Boudicca (60/61 C.E.)

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  • @jjfajen
    @jjfajen 5 років тому +3430

    "We're surrounded? Excellent, now we can attack in any direction." -Paulinus probably

    • @homoerectus744
      @homoerectus744 4 роки тому +64

      We got them where we want them???

    • @Engy_Wuck
      @Engy_Wuck 4 роки тому +77

      well, that *definitely* wasn't what his namesake Field Marshal Paulus of the 6th Army was thinking in Stalingrad...

    • @Moley1Moleo
      @Moley1Moleo 4 роки тому +19

      It was a target-rich environment.

    • @Eric-ut5ld
      @Eric-ut5ld 3 роки тому +9

      I read this comment like 2 months ago and it has given me a more positive outlook on life.

    • @TheBigMclargehuge
      @TheBigMclargehuge 3 роки тому +3

      Ah yes Paulinus Probablus is likely to have said something like that.

  • @BazBattles
    @BazBattles 8 років тому +1053

    When you try to imagine this beach sacrifice... It should have a huge impact on Roman mentality, I would get back to the boat with a "that's enough for me" face.

    • @Kurvaux
      @Kurvaux 6 років тому +10

      BazBattles wait you guys are here but are like a really obscure comment? Also I like your videos

    • @vynonyoutube1418
      @vynonyoutube1418 4 роки тому +23

      just wait till your commander calls for decimation if you do that.

    • @gustavfrye2736
      @gustavfrye2736 4 роки тому +3

      the Romans couldn't just leave. It would have incited even more revolts in other parts of the empire.

    • @Mitaka.Kotsuka
      @Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 роки тому

      @@vynonyoutube1418 i believe the comander would be the first to turn arround and get back to the boat tou

    • @chocolatepinkspider
      @chocolatepinkspider 4 роки тому +6

      Not gonna lie, first thought was wait, which metal music video was this?

  • @EndOfSmallSanctuary97
    @EndOfSmallSanctuary97 8 років тому +3094

    That story about the giant human sacrifice was creepy as fuck.

    • @CarrowMind
      @CarrowMind 8 років тому +394

      Just imagine what it was like being there, especially considering the Romans were highly superstitious, it must have been absolutely terrifying, no wonder the Romans just stopped moving!

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye 8 років тому +113

      Hardcore, creepy: either, both. I think a certain amount of skepticism is due when all we have to go on are Roman records, though.

    • @aztecaddress6356
      @aztecaddress6356 8 років тому +12

      It's easy to say that there are lots of Extremists in that era.

    • @Boxghost102
      @Boxghost102 8 років тому +133

      Ultimate practical joke.

    • @romulusnuma116
      @romulusnuma116 8 років тому +26

      +Boxghost102 just a prank bro!

  • @joezilla29
    @joezilla29 6 років тому +2850

    "A disorderly mob is no more an army, than a heap of building materials is a house." - Socrates

    • @ambieofilms
      @ambieofilms 5 років тому +8

      hue hue not really. You can apply philosophy to any profession.

    • @steinmaniac7920
      @steinmaniac7920 4 роки тому

      @Tattle Boad U wot m8?

    • @kevcaratacus9428
      @kevcaratacus9428 4 роки тому +13

      Tuong Lu Kim , that's exactly what they were,
      a drunken mob ,
      stealing looting killing, they had women & children with them too!
      It wasn't an army with boudicca , it was a rabble .👍

    • @michaelmoran9020
      @michaelmoran9020 4 роки тому +1

      @Tattle Boad A good course on practical bayesian statistics implicitly includes an understanding of empiricism and induction.

    • @michaelmoran9020
      @michaelmoran9020 4 роки тому +3

      @Tattle Boad I'm rather baffled by this description, the idea of an "objective science" is something I would expect you to mock STEM majors for believing in rather than calling philosophy such. Vast ammounts of continental philosophy have been penned precisely in opposition the notion that objective truth is possible nevermind that there is a systematic way to attain it.

  • @pcinvictus
    @pcinvictus 7 років тому +1619

    "When you surround the enemy
    Always allow them an escape route.
    They must see that there is
    An alternative to death."
    -Sun Tzu
    When men see nothing but a death awaiting them they tend to go out fighting like banshees.

    • @baltic4u123
      @baltic4u123 5 років тому +32

      smart.

    • @JeromeIsTheMan
      @JeromeIsTheMan 5 років тому +107

      inb4 they get surrounded on all sides and are so tightly packed in that they cannot move their arms
      *cough* cannae *cough*

    • @svon1
      @svon1 5 років тому +70

      Sun Tzu´s art of war is designed to teach rich noble Palace kids the basics
      its not meant to be the ultimate weapon
      after all it says stuff like
      be courteous and never charge uphill
      look at the battle Munda recently uploaded on this channel
      Caeser outnumbered 8 Legions to 13 ,,,charges uphill and wins
      or just imagine you are on a hill and the enemy has catapults while you dont
      or they cut of your supply line and besiege and encircle the hill
      and the Marian Roman Legions had quite a lot of battles in which they fought to the bitter end despite having many opportunities to run away
      Sun Tzu´s Art of War i think puts Sun Tzu to shame since the guy was much more skilled than the Art of War
      sadly the Basics are all most people know and thats why the Art of War gets hyped so much, despite the fact that a cavemen could understand it

    • @th3omachos
      @th3omachos 5 років тому +16

      Hanibal at Cannae would disagree...

    • @thomasbrady3827
      @thomasbrady3827 5 років тому +2

      goff0103 but very few guys make it through the escape route and the guys who don’t will not fight as ferociously

  • @candiduscorvus
    @candiduscorvus 8 років тому +3422

    This particular part of history would make a pretty great movie.

    • @riftbandit223
      @riftbandit223 8 років тому +126

      Ryse son of Rome kinda tried that.

    • @Freyia935
      @Freyia935 8 років тому +26

      We have a regiment on MB that plays Roman mods we used to play a mod about the Roman and Britain wars. Now we just play other roman mods.

    • @Hasharin14
      @Hasharin14 8 років тому +72

      +Charlie Pemberton You mean, by bringing elephants all the way north of europe?

    • @jackdutfield6096
      @jackdutfield6096 8 років тому +3

      with war elephants

    • @riftbandit223
      @riftbandit223 8 років тому +54

      I mean with Boudica invading Rome, celtic warfare, marching North to York, that type of stuff, Ryse son of Rome is filled to the brim with historical inaccuracy, but its a great game for the sons of Rome (*_*) or Daughters I dunt judge.

  • @budicaesar1213
    @budicaesar1213 8 років тому +1044

    What happened in that island was a fucking scary af

    • @budicaesar1213
      @budicaesar1213 8 років тому +15

      *was scary af

    • @darnokthemage170
      @darnokthemage170 8 років тому +42

      Weeb

    • @dk.kapsukas2195
      @dk.kapsukas2195 8 років тому +81

      Not really, the most scary part is were they torture the folks in the city. Just think how scary it would have been, seeing everybody getting killed, then they grab you, and, you know... And I thought the battle of Visbey was brutal!

    • @darnokthemage170
      @darnokthemage170 8 років тому +4

      King Bullmantei *Visby

    • @dk.kapsukas2195
      @dk.kapsukas2195 8 років тому +3

      Konrad Eklund Thank you.

  • @n0denz
    @n0denz 7 років тому +1156

    For some reason I find the rumor about the ruins of a lost civilization appearing beneath the Thames to be the creepiest detail.
    From what I've learned about Roman Britain it sounds like a horror movie. I would love to see a movie made about Caesar's first expedition to Britain, thrown by storms and met by white cliffs with blue men staring at them, following them silently as they moved down the coast, stalking them in the night.
    It would have been like unknowingly crossing the river Styx into the underworld.

    • @quqbalam5089
      @quqbalam5089 5 років тому +72

      The Romans utterly hated the Celts, so it is no wonder they portrayed them as infernal monsters akin to the Gorgons or the Furies.

    • @jamestown8398
      @jamestown8398 5 років тому +82

      @@quqbalam5089 That's not true at all. There are countless examples of Romans giving citizenship to Celts (both in Gaul and Britannia) who ally with and aid them. In fact this blending of cultures lead to a group known as the Gallo-Romans, who would be a prominent Celtic culture in Europe all the way until the Franks conquered and absorbed them.

    • @GarlicOasis
      @GarlicOasis 4 роки тому +19

      @@jamestown8398 I know the Franks gave France its name, but I would say it was the Franks themselves who were absorbed into the wider Gallo-Roman culture. After all, French is a Gallo-Roman language.

