My 'Red Pill' suicide mission, with director Cassie Jaye
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2018
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The Red Pill Movie was a sleeper documentary hit about the Men's Rights Movement in the USA. Despite some very negative reviews from mainstream publications, it became one of the most popular documentaries of the last few years.
It was subtitled, 'A feminist goes inside the Men's Rights Movement', and the director Cassie Jaye describes herself as a liberal. What does the reaction to it say about the cultural conversation, and how authentic was the film? Rebel Wisdom talks to Cassie Jaye.
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Cassie is the sweetheart of the gender rodeo. If more people had her level of empathy,our world would be a much safer place to raise our children.Thank you Cassie,from the bottom of my heart.
vetski666: Same here!
Cassie Jaye, what a surprising and refreshing sunbeam coming out of tribal gender darkness, having the courage to confront her mind with a hurting truth and embracing facts in favor of being a lying sheep. That's character Cassie! You've lost some of your willingly blind non friends, but you won respect, from others and from me. who starts to believe in humans a bit more, cause of your bravery Cassie!
I never identified as a feminist personally because by the time I came of age the current feminist movement was already acknowledged to have toxic beliefs, but I was still bogged down by the pressure of what kind of woman I should be working in a male dominated field and what that meant in the age of 3rd (or 4th depending on your definition) wave feminism. Through my own study of many different viewpoints, after Jordan Peterson initially opened up my eyes, I have found this deep confidence and sense of calm in allowing myself to be a strong female with no apology/denial of my femininity, and also without feeling the need to put men down or take on male traits to blend in. I am so thankful Cassie made this movie, I wish more women would stop being so set in their ideology and listen with compassion to both sides. Inequity needs to be addressed but life is not a zero sum game. Men and women are different, to varying degrees depending on the individual preferences, and our differences should be celebrated and individual choice encouraged. We can strengthen one another when we are not trying to force ourselves into a mold or deny parts of ourselves. I've been with my, now husband, for 7 years as well and I've noticed that as I underwent this change in thinking my relationship with him became so much healthier and more rewarding for both of us. I hope more men speak their truth and more women listen and fight back against the more insidious feminist ideals in our post-truth society to make a better world for both sexes.
@Victoria Brooks I was raised with conservative values and fundamental christian beliefs. In my early twenties, my identity shifted and I took on more liberal feminist ideologies. Now in my early thirties, married with a daughter, I find myself gravitating towards something entirely different - something I’m still struggling to formulate into a cohesive understanding. Would you be willing to chat with me via email? Thanks
There are lots of different versions of feminism though, which your comment seems to ignore. What unites them all is the belief that men do not have the right to subjugate women. Feminists are not united on how this belief should play out in society. For some, this means acknowledging that men and women are different while treating them as of equal value; for others, this means pretending that women and men are the same and treating them as such; for others still, men and women are no different, sex isn't binary, men can be women, and when they are, they should be the priority over actual women (and despite this view, plenty of people still consider themselves feminists!).
Feminism is the basis of many of the freedoms that women enjoy today, so to write it off as harmful is to ignore the benefits it has brought to women and men. There are many problems in society today, but the pre-feminism world was not good for women (no political power, being the property of men, no real autonomy, having talent that they weren't allowed to use) and no woman in her right mind would ever want to go back there.
"I did the complaining, and he did the resolving"... I think there's a real gender difference there.
One comment she made was VERY revealing: “we worked roughly the same hours....maybe I worked an 8 hour day and he worked an 11 or 12 hour day.” So you were home by 5-6:00 and he was home by 9-10-00. That’s not “roughly” the same workload, (and that’s before even getting into the difference between “working” and “being at work”). We talk a lot of the “income gap,” but quite frankly it pales in comparison to the productivity gap. By the time you factor in checking your email, getting a cup of coffee, having lunch, a bit of water cooler chit chat, and 8-hour “work day” is a joke. A lot of people, both male and female, radically underestimate the amount of productive effort required to keep society humming along and radically overestimate their own contribution to that productive effort. The truth is that most people are making an extremely modest contribution to the world and should be grateful every day for the lifestyle they’ve been gifted.
Tim v1.0 old bad habbits. She was feminist,remember?
On average, women do much more housework and childcare than men though, even when both spouses are working. Because this isn't paid work, men tend to conveniently ignore it.
Women also tend to take on the mental load of miscellaneous tasks for the family - when a friend has a birthday, for example, it's typically the woman who'll organise the present and care and make sure it's wrapped; if the kids need school supplies, it's usually the woman who organises that; it's typically women who think to write 'Thank you' card and then write and send them. All this 'being polite', 'smoothing things over', 'making a good impression', and 'making sure things are ticking over' shit may seem trivial, but it makes a positive difference, and the burden of all these tasks adds up, often meaning that women's work doesn't end when they clock off at the day job and they pull more than their weight in their household/family/couple.
