@@thanesgames9685 Electives are usually a district thing. They most likely cancelled it because the only teacher qualified to teach it had to leave or had too many other more popular classes to teach.
Except when they would purge the records of individuals they didn't like, and then historians of the time would lie about those figures because they didn't like them.
"Again, in a dispute with Cicero, Metellus Nepos asked repeatedly ‘Who is your father?’ ‘In your case,’ said Cicero, ‘your mother has made the answer to this question rather difficult."
The more I hear about the late republic, the more I think there should be a whole TV series about it, at the style of House of Cards. It should go from the time Caesar was still a Quaestor until the Ides of March, or maybe going all the way to Octavian becoming emperor.
I don't understand how the Senate couldn't handle the situation, like juste saying : "Yo Claudius, swords are forbidden, you killed some random people in the streets of Rome, stop that or we will arrest you." They had no power at all? No armed forces that could be called in case of emergency?
I'm assuming Clodius' potential arrest or execution would cause even more unrest among those who favoured him, which were many at the time. If the Senate stopped Clodius, his supporters would only act even more violently and direct all their anger towards all senators, not just those who openly defied Clodius. Besides, I remember reading somewhere that there wasn't an actual patrol service like sentinels or guards. The patricians would employ hired thugs like mafia lords would employ "soldiers" as bodyguards and henchmen for dirty work, but there was no official public security service to guard the streets. The romans were expected to behave because tradition and etiquette wanted so, but there was nothing to stop you if you meant to rob someone as long as you could get away with it. Don't take my words for fact though, this is only my subjective point of view and I may have gotten some things wrong, most likely.
Rome at the time lacked any sort of real police force, and soldiers weren't supposed to be allowed into the city. It wasn't until the time of Augustus that Rome had something that could be sort of recognized as formal firefighters or police. Rome didn't even have anything to place to imprison people en masse. There wasn't any sort of prison system, only jail before trials.
Frankie King Then if there were no actual prisons where convicts would serve their time, what would happen to someone judged guilty after a trial? As in, what were the sentences/penalties other than execution, exile and enslavement/forced labour? The payment of a fine? Corporeal punishments? Penal colonies? Or were there prison facilities outside of the capital in some remote area of the Republic?
My favorite thing about this series is that it shatters this long standing idea that Rome was some kind of stable super lawful nation Like, sure they loved their laws and they wrote lots and lots of them, but stability and legitimacy was always in question From a modern perspective we think of a country and a government as things that are very rigid but in Rome, things were always in flux, always changing with those who were able to grab control
That really only became the case in the last years of the republic, from 244 AUC when the king Lucius Tarquinius Superbus was expelled to the beginning of Sulla’s civil war in 641 the republic was remarkably stable. However that stability was dependent on everyone following the conventions of the Roman state, which were first written in the Twelve Tables in 305 AUC and consistently updated and reaffirmed to meet the changing needs of the republic. The republic was a complex machine that required all parts in working order which made it quite delicate, but when that machine was working it was very stable. The problem was that Sulla took a cudgel to that machine and men like Pompey and Caesar refused to allow it to be fixed. Saying that the republic itself was bad or unstable is like sitting on a horse with four broken legs and one eye and then saying that it’s problems come from a bad bloodline.
@@Terry-Hesticle Rome had structural problems long before the Virgin Mary was a twinkle in her mother’s eye. By the time that Christianity was on the rise in the empire Rome was already doomed, if anything the actions of Constantine and his successors prolonged the life of the western empire and helped to secure the east. Please stop repeating Gibbon’s weak thesis.
There will come a day when you will no longer be making these videos, for one reason or another, and I will miss them dearly. There may come a day when UA-cam is no longer there at all. So for now, I'm glad we live in the god damn golden age of the Internet. Thanks for existing, bro. Keep it up.
Fun fact: Not only did Metellus Nepos get into it with Cato the Younger, but right before that, out of spite over the Catiline executions, he did the same thing to Cicero that Clodius did to Bibulus, keeping Cicero from speaking at the end of his consular term. It took a while for Cicero to forgive him for that.
*I would like to recommend a trilogy of books written by Robert Harris. Told from the view from Tiro, Cicero's secretary, slave and good friend, it's some of the best historical fiction that I have ever read in my life. It basically covers Cicero's rise in power and fame all the way until his downfall. The characters and dialogue are so well written that you feel like you're apart of the story*
I love this guy. He's so educational but makes the learning really hilarious. Never stop, Historia Civilis. 653k subs is not okay. This is 2.5m subs content
@@Terry-Hesticle its not that he butchers the names its that the language does, and it would be pretty weird if he suddenly gained a perfect roman accent in the middle of his sentence lol
He definetly deserves way more than he is getting but in a way i prefer him being a small channel. It's like going to a local quality restaurant compared to a popular chain restaurant.
I have to say I love your video. The narration is excellent. The visual, even if they are simple, do a perfect job into understanding the situation and the whole structure is easy to follow. Great job.
Read Cicero's Pro Milone. Basically: Milo kills Clodius in a fistfight, gets sued, Cicero comes to the rescue but gets laughed at (wrote a neat speech though), so Milo gets kicked out of rome. Milo later writes Cicero after reading his finished speech that if he would have held that speech he couldn't enjoy such good food outside of italy now (because he wouldn't have been banished). You just got spoilered on things that happened over 2000 years ago.
