, condescending, trite, petulant) whether its meant to be or not. Just another yoga pose. Will womyn ever get tired of patting themselves on the back?
As a man I was never led to believe that "sorry" is enough. If I created a mess of any kind, I knew it was my burden to clean it up. I dare not profess that all men are like this, but irresponsible men usually dont have a father in their life. That said, I have never in my 43 years dated an accountable women. It's almost like they cannot see the long-term chain reaction.
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it is almost like we cannot believe those words of "Sorry" from women, even though we wanted to believe it, because we as men are in the middle since for us nothing has changed or maybe changing when all men are leaving women but yes there are still women who are really good with men.
Breaking the cycle of blame by either gender can only come when heartfelt discussions such as these prevail. RW is my favorite channel for finding a way to heal the rift we have created, encouraged by many self serving entities.
I don't believe anything that comes out of a women mouth and the actions are what I look at.
I was emotionally and mentally abused by my ex. I then started seeing the whole movement of women hating men start to rise and then led me to pursue a more masculine approach to life. I then realized that I had to address how my problems which led up to this point and to take ownership of my own sin. From this point on, Love and Forgiveness is the only way. Thank you for sharing this.
Have you seen the southpark episode with a BP spokesman saying we're sorry. That got stuck in my head watching this.
Why it sounds shallow and manipulative is because the message is addressed to men, not women. The shadow stuff is just more narcissism, which is part of the problem to start with. In any case, it has gone way past this type of self-help thing, it is now political and laws need to be changed, quite simply. Anything else is too little. That is the only discussion worth having. Talking about the feelings and grandstanding of abusers is simply sick. So great, take responsibility and fight for justice now. That is what a true apology means, otherwise it is simply more of the same. The action needs to stop, and it is obvious in the video that those are very shallow apologies to boot, with no real personal involvement. That is how psychopaths operate, they will apologize and get upset if those are not believed, which is what we saw here. Those are shallow emotions and not meant in any way, unless real change happens. It will happen whether they like it or not, but it is nice to know they like it. Makes no difference.
The wounds cannot heal, until the blade is withdrawn
Anyway, the fish have spent 52 years teaching this bicycle that he is unwanted
The bicycle no longer wants the fish, and the environment fish have created, is toxic to bicycles
funny how it is really only women allowed to talk about relationship dynamics, funny how the claim is women bring and discuss both sides, female and male prospective, except of course only one side is allowed to talk..
When men get involves with women, he is more likely end up in jail or prison. More likely to lose his kids, wage and his belongings. All could be lost over nothing. Only the bravest and ignorance of men dare embarking on the path of marriage or ltr.
these women are still full of it ,something in my mind says not to believe them all staged unfortunately .
The hardest thing to do in any relationship is to get back trust once it is lost. Men dont trust women anymore. And just saying I am sorry wont fix it. It is going to take a long time for men to trust you again if ever.
yes, men who have been hurt by woman have a hard time trusting other women. women who have been hurt by men have trouble trusting other men. wisdom comes from learning to give the benefit of the doubt while also keeping healthy boundaries and defending them. this tends to weed out a lot of users and abusers.
The damage is done. Men not mad or hate women they just walking away from women and going there on way. Its the safest thing to do for men
To run away from problems can be safest thing to do, but it's not the healthier or the most satisfying thing to do.
@@Lexrezende Some could argue that walking away from things where the cons outweigh the pros is more beneficial. They may not be psychologists but knowing one’s limits can be necessary and I wouldn’t ascribe that as neglecting human needs.
@@petestipe7480 Well, I doubt they are psychologists, at least good psychologists.
@@petestipe7480 Human needs can't be neglected.
It’s safer this way and the damage done is evident in the declining birth rates. Not sure why it’s so controversial to address/avoid the pitfalls that feminism created. We can’t solve every single problem (some problems are beyond the point of fixing).
"...between the 'genders'"? You mean between the sexes? There are two.
Words are nice. Actual actions would be better. Men need to look beyond what women say and look at what they actually do.
thank you Rebel Wisdom for posting this, I’ll have to look for this movie.
These are some very wise women, pity the mainstream won't pick up anytime soon. Not that it matters really, it's too late.
