I love how Philip completely shut down Charles in this scene. He knew how selfish and immature his son was being behind closed doors and he didn’t want to hear it.
Phillip was a navy man in his youth probably try to get charles in to royal navy in the 1970s to keep him away from Camilla all those years so she marry the other dude.
I like he shut him up too... But that was part of the problem in the first place. This marriage took place because no one respected the feelings involved and basically told everyone else to suck it up. While Charles is a jerk, all parties had a part in the downfall.
@@rachelsunqvist6430 I think you hit an important point here. It's worth remembering that his family pushed him hard into marrying her, even when he started having doubts. They also utterly ignored Diana when she tried to bring up her doubts to them. These two are in this scene doing what they have always done, only listened to to what they wanted to hear and then ignored or shut down anything that isn't what they want to hear. While Charles may be a spoiled brat, he still has the right to say he wants to leave a marriage he is unhappy with. Honestly that is a right that everyone should have. Honestly It would have been better for literally everyone involved had they at least let him say his peace. Even if he's being selfish, petty, whiny, spoiled, etc, allowing only one half of the marriage to speak at what essentially is a marriage intervention is a really terrible idea.
@@rooneytutoring exactly. He did tell her before the wedding that he did not love her. Elizabeth and Phillip were more or less an arranged marriage as well, they just handled it better. They probably honestly can't see what the big deal is about. In no way am I taking a side, the whole situation was and is sad, just trying to view it from all parties minds.
I mean this is a very dramatic portrayal of actual events. The tv show makes it out to be that Charles is completely wrong and Diana isn’t at fault whereas it’s not that simple both were wrong. They both made mistakes like humans do inevitably
Princess Diana was beloved by millions for her charming personality. At first, her public appeal was an asset to the royal family, but it quickly became an issue when she seemed better-liked than Prince Charles and the Queen. #AbolishTheMonarchy #RacistsRoyals
@@therockdwarfmockdwarf1476 she was the one trying to make it work that is the context from her book from the tapes of squidgy and heck even royal correspondences and historians agree
@@zippyzipster46 she grew up in a vast estate as an earl's daughter. Money was never what drove Diana's decisions. She dated a doctor, a security guard..etc It's clear all she wanted was to be loved.
I think she also truly loved him in the beginning, she was a teenager who had never been in love before and romanticized the idea of marrying a prince... unfortunately Charles totally took advantage of her innocence 💔
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 It wasn't Charles, he wanted out of the marriage, but it would've brought shame to the Royal Family. He was pressured to marry Diana. That being said, Charles could've done more.
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 Charles did not want any part of this marriage. He was clear about that. It was the Windsors, the Spencers, and Diana who worked hard to ensure the wedding happened. This should be a lesson for women everywhere. Never pursue a man who has no interest in you. Sometimes, he's just not into you.
I enjoy how they portrayed Prince Philip as Diana’s ally on the show. He was the only one who understood what she was going through and sympathized with her for it. Charles was so selfish and petty. He never appreciated or deserved Diana.
Charles was not jealous of Diana as some are claiming in here. He was furious. He thought this would be the moment of liberation at last for him, in which both would make clear to the queen that the marriage was a failure and had to end. He had written his set of demands for the separation and his plans were destroyed when Diana said that she wanted to save the marriage. For him, her (correct) decision was an atrocious insolence and mistake. It destroyed any chance of freedom for him. Now, regarding the queen and her husband’s focus on Diana and not on Charles: they are not stupid. It’s not like they think that Diana was to be blamed for everything. It’s because they knew that Charles would just complain and blame others and try the easy way out. When they saw Diana stepping in and making the correct call the royal couple saw best to ignore Charles and “force” him (by shaming him implicitly) into accepting Diana’s decision to save the marriage.
To be honest, I think that in this particular instance Charles was right. It's useless to try to make something work if one of the two doesn't want to. By telling the queen that she wanted to give it another shot she only prolonged their agony as a couple.
Maybe Phillip’s response should have been something else, maybe forcing people and pressuring them into situations they don’t want to be in is a recipe for ultimate disaster and no one will be happy
I love how well-crafted Phillip and Diana's relationship was in this show. They really captured the nuance of the two of them being outsiders together. I liked the subtext there, of how Phillip was always so supportive of her because he understood the strain of being the consort of a future monarch. Since watching Season 4, I've been under the impression that the foundation of Phillip's support of Diana was that unique understanding of her struggle (which he also faced early on, having to fight for his right to do anything and having to push to be heard) as well as a deeply rooted disdain for Charles' constant over-emotional whining. While he lucked out by marrying The Queen, who always tried her best to make him feel useful in his role and gave him opportunities, Diana had the misfortune of marrying a narcissistic, self-involved priss. I like to think Phillip gave her his support so that he could help her feel validated by someone, anyone, because he knew what it felt like to need that at one point and he knew that Charles simply wasn't capable of giving her that.
The real Diana never wanted a divorce. Despite all of Charles' cruelty, neglect and betrayal, she still loved him very much. Even after the divorce when Diana said she would return to Charles in a heartbeat and not just for the sake of Harry and William.
I have to laugh at people who think they KNOW what Diana thought and felt -- a woman they'd never met and clearly didn't know anything about. They get all their "knowledge" from the gossip rags and fictional rubbish they saw on "The Crown".
@Lady Gia Every single bit of this comment is wrong and plain stupid but I guess these things can't be helped. The problem with social medias is that every one thinks their opinions are as relevant and intelligent as any other
I think Charles mostly hated his suffocation and lack of choice. He wasn’t able to speak on he really felt because he wasn’t given a chance, no one cared. Diana did but she wouldn’t or couldn’t ask him to, not against the Queen. What was asked of them really was to keep putting up a charade for the Crown
It's sad that even after their divorce and the abuse she went through, when she was asked if she would go back to that thing if he asked, the poor princess said yes. 💔 Our Queen Deserved Better.
As well, she understood that he was, in his way, equally loving of their children as she was, and she did recognize that they had the potential of being quite the winning team in public--as she put it, "He could make the serious speeches and I could shake hands and kiss babies."
@@king-ib4vb : Oh SURE she did... That must be why she cheated on him only four years into their marriage with her bodyguard Barry Mannakee (a married man with children). The head of their security, who was THERE, says it was only after Charles learned of her betrayal that he went BACK to Camilla. (Hint: "The Crown" is fictional bullshit, not what happened at all.)
@@king-ib4vb : The head of their security was there. Were you? HE would know better than Diana's silly fans, who even now still "love" this woman they didn't even know anything about.
Charles was so dumb and did not respond anything, remained amused and watching all thoughtfullness of diana , again he got jealous of her. But he was also hurt inside and hurting diana as a rzlt.
i think that at this moment he just started hating her even more, hating the destiny and life he was born to and the duty he never asked for. I am not standing on his side, but this marriage and Diana's life could've been saved if only the Queen and the Family didn't force it
But that's the problem. Charles would have never been happy with Diana, because he didn't want to marry her. It looks like from the beginning, Diana had an obsession to meet Charles. But Charles was in love with Camilla...
@@Deborahtunes He married her because it was his duty i don't think that anyone back then would approve off Camila and he knew that. Diana was a little girl who had a crush on a prince and it was her dream sadly it became their nightmare. I think that she was trying to make the marrige work plainly because of the public and the family.
@@jelenajemec4044 ~ That's just it, after a while, I don't believe Diana cared. She thought that buy having a 3rd baby, it would take away her problems. But Charles didn't want another child. Which I can't say I blame him. Yes, I'm aware he was forced into the marriage with Diana. But you can't expect Charles to "truly" love someone that was pushed on him. The marriage was doomed from the start. Deep down, Charles knew it...