    • @GarlicOasis
      @GarlicOasis 4 роки тому +4

      @@jamestown8398 I know the Franks gave France its name, but I would say it was the Franks themselves who were absorbed into the Gallo-Roman population. After all, French is a Gallo-Roman language.

    • @TS111WASD
      @TS111WASD 4 роки тому +12

      Jamestown Oh yes of course they give them “citizenship” after they had massacred anyone who opposed them and had totally annexed their land lol

  • @KilnFirelink
    @KilnFirelink 8 років тому +1282

    Disturbing lack of red in the thumbnail.

    • @leronbenari226
      @leronbenari226 8 років тому +178

      Rome sweats nervously

    • @Atriedis
      @Atriedis 8 років тому +70

      it's so weird how the color scheme made me expect a different outcome. I liked it though. not knowing the history it kept me engaged throughout the video

    • @awesomeness2595
      @awesomeness2595 8 років тому +10

      Better dead than red.

    • @fattshea6312
      @fattshea6312 8 років тому +5

      When you have 1 million subs, rember me

    • @KilnFirelink
      @KilnFirelink 8 років тому +7

      awesomeness2595
      Boudicca felt the same way and look how that worked out.

  • @MrDUneven
    @MrDUneven 8 років тому +2343

    "Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they
    will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing
    they may not achieve."
    - Sun Tzu

    • @steveharvold
      @steveharvold 8 років тому +443

      Note that Sun Tzu certainly didn't think it was a good idea to just throw your men into a hopeless situation willy-nilly.

    • @lagucegothsong5559
      @lagucegothsong5559 8 років тому +46

      Statistical Insanity You knew him?

    • @steveharvold
      @steveharvold 8 років тому +288

      Laguce Gothsong No, but I've read his book.

    • @vmc5351
      @vmc5351 6 років тому +2

      Death ground tactic. Sun tzu

    • @justafaniv1097
      @justafaniv1097 6 років тому +21

      Just be sure not to do so by accident, as Boudicca's army can attest.

  • @cheez1428
    @cheez1428 7 років тому +4042

    Let's take a moment to understand the shit Paulinus went through. He witnessed a horror movie in the making. A mass sacrifice. Then he went and faced around 100,000 people with only 15,000 himself.

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 7 років тому +575

      And won the Battle Gloriously.And If my Question in the Comments was Correctly Answered he lead an Revenge Slaughter against the Tribes that Supported the Uprising which costed him his Job because he was too Violent.....sad ending.....

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 6 років тому +206

      +CrooK Doesn't really matter what the numbers were. It was still a superior force.

    • @desmondd1984
      @desmondd1984 6 років тому +321

      Superior in numbers maybe, but that doesn't make it a superior force. Sounds like Boudicca's rebellion included women and children and a high degree of religious fervor, but not many professional soldiers. The Romans cut through them like butter when it came to a standup fight.

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 6 років тому +153

      +AngryBeaver1984 We don't know for certain, but it's likely they were cut down because of Boudicca's terrible tactics and mistakes. Numbers aren't exact with almost any historical writing, especially Roman, but they're a general indicator for the size of the force. Non-professional soldiers would bog down the superiority of Boudicca's army, but it wouldn't be the deciding factor of the battle.

    • @cortex383
      @cortex383 6 років тому +98

      AngryBeaver1985 I agree. It sounds more like the Iceni people just uprooted and went at the Romans like wild animals. It is likely that less than a quarter of the Iceni force were fighting age males, and there is no way of knowing how many of them were trained warriors.

  • @knowone9490
    @knowone9490 8 років тому +946

    4k quality, what a legend

  • @FlyinBlaney
    @FlyinBlaney 4 роки тому +234

    Agricola: Paulinus, we only have 15,000 men! They have thousands more!
    Paulinus: then it’s a fair fight.

    • @FlyinBlaney
      @FlyinBlaney 4 роки тому +2

      perhaps

    • @EmperorArghoslent
      @EmperorArghoslent 2 роки тому +3

      Still not a fair fight......Tell Boudica to go gather another 250,000 men and then it'll be a fair fight.

    • @abdulrahmanalzaidi
      @abdulrahmanalzaidi 2 роки тому +2

      I know you say it as a joke, but from the video, the narrator clearly states that Paulinus didn't think he would live to see the next day. Which is probably why he and the Romans fought so well.

  • @mr_mcnuggets_6219
    @mr_mcnuggets_6219 8 років тому +864

    Also,Boudicca receives faith whenever a Pictish warrior kills an enemy unit

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 4 роки тому +53

      so she never receives faith?

    • @mr_mcnuggets_6219
      @mr_mcnuggets_6219 4 роки тому

      @Machine Algorithm Alpha I don’t think so

    • @mr_mcnuggets_6219
      @mr_mcnuggets_6219 4 роки тому

      @Machine Algorithm Alpha hard to get religion early game at high difficulty, plus later you can build wide and with beliefs like tithe/church property make a ton of gold

    • @joeyrivenbark5056
      @joeyrivenbark5056 4 роки тому

      NERD

    • @joeyrivenbark5056
      @joeyrivenbark5056 4 роки тому

      @@mr_mcnuggets_6219 Sorry dude, I actually know a lot about the game and ur wrong

  • @BrownFoxWarrior
    @BrownFoxWarrior 8 років тому +1976

    It's amazing how many times Rome managed to bounce back on the brink of defeat.

    • @NoVisionGuy
      @NoVisionGuy 6 років тому +184

      The only ones who beat them was their own politics and bad decisions. Byzantine had a good empire but fell on civil war.

    • @danwar2489
      @danwar2489 6 років тому +60

      @@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 I disagree on the latter point: it was ultimately necessary to refill the extremely thin ranks of the Legions, and the foederati could have been integrated had the Empire not attempted to exploit them, or, better yet, tried not to pay them with land.

    • @reinatr4848
      @reinatr4848 5 років тому

      @@danwar2489 yes, but they could've recruited Roman troops.

    • @danwar2489
      @danwar2489 5 років тому +68

      @@reinatr4848 No, they couldn't. In the Late Roman Empire, virtually no one wanted to be a legionary anymore due to lower pay, poor conditions, and a general lack of people truly thinking that the Empire needed their help to survive - If Roma Invicta, why bother trying to keep it alive when it'll survive anyhow? The Empire DID try to recruit more Romans but depopulation and a strong motivation NOT to serve meant that even their conscription measures failed - so much so that people would cut off their thumbs to keep from serving.

    • @reinatr4848
      @reinatr4848 5 років тому +2

      @@danwar2489 okay, okay...

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine 8 років тому +778

    Reminds me of on of the chapter's of The Art of War, Sun Tsu talked of how cornering an army and making them realise that the only way to survive is the fight makes men fight like tigers. The lack of quarter granted to the Romans and promise of atrocious fate didn't weaken them... it strengthened them to fight better than they could have ever otherwise fought.

    • @moonknightish
      @moonknightish 8 років тому +41

      Sun Tzu never withnessed Cannae, though.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 8 років тому +39

      Alfredo di Nuzzo Maybe the principle holds true regardless of where the lesson is learned?

    • @ultrasonic22
      @ultrasonic22 8 років тому +78

      It didn't work in Cannae because the roman soldiers were too tightly packed to be able to use their swords efficently, there has to be a minimum distance between soldiers in order for them to be able to us them.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 8 років тому +17

      ultrasonic22 Yeah, I don't know if Cannae is relevant to the concept of fighting better because you realise it's the only way to survive.
      I think when you have an encirclement like that it's too chaotic, it becomes a crush as you get a positive feedback loop feeding back to worse and worse collapse. As they are pushed back, they have nowhere to fall back into they crush each other and as the front line is annihilated those further back try to get away only run into others trying to go the other way.

    • @Zeus67
      @Zeus67 8 років тому +27

      More recent example: The battle of the Bulge. The Malmedy massacre hardened the already beaten American soldier to give battle to the last man since it seemed that surrendering was not an option anymore.

  • @neutronalchemist3241
    @neutronalchemist3241 6 років тому +316

    "He sent out messengers to every little town along the way, calling up every retired soldier still able to hold a sword and shield" and form that came the motto "There is no such thing as an ex-legionary."

    • @gmat5046
      @gmat5046 3 роки тому +37

      Yeah, they don't just forget how to soldier just because they called it a day. Veeeery grumpy old men in very heavy armor. Good God, run.