Corporate media is committed to "divide and conquer" strategies upon the Left and the Right; that's why they run with things like metoo, and elevate the juvenile elements and harm the transcendent elements.
no they are not its called a backlash and they feel the heat suck it up.
They've hit the wall. It's easy to "wise up" when you've squandered your value and have nothing left.
They haven't wised up. They're just desperate.
Just listen to the woman at the 19:15 mark. She exposes that this is all bullshit. She expects saying sorry to make it all better and if you don't like it, tough shit.
No effort to change the laws or actually right what's been wrong.
Typical narcissistic women. Think just spewing out a half hearted sorry makes it all better. They really don't have a clue what they've done or how damaging it really is.
They're just sort they hit the wall and men don't want them anymore.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until I saw that part.
Thanks for that conversation. When #metoo was rampant I found little sympathy with men and women among my friends when I talked about the missing piece: the responsibility of us women for our behaviour towards men and for the possible consequences of what we are doing. It is so much easier to blame others for our suffering, playing the victims even then when we have heavily contributed to the outcome. It is not "political correct" to look for a complete picture instead of reversing guilt and shame on only one side of the participants.
I scare to shake woman hand in workplace after #metoo
Where can a man say he loves being a man and that masculinity isn't toxic? How could these women not of heard of MRM or MGTOW and yet were aware of these issues between the sexes? Doesn't make much sense.. what research did they do if they only became aware of these movements and lifestyles from the comments section?
Meh, most of this stuff is fairly irrelevant to me as i'm a somewhat fugly gimp. So for the most part the only females i interact with are standing behind a cash. Watching from the sidelines as western civilization sets itself on fire is both amusing and sad.
Most of us are NOT hurting each other. So let's recognize that we are generally respectful of each other, hence cooperation, and copulation, for eons.
19:15 the reason we no longer respect or value women. Listen to the arrogance.
Wtf. "Leave or take it". I'm from Brazil and this is horrible. The law, court, and false accsution is out there. This word of sorry and " leave or take it". It's over.
@@albertotosetto5089 The video was supposed to be about an apology to men but all they did was talk about themselves. Making themselves feel better was more important than anything else. Solipsism at it's finest. American, Brazilian, European, Asian, they are all the same. Ignore them and invest in yourselves, gentlemen. Life is beautiful.
@@realeyesrealizereallies99 you are rigth
None of these people strike me to be in any way timid or to have the dreaded 'internalised misogyny'. Well done for being brave enough to speak your opinion in the current climate - I hope it helps move the conversation on in a more positive way.
I appreciate your apology but the damages has been done. I don't know if these wounds will ever heal, if can ever trust you again. The risk of trusting you is way too great, trusting you I risk my job, my lively hood, my good name , my honour, my freedom, my life.
All that can be lost with one word from women, one lie, one misunderstanding, one accusation.
I'm sorry to say, once the trust is broken, it is very different to return back to what it was.
Take it or leave it. Recovery from breach of trust as difficult as recovery from betrayal from your best friend. Those wounds will have scar tissue at best, but in most cases it is an amputation.
In closing of this post, I sincerely wish you have a nice life.
May God have mercy on all of our souls, for we have mortally sinned.
Wow this comment is very deep and I'm being serious. I like this comment a lot.
@@MillennialMonk Agree with you 100% Millennial Monk
...Raven22at as nailed it 100% and I too, can relate to even word that he as spoken ...I have been purposely and aggressively remained single for 15 years now...And while I abode and work in a western country I will purposely and aggressively remain single till the day I die.
I've got a film for you: the red pill by Cassie Jay
You should watch the interview she did with Rebel Wisdom!
@Mad Max you mean Cassie Jaye? She isn't fat, isn't Australian, is probably the most beautiful (ex-)feminist that I've ever seen (there's nothing wrong with her mouth, that's for sure). But some Australians sure did everything to ruin her Red Pill screenings in their country.
Also, she has been mentioned in this snippet here.
Mgtow
I moved from the west and went to live in Asia where women are still traditional I am finished with western wamans who just complain about nothing, I have will never have anything to do with western women again
''...I have will never have anything to do with western women again... That makes two of us than Peter ...I haven't touched a western woman/Feminist for over 15 years now and till the day I die I will never touch a western woman/Feminist...Hell, I am even sexually repulsed by all of them.
all the wamans in this movie seem to have hit the wall and are now asking " where are all the good men gone ,come back we need you". and as for us men we have give up on you and we are not coming back.
