In Poland firearms are hard to get. Poachers sometimes modify airguns to shoot .22 long rifle or something like this. When police busts someone with such rifle or some rusty WWII relics, they claim that they "uncovered an illegal arsenal of firearms".
I found this to be extremely interesting. I'm a 22 LR guy, and I doubt seriously that I would use the .22 pellets with the 'tool rounds', but, all I can say is WOW. I was impressed with the watermelon shot. It would be a good squirrel round.
@@MrSniperdude01 I meant for the barrel load. For a cylinder you can use penetrators or round tip diablos. The h&n Hornet will also devastate small game. Honestly though you shouldn't have an problems using normal crossman hollow points. They're round tipped and with peel a raccoons lid back. Both the red fires and the crossman hollows are my go to hunting pellets and I only hunt small game with a .177 pump.
@@MrSniperdude01 I've killed a lot of small game with these, I hit a rabbit at about 600fps with a .177 redfire in the head straight on and found the pellet in its rib cage. You can drop a bird easy with the walmart stuff and an accurate rifle.
@@MrSniperdude01 Your problem could be that you're using a .22 I've found spring/piston .22 rifles to be a little inaccurate. A normal pcp pump .177 is my usual go to for hunting, virtually no recoil, they don't chew up scopes, and the .177 flies faster. I've found .177s to expand better most of the time.
David Henderson just wondering about the fit of the pellet in the cylinder, if it wasn't tight enough the pellet could shear off going into the barrel. Due to the pellet not flying straight
@@ViktoriousDead Well if that was the case it would also happen when being used in the 22 rifle. Like I said the gap would have to be huge for any problem I am thinking. A little checking on line shows the gap to be from .005 to .008. Anything more than that the weapon is not safe to fire.
David Henderson I don't understand how that could be the case in the rifle seeing as they muzzleloaded it? You were referring to loading the cylinder with the blank cartridge and pellets right? That's where I was thinking their could be a problem seeing as the .22 pellet doesn't have the same dimensions as a .22 LR or other .22 caliber.
Back in the 1960s you could buy a .22 smoothbore rifle which fired what was called 'dust shot' for use in orchards apparently, didn't take long for us to buy blanks along with a .22 pellet and see what happens. Quite a powerful result.
I notice your post name is aberbeeg, in Sis Balls we did the same in the 1960s same rifle, I thought we used ordinary blanks which as you said produced powerful results. Naughty boys back then!
Even though the pellet is a bit undersized compared to the bullet, the pellet skirts are very thin and the gas will push them into the rifling groves to engage the rifling well. There are .38 special wadcutter bullets that have a hollow cavity at the real used in bullyeye competition that are designed this way.
Carlos Rodriguez A real .22. No nail. Someone told me that the nailgun chamber won't house a .22 lr but I wonder if the nail gun barrel can be used somehow
Cool. Don't go by the color to differentiate between power levels though unless you always stay with the same brand. What I found in the past is that each company used their own color codes. I never thought of it before but these blanks must be contributing to .22 ammo shortages.
1600 in 22 over 2000 in 177 😀 depending on the blanks .. black powder blanks arent as affective as smokeless nitro blanks . its the speed of gas expansion , black powder is a lot slower burning so expands slower ...the pellet has left the barrel before full expansion of the gasses
@@tomhughes5123 u are backwards on that. Black powder is faster burning than smokeless. And those pellets are no where near 2500 fps. In .22lr cci hv is 1400fps.
@@pranc236 it depends on the shape and size, but generally smokeless powder burns faster than black powder. There's a reason we could not get 556 level velocities out of black powder
I've done similar experiments with with only the priming mixture and no powder charge in the .22, firing them into modeling clay. The velocity is low enough that the pellets don't self destruct and you can recover them intact. What I found is that the sudden rise in pressure after the primer ignites actually forces the pellet skirt up to the head so you land up with a pellet that looks like a parallel sided shot glass.
Use a small ramrod or "pusher" to push the .22 soft lead pellet a little way up into the rifled barrel. This does 2 things... it engages the pellet skirt in the rifling.. and there is a volume of air behind the pellet so the hot violent gases from the burning powder can cushion a little before full force is exerted on the pellet... It may also reduce the "boiling" of lead from those gases hitting the base and reduce the amount of lead sprayed into the bore from this melting effect.... (which is why larger calibre soft lead projectiles have copper base caps (gas checks) that crimp onto the base of those projectiles protecting the soft lead...
you know those air rifle pellets have a cone on the back of them like the conical bullets in the civil war. when the powder goes off it expanse the cone into the rifling's which will make them accurate. its not going to hurt the gun. good survival ammo.
The civil war conicals were a combination of bullet weight, shape, powder type, and burn rate all working in harmony. The fast powder in the hilti shells overpowers the ultra light weight pellets and does affect accuracy. Not only that but pellet speed can actually drop off with the more powerful yellow blanks! This was proven by +RyeOnHam when he did some chronograph tests. Better to use the lightest blanks color coded brown.
Will Yam smokeless powder burns slower than black power that is a fact. slower burning powders burn all the way down the barrel and makes for higher velocity. that why that pellet is being destroyed. the pellet is just like the conical bullet of the civil war the cone will expand and engage the rifling it just needs a smaller powder charge.
mad max the idea is to get close to the same burn time as it takes to get the projectile out the barrel, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is the direct difference between big bore and small bore powders is burn time but compound is irrelevant. black powder is granulated after the ball mill processes to controll burn time.
You're correct about the burn rates of different powders, but what is the chamber pressure? Excess chamber pressure can damage the firearm and injure the shooter. The load data found in reloading manuals will always tell you the chamber pressure for a particular load based on the type and amount of powder and type of bullet and weight. This seems like guess work since you don't know the powder charge in a Hilti .22 shell and there isn't much info on .22 rim fire rounds since they can't be hand loaded. It seems to me if its outperforming factory ammo, it must have a much higher chamber pressure and may be approaching the danger zone.
they're called power loads for a reason, they release more energy than a firearm round because they're designed to drive metal into concrete as opposed to soft flesh, but because there's more energy released than your weapon is designed to handle, you run an extreme risk of destroying the weapon and the hand holding it
@@wulfarrow2849 Well Yes and No, I have tested some hot loads in .22LR's the semi-auto has a thinner barrel, BUT also has a place for the gases to escape....On a bolt gun it has NOWHERE to go!
That's 7 cents a round for something that loads slow and works better for varmints. I wouldn't hunt with it because the pellet would end up contaminating meat when it disintegrates. This would be great for that rifle with feeding issues, but shoots straight.
briansmobile1 I don't think it would do squat to the meat. It punched a clean round hole through steel plate. I don't think a rabbit would fair as well.
***** Perhaps a twin magazine system would provide the necessary result? A shell up back & the projectile up front? I would a love it if a gunsmith tried this idea out!
you have a great channel. it's always cool to watch what you come up with. i think the pellet videos are awesome. I'm thinking of trying it with my 10/22. the people that are negative can go and make their own channel. nobody made them watch yours. keep up the good work. thanks for sharing this with us.
One way to prove that the pellets were flying with higher velocity and energy than the bullet was to look at the locker. The pellet literally looked like it drilled a hole in the metal, didn't even chip the paint. The bullet dragged a lot of metal in with the hole. Higher velocity shatters its way through, lower velocity punches its way through.