@@Deborahtunes If that's your argument then Charles has an infatuation for her that he chickened out of and when he has the time to cut it off like what he did to Diana's sister 2 years before he wouldn't be in this crap the problem was the man was weak weak as always Philip always said both here and irl through his letters with Diana that Charles is always lost dosent know what path to took on is this the kind of man you would want to be the monarch of 16 countries
Diana actually meant what she said here sure being married to Charles was hell for her but she said it herself in interviews that she thought that they would’ve been really great together if Camilla was out of the picture.
Would it really? Charles would have resented Diana for Camilla leaving and would off looked for a replacement. The public may look at the qualities Diana had but when a person seems "obligated" to stay in a marriage I don't believe it would go well.
@@zairagutierrez7538 i just don't think they had enough in common either. Diana wanted to go to parties and publicity events and perform. Charles wanted to live in the country and garden and patroon historical buildings. Chares was tertiary educated and Diana hadn't finished high school. Plus the big age gap.
I don't like the Duke of Edinburgh, but he definitely understood and empathised Diana's stance. Also, this was a clever play by Diana, although she wasn't happy, she knew that walking away and letting Charles just divorce her would simply mean that she could phased out and she wanted to do something with her attention and limelight.
Everyone talks about HIS "illicit relationship" -- with the woman he'd always loved but they wouldn't let him MARRY. What about Diana's many MORE illicit relationships? Like the six adulterous affairs she had, three of which were with married men? Don't forget about those!
@@cherylhulting1301 : Please try to keep up. His mother wouldn't let him marry the woman he'd always loved (and still loves NOW, we should notice), so out of "royal DUTY", he married the spoiled airhead he didn't love. The head of their security (who was THERE -- unlike the writers of that fictional rubbish called "the Crown") has said that Diana cheated on Charles only four years into their marriage. It was with her bodyguard, Barry Mannakee, who was a married man with children. The head says it was only *after* Charles learned of her betrayal of him that he went BACK to "Mrs. Parker-Bowles.
The irony is that Charles was the one who was shattered by Diana’s death. He insisted on going out to Paris to identify her body and arrange a formal return even though she was no longer technically a member of the royal family (though as mother of the future king she could never not be a member of that RF) . It was obvious from footage seen of him outside the hospital he’d been crying heavily.
@@melvawages7143 it wasn't even just her death. Diana said said herself they were quite close in her last year alive and they has the best relationship than they ever had
Elizabeth has been taught at a young age to be ruthless and always prioritize what really matters to the family, even though she's hurting his own children in the process. No matter how angry we are with Charles, and I don't stand for what he did to Diana, he's also a victim.
People keep saying "what he did to Diana". Which would be WHAT? Staying true to the woman he'd always loved but whom he was not allowed to marry? He married Diana out of royal duty, but he couldn't be forced to love her. People REALLY need to understand that things they saw on "The Crown" were not history, but were the imaginings of hack scriptwriters who were not there. Most of it is fictional RUBBISH.
the respect one needs to show the other party , blind eyes one needs to turn basically it is being explained to diana here very clearly that Charles will continue his affairs and you deal with it. GOD THESE PEOPLE
The final moment between Charles and his mother..you can see when the submission kicks in, when the Crown wins, as always. They're all servants to the Queen lol great acting
I don't really think people know what situation Charles was in. His parents NEVER cared about what he had to say, as long as everything went as they wanted it to. Even in another episode Elizabeth tells him that NO ONE cares about what he has to say, not the country and not his family. No wonder he ignored Diana after this, he clearly wasn't happy, he never was. This whole conversation is so shallow. No marriage can recover with just a 5 minute conversation. So this was the only thing he could do to stick it to all of them.
The Queen was telling Charles that no one wants to hear the personal opinions of the monarchy. To an extent, she's right. They are supposed to be politically and socially neutral, above changing affairs. I empathize with Charles in that situation. He's an intelligent man with passions who wants to leave a mark. But unfortunately this is the job.
CREDIT? She "did it" by having six different adulterous affairs, three of which were with married men. Charles should have been ALLOWED to marry the woman he loved in the first place -- the one he's STILL married to 19 years later. What did anyone think was going to happen, when he was forced to marry a woman he didn't love?
@@HookedOnSonics518 : Except that her friends say she had always wanted to be a "princess". She knew he loved Camilla, not her, but she married him so she could be photographed smiling and wearing pretty dresses she didn't have to pay for. He never loved her, so she slept around, having six extramarital affairs, three of which were with married men. And she cheated on Charles FIRST, according to the head of their security, who was THERE.
@@stevecarson4162That's not true. Diana didn't know that Charles had still loved Camila. She knew that they had been a relationship but she discovered the real truth when they were engaged. Regardless, the marriage was imminent and it couldn't be cancelled cause it was not something easy to cancel due the impact of the Royal Family could receive. Diana believed that Charles could forget Camilla but that not happened. They were still married not for love but duty to the Crown. That's the why the Queen Elizabeth didn't accept Camilla into the Royal Family.
@@bm.g8144 : You mean you don't know that Queen Elizabeth DID accept Camilla, when she finally realized that SHE was the woman her son had always loved -- and STILL loves now. She could see for herself what a mess it causes when DUTY and "royal protocol" meant he had to marry a woman he didn't love. And the fact remains that, according to the head of their security, Charles only went BACK to "Mrs. Parker-Bowles" after he learned of Diana's betrayal of him with her bodyguard, Barry Mannakee. And then of course, she went on to have at least six affairs, three of which were with married men. But people still slag QUEEN CAMILLA as "the mistress"?
History aside I actually feel SO awful for Charles (the character) in this scene. It’s his heart and marriage on the line too....he never even gets a chance to speak.
At least in this scene, Charles wanted to quit a situation in which he knew he couldn't love her or fulfil the commitment proposed. Again in this situation, he was denied a chance to break free. Nobody comes out of stifling social expectations wholly good or bad.
I guess you would stay in a marriage where the person constantly shows you that he doesn't love you?? Diana unwillingness to leave her marriage or just separate also brought her hefty consequences.
Diana spoke first, so the Queen addressed her first. She knew about Diana's affairs, so it's pretty reasonable to ask someone if they want to stay married in such circumstances.
People try to say Diana was very naive and didn't knew what she was doing or that he loved, the truth is this is all fiction and it's an interpretation of what might have happened, but history has told us that royal marriages to an prince or princess of Wales has always been very transactional and that both parties knew it, I'm sure that as young as Diana was she knew what she would get from it and her family also, in the series her grandma evens says her stay at Balmoral is the most important moment in her life, also the scene where she "meets" the queen in Buckingham palace is so inaccurate in portraying her as if she didn't knew how to address them, her family was no stranger to aristocracy, since her father was a Duke and they even knew the royal family from renting houses in their states
Diana was very naïve in the EARLY years of their marriage. By her mid 20's she had become jaded and accepted what Charles wanted; for her to take lovers to occupy herself to keep he rout of his hair while he was off with his mistresses. The problem was, Diana wanted more children. If not by Charles, by someone else. She wanted to remarry and that was taboo.
Phillip: She just said she'd turn a blind eye to your cheating and let you do what you want in order to make this work for the crown. What else is there to say?
A lot of people here are commending Prince Philip for shutting down Prince Charles. But for all parties concerned, he should not have shut him down. Had he let Charles speak his peace, he and Diana would have divorced and went their separate ways. Diana would probably be like Fergie, living just outside of the limelight, but living her own life. Hell, she probably would still be alive as the paparazzi would have lost interest in her and not chased her down some tunnel...
