His Year: Cicero (63 B.C.E.)
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Absolutely Not His Year: Catilina
His funeral: Catalina
Is dis a man: catalina
Feminine : Catalina
👌
His brith: catalina
THIS ISN'T GREECE. HERE IN ROME THINGS GET MESSY BUT THINGS GET DOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNEEEEEEE
asdf i was looking for someone commenting about that
Uraaaaa
At least the trains run on time?
Ugh, gross
'Murica.
“Executing your enemies sets an authoritarian precedent for the future.” - the most famous authoritarian politician of all time.
I mean, he didn't say he wasn't going to follow that precedent, so...
He didn't excute and kill opponents. So Caesar is less authoritarian in that aspect.
@@pride2184 but his nephew sure did
@@pride2184 cicero was allowed to
The nephew & the Second Triumvirate used the fate of Caesar as the reason for their ruthlessness. Marius & Sulla were bloodthirsty, but they didn't get assassinated by ungrateful former supporters allied to spared enemies.
As for Cicero's legal authority, it appears that the constitutionality of the Senatus Consultum Ultimum was controversial even at the time, Caesar simply was the most vocal person opposed to it. This was possibly partly motivated by the consideration that the Optimates always used it as a cheat card to "legally" slaughter the Populists that Caesar was a part of when they were winning. It was basically a suspension of the Roman Constitution.
Cicero: Hey want to hear a joke Catalina?
Catalina: Sure.
Cicero: The Consulship.
Catalina: I don't get it.
Cicero: And you never will.
I don’t get it either
And you never will.
A variation of the Hitler /Stalin joke.
Get a new joke
@@Phlegethon no
"Y'all are corrupt as hell"
- Cato, 63 BCE
Cato was such a hypocrite, though. “Fuck due process or any sort of trial, lets kill these supposed conspirators.” Pretty much all we know about this “conspiracy” comes from Cicero’s POV. To me this reeks of the elitists once again fucking over the lower classes by killing off someone who champions their cause.
@@ArmandoMPR we will never be 100 percent sure
Actual Cesar wrote on the conspiracy and didn't say much other than "it totally happened, but Cicero was ignoring process once he got the bad guys"
@@alex_zetsu ... And then Caesar himself went on to completely ignore process when he became Consul. The more I learn about Caesar the less I like him, and I didn't like him that much to begin with. There's no doubt he was a genius commander and motivator of men, but his ethics and character were extremely lacking.
Hey, I was just saying the conspiracy was probably real since Caesar said it totally happened and if it was made up it would be more politically convenient for him to champion Catillina's memory and expose the frame up than mention it as a footnote. I'm not saying Caesar himself cared about process when it was inconvenient to him. Which is honestly probably true for any consul from 95 BC to Augustus's time, Caesar and a few others were just better at getting away with shenanigans (or maybe everyone got away with it and no one wrote it down because they retired and became nobodies).
i could watch those little squares fight all day
It's actually strange how much they help you to visualise things :D :D
I will remember the senate full of squares for many years
I just wish he used better music :( Like rome total war ost
Company007 meh, the music's fine and fits the video perfectly but I see why you want RTW music, it's truly the best
The elephant symbols are the best of all :D
"BLAAAARG!" -Julius Caesar, 63 B.C.
insightful
I imagine this quote beeing put in new Rome total War game on loading screen. :)
+tomslub lol
too soon man :(
"This is Rome, NOT Greece! Things get messy but things get DOOOONE" M.T. Cicero, 63 BCE
"you're acting like an authoritarian"
"oh yeah? would an authoritarian draw swords on the senate?"
Depends if the Senate is abusing their power and not working for the people.
"you're acting like an authoritarian" -- Ceasar
"Et Tu Brutus" - Julius caesar not too soon after. Fuck the senate.
Who is here after Cicero's death? F
Sad =(
F
F
*F*
They did our man dirty
"Caesar's appeal against authoritarianism."
*wheeze*
While it might seem ironic in context it makes sense. What Cicero was doing was very similar to what Sulla did with the Proscriptions when he was dictator. Caesar narrowly dodged being a victim of said Proscriptions, so it should be no surprise that he was against something like them happening.