You know what's funny? I've never heard of your channel before. And lately, I've been watching a lot of videos on Warhammer 40k. So I saw this is in my recommended videos section. Saw the channel name "Historia Civilis" (which for those who don't know is the same style of naming used by the Imperium in 40k). After seeing the name, I thought "Oh ok, another channel about 40k, presumably about it's history." I saw the name of the video, specifically the word chaos. I thought "must be about some chaos heresy event I never read about." I started the video, and then was surprised to find it was just about actual history and had nothing to do with 40k. That's pretty funny right? Anyway, here's a free subscriber.
I really love your videos man. I watch them every time they come out as soon as I can. One thing I would really love to see is that you would make a playlist in order of the best way to watch certain periods of time so that everything is able to be grasped at once and no critical information is in a video from a year ago, etc. When a new video only comes out once or twice per month, it's hard to remember what took place in the previous video when watching the current one, not to mention the fact that the chronology of your videos jumps around as you release them. You're still doing great things, keep up the good work!
C'mon man that's a disgrace. You know damn well you are supposed to have both porn and this video going at the same time. How else is Debbie gonna do the Roman Senate?
I'm currently reading 'Dictator' by Robert Harris and I love how I read the indeapth 'semi fictionalised' accounts and then you get get a sort of overview of the chapters in these videos! just ties it all together!! (I highly recommend the books in that series btw)
how exactly did clodius not get arrested? and sentenced? him and his group of thugs went around murdering people and there were witnessess including senators who saw him do it. even with ceasar and pompeys support it should be an open and shut case.
RandomAsshole "Too many of the great men had some link or other with the Claudii and saw no reason to break with Clodius on behalf of a "new man". In the middle of March ... Cicero fled the city to go into voluntary exile, and soon passed into deep depression." Then Clodius put forward a bill formalizing the exile.
RandomAsshole after the end of this video, where Clodius is elected aedile. He tries to prosecute Milo for political violence (lol) but Milo had Pompey and Cicero on his defense team, so that didn't work. Anyway, this goes on for years until Clodius is killed when his and Milo's supporters met each other on the Appian way. The next day, his supporters brought his body into the Senate House and burned it down.
You underestimate the power of the Triumvirate. If the Triumvirate said it was raining then it was raining regardless of the actual weather. They had the Plebs, Army, Money, Land, and prestige.
2:19 This is the moment that the Roman Republic died. Once someone sets the precedent that they can flagrantly disrupt the democratic process in that manner - especially with such violence - and get away with it, it is inevitable that it will happen again and again until someone seizes power and starts a dictatorship. After this slaughter, Rome was a dead republic walking. Even if Caesar didn’t kill the republicans shortly after, it was inevitable that someone would.
Netflix actually just put out an original series about Commodus, Marcus Aurelius' kid who was emperor for 12 yrs, like 2 centuries after this vid though
Ben Scott There is that, but it’s not that interesting because Commodus was just a shitty politician and he did absolutely nothing to advance Rome’s military gains either to make up for it. I prefer the days of the Republic or early Empire, where politicians were good generals too; not the era of these spoiled emperors, who had a spoon in their mouth their whole lives.
HBO’s Rome was supposed to be much more lengthy. But it was too expensive to produce and the series was truncated to only the major events lasting 2 seasons.
How was claudious not immediately arrested and stripped of all titles and powers for openly breaking the law and murdering multiple romans in the open OVER AND OVER?
Claudius was not a great guy but I think I have heard more negativity about Milo than was mentioned here. But it was a while ago that I red it so I am not sure. And that might happen later.
I went back and watched the video on Clodius because my first reaction to this video was "Damn, why does Clodius have to be such a dick?" Gotta remember, he was the dude that got outed for crossdressing while attempting to seduce Cesar's wife. Dude was fucked up.
I really laughed on the part when Cicero discovered his home turned into a *FRIGGIN' TEMPLE!* A beautiful dick move that no one replicates today. Also is this year when the cracks between Caesar and Pompey become wider?
It's crazy because in 2020, people actually tore down statues of historical figures and erected shrines in George Floyd's honor. When you consider this, it's actually sort of similar.
Up until a couple centuries ago, almost no governments had law enforcement. It didn't exist. The state in the vast majority of civilizations was relatively weak.
It is not entirely honest to claim Clodius brought it to a whole new level. How can you forget Tiberius Gracchus, where The opposing senators obstructed his re-election by gathering a force and had Tiberius with 300 of his supporters clubbed to death in front of the forum. Or what happened to his brother 10 years later.
Yes, but clubbing is not swords. Sure blood was spilled in both cases, but the Gracchus brothers' incidents did not involve swords. Swords were the big forbidden thing.
