Ford 7.3L Godzilla Engine Dyno Results, Teardown & Comparison to Coyote & 351 Windsor Part 2
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- We compare the size of the new 7.3L Godzilla push-rod engine to a Coyote and a Windsor Ford and then begin to take apart the 7.3L to show you what's inside. Please don't forget to subscribe so you won't miss more videos on the 7.3L and other projects we're working on. If you missed us fitting the 7.3L in a Foxbody, you can click the link to see that video: • Ford 7.3L "Godzilla" V...
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Wow this answers almost all fitment questions I had but would have loved to see the 460 in the comparison as well.
Wow, y’all boys take time to show us this! Plus, what?! Take a brand new engine out of brand new truck?! Good. I like what you said, “really nice right from the factory.” That’s the way everything should be! Made good.
Thanks for educating all the people calling it a big block. Oh yeah,all you LS guys, Godzilla's coming for you.🤘😎👍
Now let’s see one of these with some 13:1 domes and a BIG solid roller!
i heard this is a poppet valved loop charged 2 stroke! It runs dry sump with 2 VRO pumps and must use low ash synthetic 2 stroke oil i heard. Ford puled of ther 2 stroke marvel again! yes keep this 2 stroke going.
Evan, you are the man!!! I love seeing two Ford Legends together... I could listen to you and Brian all day.... You are leading the way in the 7.3 arena!! I can see 700hp from this engine without trying hard
Thank you very much.
I'd say 800 with heads, cam, intake, headers, and a good port job.
@@ForcedfedFords I believe you are right... 445 CI + heads that will probably flow 400cfm with the right cam and compression 800 is definitely in the line of sight! I am curious to see how much stroke that block will take!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Ported stock heads will outflow all but the best BBF 385 series heads, cams are cams, as long as they keep the roller rate lobes we should see normal lifts of 0.685 and much more for pure race application and solid lifters. We know a 4.25 stroke will fit in a 9.5 deck windsor. Supposedly this motor has more room in the bottom end to clear the cam tunnel and a taller deck height. 9.65 I think. Should be good for a 4.5 stroke, but at minimum a 4.40. If you take the stock bore (4.22) and roll 0.080 over pistons, and get a 4.40 crank. You're look at 512 cubes from a small block.
That being said, we should see 650 to the tire pretty easily in the next year naturally aspirated if street daily driveable service conditions. For all out race itll be over 1khp.
Supposedly Procharger already has an F1-X hanging off the front end of one making 1300 on the stock motor with just upgraded injectors.
My ford 2 stroke is a:ua-cam.com/video/iyJi_n3P0og/v-deo.html
Ford has made the perfect engine!
Ford guys are in a league of their own. I didn't see anyone tearing into Chevy's new 6.6 as soon as it left the showroom. (Maybe I missed it, don't pay much attention to Chevy)
It looks almost exsactly like the new LT based Chevy engines. And it has a lot more cubic inches. I’m a Chevy guy and worked on all the new Chevy stuff and this thing looks like it’s gona far exceed the new 6.2-6.6 engines
This is literally a big gen 3 ls engine...
Ron Cook actually by watching the teardown it seems to be a lot closer to the gen 5 LT motors.
@@cfltitan minus the port fuel injection. It has elements of both
Ron Cook yeah they have a lot of similarities. They're different enough though that pretty much nothing is interchangeable though.
What a beautifull design. This thing is going to rock for a very long time.
Can't wait for a wrecked truck to snag one of these bad boys for my hi-boy.
I think you’re going to see a drop in the purchase of Powerstrokes with the advent of this motor! I think I’ll wait a couple of years until they make a few more improvements and my next F250 will be the 7.3 gas motor.
Kevin Murphy they’re a $10k motor with all sorts of expensive things to replace and still not getting the MPGs that the Cummins is getting. I know you can delete the emissions, but that’s just more money thrown at it as well.