That's what makes it so great. It's easy to reject the advances of post wall women because now they truly have nothing to offer. Zero temptation.
Actions have consequences and one thing you can NEVER get back is time.
I am a woman - no way this is too early, this message is very much needed at this exact time...no point is too early to tell the truth, to face the truth. This shows the two sides of the same coin. It is wonderful and worthy of celebration!
Metoo has backfired and women realise it hurt them?Well, this is what they wanted.To be like men and to men stop talking to you."Ha,got ya"
Hi, Folks.
I don’t know how many women spoke in this video and it is not important. What is important are TWO things:
1. That these women said what they said, whether they ‘ackshully’ meant it or not, ‘cos it IS food for thought and you can not have a thought without that thought changing you to at least some small degree. Whether positively or negatively is YOUR choice, governed by how you think.
2. Whether they meant what they said or not, let us assume for a moment that they did sincerely mean it. They are not even one thousandth of one per cent of all the women in all of the Western world who have been behaving in the ways for which they are apologizing. When the percentage of women who ARE saying these things SINCERELY, they may be STARTING to make a dent in the issues that are currently separating them form the men to whom they are apologizing.
Feminism regardless, women have been their own worst enemies for MILLENIA by the ways in which they have been dishonest with the men they claim to love. How so, you ask?
1. By EXPECTING men to ‘just know’ what they as women want, especially when it comes to sex,
2. ALL women habitually tell lies. OHHHH???? You think I am being a bit harsh and over-generalizing here? Then think about these things:
a. Are they truly being honestly and authentically themselves when they put on high heels to make themselves appear taller and/or walk more ‘seductively’?
b. Are they truly being honestly and authentically themselves when they put on make-up to change their appearance?
c. Are they truly being honestly and authentically themselves when they put on a bra to ‘enhance their bustline?
d. Are they truly being honestly and authentically themselves when they put on a foundation garment to change their body shape?
e. Are they truly being honestly and authentically themselves when they put on false fingernails or eyelashes of pluck their eyebrows or shave their legs or armpits or colour their hair?
f.
g.
h. Do I need to go on?
2A. When a man can see that something is troubling a woman and asks what it is and they reply, “Narrrthinnnnggggg”. And yet they DEMAND complete honesty from men, even while they are not prepared to offer the same in return.
3. They think that they alone have the right to reject an advance from a member of the opposite sex and that it is O.K. to do so but they can not handle it when a man rejects them. Sauce for the goose??????????
4. They - some of them - will tell the most outrageous lies to destroy a man’s character and reputation by way of revenge for some tiny, minor, even IMAGINED slight.
5. They expect, nay, DEMAND forgiveness from men and yet they will carry grudges for years or even decades about even the slightest of things.
O.K., enough of that. To the IMAGINED hurts. (OH??? You don’t like that word, “imagined”??? Then consider this.)
Another human being - of either gender - can take a piece of timber or some other weapon and cause you immense PHYSICAL damage and hurt.
BUTTTT, they CAN NOT hurt your mind with that same timber or other weapon ‘cos they can’t SEE it to target it, let alone ‘ackshully’ HIT it.
ANY hurt that any of us may feel in our mind - or in our emotions, which is the same thing - is ENTIRELY OUR OWN CHOICE.
Why do the physical injuries and signs of violence or rape heal and disappear WAY before the mental/emotional ‘mental/emotional’ injuries and signs. Because the body will heal itself naturally while we choose to NOT LET our minds or emotions heal. And this applies to BOTH genders.
Yes, M’dear, there ARE ONLY two genders. ANYTHING else is an expression - or a denial - of one or the other.
I have believed for about 4 ½ decades now that men and women were ‘designed’ by a far greater intelligence than mine - or yours - to be COMPLEMENTARY, NOT competitive. Each gender has sets of gifts which, if used co-operatively, can create within a pair a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we each and collectively told ourselves - AND our egos - to get out of the fucking way and become the loving, caring, compassionate, understanding beings that we are ALL capable of being - IF we would just allow it to be?