    • @someoneelse878
      @someoneelse878 3 роки тому +60

      @@gmat5046 'Beware the old man in a profession where men die young.'

    • @gmat5046
      @gmat5046 3 роки тому +14

      @@someoneelse878 Amen. Young soldiers look badass. Old soldiers look TERRIFING. Known as the Plumley effect. Edit last sentence.

    • @devvv4616
      @devvv4616 3 роки тому +5

      @@gmat5046 soldiers that survived 25 yrs of fighting. those probably were freakin elites lol

    • @gmat5046
      @gmat5046 3 роки тому +1

      @@devvv4616 I agree, hence, RUN.

  • @Horatiusxa
    @Horatiusxa 8 років тому +184

    When you forget to deal with rebels in Rome total war

    • @LOVEPHOENIXDANCER
      @LOVEPHOENIXDANCER 5 років тому +1

      that is why i hit the exterminate option in both it makes you less liked by other factions but it keeps the population in place the worse i ever got was 3-4 slave revolts and a civ war while at war with 10 factions at the same time not going to make that mistake again

  • @beanbag8449
    @beanbag8449 6 років тому +172

    Classic British, queuing in the middle of a battle

  • @DoomOffial
    @DoomOffial 7 років тому +447

    It's pretty ironic that boudica put up the carts to stop the romans from escaping so she could slaughter them, but in the end, it was HER army that the carts prevented from escaping, and SHE was slaughtered

    • @helpme2401
      @helpme2401 5 років тому +14

      She wasn't

    • @petro9227
      @petro9227 5 років тому +33

      I think the carts were there so no roman reinforcements would arrive from behind.

    • @godmode8687
      @godmode8687 5 років тому +80

      I mean how could the romans possibly escape in that direction? Through 100k enemys?
      I think it was to make sure no roman cavalry would charge from behind. If you have a peasant army a cavalry charge to the rear is desastreus. She propably didnt consider for a second that she could losse in the centre.

    • @TheGreenTaco999
      @TheGreenTaco999 3 роки тому +13

      Let me get this straight, I'm not trapped here with you, you're trapped here with me

    • @Kanner111
      @Kanner111 3 роки тому +6

      The most cynical possibility is that the carts were expressly there to stop the Iceni from booking it, given the reputation of the Roman legions in battle. The most obvious way you could lose this battle is if some morale event occurs and your overwhelming numbers choose not to fight.
      I'm no expert on horde management, but the first rule of a large, poorly equipped army in an uprising is that not everyone is passionately happy to be there. Lining up some carts as a makeshift barricade is a neat way of discouraging the 'We'll just quietly slip away after the battle has started' contingent of your forces.

  • @KramYEET
    @KramYEET 8 років тому +801

    I live in Colchester, modern day Camulodonum, it's an odd thing knowing your home town was savagely sacked over 2000 years ago

    • @Cooliofamily
      @Cooliofamily 6 років тому +48

      Kram I wish My home town was savagely sacked over 2000 years ago):

    •  6 років тому +103

      I mean, if your town is 2,000+yrs old, there's a very good chance.

    • @axelandersson6314
      @axelandersson6314 6 років тому +7

      Kram A justified sacking though.

    • @GeorgiawithaG
      @GeorgiawithaG 6 років тому +12

      Imagine if it hadn't been. We could have had a Roman temple in place of the castle.

    • @davidking6242
      @davidking6242 6 років тому +40

      @@GeorgiawithaG I reckon that the temple would have been destroyed anyway by other invaders like Anglo Saxons or early christian fanatics

  • @MrCaptainPatters
    @MrCaptainPatters 8 років тому +259

    You've become my favourite channel. Your work is stunning and i sincerely hope you keep it up.

  • @gokce9521
    @gokce9521 8 років тому +665

    the durids were hard core as fuck

    • @Accelerate55
      @Accelerate55 8 років тому +30

      nah brah, no shapeshifting

    • @blazemacarthur3555
      @blazemacarthur3555 8 років тому +54

      Druids - antiquity's champion pranksters

    • @jackj9816
      @jackj9816 8 років тому +6

      They relied on fear and as we see when they came to real combat the Romans fucked them up

    • @cameronsmith1339
      @cameronsmith1339 8 років тому +19

      Druids lighting themselves on fire going "Just a prank, bro".

    • @digbick9769
      @digbick9769 8 років тому +3

      Dafuq dude? According to the video there was no proper battle. It was a sacrifice.

  • @Shredow2
    @Shredow2 4 роки тому +183

    That druid ritual is the most metal thing I've ever heard.

    • @gmat5046
      @gmat5046 3 роки тому +3

      Could you hear the solo in the background as the last torch bearer lit the pure? Anyone? Or was it just me?

    • @sal6695
      @sal6695 2 роки тому +4

      I got chills fr it's like something you straight up wouldn't think could even happen IRL

  • @bobsaggat
    @bobsaggat 8 років тому +313

    That human sacrifice battle, my god that looks like something out of Dungeons and Dragons

    • @ThisChannelFTW
      @ThisChannelFTW 6 років тому +9

      Much like modern atrocity propaganda from World War II...

    • @junjungatbos3548
      @junjungatbos3548 5 років тому +2

      Them Druids were gangsta🙏🏻😎

    • @GarlicOasis
      @GarlicOasis 4 роки тому +1

      @gillecroisd 92 Go take your evangelical nonsense somewhere else please.

    • @GarlicOasis
      @GarlicOasis 4 роки тому +2

      @gillecroisd 92 Go take your evangelical nonsense somewhere else please.

  • @jasonaustin4122
    @jasonaustin4122 8 років тому +227

    I just loved the part where paulinus just turned around and said, "fuck it, we'll fight and die with honor" and then won. Such a fucking bet

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 7 років тому +3

      Well it was Either Fight and die an Heroic Death to Defend the Civilians or slowly starve with your Army to Death so it is Obvious what everyone would choose.

    • @bluegum6438
      @bluegum6438 Рік тому +7

      The brutality the Iceni showed in the first few conflicts meant the Romans were in full "fuck it we ball" mode, because it was either fight until you die, or have your danglies hacked off and shoved up your nose by an unwashed German. The nerve displayed by Paulinus and the simple brilliance of the wedge strategy is honestly very impressive. I'm not surprised Boudicca deleted herself after that.

    • @TheGreenTaco999
      @TheGreenTaco999 Рік тому +1

      ​@@bluegum6438 "unwashed German" they weren't German, though I understand why you'd think they are considering their barbarism.

    • @bluegum6438
      @bluegum6438 Рік тому +2

      @@TheGreenTaco999 y'know after I wrote this comment I realised they were not German and then also realised I have no idea what the ethonym for the native people of Eastern Britain in 50AD was so I left it

    • @doteleven5890
      @doteleven5890 Рік тому +1

      @@bluegum6438Briton or Iceni

  • @Lemonnater
    @Lemonnater 8 років тому +988

    So is it likely that the Druids weren't 'dressed in black' but rather they wore clothes soaked in pitch/tar?

    • @Nova_Ash
      @Nova_Ash 7 років тому +126

      Lemonnater correct

    • @gibby5708
      @gibby5708 6 років тому +110

      Lemonnater they were still dressed in black

    • @brianmerion
      @brianmerion 6 років тому +96

      possibly white clothes
      though it is pedantic to say so, because the clothes were effectively dyed black if they were soaked in pitch

    • @OneofInfinity.
      @OneofInfinity. 5 років тому +36

      Sending flaming druids seems like a legit tactic against elephants 😆

    • @__WJK__
      @__WJK__ 5 років тому +18

      @@OneofInfinity. - Probably better to stick with/use the flaming pig tactic against the elephants and simply arm the druids.

  • @huldrrrr9486
    @huldrrrr9486 5 років тому +36

    The part with the druids, human sacrifice and mysterious events that followed is some of the spookiest, most eerie moments in history. Imagine the horror the romans would have felt

  • @colorboxbooks2432
    @colorboxbooks2432 8 років тому +73

    I actually felt my stomach churn when I saw how big Boudicca's army was compared to Paulinus and then...wow! :D I love these tiny shapes to death!

  • @Laotzu.Goldbug
    @Laotzu.Goldbug 3 роки тому +632

    Honestly this was pretty enlightening. As a kid growing up I always heard of Boudicca as this fierce 'warrior queen" and the uprising of the Britons as this tremendously heroic event.
    Unless, I am missing something, it looks in reality it was basically a giant mob that went around torturing and murdering people (including many fellow Britons) And sacking undefended cities, and pretty much getting wiped out by the first real Roman army they came across, even though it was only a fraction of their size.
    Being a real-time visual representation of things with narration really helps to paint a picture in a way that the text books from school just couldn't quite capture.