I did this same experiment 3 years ago, Shot a 1.5" diameter aspen tree at 15 yards and blew it down... good news... Now for the bad news.. the pellets are traveling so fast down the barrel they solder the rifling leaving lead deposits in the rifling. Each time you shoot more of the rifling get soldered off into the rifling, causing super increased pressure, Eventually to the point where your gun barrel will explode, not a very smart idea.... If you had a solid copper pellet.... not a copper coated one... you wouldn't get the soldering effect of the lead pellet on the rifling inside your barrel. Never took it to that step... for I destroyed my 22 repeater from over pressure, it permanently knocked out my bullet head space and ruined my gun completely. When I looked at the rifling in the barrel... there was no twist to be seen, it was completely soldered out from the lead pellets.. Do not do this with lead pellets you could seriously hurt or kill someone or your self !!!!
This is really cool, I have never seen anyone try this before, and it obviously works great. You are achieving extremely high velocities with those lightweight pellets. Very cool! Some guys with break-barrel, spring piston pellet rifles are adding a drop of oil in the pellet skirt, then firing it from the air rifle.. The air compression ignites the oil, creating a high velocity shot. It's pretty cool also, if you like messing around with air rifles you might give it a try. They call it dieseling.
+Trevor Jameson Dieseling is really bad for the gun though. If you really want hyper velocity pellets, just make your own rifle that will do so. Barrels can actually be made from paper. Yes, that's right, paper. You have to make the barrel pretty thick though, and watch the pressures.
I dieseled hundreds of pellets from my old Gamo (back in the 1970s). It would be interesting to experiment with different fuels. I had sewing machine oil so I used that. No malfunctions but anti-fun parents confiscated it.
I've done it, but the results are not very consistent, unless you have a way to ensure that you use the exact same amount of oil each time. And it's murder on barrel seals, they don't last long. I've got another stupid idea, boring out the back end of a .177 air rifle barrel so that a cartridge will fit in it, modifying the compressor so it punches the primer (instead of trying to blow air through it), loading the modified bb gun with slugs and giving that a go. Those slugs ought to go like the clappers.
TAOFLEDERMAUS 8 days ago We did try that but because the blank is necked down, the gases went around the pellet and the transition from the chamber through the forcing cone caused the fragile pellets to self-destruct.
Been doing this since 2013! 410 to 22 adapters for my Judge. Bit of candle wax holds the pellets to the nail gun blanks (I use browns tho) Accuracy satisfactory even with smooth bore adapters. After all ITS -NOT- A TARGET PISTOL!!!! LOL Good enuf and cheap enuf for shooting rats in the corn crib. It sure beats trying to wield a long barrel in tighter spaces and it doesn't blow holes in the siding as a 'legitimate' 22 would do. Works at greater distance than the birdshot rounds! Gotta make sure you killem tho, wounded rats can be dangerous!! ROFL
Interesting set-up. Seeing this reminds me of what my kid brother and his buddy did when they were in grade school. Our dad was a carpenter and had a box full of these blanks in the garage. My brother and his pal snuck some of the blanks out into the field, put one in a vise and hit it with a hammer! The blank shell took off and went through the pal's upper arm, missing the bone. He calmly walked back to my parents' house and told my dad, "excuse me sir, I shot myself." My dad was shocked and then angry after he took the kid to the hospital. We kids had all been told for years to never touch those blanks. That kid was lucky it didn't go into his face.
Did the same on a job site, hit one with a piece of rebarb a piece whent through my finger and another into my thumb and another stuck in my forehead! I was bleeding all over, never tried it again! I believe the crimped edges of the blank is what came off!
Two friends and I found a 22 round and, of course, decided to put it on a curb and pound it with a brick. It went off and shot my friend in the foot and he took off like Usain Bolt! It took us 5 min to catch him! mom took us to the hospital. He was ok but the rest of had the belt to deal with when We got home! That was 50 years ago and I remember like yesterday.
I knew a guy with a glass eye, he said he would put the shell at the end of a bb gun and shoot it up. But he didnt do it anymore when a peice came back and damaged his eye, and curved around the skull bone inbetween the brain.
I've used the yellow loads, to nail 2×6's to 3/16" steel beams with PL400 adhesive for extra measure and cushioning. You have to use special high carbon steel nails, that fit the Hilti gun as well.
@@gonzogriff Here in Ireland it used to be yellow>red>black with black being most powerful, that was 40 -50 years ago though , so I don't know if its the same here nowadays...🤔
I tried doing this about a year ago with my cheap bolt action .22 rifle. But I loaded the pellet into the breach and then put the blank behind it. It hit the target fine but left behind a ring of lead that prevented me from shooting again until I removed the lead with a sturdy wire bore cleaner. So in short I only got one round to fire off. I might try it again in the future.
You could have several of those blanks in the tube magazine, and just muzzleload the pellets.... Wouldnt be a bad choice for us folks in south america, in which we cant use muzzleloaders due to the availability of black powder.... Unless a good samaritan of an engineer makes smokeless powder versions of muskets, percussion and breechlock rifles and such, this would be the closest alternatiive
Jeff, I'd love to see you guys mess around with powder-propelled pellets some more. Could you make up rounds that would feed? Maybe based on .22lr cases?
Hmmm, need to check those out on various armor. Those are very clean holes through that locker and those little boogers are moving pretty damn fast. They also have the pointed target pellets that would be interesting to see. Neat stuff guys!
Has someone chronographed this?! This is basically a hot load. But hornady doesn't give a listing for powder grain weight for .22 because you can't reload rim fire. I wonder how fast it'll wear out internals. Southern ingenuity at it's finest!
I did this with and old winchester 06 and light pellets, but the "skirt" of the pellet was cut from the head and was stuck in the barrel. Anyway, the ones that got out were very very fast
John Willis 10 days ago (edited) I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
Speed kills. What if you lightly epoxy the pellets to the blanks? Worth a shot. You have finally answered the question everyone thinks when they see or use these for work. Thanks for sharing.
I just diesel my pellets honestly you probably wouldn't think it but Vicks vapo rub works great and has a small blue flame that trails from the pellet that you can see at night
In Mexico used this system in national rifles= Mendoza or Cabañas, but in .177 cal Mendoza in the model M-990, Cabañas in the model: Leyre(cabañas is discontinued and is very hard to find these rifles in some places of Mexico)
James Garvey solid tungsten penetrator is my wet dream... wait.. that sounded so gay xd now srsly, since tungsten is tougher than steel its a bitch to machine out. i doubt it is even possible, but you could coat anything metal in tungsten in home conditions by galvanisation. now that's homegrown ammo, literally heheh
Using blanks to fire projectile, does sometimes make the shot more powerful than the regular cartridge. Thats because the blanks have more powder so they have enough power to drive a nail in to concrete.
i would think so given the gas skirt on a pellet , probably best to rear load though , you would just have to look at your overall length for the 2 and make sure that clears the cylinder
Take a small punch and crimp the skirt of the pellet out slightly; when you push it into the chamber, it will stick in there, kind of like it would in an air rifle.
JVONROCK Actually them squashing is likely why they made such a clean entry, all the kinetic energy was spread evenly due to it being a soft but heavy metal.
Wonder if this would work in one of those $99.00 revolvers? Think it would make it from the wheel through the barrel? At least you could get some multi shots.
Clean the chambers with lead removal tools every 5 shots....the soft lead skirts are hammered by the violent hot gases and smear like crazy.... Check the forcing cone for the same thing.. and the rifling just after the forcing cone when what is left of that soft lead skirt tries to grip the rifling to start the projectile spinning. A revolver is really a bad idea... A fixed barrel semi auto pistol that is easy to break down and get the lead out of is a better idea...more velocity (no chamber to forcing cone gap)......and quieter, too.
I have a falling block single shot .22 that could be used this way. Be interesting to see what the MV was on those shots: it must have been way above normal. If the skirts come off, I'd try air rifle slugs.