This was a powerful film. I’m currently watching my brother deal with a messy divorce and child custody dispute. He’s essentially raised his girls on his own (even while married) and while he tried to get full custody , he was only granted shared parenting, where he pays her massive amounts of child support and alimony. He keeps the kids during her nights and weekends, she’s broken the shared parenting agreement and when he went to his attorney to try to get out of paying alimony he was basically told he’s screwed. She’s in direct violation of her court ordered agreement, doesn’t follow the parenting structure but he’s still got to pay. His attorney said that because of what state he lives in, it’s just the way it goes.
I refuse to allow any feminist to tell me women have things harder. GTFOH with that nonsense. My brother deserves full custody, but he’s not a woman, deck is stacked against him just for being a man.
Your brothers story is one reason why I walked away from feminism.
Too many good fathers who have to fight so much more, pay more, and deal more than women.
I can't remember the name of the firm, but there is a national firm who specializes in fathers rights.
Please, Google law firms for men.
I've seen men win. If your brothers lawyers gives that kind of advice, he needs to fire them and go to one who specializes in fathers rights.
Best to your brother and all men who struggle with this toxic feminism.
Thank you so much just for being honest and decent. I damn near got a tear just from what you wrote as I am a father of 3 boys but no divorce on the table. Sadly we can't start with men's voices and we need the help of good women like yourself. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Still a feminist, but I have always acknowledged that men receive the short end of the stick in custody battles and it sickens me. Children deserve to be with both parents fairly, and if that isn’t possible then the best parent. Those qualifications shouldn’t be based on gender.
Divorce is no pony ride for good women and mothers either though. For every man you can say was hard done by, I can tell you about 10 women who got the short end of the stick in divorce, being left as a single parent after their husband left them for someone else, and struggling to provide for their children, because the husband managed to manipulate his income for the courts to make it look lower than it really was.
This is much less about gender than it is about toxicity. When you marry someone, you give them the power to ruin your life if they choose to, so you better make sure that you choose a decent spouse, someone who values YOU and, most importantly, THEMSELVES enough to treat you fairly when someone else becomes their honey.
@@chocolatecuban Fair, except in the case of young children - they need their mother more than their father.
I know of a mother whose partner left her for another women when their child was a few months old. A terribly selfish and cruel man, he insisted on joint custody from day one and it was horrendous for both mother and baby - as she was breast-feeding, she had to pump a week's worth of milk and freeze it for her ex to feed their son with on 'his week' with the baby.
At that stage in a child's development, not only is the mother their source of food, but young babies see their mother as part of them - they don't yet understand that they are a seperate person! Thus, to seperate them from what they see as part of themselves is particularly cruel, and any court that endorses it is just plain ignorant.
She's a non-traditional, non-religious Democrat woman from San Francisco. The opposite of me. But I also think she's kind-hearted and honest, and courageous. I wish her the very best. She's kept the good parts of feminism while rejecting the hate. She's adopted the honest concerns of men's rights activists without adopting labels. I have nothing but respect for her, judging on what I've seen so far.
Fair play to Cassie Jaye. She's obviously quite shy and modest, but she stands her ground and fights her corner with grace and dignity. A fine example of womanhood.
She is a fine example of person hood. Or "human hood"
She’s a human Fluttershy
In terms of life impact, this is probably one of the two or three most powerful films in my life. One other was, "Field of Dreams," that struck so close to home that I called up my dad after years and years of never talking to him and nurtured a re-connection with him. The Red Pill, changed my entire perspective on politics, current events and all my past assumptions regarding our whole polarized world.
The Red Pill made me wonder why USA is so barbaric. What kind of a twisted mind genitally mutilates boys in the hundreds of millions to the point that foreskins are used in industry. Get it together, you're majority Europeans not desert tribes.
I'm curious and I would like to ask: what was the third most important film for you?
German director, Doris Dorrie's, "Cherry Blossoms," taught me to see through some of my own self-centered ways in my marriage. This is actually my favorite film of all time. It was spiritually transforming in my appreciating my relationship with my beloved wife.
Read the book the Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi if you want a life changing percpective on life.
I'll look for a copy. Thanks for the suggestion.
9:30 There is no incorrect assumption there. They're against marriage because it is a raw deal for men. They're for strong relationships between fathers and their children because they care about children. The consistent response is to not get married and to not have children. It's nobodies responsibility to sacrifice themselves for the sake of a society, especially not one that doesn't care about them, let alone one that is filled with hatred for them.
I get the feeling that despite her change of perspective and all of the knowledge she has gained from making the film she really hasn't grasped the reality that is the rigged court system. It is not just a bias, it is set up to be all one way, whether the judges or lawyers like it or not. Until that system is made fair, and men do not have to depend on the goodwill of any particular woman to be able to escape total financial, social and personal ruin in order to get married, then MGTOW will continue to grow.
