I can and do forgive. I work on forgetting by either eliminating the offending party from my life, (who needs toxicity and drama?), or through discussion and prayer. Holding on to transgressions only harms my peace more and I’ve no time for that. I have a beautiful life surrounded by people who treasure and respect me as I do them. It makes life so much easier.
The policy of the royal family was / is Never apologise, never explain. This doesn't mean that misbehaviour is acceptable. It means that there never should be an occasion when either is necessary.
You could tell that the Queen admired Jackie as well, because it truly hurt her when she heard what Jackie had said about her. It also touched her when Jackie apologized her.
The Queens life was very rough at times, especially toward the end. Also being in a cage, most people wouldnt envy that. Jackie spent most of her life free as a bird. Far from perfect but most of her life was free.
@@mariegemma2465 A "Soprano's" reference. Anytime Christopher told someone to "have a seat" it meant that someone was going to sneak up on them and "whack" them. A mobster TV Show on HBO.
@@mangopilar that’s the way it is with all TV shows and movies based on real historical figures. All of it is true 100% BS and made up. Entertaining though. This scene was great.
@@bricktamNo he didn’t. There are people who said they think Jackie said this and that. That’s all. There’s no confirmation. There are rumors and gossip.
Claire was always my favorite 'stage' of Elizabeth. And whether or not this conversation happened in just this way, I imagine she nailed the mannerisms of the real Elizabeth II perfectly in such a situation.
Mannerisms of the late Queen?! I don't think so! She was rough, attacking the scones in a way that reminded me of the way I went at food as a 5 year old in a temper! I don't think her portrayal bore any relationship to Queen Elizabeth's personality.
Why would she? She comes into her home, acts like she likes her then says degrading things about her for attention at a party. Tacky. I’m sure the Queen is questioning if this is just some tactic to regain her reputation after embarrassing herself. I believe this is something “high society” in the US did at the time. Constantly pretending everyone is your friend and gossiping behind their backs. It’s probably still going on. But Jackie should have known better since she was no longer a socialite, she was a representative of the US.
@@robpolaris7272 I think she was actually being very honest and open; penitent and contrite. That is what is missing in people today. And if someone IS kind or apologetic, others are too quick to automatically assume its phony. Perhaps because people hardly do it anymore. It's widely known NOW that JFK was being injected with all kinds of drugs by the doctor now known as 'Doctor Feelgood.' But do you have any idea what it would have done based on 1960's attitudes if the Queen ever told what Jackie told her?
As someone old enough to remember Mrs. Kennedy's coverage in the media, I don't agree. She had such wide eyes that I read her glasses were custom made. Not a look that could be duplicated with makeup easily. As for the outfit here? Spot on--discreet but stylish.
The wardrobe for the character of Jackie Kennedy is deliberately tone it down against the bright yellow of The Queen dress, and the make up that underlines her paleness. She is in that room to posh with no strings attached.
I think Claire Foy was the best actress portraying the late Queen Elizabeth II in The Crown. She was able to reproduce that formidable glance the Queen gave to people when she was younger.
Whether it happened or not or it's just a storyline, when a person offers a sincere heartfelt fulsome apology it reflects well on the person and helps nurture forgiveness.
@@jdrancho1864 I don't think you grasp the point another person is making like you seem to think you do. Better to mind your own business rather than try to police other people's commentary like some self-important scold.
@@jdrancho1864 Originally (ca. 13th c.), "fulsome" just meant all-encompassing, comprehensive, entire. A few centuries later, it had gained the connotation of being excessive, and that connotation gradually superseded the original meaning. But the original meaning never died, and as the word faded from common use, both senses--"comprehensive" _and_ "sycophantic"--have survived into the modern day. It really isn't accurate to say that either one is more correct. Both have weight and value now, and context clues us in on whether the meaning is positive or negative. Purely from your response, you understood the context clues. Perhaps, instead of passing etymological judgment, it would be more productive to listen; perhaps, instead of dismissal of another, it would be more productive to question oneself and one's certainty. Or not. We're talking heads on the internet, after all. Still, kindness and a smile seem rather more important of late. It feels like we have far to little of either.
Elizabeth enacts her power really well. Windsor is her home, her turf and she exposes Jackie Kennedy to British tradition and systems with the marching soldiers, the servants, British food and tea. The fact that the servants respond to her at the drop of a hat. Then she proceeds to tell Jackie Kennedy, 'I'm sure what you said wasn't as bad as everyone's making it out to be, but even if it was, it doesn't matter much because we barely know each other and we're not friends.' BURN!
You're forgetting one thing. Jackie herself was raised well and her parents had servants and big houses. They also took tea regularly in the English way and tradition. That was the way of the upper classes in the U.S. back in the day. So I don't think that part of it phased her one bit.
The tiny, tiny island nation, far reduced from its former colonial glory. The tired old protocol of a much reduced royal office was all that the queen could muster to impose some modicum of authority. The island nation the size of Ohio.
@@retroguy9494 He's also forgetting that she was the Queen of considerably more than just the UK. The Commonwealth of Nations covers more land area than any other union of nations, covering some 21% of the total land area of the Globe, and the sum of it's GDP makes it one of the largest economic powers in the world. 'Reduced', sure, '...some modicum of authority.', now that is just ignorant.
I could never get into The Crown because I can't believe that Elizabeth was ever that dramatic. By all accounts she was serious about her duties, but always had a sense of humor.
@@jamesmcinnis208 Yes, though few in through for she is after all the crown and represents the long lineage of the overseers who govern and rule the countries of the UK.
I'm not sure if that is a true story or not, but, how Gracious of The Queen AND Mrs. Kennedy to have a frank conversation with dignity. Really, you would not expect anything else from them. Nice episode.
Its true that Jackie spoke out of turn, surprised that Elizabeth's wardrobe and hair styling were not more en vogue, Considering she was the Queen of England. And all the garbage that comes after appears made up out of whole cloth. Jack was Jackie's charm and culture as a real political asset. He fully expected and hoped h would be especially popular in Paris for good reasons. And all reports are that he was very pleased about the outpouring of enthusiasm for her. There's so much that's just made up here.. Even the timeline is impossible and years off.
@@thehair1474 Just because a TV show told you that doesn't mean it was true, particularly if no good historical evidence supports that theory. Charles resented Diana and become brutally emotionally abusive over it, though. We do have tons of historical evidence for that.
@@melissasaint3283 didn't get it from a TV show, lol. Virtually all of Washington knew JFK resented his wife and mentally, verbally, and especially physically abused Jackie.
She attacked that scone as if she were a demented 5 year old! Even my late mam, who was a true working class warrior, would have had a better sense of etiquette that this actress portrayed. I can't imagine our late Queen would have behaved in that manner.