You need to lube those pellets if you are going to shoot them like that or your barrel is going to get a dangerous amount of leading. Tumble them in Lee Liquid Alox and you will be much safer and probably a lot more accurate as well.
John Willis 10 days ago (edited) I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
I had good results by soldering the skirt full with a fine-tip soldering iron. It adds extra weight and keeps the skirt from separating. I have even gone as far as soldering a 177 bb into to pellet skirt and used JB weld to secure it to a ram set cartridge.
A Caution to consider with pellets is that the collar of the pellet can shear off the head and be left in the barrel. This was found with #2's pushing the pellet through a rifle barrel.
It does that even with ordinary .22 blanks... as the lead skirts are very soft and the gases are hot and far more violent from these nail gun cartridges.
could it be the powder?. try shooting a normal .22 round with the superX's. And then use a .22 blank with the pellets. I think the powder is just strong.
Ive got the same pellets in solid dome, the cupped back actually bends quite easy, so i'd imagine upon firing, that cup expands out into the rifling making a hell of a tight seal. Normal .22 rounds have a band used to engage the rifling. Would be cool to capture in a ballistics gel block to see what happens to the round.
these charges do contain some very fast burning powder, the high pressures could take a toll on the action of a rifle over a long time, especially if you try and drive a heavy projectile!
In Washington State, "powder activated tool"s are legally firearms now, if you hand one to a friend to use, you have to have a background check done, same when he hands it back to you. How's that for insanity?
Clean the chambers with lead removal tools every 5 shots....the soft lead skirts are hammered by the violent hot gases and smear like crazy.... Check the forcing cone for the same thing.. and the rifling just after the forcing cone when what is left of that soft lead skirt tries to grip the rifling to start the projectile spinning. A revolver is really a bad idea... A fixed barrel semi auto pistol that is easy to break down and get the lead out of is a better idea...more velocity (no chamber to forcing cone gap)......and quieter, too.
Honestly. It's been done for years. I'm 32 and I figured this out when I was 12. Try putting a small drop of super glue on the pellet and put it on the tip of the cartridge. It's alot faster and easier and better consistent results. Further more... use a bolt action. Oh ya you were off on your fps estimate. We've clocked them at 2650 to 2700 when you try that method.
a few freinds of mine made pipe guns that do this. you can also use these (along with some very good steel tube for your bolts) in modified pneumatic crossbows.
Yes... perhaps starting with a .22 center-fire barrel, or a .22 insert in a break-barrel shotgun, to have sufficient steel around the chamber to withstand the pressures generated.... I agree that using a standard .22 rim-fire could be problems, which is why I suggest the most conservative approach...
I'm in construction and I've used hundreds of those yellow shots to nail wood to concrete. The box describes them as "Low Velocity", so I was quite surprised at how much they compared to a similar "real" bullet.
imagine using the red caps, yellow and green are the weak ones. i own a ramset, and the red ones are most often too much. i only use the red when attaching wood to structural steel. they need to try the red ones!
Finally, a channel (RyeOnHam) took me up on the offer of CHRONOGRAPHING the pellet velocities! BE SURE to check out this excellent video! VR Shooting 22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
We were doing this decades ago (70's) when I was a teen and early 20's. We used my old Marlin bolt action and a friends old Remington 511 bolt gun, for the bolt actions work so much easier. Just open the bolt, insert the pellet and load the blank behind the pellet. Back then, I had several tins of the very small starter pistol blanks, and even those gave enough speed and accuracy to kill birds, squirrels and close range rabbits. The nail gun blanks would give a whole new level of speed and power, and as you learned, the power of those blanks could deliver near 22 mag speed and power.
John Willis 10 days ago (edited) I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
***** .17 HMR and .204 Ruger. The first is a necked down 22 magnum. and the .204 is a necked down .223 I'm pretty sure. Both shooting smaller bullets from a larger parent case; making their velocities better and flatter trajectories for the most part.
Good idea. Reminds me of when I was a grunt in the army and if I got bored in the woods during down-time on state-side field exercises I would drop a section of cleaning-rod down the barrel of my M4 and with a blank firing behind it it would go so far into a tree that it was impossible to pull out with bare hands.
I have some nails that are .15 cal so I can use them in my pellet rifle, using a bit of styrofoam as a wad, and fire them over an inch deep into wood from 10 feet away lol
When i was in the guard......it was deer season....but we were doin training...had blanks and miles gear on.....one guy decided to take his blank adapter off and use a cleaning rod to bag a deer....
The shortage is in people's heads. Nothings changed. The government us NOT buying up the .22s. They are producing the same amount. But when u tell someone there is a shortage they will buy as many boxes as the can as soon as they can.
With no copper jacketing on those pellets, you'll get lead fouling in the barrel if you shoot a lot of those. As long as you clean for that kind of fouling, it's fine, but something to think about.
Close... the relationship between weight and speed is not linear. With the yellow powder charges, you're spitting pellets out around (pauses to close ad)
*Ad closed* 2100-2250fps With the red (green, yellow, red, purple) loads you are close to 2500fps with a 16g projectile. Haven't been able to find the purple loads to try them.
***** I'd counter that the key word is 'dynamite'. I guess it depends which part of the comment we're focusing on. You have to admit that blasting a stick of dynamite at a C4 target would be fucking awesome.
I made a pellet mould years ago out of two pieces of aluminum bolted together and use a 4.5 millimeter drill bit down the seam, just like the old time bullet moulds.it worked, I was using a daisy pump with a 3-9x power scope, and you could actually see the pellet spin in a two foot circular pattern too the target,It wasn't accurate by no means, my friend shot a few of them and saw it he was like "Damn, what kind of pellet was that" I said "shhhh, it's a mystery pellet, because it doesn't know where in the heck it's going. But that was impressive how that pellet you guys shot, just burned a hole through a piece of 1/8 inch thick piece of stainless steel,and the damage that it did too the melon was impressive. I wonder what kind of powder they use in the nail gun rounds and what kind of lead composition is used in this pellets, that's like anti material rounds, I wonder if some of the powder was jammed into the cone of the pellet and upon impact became super ignited and melted that steel, Because that was a perfect hole, with no indentation.you guys just stumbled onto something and I'm gonna be up all night studying pellet compositions.anyway good job
John Willis 10 days ago (edited) I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
I think the ideal gun for this would be a double action .22lr revolver. With the swing out cylinder it would be very easy to place the pellet directly into the rifling, put your blank in the cylinder, close it and fire. Hell if you wanted too you could put nail gun blanks onto a speed loader/ moon clip so you could have 10 rounds of plinking at a time and actually be able to do it fairly quickly if your range rents by the half hour. Pretty economical way to shoot if you just love plinking.
Those are "Citron Melons", they are similar to watermelons but are an ancestral breed of the plant. I googled it thinking they were GMOs, but they are the opposite.
NinjaDeathBlade I don't know what part of the world that you grew up in, but here in California around the Central Valley, those (used to) grow wild on the sides of the road. We called them "Cow Melons" .. of course "back in the day" before the internet, we used to collect them together -especially the over-ripe or soft ones- to lob at each other in great big melon wars.. though, if memory serves, we also blew a fair share of them into smithereens via firecrackers
My experiment, a .22 slam-fire using Marlin 60 barrel ($21.45 EBay) inserted inside a 3/4" PVC pipe, a 1" PVC pipe housing with 3/4" X 12" black steel pipe inside the 1" PVC as hammer/firing-pin, firing 4 'Premier Brand' 12 gram pellets loaded in the barrel at the same time with level 4 cartridge, projectiles went through a piece of 2 X 4 with a small .22 entry and a big nasty exit on the backside.