Sorry but a club is not a little innocent thing and is in no way less harmless than a sword. The club is dangerous weapon utilized in some of the most efficient armies through history. Look up the Aztec, the Inca, the Iroquois, the Egyptians, the Zulu, the Chinese Kanabō, the Japanese Samurai tetsubo, the British WW1 trench raiding club, heck the mace is a straight descendant of the club. No weapons were not allowed inside Rome, so to circumvent this the gangs armed themselves with extremely deadly walking sticks, just like the Irish later one would with their Shillelagh (google it, it's not a nice thing and you’d pee yourself facing these even if you were to armed with a sword). When the winners claim to have been dragged into war against their will and only just so happened to be able to raise their own armed forces in nick of time in a so called weapon free zone, your alarm bells should begin to ring, especially when the same people have a history of mass murder of their political opposition and executions without trial in a culture which is proud of its legal system. I am not bashing your video, I am just hoping to expand your horizon. :) History is a complicated thing, we can't even agree on our current history, like things that happened during presidential elections anno 2016 or if the failed coup attempt in Turkey really was a victory for democracy or if the Russian bombings of Syria truly ar to combat terror (heck even the American bombings are a mixed bag).
I apologize if it seemed like I was saying that the club was less harmless, or that the death by clubbing is insignificant. But my point, and I think that the point of this video is that swords inside Rome was a great bit of symbolism, because well, the Roman army used swords, not clubs. This was a big symbolic action that Clodius was bold enough to put army like people in Rome. And yes, the prior death matters quite a bit at the time of the Gracci. Symbolism also matters quite a bit in the public conscious about what the social conventions are. Not that any of your points are invalid, it's just different focuses on the complexities of history.
Love your channel. Its so polished and you bring up topics that people wouldnt normally look up.. pay attention to... care about.. Youre doing great. thanks for this and all the others.
zach trausan History is like that. It's taught boringly, but the details and context make more interesting. Example; ever hear of John the Just of Portugal? The guy had a secret romance with a princess, whom his father hated. His father had her murdered. John rebelled against his father, hunted the killers and personally ripped out their hearts. He then serenaded about her till his death years later. He was a popular king, but they don't go into details in text books about how nuts the court politics were.
I really appreciate your work. With a heavy heart I hope that your videos will be around to show my children.(maybe I should try and download them) You are a great speaker and obviously a great story teller and sincerely interested in the world before our birth. Ave
All this feels so surreal. The way everything is documented. The way this is animated and how the narrator speaks. The Romans sure did preserve their history well. They were way ahead of their times. This feels so familiar yet happened thousands of years ago
*Looks at thumbnail* yay! another cgp grey video! *Starts watching* this isn't cgp grey! wait what channel is this?!? *Looks at channel name* I don't remember this channel... *Looks at channel picture* oooh! that history channel with the awesome battles of the squares!!!
Came back here to listen to that very relevant line "When it's no longer safe for Senators to go about their daily business you know the political violence is out of control" 11:15
Greetings from 4OCT2020! We've got similar partisan clashes of armed mobs in America right now. It's reassuring in a weird way to know that we're not the only republic that's had strife like this.
I really like your videos; to think you can find a very happy place with boxes and plain lettering. Its AWESOME! GREAT WAY TO DO IT! SINKS IN MAN! GREAT JOB!
Thank you so much for your videos, they are absolutely fantastic. Sometimes you mispronounce Latin words or names like Léntulus, but it's a minor deal, a speck of dust compared to the hard work you've put into these wonderful videos.
Holy crap!! Someone please explain to me - how was this possible? It appears as everyone knew that Clodius was responsible for the violence. He was breaking the laws. He was apparently SHOWING himself together with his gang of criminals when they were committing murders in Rome? Why wasn't he put to trial or told/pressured to stop? Did senators have immunity? I understand that he, as a political figure, might have had strong support, but Cicero's was even stronger, right? And his deeds are just OUTRAGEOUS.
Despite them appearing equal Caesar was the boss of the Triumvirate and the Triumvirate were all powerful in Rome and Clodius had Caesars support (more chaos was good for Caesar).
Mataeus The Apostate He really was, he was the person who started it and whom it revolved around which can be seen in the fact that Pompey and Crassus start bickering as soon as Caesar leaves Rome and they do not really stop until they meet Caesar at Lucca. Both Pompey and Crassus danced to Caesars tune and it took serious convincing and Crassus dying before Pompey was willing to betray Caesar and even then it was tentatively and he had the entire senate on his side (practically). Nothing happened in the Triumvirate without Caesars say so and yet Crassus and Pompey were often undermined by Caesar and each other. Crassus even admits that he is inferior to Caesar and yet he acts like Pompey's equal.
Great Alexander No he really wasn't. He didn't have the same amount of prestige or auctoritas at this point among the romans. He may have been able to manipulate them on some major points, and he would eventually gain the most from the relationship, but it was only ever a working relationship as long as all three felt they were profiting from it. They were all getting something from the deal, and Caesar needed them as much as they needed him. BTW, Where did Crassus ever admit that he was Caesar's inferior?
Metellus Nepos Quintus 1:34 End Cicero’s Banishment 2:20 Clodius Gladiator Assault Milo rallies his Gladiators Clodius vs Milo Gang Warfare 4:33 *Bring Back Cicero!* 6:33 Thanks Pompey Food Shortage Special Commissioner Pompey 8:39 Cicero wants his home back. Cicero will get some of the cost back 10:55 Clodius Gang Attacks Cicero!
If the actions of the Mafia/Yakuza/Cartel are illegal why is nobody stopping them? Why are prominent criminals allowed to be public figures? To understand the past just look at the present. Once you find the parallel you might just predict the future as well.
Wow, destroying someone's home and building a potentially long-term staying temple there so that he can't ever rebuild there is savage. So much hatred from Clodius towards Cicero...