I feel bad for him too, he should not have marry to Diana in the first place. But its all could have been solved of Queen made some effort to change the rules which she did later. Sad!
The Queen is head of the Anglican Church. But it's on the bishops to change ecclesiastical law. A lot of correspondents here don't seem to get that there are limitations on the Queen's power too.
According to this scene, Diana was allowed to be idealistic and unrealistic, but Charles wasn't even allowed to speak. Again, according to this scene, Charles wanted to speak the truth, but his parents shut him down.
Wait a minute. I mean I despise Charles for all the abuse he inflicted upon Diana but it absolutely wasn't right to say "to say what? What more there is to say?" because even though Charles's voice is an irritating one you can't make a marriage work if only one side wants it to! It's dumb not to let Charles say his piece - I mean he is unhappy, prepared notes or letter or lists or whatever because he is 100% certain he doesn't want this marriage to work. So ignoring him makes no sense because it only prolongs the inevitable while hurting Diana even harder. I get that everyone hates Charles but for fuck sakes we're talking about HIS marriage. He gets a vote in his marriage. He is certain and prepare for ending this relationship yet he is denied the chance to speak. How is that in anyway right or fair? To him or Diana? It's an absolute horror and Philip (who also dislikes Charles lol) made an awful comment that can do no good in the long run. Basically Elizabeth and Philip are experimenting on humans and Diana is the subject. When Diana came to Elizabeth to ask for help she was denied. So was Charles. Yet they insist that the marriage goes on despite it hurting everyone involved. I mean Charles is an abuser. Why would you like to trap the victim even longer with the abuser? Just... no.
"All the abuse he inflicted upon Diana"? How on Earth would you know? Were you THERE? ("The Crown" is fictional rubbish, made up by people who weren't there EITHER.) And she cheated on him FIRST, only four years into their marriage, according to the head of their security who WAS there.
Actually this was the moment Charles needed to summon his courage and answer Phillip's question anyway. A marriage can't work if he's not wiling to go along.
@@cherylhulting1301 Yeah but he was way too weak for that. That's on him, but his parents knew who he was and that he wouldn't do what he should have done.
As they so artfully explained in how I met your mother, Camilla was on her husband's hook, Charles was on Camilla's hook, and Diana was on Charles's hook. And so we have a whole lot of misery.
The Queen asked if they were prepared to commit to do whatever it took. But, in fact, they had already vowed to do just that on their wedding day. Clearly, that didn't take.
As much as I understand and feel sorry for Diana, I also feel sorry for Charles who was forced to marry someone he did like but with a broken heart of not spending his life with the one he really loves. His soul was forced to love someone else, then his soul started hating the mother of his sons. We cant force anyone to love. I do believe he like Diana, but she was always so obsessed over him, obsessed by the idea of having his attention.... she did feel sorry for being in between Charles and Camilla, she knew he was still in love with Camilla but like she said several times and I agree with her that Camilla was the one harassing Charles. As soon as Charles had eyes on some girls, Camilla would contact him back. Camilla was already married, Charles had started to move on by going out with many girls, but Camilla kept contacting him in between. Did Camilla love Charles? Yes of course, but she was very selfish for not respecting herself, her own marriage, her kids and Charles' marriage. As for Charles, he was way too immature and underestimate himself to not be able to respect his own marriage. The royal should have try to stop Camilla to contact Charles. I guess saying the royal family have killed Diana is plain wrong, otherwise for the sake of Charles marriage they would have killed Camilla way before William comes in thid world. The royal cannot control everything and everyone. They have duties. Yes they are very powerful, but not to the point of wanting to erase people's life, they could but the Queen rather consult her family and doesnt mind other people's marriages or families business'.
OMG he spent his whole life pretty much with Camilla whenever he was not with his other mistresses. Camilla stayed at his estate during the week and Diana and the boys would come for only the weekend arriving on Friday afternoon and leaving Sunday afternoon. He NEVER gave up Camilla. Not when she married, not when he married.
Charles was the one who forced Diana into the divorce. She wanted to make the marriage work through the end but the saddest part of that was, she was the only side between the two of them, who was willing to make an enormous effort, while Charles, being Charles, was completely taken by Carmilla at this point. On the famous interview, (You can search it on youtube) Diana stated that she didn't want to have the divorce, because in her perspective, she knew so well, the pain of coming from a divorced family background. She loved him earnestly though it wasn't enough to keep him and their marriage alive. Being "unwanted" by the same man who married you, who you let be the father of your children, who you loved and loved to the point of depression...it is, a dreadful feeling and experience. Any woman who experienced this, would knew how deep of a wound, would make and scar on the soul.
Anybody not realizing what they're doing here is a little bit dense. Diana, Prince Phillip and the Queen is the bad people here. Of course after such "altruistic", "forgiving", "inspiring" speech you can not say anything, and that's a trap. They're intentionally forcing him into a situation where he has to oblige with their intent and incapable of refusal, because by saying anything otherwise, he would be a "mean" and "bad" dude. Despite those speeches, Diana never means what she says, otherwise she would be doing it instead of talking it. This is just an act to cover the whole thing and to deny responsibility for both sides. The supervisor criticize, the employee say they're sorry, both goes along but nothing changes. The stagnation of progress. Charles in the end ask whether he has a voice is not a question, it's a complaint. He's asking them, "Are you intentionally forcing me into doing this, despite knowing it's all fake and I'll continue to suffer?", and these "royalties" answered straight to his face. "Yes, we are asking you to do that, now shove it." Very royal-like.
Once again, Charles has no say so in his own life. Just as he did with the marriage to Diana. No wonder he was never devoted to that marriage, which he was forced into...
not as unfair as carrying on an affair the entire family including your mum disapproves of and emotionally abusing his wife through that. I guess that is enough of the say he gets. And unfortunately through his birth as a prince he ended up getting exactly what he wanted from a woman who knew exactly what she is doing.
Wow if this how it might have been. Bring up Dianas affairs to kind of roast her but yet Charles been having the affair with Camilla who is married all along and no one really batted an eye and he carried out so pubically. Diana who had a teen crush on Charles is pleading i want this too work too i will give everything i need too and stop the affairs she kind of asking and pleading with Charles would you please pay some attention to me love me. I am ya wife. Charles is such a whiny boy do i not have a voice in this and Phillip is like what is there to say for yourself. Notice he has the wedding ring and his isignai ring on the pinky finger not the middle finger and he fiddling with it it shows he was never really committed to the marriage, but he did leap up and say he wanted a divorce he just wanted to have it both ways but just ignore Diana and there sons to be selfish with Camilla. It was awful what they did to Diana in the press at the time they made her out to be unfaithful Queen wife when Charles been unfaithful to her the whole time. She is beautiful.
Diana Loved Charles And For Many Many Years Was Devoted To Making Their Marriage Work. Charles Was Already In Love With Another Woman, He Was Previously Involved With Before Diana. 😢😥😭
Diana had apologized to and proven her love for Charles again. If he is wise and loving enough to take her back, and have a restart, they can start everything new again in their marriage. Unfortunately Charles is still thinking about camilla.
The queen and Philip look at Charles like.. you will make this marriage work wether you like it or not. Poor Diana.. this family ruined her and ruined Harry and Megan’s.
@@gostephtaylor6432 Yes. That's what they are saying. But neither Diana nor Charles was listening. These were the stresses and strains of modernizing the monarchy.
It takes two to have a marriage. Just because one is willing to stay married and do the things it takes to stay married, doesn't mean the other person is willing to do the same thing. If one is not willing, even though they are still married on paper, they don't really have a marriage.