+ctpOMG gain your freedom then idk what to tell you pellet guns only do so much unless you want to spend $1000+$. the right to protect yourself is essential
Drew Martin "gain your freedom" keep you'r patriotic tlk to yourself, and no shit pellet guns only do so mcuh unless you spend so much money, i could say the same for real guns, and a .22 isn't going to protect you so much, and where i live there's no need for protection.
Mr. Martin, have you ever done something just for fun, may be a rocket stove despite you have a real stove in your kitchen, or may be making a slingshot? You should check out Jorg Sprave Channel the German with real guns, greatest slingshots on YT.
I remember being a poor southern boy in Texas. Me and my buddies didn't have the cash to buy rifles so we took piece's of pipe with a diameter big enough to fit a 22 round and a end cap with a small whole drill off center. We had his dad who was a shade tree mechanic weld a nut to the end of the cap so it would act as a guide for a carpenter nail then another small piece of pipe with one side cut so it would hold the nail with a small spring on the back. To load we simply unscrewed the end cap and placed the 22 round into one end and put the cap back on. To fire we had a small piece of wood blocking the nail from striking the round. We simply lined up a target and pulled the wood out and bang! Dead squirrel for Dinner! Yeah it was inaccurate over a few yards but for squirrel's, rabbits and other small creatures at close range it worked! So glad we never used nail gun blanks and pellets that extra hot charge would have blown up our DIY rifles! Great time's Great vid!
In Poland firearms are hard to get. Poachers sometimes modify airguns to shoot .22 long rifle or something like this. When police busts someone with such rifle or some rusty WWII relics, they claim that they "uncovered an illegal arsenal of firearms".
1 gun in 100 people in Poland according to the statistics. That is probably as low as it can get.
Don't you just love half-assed hype?
Sound like Polish and Norwegian police have lot in common...
Poland: woke on immigration, not so much on firearms.
@@Tyrfingr 1 in 100? Dang, I have 7 myself
When I was in the Army, we used M16 blanks,and Crossman .22 pellets, firing out of M16s
Lmao that's awesome XD
I Wonder how many feet a second that would go?
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@CubanAssassin MMA there flared at the back so maybe it fit just snug enough
Ohhrah to infinity and beyond. I wanna see the speed and damage.
$35 for 500? Still cheaper than anything I've found lately!
You'd think the prices would have come back down by now!
Haha yeah
if only you had any idea of how bad it'd get
@@taofledermaus ahahah!
@@taofledermaus I am from the future, They never came back down
I found this to be extremely interesting. I'm a 22 LR guy, and I doubt seriously that I would use the .22 pellets with the 'tool rounds', but, all I can say is WOW. I was impressed with the watermelon shot. It would be a good squirrel round.
Good chicken whacker too.
They're cool with pellets but don't use actual 22lr bullets. The pressure will be dangerously high.
You guys have just developed armor-piercing pellets, you guys rock 😂🤣😂
@@MrSniperdude01 just use a gamo red fire. They're accurate and hit like a truck.
@@MrSniperdude01 I meant for the barrel load. For a cylinder you can use penetrators or round tip diablos. The h&n Hornet will also devastate small game. Honestly though you shouldn't have an problems using normal crossman hollow points. They're round tipped and with peel a raccoons lid back. Both the red fires and the crossman hollows are my go to hunting pellets and I only hunt small game with a .177 pump.
@@MrSniperdude01 I've killed a lot of small game with these, I hit a rabbit at about 600fps with a .177 redfire in the head straight on and found the pellet in its rib cage. You can drop a bird easy with the walmart stuff and an accurate rifle.
@@MrSniperdude01 Your problem could be that you're using a .22 I've found spring/piston .22 rifles to be a little inaccurate. A normal pcp pump .177 is my usual go to for hunting, virtually no recoil, they don't chew up scopes, and the .177 flies faster. I've found .177s to expand better most of the time.
@@MrSniperdude01 have some that are made with bb in them. They suck but the red tipped gamo ones have went through a 2x4
How about a .22 revolver? Take the cylinder out and load it up. Put it back and fire like a old cap and bail pistol.
David Henderson you think the pellet would make it through the cylinder gap?
@@ViktoriousDead I do not see why the cylinder gap should matter unless the revolver is so warn out the gap is a 1/4 wide.
David Henderson just wondering about the fit of the pellet in the cylinder, if it wasn't tight enough the pellet could shear off going into the barrel. Due to the pellet not flying straight
@@ViktoriousDead Well if that was the case it would also happen when being used in the 22 rifle. Like I said the gap would have to be huge for any problem I am thinking. A little checking on line shows the gap to be from .005 to .008. Anything more than that the weapon is not safe to fire.
David Henderson I don't understand how that could be the case in the rifle seeing as they muzzleloaded it? You were referring to loading the cylinder with the blank cartridge and pellets right? That's where I was thinking their could be a problem seeing as the .22 pellet doesn't have the same dimensions as a .22 LR or other .22 caliber.
If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid!
Yep.
Or its stupid and you got incredibly lucky.
+Hans Solo Zimmler You are right.
Apply that to 9/11
Maxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."
Back in the 1960s you could buy a .22 smoothbore rifle which fired what was called 'dust shot' for use in orchards apparently, didn't take long for us to buy blanks along with a .22 pellet and see what happens. Quite a powerful result.
I notice your post name is aberbeeg, in Sis Balls we did the same in the 1960s same rifle, I thought we used ordinary blanks which as you said produced powerful results. Naughty boys back then!
Funny. I don't remember .22 pellets being available in the 1960s. CCIs were a penny a pop, though.
@@timhofstetter5654 Bought tens of thousands back then, Marksmen were my preferred .22 pellet.
Australia we call that round Rat shot or Bird shot.
All these years later you still innovate and put out awesome content.
thanks Luke!
No, thank you you showed me this trick years ago. A real squirrel slayer. Better than the .22 Dianna 350 by far.
I was doing this back in early 80's.
Even though the pellet is a bit undersized compared to the bullet, the pellet skirts are very thin and the gas will push them into the rifling groves to engage the rifling well. There are .38 special wadcutter bullets that have a hollow cavity at the real used in bullyeye competition that are designed this way.
I had the skirts tear off in rifling but works good. Use heavier pellets.
Next up, firing a .22 round out of a nailgun.
firing a nailgun salesman likley.
gullf1sk any idea if it might work?
Luis ZELAYA With or w/o the nail?
Carlos Rodriguez A real .22. No nail. Someone told me that the nailgun chamber won't house a .22 lr but I wonder if the nail gun barrel can be used somehow
Luis ZELAYA
really called sling guns or Ramset drivers..they push a piston bigger than the blank 22 or 25 cal.
Cool. Don't go by the color to differentiate between power levels though unless you always stay with the same brand. What I found in the past is that each company used their own color codes.
I never thought of it before but these blanks must be contributing to .22 ammo shortages.
You should chrono the pellets. It would Be interesting to see what the true FPS is.
1600 in 22 over 2000 in 177 😀 depending on the blanks .. black powder blanks arent as affective as smokeless nitro blanks . its the speed of gas expansion , black powder is a lot slower burning so expands slower ...the pellet has left the barrel before full expansion of the gasses
@@tomhughes5123 u are backwards on that. Black powder is faster burning than smokeless. And those pellets are no where near 2500 fps. In .22lr cci hv is 1400fps.
@@pranc236 it depends on the shape and size, but generally smokeless powder burns faster than black powder. There's a reason we could not get 556 level velocities out of black powder
Reminds me how soldiers from the LRRP unit in Alaska used to shoot their cleaning rods out of their M16's using 5.56mm blanks.