Franz Luggin thumbs up meant killing the gladiator, thumbs down was to spare the gladiator. Movies have it reversed, and movies made that popular, including the thumbs up and thumbs down on youtube.
its amazing how you can trace the fall of republic rome in every video, pivotal events take place to escalate things every time, good job. ps make another video!
The second Clodius started having armed supporters murdering people and burning down homes, he should have been spending the rest of his life up on a cross. Late Republic Rome really was just... crumbling to the ground.
It is astonishing how much we know about political beefs that went down more than 2000 years ago! Romans sure as hell knew how to document things!
Jack the Gestapo sounds fun
Jesus. What state did that?
@@thanesgames9685 Electives are usually a district thing. They most likely cancelled it because the only teacher qualified to teach it had to leave or had too many other more popular classes to teach.
@@eewweeppkk gather your leigons.
Except when they would purge the records of individuals they didn't like, and then historians of the time would lie about those figures because they didn't like them.
11:50 lmao even in street fights they left the third line in reserve
Lol nice catch
Just in case another army arrives late lol
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Romans being romans !
Yep.
"And, sadly, it will only get worse." cheerful music starts playing.
God when planning 2020 & 21
@@nigelcarter6895 underrated comment
@@somedood07God planning 2023 and 2024
"Again, in a dispute with Cicero, Metellus Nepos asked repeatedly ‘Who is your father?’ ‘In your case,’ said Cicero, ‘your mother has made the answer to this question rather difficult."
😂😂
Literally an ancient "your mom" joke, love my boy Cicero
The most polite your moms a whore joke ever.
The more I hear about the late republic, the more I think there should be a whole TV series about it, at the style of House of Cards. It should go from the time Caesar was still a Quaestor until the Ides of March, or maybe going all the way to Octavian becoming emperor.
Bruh I’d love this
There is a HBO Rome series that’s pretty good
Yeah there already is one. HBO Rome
Yeah we need better HBO Rome
You’re right. We DO need a TV show about Rome. One that ISNT canceled after two seasons >:(
I don't understand how the Senate couldn't handle the situation, like juste saying :
"Yo Claudius, swords are forbidden, you killed some random people in the streets of Rome, stop that or we will arrest you."
They had no power at all? No armed forces that could be called in case of emergency?
they could, but he was a popular senator
But mass shooters are getting arrested (or killed), Clodius didnt, so thats a pretty big difference.
I'm assuming Clodius' potential arrest or execution would cause even more unrest among those who favoured him, which were many at the time. If the Senate stopped Clodius, his supporters would only act even more violently and direct all their anger towards all senators, not just those who openly defied Clodius. Besides, I remember reading somewhere that there wasn't an actual patrol service like sentinels or guards. The patricians would employ hired thugs like mafia lords would employ "soldiers" as bodyguards and henchmen for dirty work, but there was no official public security service to guard the streets. The romans were expected to behave because tradition and etiquette wanted so, but there was nothing to stop you if you meant to rob someone as long as you could get away with it.
Don't take my words for fact though, this is only my subjective point of view and I may have gotten some things wrong, most likely.
Rome at the time lacked any sort of real police force, and soldiers weren't supposed to be allowed into the city. It wasn't until the time of Augustus that Rome had something that could be sort of recognized as formal firefighters or police. Rome didn't even have anything to place to imprison people en masse. There wasn't any sort of prison system, only jail before trials.
Frankie King
Then if there were no actual prisons where convicts would serve their time, what would happen to someone judged guilty after a trial? As in, what were the sentences/penalties other than execution, exile and enslavement/forced labour? The payment of a fine? Corporeal punishments? Penal colonies? Or were there prison facilities outside of the capital in some remote area of the Republic?
My favorite thing about this series is that it shatters this long standing idea that Rome was some kind of stable super lawful nation
Like, sure they loved their laws and they wrote lots and lots of them, but stability and legitimacy was always in question
From a modern perspective we think of a country and a government as things that are very rigid but in Rome, things were always in flux, always changing with those who were able to grab control
I think the political history of Rome is interesting for just that reason.
Depends on what period you are talking about I think. They had their moments of stability, but also their moments of 'lol not'.
I gather it will continue to be the case until the end of the world.
That really only became the case in the last years of the republic, from 244 AUC when the king Lucius Tarquinius Superbus was expelled to the beginning of Sulla’s civil war in 641 the republic was remarkably stable. However that stability was dependent on everyone following the conventions of the Roman state, which were first written in the Twelve Tables in 305 AUC and consistently updated and reaffirmed to meet the changing needs of the republic.
The republic was a complex machine that required all parts in working order which made it quite delicate, but when that machine was working it was very stable. The problem was that Sulla took a cudgel to that machine and men like Pompey and Caesar refused to allow it to be fixed. Saying that the republic itself was bad or unstable is like sitting on a horse with four broken legs and one eye and then saying that it’s problems come from a bad bloodline.
@@Terry-Hesticle Rome had structural problems long before the Virgin Mary was a twinkle in her mother’s eye. By the time that Christianity was on the rise in the empire Rome was already doomed, if anything the actions of Constantine and his successors prolonged the life of the western empire and helped to secure the east. Please stop repeating Gibbon’s weak thesis.
I wonder if in 2000 years some alien will make a hologram about western politics in 2016 and upload it to Space-tube.