It would have been the kind thing to do in response to Diana's apology. They are both culpable. But Charles has clearly conflicting views here. He's somewhat touched by Diana's fear of his possible death in the avalanche. But he's also angry at her because he walked in with his list of demands for a separation, but knows he won't be able to present them after Diana's speech. He knows his parents don't actually want them to divorce, and he just lost his playing hand in the discussion, so to speak.
People want to be sympathetic to diana but she destroyed men's careers by having affairs several of whom were married themselves. Meanwhile Charles is still with the woman he had an affair with to this day.
Wasn’t Camilla married as well? Same discourse goes for Charles then. The difference is that Diana loved Charles with all her heart despite the hell he put her through since she was 19. Had he been a faithful husband, she would have never thought of laying eyes somewhere else. And she realized her mistake, stopped having affairs and tried once again to make the marriage work, yet he didn’t. What would you have done in her place?
ZC. Actual facts queen did care offered advice to save the marriage. But Charles reluctant. His face expression insisted that he wanted a divorce. He was selfish . He forget sbt the happiness of his sons. Disrespectful truly unforgiven. Dear Brits pls vote for William or his uncle Duke of Wessex will be crowned the next England king.
People really don't get that diana was manipulating the crown here. She told the queen what she wanted to hear so that if the marriage failed he not her would be blamed
Charles is always portrayed here as a pathetic, miserable loser. Still, I think if the Queen and Prince Consort had lavished as much love on their son as they do on their horses and dogs, he probably would have made a better husband too. Philipp in particular was said to have taken his frustration out on his sons about always having to walk three steps behind his wife and being subordinate to her.
I hate that the "respect" and "rules" comments were pointed towards Diana, as if it wasn't Charles who mistreated her from the very beginning, who started it all and who led to Diana slowly turning away from him, out of loneliness...
No, the Queen is looking at both of them in turn. She's laying it down for both of them, which is why Charles won't speak. In t he show he has no intention of giving Camilla up.
Funny when the Queen said right that’s it then! Completely dismissive of her own son’s feelings of misery. I shouldn’t have found it funny but I did! 🙈😂
Well, that's disputed. Actually "The Crown" suggests, more than once, that Prince Phillip did cheat on the Queen. That is why he looks guiltily at her when she says "blind eye." I don't have evidence he did, but that's the viewpoint of the show. But of course today we don't believe people shouid turn blind eyes to cheating in marriage. We consider cheating itself to be disrespectful. In the monarchy traditionally it was accepted that kings and queens had other lovers, since most were in arranged marriages. Being respectful meant keeping your affairs discreet so as not to publicly embarrass your partner. It was a little different with Elizabeth's parents, who did love each other, and with Elizabeth herself, who genuinely loved her husband. But Diana broke the mold because she loved her husband and wanted a real marriage and family life with him. He was not able to fully give her that.
I always suspected that Prince Charles wanted to have a closer emotional bond with his sons than he clearly had with his frosty father. No wonder, Prince William and Harry came out so well-adjusted despite the tragic death of their wonderful mother.
I love how Philip completely shut down Charles in this scene. He knew how selfish and immature his son was being behind closed doors and he didn’t want to hear it.
I wish he didn't shut him up.
Phillip was a navy man in his youth probably try to get charles in to royal navy in the 1970s to keep him away from Camilla all those years so she marry the other dude.
I like he shut him up too... But that was part of the problem in the first place. This marriage took place because no one respected the feelings involved and basically told everyone else to suck it up. While Charles is a jerk, all parties had a part in the downfall.
@@rachelsunqvist6430 I think you hit an important point here. It's worth remembering that his family pushed him hard into marrying her, even when he started having doubts. They also utterly ignored Diana when she tried to bring up her doubts to them. These two are in this scene doing what they have always done, only listened to to what they wanted to hear and then ignored or shut down anything that isn't what they want to hear. While Charles may be a spoiled brat, he still has the right to say he wants to leave a marriage he is unhappy with. Honestly that is a right that everyone should have. Honestly It would have been better for literally everyone involved had they at least let him say his peace. Even if he's being selfish, petty, whiny, spoiled, etc, allowing only one half of the marriage to speak at what essentially is a marriage intervention is a really terrible idea.
@@rooneytutoring exactly. He did tell her before the wedding that he did not love her. Elizabeth and Phillip were more or less an arranged marriage as well, they just handled it better. They probably honestly can't see what the big deal is about.
In no way am I taking a side, the whole situation was and is sad, just trying to view it from all parties minds.
I love what happens next: Diana stops seeing her lovers while Charles ignores her phone calls and keeps seeing Camilla.
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Yeah that prick
I mean this is a very dramatic portrayal of actual events. The tv show makes it out to be that Charles is completely wrong and Diana isn’t at fault whereas it’s not that simple both were wrong. They both made mistakes like humans do inevitably
Princess Diana was beloved by millions for her charming personality. At first, her public appeal was an asset to the royal family, but it quickly became an issue when she seemed better-liked than Prince Charles and the Queen. #AbolishTheMonarchy #RacistsRoyals
@@therockdwarfmockdwarf1476 she was the one trying to make it work that is the context from her book from the tapes of squidgy and heck even royal correspondences and historians agree
Charles complains about not having a voice because he's mostly all ears....lol
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OH MY GOD😂 best comment and roast
And she was gold digging. And anyone who believes this TV drivel missing facts is an idiot. Sad that kids don’t read up on facts.
@@zippyzipster46 she grew up in a vast estate as an earl's daughter. Money was never what drove Diana's decisions. She dated a doctor, a security guard..etc It's clear all she wanted was to be loved.
@@zippyzipster46 where are you getting this "factual" information? Because the fact is that there was zero percent golddigging
Diana did that for the love of their children, not Charles ..She is way thoughtful than him imo
I think she also truly loved him in the beginning, she was a teenager who had never been in love before and romanticized the idea of marrying a prince... unfortunately Charles totally took advantage of her innocence 💔
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 yup
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 It wasn't Charles, he wanted out of the marriage, but it would've brought shame to the Royal Family. He was pressured to marry Diana. That being said, Charles could've done more.
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 Charles did not want any part of this marriage. He was clear about that. It was the Windsors, the Spencers, and Diana who worked hard to ensure the wedding happened. This should be a lesson for women everywhere. Never pursue a man who has no interest in you. Sometimes, he's just not into you.
You never know what others are running from
Charles doesn't want a voice. He just wants to complain about not having a voice.
Why does this remind me of charlie barber and nicole lmao
@@catherinemartell2873 Glad someone got the reference. 😉
Great description of him... 💞
Hilarious lol
In the words of his mom, no one wants to hear it.
I enjoy how they portrayed Prince Philip as Diana’s ally on the show. He was the only one who understood what she was going through and sympathized with her for it. Charles was so selfish and petty. He never appreciated or deserved Diana.
He was also her ally in real life.They used to write to each other & she addressed him as “ Darling Pa”.
But why have I always heard they hated each other?
@@dreamsteddybearsmaster propaganda lol
yeah until he threatened her
I thought of it more as stern, fatherly advice. Philip knew what could happen to Diana if she walked away from the family.
Charles was not jealous of Diana as some are claiming in here. He was furious. He thought this would be the moment of liberation at last for him, in which both would make clear to the queen that the marriage was a failure and had to end. He had written his set of demands for the separation and his plans were destroyed when Diana said that she wanted to save the marriage. For him, her (correct) decision was an atrocious insolence and mistake. It destroyed any chance of freedom for him.