I've done similar experiments with with only the priming mixture and no powder charge in the .22, firing them into modeling clay. The velocity is low enough that the pellets don't self destruct and you can recover them intact.
What I found is that the sudden rise in pressure after the primer ignites actually forces the pellet skirt up to the head so you land up with a pellet that looks like a parallel sided shot glass.
Use a small ramrod or "pusher" to push the .22 soft lead pellet a little way up into the rifled barrel.
This does 2 things...
it engages the pellet skirt in the rifling..
and there is a volume of air behind the pellet so the hot violent gases from the burning powder can cushion a little before full force is exerted on the pellet...
It may also reduce the "boiling" of lead from those gases hitting the base and reduce the amount of lead sprayed into the bore from this melting effect....
(which is why larger calibre soft lead projectiles have copper base caps (gas checks) that crimp onto the base of those projectiles protecting the soft lead...
I was so sure that the 22LR ammo would out preform the pellets but I was wrong great video keep up the good work you got a subscriber
+Pablo Munoz thanks!
jut found a good apocalypse substitute ammo :D
you know those air rifle pellets have a cone on the back of them like the conical bullets in the civil war. when the powder goes off it expanse the cone into the rifling's which will make them accurate. its not going to hurt the gun. good survival ammo.
The civil war conicals were a combination of bullet weight, shape, powder type, and burn rate all working in harmony. The fast powder in the hilti shells overpowers the ultra light weight pellets and does affect accuracy. Not only that but pellet speed can actually drop off with the more powerful yellow blanks! This was proven by +RyeOnHam when he did some chronograph tests. Better to use the lightest blanks color coded brown.
Will Yam smokeless powder burns slower than black power that is a fact. slower burning powders burn all the way down the barrel and makes for higher velocity. that why that pellet is being destroyed. the pellet is just like the conical bullet of the civil war the cone will expand and engage the rifling it just needs a smaller powder charge.
mad max the idea is to get close to the same burn time as it takes to get the projectile out the barrel, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is the direct difference between big bore and small bore powders is burn time but compound is irrelevant. black powder is granulated after the ball mill processes to controll burn time.
madmax...its called a miniéball....(miné or min-aye-ball) named after Claude minié....but gets called mini ball.
You're correct about the burn rates of different powders, but what is the chamber pressure? Excess chamber pressure can damage the firearm and injure the shooter. The load data found in reloading manuals will always tell you the chamber pressure for a particular load based on the type and amount of powder and type of bullet and weight. This seems like guess work since you don't know the powder charge in a Hilti .22 shell and there isn't much info on .22 rim fire rounds since they can't be hand loaded. It seems to me if its outperforming factory ammo, it must have a much higher chamber pressure and may be approaching the danger zone.
Wow, that pellet is just as fast as a 5.56, Super impressed :)
Another commenter chronographed his and got 2900 to 3000ft per second..accurate to 100 yards.
looks like freakin 5.56 holes in thin steel. amazing! those rounds are haulin
Marilyn Gist 5.56 is extremely close in diameter to .22 so at these velocities it makes sense that they look the same
17Industries they are actually the same at .223 inch
@@gaydolfhitqueer835 no,they aren't
they're called power loads for a reason, they release more energy than a firearm round because they're designed to drive metal into concrete as opposed to soft flesh, but because there's more energy released than your weapon is designed to handle, you run an extreme risk of destroying the weapon and the hand holding it
it would probably be best to just do this with either break actions or bolt actions, a lot of times the barrels on semi-autos are thinner
The shells can't hold enough powder to blow a normal barrel. i'd not fire one from a sleeved barrel though. if it's too thin it might go pop
@@wulfarrow2849 Well Yes and No, I have tested some hot loads in .22LR's the semi-auto has a thinner barrel, BUT also has a place for the gases to escape....On a bolt gun it has NOWHERE to go!
In a gun fight, it's safer to take cover behind an inch of paper than an eighth-inch of steel.
No shit
I said no shit dumbass
+TechysTechTalk lmao
+TechysTechTalk Oh noes, he didn't reply to you what ever shall you do?
+TechysTechTalk
"i go on with my life like a normal person"
> replies for the 3rd time two months later
dumb ass.
That's 7 cents a round for something that loads slow and works better for varmints. I wouldn't hunt with it because the pellet would end up contaminating meat when it disintegrates. This would be great for that rifle with feeding issues, but shoots straight.
briansmobile1
I don't think it would do squat to the meat. It punched a clean round hole through steel plate. I don't think a rabbit would fair as well.
Dawg meat and metal are 2 different things
This is seriously interesting! Who would have though that the 'improvised' round would work better than the factory round?
***** Perhaps a twin magazine system would provide the necessary result? A shell up back & the projectile up front? I would a love it if a gunsmith tried this idea out!
Quincy Owyang It was more of a 'can it be made?' rather than to put into production.
L I i Lily l l k i l loi My mp
never heard of a .22 hornet have ya? its a flared round with light grains and shitloads of power.
why not just breakbarrel?
you have a great channel. it's always cool to watch what you come up with. i think the pellet videos are awesome. I'm thinking of trying it with my 10/22. the people that are negative can go and make their own channel. nobody made them watch yours. keep up the good work. thanks for sharing this with us.
+blackops84321 thanks!!
One way to prove that the pellets were flying with higher velocity and energy than the bullet was to look at the locker. The pellet literally looked like it drilled a hole in the metal, didn't even chip the paint. The bullet dragged a lot of metal in with the hole. Higher velocity shatters its way through, lower velocity punches its way through.
I did this same experiment 3 years ago, Shot a 1.5" diameter aspen tree at 15 yards and blew it down... good news... Now for the bad news.. the pellets are traveling so fast down the barrel they solder the rifling leaving lead deposits in the rifling. Each time you shoot more of the rifling get soldered off into the rifling, causing super increased pressure, Eventually to the point where your gun barrel will explode, not a very smart idea....
If you had a solid copper pellet.... not a copper coated one... you wouldn't get the soldering effect of the lead pellet on the rifling inside your barrel.
Never took it to that step... for I destroyed my 22 repeater from over pressure, it permanently knocked out my bullet head space and ruined my gun completely.
When I looked at the rifling in the barrel... there was no twist to be seen, it was completely soldered out from the lead pellets..
Do not do this with lead pellets you could seriously hurt or kill someone or your self !!!!
KEVINNOAD1 lol this comment prob fell on deaf ears.
KEVINNOAD1 pp
Or clean the barrel after each shot? ...which makes it even more tedious.
Copper does the same thing. Very common in gun barrels. Lead requires lubricant to slow down fouling.
I kind of figured that would happen...
This is really cool, I have never seen anyone try this before, and it obviously works great. You are achieving extremely high velocities with those lightweight pellets. Very cool! Some guys with break-barrel, spring piston pellet rifles are adding a drop of oil in the pellet skirt, then firing it from the air rifle.. The air compression ignites the oil, creating a high velocity shot. It's pretty cool also, if you like messing around with air rifles you might give it a try. They call it dieseling.
+Trevor Jameson Dieseling is really bad for the gun though. If you really want hyper velocity pellets, just make your own rifle that will do so. Barrels can actually be made from paper. Yes, that's right, paper. You have to make the barrel pretty thick though, and watch the pressures.
+Trevor Jameson Gotta try this...how to seal the oil in the pellet ?
I dieseled hundreds of pellets from my old Gamo (back in the 1970s). It would be interesting to experiment with different fuels. I had sewing machine oil so I used that. No malfunctions but anti-fun parents confiscated it.
I've done it, but the results are not very consistent, unless you have a way to ensure that you use the exact same amount of oil each time. And it's murder on barrel seals, they don't last long.