If they won't I will be disappointed
No, they will hopefully still talk about Rome!
As long as they do everything with squares and rectangles it will be good
Cameron Hutchinson we wil do it ourselves
pitman man well he did say holograms, so it'd probably be cubes
There will come a day when you will no longer be making these videos, for one reason or another, and I will miss them dearly. There may come a day when UA-cam is no longer there at all.
So for now, I'm glad we live in the god damn golden age of the Internet.
Thanks for existing, bro. Keep it up.
true amazing that we live during the golden age of the internet, lets hope the internet doesn't end up like rome
i will make them then
Corey Messick
Holy shit, how many videos do you have? Mother of god.
I miss when the internet took effort and a bit of know how to use. Now any gibbering fool can use it and spread their poop all over it.
There will be something better by that time.
Best. Title. Ever
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@@end.olives if give it 6.5
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Fun fact: Not only did Metellus Nepos get into it with Cato the Younger, but right before that, out of spite over the Catiline executions, he did the same thing to Cicero that Clodius did to Bibulus, keeping Cicero from speaking at the end of his consular term. It took a while for Cicero to forgive him for that.
Oh wow. Poor Marcus.
*I would like to recommend a trilogy of books written by Robert Harris. Told from the view from Tiro, Cicero's secretary, slave and good friend, it's some of the best historical fiction that I have ever read in my life. It basically covers Cicero's rise in power and fame all the way until his downfall. The characters and dialogue are so well written that you feel like you're apart of the story*
Yea I’ve read one of them it’s good. Read I Claudius that’s good too
Bold my njts
I love how he ties all his videos together with references to the previous videos and sets it up like a story. Hail Civilis.
yea stuff like that is great!
(also good mumei pfp)
Pompey fixing the grain shortage? I thought he would've abandoned Rome, fled to Greece and not take enough initiative
He needed the support
You just described Brutus after Caesar's assassination
I love this guy. He's so educational but makes the learning really hilarious.
Never stop, Historia Civilis.
653k subs is not okay. This is 2.5m subs content
um achually, the subscreber count change
@@Terry-Hesticle its not that he butchers the names its that the language does, and it would be pretty weird if he suddenly gained a perfect roman accent in the middle of his sentence lol
@@Terry-Hesticle fair
He definetly deserves way more than he is getting but in a way i prefer him being a small channel. It's like going to a local quality restaurant compared to a popular chain restaurant.
I have to say I love your video. The narration is excellent. The visual, even if they are simple, do a perfect job into understanding the situation and the whole structure is easy to follow. Great job.
one of the best channels on youtube
Please show us how it gets worse! Love this content!
Read Cicero's Pro Milone.
Basically: Milo kills Clodius in a fistfight, gets sued, Cicero comes to the rescue but gets laughed at (wrote a neat speech though), so Milo gets kicked out of rome. Milo later writes Cicero after reading his finished speech that if he would have held that speech he couldn't enjoy such good food outside of italy now (because he wouldn't have been banished).
You just got spoilered on things that happened over 2000 years ago.
Bro, spoilers!
FUCK OFFFFFFF
He just left us with blue balls!
Cihat Duman
Clodius dies, Milo gets banished.
You know what's funny? I've never heard of your channel before. And lately, I've been watching a lot of videos on Warhammer 40k. So I saw this is in my recommended videos section. Saw the channel name "Historia Civilis" (which for those who don't know is the same style of naming used by the Imperium in 40k). After seeing the name, I thought "Oh ok, another channel about 40k, presumably about it's history." I saw the name of the video, specifically the word chaos. I thought "must be about some chaos heresy event I never read about." I started the video, and then was surprised to find it was just about actual history and had nothing to do with 40k.
That's pretty funny right? Anyway, here's a free subscriber.
Same style of naming... you mean, latin?
HIGH GOTHIC
To be honest that's what almost drove me away, I imagined "must be something about 40k"
Later I realized it was latin
"then was surprised to find it was just about actual history and had nothing to do with 40k"
Insert chortling here.
Look at this fascist piece of shit lmao
I really love your videos man. I watch them every time they come out as soon as I can.
One thing I would really love to see is that you would make a playlist in order of the best way to watch certain periods of time so that everything is able to be grasped at once and no critical information is in a video from a year ago, etc. When a new video only comes out once or twice per month, it's hard to remember what took place in the previous video when watching the current one, not to mention the fact that the chronology of your videos jumps around as you release them. You're still doing great things, keep up the good work!
he actually did it wow
i stopped watching porn when i got your notification. That's how much i love your videos.
I stopped arguing about the US election when I got this vid notification lol
I literally laughed out loud when I read those comments....
The power of boners is always stronger... unless Historia Civilis releases a new video.
+thegreatmoustachio
The normal boner just evolves into a history boner.
C'mon man that's a disgrace. You know damn well you are supposed to have both porn and this video going at the same time. How else is Debbie gonna do the Roman Senate?
I can’t believe how contemporary this all sounds. More so today than when the video was published.
I'm currently reading 'Dictator' by Robert Harris and I love how I read the indeapth 'semi fictionalised' accounts and then you get get a sort of overview of the chapters in these videos! just ties it all together!!
(I highly recommend the books in that series btw)
Hah, I was just thinking to myself that it had been a while since your last video.
it's been awhile since you were last awake
Octavian Augustus Caesar
Augustus !!!
