With Julia dead, he had no familial ties to Caesar, and was free to plot and war against him. Not that it would turn out well for the guy, head on a silver platter and all.
It's almost outstanding how corrupt the Republic was during Caesar's time. It's no wonder that it fell apart, and that an opportunist like Caesar was able to manipulate such a broken and apathetic political scene.
Hey , I have a request : can you explore the time of Sulla , Marius and so on ? We so often hear of Caesar's time ( not just you , generally ) , but so little about the run up that formed him .
He probably should too considering a lot of his videos take place around the time of the fall of the republic, the actions of the Gracchi, Sulla and Marius are instrumental to setting this time period up?
Are ya ready kids!? Aye, aye, imperator! Ooooh... who's starving the people of Rome to death? Pompey, Pompey! Who wants to start a campaign in the East? Pompey, Pompey!
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+CodeKillerz Baz Battles is good at showing the battles (what a suprise), but he severely lacks in the politics of nations and war. In other words, baz is like hearts of iron 4, and historia civilis is like Victoria 2.
Clodius' wife was Fulvia, who would later marry Mark Antony and who definitely wasn't murdered by Antony. Clodius and Fulvia's daughter was Claudia, who became Antony's stepdaughter. During the Second Triumvirate's forming, she was offered by Antony to Octavian as his first wife.
A cool side note is that the Domitius mentioned here is actually Domitius Ahenobarus, the same Domitius Ahenobarbus who later gave Caesar so much trouble in the civil war
I'm a HUGE history buff, particularly Greco-Roman history, and the middle ages. Came across your channel by accident and have been binge watching ever since. I love the slight comedic touches you add while telling a very accurate tale of history. Please keep up the great work you do.
He may have liked power, but anyone who would tell Sulla to his face that he was past his prime probably wasn't too bothered about keeping it. He really was a modern-day alexander- everything he did, he did for his own legacy and glory. The power was a nice bonus.
Ideology comes with indoctrination. The ideology of these men was that, no matter what, the legacy of Rome, and with it the legacy of their families and their own, must live on no matter what. That was what they were raised to believe since young age as patricians. Everything else was circumstantial.
"I have the most unparalleled military career in the republic!!" (Caesar conquers Gaul the arch enemies of the romans since the beginning of time) "Shit!"
Pompey helped pacify Hispania, returned to Rome to defeat Spartacus, all but ended piracy in the Mediterranean and defeated Mithridates in the East, along with other military feats. What were you saying about Caesar again?
Not to mention his earlier victories in North Africa (which is when he earned the title of "the Great" in the first place), his annexation of Syria, and his turning of Judea into a client kingdom.
Oh all the people from this late era Roman republic, I feel Pompey has it the worst. Practically forgotten by history in the mainstream lexicon because his contemporary was Julius Caesar.
Pompey is one of the most recognized Romans in history, he hasn't been forgotten at all; it's just... Julius Caesar is likely the most or one of the most famous people of all time; quite literally on par with jesus.
SilverHints “on par with Jesus” not even close buddy when Caesar’s gets billions of people to follow him and worship him today then and only then would he be close to Jesus’s standards, his no where close I doubt the majority of the world knows who Caesar is
@@benjammin9471 If he even existed at all and wasn't just a fictional character created to serve as the protagonist in a book of fairy tales which stood as the centerpiece of one of mankind's many thousands of bullshit religions.
Yeah: When Caesar left to Gaul: Everything Gucci. In the meantime: The Conservative hard-liners under the pretext of "restoring order" once again assumed full political control, like under Sulla, and made Pompey their new champion and quasi-dictator. - Well, Caesar, congrats : You have become the new Rome's Most Wanted!
Dictator didn't mean the same thing to Romans as it does to us. It doesn't mean ruler, it's someone who is granted temporary emergency powers in times of crisis. They did not want Pompey to be emperor or something
@New_Account well, a lot of roman dictators actually did follow that rule. They gave up their positions when done with the crises. The famous ones are, well, famous for a reason, but they werent exactly the norm.
Originally the office of dictator didn’t have a negative connotation among Romans (think of an exemplar like Cincinnatus to understand how it was supposed to work), and clearly in an emergency situation like the one we see here in 52BC, many Romans still considered the dictatorship an option in combating a crisis, but the city’s collective memory must have winced, considering how great a change there had been since Cincinnatus’-plenty of Romans would remember that just 30 years prior to 52BC Sulla had taken on the dictatorship and subsequently enacted his infamous proscriptions.
I am heavily enjoying Caesar's playlist. Thank you so much for all this information. Your vocal delivery and graphic video format is engaging and helpful with following the historical plot.