I've got another stupid idea, boring out the back end of a .177 air rifle barrel so that a cartridge will fit in it, modifying the compressor so it punches the primer (instead of trying to blow air through it), loading the modified bb gun with slugs and giving that a go. Those slugs ought to go like the clappers.
It's not true, dieseling is a fairy tale. Personally, I tried it with several fuels and a few air rifles for me.
wonder if you could just glue the pellet to the casing and treat it like normal. probably nor, but still interesting to think about
TAOFLEDERMAUS
8 days ago
We did try that but because the blank is necked down, the gases went around the pellet and the transition from the chamber through the forcing cone caused the fragile pellets to self-destruct.
Been doing this since 2013! 410 to 22 adapters for my Judge. Bit of candle wax
holds the pellets to the nail gun blanks (I use browns tho) Accuracy satisfactory
even with smooth bore adapters. After all ITS -NOT- A TARGET PISTOL!!!! LOL
Good enuf and cheap enuf for shooting rats in the corn crib. It sure beats trying
to wield a long barrel in tighter spaces and it doesn't blow holes in the siding as
a 'legitimate' 22 would do. Works at greater distance than the birdshot rounds!
Gotta make sure you killem tho, wounded rats can be dangerous!! ROFL
Now that is a wildcat load!
Lol
9 years later, and youtube just recommended this to me. I ain't complaining, but the algorithm is wild these days. Great video though ❤
Interesting set-up. Seeing this reminds me of what my kid brother and his buddy did when they were in grade school. Our dad was a carpenter and had a box full of these blanks in the garage. My brother and his pal snuck some of the blanks out into the field, put one in a vise and hit it with a hammer! The blank shell took off and went through the pal's upper arm, missing the bone. He calmly walked back to my parents' house and told my dad, "excuse me sir, I shot myself." My dad was shocked and then angry after he took the kid to the hospital. We kids had all been told for years to never touch those blanks. That kid was lucky it didn't go into his face.
Did the same on a job site, hit one with a piece of rebarb a piece whent through my finger and another into my thumb and another stuck in my forehead! I was bleeding all over, never tried it again! I believe the crimped edges of the blank is what came off!
I detonated a few 22 LR Primers with a hammer. It ruptures the brass and was remarkably loud. It probably did damage my hearing.
savage friend
Two friends and I found a 22 round and, of course, decided to put it on a curb and pound it with a brick. It went off and shot my friend in the foot and he took off like Usain Bolt! It took us 5 min to catch him! mom took us to the hospital. He was ok but the rest of had the belt to deal with when We got home! That was 50 years ago and I remember like yesterday.
I knew a guy with a glass eye, he said he would put the shell at the end of a bb gun and shoot it up. But he didnt do it anymore when a peice came back and damaged his eye, and curved around the skull bone inbetween the brain.
I've used the yellow loads, to nail 2×6's to 3/16" steel beams with PL400 adhesive for extra measure and cushioning. You have to use special high carbon steel nails, that fit the Hilti gun as well.
does it get more powerful than the yellow ones?
@@gonzogriff Here in Ireland it used to be yellow>red>black with black being most powerful, that was 40 -50 years ago though , so I don't know if its the same here nowadays...🤔
How about the reverse, shooting a regular .22 cartridge in a nail gun?
I tried doing this about a year ago with my cheap bolt action .22 rifle. But I loaded the pellet into the breach and then put the blank behind it. It hit the target fine but left behind a ring of lead that prevented me from shooting again until I removed the lead with a sturdy wire bore cleaner. So in short I only got one round to fire off. I might try it again in the future.
+Josh Bonds Try a copper pellet next time.
You can either use a lower-power blank, such as #2, or a bit heaver projectile....
Velocity beats armor more than mass
... Both the velocity and the mass are involved in the kinetic energy of the round fired... KE = (1/2)*mass*velocity
+saverlater123 *velocity^2
yes, that is true, but velocity has a greater effect
+saverlater123 momentum is mass*velocity kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2 therefore in energy velocity has much more influence.
+Manilla Ice the word was impact
You could have several of those blanks in the tube magazine, and just muzzleload the pellets.... Wouldnt be a bad choice for us folks in south america, in which we cant use muzzleloaders due to the availability of black powder....
Unless a good samaritan of an engineer makes smokeless powder versions of muskets, percussion and breechlock rifles and such, this would be the closest alternatiive
Jeff, I'd love to see you guys mess around with powder-propelled pellets some more. Could you make up rounds that would feed? Maybe based on .22lr cases?
It should work in a revolver maybe?
@@roosterqmoney That seems like a sensible suggestion, yeah! In as far as 'sensible' applies here...
Hmmm, need to check those out on various armor. Those are very clean holes through that locker and those little boogers are moving pretty damn fast. They also have the pointed target pellets that would be interesting to see. Neat stuff guys!
Might want to put the pellet in a lubricated patch. That high velocity could leave lead in the barrel.
Has someone chronographed this?!
This is basically a hot load.
But hornady doesn't give a listing for powder grain weight for .22 because you can't reload rim fire.
I wonder how fast it'll wear out internals.
Southern ingenuity at it's finest!
I did this with and old winchester 06 and light pellets, but the "skirt" of the pellet was cut from the head and was stuck in the barrel. Anyway, the ones that got out were very very fast
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
You should do some more videos on these. Seems very interesting, and would this work in a single shot bolt gun?
They actually work better in a bolt gun. No worries about the rifle cycling the empty case. It is slow but will work in a pinch.
I'm sure we will. We have a lot of the pellets and the cartridges left.
*****
Thank you, I'll be looking forward to that.
***** so use the bolt gun to shoot the pellets into ballistics gel
Would be a option but here in canada a 100 box of hilti blanks is $30 bucks and a tin of 250 .22 pellets is $21 so $60 with taxes
Assasins special, nothing left for forensics
Speed kills. What if you lightly epoxy the pellets to the blanks? Worth a shot. You have finally answered the question everyone thinks when they see or use these for work. Thanks for sharing.
I just diesel my pellets honestly you probably wouldn't think it but Vicks vapo rub works great and has a small blue flame that trails from the pellet that you can see at night
In Mexico used this system in national rifles= Mendoza or Cabañas, but in .177 cal Mendoza in the model M-990, Cabañas in the model: Leyre(cabañas is discontinued and is very hard to find these rifles in some places of Mexico)
Copper pellets! At those velocities it should penetrate like crazy!
+James Garvey Gamo sells copper plated pellets, they are even faster than normal pellets, imagine if they were shot with blanks ! :))
+qpae123 that's exactly what I was thinking.
+James Garvey you can sand em down then coat em with tungsten by -electrolysis- galvanisation for even more fun. rip barrel...
+Klaus Von Liechtenstein hmmmm.. Solid tungsten would be interesting too!
James Garvey solid tungsten penetrator is my wet dream... wait.. that sounded so gay xd
now srsly, since tungsten is tougher than steel its a bitch to machine out. i doubt it is even possible, but you could coat anything metal in tungsten in home conditions by galvanisation. now that's homegrown ammo, literally heheh
Using blanks to fire projectile, does sometimes make the shot more powerful than the regular cartridge. Thats because the blanks have more powder so they have enough power to drive a nail in to concrete.
I wonder if the .22 pellets would stay in a revolver cylinder?
i would think so given the gas skirt on a pellet , probably best to rear load though , you would just have to look at your overall length for the 2 and make sure that clears the cylinder
If not, you could always glue them to the charges to make rounds.
Take a small punch and crimp the skirt of the pellet out slightly; when you push it into the chamber, it will stick in there, kind of like it would in an air rifle.