Just my 0.02.
You all have a wonderful 2019. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
It's a first step in the right direction, so that needs to be acknowledged. But when it's all said and done, men don't need women's apology, we need the bad behavior to change, specifically the sense of entitlement and the lack of accountability.
Smashing work, great film, pleased to have an insight into Dr Hanna Milling's mind and heart
The behavior of men toward women isn't "toxic". Most men care for women and sacrifice for women. The fact that you would use this word tells me that you're stuck in the model that only men can be "toxic". Women also do bad shit. They use relational aggression, and men suffer in loneliness and isolation. You can't comprehend the universality of shaming and exclusion as men's experience.
I am MAN, here is my apology to ALL WOMEN out there: I am deeply sorry to have cared for you and kids my whole life since kindergarden to high school and most years of hard work. Now, when the feminism (forcefully) liberated me from this care (no custody of my two kids), I can finally channel my resources to help other men, who were not as lucky as me. I can finally ACT on my dreams to prevent boys and men killing themselves, because this society does not see enough value in them and refuses to give them a hope by simply acknowledging they have problems but they are worthy to live.
I can never be thankful enough for this channel to finally show the true female nature: when they feel a bit of guilt, they make an apology film.
A simple act of this project by helping just one man, like giving a lunch for a homeless, or maybe giving him a pair of socks to fight the cold in the street or maybe preventing feminists to close down the last shelter for men and boys... This could make me shed a tear and give a prayer for their souls.
As a MAN, I apologise to the rest of the world, as it is MY FAULT those useful idiots came to power and the western civilization is on decline, because all those “wellfare state” illusions voted by entitled people have a price, which you (the world) will have to pay. During this demise of society, I promise to educate every boy I meet about MGTOW, which is the only way for them to stay alive and mentally strong to prepare for the next Cycle, which will need strong MEN.
Your comment needs pinned. As a younger MGTOW I take your words to heart. #MGTOW4LIFE
@@MillennialMonk Agreed....'' Your comment needs pinned''
In her book Heterophobia: Sexual Harassment and the Future of Feminism, Daphne Patai describes what she calls the "Sexual Harassment Industry." That book was published in 2000, 18 years ago. Women found their voice a long time ago; men have yet to find there's. There's nothing new about #MeToo except for the intensity of the rage. The film "From Women to Men" came along none too soon.
This is wonderful. The film made me cry and so did this interview. I love women and always have. I accept what men have done wrong and always have. But I will not accept the hatred against men that exists in feminism!
Feminism speaks for women all the time, why not let these women express their truth? I think some are missing the profound wisdom and step forward that their symbolic gesture represents.
that which is given without proof/effort can be equally dismissed without proof/effort...
Fact...Feminism from its core beginnings till this present day was never about true equality...Feminism was and still is nothing more than a vile, bigoted Man-Hating Female gender supremacist movement.
@@johnthedespicabledutchman7406 Agreed. And that's what society needs to heal from. And that's why female accountability and apology are so needed.
also something to think about is that violence is rarely physical woman understand that
Sorry ladies that you've experienced a "too little too late" or "not good enough" response but understand that this too is a reflection of feminism and of identity politics in general. No concession made to feminism or to ethnic grievance farmers has ever been or will ever be good enough. It's fantastic that you're beginning the process of rebuilding trust but it is a process.
It will still be all about themselves, you women will have to work very hard to earn my trust and I wish you luck since you have no patience for men.
Apologies? We've been through this many times already!
Real men, are NEVER EVER coming back, and we will NEVER EVER forget!!!
The age and intelligence awareness seems quite high for these ladies.
Bring equality into the family courts and maybe we can talk about moving forward, until then this is widow dressing and truly meaningless rhetoric.
BINGO!
For those that have truly ( actually ) suffered then yes the me too movement is an important event in our society . But realistically this is a fraction of those who identify with it , it's a very modern ' first world ' phenomena from people who don't have much genuine cause for grievance. Any reasonable person wants a more respectful and considerate society but only the first world can afford this sort of self indulgent narcissistic dialogue . It's all pretty adolescent and takes away the focus from serious issues .
Funny how it overshadowed talk of child sexual abuse as well, almost as if the media somehow have a reason to make Hollywood look as good as possible. Funny how bad their best still is, too.