Now, regarding the queen and her husband’s focus on Diana and not on Charles: they are not stupid. It’s not like they think that Diana was to be blamed for everything. It’s because they knew that Charles would just complain and blame others and try the easy way out. When they saw Diana stepping in and making the correct call the royal couple saw best to ignore Charles and “force” him (by shaming him implicitly) into accepting Diana’s decision to save the marriage.
Excellent Analysis.
Great analysis
To be honest, I think that in this particular instance Charles was right. It's useless to try to make something work if one of the two doesn't want to. By telling the queen that she wanted to give it another shot she only prolonged their agony as a couple.
Philipp's response is what all of the people in the world are thinking actually......
YUP LMAO
Spoken like a wise father!
Well, I'm in love with another woman- is the elephant in the room that no one wants to hear
Maybe Phillip’s response should have been something else, maybe forcing people and pressuring them into situations they don’t want to be in is a recipe for ultimate disaster and no one will be happy
@@CaptainPikeachu Thats why it ended the way it did, because they forced there son into staying in a relationship he no longer wanted.
I love how well-crafted Phillip and Diana's relationship was in this show. They really captured the nuance of the two of them being outsiders together. I liked the subtext there, of how Phillip was always so supportive of her because he understood the strain of being the consort of a future monarch.
Since watching Season 4, I've been under the impression that the foundation of Phillip's support of Diana was that unique understanding of her struggle (which he also faced early on, having to fight for his right to do anything and having to push to be heard) as well as a deeply rooted disdain for Charles' constant over-emotional whining. While he lucked out by marrying The Queen, who always tried her best to make him feel useful in his role and gave him opportunities, Diana had the misfortune of marrying a narcissistic, self-involved priss. I like to think Phillip gave her his support so that he could help her feel validated by someone, anyone, because he knew what it felt like to need that at one point and he knew that Charles simply wasn't capable of giving her that.
You've analyzed the relationship well.
This actress is so like Diana even down to her voice & facial expressions
Emma spent a lot of time watching old footage of Princess Diana in preparation for the role.
The real Diana never wanted a divorce. Despite all of Charles' cruelty, neglect and betrayal, she still loved him very much. Even after the divorce when Diana said she would return to Charles in a heartbeat and not just for the sake of Harry and William.
Exactly, she loved charles until Is dead 😔
i get it he groomed her
I have to laugh at people who think they KNOW what Diana thought and felt -- a woman they'd never met and clearly didn't know anything about. They get all their "knowledge" from the gossip rags and fictional rubbish they saw on "The Crown".
she loved the fame and royal status more than charles.
@@michellepdf grooming an adult woman you're kidding me right. what adult woman lets herself get groomed. unless you know something about that.😂
“Good well thats that” “and say what?” 😂😂😂I love their reactions to an otherwise serious situation 😂😂😂
This season really did a good job at making me dislike Prince Charles
*princess
Lol exactly
@Lady Gia Every single bit of this comment is wrong and plain stupid but I guess these things can't be helped. The problem with social medias is that every one thinks their opinions are as relevant and intelligent as any other
@Lady Gia That's a 9 y-o kind of reply tbh
@Lady Gia "So much time" lol 10 seconds for each comment isn't exactly a lot
What an amazing ensemble of actors. Such good work. They all deserve the praise and awards they’ve received.
I think Charles mostly hated his suffocation and lack of choice. He wasn’t able to speak on he really felt because he wasn’t given a chance, no one cared. Diana did but she wouldn’t or couldn’t ask him to, not against the Queen. What was asked of them really was to keep putting up a charade for the Crown
It's sad that even after their divorce and the abuse she went through, when she was asked if she would go back to that thing if he asked, the poor princess said yes. 💔 Our Queen Deserved Better.
Because she always loved charles
As well, she understood that he was, in his way, equally loving of their children as she was, and she did recognize that they had the potential of being quite the winning team in public--as she put it, "He could make the serious speeches and I could shake hands and kiss babies."
@@king-ib4vb : Oh SURE she did... That must be why she cheated on him only four years into their marriage with her bodyguard Barry Mannakee (a married man with children). The head of their security, who was THERE, says it was only after Charles learned of her betrayal that he went BACK to Camilla. (Hint: "The Crown" is fictional bullshit, not what happened at all.)
@@stevecarson4162 so you have there?
@@king-ib4vb : The head of their security was there. Were you? HE would know better than Diana's silly fans, who even now still "love" this woman they didn't even know anything about.
This was the last British Royal Arranged Marriage.
Lol if you say so...
I guess they learner their lesson with this one😂
@@amishanahar7499 yeah that didn't go well
@@amishanahar7499 you think they would’ve learned that lesson the first time around
TBF, its as if there are other Royal Families worth marrying to that aren't their close relatives
Let's talk for a minute about the fact that the actor who plays Charles is too cute for that 😜
Hard to find someone that homely
Charles as a young man had a... unique look. All the poontang tossed his way in the 1970s was definitely solely due to his Prince of Wales status.
@@timothyhh A unique look, like Alfred E. Neuman (the guy from Mad Magazine for you young'uns).
all the actors in the show are way better looking than their counterparts, diana had a mighty schnoz in real life and elizabeth had buck teeth
Oh come on youve been complaining about this crap since season 3 well dominic west just got the role of Charles mate
Why does Philipp look so amused at the situation all the time? 😄
It was part of his character. Prince Philip and Princess Anne are portrayed as the sassy, sarcastic members of the Royal Family.
@@ShiningFriendship87 yes, I love it actually.
@@ShiningFriendship87 remembered his letter where he says he is not a marriage counsellor but he will try to help with Charles as much as he can 🙈.
Well Ethnically he is of German Royal Blood. Very stereotypical, that he is very monotone.
@@spatiumettempus5118 i thought he was greek.
Charles was so dumb and did not respond anything, remained amused and watching all thoughtfullness of diana , again he got jealous of her.
But he was also hurt inside and hurting diana as a rzlt.
i think that at this moment he just started hating her even more, hating the destiny and life he was born to and the duty he never asked for. I am not standing on his side, but this marriage and Diana's life could've been saved if only the Queen and the Family didn't force it
But that's the problem. Charles would have never been happy with Diana, because he didn't want to marry her. It looks like from the beginning, Diana had an obsession to meet Charles. But Charles was in love with Camilla...
@@Deborahtunes He married her because it was his duty i don't think that anyone back then would approve off Camila and he knew that. Diana was a little girl who had a crush on a prince and it was her dream sadly it became their nightmare. I think that she was trying to make the marrige work plainly because of the public and the family.
@@jelenajemec4044 ~ That's just it, after a while, I don't believe Diana cared. She thought that buy having a 3rd baby, it would take away her problems. But Charles didn't want another child. Which I can't say I blame him. Yes, I'm aware he was forced into the marriage with Diana. But you can't expect Charles to "truly" love someone that was pushed on him. The marriage was doomed from the start. Deep down, Charles knew it...
Here here!! Had they let him marry the girl he really loved 10 years earlier, Diana would still be alive today probably..
@@Deborahtunes If that's your argument then Charles has an infatuation for her that he chickened out of and when he has the time to cut it off like what he did to Diana's sister 2 years before he wouldn't be in this crap the problem was the man was weak weak as always Philip always said both here and irl through his letters with Diana that Charles is always lost dosent know what path to took on is this the kind of man you would want to be the monarch of 16 countries
Diana actually meant what she said here sure being married to Charles was hell for her but she said it herself in interviews that she thought that they would’ve been really great together if Camilla was out of the picture.