I am not part of that movement, but I hesitate to wag my finger at the most vociferous of the men and label them with feminist labels, simply because I have heard the absolutely vicious rhetoric from the feminists for most of my lifetime, and know first-hand from friends the crushing weight of the law that is arrayed against them should they make an error in which woman they enter into a long-time relationship with.
Reconciliation in the culture is nice, and likely to be the precursor to further correction, but in the real world, until there is real substantial change in the system, Cassie is right about one thing, nothing will change in the gender wars perhaps for another 20 years or more.
It is effort enough for many men, more so if they are white, to get up and leave the house, keep their heads up and do the work that they do with integrity and good humor, knowing that 50% of the people they meet quite likely despise and hate them, without knowing them, not through anything they have done or even thought. The stronger ones will take a gamble on a long-term relationship and 50% of those will lose the bet and live the rest of their life in indentured servitude.
I would suggest that confining themselves to nasty rhetoric and walking away, in today's world is likely the most gentlemanly thing they can do. We see daily, despite MSM's efforts to ignore it, that there are cultures, religions, and legal systems in the world right now in which the legal power is combined with the misogynist culture and religion to abuse women in a barbaric fashion. Men of the west respect women as human beings too much to go in that direction, despite their compensatory nasty rhetoric against feminism.
Women of the West perhaps don't appreciate enough the gentlemanly kindness and humanity in simply disengaging, in deciding that this is not a 'playable game" until the rules are changed, and right now it is women who have the power to change those rules, not men.
MGTOW men have simply decided that, in the words of the Rolling Stones, they will not be any woman's "beast of burden." They are on strike, and just as a company can go out of business if it will not negotiate with the union, the lack of children that Cassie is concerned about is the direct parallel. The west will go out of business without children.
@Manuel Barkhau
I was going to say the same thing. There is no contradiction there.
I agree.
I think Cassie, bless her, is equating present involved father's with marriage.
@@ljr6723
yeah, I grew up hearing the feminist instructions, and even being on the recieving end of some of it's more subtly-pernicious teachings in my own home, as well as it's blatantly abusive nature in my life outside of home (school, work, daily interactions, work, etc..).
The sad reality, is that while mor than half the women I have personally known throughout my life do no support feminism, every single one of them fell back on it when any difficulties arose. I do not personally know a single woman who has not accepted the ill gotten rewards of feminist activism when the consequnces of her actions became unavoidable and significant. I don't know what this ultimately means for the modern woman in America, and I hope it's more of a local phenomenon (though I doubt it), but everyone is going to feel the effects of these behaviors and I don't think it will be positive even for the staunchest radical feminist.
By going on an honest quest for knowledge and understanding she managed to rescue her own femininity from feminism. That’s a real big win!
You are a heroine Cassie Jaye - history WILL look back on you as compassionate and courageous. I already do - it will just take a bit for them slow pokes to figure it out, that's all. ☺🙃☺
Lots of love girl!
Thank you for another great interview Rebel Wisdom.
Like history looks back on Erin Pizzey? :/
it's been over 20 yrs now but yes maybe eventually they'll figure it out
I agree, she is an inspiration.
@Serathis A fair observation but I meant from a time much further in the future - like in a century when the plague that is Feminism has been eradicated far and wide.
... I'm not a feminist anymore... because... I'm a woman. I hope Cassie Jaye can be a reference voice in the real evolution of men and women relation on the next decades. She deserves it and all of us, men and women, deserve it too.
similarly.. i'm not a masculinist anymore...because... i'm a man
Cassie Jaye is no longer a feminist, because she embrace her humanity in her heart. Cassie Jaye threw out the hate that feminism infused into her heart. Cassie Jaye took the pure unprotected castor oil called "The Red Pill", after emotionally disgesting the idea of tearing apart the "Red Pill". What is good for you can taste disgusting, but benefits your health both mentally and physically.
"I would never find a man guilty in a rape trial" (27 mins). Paul Elam did NOT say he would let rapists off. He said that rape is a heinous crime, and any man who commits rape deserves the full force of the law applied against him. His article (which I read!) was about FALSE accusations of crimes. Elam went through men committed of rape who were later found innocent thanks to the Innocence Project in the USA (mostly innocent black men falsely convicted of rape). He showed why they were committed for rape even though innocent was because of a breakdown in due process whereby the man couldn't present evidence to clear himself since it might re-traumatise the victom. Elam wrote that if he served in a jury, and IF he thought a man was not receiving due process, he could not in good conscience convict that man, even if the evidence was overwhelmingly against him. THIS IS BECAUSE HE COULDN'T RULE OUT A FALSE ACCUSATION, rather than wanting actual rapists to be let off. It is disgusting the way Elam's words have been twisted around. His comments were about FALSE accusations of rape, not actual ones. (48 mins) "Get both sides of the story." Agreed! Get Paul Elam on, and ask him yourself!
+1
Could you please link me that article?