As for when the Senate does things “illegally”, one must remember they essentially acted under the constitutional principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty. That means when there’s a contradiction of legislation, the newest piece of legislation supersedes the older one in so far as that contradiction applies to the preceding Act. So technically the will of the senate is the law so long as the law itself was passed legally under the laws that prescribe parliamentary procedure (ie. a law that was passed when a quorum wasn’t reached would be illegitimate)
@@codekillerz5392 look the Senete only passed senatus consultum meaning senetes advice tho IT was more of a decree But the Plebian Council passed Lex wich in latin means Law The Roman senete didnt even tried to claim they have the Power to pass laws they just proclaimed Pompey to be Consul without any legal Authority to do so
@@nickcara97 come on you really think that Pompey would have just given up power had he beaten Caesar? Only difference if he won is Rome splits up faster because without a clear successor with a strong cult of personality that Octavian turned into Augustus, you'd have a bunch of generals and Senators who have zero incentive to work together and would be quick to follow the example that Sertorious laid out. And who would stop them? Rome still exists but the Senate's authority would be ornamental at best but without a unified central command so a warring states period where everyone is still Roman but no one agrees on top leadership. This continues until smaller states are combined into 3 or 4 top competitors and then maybe a delayed imperial Rome but just as likely a permanently fractured series of successor states like after Alexander or 3rd century China.
10:57 What I kept wondering was: "with violence on the streets and corrupt elections", why did the Roman people not consider looking to Cicero to solve the problem instead of Pompey? Dealing with violence and bribery in the political process, maintaining stability, and even the need for a Senatus Consultum Ultimum...sounds a lot like Cicero's year as consul. Besides, just in the abstract, in the situation Rome was in, someone with a proven track record of promoting order and stability who also isn't closely aligned with either of the two factions inciting violence...sounds like the candidate I'd go for. And having previously served in 63 BCE, Cicero would have become eligible to run again in 54 BCE to hold office in 53, exactly the point where all this is happening. Instead, to solve the problems of violence on the streets and corrupt elections, the Romans turned to the person who had just conducted a corrupt, violent election.
Hmm, I guess that would explain it. I didn't pick that up from the video (Cicero is only mentioned once here), but obviously this video doesn't mention everything.
@@Wolfeson28 Cicero's independence was increasingly restricted by the Triumvirate ever since the Triumvirate got rid of his banishment. Cicero could not say anything negative about those three men or they might turn Clodius on him again. So that is why Pompey got to be dictator. In that sense, Clodius really made Cicero's life hell and reduced his political power even in defeat.
Hey. I love your videos and it has helped me immensely on a lot of personal projects of mine as well as understanding how the Roman armies operated and whatnot. I've recommended a lot of my mates to this channel, who happen to love it. Keep it up!
This channel with Mike Duncan's History of Rome really helped contextualize and gives true meaning to the life and society of rome, not just the upper echelon, but how the injustice of society was tolerated by those with means and left the rest (middle class and below) to rot. We all have this marble visage of rome, when really that is just the facade and the cracks underneath highlight why the society fell and could not move forward.
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My god, this channel is so good. Watching the videos in chronological order is such an educational experience. Way better than skimming wikipedia pages. I will be watching every new upload from now on :)
Man I love this channel. Pompey was a freaking mastermind, in a few years he managed to completely outmaneuver Caesar under his nose and form a stalwart against the reform faction.
I love these videos so much, a really great way of visualising Ancient Rome and its politics! Thanks for making this series and i can't wait for the next instalment!!
I really love you're videos, they're always so interesting. You make history come alive with little squares. I like how you describe a lot of the events and interactions using modern language and idioms. It makes ancient Romans seem relatable somehow. Milo hearing not guilty: "WTF"
He would have probably won and conquered Parthia, and just by this he would have become the next Alexander. At that point it would have been difficult even for Ceasar to defeat him.
@@stefanopiroddi2687 i think he actually did not overcome Caesar in military genius. When the 2 squared off, yes, Pompey first defeated Caesar, but then at Pharsallus he was completely annihilated. So yes, Pompey was a genius, but Caesar is still Caesar. Then again I dont believe Pompey could have beaten the Parthis, cause they were never beaten by the Romans, even in following centuries, their empire was just way too massive for Rome to control and subdue. Easy as that.