08:38--08:43
I chose this time range because Historia Civillis has mentioned "lockdown" and "password". Cicero at that time lived a political life in Ancient Rome just imagine. And he is mentioning modern things as such. I doubt that whether the concept of "lockdown" and "password" was already known in ancient Rome.
@@karthikparameswaran7813 do you think Romans were retarded? Controlling who gets in your house and setting a codeword to get in is not a new concept. HC even mentions it was a well-known military practice to control access to their installations.
@@vulpes7079 Then can you suggest some reliable sources which can tell about the ancient Roman military life? I want to know more about it.
@@karthikparameswaran7813 I'd recommend "The Roman Art of War: Theory and Practice"
Everything the senate said from 10:45 onwards
Incoming Consul 1: Yeah sounds good
Incoming Consul 2: Trials are overrated anyway
Ex-consul 1: I'm cool with murder on any occasion
Ex-consul 2 : I love you Cicero
Ex-consul 3 : I am very supportive
Ex-consul 4 : I wasn't paying attention
Ex-consul 5 : I was.
Ex-consul 6 : Where all my consuls at?
Ex-consul 7 : Maybe in 2000 years somebody will make a youtube video about this moment (XD)
Ex-consul 8 : I may have bit off more than I can chew here
Ex-consul 9 : I approve.
Ex-consul 10 : What is the meaning of existence?
Ex-consul 11 : This took so much time. Why did I do this? (Tell me about it)
Ex-consul 12 : Did I hear "electric chair"?
Ex-consul 13 : I can do the electric slide.
Ex-consul 14 : I sometimes condone murder
Ex-consul 15 : These traitors make me so mad
Ex-consul 16 : Love you, Cicero
Ex-consul 17 : I just go along to get along
Ex-consul 18 : I just do what I'm told
Ex-consul 19 : Murder has my vote
Praetor 1: Affirmative
Praetor 2: Roger that
Praetor 3: Yay!
Praetor 4: Support!
Praetor 5: Just like... fine
Praetor 6: Praetors, ayyyyyy (I counted the y's trust me)
Praetor 7: Yea
You're welcome
I appreciate your commitment to the cause
This really reminds me of King of Dragon pass ;)
"Praetor 6: Praetors, ayyyyyy (I conted the y's trust me)" Paul Liu, 2016 AD, loading screen in the new Rome Total War
Foreshadowing IRL is there too after Caesar leaves
"Where all my consuls at?" new hit single by DMX
lol, Julius Caesar arguing against Authoritarianism. The epitome of irony
Caesar wasn't a tyrant. Like Napoléon, he used his absolute power for good
bcboy0300041 shut up Napoleon
@@parthiancapitalist2733 Caesar commited many atrocities. He was definitely not good.
@@parthiancapitalist2733 omg
@@parthiancapitalist2733: Politically, Caesar was basically Hugo Chavez. Land reform to get the support of the poor; opposed by conservatives; used the army to nullify the republic.
Crazy detailed stuff for such distant times. Romans were exceptional in many ways. Love it.
STFU
@@asdafaafsaffa2871 no u.
asdafa afsaffa no u Indian
I'm a big fan of your channel as well, not surprised to see you here
I thought the same thing; ridiculously sophisticated as compared to the 21st Century. We could learn A LOT
"I'm just a simple man I've never even murdered anyone"
KEK
(1-At least illegally,
2- Yet.)
Poor Cicero. All he wanted was some peace and stability. The proudest moment of his life is doing just that, and then Rome gets wrecked by a billion civil wars.
We must not forget that these were all extremely wealthy men and what the conservatives valued above all else was to protect their incredibly privileged position. In the end they were all too selfish to understand continuing to horde all the land and power was not even in their own long-term interest.
Jamie Owns He didn’t really have a choice and it succeeded!
@@dramlamb5196 they should have cut the plebs a good deal make land reforms and free up the poor farmers from taxation instead collect some crops and add them to your grain doll and expand it trough all of italy + keep politics mostly in patrician hands
Most plebs probably only wanted fair masters
Any other ideas?
Of course, he never embellished the details of his "In Catlinam" speeches, trying to get other historians such as Lucius Lucceius to publish said embellishment, then on top of that calling himself "Pater Patriae" for his work. He was entirely self-interested, and did nothing the help the actual victims of the corrupt Roman oligarchy.