    • @Blake4014
      @Blake4014 3 роки тому +61

      pretty much yeh. I've learnt that this boudicca woman was just an idiot basically running on blind rage emotions. I understand her motives, but the stupidity of her tribe to pick her to lead the army.... well... lets just say, I'm glad the romans won.

    • @buttlord2223
      @buttlord2223 3 роки тому +17

      @@Blake4014 Take this with a grain of salt, but Boudicca used magic to convince the tribe leaders that she should lead.

    • @powertogame5558
      @powertogame5558 3 роки тому +77

      This is 8 months old, I know, but I just want to say that all of the reports of Boudicca torturing and murdering people comes from Cassius Dio, a Roman senator who would have good cause to demonize her and her people.

    • @Galeforce017
      @Galeforce017 3 роки тому +45

      @@powertogame5558 It is VERY funny to me you misspelled "demonize" as "demonetize"

    • @powertogame5558
      @powertogame5558 3 роки тому +51

      @@Galeforce017 Did I?
      *checks*
      Ah fuck I did

  • @joeyvk6145
    @joeyvk6145 7 років тому +180

    why wasn't this in Ryse Son of Rome. All we got was Boudicca rampaging through Rome on elephants.

    • @Stratacaster87
      @Stratacaster87 6 років тому +5

      That didn't happen?

    • @TheRomanTribune
      @TheRomanTribune 6 років тому +40

      Cause ryse was never meant to be historically accurate. It's purely entertainment

  • @dot7601
    @dot7601 8 років тому +514

    do we know why the primus pilus of the other legion denied the reinforcements to Paulinus?

    • @arthour051
      @arthour051 8 років тому +319

      He probably felt that he could hold the fortress with his 5k better than 10 or 15k could fight the iceni and allies in open ground

    • @verward
      @verward 8 років тому +274

      Because he felt like facing the iceni in open field was a lost cause. They are estimated to have had 100k soldiers.

    • @arthour051
      @arthour051 8 років тому +63

      Ward Huyskes
      ....Yeah, I would have felt that was a lost cause if all I had had was 10K of actual soldiers and another 5K of retierees if I'd been facing half that number

    • @verward
      @verward 8 років тому +2

      Arthour yeah true.

    • @TheGuyWhoIsNeverMad
      @TheGuyWhoIsNeverMad 8 років тому +264

      Don't forget, those 'retirees' were veteran legionnaires. 25 years of service. He basicially just got loads of evocati cohorts. No wonder the Romans were like machines

  • @ThePivoteer101
    @ThePivoteer101 8 років тому +405

    That's 300 Spartans shit right there...

    • @fraser4982
      @fraser4982 6 років тому +25

      mrkti while the 300 spartans were accompanied by thousands of other greeks at Thermopylae they still did the most work there at Thermopylae was still an amazing feat bearing in mind that the persians prob had at least like 200k men

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 6 років тому +14

      Hollywood should do a movie about this battle, with same jokes and same gore as the Spartans did in 300

    • @jaeger9654
      @jaeger9654 5 років тому +3

      @@fraser4982 thermopoly is small pasage 200 or 50 milion mean nothing if u can only move few throgh termopholy

    • @fraser4982
      @fraser4982 5 років тому +4

      Hendra Gunawan so it was still an amazing feat by the Spartans using tactical ingenuity which is all I said

    • @benshapiromemesarefunny8725
      @benshapiromemesarefunny8725 5 років тому +1

      reaperz it wasn’t ingenuity at all, literally any somewhat competent general would’ve done the exact same thing.

  • @nickcara97
    @nickcara97 4 роки тому +26

    8:06 “The healthy human mind doesn’t wake up in the morning thinking this is it’s last day on earth. But I think that’s a luxury, not a curse. To know you’re close to the end is a kind of freedom...”

    • @Pangloss6413
      @Pangloss6413 4 місяці тому +1

      Call of duty modern warfare 2, truly one of the philosophical pieces of our time

  • @MrFerrell55
    @MrFerrell55 3 роки тому +21

    Interesting fact about Paulinus: He once led an expedition through Morocco into Sub-Saharan Africa before his post in Britain. What a well traveled guy!

  • @johnvajra5855
    @johnvajra5855 8 років тому +337

    Dear god the lack of strategy

    • @andrewpestotnik5495
      @andrewpestotnik5495 4 роки тому +43

      @Alvi Syahri Exactly, and the Romans were professional soldiers. Granted, the numbers could've overwhelmed the Romans even if it wasn't 100k vs 10k. We know the Romans had 10K, I'm willing to bet the Iseni had somewhere around 60-80k though. If Boudicca had any tactical knowledge, this would've been the British version of the Tuterbourgh Forrest

    • @andrewpestotnik5495
      @andrewpestotnik5495 4 роки тому +9

      @Alvi Syahri Oh no, I'm not saying that it WOULD'VE happened. I just figure that if there had been a more competent person in charge, they could've driven the Romans into a much worse position and attacked them from all sides instead of a frontal assault.

    • @comicsans1689
      @comicsans1689 4 роки тому +23

      Certified woman moment.

    • @TheTollFace
      @TheTollFace 4 роки тому +15

      @Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicolvocanoconiosis can you name 100?

    • @Mitaka.Kotsuka
      @Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 роки тому +8

      @Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicolvocanoconiosis Really? because the examples they bring over and over again (Joan and Boudica) dosent seem very competent to me...

  • @juanpablomina1346
    @juanpablomina1346 8 років тому +23

    All right, this is getting to the point where I'm gonna like your videos before I watch them. I don't do that very often.

  • @vrch5
    @vrch5 7 років тому +5

    I had just passed a test on ancient Greece and ancient Rome and now I discovered this channel. Awesome work.

  • @WarTard13
    @WarTard13 8 років тому +4

    I watched this in 2160p60 and I must admit, the definition on the square things attacking the rectangular blocks was amazing!
    Seriously though, that was informative as usual.

  • @yunleung2631
    @yunleung2631 4 роки тому +125

    If I was a soldier I would hail Paulinus imperator after that.

    • @UncleMerlin
      @UncleMerlin 3 роки тому +3

      It was one battle, not a campaign

    • @civilsecuritylite12054
      @civilsecuritylite12054 3 роки тому +31

      @@UncleMerlin
      So? A victory is a victory. Last time Caesar campaigned in Asia Minor and it lasted for a mere 5 days after that one single battle.
      HAIL PAULINUS
      IMPERATOR PAULINUS

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 3 роки тому +5

      3rd century crisis moment

    • @yunleung2631
      @yunleung2631 3 роки тому +9

      @@civilsecuritylite12054 He deserved a triumph. If not him then def Agricola.
      Imagine the cred of the legions that participated in this battle got...

    • @FlaviusBelisarius-ck6uv
      @FlaviusBelisarius-ck6uv Рік тому +5

      The legionaries would’ve had more sense than to do that, they’d have sealed his fate if they did.
      By this point, the last time the legions had hailed someone from outside the imperial household as Imperator was Marcus Crassus, the grandson of the original Triumvir Marcus Licinius Crassus (you know, the rich dude who drank hot gold in Persia) who had been serving as legate during a campaign in Pannonia over half a century ago.
      When Augustus had heard about this, he’d feared a threat to his power from a relation of one of the old triumvirs and had the man stripped of his spoils, relieved of his command, removed from politics and effectively exiled him from Rome to the island of Capri, where he would remain in obscurity for the rest of his days (sidenote: Crassus wound up building a villa that Emperor Tiberius himself would later utilize after he left Rome)
      All that under Augustus. Imagine what’d have happened to Paulinus if he’d been hailed Imperator with NERO as Emperor??

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu 5 років тому +23

    There is a perfectly good explanation that could allow the Romans to only have 800 casualties in the Battle of Watling Street but Paulinus needing to ask for three legions from the Rhine (and only getting 6K in an emergency transfer). 2/3 of his army were retired soldiers he coddled together to face the Iceni. Now that the emergency is over, they are going back to their farms. Unless you pay them something like 30X the normal pay, they aren't sticking around.