@@adalgisounoqualunque9033 I think too that Caesar was the better military genius, but Pompey was a master at the political game. Caesar basically seized his opportunity to rally the people and those loyal to him after Crassus went kaputt. But if Crassus had not decimated the legions in Syria, the political momentum would have still been on Pompey's side. All Pompey had to do was to play conservatives and plebes alike to portray Caesar as a power-crazed general (which, in fact, Caesar always was). By then, it would have been Caesar and his legions against the entire rest of the Roman Republic. Simply too much, even for the might and mastermind of Caesar. As for the Parthians: you are right that probably Parthia would have not been conquered. But Pompey wouldn't have made the same mistake Crassus did when he said nada to the Armenian help. Notwithstanding that Crassus was still an incompetent idiot. Pompey would have manuevered much more subtly and would have never met the Parthians in open field without Armenian cavalry archer support. I personally think Pompey would have succeed in at least bringing a significant victory for Rome, signing a treaty of peace with Parthia and would have went back to Rome to enjoy a THIRD triumph, something unheard of that would have made him the most celebrated Roman of all time. Another thing: while we do remember Pharsalus as a decisive victory for Caesar, if we look at the battle itself, Pompey did nothing wrong. He had the larger force, he had the hill protecting him. His mistake was to think that every soldier is equal, he underestimated veterans fighting for a cause larger than themselves. The veteran reserves of Caesar army had much better experience and were more attached to Caesar than Pompey's troops were to him. Those veterans overturned his cavalry and crushed Pompey's line, securing the battle for Caesar. But was something that, while it should have been taken into account, was minor compared to the tactics of the battle themselves. In the end, it was Pompey's rush to the battle (probably ill advised both by his old age and by the Senators with him) that undid him and his genius. If he had stayed on the hill, Caesar would have probably starved to death along with his troops. Caesar's mastermind was to gain the momentum and turn it around on Pompey's when all for Caesar seemed lost.
Well - Good thinking, firstly - The Roman civil war wouldn't have happened Pompey would be paraded as the next Alexander The street violence in Rome would end after he gains the right to march on Rome - He would be made consul by the Senate without an election, and end the violence The triumvirate would be remembered as the greatest alliance in history, and Crassus would die at the age of around 70, in around 45 BC, by which point Pompey would be in his early 60s and Caesar in his 50s. During this period - Pompey would get a triumph, this triumph would be as tremendous as the Gallic one, he would be remembered as the greatest conquerer in history. After defeating Vercingetorix, the triumvirate would let Caesar run for office in abstentia - His consulship would be alongside one of his allies in 48 BC. In 47 BC, the political situation in Rome would be like in 59 BC. Caesar would be remembered as a good general, Pompey, would be remembered as the greatest. The republic would just be normal, Caesar would end up conquering Egypt with ease because he was could handle more than 4000 men, the Roman republic would eventually collapse - but that wouldn't happen 'till around 50 AD
I came across your channel from a YT suggestion 2 weeks ago. I just finished all 44 uploads. Thanks. I want to hear the whole JC story already! Looking forward to it.
I seriously love your videos about ancient Roman politics, they´re are incredibly well put together and are both entertaining and educational! Your channel really does deserve to be more well-known. I mean who else than you could possibly make ancient Roman politics interesting, let alone entertaining!
This is why I love UA-cam, you get more info on what it's like back then from youtubers now then you do on history channels then again the history channel is just bikers pawn shop and shizz about aliens, but thanks for doing these videos and if anyone likes to learn more history there is historyden he goes way into depth in the wars he's currently doing the Punic wars if anyone is interested and has done the Greeks like the Persian war and others Oh and bazbattles who has done a lot on medieval history and Alexander the Great etc, just trying to share some history love since I always look for more history UA-cam channels to help my craving to learn more so hope this helps you all :)
I have no idea how you still only have 100k subscribers... Your videos are great, though i can barely even imagine how many 100 thousand people are. I'm glad you came back, these stories are just getting better and better, keep it up!
From the moment he started speaking about Clodius' shenanigans on this channel, I told to myself "This dude is either gonna be a monarch or be killed. I've never heard the name of such a would-be-consequential monarch as 'Clodius', therefore he must have been killed." Then I sighed of relief.
“With violence on the streets and corrupt elections people were believing the political situation was becoming more and more unstable.” Literally America 2020-2021
I wonder how history would have played out if Crassus had survived his war in Parthia. Would he have allied with Caesar against Pompey? Would his presence force Pompey to back down and maintain the triumvirate? We'll never know, but it's a good bit of speculation.
I feel a little bad for Milo. Many of his actions were reactive, he tried to limit Clodius through legal means like elections or the courts, and he risked his life by making himself Clodius' main enemy. And all of that just to get exiled because Pompeii wanted to increase his power.
It's a mention to how people today accuse Milo Y of inciting violence against Muslims. In the video the Milo in Rome was also accused of inciting violence. that was the joke.
Hey Historia Civilis! I'm really loving your channel. The intrigue w/ Caesar and the rest of the gang is pretty interesting and can't wait to hear how the rest plays out. More power and best of luck with your channel :)
Now I see where Star Wars got inspiration from :\ I can't believe how messed up Rome politics were. Rome is often held as the top civilization of the times, but I wonder if other countries fared better, even under dictatorships.
EternalAnomaly this was at the end of the republic, in its golden age there was little or no corruption at all in all the Res Publica, because of Mos Maiorum
@ultraboy222 CGP Grey did a video series on dictators (The Rules for Rulers) which explains quite well why dictators almost always have to be corrupt and put themself first.
*'With violence on the streets and corrupt elections, (people) were starting to feel that the political system was becoming more and more unstable'* - now where have I heard that before?...
That's definitely not how you pronounce Domitius.
Historia Civilis I love you...
Historia Civilis keep up the great work
Mini Mantis K
Allahu Ackbar?