@@cenkuygur6841 What about in his Quaestorship in Sicily?
"Hypocrit"
"Stfu"
Gotta love Roman etiquette.
Hey, let's have a pause for a minute
08:50
"Act of giving a password like this was a well known military tradition."
It means that the concept of "password" was very much prevalent in Ancient Rome!!
08:38
I also chose the above time period for I doubt that whether or not the concept of "lockdown" was prevalent. If it was so then please explain me how?
"When, Catilina, will you cease abusing our patience?"
~"I care about the Constitution" - Cicero
*goes on to immediately make a deal with his co-consul to ignore the Constitution*
The deal Cicero made was completely constitutional though, nothing about that was illegal.
This channel is so fking good
But the videos are made weeks apart but if its to make videos this good than im fine with it
I just wish he used better music :(
if he could get allowed to use TotalWar:Rome music tracks it would be nice i think there tracks are awesome
@@gummybearhelbreath I actually rather enjoy the music. It has grown on me. Also, I'm kind of fed up with certain history channels creating all of their content using both animation and music from that game. It might be cool as a fan of the game, but after a point it becomes boring. Especially if you don't care much for the game.
André Haugvaldstad I agree completely. I thought it was a cool concept initially but after I realized that everyone had started doing it, I grew a new appreciation for those little squares
would you consider doing an entire series/mini-series about Cicero?? he is one of the most fascinating roman figures and is often overshadowed by ceaser in the history books
I had to write about the triumvirate at uni last semester and the online platform I was typing on recognized "Caesar" and "Pompey" as words but not "Crassus" I really did laugh out loud. I just noticed youtube's spellcheck is doing exactly the same haha.
Well, I’m both happy and sad to say that his story has now been covered and unfortunately concluded.
For some time i thought cicero and cato was the same person lmao
"This isn't Greece. Here in Rome things get messy but things but THINGS GET DONE."
SPQR! SPQR! SPQR!
Caesar gets things done (sorta)
After watching the sparta video i have to agree with him
Blaargh!
Julius Caesar, 63. BCE
Please go into to the rivalry between Sulla and Marius next
Yes, more of that period!
Sulla
Yes, please
Yes!
yeah Marius.
And the Marian military reformation!
Glad this channel became active agan
Was just about to say it
Yup
Very glad! I just subscribed, only to find out that there has been a long pause. Never again, please! :)
Same
yes indeed
Knowing Caesar accused Cicero of being an authoritarian is one of the funniest things I've heard in some time. Btw, were there other senatorial figures of relevant importance that are normally ommited by historians to make things easier to understand, or were guys like Caesar, Cato and Cicero overshadowing the other politicians? I guess it's more like the former, but it always surprised me how much influence those 3 had in Roman politics.
They were during these years. If you pick year other than Crassus and Caesar's counsul years there would be other influental people that would be in the spotlight. And other people like Catalina, Crassus and Pompay were really powerfull too and they have been mentioned in this and the Caesar video. And others like Biblius that was bit less important have been mentioned. But oviously these are a little simplyfied.
I think the reason just a few men stand out in the senate in this time period is because after Sulla's reign a lot of prominent and more competent men were killed or taken prisoner, so the senate was 'levelled' in a way and a competent few were able to really take hold of things. (Ex. Pompey, Cicero, Crassus,Caesar, Cato)
siegward of catarina
Leadership is rare even among leaders.
siegward of catarina q
On top of that, senators were becoming more unequal in terms of wealth. Conquests of other provinces had made a few slave owning senators much richer than before while others hadn't had a part of the spoils.
I love these videos. Roman politics is just so interesting
Same, It conda reminds of the US politics.
The irony of Caesar saying something is “too authoritarian.”
This was a young Caesar. He would've been 36-37 so he might not have developed his kingly ideology
Putin in his early 30s was a huge supporter of democracy and USA
Authoritaniasn are usually former idealistic liberals disilussioned with existing institutions and ideals
@@kajetanradulski9267 I think it has more to do with Caesar having a distaste for extrajudicial killing. Despite his kingly ambitions, Sulla soured Caesar's taste for it.
Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian were younger and I don't think they experienced Sulla's reign firsthand, which is perhaps one reason why they went about with purges.
@@samiamrg7 ...this is the same Caesar that threatened to murder the tribune of the plebs Lucius Caecilius Metellus to his face, correct?
I think it's fair to say his being targeted by Sulla would make him wary of proscription, but I wouldn't extend that to extrajudicial killing in general. Debatable as well whether or not the genocide in Gaul he orchestrated - or, for that matter, all the Roman deaths in the civil war he started - was "extrajudicial" or just beyond the scope of Roman criminal law, as opposed to just the rules of war. But he was clearly willing to see a whole lot of people die to get his way in his petty little political dispute.
Wonderful video as usual. Can't wait for more
Seriously though, Cicero's wife had to be like the best woman ever. Like how many spies does that lady have lol?
That's just her lovers.
She only had affairs when Cicero chose to make a speech instead of spending time with her
@@chrisb9143 ha
This Caesar fella sounds like a true believer in democratic values and mercy, i hope he got to be consul some day, he sure deserved it
When Cicero acts like a dictator, nobody bats an eye
But when CAESAR does so, well then everyone loses their minds!!!
We truly do live in a society
@@madavarams268 Oh, hello!
@@kapitan19969838 Ah Hello there Kapitan
@@madavarams268 You spoke to me! 🥰
I appreciate the shift from military history towards politics. It seems a bit more applicable to layman like myself. :P
The military history is always applicable. To just about anything.
Cicero was an "institutionalist"? Yet, he brought weapons and armed guards to the Senate??
I think Cicero had to deal with the complexities and paradoxes of laws and leadership.
Like how Lincoln had to suspend Habeus Corpus. Although great supporter of democracy, he had to act undemocratically sometimes during the Civil War.
I think Cicero, and later Caesar, had to do the same.
The difference is that Caesar started the civil war, you don't get to claim "neccesity" if you start a civil war.
@@michalsoukup1021 Bruh...the would have KILLED HIM.
Who else is rewatching this after Cicero’s death?
Cicero's greatest hour vs his Finest.
Well id assume everyone considering he died a atleast a few years ago
Spoiler alert
New Historia Civilis video at 6 AM in Los Angeles? I knew I stayed up for a good reason. Keep up the amazing work man!
I have heared that during one of the Senate's discussions over the Catilina conspiracy, Caeasar was reading a letter instead of joining the discussion. When one of his enemies, maybe Cato suggested this is part of the conspiracy demanded the letter to be read out publicly; the letter turned out to be a love-letter from Servilia, Cato's half-sister. Can someone confirm or explain?
Not much to explain. But it did happen.
Wow. Cato must have REALLY hated Caesar
That Cicero seems to be important and all but.. what about that man's wife?!
Terentia, she's awesome!
OMG I love this channel!! The content quality is amazing, the facts intriguing and the overall presentation incredible! just wish he did his battle breakdowns on all major or interesting battles in history...
That'd be a fuck ton of videos. 😂
I'm in no hurry!
I just wish he used better music. Like rome total war ost
Copyright problems :/
I like the subtle music in these, it's less distracting.
Fun fact: the first case is actually Labienus (urged by Caesar) accusing some person of the murder of his uncle and some other guy. Also, he was serving as tribune of the plebs that year.
GOD'S BE PRAISED! ROMA HAS BEEN GIFTED WITH YET ANOTHER VIDEO THIS MONTH BY HISTORIA! MAY 1000 BULLS BE SACRIFICED TO PLEASE THE GODS SO WE MAY BE GIFTED WITH MORE GLORIOUS VIDEOS! ROME IS MOTHER TO US ALL
For The God of Doors!!!
***** Do not utter such words.. Never shall you say such drivel again, the God of Doors is a pathetic fool and nothing more, never shall his name be sung in glory along with our glorious Rome
The enemy general is KIIILLLEEEDDD. Their men run like frightened rabbits.
3 Ring Studios THIIIS LANND IS ROMMANNNNN! :>>>
I read that in the narrators voice. So awesome.