Imagine having a guest visit you at your house. You ask them to sit down, and two men in red coats pull out the two chairs for you and your guest. You say, "Shall we have tea?" and two altogether different men in red coats pour the tea for you and your guest. And all you have to say to make all four men in red coats and an additional man in a black coat leave the room is to look at one of them and say "Thank you." Truly a minor display of the naked power of the Queen of England.
I saw Prince Charles meet a group of hikers on a trial and it ended in a similar way. He was wonderfully cordial but in the end he said something like "thank you" and they *all got the hint* and bid him good day and resumed walking. It was so classy on both sides.
It's not really power - it's protocol. I work in data communications - this is just having the servants and having a recognised set of signals to ask them to do certain things.
This scene is not about it at all. You're missing the point. Typically out of touch. The President of the United States has the same privileges at The Résidence His personal valet and all the staff "Serving" and the First Family. In this way, he is amother kind of monarch. But that scène was about "Forgiveness". Nothing else.
@@Boomer2304I disagree. The minute she arranged to have the meeting at Windsor Castle and the guards marching outside and the men on horseback...it was all meant to impress, even intimidate, so Jackie wouldn't dare make foolish comments about this second visit
@nassauguy48 It's clotted cream. And good to see that she put the cream on first. Her son may have bern Duke of Cornwall, but that's no reason for Her Majesty to follow that county's peculiar habits.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Think I read somewhere that the Queen did prefer the Cornwall method in real life, but the Devon method is depicted here either because it was Claire Foy's natural preference or that's how they rehearsed this scene.
@@makeitmakesense2616 Grace Kelly was not a blue blood; her father was an Irish American bricklayer who made a lot of money. She acquired her patrician accent when she became an actress and her family teased her about it. But she was gorgeous and classy and the posh accent suited her.
I aspire to one day obtain the same grace and composure Elizabeth had. There’s so much respect and admiration in how she presented herself to those who have hurt her
Yes, when she said for instance, I have learnt in my job not to take things so seriously. And that when a story is told and retold, it becomes more exaggerated. But she was also honest enough to say that it did surprise her those remarks, as she felt they had a really good first meeting.
One thing that I don't think was mentioned was that when they were arranging the state dinner in honor of the Kennedys they asked is there anyone you'd like us to invite. Jackie said yes, my sister Lee is living in London but Buckingham Palace wouldn't b/c Lee was a divorcee. Sounds dumb but it was 1961 or 62. I worked for a British company in.....2002 and the company news letter would list retirements, births etc well someone in accounts I new had just had a baby and I asked one of our auditors how come that employee's child's birth wasn't mentioned? He said oh not married.
In about 1960 my mother left her husband and filed for divorce. She had nowhere to go, but her mother (my grandmother) would not allow her to come home to Scotland because the scandal would have been too great. She was not allowed to come home until she had remarried (she married my father). Divorcees were of course not received at court but I am surprised by your story from 2002.
Both of these wonderful women are so under appreciated for all they went thru, and still were so elegant, kind, lovely spirit, so missed , both such a hole left.
Speaking calmly with a smile while aggressively preparing her tea and snacks. As if she is saying “Allow me now to butter your bread, Mrs. Kennedy”😊 And this is after a show of force with the army out on full display.😅
It's going to take me a long time to get over the hallucinations and delusions I suffered from meds following major surgery and a bad reaction to anesthesia. How frightening to think of nations being led by "cocktails" to pep powerful people up, calm them down, cheer them up. It can definitely lead to unexpected visions, experiences, and...mouths leading lives of their own.
If only leaders could afford to be seen looking weary, tired, sick... especially in that period in time the wife of the leader had to always seem perfect. (Oh you can look and sound "older" if you ARE, but even then you're expected to be a "'sprightly" "feisty" kind of old.)
I find it hard to believe Jackie would have spilled all that personal info to the queen, about herself and the president and whatever they were being injected with.
I have read many biographies of Jacqueline Onassis. I am not saying it didn’t happen, but this is completely out of character for her. But who really knows.
Our late Queen balanced so much in her life, from a young age. Our late Queen was the original trailblazer for women coming into their own. A true woman of substance, duty, self-sacrifice and decency and incredible love for her people. Great Respect to an amazing woman who led the British Royals into the new age.
chileee😲... the way the Queen was spreading that butter and jam on that scone as if she was saying... "how dare you talk about me beetch"... like did y'all see how the Queen bit that scone as if she wanted to slap mrs. Kennedy.😂 I wonder if their lil chat was forreal🤔😂
@@steveboudreaux7933 I heard about this. As I recall it may have been when she criticized her clothes, her intellect and Buckingham Palace. Someone who watched this program should be more precisely accurate. Anyway, for a person of importance, as a First Lady is, she should not have spoken at a dinner/party as she did - whether true or not, or only her opinion.
It is the third time I watch this scene, but for the first time I am kind of interested in Jackie Kennedy's state of mind. She seems like an interesting personality. 🤔
She was an interesting personality and very intelligent. She absolutely hated the invasion of her privacy; during the post- White House Years. She was also very fearful after the JFK, RFK and the Martin Luther King assassinations. Ithink the need for her and the children to have physical and financial security drove her to marry Aristotle Onassis. He married Jackie for her fame and social connections to rich Americans JFK did not leave her hardly any money. Her father was broke/dead(?) Her step-father told both Jackie and Lee as well as their step-brother, Gore Vidal, that they were not being left money. Joe Sr. and Rose Kennedy left all of their money equally to all of their grandchildren as well as some money to a few charities. While their children were alive; they were generous to them; but favored the sons
your absolute correct- well said. Few understand that. Jackie never had to worry over a car payment but worried her children could be kidnapped or worse was an issue. I'd have married King Kong to save life of my children . Most thought she married him out of greed for $ - it was a safety issue & until his son died/ it worked.
@Peach-y8b The scene, yes. But these glances at how is she as a person match things I read about her before. That she seemed like a very outspoken person when in reality she was not a people person, with many conflicting thougts because of aspects in her personal life. I personally never felt interest on learning about Jackie, i mean, she was first lady of another country. But now I am interested.