Why the ?
"Pompey had gone mad with power"
Well, of course he had. Have you ever tried going mad without power? Nobody listens to you.
If power corrupts, then absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Wait where have I heard that line...
@@jasondaveries9716 The Simpsons Movie
@@Prich319 lol... not true! Anything absolute is uncorruptable by definition.
Cheeky bastard
These little boxes all deserve Oscars for their dedicated and incredible performance!
Especially the heartbreaking scene between Julia and Pompey
The elephant box was good also
*not pictured*
That scene sparked more emotion in me than 99.99% of everything hollywood has ever created.
@@JohnDoe-vi1im but.... is Gladiator the 0,01%?
"His year"
"Wife dies"
Clearly not his wife's year
@@henrylansing9734 mans finally free
Which one he had 5
@@Yrkr785 Julius Caesar's daughter
With Julia dead, he had no familial ties to Caesar, and was free to plot and war against him. Not that it would turn out well for the guy, head on a silver platter and all.
"Who should go instead?" "Crassus!" "Crassus?!" *broken record*
Making my day, thank you.
It's almost outstanding how corrupt the Republic was during Caesar's time. It's no wonder that it fell apart, and that an opportunist like Caesar was able to manipulate such a broken and apathetic political scene.
caesar did nothing wrong.
The Italian Republic, 2000 years after Rome, is still a corrupt shithole, maybe more than ever. Democracies ruined Europe
Analisi Videoludica Are you a Communist? a Monarchist? a Fascist? a Paternal autocrat? or just a shit-poster?
It was broken, but it wasn't apathetic
@@axelandersson6314 Do you know my country better than myself? Or are you just a virtue-signaler?
This is one of my favorite channels.
No fucking way. You watch Historia Civilis??
you are a fantastic person
Mixed feelings about your own videos, but nice tastes right here
Fancy to see you here! :D
Evan, good taste. as always.
Hey , I have a request : can you explore the time of Sulla , Marius and so on ? We so often hear of Caesar's time ( not just you , generally ) , but so little about the run up that formed him .
explore times o f Gracchi bros.
This period you both mentioned is greatly expanded upon in The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan
@@Hugh_Morris -
*Looks up book*
*Sees it's recommended by Dan Carlin*
**Purchase**
Honestly he should have started way back from Rome's founding
He probably should too considering a lot of his videos take place around the time of the fall of the republic, the actions of the Gracchi, Sulla and Marius are instrumental to setting this time period up?
Are ya ready kids!? Aye, aye, imperator! Ooooh... who's starving the people of Rome to death? Pompey, Pompey! Who wants to start a campaign in the East? Pompey, Pompey!
Spongebob?
M. Chen, No, it's Imperator Spongebob, sole Consul of Rome and de facto Proconsul of Hispania.
XD
underrated
Somehow I've managed to imagine something other than spongebob; With the same melody
THE most underrated channel on youtube. No other has managed to completely fascinate me in a subject I used to find so boring
Normally, I wouldn't advertize on another person's channel, but you should check out BazBattles. They have even fewer subscribers than Historia Civilis.
+CodeKillerz Baz Battles is good at showing the battles (what a suprise), but he severely lacks in the politics of nations and war. In other words, baz is like hearts of iron 4, and historia civilis is like Victoria 2.
*Victoria 2 and hearts of iron 4 themes play*
@@maxradke2189 Johan Waltz starts playing
AND HE DOES IT WITH COLORED SQUARES
Clodius' wife was Fulvia, who would later marry Mark Antony and who definitely wasn't murdered by Antony. Clodius and Fulvia's daughter was Claudia, who became Antony's stepdaughter. During the Second Triumvirate's forming, she was offered by Antony to Octavian as his first wife.
A cool side note is that the Domitius mentioned here is actually Domitius Ahenobarus, the same Domitius Ahenobarbus who later gave Caesar so much trouble in the civil war
I knew it!
Golden opportunity missed @ 14:10
"Is that legal?"
"I will make it legal!"
XD
Alternatively:
"Is that legal?"
"WELL IT'S LEGAL NOW!!!"
"But the senate will never approve!"
"I AM the Senate!"
@@justafaniv1097 not yet
Something tells me that betraying Caesar is the worst possible course of action.
Because, it piss off Ceaser, and everyone knows that if you piss off Ceaser, it ends badly of you.
betraying someone who owns 8 legions is a pro strat
It worked. Once.
@@vulpes7079 did it? What happened to them I wonder
I'm a HUGE history buff, particularly Greco-Roman history, and the middle ages. Came across your channel by accident and have been binge watching ever since. I love the slight comedic touches you add while telling a very accurate tale of history. Please keep up the great work you do.
"A conservative named Milo" some things don't change
Many things don't change. That's the point of conservatism. HC also has a video were he talks how Rome was a sword free zone.
Arthur O'Brien Do you know what a joke meant?