Do you still have nightmares for the teutoborg forest ?
@@greco-romanfanboi7054 you sent him back into the PTSD zone. Why did you say those words?!
how exactly did clodius not get arrested? and sentenced? him and his group of thugs went around murdering people and there were witnessess including senators who saw him do it. even with ceasar and pompeys support it should be an open and shut case.
RandomAsshole I have Goldsworthy's "Caesar: Life of a Colossus" and I'll quote from it a bit regarding Clodius.
RandomAsshole "Too many of the great men had some link or other with the Claudii and saw no reason to break with Clodius on behalf of a "new man". In the middle of March ... Cicero fled the city to go into voluntary exile, and soon passed into deep depression." Then Clodius put forward a bill formalizing the exile.
RandomAsshole after the end of this video, where Clodius is elected aedile. He tries to prosecute Milo for political violence (lol) but Milo had Pompey and Cicero on his defense team, so that didn't work. Anyway, this goes on for years until Clodius is killed when his and Milo's supporters met each other on the Appian way. The next day, his supporters brought his body into the Senate House and burned it down.
You underestimate the power of the Triumvirate. If the Triumvirate said it was raining then it was raining regardless of the actual weather. They had the Plebs, Army, Money, Land, and prestige.
Leetsarge Good ending I guess.
This series is soooooooo good.
You uploaded 15 minutes before I have to leave for work, perfect!
gotta love some historia
GOD'S BE PRAISED! EVERY ROMAN CAN NOW REJOICE BECAUSE HISTORIA HAS RELEASED A NEW VIDEO!
Best channel i'm subscribed to. Great way of presenting things.
I have a bunch of clones.
You are like Palpatine ...Jeb
I literally check ur channel every day to see if u uploaded a new video.. YAS
4:24 Somehow I hear Ceasar call "This is violence!" 😅 Well done Historia Civilis, you are in my head now ^^
2:19 This is the moment that the Roman Republic died. Once someone sets the precedent that they can flagrantly disrupt the democratic process in that manner - especially with such violence - and get away with it, it is inevitable that it will happen again and again until someone seizes power and starts a dictatorship. After this slaughter, Rome was a dead republic walking. Even if Caesar didn’t kill the republicans shortly after, it was inevitable that someone would.
Why isn't there a TV series covering all of this? I know HBOs Rome kinda does but that's the end of the whole story.
Netflix actually just put out an original series about Commodus, Marcus Aurelius' kid who was emperor for 12 yrs, like 2 centuries after this vid though
What is that series called?
***** Thanks :)
Ben Scott There is that, but it’s not that interesting because Commodus was just a shitty politician and he did absolutely nothing to advance Rome’s military gains either to make up for it. I prefer the days of the Republic or early Empire, where politicians were good generals too; not the era of these spoiled emperors, who had a spoon in their mouth their whole lives.
HBO’s Rome was supposed to be much more lengthy. But it was too expensive to produce and the series was truncated to only the major events lasting 2 seasons.
I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw your notification. It's going to be a good evening,
How was claudious not immediately arrested and stripped of all titles and powers for openly breaking the law and murdering multiple romans in the open OVER AND OVER?
What a channel!!
After everything that happened this past year (2020/Jan21) this episode hits differently
For sure
"Nobody's year: Chaos (2020 CE)"
I don't know if you're inherently anti-Claudias or pro-Milo but Claudias really comes across as the bad guy.
Claudius was not a great guy but I think I have heard more negativity about Milo than was mentioned here. But it was a while ago that I red it so I am not sure. And that might happen later.
Sara Samaletdin Would be interesting to see the differences, do you by any chance have any good sources on Milo?
I went back and watched the video on Clodius because my first reaction to this video was "Damn, why does Clodius have to be such a dick?"
Gotta remember, he was the dude that got outed for crossdressing while attempting to seduce Cesar's wife. Dude was fucked up.
bobrussle exactly he didn't come out good in that video and kind of broke the democracy of the republic and here he comes out even worse.
clodius created milo through his actions
I really laughed on the part when Cicero discovered his home turned into a *FRIGGIN' TEMPLE!*
A beautiful dick move that no one replicates today.
Also is this year when the cracks between Caesar and Pompey become wider?
It's crazy because in 2020, people actually tore down statues of historical figures and erected shrines in George Floyd's honor. When you consider this, it's actually sort of similar.
@@MegaFIare bruh
Did the Romans not have police or something?
Tommy Tom I'm gonna guess they didn't, because the entire idea of the city of Rome was for it to be free of weapons.
Up until a couple centuries ago, almost no governments had law enforcement. It didn't exist. The state in the vast majority of civilizations was relatively weak.
No. Rome was a pre-police state.
Praetorian Guard, but that is later. Urban Cohort as well. But it's not really police. More like, martial law.
They had lictors, but that was about it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor
It is not entirely honest to claim Clodius brought it to a whole new level. How can you forget Tiberius Gracchus, where The opposing senators obstructed his re-election by gathering a force and had Tiberius with 300 of his supporters clubbed to death in front of the forum. Or what happened to his brother 10 years later.
This
Yes, but clubbing is not swords. Sure blood was spilled in both cases, but the Gracchus brothers' incidents did not involve swords. Swords were the big forbidden thing.
