Making barrel rifling using steel tubes
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- Making barrel rifling using steel tubes
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In this video I will show barrel rifling for a 5.5mm, or .22 cal tube using an allen key. the same allen key method can be used for other calibers too, just make sure that the rifling button is 0.1mm-0.2mm bigger in diameter than the barrel inner (bore) diameter. In my case I used a 5.62mm button for a 5.48mm tube, and it worked quite well as you can see in the video. This barrel will be used for gas propelled PCPs.
Note: This video is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Do not emulate or copy anything you see in this video.
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I just wanted you to see this.
Some good hardwood "soft jaws" for your vice, and a solid brick or tile for your anvil while heating will help the part stay warmer while while working.
The metal jaws of the vice absolutely drain the heat from the part your working.
Good work bro.
Merhaba türkiyeden selemlar 6.35 namlu için düğme çapı ve tüp borunun iç çapı ne olmalıdır
@@doganilehersey7138 selamlar, tam olarak bilmiyorum ama bence genel olarak iç çapı 6.3mm-6.35mm iyi çalışabilir ve düğme çapı 6.45mm-6.55mm olsun, en az 0.15mm farkı lazım.
Google'den bunları daha iyi çekebilirsiniz.
@@pcpairgunschannel çok teşekkür ederim
@@doganilehersey7138 ne demek 👍
Nerelisiniz acaba?
The best video I've seen today. Engineering is the only way to create something
I made a sine bar machine which allows me to make different twist rates but a lot of work...this method you come up with is perfect for people with minimal tooling excellent idea mate well done
Sounds great!
Yes, this works really well and can be made with just an angle grinder, torch and some very basic tools. The end result looked better than I expected, very clean grooves.
Cano calibre 22LR ou 3,57 Magnum?
@@arpadlimanagy7018it's a 5.5mm ID tube, so .22-ish.
Nice video and very educative. But an urgent message from my side: NEVER WEAR GLOVES WHEN WORKING ON A LATHE ! The chance that your glove will be caught by a rotating workpiece is significant. You can imagine what this does to your fingers... or even worse. In my career as a technician I once witnessed a young guy who was found death on a lathe. It was a horrible experience. He was working alone in a shop. He wore gloves while working on the lath, he was sanding/polishing a rotating piece of tubing in the lath. The rotating tube caught his glove, then his sleeve and then his work jacked. The poor boy was strangled to death. The lath blocked while the motor kept running, the V belt started to heat up and caused a lot of smoke that came out from under the door. People in the area noticed this and so they went inside the shop and found the poor guy. Even now I get goosebumps when I think about it.
something similar once happend to me. during the first few month as an apprentice i worked alone on a drillpress in the shop for the first time. did some special parts and wore gloves. it was a rather big and weird shaped piece of metal so i coudnt fixate it to the vice, so i was holding it. than it slipped out of my hand and a sharp corner cought my glove and ripped if from hand and instantly wrapped it around the drillbit/workpiece. luckily that was not my hand. never ever wore gloves around spinning machines and always fixed workpieces in a vice since then.
There was another video that my eldest son showed me too. I've never been more terrified of a price of equipment as I was when I saw the poor guy get basically rolled up by an industrial lathe.
It was beyond horrifying to watch as his clothing was about all that held together as it wrapped him Backwards onto the lathe while the repeated slams basically burst his tissues til there was nothing left😔
I never wear gloves with any power tool like grinder chainsaw etc cause you dont have a good grip
Agreed. I wear gloves when using power tools that you can pick up but never on ones that are fixed pieces of equipment such as lathes, mills, bench grinders etc.
"I hate" fingers "Still in" gloves still spinning round lathes and drill presses! Thump, thump, thump, and the cry of less decimals on the digits. Hearing PPE. think twice, slow down, What? could go wrong?
Lol.. The comments are priceless 'Thanks this lets me do illegal things in my country'. Others suggest better tools or a more sturdy frying pan. Since this is for a PCP airgun.. Ever thought of buying a break barrel airgun replacement barrel ? Last time I bought one myself was for a Benjamin Trail and it was like $25 shipped. For $110 you can get a FX impact liner (sold with various twist rates) and then solder or epoxy it to one of your cheap pipes, or wrap it with Carbon fiber. Sometimes something that can be made cheaply with the tools at hand cost more in money and time than a proven product off the shelf. Good luck!