I would have bought the 7.3 in my tremor but I didn't want to take a chance on an all new engine
I don’t know about that. It’s worth the 10k for the reliability of a turbo diesel and better fuel consumption. I’d love a 7.3 truck myself but if I was to spend ignorant amounts of money on a work truck it would be diesel powered.
Zach Long The 6.7 does get pretty good fuel economy but I would have to say I wouldn’t buy a Ford diesel until it has a Cummins. Say what you will. Ford has the best interior, exterior and now has a really good transmission, but I haven’t been too impressed with any of their motors for reliability since the 7.3. With that said, the 6.7 does produce really impressive HP/Torque numbers. As always, everyone each their own...
I’m in total agreement with you
This 7.3L needs to go into my Crown Vic!!
How about a 55 crown vic resto mod?
7.3L + Whipple + Crown Vic = Awesome
Very exciting engine design. Can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Gentlemen, I think we have a Contender.
It's about time.
@@ForcedfedFords This is how I see it.
For many years now the Chevy LS has been kicking sand in our face because it is strong and makes excellent power cheaply. With the 7.3 we now have a strong answer to even the LS7.
I just hope the first 20000 or so of the trucks equipped with the 7.3 are driven by blind idiots so they end up in the wrecking yard soon. I want this engine.
@@johnparrish9215 this thing will need the aftermarket support to get it into LS territory. As a LS guy its nice to see Ford simplify the package. Those ugly oversized mod motors were like fat chicks in spandex. Not great to look at and swaps into other vehicles cost more than the ls platform.
@@Turbochapman I agree completely, however Ford has given us a lot to work with this time. A stout bottom end with a forged crank, an intake that looks to be a good starting point, reverse dome pistons that look far better than what I hoped for, and "Finally" a good set of heads.
The only questions I have at this point is:
How good are the connecting rods
Can I trust that strange oil pump, I'm hoping Melling will have a replacement or I'll do Dry Sump.
@@johnparrish9215 I thought the same until he took out the headgasket and saw the open deck block.
@@MastersOfMask I'm not worried about that, the import guys have been dealing with that for many years. It's just something we are not used to seeing.
Man this engine will start a new wave in big V8s, I own a car powered by a 6.0 LS with LS3 heads and jus love it, but this new Ford engine will be a game changer, beautifully engineered cast iron block with 6 bolt mains, over 4 1/2 inch bore centers, steel crank, 60mm cam core, 320+cfm Canted Valve heads that incorporate direct chamber injection also 2.17"x1.67" valves with a sturdy but lite Rocker system, straight out the factory this engine has alot of potential to make power, I can see Jon Kaase letting loose on one of these bad boys, 👍👌💪😁
That's a work of art! I want one in my 67 bronco! It would be like a diamond in a nice little 4wd box!
Yeah, I figured that about 2 weeks after Ford put this engine on sale, somebody would begin hot-rodding it. Is there an unfortunate F250 at a Ford dealer somewhere missing an engine? :)
This engine actually sounds like a classic big block.
Right. I was waiting to hear it beat the 440 Hemi but was really disappointed to see it didn't
@@Casper23srt8 This is the video I was referring to. The exhaust really sounds like a classic V8.
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Yes, completely agree. I was really disappointing at first, with the push rods, two valve and narrow angles and such. But then I listened to the rest of Ford's pitch, going for heavy duty/commercial; low end torque, very tough, reliable and cheap & easy to maintain. Put in a new cam, re-flash the ecu, put in a K&N intake and you have an huge power boost for low $$.
@@Casper23srt8 Would be impossible to beat the "440 Hemi"... ...they never made a 440 Hemi.
knight0334. Lol, I picked up on that to🤣.
I'm so happy they are making push rod v8s again!
I am glad to hear that so many of the stock parts are really good, this should make (reasonable) power mods easy, safe, and cheap for diy-ers.
Been talking about the motor, then suddenly, "yeah we stuck this cool looking intake on it and cammed it. Oh it makes just over 600hp."