Andy Nixon sorry to say this but Metoo has also started in India.so this is not first world problem.even our women's commission accept that false rape accusations is problem.
sorry - does matter- while the minefield is left in place and continues to grow. Sorry does not help- when the word "women" can't be associated with a negative - and "men" is endlessly. Can't have a discussion - where only one word is allowed to be tied to negative - the other must be attached to positive.
Ladies.
Get together and change laws. Don't stop until all laws and sentencing are gender equal.
Only women can do this.
Then, be prepared to be very very patient.
Yes.
.. never knew such a video even existed
This is just excellent.
Owning your shadow and healing the wounds go hand in hand , one doesn't happen without the other,for both men and women
MGTOW IS THE BEST WAY
I can't express to you enough how much I love this channel and appreciate you for expanding my mind so often.
It’s way too late for ladies at this point. The best they can do is to help the next generations and not raise little entitled assholes
For too long younger women only relate to men with antagonism, hostility and a sense of victimhood. This does not help men and women to get along. Notwithstanding, it is positive to see women understand feminism and feminists have been too anti-male and attacking men who do so much of the hard dirty work that holds the physical infrastructure of society together; how much more important is the relationships between the genders?
This is very important work and highly topical at the moment. Owning the shadow or dark feminine is the feminine equivalent of the hero's journey, and fundamental in reclaiming the feminine power which lies in this often banished aspect of a woman's psyche, and which otherwise acts subconsciously or covertly. Many myths are based on this journey into the underworld, Inanna, Persephone, etc. and the theme of the dark sister or fierce aspect of the feminine is also a recurring one.
just stop doing it talk is cheap
Wow Gratitude 💖, you all healed big time what was hurt inside of me.
It's so empowering to know that taking responsibility heals yourself as have the possibility of healing if desired by who else feels the message personally.
This is brilliant. I love the intent, the vulnerability and the strength of standing in this truth. It has been said that the proof of absolute truth is the existence of an equal and opposite truth. What I really love about this is the invitation.
I want to hear TFM's reaction to this film.
You should send it to him.
Too bad it's not a text. His dramatic Churchill readings are so good
Who is TFM?
@@@KlausandKlaus TFM stands for TurdFlingingMonkey, a MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) YT content producer.
@hunter81ism I won't, but thanks for the sources!
Too little, too late. Women need to move along and figure their own way out of the mess they - and they alone - have made.
Wounds, scars, pain, suffering...................ahh, the human condition. And the path to depth of the psyche.
I LOVE these women.
Let me be clear - for PEOPLE, male or female, to think "I don't have to apologize, or be held accountable" is an incredibly unhealthy mindset.
We teach men that they should look at themselves and apologize - but these women even SAYING women should do the same is incredibly threatening to the feminist mindset.
Feminist women - when they do wrong - typically try to "out victim" their victim. "I only did this because he /she 'hurt' me" - and it's often complete and utter crap.
"No fucking way. I learned my stuff." - you really nailed it with your answer to David's question about letting women down. As a woman I agreed with every word you said following his question.
This was so powerful and moving!
You're gonna make me cry.. That's so realistic and soothing..!!
Love the video thank u
I fear it's perceived as a joke. And it fails to acknowledge all the one-sided hate expressed by women. And the video backtracks in what it seems to at first convey, and therefore conveys a lack of sincerity.
"I want to apologize for all the mixed messages you get from us women..."
Aint that the truth? Thank you for saying this.
All of these women made a commercial for Mgtow men because #Mgtow has been around much longer then the #metoo movement as well it was already being felt by women before #metoo and now they’re aware of Mgtow which is like a treasure trove of single men with $$$ they’re going to try and find a way into someone’s retirement 🤣🤣🤣
So gripping. And I must now say "I am a woman who has hurt men and now it's time we all heal our wounds and once again be trusted.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🖕🖕
Yes, Cassie Jayes fantastic documentary, The Red Pill, is an excellent and moving complement to what these great women have produced in their wonderfully provocative film. We really need more listening with each other, and less talking at and talking against each other. I so appreciate true and honest communication. Listening is key to our really hearing and valuing each other.
cant you see they are lying.