    • @MelkisgoedvoorJan
      @MelkisgoedvoorJan Рік тому

      Plus the fact that the romanscame super close to being compleetly wiped out in Britain

  • @TheSecondVersion
    @TheSecondVersion 8 років тому +100

    Despite tactical blunders and strategic failures due to arrogance/ignorance,
    Rome doesn't f*ck around when things get serious.

    • @gerardjagroo
      @gerardjagroo 7 років тому +25

      Vito C I agree, we see it happen time and again in Rome's history.
      This is something her enemies never seem to comprehend, from Pyrrhus to Hannibal to Sparticus to Boadicca.
      Winning battles against Rome is no big deal.
      The Romans had their asses handed to them time and again. But when it really matters, Rome digs deep into her inner reserves of strength, the egotistical 'boys' who got their armies slaughtered are pushed out of the way, the bullshit that caused their defeats gets cleaned up and Rome makes whatever sacrifices, whatever changes/reforms it takes to win! It was Rome's inner strength that built the Empire, and only when she became corrupted from within that the Empire started to fall.
      Alaric, Atilla and all of their kin could not hope to succed if Rome had not become corrupted.
      Rome destroyed Rome, the endless civil wars, bad management, stupid or mad emperors, economic stagnation and lead poisoning.

    • @mrblack888
      @mrblack888 5 років тому +11

      Rome's power came from having a system of military logistics and replacements. A tribe would commit everything it had to a battle for survival and if they lost, they lost most of their fighting men in one battle. If they defeated a Roman Legion the only thing they would see is another legion marching over the horizon towards them. And they would keep coming until that tribe was exterminated.

    • @Proph3t3N
      @Proph3t3N 2 роки тому +1

      @@mrblack888 I couldn't even imagine the horror of Germans after Teutoburg forest slaughter, when Romans came back with even bigger number razing everything to the ground. Now you got more of them and way more prepared and set on making you pay for what has happened.

  • @toddharig8142
    @toddharig8142 8 років тому +4

    Damn, this episode literally gave me goosebumps. Well done Civilis!

  • @TheDomJackman
    @TheDomJackman 8 років тому +351

    It's interesting that. being from the area the Iceni were from, I was always taught that Boudicca was brave and strong, fighting the tyranny of the Romans and that she heroically killed herself rather than be captured. The Romans were definitely always the bad guys... Looks like the Iceni weren't so valiant!

    • @igliffromanini2448
      @igliffromanini2448 8 років тому +30

      Dom Jackman hitsory changes from country to country and from man to man my friend

    • @francescomazzei4111
      @francescomazzei4111 8 років тому +169

      It's a very hard lesson that everyone should learn, sooner or later. This is history, and there aren't good guys and bad guys... only winner and loser

    • @BrorealeK
      @BrorealeK 7 років тому +102

      I mean, it's whatever. Almost two thousand years after Boudicca's Revolt, and the only sources come from the Romans themselves. You're never going to get an accurate, balanced version of that revolt. It's all fantasy, so believe what you want to believe. If Boudicca is a symbol of bravery to you, she is. If she's a bloodthirsty monster... well, that'd be weird, considering who she's fighting against. But I certainly don't blame people not thinking of her as the good guy.

    • @cr3160
      @cr3160 7 років тому +92

      Broreale
      > Impales women and mutilates and kills entire cities
      > Not a bloodthirsty monster.
      Idiocy at it finest.

    • @BrorealeK
      @BrorealeK 7 років тому +50

      Wow, taking the brave stance of believing an enemy of bloodthirsty monsters 2000 years ago is a bloodthirsty monster. Truly, you are making a stand when no one else would. What a call-out.

  • @spfinc1212
    @spfinc1212 8 років тому +3

    Great video! Loved that extra detail with the druids. Can't wait for the next, but very good work and I wish to extend a form of encouragement as this channel has formed a very good fan base, and you are one of the only like able Historians on youtube, as myself an amateur historian, I am very satisfied with your tone of voice and genuine interest in the subject. So please I hope you continue this excellent work and do not get down trodden by the inevitable complaints.

  • @nocturnalowl9658
    @nocturnalowl9658 7 років тому +19

    Historia Civilis you're the hero we need but don't deserve.

  • @DUDINCHI
    @DUDINCHI 8 років тому +57

    I also believe that the general that did not go and help, committed suicide because of shame

    • @jamestown8398
      @jamestown8398 6 років тому +32

      He did. In addition to being ashamed of his cowardice, he was also ashamed that he denied his men the opportunity to share in the triumph of that victory.

  • @archer1949
    @archer1949 8 років тому +924

    The problem wasn't that "Boudicca was a woman". The problem was that there was no one in the Iceni leadership that was familiar with Roman tactics. Throughout Roman history, the most successful native revolts have barbarian leaders who usually served in the Roman Army at some high level and knew how to use their tactics against them.

    • @cranaipk5400
      @cranaipk5400 8 років тому +181

      For example Armenius in Germania. You are definitely right sir.

    • @Commievn
      @Commievn 7 років тому +66

      I don't like feminism, but plz chill Heart of Fire.
      Anyways, i agree with you Lew Archer. The problem wasn't because Bodica was a woman, the real problem was that Bodicca didn't show Bob and Vagene~!
      lelelelel.

    • @asswizardofsiberia520
      @asswizardofsiberia520 7 років тому +101

      Heart of Fire
      So because of one single failed rebellion led by a woman (That almost forced Rome to withdraw from Britain), you think women can never lead a successful military action?
      Atleast that's what I assume, because you said fucking nothing with any evidence. OP said;
      'The problem isn't that a woman did it, it's that she didn't understand Roman tactics, and the Tribes weren't enough to take on such a disciplined army that had built up for decades'.
      How you responded;
      'It WAS because she was a woman'.
      Now you're probably very simple, so I'll break it down nice and easy. The reason you're a complete fucking idiot is because this;
      OP: Makes statement, makes point to prove statement.
      YOU: Makes statement.
      This is how not how you argue. You made a contradictory statement that was completely empty. Tell me why it was because she was a woman, not just that it was.
      You're a fucking idiot.

    • @martinmlakar5093
      @martinmlakar5093 7 років тому +21

      Cranaip k VARUS, QUINTILIUS VARUS GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS!

    • @shadowgearaudio293
      @shadowgearaudio293 7 років тому +32

      Ass Wizard Of Siberia
      It was a joke. Calm down.
      Also I don't think the Romans allowed women into their army. If having experience in the Roman military was so important then yeah giving command to a woman (who wouldn't be allowed to be anywhere near the fighting) was a big mistake.

  • @shotgunwound
    @shotgunwound 6 років тому +1

    Your videos are fantastic, I'm addicted. Thank you

  • @loszhor
    @loszhor 7 років тому +98

    1:50 This is so metal.

  • @Mephil
    @Mephil 4 роки тому +69

    No matter how many times I hear it, it baffles me how incredible the roman warriors were. Feels like their soldiers were tanks fighting children throwing rocks.

    • @vladvah77
      @vladvah77 3 роки тому

      General Surenas would have a word for you...

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 роки тому +14

      Discipline. It's how Rome conquered its Empire, and it's how Europe conquered the World. Discipline is always needed, and in short supply.

    • @unknownzzz5115
      @unknownzzz5115 3 роки тому +8

      @@shorewall and superior engineering

    • @incumbentvinyl9291
      @incumbentvinyl9291 2 роки тому +2

      Ironically that's exactly what it was.
      You can't compare a professional soldier that it equipped to the teeth to a child with a stick and a few pebbles.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 2 роки тому

      When you are a well-disciplined army on a continent of mostly tribes and nomadic people, you tend to have an advantage.

  • @robertaylor9218
    @robertaylor9218 7 років тому +161

    You can’t defend what the Britains did, but Rome had no right to be surprised.

    • @jamestown8398
      @jamestown8398 6 років тому +96

      The last British King to rebel against the Romans, Caratacus, was entirely different from Boudica. He used a guerrilla campaign, and he isn't known to have committed mass-murder. When he was captured alive he was taken to Rome in a Triumph, and before his scheduled execution he was allowed to address the Senate. He gave an impassioned speech about how he was just defending his home and would have been a friend to Rome had they not invaded: this impressed the Senate so much that they let him live.

    • @Pantherblack
      @Pantherblack 4 роки тому +46

      True, they kind of started it.
      You don't just occupy someone's land, pillage their homes, and rape and sell their people without some hostility in turn.