Exactly, so much for "Rebel Wisdom" if such wisdom is just obeying others in deciding which people are acceptable and which are not.
@@086-01SW Here is the article: www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/jury-duty-at-a-rape-trial-acquit/
@@valhar2000 Thanks.
She's got Class.
She's got clout! 😉
(Akira the Don)
mark kavanagh: Yes I'm moved!
Cassie Jaye, what a surprising and refreshing sunbeam coming out of tribal gender darkness, having the courage to confront her mind with a hurting truth and embracing facts in favor of being a lying sheep. That's character Cassie! You've lost some of your willingly blind non friends, but you won respect, from others and from me. who starts to believe in humans a bit more, cause of your bravery Cassie!
She *has *class. :P
One of the best interviews on this subject, quickly covering the obvious and familiar questions, while taking time over some of the film's more relevant criticisms. There's some fresh discussion at last, after the dust has settled and the mobs have chased off after fresh meat. It's the first time Cassie has spoken about her career and opinions as they stand today. It's also nice to see how her raw footage uploads not only prove the authenticity of her film, but also provide a great source of information for anyone brave enough to look.
I agree with the point that you need marriage to have strong and healthy father and mother figures. However I think the MGTOW people arguing for the avoidance of marriage are also arguing for the avoidance of children. Why be on the hook for a child you never get to see and and only get to pay for due to the court system?
I understand their sentiment, but marriage comes with certain other facets that go beyond "she can take half of my shit / and or hook me for alimony should she want a divorce." Spouses can not be compelled to testify against each other in a court of law. Spouses wield greater control / protection during times of hardship or illness- essentially they have legal rights that a boyfriend / girlfriend "partner" whatever would have. Then there are the children. Marriage has benefits for parents as well. I mean, most ppl know this shit I'm guessing..... Marriage is more economic than romantic, in the most pragmatic sense. Now if only I had a nice hottie to marry.... RIP lol
IMO there's are great reasons to avoid having children until such a time where men can look outside of the window and say to themselves "hmmm maybe this is a good world to raise children in" Dont get me wrong... it's good enough for diabolical ideology of Islam of course so i guess it's not all bad seeing as if they continue to expand and conquer countries from within. Of course at current pace they will be the majority of the planet and then their conquest will be pretty easy and so we have to do something to make sure that never happens and having children and fixing laws would be the most peaceful way of doing that and yes men normal would sacrifice themselves for the betterment of western mankind and mankind as a whole but we're not in kansas anymore...unless kansas is the new pompeii
Find someone decent to have children with
@@MXR-be7wl 😆 decent? Where is that elusive creature hiding?
Another excellent interview by Rebel Wisdom. David, I love your style of presentation, your soft camera shots, the background is always pleasing. Your soft voice and kind eyes really puts me at ease. You interview so many good subjects who have thoughtful things to say to help heal our broken and wounded world. Thank you for your hard work sir.
Great perspectives in this interview. Rights and responsibility go hand and hand and the rights of children need to be the responsibility of both genders first and foremost. Denying a child access to a loving parent has to be one the the most reprehensible and psychologically damaging things that can be done to a child. Love your kids and love your kids' relationship with their other parent.
It is simply child abuse to seperate a child from a loving relationship with a parent and extended family. It does not matter if it a parent or a Judge, state agent whom sign off on it. They should be prosecuted for child abuse.
Got to say thanks to the interviewer for asking the questions and then allowing the interviewee - in this case, Cassie - to speak and for only interrupting _briefly_ to ask for clarification on what she meant, for the benefit of viewers who might not know.
Such an improvement over most of the mainstream media where "challenging" the answer _half-way through the interviewee's actual answer_ seems to be the norm.
Says a lot about our society and our media that actually being a good and respectful journalist is worthy of special mention...
I overheard an older old skool woman in my work and she summed it up perfectly and she doesn't have any social media and I doubt she goes on YT. she had noticed how feminine men are now and that in her words they have De-maned the lion and there's so much hate against men now, it made me feel good as for the last three years of my life I have went through the mill with the police and child support and a toxic ex partner, yes I used toxic because it really is. The police have done nothing, and I won't go into it but this toxic individual has done everything in her power to make my life miserable and it's worked, after the damage to my car with a witness and a VM admitting it I was told by the law that I should just change my number and there wasn't enough proof. That's one thing out of about ten examples
Another Stellar interview 👏👏
I have enormous respect for Cassie's intellectual honesty and moral courage. She's a rare human being.
Really great interview thanks Rebel Wisdom! It takes real courage and character to be able to admit you were wrong and that your views have changed - Cassie speaks eloquently and with kindness - respect!
In many ways I think the story of the events that unfolded after the movie's release are as interesting as the film itself. The backlash within the media, the protests in Australia, the vitriol directed against Cassie from feminists... All these things serve to emphasise the issues addressed within the film and further highlight just how much power feminism now has within western society and how little care or consideration is given to the problems that men face. It would be good to see Cassie make a follow up of some sort that documents these last two years, it needn't be a full-blown sequel but something that at least continues the story of her journey through the world of gender politics.