You are probably right, but I am such an optimist.
For the women and creators of this film, what this film really showed was just how little women understand men, most were what are called 'back handed' apologies laced with shame, there was no real understanding of the male experience of what being in relationships with women is like.
Many men and particularly MGTOW men don't need your apology as they have come to terms already with your behaviour, we understand and accept you for who you truly are (have always been) and have decided to live without romantic relationships with you. This decision has nothing to do with being angry, hurt, or upset, it is a push to be healthier happier and more free as men.
If you listen there is currently a celebration among small groups of men and a longing to share it with others. Traditional men are literally dying from their romance with women while those who reject that path thrive, the comments weren't hate but survivors guilt... fake apologies are not what men need, they need women to accept an active role in changing themselves to something that is emotionally and psychologically healthier.
I will admit this change in men is pretty shocking for women as they just didn't see what was going wrong in their relationships. Men were speaking for years but never listened to while feminism was busy looking for more control of society regardless of the impact on their relationships with men. With pain came clarity, men are realizing that the old relationships won't work so are choosing not to have them. Women will just have to accept those men who can tough it out or choose to offer healthier relationships to men who still want them. For the second option to paraphrase feminist doctrine, women will have to learn more about their 'toxic femininity' or from your title their female shadow: This is a massive task for women as relationship strategies such as hypoagency will be so hard to acknowledge and even harder to resist. The men complaining about this apology know what darkness lurks in the hearts of women, ask and some may tell you... Women should begin to ask men some questions before moving on to their next mission to change the world.
Notice how the women making it felt so challenged by it, this is nothing compared to the apologies men are forced to make on a daily basis. Can you imagine if on top of this the women were shamed for it, this is something of what the male experience is in society right now.
Dr Hanna Milling, the concept was a good one, but whose interest did you really have in mind when making it? It was interesting to see, but for me it only made me more certain "that women are not worthy of relationships with men" (Diana Davison). Most men will still have relationships anyway, hopefully the women who claim to love them will treat them well.
MGTOW is a dead end.
So is life.
this is a weak and backhanded attempt to 'apologise' and address the issues men face from women.
In fact this could be taken for a feminist trap to get those that hate feminism to listen to their dogma by pretending to be helping men but really is pushing the problems women face from men or in society.
I dont believe it is a feminist trap but it comes across as one
Well said triscat.. some just have to learn the hard way taking things to the extreme.
Hopefully they will come out of their lopsided toxic delusions. At least it's one less worry of
bumping into one as they have taken themselves out of the dating game. One less unresolved trauma filled person =)
Shaming is never an argument... let me 'edumacate you' on toxicity and delusion.
You are right in that MGTOW are the least of concern to women, with the exception of the occasional PUA style casual thing for some MGTOW when it comes to sex but most of those guys eventually go full monk as they become less fearful of their freedom.
I don't know why everyone thinks that going your own way is extreme, the only change these men have made is no cohabitation/ romantic relationships with women; instead they use that time to focus on what makes them happy and self actualization.
Men and women are truly equal to MGTOW, in platonic relationships with women we have the same standards within them as we do for with men but this is off topic: Men still defining their masculinity by women and society are the ones being hurt, this is the toxic delusion men suffer.
Many people wonder why MGTOW publicly engage in gender discussions, most of us do it for the men in pain still. Privately our only concerns are where this affects our own freedom in society; you can't worry about that too much as you can't change it.
Most MGTOW believe the old romantic relationship between men and women is destroyed, so there will be no going back to traditional relationships as they don't work for men anymore. This means that for women the only path seems to be to let feminism continue its path to wherever that may lead them... independence seems like a good goal, part of that will be not to assume that men will be interested in following the same life path that women want to follow; the feminine expectation mentality has to end for women to be happy with the life they choose.
For relationships the future for women will involve a few less men and more of those men interested in living differently from past expectations; this means many men won't be thinking in the same way as previously when it comes to long term romantic relationships. Healthy men have no choice now but to think of their own health first, then to consider any relationships with women; some will inevitably decide they aren't interested.