@@mewrongway bet
@@mewrongway with just intake and cam? Yeah no. Shut up
@@billyray4716 mewrongway is a troll account. He only posts on ford motor videos.
@@mewrongway You have a handful of crappy videos, none of which are of an LS motor or even a car for that matter. You also post on every small block ford video on UA-cam. Clearly, you have nothing better to do.
@@mewrongway Cheesy family videos? You mean like watching baby parakeets? You seriously think anyone wants to see that? Did you record it with a Nokia?
I don't post on every LS video, the only one I know you from is where you were running your mouth about modular motors only to be educated on Accufab and John Mihovetz which AGAIN, you kept backpedaling after coming to the realization he went faster with an OEM block, crank, and heads than any LS motor has ever been with aftermarket everything. In your dreams did Hennessey go 308. No one has currently been faster than Bugatti's 304 mph.
Secondly, M2K Motorsports has already been faster with a 5.4 modular motor in a standing mile than the best LS powered car has ever done. Again, with a factory Ford block and heads.
Since you don't run a car and just run your mouth, sounds like the LS motor is actually the perfect fit for you.
Coming from a Chevy/LS fanboy, I WANT ONE!
You want an open deck block?
Looking at the cut away on a different video it looks like ford stole the keys to chevys development department and copied a lot from the ls platform
@@MastersOfMask
There's plenty of metal in that block, and the engine comes from factory with iron sleeves.
I'm not looking to make 2000hp dude. A modern well designed big block that can make 800hp easy as pie with a blower is more than enough.
I'm just curious as to how much they'll cost.
Being a Chevy guy go pick up one of their 8.1's and do it up.
You guys have been busy! Brian is all over this thing, awesome!!
I was just thinking that roller fulcrum solid tip rockers would be sweet, and here they are..!
600 ponies....nice!
Ford is continuing to push the limits, very welcoming 👍
These days it had better make 600 from a 7.3L displacement, either that or an insane amount or torque. Not so much impressive as it is expected.
What horsepower was the 8.1L making when it was introduced? I honestly can't remember anymore. I always thought it would be tough to top that. I waited and waited for Ford to bring some competition there but they stuck with mod motors....till now. Hopefully this a fun first step of many to lay ahead.
Traditional simple pushrod v8 with modern attributes that make em efficient and powerful.
Pretty cool.
I just picked my 2021 Super Cab Super Duty up last week with a 430 Gear Ratio rear end up last week with this 7.3 in it and WOW it will put in the seat for a dead stop till 100 MPH I love it!! Can't wait to toll my TT with it (:
Nice video for size comparison so people can see what they can put these engines in. Great video!
This is the type of engine to treat almost as a poster of a hot model, it’s to expensive for you to have, but you love it anyway
Finally! Thank you! I've literally been waiting years for this.
You're welcome.
Awesome video - 600 hp in a mostly stock engine = long term durability. I really enjoyed this it has helped in my search for an engine for a sleeper Crown Vic build.
Looks like a nice engine, definitely curious 🏁
No LS here. A dream come true. Keep up the development Thank you guys.
Right but you couldn't have a more similar engine to an ls lol. That's why I love it
@@roncook8566 well, the ls engine is a 351/ 4.6 mod motor copy itself, sooooo
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Look up the Cadillac 472-500. It has as many similarities to that ancient engine as it does the sbf. But if you have blind loyalty to one brand you can't see these things
@@roncook8566 in no ford fanboy. I'm Mopar. I just know facts and copied engine designs when I see them.
@@mewrongway false! fiat built the first hemi head.
Most exciting engine build I've seen in a long time! I can't believe you have done this much work to one already. Subscribed for future news!
Thank you
What a beautiful mill to look at! I think Ford built this for long term durability and plenty of low down torque for a gas motor. Great video.