I cannot get any of them shipped to my country. This was an experiment and the barrel ended up being quite accurate, I will experiment more methods of rifling on my channel for sure.
This is good education for SHTF sitfuations.
but what you wanna do with the barrel, use it as a straw?
I love this. Thanks for sharing. All the people complaining probably can’t even hammer a nail to hang a picture on the wall
You made the whole process of machining drill bits so much easier Allen keys why haven't I thought about it
Wow…. Never knew that making of rifle barrel can be done by such limited tools. But no doubt the hard work is appreciated 🙌🏻🙌🏻
our ancestors did it in the 1600's with less. Just start.
@@davefellhoelter1343 and don’t how it came into their mind that 🤩🤩
@@HopeIsAlliGot I would imagine watching nature?
Water flow, chucking rocks, sling shots, arrows. spears?
a tip for further rifling experiments - you can grind carbide tooling at home, either slowly with corundum wheels or a bit faster with diamond tooling. You can buy blanks (will make your wallet sad) or find a machine shop that uses carbide endmills, they should have a few broken ones they might be willing to part with for little to no money
also - lathe+gloves=bad, possibly very bad injury waiting to happen
Thanks for the tips.. I have stopped using gloves while operating a lathe long ago thankfully.
I will consider your carbide tooling idea, I will test many more rifling methods on this channel.
carbide tooling will just shatter with this method, too much impact for such a brittle material
one of the best rifling jobs ive seen
thank you! I hope it will shoot as good as it looks
the width of the rifling should be greater than the width of the fields or the same, such a barrel will greatly spoil lead bullets, which means that the accuracy will be poor. I used to make a button on a lathe using a knurling with a straight tooth and a pitch of 1.2 mm, which was equal to 12 threads of 5.5 mm.
I was thinking you could start with a larger Allen wrench for the steel stock. Machine it to the standards you mentioned, for equal & flat lands & grooves, then heat & twist.
Super cool! I really liked it!😃👍
Thank you! Cheers!
A good video on what can be done with minimal tooling but I would suggest to make it easier:
1. A 7/32" allen key would have been the size you were after with less work.
2. A 7/32 hex socket would have been easier to do the twist of the allen key with.
Nice job though, good stuff.
Gloves make me uncomfortable
Yeah, while operating a lathe gloves should not be worn. I have quit that and won't be doing it again.
@@pcpairgunschannel 100% bad! very bad, not Cool to make other people recover your finger and keep on ice while the ER decides ??
I would have made the rifling cutter bit longer to prevent any possibility of wedging sideways into the tunnel. While highly unlikely, you are using impacts to drive the bit through and just a little bit of torsional momentum could theoretically cause one blade edge to really dig in and ruin your barrel. I forget the length to width ratio of what you need but it's not a lot longer than what you have. Just a thought. I think it's great even as is.
@@TheDamnSpot 👍
This was my first time rifling a barrel, and I will still try many other methods
Buen desarrollo en el estriado de su cañón al menos una idea que muchas personas desconoce lo que sin trucos falta probar la precisión ahí es donde en realidad se obtiene el resultado de su trabajo 😊😊😊😊😊
Awesome technique!
You have slightly more patience than I do and im here for it 😂
Hehe, let's see what projects I will do in the future. I am gonna try some more rifling techniques for sure.
Very innovative. Looking forward to use it in Pcp. 😀
Excelente amigo, esperamos las pruebas, nosotros podemos construir nuestras propias herramientas, ya que el button rifling se puso escaso, y costoso, hice uno de una broca de acero rapido
rip hands when the machine catches your glove
@@krauterlikor i am not gonna use gloves while operating A lathe anymore
That's really good rifling bro!
Thanks! Let's see the results.
@airsight Idol. pariho kayong magaling gumawa ng airgun. Idol ko kayong dalawa.😊
Had a .22 with a smooth bore barrell,,,power was magic and did not see any accuracy problems,,,smooth is cool dude ,?
Rifling gives better results
Молодец! Я делаю кнопку из шарикоподшипника,потом на токарнике с помощью болгарки прорезаю нарезки.И да,лучше всего проталкивать получается мощной дрелью-перфоратором.Плюс смазка машинная не годится-лучше использовать олеиновую кислоту с литол-24.Удачи в хобби!