Such a clean entry those pellets make, I'd expect them to be squished or splattered.
JVONROCK Actually them squashing is likely why they made such a clean entry, all the kinetic energy was spread evenly due to it being a soft but heavy metal.
Wonder if this would work in one of those $99.00 revolvers?
Think it would make it from the wheel through the barrel?
At least you could get some multi shots.
Clean the chambers with lead removal tools every 5 shots....the soft lead skirts are hammered by the violent hot gases and smear like crazy....
Check the forcing cone for the same thing..
and the rifling just after the forcing cone when what is left of that soft lead skirt tries to grip the rifling to start the projectile spinning.
A revolver is really a bad idea...
A fixed barrel semi auto pistol that is easy to break down and get the lead out of is a better idea...more velocity (no chamber to forcing cone gap)......and quieter, too.
I have a falling block single shot .22 that could be used this way. Be interesting to see what the MV was on those shots: it must have been way above normal. If the skirts come off, I'd try air rifle slugs.
So, you invented the .22 muzzle loader?
lol
You need to lube those pellets if you are going to shoot them like that or your barrel is going to get a dangerous amount of leading. Tumble them in Lee Liquid Alox and you will be much safer and probably a lot more accurate as well.
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
I had good results by soldering the skirt full with a fine-tip soldering iron. It adds extra weight and keeps the skirt from separating. I have even gone as far as soldering a 177 bb into to pellet skirt and used JB weld to secure it to a ram set cartridge.
Cool.
A Caution to consider with pellets is that the collar of the pellet can shear off the head and be left in the barrel. This was found with #2's pushing the pellet through a rifle barrel.
I still recommend trying this at home.
Good luck everybody 👍!
Need to chrono these and see how fast they are going, if you punch the lead too fast it will foul your barrels. And may create high pressures
It does that even with ordinary .22 blanks...
as the lead skirts are very soft and the gases are hot and far more violent from these nail gun cartridges.
could it be the powder?. try shooting a normal .22 round with the superX's. And then use a .22 blank with the pellets. I think the powder is just strong.
Also the pellets are lighter.
Also the pellets have a cupped back, so I believe it helps it catch more pressure, giving it more velocity
Ive got the same pellets in solid dome, the cupped back actually bends quite easy, so i'd imagine upon firing, that cup expands out into the rifling making a hell of a tight seal. Normal .22 rounds have a band used to engage the rifling. Would be cool to capture in a ballistics gel block to see what happens to the round.
these charges do contain some very fast burning powder, the high pressures could take a toll on the action of a rifle over a long time, especially if you try and drive a heavy projectile!
Aussie50; and that's what .22 lever guns are for :)
I was doing that 45 years ago... anyone, any age could buy those, and make OK bullets.
Try level 5, if I remember, they were coded brown. Harden cement, is the hardest to drive a nail in.
Pretty amazing vid,
Thanks!
In Washington State, "powder activated tool"s are legally firearms now, if you hand one to a friend to use, you have to have a background check done, same when he hands it back to you. How's that for insanity?
yeah when you have people that do this, it actually does become a firearm.
Question: Have you tried loading a revolver to have multiple shots?
Clean the chambers with lead removal tools every 5 shots....the soft lead skirts are hammered by the violent hot gases and smear like crazy....
Check the forcing cone for the same thing..
and the rifling just after the forcing cone when what is left of that soft lead skirt tries to grip the rifling to start the projectile spinning.
A revolver is really a bad idea...
A fixed barrel semi auto pistol that is easy to break down and get the lead out of is a better idea...more velocity (no chamber to forcing cone gap)......and quieter, too.
Awesome video once again, and as always, AMAZING RESULTS...
Thanks Paul. We were very surprised.
I have been wanting to/thinking about doing this, since I was like 10 years old! I knew it would work!
Honestly. It's been done for years. I'm 32 and I figured this out when I was 12. Try putting a small drop of super glue on the pellet and put it on the tip of the cartridge. It's alot faster and easier and better consistent results. Further more... use a bolt action. Oh ya you were off on your fps estimate. We've clocked them at 2650 to 2700 when you try that method.
Hmm...too bad there isn't a rifle specially made to do this; it'd be a great recreational shooter!
+Alonzo Branson Either .22 break action rifle or revolver should work well. With some paper and glue you can even make a cartridge)
+КоммуНЯКА Кавайная Yep.. But the #4 charge, and .22 bullets for the mini-revolvers were too much for my Buckmark.... gotta get it fixed.
+koolkitty8989 I was thinking the exact same thing, loading the pellets with a small Allen wrench in a single shot breech bolt action.
a few freinds of mine made pipe guns that do this. you can also use these (along with some very good steel tube for your bolts) in modified pneumatic crossbows.
Yes... perhaps starting with a .22 center-fire barrel, or a .22 insert in a break-barrel shotgun, to have sufficient steel around the chamber to withstand the pressures generated.... I agree that using a standard .22 rim-fire could be problems, which is why I suggest the most conservative approach...
I'm in construction and I've used hundreds of those yellow shots to nail wood to concrete. The box describes them as "Low Velocity", so I was quite surprised at how much they compared to a similar "real" bullet.
imagine using the red caps, yellow and green are the weak ones. i own a ramset, and the red ones are most often too much. i only use the red when attaching wood to structural steel.
they need to try the red ones!
+Mike Truglia I imagine it would far over power the pellet and it would rip apart mid air, or not stabilize in any regard. Just a guess though.
The #4 rips the pellet skirt off in the barrel, and you gotta get it out before you can load another pellet...works OK with the #2 .
@@miketruglia4825 pellet won't stand the strain.
@@The_PotionSeller powdered. it's to much pressure for soft lead.
We used to shoot sharpened spikes through a Benjamin 22.
Nailed it!
Finally, a channel (RyeOnHam) took me up on the offer of CHRONOGRAPHING the pellet velocities! BE SURE to check out this excellent video!
VR Shooting 22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
can you glue or hot wax the pellets onto the ramset round?
I wonder what would happen if you shot steel BB's or copper pellets at some body armor? Would they be AP?
How loud are they?
I'm guessing they are fucking loud because they break the sound barier....
....Twice.
ZentetsukenVII The description of the video said they were significantly louder than a standard round
ZentetsukenVII why should they be loud ? "Breaks sound barrier" means travels faster than sound, which just means it has really big speed.
We were doing this decades ago (70's) when I was a teen and early 20's. We used my old Marlin bolt action and a friends old Remington 511 bolt gun, for the bolt actions work so much easier. Just open the bolt, insert the pellet and load the blank behind the pellet. Back then, I had several tins of the very small starter pistol blanks, and even those gave enough speed and accuracy to kill birds, squirrels and close range rabbits. The nail gun blanks would give a whole new level of speed and power, and as you learned, the power of those blanks could deliver near 22 mag speed and power.
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
The damage reminds me of what a .17 hmr or a Ruger .204 does. Pretty cool stuff!
+Inkwellish The smaller quick rounds are pretty darn fun to shoot with.
***** .17 HMR and .204 Ruger. The first is a necked down 22 magnum. and the .204 is a necked down .223 I'm pretty sure.
Both shooting smaller bullets from a larger parent case; making their velocities better and flatter trajectories for the most part.
They are very prone to metal fouling,
Timothy Terrell would you call them barrel burners?
Good idea. Reminds me of when I was a grunt in the army and if I got bored in the woods during down-time on state-side field exercises I would drop a section of cleaning-rod down the barrel of my M4 and with a blank firing behind it it would go so far into a tree that it was impossible to pull out with bare hands.