Would it really? Charles would have resented Diana for Camilla leaving and would off looked for a replacement. The public may look at the qualities Diana had but when a person seems "obligated" to stay in a marriage I don't believe it would go well.
@@zairagutierrez7538 girl your right! 😬😬😬
@@zairagutierrez7538 i just don't think they had enough in common either. Diana wanted to go to parties and publicity events and perform. Charles wanted to live in the country and garden and patroon historical buildings. Chares was tertiary educated and Diana hadn't finished high school. Plus the big age gap.
I don't like the Duke of Edinburgh, but he definitely understood and empathised Diana's stance. Also, this was a clever play by Diana, although she wasn't happy, she knew that walking away and letting Charles just divorce her would simply mean that she could phased out and she wanted to do something with her attention and limelight.
Why only Diana had to explain herself all the time and Charles never questioned about his illicit relationship 🙄...
They cut Charles off because they knew he'd make an ass of himself. I think they actually did him a favor
Everyone talks about HIS "illicit relationship" -- with the woman he'd always loved but they wouldn't let him MARRY. What about Diana's many MORE illicit relationships? Like the six adulterous affairs she had, three of which were with married men? Don't forget about those!
@@stevecarson4162 Charles was also married, bro. He's not a total innocent here.
@@cherylhulting1301 : Please try to keep up. His mother wouldn't let him marry the woman he'd always loved (and still loves NOW, we should notice), so out of "royal DUTY", he married the spoiled airhead he didn't love.
The head of their security (who was THERE -- unlike the writers of that fictional rubbish called "the Crown") has said that Diana cheated on Charles only four years into their marriage. It was with her bodyguard, Barry Mannakee, who was a married man with children.
The head says it was only *after* Charles learned of her betrayal of him that he went BACK to "Mrs. Parker-Bowles.
@@stevecarson4162 Be serious. Camilla was never out of the picture.
Never said anything in front of parents only try to break the marriage from behind
That ominous music at the end...
If that's a marriage I'll stay single thank you😱😱😱
The irony is that Charles was the one who was shattered by Diana’s death. He insisted on going out to Paris to identify her body and arrange a formal return even though she was no longer technically a member of the royal family (though as mother of the future king she could never not be a member of that RF) . It was obvious from footage seen of him outside the hospital he’d been crying heavily.
Guilt
@@melvawages7143 it wasn't even just her death. Diana said said herself they were quite close in her last year alive and they has the best relationship than they ever had
I think they were friends at the end and that was why he wanted to be there for her.
Finally someone objective and not one who has a black and white opinion of anything :)
Elizabeth has been taught at a young age to be ruthless and always prioritize what really matters to the family, even though she's hurting his own children in the process. No matter how angry we are with Charles, and I don't stand for what he did to Diana, he's also a victim.
People keep saying "what he did to Diana". Which would be WHAT? Staying true to the woman he'd always loved but whom he was not allowed to marry? He married Diana out of royal duty, but he couldn't be forced to love her.
People REALLY need to understand that things they saw on "The Crown" were not history, but were the imaginings of hack scriptwriters who were not there. Most of it is fictional RUBBISH.
the respect one needs to show the other party , blind eyes one needs to turn basically it is being explained to diana here very clearly that Charles will continue his affairs and you deal with it. GOD THESE PEOPLE
It was for both of them.
@@RFSJ You missed the point. She was willing to stop if he would. He wouldn't.
phillip had a point diana said everything that needed to be said
From her, his and the Queen's perspective. But not from Charles' perspective. He should at least be heard.
The final moment between Charles and his mother..you can see when the submission kicks in, when the Crown wins, as always. They're all servants to the Queen lol great acting
Screaming at the television: "SAY SOMTHING CHARLES"!!!!!! #COWARDICE
🤣. Me too. Here is your chance take it and run!
I don't really think people know what situation Charles was in. His parents NEVER cared about what he had to say, as long as everything went as they wanted it to. Even in another episode Elizabeth tells him that NO ONE cares about what he has to say, not the country and not his family. No wonder he ignored Diana after this, he clearly wasn't happy, he never was. This whole conversation is so shallow. No marriage can recover with just a 5 minute conversation. So this was the only thing he could do to stick it to all of them.
Errrmmm you do know that this is a drama hahaha it maybe halfway to the truth but not the entire truth.
The Queen was telling Charles that no one wants to hear the personal opinions of the monarchy. To an extent, she's right. They are supposed to be politically and socially neutral, above changing affairs. I empathize with Charles in that situation. He's an intelligent man with passions who wants to leave a mark. But unfortunately this is the job.
I give Diana enormous credit for being married to a man who was clearly in love with someone else. Not sure how she did it, I couldn't have.
CREDIT? She "did it" by having six different adulterous affairs, three of which were with married men. Charles should have been ALLOWED to marry the woman he loved in the first place -- the one he's STILL married to 19 years later. What did anyone think was going to happen, when he was forced to marry a woman he didn't love?
That "whatever in love means" line was the biggest red flag of all. She should have run away.
@@HookedOnSonics518 : Except that her friends say she had always wanted to be a "princess". She knew he loved Camilla, not her, but she married him so she could be photographed smiling and wearing pretty dresses she didn't have to pay for.
He never loved her, so she slept around, having six extramarital affairs, three of which were with married men. And she cheated on Charles FIRST, according to the head of their security, who was THERE.
@@stevecarson4162That's not true. Diana didn't know that Charles had still loved Camila. She knew that they had been a relationship but she discovered the real truth when they were engaged. Regardless, the marriage was imminent and it couldn't be cancelled cause it was not something easy to cancel due the impact of the Royal Family could receive. Diana believed that Charles could forget Camilla but that not happened. They were still married not for love but duty to the Crown. That's the why the Queen Elizabeth didn't accept Camilla into the Royal Family.
@@bm.g8144 : You mean you don't know that Queen Elizabeth DID accept Camilla, when she finally realized that SHE was the woman her son had always loved -- and STILL loves now.
She could see for herself what a mess it causes when DUTY and "royal protocol" meant he had to marry a woman he didn't love.
And the fact remains that, according to the head of their security, Charles only went BACK to "Mrs. Parker-Bowles" after he learned of Diana's betrayal of him with her bodyguard, Barry Mannakee.
And then of course, she went on to have at least six affairs, three of which were with married men. But people still slag QUEEN CAMILLA as "the mistress"?
And say what! What else is there to say?? 🤣🤣🤣😂
I love you Princess Diana.
History aside I actually feel SO awful for Charles (the character) in this scene. It’s his heart and marriage on the line too....he never even gets a chance to speak.
At least in this scene, Charles wanted to quit a situation in which he knew he couldn't love her or fulfil the commitment proposed.
Again in this situation, he was denied a chance to break free.
Nobody comes out of stifling social expectations wholly good or bad.
The queen says "the blind eyes......etc"and her husband looks at her feeling...guilty? That was very funny to me!😁
Charles here couldn't even say sorry to Diana here
Narcissists never apologises for anything!
I can’t believe how they addressed Diana. The Queens son is the main reason for the issues! The marriage he destroyed.
I guess you would stay in a marriage where the person constantly shows you that he doesn't love you?? Diana unwillingness to leave her marriage or just separate also brought her hefty consequences.
Diana spoke first, so the Queen addressed her first. She knew about Diana's affairs, so it's pretty reasonable to ask someone if they want to stay married in such circumstances.
diana set him up LMAO he was ready to let go of the marriage but she kinda in my opinion in this scene gaslighted him into staying.
I am the one who thinks that they both should have been allowed to separate it would be so easier and save their years of trouble
Is Diana implicitly being told to shut up about Camila yet not have any lovers herself?