Спасибо! Очень интересно 😮
Yep Hammer drill. Or an Air tool
Проталкивать лучше гидравлическим прессом.
@@pcpairgunschannel И да, на али и правда можно купить дорны для нарезей. Я раньше искал по запросу "rfling button" и ничего не находил, но по запросу "helical push drill" они вполне находятся.
@@andrsivohin8167 Круто. Я тоже на токарнике кнопку делаю и на нём сразу накаткой делаю канавки, накатка прямозубая с небольшим уклоном и шагом от 1 до 1,5мм в зависимости сколько нужно нарезов. Смазка на основе серы, талька и коллоидного графита и желательно канал обрабатывать тиосульфатом, как то так.
Ok brother i am waiting next part for test👍
tanks for the video super cool job !!
Glad you liked it!
Wow, you are a genius
This is a good result, I have tried it 🇮🇩🇮🇩
@@DewaSenapanIndonesia 👍👍
De l’artisanat, belles rayures 👍
The most detailed video I've actually seen on this method to date and I've watched a few of them, keep up your good work my friend.
Thank you!! 👍
And always wearing gloves on the lathe to ensure you're hands get ripped of😂
Would it not be better to start with a 6 mm Allen wrench and grind it down to what you want ?
That would work and I did try it but I didn't achieve as good precision with it. It's about skill so if you can manage to do it and keep the sides consistent in size then you can do it.
Very Nice Job !
Good result 👍
Same method in the Philippines when they make airgun barrel.
È venuta uno spettacolo bravo
Excelente👍 aporte
That was very impressive hope it tests well I have always been impressed with what a machinist can build I wish I had you skills if you lived near me in Louisiana USA I would enjoy being a friend to learn things the laws here are very favorable for hunters and sportsman but demoncracts are working hard to take that away I wish you well and if you ever want to move look this way hats off to you 👍
To make the button, you can use a drill bit as well, it's usually made of well suited HSS steel and you just have to drive it trough the barrel twice to get the necessary grooves.
Yep, there are many more methods I plan trying
наличие нарезов не делают стальную трубку стволом. при подобном способе продвижения протяжки в стволе, ствол гарантированно деформируется к тому же качество нарезов оставляет желать лучшего из-за задиров и после выхода пули из ствола полетит куда угодно кроме точки прицеливания. на мой скромный взгляд - данное видео очень абстрактно показывает как делать НЕ надо и в общих чертах знакомит с принципами создания нарезов в стволе
Воздушку нарезали. Под мелкашный. Доработанным метчиком. Ниче, приемлемо.
당신이 가공하는 강선은 유치원 수준입니다.
Awesome guessing the steel tube and bars came from Alli express.. super tek brake cleaner spray cleans out oils super quick
Excellent. Ive seen ppl break many of the cheap chinese buttons that are the only thing available in many places
Monitor my friend 👍 from Indonesia 💯👌
man, you are the true hero!
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Excelente trabajo de la estria del cañón creo que ahora le haces la recámara para el casquillo o bala y el percutor
Bravo ci voglio provare anch'io 💪💪🙋
I admire your work, but a rifling button is just about 12$ ishhh so it's not practical to waste your time make all those fuzz? Furthermore you are not even sure how accurate the results would be? If it fails, you wasted time plus the tube you ruined. So why not buy the real thing?? It cost just less than 20 bucks
@@mrkalikutista8729 I would need more than just a rifling button. Commercial rifling buttons cannot be hammered and need tons of pressure, which will end up costing me a lot more than just 12$
@@pcpairgunschannel you're wrong you can do the same hammering with the cheap commercial one. Or use a bottle type car jack to push the rod instead of hammering it. Google hammer button, it's a good button, im using that one, stay away from those cheap chinese craps.
your mind is so limited
@pcpairgunschanneive hammered commercial buttons on ebay.. l
@@mrkalikutista8729 - Fun. You can also buy the stuff already finished.
- Unavailability due to local regulations.
Excelente 👌👍
so quality air gun with mechanism,only change barrel and have 22LR?Am i right?Can you give advice of some good cheap air gun?Thanx
😮woww its great work again idol.
cool work lad
thanks man
Big fan could I try out a raw barrel like this one?