This film is so important. Not just for the content of the film itself and Cassie Jaye’s own personal journey but the reaction to it which just enforced the one dimensional objective of feminism which Jaye unravels.
Two things I would recommend to anyone - watch Cassie Jaye’s reply to an interviewer [interrogator] on an Australian TV show who tells Cassie that Australia’s most recent ‘Man of the year’ award went to a woman whose son had been killed by his father (her partner). Cassie pauses, says she hasn’t heard of this but it’s interesting as it shows how domestic violence has male victims too. The presenter is shocked. Apparently the correct narrative is that the woman is the only victim in that tragic case. This was a real eye opener for me, it really showed how a narrative has been pushed which denies the experience of half the population by dint of the fact they have been born male.
The other thing I would implore people to watch is Karen Straughan’s response critique to a ‘feminist’ UA-cam or podcast (I can’t remember which) that is a response to the Red Pill film. The way she takes apart all the claptrap espoused by the stuck up, privileged bourgeois idiot is so eloquent and succinct it should be taught in school.
I found that shocking also. The boy was killed, cant be a bigger victim then that, but never mind, the mother lost her son. Of course she suffered, but at least she is alive, more then i can say for the forgotten son.
You're a hero in my book Cassie, thank you.
When Cassie said she had only just got married, I nearly fell out of my chair. Thank you Rebel Wisdom for being just about the only clear voice in the middle (that I know of).
Beautiful interview, well done.
I didn't think it possible, but every time Cassie speaks I love her more. She's one of the most articulate and insightful people I can think of and I hold her "fly on the wall" approach to documentaries up as an example of "how to do it right" (generally in contrast to the _Ask-a-question-then-shout-over-the-answer-with-more-questions_ dynamic of modern so-called "journalism").
From her TED talk about reactions to _THE RED PILL_ to _THE RED PILL_ itself (yeah, I saw them in _that_ order) to this and other interviews, Cassie displays thoughtfulness and integrity that makes me wonder why her name isn't shouted from the rooftops as an exemplar of clear thinking.
Small wonder the mainstream media gives her so much shit - she's showing them up at every turn. She's a diamond amongst lumps of coal... and the lumps of coal know it and get shitty about it.
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There was a serious concern right up until the film was released that it would simply be a hit-piece on the MRM, so used were we to such prejudicial treatment from all quarters of the media. All we ever wanted was a fair hearing, to be listened to, to be heard. Cassie Jaye has earned the profound respect of those who care about the plight of men and boys in today's society by having the courage, the integrity and the humility to create an honest and compelling documentary film detailing the current state of affairs in this area.
great interview....subbed!
When I went through marriage counseling, the one thing I learned was "WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT". It didn't matter who I talked to, we all had similar problems. Sometimes the chaos was on the male side. Sometimes it was on the female side. We all are running down similar paths. The balance varies, but the problems are all pretty similar.
If we could just ctrl+c ctrl+v Cassie Jaye about 50 million times, that'd be great, thanks.
Thank you Cassie and thank you Rebel Wisdom. It was interesting when Cassie mentioned feminist's fear of funding being taken away from women's rights to fund men's rights.....funding for men's rights never crossed my mind as a way to support men . Funding is not necessary, but some more gratutude like Cassie's would go a long way.
thanks for the interview, Cassie is so well articulated and seems to be very honest.
Hadn't heard of this movie or lady,will be checking both from now,great interview thanks.
The courage to think for yourself is the most valuable trait you can foster in yourself
She is Just Amazing .
When he (gently) criticizes her for not asking tougher questions, it is merely because he does not actually understand nor value the true virtues of traditional femininity. Her gentle, meek, authentic and transparent approach is the beauty and genius of the film! This is part of the fallout of feminism: the real, necessary value that women can and do bring to our society is marginalized and misunderstood. Also, Cassie dealt with all this criticism (including this man's) gracefully and with poise, again giving a proper example of what it is to be a woman.
Interesting perspective and good points! I think we have been trying for so long to see women as men, and see men as women, that we miss the differences that make the sexes unique. Thank you for offering this!
@@mindasriver8408 Yeah i grew up calling mom 'dad' and calling dad 'mom', calling my brother my sister and my aunt my uncle and my niece my nephew. i just assumed thats the way it always was and it was normal. But i suppose looking at the way things are going it will become normal in western societies just like it is in japan
@@jeragenhope6822 who does that? Certainly not the Japanese...
@@jeragenhope6822 uh. I think you are embellishing or being sarcastic.
Whatever.
One thing that was kinda grating "Roughly the same amount of hours"... 8 hours worked =/= 12 hours worked... that's actually a major difference... other than that, awesome.