    • @bierwolf8360
      @bierwolf8360 2 роки тому

      @@Pantherblack lmao, why not though? Might makes right. If a people is too weak to enforce their claim to a piece of land, they don't deserve it

    • @bierwolf8360
      @bierwolf8360 Рік тому

      @o m ...He goes beyond that to say that is why they deserved it. Not that just that's the reason why, but why it's good. That makes it a subjective statement. It also suggests, which is most definetly untrue, that the reaction was measured compared to the original act. Unbelievable, of course.

    • @nonstopballer7378
      @nonstopballer7378 8 місяців тому

      @@bierwolf8360Wth do you mean “they don’t deserve it”???? that’s like me taking your flag and saying “you didn’t make it so don’t have pride about it”

  • @grim119reaper7
    @grim119reaper7 8 років тому +143

    Ok, now for the next video:
    His Year; Scipio (Africanus)
    Please.

  • @sierranevada806
    @sierranevada806 8 років тому +1

    Well done with the chanting sound during the sacrifice at Anglesey! It created a great eerie feel. Keep up the good work!

  • @ayebarberfuckmeup4689
    @ayebarberfuckmeup4689 4 роки тому

    I have a Test on Boudicca and was just searching for some videos to watch when yours popped up. Perfect, I can learn and be entertained at the same time!

  • @michaelpisciarino5348
    @michaelpisciarino5348 5 років тому +31

    0:45 Rape
    1:05 REVOLT AGAINST ROME
    1:24 Paulinus Campaign
    1:50 Druids, Flaming Sticks, Chanting, Shouting
    2:30 Rome Cuts them down.
    2:55 This was a massive Human Sacrifice!!!
    3:30 Dark Omens
    3:59 Boudicca Campaign
    4:30 OMG
    5:30 The Chase Is ON
    9:00 Wedge Charge!
    10:00 Battle Became Slaughter

  • @threedog8164
    @threedog8164 8 років тому +70

    This and Thermopylae prove the power of heavy infantry

    • @mrblack888
      @mrblack888 5 років тому +5

      Yes and no. The Persians were professional fighters perhaps but not professional soldiers. The western tradition of battle was shaping up as one of discipline and coordination, the eastern/barbarian way of battle was for every man to be a hero. That just doesn't work against disciplined ranks.

    • @mrblack888
      @mrblack888 5 років тому +2

      Men can stand in a line without it being a disciplined phalanx in the Greek style. You're going to have to do a lot better than that.

    • @devvv4616
      @devvv4616 3 роки тому +1

      @@mrblack888 such a biased take lol. you really expect an age old civilization like Persia didn't know how to fight as soldiers? What about the 'barbarian' horse nomads that just decimated everyone including Europe?

    • @mrblack888
      @mrblack888 3 роки тому

      @@devvv4616 Does your entire knowledge of warfare come from youtube "documentaries"?

  • @dingchavez8778
    @dingchavez8778 5 років тому +25

    What Paulinus did was genius and it started with his speech to his men he put them on dead mans ground he knew exactly what he was doing he maximised his men's potential .

    • @Pangloss6413
      @Pangloss6413 4 місяці тому

      You’re the sort of guy who reads “the 7 habits of successful people” and think you’re fit to be god emperor of mankind off of that

  • @kainan613
    @kainan613 8 років тому +1

    That was a truly fantastic video, great work! I was enthralled the entire way through, so horrible, yet so interesting.

  • @rocker4921
    @rocker4921 8 років тому

    Yet another great video, keep up the good work. The quality of your research and presentation is always really a joy to watch.

  • @alteredbeast7145
    @alteredbeast7145 4 роки тому +5

    A real lesson in formation discipline. Like the Spartans at Thermopylae. Discipline overcomes.

  • @derekburge5294
    @derekburge5294 8 років тому +28

    Another example of why it's a bad idea to corner a fleeing armor... Doubly so when it's a Roman heavy infantry army.

  • @PyroMachinima
    @PyroMachinima 8 років тому +54

    Damn Paulinus kicked some real ass

  • @Jasmic0137
    @Jasmic0137 8 років тому +2

    Very well done as always! These are very informative and fun to watch! Thanks and keep up the great work :)

  • @saihtame
    @saihtame 8 років тому

    And the quality yet again rose! This channel has come far!

  • @ValensBellator
    @ValensBellator 7 років тому +116

    I think one reason the Romans are so incredibly fascinating to read about and have been since I was a child is that they're history's ultimate "bad guys"... As terrible as they were and, if they existed today, as much as we'd all hate them and be horrified by their actions, they're just fun to read about.
    I can't really think of another group that I subconsciously so routinely cheer against but, at the same time, hope they'll recover when they're down (which is, to me, the ultimate antagonist or anti-hero). Thinking of the Samnites, Hamilcar, Hannibal, the Macedonians and Antiochus III, Boudica, Zenobia... I so routinely find myself hoping they'll succeed despite knowing that they won't, and yet I still love the Romans.
    A lot of it is probably due to the Roman historians and culture/mindset, which is to say that unlike many historical "victors", they really didn't care nearly as much about being the "good" guys as is evident in their genesis mythos, where Rome was founded on fratricide by a group of pirates and other undesirables that needed a new start and who literally had to kidnap wives just to get started. It's about the least glorious start to a grand empire one could imagine and yet the Romans, who invented and told the story themselves, only really cared about one thing: they won the battles and so imposed their will. This mindset seems to carry on throughout time as, while in the moment they'll often try to claim the moral high ground, within a generation the historians are usually rather blunt about the pragmatic and selfish reasons for their previous actions.
    All that matters, in the end, is that they were the victors on the battlefield, and so some truly capable and threatening opponents are preserved in their histories as it further glorifies their eventual victories (which also opens the door to embellishment, though I don't believe that was the case with Boudica or Hannibal), whereas in most other cultures that I read about the opponents are often described as hapless cowards or, sometimes, even erased from the historical record.
    The Romans didn't really seem to care if you perceived them as the "bad guys" and often even reveled in it, so long as you acknowledged their martial superiority. It makes for fascinating reading.

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 7 років тому +13

      Well you are right:They are like the Only Empire which Fells "Human" as in like they are Neutral.One knows their Great Archievements in History,as example their Streets and Citys and the Fact that they Practically made Society.Also the Franks (Todays French and Germans) would never have been nearly as Powerful as they were when there never was the Roman Conquest of Gaul.On the Other Side we always have the Lingering thought that the Romans Just did their Conquest to Further their own Power and that they Brutally defeated Uprisings against their sometimes Oppressiv Government....all in all they are like an really fleshed out Villain/Anti-Hero in an Novel or Series which we know has done some Evil deeds but we can't do something other than root for them. (BTW I am German so please excuse my bad English)

    • @lostsaxon7478
      @lostsaxon7478 6 років тому +30

      They may have been "bad" to everyone around them. But through their deeds and conquests, everyone in Europe and who came from Europe are connected on a level that is not seen anywhere else in the world. They may have forcefully converted everyone to Christianity through force, but we are also connected on a deep moral and ethical foundation because of it. Odd, but is what it is.

    • @MattWinkler1
      @MattWinkler1 5 років тому +8

      Lawful neutral at its finest

    • @StudM01
      @StudM01 4 роки тому +19

      I think a lot of the "cheering against Rome," not all or even necessarily yours, comes from class warfare reflex. Two equally bad societies: the bigger one gets dumped on. The "underdog" gets a free pass. At least that's what I've noticed from a lot of modern critics.
      Just my two cents.

    • @KraNisOG
      @KraNisOG 4 роки тому +9

      @phoenixkhost if those tribes has the technology of Rome they proved time, and time again that they'd use it for destruction. I think the sentiment that "Rome was Civilization." For its time period is 100% acceptable. (Of course some exceptions exist like the Parthians who were.... eh I guess I'd say.)

  • @Nemoticon
    @Nemoticon 8 років тому +3

    2:56 That's actually creepy as hell. It's one thing to be trained and experienced in fighting enemy soldiers, but to be subjected to THIS kind of fanatical insanity, basically a suicide charge... it completely changes the scenario. It's dark and primal and strike to the core of your soul (if you have one). A sign of things to come, proved by how following events unfolded.

  • @derekburm
    @derekburm 5 років тому +13

    "They didn't even plant crops"
    That's how you know they're serious...
    Also, no Romans noticed that awfully strange behavior?

  • @haumations1910
    @haumations1910 8 років тому +1

    You deserve way moar than 100k subs, I think you deserve millions of subs, ur vids are so good.

  • @grey1855
    @grey1855 8 років тому

    I would've never ever found out about this epic story if it weren't for your videos, love them and keep up the good work!