Sorry but a club is not a little innocent thing and is in no way less harmless than a sword. The club is dangerous weapon utilized in some of the most efficient armies through history.
Look up the Aztec, the Inca, the Iroquois, the Egyptians, the Zulu, the Chinese Kanabō, the Japanese Samurai tetsubo, the British WW1 trench raiding club, heck the mace is a straight descendant of the club.
No weapons were not allowed inside Rome, so to circumvent this the gangs armed themselves with extremely deadly walking sticks, just like the Irish later one would with their Shillelagh (google it, it's not a nice thing and you’d pee yourself facing these even if you were to armed with a sword).
When the winners claim to have been dragged into war against their will and only just so happened to be able to raise their own armed forces in nick of time in a so called weapon free zone, your alarm bells should begin to ring, especially when the same people have a history of mass murder of their political opposition and executions without trial in a culture which is proud of its legal system.
I am not bashing your video, I am just hoping to expand your horizon. :) History is a complicated thing, we can't even agree on our current history, like things that happened during presidential elections anno 2016 or if the failed coup attempt in Turkey really was a victory for democracy or if the Russian bombings of Syria truly ar to combat terror (heck even the American bombings are a mixed bag).
I apologize if it seemed like I was saying that the club was less harmless, or that the death by clubbing is insignificant.
But my point, and I think that the point of this video is that swords inside Rome was a great bit of symbolism, because well, the Roman army used swords, not clubs. This was a big symbolic action that Clodius was bold enough to put army like people in Rome.
And yes, the prior death matters quite a bit at the time of the Gracci. Symbolism also matters quite a bit in the public conscious about what the social conventions are. Not that any of your points are invalid, it's just different focuses on the complexities of history.
But that happened 80 years before so not really recent climate, a precedent at most.
Love these videos. Keep up the fantastic research.
Love your channel. Its so polished and you bring up topics that people wouldnt normally look up.. pay attention to... care about.. Youre doing great. thanks for this and all the others.
I feel like I'm watching some sort of soap opera with this XD
The TV series Rome should have focused on this instead of making new up charcaters just to show the lower class perspective.
zach trausan History is like that. It's taught boringly, but the details and context make more interesting.
Example; ever hear of John the Just of Portugal? The guy had a secret romance with a princess, whom his father hated. His father had her murdered. John rebelled against his father, hunted the killers and personally ripped out their hearts. He then serenaded about her till his death years later. He was a popular king, but they don't go into details in text books about how nuts the court politics were.
I really appreciate your work.
With a heavy heart I hope that your videos will be around to show my children.(maybe I should try and download them)
You are a great speaker and obviously a great story teller and sincerely interested in the world before our birth.
Ave
All this feels so surreal. The way everything is documented. The way this is animated and how the narrator speaks. The Romans sure did preserve their history well. They were way ahead of their times. This feels so familiar yet happened thousands of years ago
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It's utterly amazing how unpunished violence went, and how close "might" was to being "right"! THANK YOU FOR THESE AWESOME VIDEOS!!!
People lived and died at the whim of murderers. Still is the same to this die.
"Furthermore, I am of the opinion that @HistoriaCivilis must make more videos about the Late Roman Republic." Cato The Elder
Just found your channel, absolutely love it, one of the easiest subs I've ever made.
All praise Chaos Undivided!
expect nurgle, he's a groos fuck
blood for the blood god!
Undivided, you say? Can you not see the glorious machinations of Tzeentch at play?
A Warhammer reference was inevitable...
Divide et Impera!
I love your chat bubbles. They make me laugh every time! One thing I love about your videos is that they make history fun!
Outstanding video as always!
"Favor, for a favor, that's how we do business" - NAS
MVP is Cicero, hands down. His end is very unfortunate.
*Looks at thumbnail* yay! another cgp grey video!
*Starts watching* this isn't cgp grey! wait what channel is this?!?
*Looks at channel name* I don't remember this channel...
*Looks at channel picture* oooh! that history channel with the awesome battles of the squares!!!
Alex Stefanov Why is this so relatable.
Aronnch 2016
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It's hip
With the videos on Roman and Greek voting systems, this guy is pretty much the CGP Grey of history.
that title alone made me like the video
ANOTHER VIDEO UPLOADED BY HISTORIA!!!!!! GODS BE PRAISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This channel is an absolute favorite.
Came back here to listen to that very relevant line "When it's no longer safe for Senators to go about their daily business you know the political violence is out of control" 11:15
I cannot say it enough man, your vids are like cocaine. I absolutely love every one. Please never stop making them
Greetings from 4OCT2020! We've got similar partisan clashes of armed mobs in America right now. It's reassuring in a weird way to know that we're not the only republic that's had strife like this.
I wait for your videos every week, you really set the stage well to make it all relate-able.
Thanks!
There's an odd comfort that comes from watching these and knowing politics in our time is relatively tame.
At least there aren’t street gangs in every city that stab each other 24/7
@@CC-tl3zs uhhhhhhh
'Gangs of Rome.' That would be a great movie!
These are genuinely the videos i get most excited for on youtube
One of the channels I anticipate new content from the most! Keep up the great work!
CHAOS is my favourite consul
I really like your videos; to think you can find a very happy place with boxes and plain lettering. Its AWESOME! GREAT WAY TO DO IT! SINKS IN MAN! GREAT JOB!