La idea es lo que hace evolucionar el ser humano, y que no se acostumbre a depender de lo que esta hecho sino a elaborar sus propias herramientas..Si las ideas no se hacen no sirven. Mi padre me lo decia..
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Do you make the tube yourself or is that a china made (aliexpress/temu/ect) hydraulic tube? Or from somewhere else?
@@3dp_edc Yes its from AliExpress
На моменте работы в перчатках на санке - всё стало понятно...
Excellent idea, thank you for sharing! : )
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Devamı nı bekliyoruz farklı yöntemleri
Evet lütfen sabırlı olun 😀
Awesome stuff! One question, should it have a chamfer where the projectile leaves the barrel? I've never tried to make something of this sort, but was taught not to ruin the sharp edge on the end of the barrel of my 6.5x55 mm rifle.
Yes, it should be chamfered. It's called "barrel crowning", in the video I did that with high grit sandpaper and an 8mm steel ball, after chamfering the end with a drill bit. That might not sound very precise, but it actually leaves a very fine finish. Some rifle barrels might have different designs, others may have sharp precise non-chamfered ends while others have a deep chamfer. Search "barrel crowning" on Google and check the images, you'll see many different designs.
Also, in my case this will not be used for a firearm, but for a PCP air gun.
@@pcpairgunschannel ah, I see, cool! Awesome to learn new things!
Nice👍👍
Почему бы не чистить почти готовый ствол нормальным оружейным шомполом со сменными патчами, а не пихать внутрь бумагу стальным стержнем, чтобы не повредить нарезы?
Это сработало бы, но идея заключалась в том, чтобы просто избавиться от грязи и масла
@@pcpairgunschannel OK, я просто поинтересовался
Innovative!- but you can't 'upset' carbon steel on the back of an old frying pan. get a piece of railway track or a truck flywheel. Im off to watch some more of your videos. Ive had airguns for 50 years - and never learned so much. thanks
@@t.h.o.r. Thanks 🙏
Is it necessary the water to contain salt for the heat treatment to get the steel hardened?
If its not hardened the button will deform and not cut so well. You can also dip it in oil but you need to temper it so its not too brittle
@@pcpairgunschannel I asked you, if the water for the heat treatment is necessary to be salt water. Is it?
@@Mazarakis_Spyridon Yes, it won't work with just water.
Edit: it actually will work, but won't be nearly as effective.
@@pcpairgunschannel Thank you!
blöd dass aliexpress das teil für paar euro verkauft... wirklich doufie
How Dana says:"Its ******* unlegal...😂
Really amazing. But why do you beat and knock over it after heating it?
because it was only 5.55mm in diameter, that's not enough for rifling. I increased the diameter by doing that, it ended up being 5.62mm
@@pcpairgunschannel 😁😁😁Great, I thought that was likely, but I wanted to make sure.....but did you know why I wanted an Arabic translation? So that I can understand and follow what you are saying. Greetings
@@pcpairgunschannel Весьма оригинально и главное просто. при наличии расширенного разнообразия оборудования есть возможность делать нарезы более технологичней и точнее. я нарезал нарезы спецрезцом изготовленным из шестиперьевой развертки, ленточка режущей части шлифовалась до необходимого размера и длина этой ленты оставлялась на 1.5мм.это и являлось шириной нарезного канала. станок токарный с автоматической подачей суппорта. есть и ускоренная подача, ствол зажимается в патроне. ставятся малые обороты, из ствола выходит приваренная оправка к резаку из развертки. она зажимается в резцодержатель. патрон вращается ничего не происходит и тут включается подача ускоренная вправо. равномерно вытягивает оправку с резцом . при этом выходит и стружка. так как заточка режет металл в стволе. происходит именно нарезка каналов. ваш метод конечно более простой и многим доступнее, но он продавливает каналы. свинцовая пуля мягкая и принимает размер ствола. и даже по вашему методу пуле легче идти по каналам продавленным, они ведь гладкие без всяких там мельчайших зазубрин. ваш метод считаю оптимальным для самодельщиков......удачи вам и желаю быть осторожным с законами.
@@ЕленаТурлова-п7ж 👍👍
Really good Works Bro. Gratulation. Best Regards from Germany.
Much appreciated!