This problem is part of a bigger problem. Currently, our society (medias, politics, schools, etc) are currently working to create more and more division,
Woman/man, black/white, theist/atheist, etc... and if you search and find why this is happening, it is at bit scary.
why?
@@ThiefKingofLegend that is the right question.
what would the media have to gain by causing people to fight amongst each other? who benefits from it?
keep asking those questions, I guarantee you will be surprised on what you end up finding.
@@TheGeckoNinja from a small think, you get people in-fighting so no real change will happen
@@ThiefKingofLegend small changes, so small u hardly notice them happen while we're fighting each other. if we were not fighting we'd notice them more often
Very simple, money. Media and T.V are dinosaurs, they, as they spiral downwards are only pushing out things that create giant backlash, which = cha ching.
In my experience, we definitely do have a long way to go, even concerning getting to a place where people are inclined to even take an interest in the issues, much less, to taking them as seriously as they are worthy of being seriously considered. I find both dis-interest and concerted resistance and forthright, blind dismissal regarding the imbalance and prejudices about the so-called, ongoing, power of "patriarchy."
Norm Babbitt I don’t go along with the male patriarchy etc, I Am not denying some of the issues faced by women . But by going into the patriarchy jumbo jumbo you are cutting the conversation there. Limiting it and stick everything down to oppressor oppressed. . Nothing to do how we actually are meant to compliment each other. And we need to in a constructive and healthy manner. We are not even seeing half of this. So it is not in conclusive and so can’t move forward
Cassie Jaye. She stuck to the truth. She decided that she was going to tell the truth in her documentary and let the pieces fall wherever they may. This is why she makes great documentaries. People who are willing to be strategical as opposed to truthful about their work/research and dedicate themselves to a facade that either panders to society, treads carefully around controversial topics, or avoids the possibility of making waves for the institution they are working under, will be second rate at best.
She sacrificed for men. She could've spun the story to validate all the feminists. She would've had mainstream acceptance, her documentary would have no problems with banning or boycotts, there wouldn't have been any reputation smearing towards her or hostile interviews. She could've lived the life. Instead, she chose to tell the truth. As a gay man, that's twice now that she's made documentaries that will affect my life positively. I will forever be grateful and in her debt.
I wrote an essay at University "can you be a Feminist and a Marxist". I got a third class grade, appealed due to knowing I had been assessed by a female feminist and on remark got a second from a male lecturer Mmmm see what you will in that, way back in 92. I no longer see myeslf as a Marxist as its too warped currently and I cant agree with equality of outcome, Spiked I would say is my closest politics now. RW is one of the best U.K based channels along with Spiked newspaper. Great piece thanks.
I watched the film when it came out and she is of course spot on with what she is saying!!
Together we stand, Divided we fall.
Amazing. Cassie oozes class, tact and compassion, but I'm definitely seeing how she's not confrontational with some of her answers.
For example in regards to funding for men's issues. There are obvious and logical answers to the question of where the money is going to come from that make career feminists uncomfortable, such as taking it from campaigns spreading the gender pay gap myth, and using that to work on preventing male suicides. Taking money from studies researching why women tend to choose the lower paying positions they do, and using that to fund male domestic violence or abuse shelters.
When measured by severity, there are women's issues which are going to go unfunded or ignored because the stakes are a lot higher for some of the men's issues. That's why we need to press the government on where they're spending our money, and why they're spending it where they do, because there are issues that outweigh others in terms of importance. If men's issues start getting funding, a lot of feminists who've made careers out of bs like the gender pay gap myth are going to be out of jobs. Rightfully so, by the way, as it is a myth, and we should not be funding any completely debunked nonsense with our tax money.
17:31 - it's nice to hear some of these guys show compassion for her and warning her about the consequences she may face, and not trying to obscure that possibility for the sake of getting the message out. Obviously Cassie thought little of it but it's a nice insight.
thank you Cassie
Finally, an unbiased interview!
He is very biased. He is clearly a card carrying Femunist.
She should make a back up documentary. Your journey, years later. Keep up the good work.
From a sociological perspective it seems to me there is nothing more worthy of priority than the health and stability of men and women together. The gold standard- and who morally would 'settle' for less given the consequences- for raising children is a home with a married mother and father.
It is so refreshing to see a woman being able to set aside her ethos-glasses and with logic and empathy see that men have issues in this society as well and that one does not have to chose to either care for womens issues OR mens issues but can care for both! Thank you for not painting this movement as black and white as good vs evil!
She is a very courageous woman, fair and honest.
Were there editions of the movie, particularly the Ms. magazine executive section? The second time I saw it, I thought there were cuts.