Excellent acting on all parts. Thank you.
He wanted to say "I want out of this marriage."
Charles is a hypocrite
People try to say Diana was very naive and didn't knew what she was doing or that he loved, the truth is this is all fiction and it's an interpretation of what might have happened, but history has told us that royal marriages to an prince or princess of Wales has always been very transactional and that both parties knew it, I'm sure that as young as Diana was she knew what she would get from it and her family also, in the series her grandma evens says her stay at Balmoral is the most important moment in her life, also the scene where she "meets" the queen in Buckingham palace is so inaccurate in portraying her as if she didn't knew how to address them, her family was no stranger to aristocracy, since her father was a Duke and they even knew the royal family from renting houses in their states
Diana was very naïve in the EARLY years of their marriage. By her mid 20's she had become jaded and accepted what Charles wanted; for her to take lovers to occupy herself to keep he rout of his hair while he was off with his mistresses. The problem was, Diana wanted more children. If not by Charles, by someone else. She wanted to remarry and that was taboo.
MOM there is nothing else about passion,do your self and i appreciated
Phillip: She just said she'd turn a blind eye to your cheating and let you do what you want in order to make this work for the crown. What else is there to say?
Nice to have the wife's permission, isn't it?
A lot of people here are commending Prince Philip for shutting down Prince Charles. But for all parties concerned, he should not have shut him down. Had he let Charles speak his peace, he and Diana would have divorced and went their separate ways. Diana would probably be like Fergie, living just outside of the limelight, but living her own life. Hell, she probably would still be alive as the paparazzi would have lost interest in her and not chased her down some tunnel...
The point is they didn't want them to divorce.
I feel bad for him too, he should not have marry to Diana in the first place. But its all could have been solved of Queen made some effort to change the rules which she did later. Sad!
Diana should be bit careful before marrying Charles
As before diana
He was rooting in love with Diana’s elder sister
The Queen is head of the Anglican Church. But it's on the bishops to change ecclesiastical law. A lot of correspondents here don't seem to get that there are limitations on the Queen's power too.
Lol..the music gets louder...Diana would had been so proud of her son's!!!. 🌺🌺
No, she’d be horrified at the state of their relationship.
@@sookibeulah9331 They get along better than Charles and Andrew.
According to this scene, Diana was allowed to be idealistic and unrealistic, but Charles wasn't even allowed to speak.
Again, according to this scene, Charles wanted to speak the truth, but his parents shut him down.
Charles couldn't even speak. That says alot
He could have answered. But he knew he wasn't going to prevail. So he folded.
Wait a minute. I mean I despise Charles for all the abuse he inflicted upon Diana but it absolutely wasn't right to say "to say what? What more there is to say?" because even though Charles's voice is an irritating one you can't make a marriage work if only one side wants it to! It's dumb not to let Charles say his piece - I mean he is unhappy, prepared notes or letter or lists or whatever because he is 100% certain he doesn't want this marriage to work. So ignoring him makes no sense because it only prolongs the inevitable while hurting Diana even harder. I get that everyone hates Charles but for fuck sakes we're talking about HIS marriage. He gets a vote in his marriage. He is certain and prepare for ending this relationship yet he is denied the chance to speak. How is that in anyway right or fair? To him or Diana? It's an absolute horror and Philip (who also dislikes Charles lol) made an awful comment that can do no good in the long run. Basically Elizabeth and Philip are experimenting on humans and Diana is the subject. When Diana came to Elizabeth to ask for help she was denied. So was Charles. Yet they insist that the marriage goes on despite it hurting everyone involved. I mean Charles is an abuser. Why would you like to trap the victim even longer with the abuser? Just... no.
"All the abuse he inflicted upon Diana"? How on Earth would you know? Were you THERE? ("The Crown" is fictional rubbish, made up by people who weren't there EITHER.) And she cheated on him FIRST, only four years into their marriage, according to the head of their security who WAS there.
Actually this was the moment Charles needed to summon his courage and answer Phillip's question anyway. A marriage can't work if he's not wiling to go along.
@@cherylhulting1301 Yeah but he was way too weak for that. That's on him, but his parents knew who he was and that he wouldn't do what he should have done.
As they so artfully explained in how I met your mother, Camilla was on her husband's hook, Charles was on Camilla's hook, and Diana was on Charles's hook. And so we have a whole lot of misery.
The prince had a chance for freedom or atleast a chance to express himself turned down..i feel Sorry for him.
The Queen asked if they were prepared to commit to do whatever it took. But, in fact, they had already vowed to do just that on their wedding day. Clearly, that didn't take.
She's reminding them both of their vows.
As much as I understand and feel sorry for Diana, I also feel sorry for Charles who was forced to marry someone he did like but with a broken heart of not spending his life with the one he really loves. His soul was forced to love someone else, then his soul started hating the mother of his sons. We cant force anyone to love. I do believe he like Diana, but she was always so obsessed over him, obsessed by the idea of having his attention.... she did feel sorry for being in between Charles and Camilla, she knew he was still in love with Camilla but like she said several times and I agree with her that Camilla was the one harassing Charles. As soon as Charles had eyes on some girls, Camilla would contact him back. Camilla was already married, Charles had started to move on by going out with many girls, but Camilla kept contacting him in between.
Did Camilla love Charles? Yes of course, but she was very selfish for not respecting herself, her own marriage, her kids and Charles' marriage. As for Charles, he was way too immature and underestimate himself to not be able to respect his own marriage.
The royal should have try to stop Camilla to contact Charles. I guess saying the royal family have killed Diana is plain wrong, otherwise for the sake of Charles marriage they would have killed Camilla way before William comes in thid world. The royal cannot control everything and everyone. They have duties. Yes they are very powerful, but not to the point of wanting to erase people's life, they could but the Queen rather consult her family and doesnt mind other people's marriages or families business'.
I understood. I think I think like you about this story at all.
OMG he spent his whole life pretty much with Camilla whenever he was not with his other mistresses. Camilla stayed at his estate during the week and Diana and the boys would come for only the weekend arriving on Friday afternoon and leaving Sunday afternoon. He NEVER gave up Camilla. Not when she married, not when he married.
Charles was the one who forced Diana into the divorce. She wanted to make the marriage work through the end but the saddest part of that was, she was the only side between the two of them, who was willing to make an enormous effort, while Charles, being Charles, was completely taken by Carmilla at this point. On the famous interview, (You can search it on youtube) Diana stated that she didn't want to have the divorce, because in her perspective, she knew so well, the pain of coming from a divorced family background. She loved him earnestly though it wasn't enough to keep him and their marriage alive. Being "unwanted" by the same man who married you, who you let be the father of your children, who you loved and loved to the point of depression...it is, a dreadful feeling and experience. Any woman who experienced this, would knew how deep of a wound, would make and scar on the soul.
Anybody not realizing what they're doing here is a little bit dense. Diana, Prince Phillip and the Queen is the bad people here. Of course after such "altruistic", "forgiving", "inspiring" speech you can not say anything, and that's a trap. They're intentionally forcing him into a situation where he has to oblige with their intent and incapable of refusal, because by saying anything otherwise, he would be a "mean" and "bad" dude.
Despite those speeches, Diana never means what she says, otherwise she would be doing it instead of talking it. This is just an act to cover the whole thing and to deny responsibility for both sides.
The supervisor criticize, the employee say they're sorry, both goes along but nothing changes. The stagnation of progress.