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 8 років тому +116

    10:53 "Including children and non-combatants" When woman are in the army, there *are* no non-combatants, since you can't tell the difference between the two.
    (Same with guerrillas in Vietnam.)

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 8 років тому +9

      Well there are People who are Unarmed,as example Maybe the ones who drove the Supply Wagons.
      But that is Just a Theorie.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 8 років тому +48

      cloudfanlp _Well there are People who are Unarmed_
      How long does it take to hide your rifle and change into some civvies?
      _Maybe the ones who drove the Supply Wagons._
      The people who drive army's supply wagons are legitimate targets.

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 8 років тому +8

      RonJohn63 Well I just Tried to Answer your Question and the fact that they were Legitimate Targets doesn't mean that they were not non-combatants

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 8 років тому +8

      cloudfanlp Ah, sorry. I interpreted your comment as unarmed people always being noncombatants.

    • @cloudfanlp4923
      @cloudfanlp4923 8 років тому +1

      RonJohn63 Well I don't Think Boudicca had Only Soldiers with her.....Maybe they had People who didn't fight and Rather Gathered Firewood or supplys or did some other Work.
      But you don't have to take me Seriously,I am Just Rambling about this Surprising Battle.

  • @leant6487
    @leant6487 7 років тому +430

    Why does history in school always leave out the bad parts of some 'good' people like ffs, they always make Boudicca seem good.

    • @BrorealeK
      @BrorealeK 7 років тому +25

      Why not? Everyone loves to read about Romans dying.

    • @harrisonclifton7455
      @harrisonclifton7455 6 років тому +157

      But she DID get what she deserved! Cold Roman steel destroying her armies

    • @bkr1895
      @bkr1895 6 років тому +88

      I mean she only did what the Romans did to her people gave them a taste of their own medicine.

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt 6 років тому +158

      Why is everyone implying Rome were the good guys? They were invading to rape, pillage, loot and burn out a people so they could build more towns and exploit more land and resources.
      I love Roman history but they were so good at winning because they were a savage bunch of murderers.

    • @jamestown8398
      @jamestown8398 6 років тому +179

      @@kvltizt The people Boudica killed weren't looters, rapists, or pillagers; they were civilians just trying to get by. Boudica's actions are excessively worse than the transgression she was retaliating for. Moreover, the Romans were never exterminators like Boudica. They enslaved enemy civilians, they never exterminated entire population centers.

  • @darklight6013
    @darklight6013 4 роки тому +7

    When you put quantity against quality... all that huge mass of warriors simply dissolved under the fury of the roman legionaries, just like snow under the sun.

  • @MrFrankyAnd
    @MrFrankyAnd 8 років тому

    Your videos truly are some of the highest quality on youtube right now

  • @CheifxChill
    @CheifxChill 8 років тому

    I love this channel. Never stop

  • @thefrosty1925
    @thefrosty1925 8 років тому +12

    OH HOW THE GOD'S HAVE BLESSED US THIS DAY! MAY A THOUSAND CHEERS BE HEARD THROUGHOUT MOTHER ROME FOR CIVILIS HAS RELEASED A NEW VIDEO! MAY GODDESS MINERVA HERSELF BLESS THIS DEAR MAN!

  • @ELETRIKDOG001
    @ELETRIKDOG001 8 років тому +32

    wooooooo Paulinus what a man

  • @spin6668
    @spin6668 4 роки тому +6

    Have you got a source on the druids setting themselves on fire? The closest thing I could find was a BBC article saying the Romans burnt them after they died on a make shift funeral pier.

  • @blakelester1776
    @blakelester1776 6 років тому +1

    My personal favorite of your videos and it doesn’t even have Caesar in it

  • @dkennell998
    @dkennell998 7 років тому

    Been listening to the history of Britain podcast, this is a great accompaniment.

  • @randomlyentertaining8287
    @randomlyentertaining8287 5 років тому +21

    10:45
    Kill 'em all and let Jupiter sort 'em out.
    EDIT: I like to imagine the Romans fighting like the Spartans in 300. "No Prisoners!" "AROO" "No Mercy!" "AROO"

  • @abthetheic4391
    @abthetheic4391 5 років тому +98

    'I don't distrust you because you're a woman. I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are'
    He was right! :)

    • @ignotumperignotius630
      @ignotumperignotius630 5 років тому +10

      @@junjungatbos3548 her love killed thousands.

    • @junjungatbos3548
      @junjungatbos3548 5 років тому

      @@ignotumperignotius630 maybe they saw it like "if we gonna die, lets all die together"

    • @warshipsatin8764
      @warshipsatin8764 5 років тому +2

      @@junjungatbos3548 then why did she let them all die while she ran away like a coward?

    • @junjungatbos3548
      @junjungatbos3548 5 років тому +1

      @@warshipsatin8764 what, you think she was fuckin wonder woman?

    • @Izzy777-_-
      @Izzy777-_- 5 років тому +9

      @@junjungatbos3548 Obviously not because she had almost no plan to defeat the Romans, no research on how they work and fight,no knowlege of the hundreds of tribes that did the same thing she did and failed. She was far from wonder woman. She was one of the most incompetent field commanders in history. If you want to make a revolt at least do an iota of planning to defeat your opponent.

  • @erlendjohanmyrhaug4537
    @erlendjohanmyrhaug4537 7 років тому +8

    This would make an interesting, historical movie.

    • @stevie5989
      @stevie5989 6 років тому

      check out the show "Britannia"

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 6 років тому

      At first glance this seems to be perfect Hollywood material. Think of it. An overwelming murdering and torturing horde. The last stand of the small detachment sent to defend Londinium. The veterans recalled in haste. The Roman commander offering protection for those that evacuated the city, but only a part of the inhabitants followed him (partly because they had all of their possession there and hoped the devil was not so black as it was painted, partly because they, or their elders, couldn't keep the pace. Families torn apart...). Then, a desperate last stand of the soldiers to cover the fleeing civilians.
      However we'll never see it because:
      1) The Roman commander wasn't some lower officer that had to take the lead after the death of his superior. He was the fucking Governor, so the one that should have prevented the troubles in first place.
      2) There had never been a moment, in the final battle, when the Romans were on the verge of annihilation. They won easily.
      3) The horde happened to be "British".
      4) The amateur tactician that led the torturing horde to it's final demise happened to be a woman, and to depict a woman as an incompetent leader in a movie would be seen as sexism.

    • @jamestown8398
      @jamestown8398 6 років тому +1

      @@neutronalchemist3241
      Those problems have solutions.
      1) You can make the story from the POV of Gnaeus Julius Agricola, a lower ranking Officer in Paulinus's army. Or create another such officer under Paulinus' command (in this case you can add drama by claiming his family died at Camulodunum).
      2) It could still be made a dramatic battle. Exhausted, half-starved soldiers (some of whom are aged veterans) fighting against a numerically superior force.
      3) As "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" show, British people can be made into villains quite easily.

    • @StudM01
      @StudM01 4 роки тому +3

      @@neutronalchemist3241 Hehe, admittedly, this would make it a difficult sell.
      Plus you wouldn't have a "good guy" per say.
      But you could make it work.
      As for the feminazis bitching and moaning that the woman is not portrayed as inherently superior in every way: f*ck their supremacist dogma. Idiots come in both shapes, and all colors. Let's make the movie and let them screech in pain while the rest of the world enjoys the accurate history and good storytelling.
      ; )

  • @jamesroberts7816
    @jamesroberts7816 2 роки тому

    Just finished all the Rome videos and they were amazing, best videos I could find about it! It'd be great if you could do the rest of Rome in Brittan.

  • @bradleyn9360
    @bradleyn9360 8 років тому

    I'm glad that your channel is growing so much Historia! This video was an eye opener to some of the brutality of people are capable of. Looking forward to the next video!

  • @Iron936
    @Iron936 7 років тому +8

    "In Death Ground, fight." ~ Sun Tzu

    • @Pangloss6413
      @Pangloss6413 4 місяці тому

      and I’d say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he INVENTED IT! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor! Then he used his fight money to buy 2 of every animal on earth! Then he herded them onto a boat and then he BEAT THE CRAP OUT EVERY SINGLE ONE! and from that day forward, every time a bunch of animals are together in one place it’s called a TZU! Unless it’s a farm!

  • @magnustherad3597
    @magnustherad3597 8 років тому +359

    i was on boudicca's side, then the maiming started and i was reminded that every civilization is fucked up.
    rome for life.