My guess is that the very tall springs are part of Ford's longevity goal for this engine. Keeping the springs further from coil bind, or bending the spring less each valve cycle, would help the spring last longer.
Which brings up this question: What are some typical valve spring lives for various engines? I've never given valve spring life a second thought, but there must come a point when they weaken significantly>
Step aside LS there's a new sheriff in town!
HAHAHAH
@@baby-sharkgto4902 You Sir are Correct!!
This will unfortunately be fairly low production only being in the superduty trucks.. part of the allure of the LS is the same as gen 1 SBC, huge production numbers.
Not even close, under 600 horse on a cam swap, head work and intake on that big motor? lol you can get that power from the same mods to a 6.0-6.2 LS and spend thousands and thousands less
@@Doc8224 but will your LS go to 500" in a stock block?
Great to see real stuff & new to everyone pretty cool . Thanks & keep them videos. :)
Ford said it was built for durability.It is easy to see Ford also designed it for performance upgrades.Ports have minimum curves,canted valves(as mentioned) and beefy block.With the intake ports extended it would be easy to modify them in height and mating surface angle.Plenty of room for injectors to be fitted on intake port runner projectios.
Great stuff fellas !!
Thanks
One of the best videos ever! Can’t wait for the next one!
You should get one for your next project!
KC2101 when they become available!
Thank you.
Great video guys! Thank you!
Really liked the video - contained lots of information
Cant wait to buy one
I would be impressed if the engine spun above 7000 rpm. Coyote is still KING! Waiting to see what engine builders will do with the "Werewolf" cast iron block.
@@bigboreracing356 Pretty good for a truck engine. Cam in block is a giant leap back wards as far as a race engine is concerned.
definitely make more TQ than a coyote
Great video. This is would be a great engine for any hot rod as well. The Hemi, LS, and 7.3 all show plenty of potential now and in the future. As the products and services become more available. the performance will l increase as well. This would be a great engine for a '32 Ford Roadster Highboy!!!! With a T-56. I can't wait to see what the future holds. Thanks for sharing.
If I ever do an engine swap this is the one!
God i cant wait to see the new 7.3l supercharged or turbo
what's the stock compression? how big was the cam swapped in?
Excellent video!
Stroker kits + overbore would make this engine purely insane.. I really hope there’s a lot of aftermarket in the short future
Nice to hear some basic tech specs on the engine. It makes for some interesting comparisons to other engines. The 4.53 bore spacing puts it smaller than the Ford FE, Pontiac, and Olds V8's, which were right around 4.625. The original Caddy OHV and Chrysler Early Hemis were 4.56. Small block Chevies and LS's are 4.40. The new 7.3 has a 4.22" bore, and won't have much room to grow beyond a 4.25 bore. Max intake valve size should be about 2.25, which was a common size for big block Chevies of the classic era.
Don't forget the Gen 3 Hemi at 4.46 Bore Space, which did win X 275 today at Bradenton, which is considered a small block.
A 4.22" bore, with a just under 4" stroke?? So, Ford took the Pistons of the old FE 427 and mated them with the crank from the 428? (Giggles to himself "took them long enough")
BEAST MODE! I've gotta get my paws on one of these!
BIG $$$$$$$ Great Engines without a doubt..Ford, Mopar and GM they all have great engines but i think the big question here is for the average DIY is. Which engine is easier to work on and makes the most power for the money invested into it?
@@Mfil This Godzilla engine is definitely a big boy and should out power your average 5.3 ls on displacement alone. Hopefully they are relatively affordable once they start hitting the junkyards in wrecked trucks. I'm into 60s Ford's with the big shock towers. It's really hard to fit a Coyote in those older Ford's. This 7.3 should be just the ticket. I'm hoping for aftermarket carbureted intakes.
Like i stated a great engine. My thoughts are that besides the cost which i believe that it would be quite a bit (Even if you're fortunate enough to find one of these in the junk yard it is going to cost BIG $ for that engine) and then there's another cost to install it. Did you see the amount of hacking and extra parts needed that has to be bought and done to a FOX body just to installed one of these? The bottom line is..All it takes is Money!