@@tonyktown thanks Tony. Yeah, from what I've seen in bits and pieces, the factual data is pretty limited. Having lived from 1964 - present and a history/poli sci major (spelled: addict), it's why I want to watch it start to finish. :-)
I find this scene super interesting. This episode portrays Jackie as deliberately charming everyone around her in the way she thinks will be most effective. With the queen, she sees someone who's insecure in glamorous Jackie's shadow. So she talks about how shy she feels, how insecure, how out of place. The queen thinks they've bonded, but in fact Jackie's actually judging her the entire time--and those judgments come out later. Maybe she was under the influence when they did come out, but she had to have thought them up on some level or other in order to have given them voice. In this scene, when she goes to apologize, she does it as vulnerable, out-of-place, looking up to the queen as everything she 'wishes she were.' Elizabeth totally fell for it, acting guilty later on that she didn't respond by baring her own insecurities and her own admiration for Jackie. In reality, if Elizabeth had groveled the way she later said she should have, Jackie's track record goes to show that she'd take that as an ego boost and continue looking down on the queen. Jackie's vulnerability in this episode is a means to an end of manipulating/charming the queen, and it works. Edit to add: I just finished rewatching this episode, and it's apparent that the queen recognizes Jackie's manipulations when she sees that Jackie hasn't changed out of her bloody clothes. She realizes how good Jackie is at playing the game. And she decides to play it, too, by honoring JFK above and beyond what custom demands. You can see that she's fuming the entire time that she's making those choices.
Yet Jackie decorated the white house in European style and was her preferred escape from the US. Let us not forget Jackie was a human being governed for some time under the Kennedys empire. Her husband is heavily under the influence of steroids and opiates
It's wild that they showed JFK being jealous of Jackie, as if he didn't encourage her to charm foreign countries with her knowledge of history and fluency in multiple languages as a way to make himself look better as President. He knew full well what an asset she was to his image to other countries.
Whether or not this actually took place, what it does show is an example of a time when people in office held themselves to a standard of behavior that is too rare today.
Is it weird that I like the formality of tea with the Queen's staff? Sliding the chairs out and pouring the tea for the Queen and the First Lady......it's so simple yet elegant...
My Queen was a stable individual over 70 years. That constant, while presidents, prime ministers, dictatorships and republics came and went. We always had the queen to rely on.
Jacqueline Onassis was one of the most photographed women in the 60s and 70s. So, why is it in every depiction of the woman they get the hairstyles and voice wrong? The same can be said of Queen Elizabeth at this point in time.
I believe they missed the most important leadup to this scene, where Jackie Kennedy is walking past the old halls of the castle, knights and the Household Cavalry.
@@timhazeltine3256 Well, of course not. I meant the reproduced spot. Take a look at this recreated location and compare with the Pennington Bear video. They're very similar.
@@timhazeltine3256That is not what was said. The point still stands. You are unnecessarily nasty to someone making an innocent and sweet reference. Why?
JFK had problems with infidelity but the idea that he was verbally or physically abusive to Jackie appears to have no Asia in anything. Indeed, he was an astute politician and proud of his wife's culture, charm and accomplishments...all the evidence I've been seen is that he was pleased she was such a hit in Paris -- it was specifically hoped for, as she grew up bilingual, and at tended the Sorbonne and spent time living in Paris before she married....he named her childhood dog after Charles de Gaulle! Its strange that the writers would make this up ou of whole cloth. It almost seems calculated to eacho Charles' intense jealousy of Diana's popularity when they began to travel, and his all too real emotional and verbal abuse...as to downplay it by comparison. But since these are real human beings, it seems unfair to falsely depict them in such a brutal light merely to form them into a foil fo the King of England. (The timeline is way off as well....they visited. Ot weeks or months but literally years before Kennedy's assassination)
That she was given a chance to apologize says so much about the queen, that Jackie is the type of person who can apologize says everything about her. Two great women
This is dripping with artistic liberties. I don’t believe Jackie could ever be given any amount of drug as to become so bereft of politesse, or that the Queen would sit there for this long an explanation. Even if the assignation HAD taken place as suggested. Neither of these is likely.
I agree, and their characters are bizarre as well. Its like a bad sleazy reenactment, which is clearly in the writing so I wont be too judgemental of the acting. The actress isn't bad. She just doesn't look at all like Jackie Kennedy, and her spilling all this info to the Queen over tea is equally out of character. This scene makes it seem like Jackie was a messy junkie desperate for the Queens approval. Huh? wtf even is this scene
If Jackie had indeed been drunk when she said those things, I'm sure that factoid would have gotten back to Elizabeth as well. Doesn't excuse the behavior or the comments, but does explain them in a more understandable way.
The scene suggests she wasn't just drunk, and obviously the queen of the United Kingdom is pretty familiar with drunk people, but that she was actually probably high.
News was different then. Jackie was their princess and they would tell anything to make her look good. She was horrible to the queen, sly put downs, when they first met. So why would the queen sink to her level?
World leaders and foreign royals have been calling Buckingham Palace a disgusting pig sty for hundreds of years. Even today there are tourists claiming it smells like piss and I've worked with contractors that say most of the property is in horrid shape, smells like ass and looks like it hasn't been well kept in ages. Why is it so offensive for Jackie to say it when the Queen wasn't even in the room?
The scene actually begins with troops marching/riding (?) by & Jackie being led up the grand staircase past posted guards. All in full traditional regalia. 😂
Thank heavens! Firm jam first, soft, fluffy cream on top…like any SENSIBLE person. 😀👍 Even us uncouth Aussies know that! I was worried when I saw that, but it IS only tv, after all.
I can't imagine Jackie telling the Queen that the man with the hand on the nuclear button is stoned most of the time. The Queen is the British head of state and she certainly would have passed that info on to British intelligence. Jackie couldn't have been that naive or dumb.
I was trying to find out if any of this was actually historically accurate and ended up getting sucked into a bunch of Jackie Kennedy documentaries. The closest I came to the truth is that Jackie was completely unimpressed with England and the Queen and made no secret of it. She was very modern and well educated after all so she looked down on this whole thing (she was also very judgmental and often ruthless in the way she sized people up). As far as I know she made absolutely no apologies for any comments or opinions she had on the monarchy, in fact she could care less what these people thought of her, since she considered them so outdated and irrelevant.
Since there were only two people in the room - and neither of them ever gave accounts of anything remotely resembling this scene - I think we can describe it as poorly conceived fan fiction of some kind. 🙄
The Queen obviously had ambivalent feelings as to how to react to Jackie's explanation. I am sure that she understood how Jackie was inebriated by whatever was given to her, but to what extent did she believe that the truth about how one feels all comes out when they are under the influence?
@@aussiekat6379There are two ways to put the cream on a scone. Cornish is jam first, cream second. Devonshire is the other way around. I'm from Devon, so that's what I noticed.
@@siankinrade1994 nope in Australia it’s jam first then cream well it’s been that way as far as I can remember it’s how my great grandparents etc alway served it.. I guess it’s up to the individual how they like it.
That last look on queen's face says it all. The words of praise gave her nothing but emptiness... i wonder though, had Jackie approached the apology differently, rather than saying "oh you are so amazing, you are so inspiring" would it have turned out differently?
Are you a person that can forgive and forget?
no
No im bloody not
I could, especially if one has a very good explanation of why they did what they did like Mrs. Kennedy gave.