    • @FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog
      @FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog 8 років тому +49

      Did you forget that the Romans raped her people before she fucked theirs up?
      Eye for an eye... leaves Boudicca's army dead, I suppose.

    • @nahuatl3092
      @nahuatl3092 8 років тому +32

      +Firefox is red, Explorer is blue. Google+ sucks and Chrome does too. I think the impaling is was worse then raping

    • @occasional_doomer
      @occasional_doomer 8 років тому +18

      Except the majority , or at least large minority, of the population of the various settlements would have been British(members of other tribes like the Catuvellinani). So even if you somehow think killing roman civilians is justified, plenty of other british tribes were killed as well.

    • @moonknightish
      @moonknightish 8 років тому +19

      What that officer did was shit, but he was a coward idiot that acted without orders. He even left Britain after the revolt.

    • @ultrasonic22
      @ultrasonic22 8 років тому

      He was far too weak military-wise to stop a 30k revolt.

  • @firstcynic92
    @firstcynic92 8 років тому +7

    Sopranos style ending?
    "The Romans would occupy Britain for the next three hun..."

  • @BOLANAREDE321
    @BOLANAREDE321 6 років тому

    These are all so well done! I just discovered the channel, I'm sharing it with friends. Excellent work, sir.

  • @KarlMokross
    @KarlMokross 8 років тому

    Was hoping you would do a video on Boudicca. I didn't know it was such an amazing and tragic story. Very well told!

  • @zacharysain8516
    @zacharysain8516 6 років тому +2

    The zombie survival guide turns this event into a massive outbreak that the romans quell, it’s a really cool story

  • @TecumsehSherman36
    @TecumsehSherman36 5 років тому +6

    WHEN ROMAN LEGIONS PAIRED UP WITH COMPETENT LEADERS...THEY KICKED ASS LIKE NO ONE ELSE!!!!

  • @overratedprogrammer
    @overratedprogrammer 5 років тому +5

    Take a drink when you hear "writing on the wall" in a Historia Civilis video

    • @StudM01
      @StudM01 4 роки тому

      ... but then my liver will be toast! TOAST I say, Sir!

  • @comrade-rashka6599
    @comrade-rashka6599 6 років тому +1

    I love your art style, simple yet so engaging :)

  • @mikaelasgeirsson7430
    @mikaelasgeirsson7430 8 років тому

    Best and most informing episode yet!!

  • @adamweinberg2532
    @adamweinberg2532 7 років тому +355

    I went from rooting for the British to rooting for the Romans

    • @joaozin156
      @joaozin156 7 років тому +55

      you are rooting for a game that ended 2 thousand years ago!

    • @Xmvtjets96X
      @Xmvtjets96X 5 років тому +120

      @@quqbalam5089 It's utterly obvious you didn't watch his other videos on Rome

    • @TheKripox
      @TheKripox 5 років тому +178

      @@quqbalam5089 In all his videos he goes over what the Romans did wrong and frequently accuses them of lying to cover up their shit. For example, watch his video on the Roman Triumph and how he describes its propaganda, the cruelty to captives, the thinly veiled deification of generals and he even accuses them of human sacrifice despite Rome officially reviled human sacrifice and claimed to not partake in it. This very video opens with him going over how the Romans exploited the dead king's will to get an excuse to enter Iceni lands to rape, pillage and enlsave the population, and how they humiliated, raped and tortured Boudicca and her daughters too. Where is the apologetics here?
      If you believe that giving a proper description of Boudicca's own horrific treatment of civilians is somehow apologizing for the Romans, don't kid yourself. It happened and he is absolutely right to bring it up. The Roman treatment of the Iceni was evil, and the mass torture and slaughter Boudicca's army wrought was also evil.

    • @jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901
      @jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 5 років тому +18

      @JL-CptAtom you say while watching a video where atrocities are committed by everyone

    • @PowercraftSE
      @PowercraftSE 5 років тому +27

      @JL-CptAtom Ok Hitler calm down. The Bengalis died because of scorched earth, you might as well blame the Japanese, it's called war. Dresden is insignificant and really only taken seriously by holocaust deniers and Wehrmacht apologists, it was a significant strategical target and it was war. The potato famine, yeah pretty much the fault of the English but at least it wasn't deliberate, just their own incompetence and pig-headed economic policy.

  • @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns
    @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns 8 років тому +81

    Nice video but a few errors.
    First 80,000 Iceni were not killed, because the Iceni tribe according to the tribal museum in East Anglia only had 40,000 members, men, women, children, old people and babies, the allied Trinovantes only around 30,000 population. Contemporary estimates based on population of the tribes involved would make the British army 20-25,000 strong maximum. Which is consistent with other British armies of the period, such as those of Caractacus, Cassivellaunus and at Mons Grapius which were all around 20-25,000 strong according to Roman chroniclers while Venutius's considerably smaller. Also the tribes/confederations that made these armies were larger in population than Boudicca's. The fact these numbers are so consistent has been noted by military historian as demonstrating the maximum possible army size logistics for Britain at that time.
    A second error is saying that it was Romans killed by Boudicca. While the Romans in the three cities that were sacked were killed they were a small minority of the population, most of the inhabitants were British. Primarily members of the Catuvellinani tribe, the cities being on their territory, who were the hated foes of the Iceni and Trinovantes. The Catuvellinani tribe had been the most powerful tribe in southern England before the conquest and dominated the smaller tribes such as the Iceni. When the Romans came it was the Catuvellinani tribe that fought the conquest while the Iceni backed the Romans. During Boudicca's revolt she was taking the opportunity to settle some internal British politics. And her revolt killed many times the number of British than it did Romans. Hardly the great patriotic rising.............
    When you say largest conflict ever to occur on British soil if you mean battle, that would be Towton 1461. If you mean war, it would be the War of Three kingdoms which killed 12% of people in the country and had over a million participants. If by single army, that would either be Severus's invasion of Scotland or Claudius's invasion force.

    • @sammycw2000
      @sammycw2000 8 років тому +44

      I think he was saying largest battle to occur on British soil in the Roman period. Since that is entirely what this channel is about. And just because he said Romans were killed by Boudicca does not mean he's disregarding all the Britons who were slaughtered, he used it to emphasise the point that many of the Roman colonisers had just been wiped out. Can I have some sources on the army sizes, that sounds interesting.

    • @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns
      @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns 8 років тому +9

      As they were called Roman settlements in the video, Boudicca is described as attacking the Roman,s a Roman army is trying to protect them and all the talk was of Romans being killed, whether intentional of not it implies the people being killed and the civilians were Romans. It actually quite a major historical point the civilians were mostly Catuvelliani.
      Tacitus, Dio Cassius and Caesar's Gallics Wars give commentriess on the early British armies, figures for Mons Grapius come from Tacitus however the Romans tended to overestimate size so they may actuually have been smaller. Figures for the Catuvalliani that militry historians use tends to come from the estimate of 1/3 of tribe available as warriors in tribal societies. The archaeological excavations of Serverus camps in Scotland suggest his numbers, which can be read about here, archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archiveDS/archiveDownload?t=arch-352-1/dissemination/pdf/vol_107/107_092_102.pdf

    • @moonknightish
      @moonknightish 8 років тому +4

      But.. weren't they citizens of the Empire? This makes them Romans, despite what their ethnicity was

    • @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns
      @Fiddling_while_Rome_burns 8 років тому +11

      Alfredo di Nuzzo Nope, Roman citizenship wasn't extended to conquered people for another 200 years. Also had citizenship been extended back then instead of 200 years later, that would make Boudicca and the Iceni Roman too and it would have been a Roman civil war, Roman killing Roman.

    • @tengokuro
      @tengokuro 8 років тому +1

      Very good mate, thanks for the info ;) I'm gonna research about all this stuff you mentioned. I'm specially curious about this battle of Towton and this war of the Three kingdoms....

  • @cjb01005
    @cjb01005 8 років тому

    Excellent, excellent work, man. Well animated, clear narration, interesting historical selection, and your usage of moody music puts it over the top for me (where other channels just use some random classical music).

  • @stefanmorris652
    @stefanmorris652 8 років тому +1

    I just found out about this channel and man its awesome and this is one of the reasons I'd rather pay for internet and not cable lol.

  • @TheParachutePeople
    @TheParachutePeople 8 років тому +4

    Would you be able to cover more modern battles? like the Six day war or something

    • @unflexian
      @unflexian 5 років тому

      Nah, his channel now is less about single battles and more about the political landscape of a place.