Fred Cory at 26:35 it sounds like she says at least the raw footage is on UA-cam - not sure that’s realistic to comb through... good stuff though it seems
Very open and honest documentary.
at the end of the day.....we all one thing in common
we all humans, born to make mistake
respect to all mankind.....have a wonderful life forever
you good people
I though the Red Pill documentary was interesting. I think the good thing about it is that it got people talking and hopefully doing more research on the topic. I learned of feminism in the late 70s, it never included male bashing. I can see how the men of that generation saw things that way. Dig deeper in this area and then vote and try to change the laws. I found the UA-cam analysis/reviews of the documentary more informative than the documentary itself. If you know a male who does need assistance, the National DV line will help a male/female find a shelter and other sources when needed. Also "find male shelter near me" will work.
I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s, and I felt like I didn't know what the rules were. Today I couldn't care less about the rules, because I am not chasing women anymore. I never really did have a lot of confidence in pursuing women anyway, but I got into a job which has a high risk of divorce (Truck driving), I just decided against getting married. I'm too busy trucking.
Great. Cassie Jaye is a beautiful woman and very intelligent
She is just fantastic
Anyone who became a feminist primarily from social media influence, likely doesn't have that strong of a foundation on the subject, which is true of any ideological position, just sayin.
Hope all of you watched the whole video, best part is 47:39 to the end. I could see a whole documentary about fear over funding.
The first step, is scrapping the Deluth model in courtroom marriage disputes.
Cassie is so much braver than both the women and men, but especially men who can't stand up for themselves and side with feminists because they're scared of being outcasts.
Now she's the person to talk to!
On the issue of marriage and family. Not all men are going to go MGTOW. It'd be sensationalist to assume such a possibility would become an actuality.
Yes.. men's rights activism is growing, and that's a good thing because it's needed.
The institution of marriage isn't going to be destroyed, but hopefully it will be changed to where both involved are equals.
I've been saying this for a few months now, and I'm hoping it'll resonate.
Equality means the negatives as well as the positives.
Without the negatives it isn't equality...but superiority.
Men are subservient in marriage, and divorce, and have been for no less than three fourths of a century minimum.
Men *have to* fear women's, the courts, and even family and friends *wrath* if we don't *cow down* to the modern idea of marriage.
...and well...who wants to be subservient *every day, all the time* ?
Of course we're concerned about fatherless homes.
Most of us have been divorced, and seen our kids suffer. We've *learned* from this, and we don't want *anyone* to have to go through it.
It's *one of the reasons* activists are trying to lobby for *change to the system* .
Oh, and the guy doing the interview is being a shill. He cuts out what she's saying quite often. More than likely to push *his narrative* in the interview. Every time he cut her conversation she was going into the *actual* (men's) *issues* she was bringing up.
He tries to not make it obvious (lol)..so I'll give him credit for trying to hide his bias 😉.
Michael Krans CS and this interview is a true BS. You don’t have to be a genius to see how this is a distraction - pretty woman talking about HERSELF, her FEELINGS and her journey and her conversion. NICE, now you are not feminist, but also give a shit about mras. Yes, by using a bunch of money, you managed to REPEAT multiple oppinions in one place. This made a lot of women unhappy and this made some men happy. What NOW? Well, nothing! Money is the answer: nobody will fund another movie. Nobody want to hear men’s problems, it is a taboo topic! How to avoid something, which is very uncomfortable? Just give all the funding to feminists! Just the word MEN in the title is now offensive. Men will be banned, castrated, mutilated, killed. Who cares? If you don’t agree with this point of view, jast ask SOMEBODY you know after watching this video - what is their ACTION or impetus to do ANYTHING to restore the balance? My forecast: you will not find a single person, who watched this interview (or watched The Red Pill) or their resolution is “what a great film! Now I see somebody cares, so maybe I do not have to do anything”. And my advise - don’t ever ask females, they will never move a finger to actually make a change - men are always responsible for societal changes... So, CS is a distraction. MGTOW is not the only answer as those in power are total idiots - they will notice the problem, when the last tax payer will die. My proposal is to create a new legal contract instead of state-approved marriage. This contract must define all the most important aspects of men and women rising children together. Not as a family, but as a team... Terms “mother” and “father” may still be used by kids, but it will not be a family and will not be considered as a subject of family law... State had corrupted the social contract and family law, so people have to take away the power of state to regulate this area. If such a contract is not enough, I can emigrate, become a citizen of other country, subject to different legislation... I believe, men could subscribe to such a scenario...
I can confirm that many were suspicious of Cassie when she had the open call for funding. There was a livestream including people like Mike Cernovich, Milo, Sargon, Shoe0nhead... She came across as genuine and even if it had been a critical piece, many decided it would probably be the fairest piece of mainstream criticism they had ever received. I don't think any of the backers were disappointed with the result.
My divorce was very ugly involving a one sided custody battle in favor of my ex wife thanks to an over zealous feminist judge.
Weird jump cut at 38:18. What was the rest of what she was saying?!
"There is just no way to win".....MGTOW philosophy in on one sentence, her words. I appreciate this lady for her unusual empathy, glad she was honest, took 4 years of being exposed to reality, not many people have that kind of experience.