Benjamin Rogers Milo did say he was the 'predator' not in a joke manner
Wonder if this one diddles kids too
"shouting obnoxious chants to drown out pompey"
yep, some things never change
The beauty of politics. Obtaining power is more important than staying true to one ideology.
I would not say Pompey ever had an ideology, he just was into power.
He may have liked power, but anyone who would tell Sulla to his face that he was past his prime probably wasn't too bothered about keeping it.
He really was a modern-day alexander- everything he did, he did for his own legacy and glory. The power was a nice bonus.
Tell that to Cato, my man.
Ideology comes with indoctrination. The ideology of these men was that, no matter what, the legacy of Rome, and with it the legacy of their families and their own, must live on no matter what. That was what they were raised to believe since young age as patricians. Everything else was circumstantial.
Lmao ideology is for the pawns
"Pompey had gone mad with power"
"This was also Pompey's first day as consul"
"I have the most unparalleled military career in the republic!!"
(Caesar conquers Gaul the arch enemies of the romans since the beginning of time)
"Shit!"
Pompey helped pacify Hispania, returned to Rome to defeat Spartacus, all but ended piracy in the Mediterranean and defeated Mithridates in the East, along with other military feats. What were you saying about Caesar again?
Not to mention his earlier victories in North Africa (which is when he earned the title of "the Great" in the first place), his annexation of Syria, and his turning of Judea into a client kingdom.
Jared Spence I think he was saying Caesar beat Pompey despite the latter having every advantage imaginable.
@@jaredspence3020 Pompey didnt defeat Spartacus,Crassus did.
@@jaredspence3020 Then Caesar defeats Pompey in Battle despite being outnumbered.
The His Year videos are my favorites. We got a lot of years in one go here. Too bad there won't be many more like that, given what comes next.
Oh all the people from this late era Roman republic, I feel Pompey has it the worst. Practically forgotten by history in the mainstream lexicon because his contemporary was Julius Caesar.
Pompey is one of the most recognized Romans in history, he hasn't been forgotten at all; it's just... Julius Caesar is likely the most or one of the most famous people of all time; quite literally on par with jesus.
SilverHints “on par with Jesus” not even close buddy when Caesar’s gets billions of people to follow him and worship him today then and only then would he be close to Jesus’s standards, his no where close I doubt the majority of the world knows who Caesar is
Shade one was a great leader who was unjustly murdered before his time...the other was an overhyped Jew
@@benjammin9471 If he even existed at all and wasn't just a fictional character created to serve as the protagonist in a book of fairy tales which stood as the centerpiece of one of mankind's many thousands of bullshit religions.
Shade In the sense of people knowing his name yeah I’d say Julius Caesar is on par with Christ and George Washington
Now I can start to see why Caesar marched on Rome.
Yeah: When Caesar left to Gaul: Everything Gucci. In the meantime: The Conservative hard-liners under the pretext of "restoring order"
once again assumed full political control, like under Sulla, and made Pompey their new champion and quasi-dictator.
- Well, Caesar, congrats : You have become the new Rome's Most Wanted!
Dictator didn't mean the same thing to Romans as it does to us. It doesn't mean ruler, it's someone who is granted temporary emergency powers in times of crisis. They did not want Pompey to be emperor or something
@New_Account well, a lot of roman dictators actually did follow that rule. They gave up their positions when done with the crises.
The famous ones are, well, famous for a reason, but they werent exactly the norm.
@@sol2544 yep like Cincinatus
Like Palpatine?
Originally the office of dictator didn’t have a negative connotation among Romans (think of an exemplar like Cincinnatus to understand how it was supposed to work), and clearly in an emergency situation like the one we see here in 52BC, many Romans still considered the dictatorship an option in combating a crisis, but the city’s collective memory must have winced, considering how great a change there had been since Cincinnatus’-plenty of Romans would remember that just 30 years prior to 52BC Sulla had taken on the dictatorship and subsequently enacted his infamous proscriptions.
I adore how much of a continuing story you turn each of these episodes into. Can't wait for the next one.
Best use of the word "coincidentally".
hahahahaha I exploded too
same with this "bad omens"^^
I am glad to see that you are still keeping the symbol for the war elephant introduced in the Zama eipisode :)
I am heavily enjoying Caesar's playlist. Thank you so much for all this information. Your vocal delivery and graphic video format is engaging and helpful with following the historical plot.
As for when the Senate does things “illegally”, one must remember they essentially acted under the constitutional principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty. That means when there’s a contradiction of legislation, the newest piece of legislation supersedes the older one in so far as that contradiction applies to the preceding Act.
So technically the will of the senate is the law so long as the law itself was passed legally under the laws that prescribe parliamentary procedure (ie. a law that was passed when a quorum wasn’t reached would be illegitimate)
Roman senate dint have lagislative authority . Plebian council did .
@@niccolorichter1488 How are you defining legislative authority?
@@codekillerz5392Power to pass laws
@@niccolorichter1488 How are you defining law?