That is a big NOPE! I wish I could, but I still wanna bitch slap my sister-in-law for something she did 15 years ago! 😂
I can and do forgive. I work on forgetting by either eliminating the offending party from my life, (who needs toxicity and drama?), or through discussion and prayer. Holding on to transgressions only harms my peace more and I’ve no time for that. I have a beautiful life surrounded by people who treasure and respect me as I do them. It makes life so much easier.
It’s scenes like this that remind me of how much World history the Queen experienced during her reign…how many world rulers came and went in her time.
There is a President Reagan movie coming out!
She reigned thru 12 or 13 US presidential administrations, and who knows how many PM's. RIP E2R.
You do know this never happened ?
@@gc3847 Are you having trouble reading the comment you replied to?
@@th0m4xs70 No ,im pointing out that this is not factual.
The best acting with Foy is when she does nothing or says nothing, it's all in the eyes and body language, it's genius.
She is brilliant.
She was amazing in this role!
She was the best Queen in the show and saying this as a Olivia Colman fan.
@@menchualcarazmoreno1743 Well said. I agree with you. She is the best even though Colman rocks, hands down. :)
@@menchualcarazmoreno1743 Olivia Colman is just like Viola Davis... a lot of buzz and overrated comments, but average delivery in most of their acting
"No need to apologize." *aggressively butters a scone* I dont know why but it made me laugh
Clotted cream. Never put butter on scones. It's a no no.
The policy of the royal family was / is
Never apologise, never explain.
This doesn't mean that misbehaviour is acceptable. It means that there never should be an occasion when either is necessary.
@@einezcrespo2107 what is clotted cream and what else do you use it for in britain? :0 ty in advance
@@serenitysfirefly it's pure heaven. That's what it is. I'm American and I actually make my own. 😊
@@einezcrespo2107 thank you. I came here to say it but you said it for me. 😊
You could tell that the Queen admired Jackie as well, because it truly hurt her when she heard what Jackie had said about her. It also touched her when Jackie apologized her.
Jackie was nasty to many people. Even worse when she was drunk.
You know this is scripted and not a documentary, right?! Lol!
@@SandySaunders9142 yeah, no shit.
@@SandySaunders9142 save your breath Sandy ,they havent a clue.
@@gc3847who hurt you so much that it would bother you when people comment on a show? Why are you even here?
Claire Foy had a well deserved Emmy for this episode of The Crown. She is so expressive even with no dialogue. It's all in her face and her eyes.
Very few actors have that talent. Class act is Claire Foy.
For me it's her walk - very country woman dog walker - i.e. the late HM QE II.
When you find out the person you are envious of has a worse life than you.
My grandma told me, you never know what hell someone else lives
Being a woman in the Kennedy family was a ticket to Hell.
The Queens life was very rough at times, especially toward the end. Also being in a cage, most people wouldnt envy that. Jackie spent most of her life free as a bird. Far from perfect but most of her life was free.
At least the Queen was in charge. Jackie had to bow to and contend with a rambunctious family with the morals of lizards.
@@nassauguy48 LMAO facts
.... "Mrs. Kennedy, do sit down".... That line... I'd be praying to all the gods up above to save me 😂😂😂😂
Well, it wouldn't be as bad as hearing Christopher Moltisante say, "Have a seat."
Uh that’s just a very common British thing to say to a guest
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont why? Who is this guy ?
@@mariegemma2465 A "Soprano's" reference. Anytime Christopher told someone to "have a seat" it meant that someone was going to sneak up on them and "whack" them. A mobster TV Show on HBO.
@@leonardoo.7005So? We’re not British, thank God. UA-cam is an AMERICAN invention and platform. So shut up.
I love that the Queen was pissed and is showing Jackie true power with her guards and the way the servants all bailed with a simple "thank you"
They both showed so much class in their handling of that uncomfortable situation. Especially the Queen.
Class and that american hussy? Please!
I know it's a load of fictional tosh, but the acting is superb. Claire Foy is exceptional.
Unfortunately, we will never know, what really happened between them.
@@mangopilar that’s the way it is with all TV shows and movies based on real historical figures. All of it is true 100% BS and made up. Entertaining though. This scene was great.
Peter Morgan did confirm that Jacqueline Kennedy said some harsh words about Elizabeth II and he dramatized that here.
@@bricktamNo he didn’t. There are people who said they think Jackie said this and that. That’s all. There’s no confirmation. There are rumors and gossip.
@@bbybella9937right? They were dying to pit two women against each other
Claire was always my favorite 'stage' of Elizabeth. And whether or not this conversation happened in just this way, I imagine she nailed the mannerisms of the real Elizabeth II perfectly in such a situation.
Mannerisms of the late Queen?! I don't think so! She was rough, attacking the scones in a way that reminded me of the way I went at food as a 5 year old in a temper! I don't think her portrayal bore any relationship to Queen Elizabeth's personality.
Elizabeth looks suspiciously at Jackie all through the scene. She doesn't trust her. Claire Foy is simply amazing!
and immediately softens when Mrs Kennedy mentions her post-natal depression.
ER sees JK is being fulsome & honest near the end. Who would say such things just to heal an unimportant relationship?
Forgiving and making nice is good, but trusting somone who has cut you would be foolish.
Why would she? She comes into her home, acts like she likes her then says degrading things about her for attention at a party. Tacky.
I’m sure the Queen is questioning if this is just some tactic to regain her reputation after embarrassing herself.
I believe this is something “high society” in the US did at the time. Constantly pretending everyone is your friend and gossiping behind their backs. It’s probably still going on. But Jackie should have known better since she was no longer a socialite, she was a representative of the US.
@@robpolaris7272 I think she was actually being very honest and open; penitent and contrite. That is what is missing in people today. And if someone IS kind or apologetic, others are too quick to automatically assume its phony. Perhaps because people hardly do it anymore.
It's widely known NOW that JFK was being injected with all kinds of drugs by the doctor now known as 'Doctor Feelgood.' But do you have any idea what it would have done based on 1960's attitudes if the Queen ever told what Jackie told her?
Jodi Balfour certainly has Jackie's voice exactly right, such a shame that the wig, makeup and costume departments let her down so badly.
As someone old enough to remember Mrs. Kennedy's coverage in the media, I don't agree. She had such wide eyes that I read her glasses were custom made. Not a look that could be duplicated with makeup easily. As for the outfit here? Spot on--discreet but stylish.
@@loveisall5520 I find her character unlikeable...the Queen has more class
What?? She looked amazing
@@robcrisall787 Yeah, no accounting for some people's taste. Our women should dress so well these days.
The wardrobe for the character of Jackie Kennedy is deliberately tone it down against the bright yellow of The Queen dress, and the make up that underlines her paleness. She is in that room to posh with no strings attached.
I think Claire Foy was the best actress portraying the late Queen Elizabeth II in The Crown. She was able to reproduce that formidable glance the Queen gave to people when she was younger.