You should become a Mom. The World needs more of you.
you seem unusually genuine
10 years of internet content, that will never disapear.
Generations will google for what they aim to find. And they will find her 10 years worth of content and rebuild false assumptions based on her early works.
They won't watch red pill. They'll read blogs and forums where girls cite Cassie out of context. And they'll carry their unchallenged beliefs into adolescence where they will cause further havoc on men, women and them self. All in the belief they are fighting for something they never put up for questioning.
Maybe we should start teaching kids at school critical thinking and how to challenge own and others biases? Because schools don't and never have.
Yes, schools are actually Leftist indoctrination, almost every where in the world, the reasons is that Leftist started 50 years ago and Rightist did almost nothing about this
i wanna learn to be calm as her
The enemy is fear. I know, sounds very new age but honestly. the enemy we can all get behind is the reduction of fear. Fear to act and be can be reduced by open discussion and education.
40:30 "...even though we were working roughly the same amount of hours - I was working an 8 hour day and he was working an 11 or 12 hour day..."
Wuh?
Gender equality
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, and it shows how different the reasoning between men and women are.
"Made you lose a lot of faith in the media" I think that there are millions of people right there with you. Slander and sloppy journalism, calls for censorship...many people, like myself, are classically liberal but reticent/horrified by the group think of today. Ironically, feminism kind of has arrived at a point where it is it's own worse enemy. Looking forward to your next documentary.
makes you wonder what's really going on? why are the media so bias and huge liars? who is benefiting from it? who controls the media? etc. etc.
now I usually am suspicious every time the media demonizes someone cause that tells me that person might know something that the people in power don't want us to know.
Not "kind of arrived". It arrived years ago. Women have been screaming for the men to come back and date them and stuff again for many years now. their not happy at all but they are starting to see that feminism caused it and are beginning to step away from it in the hopes that some sense of normalcy might someday return.
True bravery
What I find interesting is how feminism fights against "male roles" but all of the traditional male roles she described she didn't want to do them. Doesn't want to be the one to approach a romantic interest. And she didn't like being the main bread winner.
I love her. I completely agree with her statement that marriage is too important for kids and society to be abandoned. Yes, it's a shitty deal for us men and we need to change that, but there must be better options then to abandon the ship.
Where could I find a girl like Cassie Jaye?
32:20 her expression is priceless. This woman martyred herself for us.
Great conversation. Could you guys make an interview with Jesse Lee Peterson on religion?
I love this❤ I also left Feminism and started WisdomFem.
Cassie Jaye, what a surprising and refreshing sunbeam coming out of tribal gender darkness, having the courage to confront her mind with a hurting truth and embracing facts in favor of being a lying sheep. That's character Cassie! You've lost some of your willingly blind non friends, but you won respect, from others and from me. who starts to believe in humans a bit more, cause of your bravery Cassie!
The creator of one of the greatest documentaries ever made. This girl tells the truth.
Around 28 mins in, interviewer asks dumbass question about a Paul Elam quote, Cassie Jaye swats it away like a boss. God damn she's awesome.
I love Cassie. You can see how hurt she is from following her truth.
She needs to run for office - I’d vote for her. A person that listens and is not afraid to stand by her own views, even if they change and are unpopular.
Men's rights activist should not remove the men's rights phrase from the movement because once upon a time just the issues a men's rights were a taboo but not anymore, so after a good positive Association of men's rights the phrase would be great in the society
I really wanted to ask a question of Cassie at the ICMI17, but there wasn't time;
In the movie she makes a graph of desires/outcomes in pregnancy for men and women and she marks "getting what you want" in green and "not getting what you want in red".
Except that she marked several female "getting what she wants" in red. eg. if the mother DOESN'T want the child and she aborts it's marked in red. But if the father DOESN'T want the child and it's aborted it's marked in green.
Why was that?
She's a genuine hero
Why does rebel wisdom dodge the subject of marriage.
I don't understand this, marriage and it's civilization building utility, predicates much of the subjects rebel wisdom focus on.
to all men mgtow philosophy is freedom
The freedom of a lone stray dog. I rather pass. My daughter awaits me at home to play.
Around 16 Minutes she says she is not an MRA and I think that is a good thing. I would be skeptical if she did a complete 180, but instead, while she is no longer a Feminist, she is actually somewhere in the middle. Several of us in the LGBT community have taken to calling this Political Homelessness since the borders between Right and Left have come crashing down.
Politically homeless huh i like it
An interesting discussion. Cassie Jaye comes over as a decent, honest person and in telling the truth about men she upset the professional feminist class.
Any ones having problem seeing also the men point of view have a huge personnel problem. Taking the whole thing way far for equality. Men's right are also human's right.
More of this.
My only Critique: Going to War is probably not a great Service for the Society. That is only the Case in very few cases, like in England 1939. Actually War is something where I, as a non- Feminist critisize Men a lot!