@@codekillerz5392 look the Senete only passed senatus consultum meaning senetes advice tho IT was more of a decree
But the Plebian Council passed Lex wich in latin means Law
The Roman senete didnt even tried to claim they have the Power to pass laws they just proclaimed Pompey to be Consul without any legal Authority to do so
Pompey could accept no man greater than him, and Caesar could accept no equal to him
Leo Willenberg id say the other way around at this point but that works too
@@nickcara97 come on you really think that Pompey would have just given up power had he beaten Caesar? Only difference if he won is Rome splits up faster because without a clear successor with a strong cult of personality that Octavian turned into Augustus, you'd have a bunch of generals and Senators who have zero incentive to work together and would be quick to follow the example that Sertorious laid out. And who would stop them? Rome still exists but the Senate's authority would be ornamental at best but without a unified central command so a warring states period where everyone is still Roman but no one agrees on top leadership. This continues until smaller states are combined into 3 or 4 top competitors and then maybe a delayed imperial Rome but just as likely a permanently fractured series of successor states like after Alexander or 3rd century China.
Mother, bring the olive oil! Historia Civilis has uploaded again!
10:57 What I kept wondering was: "with violence on the streets and corrupt elections", why did the Roman people not consider looking to Cicero to solve the problem instead of Pompey? Dealing with violence and bribery in the political process, maintaining stability, and even the need for a Senatus Consultum Ultimum...sounds a lot like Cicero's year as consul. Besides, just in the abstract, in the situation Rome was in, someone with a proven track record of promoting order and stability who also isn't closely aligned with either of the two factions inciting violence...sounds like the candidate I'd go for. And having previously served in 63 BCE, Cicero would have become eligible to run again in 54 BCE to hold office in 53, exactly the point where all this is happening.
Instead, to solve the problems of violence on the streets and corrupt elections, the Romans turned to the person who had just conducted a corrupt, violent election.
Cicero was a Pompey supporter.
Hmm, I guess that would explain it. I didn't pick that up from the video (Cicero is only mentioned once here), but obviously this video doesn't mention everything.
By this point Cicero had been forced to play along with the triumvirate's games. See 58 and 57 BCE.
@@Wolfeson28 Cicero's independence was increasingly restricted by the Triumvirate ever since the Triumvirate got rid of his banishment. Cicero could not say anything negative about those three men or they might turn Clodius on him again. So that is why Pompey got to be dictator. In that sense, Clodius really made Cicero's life hell and reduced his political power even in defeat.
Oh boy this didn't age well
Hey. I love your videos and it has helped me immensely on a lot of personal projects of mine as well as understanding how the Roman armies operated and whatnot. I've recommended a lot of my mates to this channel, who happen to love it. Keep it up!
I smell a Civil War.
Alea jacta est. at this point already.
hmm thats civil war your smelling
That’s a fine nose you’ve got there
Nah
14:10 "This was super duper illegal."
"Stop quoting laws to us who carry swords."
C O N S O L E OF ROME
SHAME ON THE HOUSE OF PTOLEMY
Thomas Gungor it's Consul not "console" like an Xbox one
oh i didn't know haha good meme
I think this is a pun on "sole" because Pompey was sole consul of Rome.
con sul
This channel with Mike Duncan's History of Rome really helped contextualize and gives true meaning to the life and society of rome, not just the upper echelon, but how the injustice of society was tolerated by those with means and left the rest (middle class and below) to rot. We all have this marble visage of rome, when really that is just the facade and the cracks underneath highlight why the society fell and could not move forward.
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My god, this channel is so good. Watching the videos in chronological order is such an educational experience. Way better than skimming wikipedia pages. I will be watching every new upload from now on :)
love the graphic you used to show Clodius' bribes. Shooting them with gold haha
Pompey: "My politics are: whoever's daughter I'm fucking rules."
a comma would really help there, lol
Seeing a new Historia Civilis post always makes my day
I look forward to these videos more than any other content on UA-cam. great stuff!
I like how all the videos are starting to fit together.
Man I love this channel. Pompey was a freaking mastermind, in a few years he managed to completely outmaneuver Caesar under his nose and form a stalwart against the reform faction.
I love these videos so much, a really great way of visualising Ancient Rome and its politics! Thanks for making this series and i can't wait for the next instalment!!
I really love you're videos, they're always so interesting. You make history come alive with little squares. I like how you describe a lot of the events and interactions using modern language and idioms. It makes ancient Romans seem relatable somehow. Milo hearing not guilty: "WTF"
THIS WAS UPLOADED ON MY BIRTHDAY!!! :D Best gift ever
it's realism like 9:47 that makes this channel so good
Yes! finally ive been waiting a minute for this, good work! Historia civilis
always a delight to see your vids pop up
You have the best channel on UA-cam!
This creates an extremely interesting historical 'what if?' scenario. What if Pompey, not Crassus, went on a campaign against the Parthians?