Charles in the end ask whether he has a voice is not a question, it's a complaint. He's asking them,
"Are you intentionally forcing me into doing this, despite knowing it's all fake and I'll continue to suffer?",
and these "royalties" answered straight to his face.
"Yes, we are asking you to do that, now shove it."
Very royal-like.
Once again, Charles has no say so in his own life. Just as he did with the marriage to Diana. No wonder he was never devoted to that marriage, which he was forced into...
The episode when nobody cares about what Charles has to say!!! Poor man!
Absolutely
I know it s hard for diana but also hard for charles bcoz he s realy in love with camella and not to her. All three of them
Faced the hard times
Wow. How unfair. Doesn't he have a say.
not as unfair as carrying on an affair the entire family including your mum disapproves of and emotionally abusing his wife through that. I guess that is enough of the say he gets. And unfortunately through his birth as a prince he ended up getting exactly what he wanted from a woman who knew exactly what she is doing.
As the Queen alluded to he got his say when he made his vows 😐
Sad, isn't it?
They totally disregarded Charles. I understand his frustration in this situation and this marriage
Wow if this how it might have been. Bring up Dianas affairs to kind of roast her but yet Charles been having the affair with Camilla who is married all along and no one really batted an eye and he carried out so pubically. Diana who had a teen crush on Charles is pleading i want this too work too i will give everything i need too and stop the affairs she kind of asking and pleading with Charles would you please pay some attention to me love me. I am ya wife. Charles is such a whiny boy do i not have a voice in this and Phillip is like what is there to say for yourself. Notice he has the wedding ring and his isignai ring on the pinky finger not the middle finger and he fiddling with it it shows he was never really committed to the marriage, but he did leap up and say he wanted a divorce he just wanted to have it both ways but just ignore Diana and there sons to be selfish with Camilla. It was awful what they did to Diana in the press at the time they made her out to be unfaithful Queen wife when Charles been unfaithful to her the whole time. She is beautiful.
I agree
all the british people in the comments giving charles shit over diana even decades after her death
Diana Loved Charles And For Many Many Years Was Devoted To Making Their Marriage Work. Charles Was Already In Love With Another Woman, He Was Previously Involved With Before Diana. 😢😥😭
Diana had apologized to and proven her love for Charles again. If he is wise and loving enough to take her back, and have a restart, they can start everything new again in their marriage. Unfortunately Charles is still thinking about camilla.
A lot violence and bullied and abuse was on their marriage.
No wonder why Royals Families doesn't like this movie. Now we know how he treats Diana so disrespect.
The queen and Philip look at Charles like.. you will make this marriage work wether you like it or not. Poor Diana.. this family ruined her and ruined Harry and Megan’s.
the blind eye, the freedoms you must respect oh yeah Charles, you'll get away with the horse as always
In other words, just stay married and live your own separate lives discreetly.
@@gostephtaylor6432 Yes. That's what they are saying. But neither Diana nor Charles was listening. These were the stresses and strains of modernizing the monarchy.
Charles had to stop to ser Camila as well
It takes two to have a marriage. Just because one is willing to stay married and do the things it takes to stay married, doesn't mean the other person is willing to do the same thing. If one is not willing, even though they are still married on paper, they don't really have a marriage.
Isn’t Charles supposed to apologize?
It would have been the kind thing to do in response to Diana's apology. They are both culpable. But Charles has clearly conflicting views here. He's somewhat touched by Diana's fear of his possible death in the avalanche. But he's also angry at her because he walked in with his list of demands for a separation, but knows he won't be able to present them after Diana's speech. He knows his parents don't actually want them to divorce, and he just lost his playing hand in the discussion, so to speak.
Damn Diana was such a good woman
Charles looks like a nerdy kylo ren
You can't force love
People want to be sympathetic to diana but she destroyed men's careers by having affairs several of whom were married themselves. Meanwhile Charles is still with the woman he had an affair with to this day.
Wasn’t Camilla married as well? Same discourse goes for Charles then.
The difference is that Diana loved Charles with all her heart despite the hell he put her through since she was 19. Had he been a faithful husband, she would have never thought of laying eyes somewhere else. And she realized her mistake, stopped having affairs and tried once again to make the marriage work, yet he didn’t. What would you have done in her place?
Mehh not really James Hewitt was actually profiting from his exploits with Diana Barry Manakee died under mysterious circumstances
@@cloud2451that's why she screwed so many married men herself? She loved the idea of a prince but never the man Charles
if my son treated his wife the way he treated Diana, I would slap him upside his head myself.
to say what?...
OHHH WELL DONE , I THINK HE IS AWARE THAT HIS SON NEVER BECAME A MAN
Rip 🙂
Charles is just being a spoiled brat
ZC. Actual facts queen did care offered advice to save the marriage. But Charles reluctant. His face expression insisted that he wanted a divorce. He was selfish . He forget sbt the happiness of his sons. Disrespectful truly unforgiven. Dear Brits pls vote for William or his uncle Duke of Wessex will be crowned the next England king.
You clearly don't have a clue.
It's a monarchy... you don't vote for the next person.
Ridiculous of you to insinuate that the Queen will die any time soon.
I don't think u can vote, cuz it's the monarchy.
"You don't vote for kings."
--- Monty Python And The Holy Grail
Charles will be the future king and Camila will be treated as queen. Diana didn't deserve to die. They won the batlle.
after all that i was wondering what Charles was really going to say?
People really don't get that diana was manipulating the crown here. She told the queen what she wanted to hear so that if the marriage failed he not her would be blamed
I wonder how it happened in real life.
This counsel really happened in 1988 it was twice actually here and in 1991
@@inigobantok1579 True. But we just don't know what was actually said.
Did Charles expect to still be king if he ended the marriage or was he willing to relinquish it right then and there with his list of complaints?
Sweet girl. Diana truly tried.
Diana is litterly a Queen :(
Charles is always portrayed here as a pathetic, miserable loser. Still, I think if the Queen and Prince Consort had lavished as much love on their son as they do on their horses and dogs, he probably would have made a better husband too. Philipp in particular was said to have taken his frustration out on his sons about always having to walk three steps behind his wife and being subordinate to her.
I hate that the "respect" and "rules" comments were pointed towards Diana, as if it wasn't Charles who mistreated her from the very beginning, who started it all and who led to Diana slowly turning away from him, out of loneliness...
No, the Queen is looking at both of them in turn. She's laying it down for both of them, which is why Charles won't speak. In t he show he has no intention of giving Camilla up.
Funny when the Queen said right that’s it then! Completely dismissive of her own son’s feelings of misery. I shouldn’t have found it funny but I did! 🙈😂
Blind eyes??? Excuse Me? Easy to say when your husband never cheated on you
Well, that's disputed. Actually "The Crown" suggests, more than once, that Prince Phillip did cheat on the Queen. That is why he looks guiltily at her when she says "blind eye." I don't have evidence he did, but that's the viewpoint of the show.
But of course today we don't believe people shouid turn blind eyes to cheating in marriage. We consider cheating itself to be disrespectful. In the monarchy traditionally it was accepted that kings and queens had other lovers, since most were in arranged marriages. Being respectful meant keeping your affairs discreet so as not to publicly embarrass your partner. It was a little different with Elizabeth's parents, who did love each other, and with Elizabeth herself, who genuinely loved her husband. But Diana broke the mold because she loved her husband and wanted a real marriage and family life with him. He was not able to fully give her that.
I always suspected that Prince Charles wanted to have a closer emotional bond with his sons than he clearly had with his frosty father. No wonder, Prince William and Harry came out so well-adjusted despite the tragic death of their wonderful mother.
Yes. Diana said that in fact Charles was a good father.