Great content, friend keep it up!
That cliffhanger. YOU ARE KILLING ME. MAKE THIS VIDEO RIGHT GODDAMN NOW!!!!
I know we've said it before, but this is Nobody's Year: CHAOS (2020 A. D.)
I'm amazed that a man leading a gang around Rome murdering people was just ignored.
someone needs to make a roman empire themed game where everyone is a square
This is one of the best channels of UA-cam right now.
I´ve just suscribed ;)
Thank you so much for your videos, they are absolutely fantastic. Sometimes you mispronounce Latin words or names like Léntulus, but it's a minor deal, a speck of dust compared to the hard work you've put into these wonderful videos.
Even though I knew all of that I love your videos, probably one of the best channels in youtube.
Holy crap!! Someone please explain to me - how was this possible?
It appears as everyone knew that Clodius was responsible for the violence. He was breaking the laws. He was apparently SHOWING himself together with his gang of criminals when they were committing murders in Rome? Why wasn't he put to trial or told/pressured to stop? Did senators have immunity? I understand that he, as a political figure, might have had strong support, but Cicero's was even stronger, right? And his deeds are just OUTRAGEOUS.
Despite them appearing equal Caesar was the boss of the Triumvirate and the Triumvirate were all powerful in Rome and Clodius had Caesars support (more chaos was good for Caesar).
Caesar wasn't the boss of the Triumvirate, especially at this point.
Mataeus The Apostate He really was, he was the person who started it and whom it revolved around which can be seen in the fact that Pompey and Crassus start bickering as soon as Caesar leaves Rome and they do not really stop until they meet Caesar at Lucca.
Both Pompey and Crassus danced to Caesars tune and it took serious convincing and Crassus dying before Pompey was willing to betray Caesar and even then it was tentatively and he had the entire senate on his side (practically).
Nothing happened in the Triumvirate without Caesars say so and yet Crassus and Pompey were often undermined by Caesar and each other.
Crassus even admits that he is inferior to Caesar and yet he acts like Pompey's equal.
Rome did not have a police. And Claudius had armed guards and a lot of support. But this story continues from here...
Great Alexander
No he really wasn't. He didn't have the same amount of prestige or auctoritas at this point among the romans. He may have been able to manipulate them on some major points, and he would eventually gain the most from the relationship, but it was only ever a working relationship as long as all three felt they were profiting from it. They were all getting something from the deal, and Caesar needed them as much as they needed him. BTW, Where did Crassus ever admit that he was Caesar's inferior?
Great, another Historia Civilis video, now I have to abandon everything I was doing and watch it. Stop addicting me like that!
Make another one! This was great!
Clodius: it's illegal to execute people without a trial
Also Clodius: KILL THEM ALL!
Finally actual educational content.
Metellus Nepos
Quintus
1:34 End Cicero’s Banishment
2:20 Clodius Gladiator Assault
Milo rallies his Gladiators
Clodius vs Milo Gang Warfare
4:33 *Bring Back Cicero!*
6:33 Thanks Pompey
Food Shortage
Special Commissioner Pompey
8:39 Cicero wants his home back.
Cicero will get some of the cost back
10:55 Clodius Gang Attacks Cicero!
dude I always get so fucking depressed when your videos end
thanks for depicting things as accurately as you can
If clodius" actions were illegal (armed men in Rome), why was he never stopped?
When there's enough chaos and/or support for people such as Clodius it may not always be possible to stop them.
If the actions of the Mafia/Yakuza/Cartel are illegal why is nobody stopping them? Why are prominent criminals allowed to be public figures?
To understand the past just look at the present. Once you find the parallel you might just predict the future as well.
shits really starting to get real! i love these videos man, been subbed since less than 10k, keep up the awesome work!
Wow, destroying someone's home and building a potentially long-term staying temple there so that he can't ever rebuild there is savage.
So much hatred from Clodius towards Cicero...
These can't come out quick enough, thanks for all your hard work!
3:51 you cant stump the milo
to be honest i'm glad this channel never died, I've watched all of the early videos keep up the good work
Historia Civilis after there are gang fights in Rome: “this is anarchy!!!”
2b2t: *are you sure about that*
The oldest anarchy server in Minecraft
Crassus: “Whatever man”
I felt that
it's his year again
Great video, can't get enough!
1813 thumbs up vs 4 thumbs down. Yup. Looks appropriate.
Franz Luggin but was it not the reverse in Rome?
Sorry, what? That one went right over my head, I fear.
Franz Luggin thumbs up meant killing the gladiator, thumbs down was to spare the gladiator. Movies have it reversed, and movies made that popular, including the thumbs up and thumbs down on youtube.
Ohh, right. I see. So if Historia Civilis ever becomes Edile, Rome's gladiators are screwed!
Yeah. Cause the thumb up symbolized the raised blade why the thumb down stood for the lowered
its amazing how you can trace the fall of republic rome in every video, pivotal events take place to escalate things every time, good job.
ps make another video!
9:48 Always imagined Cicero to be like Jericho
The second Clodius started having armed supporters murdering people and burning down homes, he should have been spending the rest of his life up on a cross. Late Republic Rome really was just... crumbling to the ground.
I think 2020 might take this title
Seeing this in my subs feed made my day!