For everyone who‘s a fan of Cicero or wants to learn more, I highly recommend the triology about Cicero by Robert Harris.
Thanks!
I loved his novel Pompeii. In return I recommend Steven Saylor's Sub Rosa series as well as his Roma trilogy.
I second that. Well written and for a story it is amazingly accurate.
I love all your videos, but I have to say that ancient politics is where you really shine. There are some educators who can explain battles, but very few can teach politics without being boring. Keep up the amazing work!
Coming back here after Cicero's final hour.
We are just doing our duty as loyal followers of Historia Civilis, just how Cicero wanted us to do
The comment about Roman homes being open to the public is fascinating! Know where I can learn more about this?
It reminds me of RPG's in which you can just walk into people's houses during the day.
tetrisclock
And jack all the random shit they keep in barrels and boxes.
Nipah Auauau as far as i know, private homes were not open to the public, but a tribune's home was. the video just didnt make that distinction.
This isn't Greece
Here in Rome
Things get messy
But things get done
Cicero 63BCE
I think you missed the part about the Night Mother, Sithis, and the Dark Brotherhood.
Ive bet youve never even played morrowind plebian.
Filthy N’wah
fetcher
This would make a great movie
awesome news 7 years later
More...... More........ MOOOOOORE! GREAT CONTENT.
Caesar's blood spilled on the floor of the Senate? Imagine if that actually happened!
did Rome have an anti sword control lobby?
I dunno
They should have held the senatorial reunions in the public baths. They were all guys, and probably already spent a good part of the day there. Also, the idea of the fate of Rome being decided in such a place is funny.
swords are evil and kill people, we need sword free zones !
You are a dumbass man, swords (weapons overall) and even military uniforms were strictly prohibited in the roman forum.
Max Payne Which was pretty logic, as we all know how it ended when a legion entered in Rome.
Always get happy when I see you uploaded a new video
I absolutely love your videos! I've been subbed for quite a while now (still less than a year), but your content is entertaining and extremely enjoyable for those that want to learn about Ancient Rome. My personal favorites are the actual battles, how Rome (or its enemy) is able to outmaneuver and trick the other into ultimate defeat. You're the only channel I know that has entire videos dedicated solely to mapping and showing the progression of ancient battles in a military format. Keep doing what you're doing!
Of course you didn't mention the note that was passed to Caesar during the session and that Cato sperged out and demanded for him to read it aloud, since he thought it was from conspirators and it turned out to be a love letter to Caesar from Cato's sister.
Can have Caesar looking like a baller on this channel.
Please do a series on Augustus, you can break it down, so you talk about the second triumvirate, the outcome of Caesars assassins, but all focusing on Augustus point of view and impact upon him.
I am loving these "His year" series! thank you so much for making these videos!
These are all so good. I can't find a flaw in them, you do great work. Thank you
I enjoy these greatly, the graphic, the clear information, crisp narration. These videos are wonderful and I look forward to every upload
This Cicero fellow sure is a great guy! I just hope he doesn’t get beheaded, or something.
I remember having to translate one of Cicero's speeches to the Senate in school years ago - the one in which Cicero basically called Cataline "a pile of shit."
this is so amazing, its so great you became active again
I love these videos, you have the most underrated channel on this website.
I vote for you to make one of these for every year of the Roman Republic/Empire
That sounds like a nightmare
Bibilus, the original Jeb Bush
Aris Theocharis hello fellow enlightened thinker
Jeb Bibulush
Jeb!
Low energy is a better term
This is by far my favorite channel. Keep it up.
These His Year Videos are amazing, please do more
Loved what F. Engels and M. Parenti wrote about Cicero's life.
Pausing to read your text in the little bubbles made me laugh hysterically. Dude, you're awesome.
Really love this channel as I've never really looked into the history of the Roman Empire. Keep up the good work please.
I really love this channel, I love history but never really got into Rome's legacy, and it's awesome learning about it
Cato: The original Contrarian.
Please don't stop making these... Please...I'm asking nicely:)
the weekend just got better! you are awesome man, keep it up
This is very well done, terrific job! I love the simplicity of using squares, you told the story well through them.
Keep making videos mate there awesome
Just watched the new "Finest Hour" video :(
Another great historical video!! I wait for these all the time, keep it up!!