He would have probably won and conquered Parthia, and just by this he would have become the next Alexander. At that point it would have been difficult even for Ceasar to defeat him.
@@stefanopiroddi2687 i think he actually did not overcome Caesar in military genius. When the 2 squared off, yes, Pompey first defeated Caesar, but then at Pharsallus he was completely annihilated. So yes, Pompey was a genius, but Caesar is still Caesar.
Then again I dont believe Pompey could have beaten the Parthis, cause they were never beaten by the Romans, even in following centuries, their empire was just way too massive for Rome to control and subdue. Easy as that.
@@adalgisounoqualunque9033 I think too that Caesar was the better military genius, but Pompey was a master at the political game. Caesar basically seized his opportunity to rally the people and those loyal to him after Crassus went kaputt. But if Crassus had not decimated the legions in Syria, the political momentum would have still been on Pompey's side. All Pompey had to do was to play conservatives and plebes alike to portray Caesar as a power-crazed general (which, in fact, Caesar always was). By then, it would have been Caesar and his legions against the entire rest of the Roman Republic. Simply too much, even for the might and mastermind of Caesar.
As for the Parthians: you are right that probably Parthia would have not been conquered. But Pompey wouldn't have made the same mistake Crassus did when he said nada to the Armenian help. Notwithstanding that Crassus was still an incompetent idiot. Pompey would have manuevered much more subtly and would have never met the Parthians in open field without Armenian cavalry archer support. I personally think Pompey would have succeed in at least bringing a significant victory for Rome, signing a treaty of peace with Parthia and would have went back to Rome to enjoy a THIRD triumph, something unheard of that would have made him the most celebrated Roman of all time.
Another thing: while we do remember Pharsalus as a decisive victory for Caesar, if we look at the battle itself, Pompey did nothing wrong. He had the larger force, he had the hill protecting him. His mistake was to think that every soldier is equal, he underestimated veterans fighting for a cause larger than themselves. The veteran reserves of Caesar army had much better experience and were more attached to Caesar than Pompey's troops were to him. Those veterans overturned his cavalry and crushed Pompey's line, securing the battle for Caesar. But was something that, while it should have been taken into account, was minor compared to the tactics of the battle themselves. In the end, it was Pompey's rush to the battle (probably ill advised both by his old age and by the Senators with him) that undid him and his genius. If he had stayed on the hill, Caesar would have probably starved to death along with his troops. Caesar's mastermind was to gain the momentum and turn it around on Pompey's when all for Caesar seemed lost.
@@adalgisounoqualunque9033 I am pretty sure Trajan occupied all of modern Iraq from the Parthians and kept during his reign.
Well - Good thinking, firstly - The Roman civil war wouldn't have happened
Pompey would be paraded as the next Alexander
The street violence in Rome would end after he gains the right to march on Rome - He would be made consul by the Senate without an election, and end the violence
The triumvirate would be remembered as the greatest alliance in history, and Crassus would die at the age of around 70, in around 45 BC, by which point Pompey would be in his early 60s and Caesar in his 50s.
During this period - Pompey would get a triumph, this triumph would be as tremendous as the Gallic one, he would be remembered as the greatest conquerer in history. After defeating Vercingetorix, the triumvirate would let Caesar run for office in abstentia - His consulship would be alongside one of his allies in 48 BC.
In 47 BC, the political situation in Rome would be like in 59 BC.
Caesar would be remembered as a good general, Pompey, would be remembered as the greatest.
The republic would just be normal, Caesar would end up conquering Egypt with ease because he was could handle more than 4000 men, the Roman republic would eventually collapse - but that wouldn't happen 'till around 50 AD
I love you, man! Going to start supporting your Patreon. :)
I came across your channel from a YT suggestion 2 weeks ago. I just finished all 44 uploads. Thanks.
I want to hear the whole JC story already! Looking forward to it.
Pompey, oh Pompey. Getting on Caesar's bad side is never a good Idea.
I seriously love your videos about ancient Roman politics, they´re are incredibly well put together and are both entertaining and educational!
Your channel really does deserve to be more well-known. I mean who else than you could possibly make ancient Roman politics interesting, let alone entertaining!
"His year" are usually the best videos.
Just WOW this channel blows me away!
"If I win I'll bring world peace! _and recall Caesar from Gaul_ "
I could sit and watch these videos for hours and hours and hours. Thank you so much for the time you put into these.
I decided to take a swig every time a politician does something illegal. I am very drunk.
1:40 Came so out of left field that I audibly said "What?" the first time I saw it.
This is why I love UA-cam, you get more info on what it's like back then from youtubers now then you do on history channels then again the history channel is just bikers pawn shop and shizz about aliens, but thanks for doing these videos and if anyone likes to learn more history there is historyden he goes way into depth in the wars he's currently doing the Punic wars if anyone is interested and has done the Greeks like the Persian war and others Oh and bazbattles who has done a lot on medieval history and Alexander the Great etc, just trying to share some history love since I always look for more history UA-cam channels to help my craving to learn more so hope this helps you all :)
These videos are amazing. There needs to be more in depth dramas based around this time period, its fascinating. Keep them coming! :D
When we will hear about our friend Crassus and his golden throat?