I really can't understand how it can twist on its own without having something attached that turns it, and in the end you bang it in, and I don't understand, even though it is SLIGHTLY twisted, how you can make the barrel rifled just by banging it in, it doesn't make sense for myself
The twist of the button forces it to twist around
It's the same as a screw into wood
Sería bueno verlo en accion
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How did you get the perfect twist in the rifling. ?
since the allen key is twisted slightly, just like a screw it twists itself in the barrel. I will still experiment many more rifling techniques and see what produces the best rifling
@@pcpairgunschannel Thank you.
Nice video. Why do you put salt in your quenching water?
@@LuluBear974 cools down the Steel faster, making it harder
Oil also works
@pcpairgunschannel At sea level plain pure water boil at 100°C and works just fine. This is why I don't understand the salt part. At sea level, saturated sodium chlorine brine has a boiling point of 108.7°C, and contains 28.41% NaCl... that isn't a big difference enough to justify salt use. Moreover oil also works even though it boils between 200 and 300°C and the higher the quenching temperature the lesser the hardening but still is ok. Do you put your brine in the freezer or use ice cubes to lower brine temperature below 0°C ?
@@LuluBear974 you are right that pure water works too.
However its not about the boiling point only but also the thermal conductivity and the density. Salt water is denser and has better thermal conductivity
@@pcpairgunschannel 👍
Where did you get the steel tube? Great video
@@CarpinteroJesus Hi, there is a link in the description if you want to buy
How do you calculate what is the best twist rate?
i don't know about what is the best twist rate, but 1:18 is a standard most 22 cal PCPs use. This is probably just a tiny bit higher than that, but not to the point where it would not function well.
@@pcpairgunschannel 1 in 18 that is interesting, I think Whitworths rifle was 1 in 20, whereas modern rifles are 1 in 7 to 1 in 12. Projectile weight makes a difference too.
@@grahamthebaronhesketh. yup.
This is mainly for air guns tho. They need A lower twist rate to avoid overstabilization.
I tried using another method to make a rifling button, but it didnt end well. Got 1:6 twist rate and very thin grooves. I will upload the video on that technique just to share it but i will try that method again and fix my mistakes
Amigo esta llave allen en realidad se deja templar para hacer el estriado ?
¿Cómo lo usarías para moletear?
Lo siento no habla español
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You can't just buy a rifling button anywhere in the world. Some countries have stricter gun laws.
yep
С меня 6 минут хватило,смотреть на это.
Eu queria ver o resultado desce engenhoca😂 se ficou bom ou não 😅
Isn't the button supposed to be sharp to cut the rifling?
No metal cutting tool needs to be sharp like a kitchen knife, rifling buttons dont need sharp edges
I love it...can i have one for my pcp
Sorry, I cannot ship it
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Молодец
Have you got the family list ❤❤❤
Why not just use a spiral honing jig like gunsmiths used in the 18th and early 19th centuries before the industrial revolution brought mills?
There are many different methods I will experiment. This is a super easy and quick way
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Gunakan steel wool bro,agar lebih bersih
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hasil kerja yang baik,selepas ni tolong buat cetakan peluru..
Hey sir, how do I even make a barrel if it's so specific for 7.62mm?
@@arielsgood4972 you can buy precision tubes
Top 10
can't stop the signal..
In 11 Stunden seit ihr in Moskau, Prigoschin wurde auch nicht aufgehalten.
donde consiguió ese tubo para un 5.5 estimado.
AliExpress. Enlace en la descripción
Рукавиці на патрон йому, я бачу, ще поки ні разу не намотувало. 😅
Чистота поверхности плохая. Взял бы покупной китайский дорн.
Debio poner un paño o una madera para que las limaduras no caigan sobre las guias del torno ya que pueden perjudicarlas😮
Es cierto que mientras lijaba debería haberlo hecho.
I don't get how the tool twists as it goes? Maybe I missed something?
the principle is similar to a screw, a screw is rotated and it makes force to push it in. In this it's reversed, you put force on it and it twists because the button has a slight twist, allowing it to rotate as forced down the tube.
That's why he heated it up and Twisted it a lil like a screw
Sir is long valve better than short valve?
No difference, they are just different designs.
На видео ствол выглядит неплохо, но хотелось бы знать что за сталь и хорошо бы увидеть отстрел с этих стволов метров на 50 для начала. Благодарю.
What kind of barrel you use?
its a blank steel tube, link in description