SGT D well that rod isnt cleaning anything anymore
Ive done that with a .22, pulled the bullet and doubled the load, cleaning rod would stick pretty good lol
Wow
Risky business. Don't think a section of cleaning rod weighs the same as a projectile you might be using. Props for trying it out though!
I have some nails that are .15 cal so I can use them in my pellet rifle, using a bit of styrofoam as a wad, and fire them over an inch deep into wood from 10 feet away lol
When i was in the guard......it was deer season....but we were doin training...had blanks and miles gear on.....one guy decided to take his blank adapter off and use a cleaning rod to bag a deer....
I have a remington speedmaster! I got way too excited when i saw it :)
The shortage is in people's heads. Nothings changed. The government us NOT buying up the .22s. They are producing the same amount.
But when u tell someone there is a shortage they will buy as many boxes as the can as soon as they can.
With no copper jacketing on those pellets, you'll get lead fouling in the barrel if you shoot a lot of those. As long as you clean for that kind of fouling, it's fine, but something to think about.
That means that you can get 3000 fps if you make a bullet with a 22 lr. Case and a 14g pellet.
Close... the relationship between weight and speed is not linear.
With the yellow powder charges, you're spitting pellets out around (pauses to close ad)
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2100-2250fps
With the red (green, yellow, red, purple) loads you are close to 2500fps with a 16g projectile. Haven't been able to find the purple loads to try them.
This seems like a remarkably dangerous thing to do. Can you try shooting sticks of dynamite out of a 12 gauge?
John Smith The keyword is "seems"
KawasakiRider - I'm not comparing anything... I was joking. So, that's that cleared up.
***** I'd counter that the key word is 'dynamite'. I guess it depends which part of the comment we're focusing on. You have to admit that blasting a stick of dynamite at a C4 target would be fucking awesome.
John Smith I knew you were joking about the dynamite/shotgun. I wish I had some dynamite and a shotgun I didn't want though. lol
TNT maybe, MAYBE
Dynamite, hell no
You should try Gamo Rocket pellets. They are topped with a .177 bb.
I used nail gun blanks in my B.S.A Meteor Rifle .22, in 1981, loads of fun,, But don't shoot your Brother with it,
really ,how did the cartige to go of .theres no bolt or anything ?
Ucan Far-cough I'm curious, did it damage the weapon in any way if it's not designed to have that kind of charge
Just shows you're not getting much bang for your buck when buying actual ammunition.
I made a pellet mould years ago out of two pieces of aluminum bolted together and use a 4.5 millimeter drill bit down the seam, just like the old time bullet moulds.it worked, I was using a daisy pump with a 3-9x power scope, and you could actually see the pellet spin in a two foot circular pattern too the target,It wasn't accurate by no means, my friend shot a few of them and saw it he was like "Damn, what kind of pellet was that" I said "shhhh, it's a mystery pellet, because it doesn't know where in the heck it's going. But that was impressive how that pellet you guys shot, just burned a hole through a piece of 1/8 inch thick piece of stainless steel,and the damage that it did too the melon was impressive. I wonder what kind of powder they use in the nail gun rounds and what kind of lead composition is used in this pellets, that's like anti material rounds, I wonder if some of the powder was jammed into the cone of the pellet and upon impact became super ignited and melted that steel, Because that was a perfect hole, with no indentation.you guys just stumbled onto something and I'm gonna be up all night studying pellet compositions.anyway good job
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video.
I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block.
I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load.
It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate.
I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets.
I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
Dang, I thought the book would've stopped the bullet.
That's what HE said...
lol glad someone got that.
Has anyone chronographed these to confirm velocity?
I saw another video...the chrono said 4, 750.... !!!!
Daaaaammmmn!
I think the ideal gun for this would be a double action .22lr revolver. With the swing out cylinder it would be very easy to place the pellet directly into the rifling, put your blank in the cylinder, close it and fire. Hell if you wanted too you could put nail gun blanks onto a speed loader/ moon clip so you could have 10 rounds of plinking at a time and actually be able to do it fairly quickly if your range rents by the half hour. Pretty economical way to shoot if you just love plinking.
Your watermelons might be "Buffalo Gourd" Cucurbita foetidissima
What the hell is a ditchbag watermelon? That thing's green on the inside and had almond sized seeds...
Those are "Citron Melons", they are similar to watermelons but are an ancestral breed of the plant. I googled it thinking they were GMOs, but they are the opposite.
NinjaDeathBlade A pest in California, and here in Australia. Most common name is Paddy Melon. They're toxic.
NinjaDeathBlade
I don't know what part of the world that you grew up in, but here in California around the Central Valley, those (used to) grow wild on the sides of the road. We called them "Cow Melons" .. of course "back in the day" before the internet, we used to collect them together -especially the over-ripe or soft ones- to lob at each other in great big melon wars.. though, if memory serves, we also blew a fair share of them into smithereens via firecrackers
Ditch bank melons. Stink when they rot
***** what doesn't stink when it rots? :P
It’s easy to glue the pellet to the tip of the charge and it works great out of a bolt action rifle.
Correction, for 35 dollars you get 500 rounds that you have to load like a musket. XP
at 2800 fps
DarkSideSixOfficial 35 for 500 at 1100fps is the norm
Muzzle loading 22 possibly the most badass drone Hunter out there
TAOFLEDERMAUS id totally do this with a .22 revolver
pretty cool man. screw the haters
+steve rohaley thanks Steve!
steve rohaley nail em
Use H&N Rabbit stoppers. That WORKS.
My experiment, a .22 slam-fire using Marlin 60 barrel ($21.45 EBay) inserted inside a 3/4" PVC pipe, a 1" PVC pipe housing with 3/4" X 12" black steel pipe inside the 1" PVC as hammer/firing-pin, firing 4 'Premier Brand' 12 gram pellets loaded in the barrel at the same time with level 4 cartridge, projectiles went through a piece of 2 X 4 with a small .22 entry and a big nasty exit on the backside.
or just spend 80-150$ and buy a real 22
Not everyone live in murica.
+ctpOMG gain your freedom then idk what to tell you pellet guns only do so much unless you want to spend $1000+$. the right to protect yourself is essential
Drew Martin "gain your freedom" keep you'r patriotic tlk to yourself, and no shit pellet guns only do so mcuh unless you spend so much money, i could say the same for real guns, and a .22 isn't going to protect you so much, and where i live there's no need for protection.
Mr. Martin, have you ever done something just for fun, may be a rocket stove despite you have a real stove in your kitchen, or may be making a slingshot? You should check out Jorg Sprave Channel the German with real guns, greatest slingshots on YT.
*sees 2800+ fps, thinks tao finally got a high speed camera with the money he makes from this channel, * no high speed?
Thepieintheface I have three HS cameras.
***** can you do slower frame rates, pretty please
***** no homo.
I remember being a poor southern boy in Texas. Me and my buddies didn't have the cash to buy rifles so we took piece's of pipe with a diameter big enough to fit a 22 round and a end cap with a small whole drill off center. We had his dad who was a shade tree mechanic weld a nut to the end of the cap so it would act as a guide for a carpenter nail then another small piece of pipe with one side cut so it would hold the nail with a small spring on the back. To load we simply unscrewed the end cap and placed the 22 round into one end and put the cap back on. To fire we had a small piece of wood blocking the nail from striking the round. We simply lined up a target and pulled the wood out and bang! Dead squirrel for Dinner! Yeah it was inaccurate over a few yards but for squirrel's, rabbits and other small creatures at close range it worked! So glad we never used nail gun blanks and pellets that extra hot charge would have blown up our DIY rifles! Great time's Great vid!
Hold ma beer and watch 'dis!