Hear hear to that❤
Whether it happened or not or it's just a storyline, when a person offers a sincere heartfelt fulsome apology it reflects well on the person and helps nurture forgiveness.
fulsome: complimentary or flattering to an excessive degree.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
@@jdrancho1864 I don't think you grasp the point another person is making like you seem to think you do. Better to mind your own business rather than try to police other people's commentary like some self-important scold.
@@jdrancho1864 Originally (ca. 13th c.), "fulsome" just meant all-encompassing, comprehensive, entire. A few centuries later, it had gained the connotation of being excessive, and that connotation gradually superseded the original meaning. But the original meaning never died, and as the word faded from common use, both senses--"comprehensive" _and_ "sycophantic"--have survived into the modern day. It really isn't accurate to say that either one is more correct. Both have weight and value now, and context clues us in on whether the meaning is positive or negative.
Purely from your response, you understood the context clues. Perhaps, instead of passing etymological judgment, it would be more productive to listen; perhaps, instead of dismissal of another, it would be more productive to question oneself and one's certainty.
Or not. We're talking heads on the internet, after all. Still, kindness and a smile seem rather more important of late. It feels like we have far to little of either.
Forgiveness is a gift we give ourselves.
@@teacup.demitasse and let an inaccurate, misguided comment stand??
Never!
Elizabeth enacts her power really well. Windsor is her home, her turf and she exposes Jackie Kennedy to British tradition and systems with the marching soldiers, the servants, British food and tea. The fact that the servants respond to her at the drop of a hat. Then she proceeds to tell Jackie Kennedy, 'I'm sure what you said wasn't as bad as everyone's making it out to be, but even if it was, it doesn't matter much because we barely know each other and we're not friends.' BURN!
You're forgetting one thing. Jackie herself was raised well and her parents had servants and big houses. They also took tea regularly in the English way and tradition. That was the way of the upper classes in the U.S. back in the day. So I don't think that part of it phased her one bit.
The tiny, tiny island nation, far reduced from its former colonial glory. The tired old protocol of a much reduced royal office was all that the queen could muster to impose some modicum of authority. The island nation the size of Ohio.
@@orionultima If you're talking just England and not the entire United Kingdom, then it would be closer in size to New York State, not Ohio.
@@retroguy9494 He's also forgetting that she was the Queen of considerably more than just the UK. The Commonwealth of Nations covers more land area than any other union of nations, covering some 21% of the total land area of the Globe, and the sum of it's GDP makes it one of the largest economic powers in the world. 'Reduced', sure, '...some modicum of authority.', now that is just ignorant.
@@orionultima Quality over quantity
At least we have some class on this island the size of "Ohio"
I could never get into The Crown because I can't believe that Elizabeth was ever that dramatic. By all accounts she was serious about her duties, but always had a sense of humor.
Claire does a good job with the queens accent
Yes, it's good. I haven't seen the series, but from the clips I've seen, she seems quite hard. Do they show her in any softer moments?
@@jamesmcinnis208 very much so
@@jamesmcinnis208 Yes, though few in through for she is after all the crown and represents the long lineage of the overseers who govern and rule the countries of the UK.
@@WitchKing-Of-Angmar Sorry, I don't know what "few in through" means.
Quite......
I'm not sure if that is a true story or not, but, how Gracious of The Queen AND Mrs. Kennedy to have a frank conversation with dignity. Really, you would not expect anything else from them. Nice episode.
Its true that Jackie spoke out of turn, surprised that Elizabeth's wardrobe and hair styling were not more en vogue,
Considering she was the Queen of England.
And all the garbage that comes after appears made up out of whole cloth.
Jack was Jackie's charm and culture as a real political asset. He fully expected and hoped h would be especially popular in Paris for good reasons. And all reports are that he was very pleased about the outpouring of enthusiasm for her.
There's so much that's just made up here..
Even the timeline is impossible and years off.
@@scottvernon7347 one day I hope to sit down and see this saga! I haven’t seen a thing but clips ! And they are fantastic!😝😝😝
@@melissasaint3283 he was NOT thrilled. He resented her for it.
@@thehair1474 Just because a TV show told you that doesn't mean it was true, particularly if no good historical evidence supports that theory.
Charles resented Diana and become brutally emotionally abusive over it, though. We do have tons of historical evidence for that.
@@melissasaint3283 didn't get it from a TV show, lol. Virtually all of Washington knew JFK resented his wife and mentally, verbally, and especially physically abused Jackie.
What a perfect delivery on the buttering of the scone and her delivery line - perfectly done
That's not butter 😉
@@julidekavak5639 the line was delivered perfectly, is that jam? I’m from the south you lucky I didn’t say biscuit. 😂😂😂😂
She attacked that scone as if she were a demented 5 year old! Even my late mam, who was a true working class warrior, would have had a better sense of etiquette that this actress portrayed. I can't imagine our late Queen would have behaved in that manner.
Claire Foy’s performance is flawless. QEII ❤️
She was the hands down best of the three. I kept going back to the series to watch her rather than how the story line would play out.
E2R
Imagine having a guest visit you at your house. You ask them to sit down, and two men in red coats pull out the two chairs for you and your guest. You say, "Shall we have tea?" and two altogether different men in red coats pour the tea for you and your guest. And all you have to say to make all four men in red coats and an additional man in a black coat leave the room is to look at one of them and say "Thank you." Truly a minor display of the naked power of the Queen of England.
I saw Prince Charles meet a group of hikers on a trial and it ended in a similar way. He was wonderfully cordial but in the end he said something like "thank you" and they *all got the hint* and bid him good day and resumed walking. It was so classy on both sides.
It's not really power - it's protocol.
I work in data communications - this is just having the servants and having a recognised set of signals to ask them to do certain things.
I prefer to live free 😅no need for someone to pour the tea for me … freedom is priceless 🙏🏻
This scene is not about it at all. You're missing the point. Typically out of touch. The President of the United States has the same privileges at The Résidence His personal valet and all the staff "Serving" and the First Family. In this way, he is amother kind of monarch.
But that scène was about "Forgiveness". Nothing else.
@@Boomer2304I disagree. The minute she arranged to have the meeting at Windsor Castle and the guards marching outside and the men on horseback...it was all meant to impress, even intimidate, so Jackie wouldn't dare make foolish comments about this second visit
I like the reaction of the actress playing the Queen when she realizes that Jackie is just a person too who can hurt inside ...
Her literal words and her body language tell very different stories. Brilliant!
Sometimes scenes come together really well. Here's a good example.
I liked the angry scone dressing. Unrealistic, as she wouldn't have tipped her hand like that, but very funny to witness.
She wouldn't have had the scone before the sandwiches either.
Man, she liked a lot of butter!