Love listening to this channel while doing hw! Keep up the good work!
I find it so strange that tons of people in history have met. It's like they're all characters in a story. Cicero, Mark Antony, Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, etc. etc.
Your animations are getting better and better, it's fantastic!
Every few months I come back and watch all the Roman related content and I love it more every time, unbelievable work
whats up
One of my favorite videos on UA-cam. You tell a really good story!
You missed the “in catilinam” cicero wrote when convincing the senate of catilina’s wrongdoing. Shrugging it off as “not Cicero’s finest moment” does not do justice to a speech so iconic that we still use the way it was structured and how it plays it’s audience today.
Another important matter you missed was that Cicero later lived in fear of prosecution for his decision to execute the rebel leaders
As someone who studied latin and Cicero by exstension, I see these two matters as very important regarding this part of Cicero’s life. Why did you not include them?
Cicero's movements could be taken as tyrannical in a lot of cases. It's pretty interesting that the senate seems to go along with it but when Cesar made similar moves they were outraged.
then again, there's still a significant difference.
Cicero who didn't even become a dictator. Caesar who got to be dictator for life.
Cicero who was content with the still-significant honorific of Father of the Fatherland. Caesar whose list of titles rival the Habsburg monarchs'.
Cicero's white toga. Caesar's purple robes.
of course i'm not going to just look away at how utterly scuffed the Republic was ever since the murder of the Gracchi brothers, but if there's anyone who could have really restored the Republic, it's Cicero. no matter Caesar's greatness, i deplore him just as much as i deplore Napoleon for exactly the same reasons.
Caesar and Cicero were equally great leaders in their own time. Cicero as a compromiser in a time of great divison, Caesar as a stabiliser after civil war
I have always enjoyed history, in particular Roman history. Your channel has filled so many gaps and fulfilled questions I had. You never disappoint, ever. 👍👍
Yes please! Thanks for this lovely video, made my day.
6 Caesar supporters went mad over this video.
"BLAAAARG!"
44 now!!!
M. Chen 52
Im really curious why people actually bother to press dislike on this. What is the motivation?
A good way to prevent getting videos of the same type or theme from appearing in your recommendation list. I do not approve of this method, but guilty of it too - disliked a few shitty compilation videos, never seen them again.
The place of execution was called the Tullianum. Rome had no jail until MUCH later. Because it was forbidden to break the skin of a Roman citizen. That's why the symbol of power was a bundle of rods (The Fasces). A Citizen could be beaten but not cut. That is why executions were either hangings or the doomed person was thrown off a cliff.
This channel is my new favorite.
Thank you for the series
This has such a new meaning now.
I never really would have considered that Roman political history is just as, if not more, entertaining than Roman military history. I especially love the little facts like how houses were normally open and the jail was a cistern. Great work as always!
I always love your videos they make my day. Thank you so much for doing this !
Thank you for delievering us history.Nice of you to share knowledge. keep it flowing.
Another excellent video. According to what I've read, the full details of the Cataline Conspiracy are rather murky. Your interpretation makes the most sense. Although, we'll never really know what actually happened, given the circumstances
I hope you're doing a video on Sulla next.
Problem is that Sulla and Marius will take multiple videos, just like Caesar. The Marius-Sulla civil war was really bloody whereby when Sulla was out fighting a war, the Marian faction will murdered Sullan supporters inside Rome. And then Sulla wins his war and came back to return the favor to the Marian faction.
Love your videos! thanks a lot! keep them going!
Another video worth watching and worth the wait...thanks
I like to believe that the execution of the prisoners DID set a dangerous authoritarian precedent for the future, one that led Caesar to become who he was.
this is some Game of Thrones level shit
The only difference is that real history doesn't need dragons to be interesting.
tbh, GoT isn't interesting because of dragons. It's cool because of dragons, but not 'interesting'
it's interesting because of other reasons^^
Bewbs
haha no :D
Most of the events in Game of Thrones are based on real life. The Red Wedding is taken beat for beat from the Massacre of Erbil in 216AD, in which the Roman Emperor Caracalla killed the entire Parthian royal family.
I love your material! Thank you
Maaan, I love your videos.