Thanks again for other magnificent video!
I definitely think becoming you patreon is one of the best 1$ ever spent.
Cheers!
Love your videos m8 i dont always agree with your points but some very interesting stories never the less
great as always
I'm already looking forward to the "Crassus vs Surena" followup video!
This channel is so underappreciated
it was so nice of Caesar to let his soldiers go home and vote.
Awesome!!! I wanna hear what happens next!! GO HISTORIA CIVILIS!!!!!!
"Pompey's popularity continued to rise" I think you meant to say his... *Pompeylarity*
Oooooooh fuk XD
I seriously look forward to your videos. Your storytelling abilities and your wealth of knowledge really inspire me.
Oh the shit is going to hit the fan! God I can't for the next episode!
I have no idea how you still only have 100k subscribers... Your videos are great, though i can barely even imagine how many 100 thousand people are.
I'm glad you came back, these stories are just getting better and better, keep it up!
"Clodius was killed"
Never has one sentence sounded so beautiful.
From the moment he started speaking about Clodius' shenanigans on this channel, I told to myself "This dude is either gonna be a monarch or be killed. I've never heard the name of such a would-be-consequential monarch as 'Clodius', therefore he must have been killed."
Then I sighed of relief.
I am so glad you are uploading again.
“With violence on the streets and corrupt elections people were believing the political situation was becoming more and more unstable.” Literally America 2020-2021
my history lessons in school have always been so boring. And on this channel I just can't stop watching.
love the Nato symbol for war Elephant
he made that up in his video on the battle of zama
@Zachary Durocher he was providing an extra tidbit of info.
It's always going to be a good day, when there's a new historia civilis video!
I wonder how history would have played out if Crassus had survived his war in Parthia. Would he have allied with Caesar against Pompey? Would his presence force Pompey to back down and maintain the triumvirate? We'll never know, but it's a good bit of speculation.
Best channel for Roman history on UA-cam.
I feel a little bad for Milo. Many of his actions were reactive, he tried to limit Clodius through legal means like elections or the courts, and he risked his life by making himself Clodius' main enemy. And all of that just to get exiled because Pompeii wanted to increase his power.
Always brings me great joy whenever a new video comes out.
"That's a nice head you have on your shoulders!" - sea raiders
*it's almost harvesting season*
I'm so happy I found this channel. Thanks for all this cool content.
Milo the conservative ROFL
I don't understand what either of you two are trying to say
It's a mention to how people today accuse Milo Y of inciting violence against Muslims. In the video the Milo in Rome was also accused of inciting violence.
that was the joke.
Thanks for explaining it to me. I wasn't trying to make a joke though, only pointing out that these two individuals share a name and an ideology.
I wonder if he had a greek bloodline.....
His father had greek and irish ascendancy.
I love how you're structuring this story, it's fantastic
Actually Pomepey got booed over the wailing of the elephants , Cicero was completely perplexed by this.
Hey Historia Civilis! I'm really loving your channel. The intrigue w/ Caesar and the rest of the gang is pretty interesting and can't wait to hear how the rest plays out. More power and best of luck with your channel :)
Please Please do Caesar marches on Rome
It's coming bro, easy
Charlys Bonada
Hey! Spoilers!!
Strideo1
Not spoilers actually. You're two thousand years late to the party...
Play-Doh
Your humor detector may need recalibration.
When? WHEN GODDAMNIT?
I'm loving this videos on the Roman Senate.
These people were nuts
Now I see where Star Wars got inspiration from :\
I can't believe how messed up Rome politics were. Rome is often held as the top civilization of the times, but I wonder if other countries fared better, even under dictatorships.
EternalAnomaly this was at the end of the republic, in its golden age there was little or no corruption at all in all the Res Publica, because of Mos Maiorum
@ultraboy222 CGP Grey did a video series on dictators (The Rules for Rulers) which explains quite well why dictators almost always have to be corrupt and put themself first.
Roman Empire was a mess of too, I have just been listening Roman Emperors: Totalus Rankium podcast and it's quite entertaining with its shadiness too.
Sara Samaletdin Give Mike Duncan a run too!
I watched that video too :) And got the "The Dictator's Handbook" to delve deeper in to the phenomena.
You know, the more I hear about the later years of the Roman republic, the less bad I feel about Caesar just having them all fuck off.
You know that Cicero defended Milo in his trial for the murder on Clodius? It was one of the only cases that Cicero lost clean in the court.
Your channel is absolutely fantastic. I cannot wait for the next installment.
*'With violence on the streets and corrupt elections, (people) were starting to feel that the political system was becoming more and more unstable'* - now where have I heard that before?...
Another quality video. Proud to be a patron!