@nassauguy48 It's clotted cream. And good to see that she put the cream on first. Her son may have bern Duke of Cornwall, but that's no reason for Her Majesty to follow that county's peculiar habits.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Think I read somewhere that the Queen did prefer the Cornwall method in real life, but the Devon method is depicted here either because it was Claire Foy's natural preference or that's how they rehearsed this scene.
@@noseofsauron236 Oh dear.
The actress playing Mrs Kennedy does that booigse New England Grace Kelly accent so delicately and its flawless
But Jackie was from Long Island. She had more of a New York accent.
@@nassauguy48 Grace Kelly was from Philadelphia, but it's all blue blood old money and boarding schools
And Jodi is South African! 😂 A truly global situation with her voice. ❤
@@makeitmakesense2616 Grace Kelly was not a blue blood; her father was an Irish American bricklayer who made a lot of money. She acquired her patrician accent when she became an actress and her family teased her about it. But she was gorgeous and classy and the posh accent suited her.
> booigse
the fucking what
I aspire to one day obtain the same grace and composure Elizabeth had. There’s so much respect and admiration in how she presented herself to those who have hurt her
Yes, when she said for instance, I have learnt in my job not to take things so seriously. And that when a story is told and retold, it becomes more exaggerated. But she was also honest enough to say that it did surprise her those remarks, as she felt they had a really good first meeting.
You would HAVE TO BE BORN INTO IT, YOU CANNOT INVENT IT, JUST TO SUIT YOURSELF OR IMPRESS OTHERS.
One thing that I don't think was mentioned was that when they were arranging the state dinner in honor of the Kennedys they asked is there anyone you'd like us to invite. Jackie said yes, my sister Lee is living in London but Buckingham Palace wouldn't b/c Lee was a divorcee. Sounds dumb but it was 1961 or 62.
I worked for a British company in.....2002 and the company news letter would list retirements, births etc well someone in accounts I new had just had a baby and I asked one of our auditors how come that employee's child's birth wasn't mentioned? He said oh not married.
WOW! Even then.
In about 1960 my mother left her husband and filed for divorce. She had nowhere to go, but her mother (my grandmother) would not allow her to come home to Scotland because the scandal would have been too great. She was not allowed to come home until she had remarried (she married my father). Divorcees were of course not received at court but I am surprised by your story from 2002.
Disgrace for the baby worst of all
Two idiot parents
The current king had no qualms about sleeping with married women. He had long time affairs with them
I wish our current society was as formal as it once was. We're "let it all hang out" slobs Now.
Years later her own son had the same ego about his wife upstaging him.
I always thought she was so deadpan.
@@nassauguy48yes camela is very deadpan, but Dianna was and will always be the people's princess
Both of these wonderful women are so under appreciated for all they went thru, and still were so elegant, kind, lovely spirit, so missed , both such a hole left.
Speaking calmly with a smile while aggressively preparing her tea and snacks. As if she is saying “Allow me now to butter your bread, Mrs. Kennedy”😊
And this is after a show of force with the army out on full display.😅
It's going to take me a long time to get over the hallucinations and delusions I suffered from meds following major surgery and a bad reaction to anesthesia. How frightening to think of nations being led by "cocktails" to pep powerful people up, calm them down, cheer them up. It can definitely lead to unexpected visions, experiences, and...mouths leading lives of their own.
If only leaders could afford to be seen looking weary, tired, sick... especially in that period in time the wife of the leader had to always seem perfect.
(Oh you can look and sound "older" if you ARE, but even then you're expected to be a "'sprightly" "feisty" kind of old.)
I love the way that Foy walks in the first few seconds. A woman in control.
I find it hard to believe Jackie would have spilled all that personal info to the queen, about herself and the president and whatever they were being injected with.
I have read many biographies of Jacqueline Onassis. I am not saying it didn’t happen, but this is completely out of character for her. But who really knows.
Our late Queen balanced so much in her life, from a young age. Our late Queen was the original trailblazer for women coming into their own. A true woman of substance, duty, self-sacrifice and decency and incredible love for her people. Great Respect to an amazing woman who led the British Royals into the new age.
Clare Foy the best Queen by a country mile.
Claire Foye is phenomenal ❤
chileee😲... the way the Queen was spreading that butter and jam on that scone as if she was saying... "how dare you talk about me beetch"... like did y'all see how the Queen bit that scone as if she wanted to slap mrs. Kennedy.😂 I wonder if their lil chat was forreal🤔😂
What exactly did Jackie do to piss off Queen Elizabeth II ?
@@steveboudreaux7933 I heard about this. As I recall it may have been when she criticized her clothes, her intellect and Buckingham Palace. Someone who watched this program should be more precisely accurate. Anyway, for a person of importance, as a First Lady is, she should not have spoken at a dinner/party as she did - whether true or not, or only her opinion.
@@steveboudreaux7933 After a formal event, Jackie gossiped about the Queen's dress and hairstyle, stating they were dowdy and old fashioned.
*that's another one of The Queen's classy (non-verbal) reads i'll have to put in my repertoire. Lol!!!* 🥐🫖🍯
@@steveboudreaux7933 *it's on this channel...look for 'Jackie Kennedy Doesn't Like Queen Elizabeth | The Crown'* 👑
I didn't know Dexter Morgan was JFK in a previous life.
That poor scone! It took beating
The scone’s name was Mrs. Kennedy.
She ate and drank so fast, it was a wonder that she didn't choke!
This the funniest scene ever 🤣
The way the Queen is buttery her scone butter then da jam 😂
Thank God Her Majesty placed the cream on the scone first - before the Jam! AND didn’t double dip! Classy.
YES! YOU NOTICED!!!!!! hahahaha!
Completely incorrect research there. The actual Queen put the jam on first, and then the cream, according to her butler.
'Why would you.. we barely know one another...' ouch!!!
Deep deep cut!!
I miss the Queen. 😔
It is the third time I watch this scene, but for the first time I am kind of interested in Jackie Kennedy's state of mind. She seems like an interesting personality. 🤔
She was an interesting
personality and very
intelligent. She absolutely
hated the invasion of her
privacy; during the post-
White House Years.
She was also very fearful
after the JFK, RFK and the
Martin Luther King
assassinations. Ithink the
need for her and the children
to have physical and financial
security drove her to marry
Aristotle Onassis. He married
Jackie for her fame and social
connections to rich Americans
JFK did not leave her hardly
any money. Her father was
broke/dead(?) Her step-father
told both Jackie and Lee as well
as their step-brother, Gore Vidal,
that they were not being left
money.