Some consequences of the changes men are being forced to make include less public protection of women to protecting only the vulnerable, a rejection of military service until things are fair for men, reduction of work hours/ a values shift from status building/ provider roles, selecting less dangerous/ dirty jobs, legal protection of assets, legal access to any children, the maintaining of friendships/ support systems, a simpler lifestyle, protecting physical health, and spending more time on what they love most.
Men able to maintain their health right now under current pressures are turning to diamond, its beautiful to see men getting stronger and clearer. MGTOW grieve those who crack or shatter under romantic relationship pressures and celebrate the light shining through those who survive them. We may all be ultimately crushed and discarded by the women who claim to care for us but until then men should shine brightly.
I really enjoy talking about the opportunity for men to escape their ancient biological roles that no longer serve our interest and that women no longer need. Women may still want us to do these roles, they may apologize when they reject them and promise to respect these old roles again, but thanks to feminism men now have the choice. Many men are choosing something better and healthier for themselves without the influence or approval of women; in this sense it is an exciting time to be a man.
End Lesson.
God bless courage...............that rarest of human attributes...........in men and women.
Too little, too late...
Absolutely fascinating watch, really enjoyable.
Wow. I never thought I'd see a video where women apologise to men,. For anything. Ever.
its that whole accountability gene?
Nice to see women getting a clue about PoundMeToo...AFTER the wall beat them with the ugly stick. 😒
Hold the line the shield wall is up
It's kinda a long shot, but thanks Ilan Stephani. I really appreciated your answers in this, I thought they were very insightful.
Nice Snow Job but I don't buy one word of it .
not good enough
I can't help being suspicious, when they talk about self love. Lady in the blue dress just wants to move on now she feels better!
The best you can give is to say 'Sorry' (19.36) The best.
Seems that's what shadow work means... don't go that level
Betrayal of trust goes both ways. And it tends to be the ruling factor (honestly!) when it is the byproduct of a lived experience. That last answer says it all.Otherwise we stay broken - knowingly, or unknowingly. Trust is a necessary thing for humans. Without it, it's like life in a video game disenchanted and disconnected from real life. A false guarantee that is, in the end, anti-human, really. Our biological destiny is perfectly married to our psychological state of development. (Notice I didn't say happiness - that is only a byproduct.) So perhaps it just comes down to this: When you betray trust, does it matter? And if so, why? And is forgiveness the most important part of the healing?
Vacuous and self obsessed .. while ignoring the real endemic discrimination against men .. this video will do more damage than good.
I understand the criticism by men and yet considering the cultural saturation of Feminism this is a huge admission. It will be buried of course.
Did the sky just fall? What the hell did I just witness
I love this. Me too has become a witch hunt and has caused a lot of damage. Accusations are not proof. Rape and sexual assault are terrible, those that lie or are very confused should not be allowed to hide behind their gender and not damage the trust between genders. There must be proof, for both.
The reaction from some shows how damaged people are and how much this was needed for healing. Thank you. The reaction from others shows the shadow that is in Me too and believe her campaign.
so which one is saying that we should get rid of the Duluth model or default 50 50 custody get real not your wallet
I don't want to hear these women's "apologies". Also, don't forget to change the marriage and family court laws ladies. Either way it's too late. Feminism has exposed you and I'm not going back. #MGTOW4LIFE
I have been raped but i'm a guy so nobody cared and people laugh when I tell them I was raped by a woman who was handicap but I laugh also so life sucks laugh and carry on stopping and crying helps nobody
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope your wounds can be healed one day.
@@triscat wounds become scars scars make for great stories it doesn't hurt anymore its just funny to me now
Excellent!! Very imoprtant that this is out for a true healing to take place, because true healing is a balance and not revenge.
Yes, this collectivism is inappropriate, but if it serves the purpose of self-reflection in a constructive way, great.
Identify politics is identity politics. Until we can learn that things will only get worse . Until we learn that we are all invisible.
Treat others as you would want to be treated. There is only "right or wrong"..choose what side you want to be on in life and then live with the consequences of your choice. We all have to be better for the sake of our children.
“Beauty is truth, truth beauty, -that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know”.
Wow What an important video I want to watch the film now.
That is exactly what I have been saying that unless both side men and women behaviour is looked at then any solution is useless,!
Are you sure it's not just an advert for a mediation or therapy business?
Simp!!
Gentlemen, just go your own way.