Joe Sr. and Rose Kennedy left
all of their money equally to
all of their grandchildren as
well as some money to a few
charities. While their children
were alive; they were generous
to them; but favored the sons
This is a tv programme not real.
your absolute correct- well said. Few understand that. Jackie never had to worry over a car payment but worried her children could be kidnapped or worse was an issue. I'd have married King Kong to save life of my children . Most thought she married him out of greed for $ - it was a safety issue & until his son died/ it worked.
*you're or you are @@sheilacarey347
@Peach-y8b The scene, yes. But these glances at how is she as a person match things I read about her before. That she seemed like a very outspoken person when in reality she was not a people person, with many conflicting thougts because of aspects in her personal life. I personally never felt interest on learning about Jackie, i mean, she was first lady of another country. But now I am interested.
I really need to sit down and make a point of watching this show from start to finish.
Me too!! So many UA-cam scenes watched, practically the whole series....but never have I sat down and watched an entire episode!
you must, its so well done !
Watch it, you'll enjoy it.
Absolutely worth the watch, it was incredibly done. Just take the history with a grain of salt, as there was a lot of artisitc liberty taken.
@@tonyktown thanks Tony. Yeah, from what I've seen in bits and pieces, the factual data is pretty limited. Having lived from 1964 - present and a history/poli sci major (spelled: addict), it's why I want to watch it start to finish. :-)
„Sometimes, to only a fortress will do.“
I LOVE THIS SENTENCE!
Damn! Claire Foy is a good actress!
I find this scene super interesting. This episode portrays Jackie as deliberately charming everyone around her in the way she thinks will be most effective. With the queen, she sees someone who's insecure in glamorous Jackie's shadow. So she talks about how shy she feels, how insecure, how out of place. The queen thinks they've bonded, but in fact Jackie's actually judging her the entire time--and those judgments come out later. Maybe she was under the influence when they did come out, but she had to have thought them up on some level or other in order to have given them voice. In this scene, when she goes to apologize, she does it as vulnerable, out-of-place, looking up to the queen as everything she 'wishes she were.' Elizabeth totally fell for it, acting guilty later on that she didn't respond by baring her own insecurities and her own admiration for Jackie. In reality, if Elizabeth had groveled the way she later said she should have, Jackie's track record goes to show that she'd take that as an ego boost and continue looking down on the queen. Jackie's vulnerability in this episode is a means to an end of manipulating/charming the queen, and it works.
Edit to add: I just finished rewatching this episode, and it's apparent that the queen recognizes Jackie's manipulations when she sees that Jackie hasn't changed out of her bloody clothes. She realizes how good Jackie is at playing the game. And she decides to play it, too, by honoring JFK above and beyond what custom demands. You can see that she's fuming the entire time that she's making those choices.
Thank you! This is how I interpreted her apology. She may be under the influence but the "cocktail" made her thoughts about the queen ve apparent.
Yet Jackie decorated the white house in European style and was her preferred escape from the US. Let us not forget Jackie was a human being governed for some time under the Kennedys empire. Her husband is heavily under the influence of steroids and opiates
It's wild that they showed JFK being jealous of Jackie, as if he didn't encourage her to charm foreign countries with her knowledge of history and fluency in multiple languages as a way to make himself look better as President. He knew full well what an asset she was to his image to other countries.
Whether or not this actually took place, what it does show is an example of a time when people in office held themselves to a standard of behavior that is too rare today.
I don't believe that ever happened, Jackie never came across as a one to apologize
Nor would she reveal this much about her personal life with JFK.
@@thejoyofthemusicinmylife7897Even if she did, The Queen would never tell anyone else.
@@madabbafan perhaps so but why take a chance. Jackie believed she owed The Queen an apology but she did not owe her an explanation.
@@madabbafan perhaps so.
Exactly. Never happened
Claire is great but Jodi is seriously underrated. I watched this when it aired, didn’t know who she was at the time. She’s great in this role.
Nor me. Her accent seems much less pronounced than the way Natalie Portman portrayed her.
“I was high! In fact I’m often high!”
That’s the excuse?
Lol
Very true though. JFK was shot up with meth from Dr. Feelgood, too. He was higher than a kite.
She wasn’t excusing her behavior. She was explaining. Big difference.
@@cherylschantz9893 Jackie had to do a lot of "explaining" to a boat load of people.
Is it weird that I like the formality of tea with the Queen's staff? Sliding the chairs out and pouring the tea for the Queen and the First Lady......it's so simple yet elegant...
It takes a lot to humble yourself so totally before someone you’ve wronged.
True but jackie should've kept her mouth shut
I don't think the Queen would have sliced a scone in half. You BREAK a scone in half.
Cutting it allowed her to wield a knife in Jackie's presence and not just to spread jam or cream.
Really? Wouldn't the Queen think that was gauche?
I have never watched “The Crown”, but the actress playing Jackie’s character just doesn’t look finished.
❤FANTASTIC Claire Foy❤love from Finland
IT TAKES - GREAT - COURAGE !” To ADMIT - WHEN YOU ARE - WRONG 😱 ….!” GOOD !! FOR JACKIE !” 😇
My Queen was a stable individual over 70 years. That constant, while presidents, prime ministers, dictatorships and republics came and went. We always had the queen to rely on.
Not a monarchist but QE2 was a legend we did not deserve.
I could watch Claire Foy forever , she’s super brilliant ! I’m in love 💓
I must make the time to get back to watching The Crown.
The most important conversation in the world is that of those two ladies The Grace and Mercy
Jackie might have said that in private ,but she had more class than to be public about it
I love how Jackie is Tan in this scence, to express the style and youthfulness of Camelot
Who knew that JFK was Dexter? That explains a lot
The way she ate Jackie up while making that biscuit 😭
Jacqueline Onassis was one of the most photographed women in the 60s and 70s. So, why is it in every depiction of the woman they get the hairstyles and voice wrong? The same can be said of Queen Elizabeth at this point in time.
I believe they missed the most important leadup to this scene, where Jackie Kennedy is walking past the old halls of the castle, knights and the Household Cavalry.
I think this is ths exact same spot where HMTQ did the skit with Paddington Bear. 😢😢😢 RIP, QE II. You are sorely missed!!
Actually it isn't. None of the Crown's scenes were filmed in Buckingham Palace.
@@timhazeltine3256 Well, of course not. I meant the reproduced spot. Take a look at this recreated location and compare with the Pennington Bear video. They're very similar.
Paddington bear - get it right !
@@timhazeltine3256That is not what was said. The point still stands. You are unnecessarily nasty to someone making an innocent and sweet reference. Why?
@@nzessmamwhat? Bear is a proper noun in that name. Capital letter.
Claire is absolutely exquisite in this role. 👑🪷♥️
JFK had problems with infidelity but the idea that he was verbally or physically abusive to Jackie appears to have no Asia in anything. Indeed, he was an astute politician and proud of his wife's culture, charm and accomplishments...all the evidence I've been seen is that he was pleased she was such a hit in Paris -- it was specifically hoped for, as she grew up bilingual, and at tended the Sorbonne and spent time living in Paris before she married....he named her childhood dog after Charles de Gaulle!
Its strange that the writers would make this up ou of whole cloth. It almost seems calculated to eacho Charles' intense jealousy of Diana's popularity when they began to travel, and his all too real emotional and verbal abuse...as to downplay it by comparison.
But since these are real human beings, it seems unfair to falsely depict them in such a brutal light merely to form them into a foil fo the King of England.
(The timeline is way off as well....they visited. Ot weeks or months but literally years before Kennedy's assassination)
It's as if they deliberately dumbed down one of the most sophisticated First Couples in American history to make their own Royal couple look superior.
Asia?
It was well known in political circles that JFK was verbally AND physically abusive to Jackie.
Two women (Marilyn Monroe and Mimi Alford) spoke about how Kennedy pressured them into giving sexual pressure to some of his buddies.
@@sld1776 Kennedy was a real dirtball all the way around. A real sick creep.
Great dialogue between two extraordinary lady！What a good performance🎉🎉🎉
Jodi Balfour would be great playing Karen Carpenter !
WOW! Great observation!
and Gilda Radner
@@adamgarrick3778 Yes, I think we all deserve a better Carpenters movie.
@@zackzeman6449No.
But can she sing? 🤔
That she was given a chance to apologize says so much about the queen, that Jackie is the type of person who can apologize says everything about her. Two great women
I don't like to think of JFK as being abusive but then I remember his father and I think to myself it's all together possible
This is dripping with artistic liberties. I don’t believe Jackie could ever be given any amount of drug as to become so bereft of politesse, or that the Queen would sit there for this long an explanation. Even if the assignation HAD taken place as suggested. Neither of these is likely.
I wasn't impressed with the actors they choose for Jackie and JFK. It did not ring true to me.
I agree, and their characters are bizarre as well. Its like a bad sleazy reenactment, which is clearly in the writing so I wont be too judgemental of the acting. The actress isn't bad. She just doesn't look at all like Jackie Kennedy, and her spilling all this info to the Queen over tea is equally out of character. This scene makes it seem like Jackie was a messy junkie desperate for the Queens approval. Huh? wtf even is this scene
If Jackie had indeed been drunk when she said those things, I'm sure that factoid would have gotten back to Elizabeth as well. Doesn't excuse the behavior or the comments, but does explain them in a more understandable way.
The scene suggests she wasn't just drunk, and obviously the queen of the United Kingdom is pretty familiar with drunk people, but that she was actually probably high.
News was different then. Jackie was their princess and they would tell anything to make her look good. She was horrible to the queen, sly put downs, when they first met. So why would the queen sink to her level?
World leaders and foreign royals have been calling Buckingham Palace a disgusting pig sty for hundreds of years. Even today there are tourists claiming it smells like piss and I've worked with contractors that say most of the property is in horrid shape, smells like ass and looks like it hasn't been well kept in ages. Why is it so offensive for Jackie to say it when the Queen wasn't even in the room?
Not drunk- they were on amphetamines.
@@pnwflipper2089 She was also drinking alcohol in the clip.
The scene actually begins with troops marching/riding (?) by & Jackie being led up the grand staircase past posted guards. All in full traditional regalia. 😂
The Queen ate scones the Cornish way according to her butler - jam first, and then cream on top. Shocking research mistake by The Crown!
Thank heavens! Firm jam first, soft, fluffy cream on top…like any SENSIBLE person. 😀👍
Even us uncouth Aussies know that!
I was worried when I saw that, but it IS only tv, after all.
@@colinr1960 Fear not, my worthy Australian friend, the Real Queen knew the correct way! 😃
Right?! I hope someone got fired for that blunder....
@@MaleOrderBride Not only fired, but taken to the Tower of London!
The correct way is cream first. And this is the final word on the subject
Scary amount of people in the comments don’t understand that this is not a documentary.
I can't imagine Jackie telling the Queen that the man with the hand on the nuclear button is stoned most of the time. The Queen is the British head of state and she certainly would have passed that info on to British intelligence. Jackie couldn't have been that naive or dumb.
I was trying to find out if any of this was actually historically accurate and ended up getting sucked into a bunch of Jackie Kennedy documentaries. The closest I came to the truth is that Jackie was completely unimpressed with England and the Queen and made no secret of it. She was very modern and well educated after all so she looked down on this whole thing (she was also very judgmental and often ruthless in the way she sized people up). As far as I know she made absolutely no apologies for any comments or opinions she had on the monarchy, in fact she could care less what these people thought of her, since she considered them so outdated and irrelevant.
The Queen received her apology so very well.. she understood where Mrs. Kennedy was coming from...
Since there were only two people in the room - and neither of them ever gave accounts of anything remotely resembling this scene - I think we can describe it as poorly conceived fan fiction of some kind. 🙄
The Queen obviously had ambivalent feelings as to how to react to Jackie's explanation. I am sure that she understood how Jackie was inebriated by whatever was given to her, but to what extent did she believe that the truth about how one feels all comes out when they are under the influence?
"Sometimes you need a fortress."
Love how Elizabeth applies herself to her scone!
Great scene! 👑
I don’t watch this show but the woman playing Jackie nailed it! Her dialect and mannerisms were spot on!
Wow that was intense and revealing re Mrs Kennedy!
Jackie O was impeccable. I love how the director had her slouch just a tad. The visual of it against The Queen’s perfect posture is perfect.
Love that the Queen chose the Devonshire cream tea!
What do mean by chose. It was always served the Queen love her scones and tea..😂😂
@@aussiekat6379There are two ways to put the cream on a scone. Cornish is jam first, cream second. Devonshire is the other way around. I'm from Devon, so that's what I noticed.
@@siankinrade1994 nope in Australia it’s jam first then cream well it’s been that way as far as I can remember it’s how my great grandparents etc alway served it.. I guess it’s up to the individual how they like it.
The real Queen ate them the Cornish way.
Claire Foy is so good. SO, so good. She is by far the best queen in The Crown.
Back when people handled conflict with class
Back in the day they wouldn’t have talked at all. You get this is fiction, right? This is TODAY’S ideal, not yesterday’s reality.
That last look on queen's face says it all. The words of praise gave her nothing but emptiness... i wonder though, had Jackie approached the apology differently, rather than saying "oh you are so amazing, you are so inspiring" would it have turned out differently?
I wonder if this meeting really took place.
That the wife of a president would use the Queen as a therapist? I seriously doubt it.
Agreed, but still fun to watch.
She really did insult the queen horribly
@@branflakes12341On the show. There’s no proof of it in real life.
There were reports of Mrs. Kennedy visiting the Palace before the scheduled visit, but no one knows what was discussed