Brand new subscriber, ThisOldTony pointed me here. I'm dying guys, Ford is killing me! I'm old so it's been FE's & 385's for me but what the hell is this now, a small block 7.3 liter? I'm in heaven! 600hp!
The want is strong on this one. These are great videos!
This is my kind of shop
Love this
How can this video have 8 thumbs down??? This video is cutting edge for Ford fans
What an awesome engine! Looks like there are bosses for direct cylinder injectors cast in too. Maybe they will sneak this into some non-HD applications oh yeah!
Wow almost 600hp let's see some boost thrown at it .
boosted saleen twin turbo lets go...
Or even a good cam, headers and a hi rise intake
@@RadDadisRad I think he said it had a bigger cam and then he shows the intake at the end of the video. I think he said ported heads too.
@@baby-sharkgto4902 "A small cam", cleaned up flash, and a ridiculous intake
600 at 6400
It's such a large displacement that it would pair well with mild turbocharging. Barely any lag on 8 or so psi and make plenty of power everywhere in the rev range.
You shouldn't get any lag on a stock 4.6 or 5.0 with 8lbs either. That's not shit for boost.
Lag is dependent on load vs. Exhaust heat and airflow/turbine size and pitch. It doesn't have anything to do with displacement. When talking boost it is just a reference number if you don't know exactly what the cfm per psi is. But saying how much boost you're running or can run sounds cool.
@@waynebollentin989 shit. You shove 15 or 20 pounds in a stock motor and see how long it will last
clyde shelton the point he is trying to make is boost pressure is a measure of resistance, it not the best way to judge over all power.
Edit- i could put a restriction in the port, raise the manifold pressure and safety run higher manifold pressures on a stock engine. I will take the pepsi challenge
clyde shelton theres literally endless engine platforms that handle 20psi for years on stock bottom end and heads. This isnt the 70s
That intake is a beauty!
With the integrated injectors in the head, you could easily run ITBs too....
you know when you say the word "DYNO" we like to hear and see rhe pulls!
Coming up, and noted. Thanks for watching.
Thats a bad ass motor ford built right there.
What we really wanna see is the Dyno Footage!
Impressive numbers for minimal work.
Stay tuned...
Dyno videos are boring to watch, unless the engine ejects parts...
@@andyharman3022 Someone isnt really a car guy
No, more like I have had about 10000 hours experience testing engines on dynamometers in my career and have found it is hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror. What I really strive for is to monitor the data to detect a deteriorating condition before the engine ejects parts.
I love how overbuilt this thing is.
this will be insane
I'd like to see this as an option on the F150.
That would be cool, but it will never happen. Ford is opting for less cyclinders with forced induction over V8 in F150. The Coyote is even being slowly phased out. I heard the V8 option in F150 will drop from 5.0 to 4.8L V8 for 2021.
He's right, they're even thinking of a 3 banger mustang. Unreal
@@chrism.728 Its sad. Under no circumstance will I ever own a pickup truck with a V6. I don't care what numbers it puts out. But that's just me. My 2013 F 150 4x4 STX V8 has 220,000 miles and still getting it done. When she blows I will replace it and keep riding.
@@chrism.728 HULK LIKE 5.0! HULK WILL SMASH 4.8!
Lightning...
I see a ford lightning with this motor in it. In the future from ford!!!
@@KeithSchwerin exactly what I was going to say!
The perfect swap for a fox/ sn95 5.0 has been created.
I want this sitting in my engine bay already lol.
Unkle t0m lol, the coyote is all over this RV motor
If your a drag racer, or hotrodder this engine should have you very excited!
a very informative video !!! well done Brian you know your stuff !!
Thank you.
Thanks
@@brianwolfe2993 you're the man! You really made Ford awesome again over the years. Do you think Kaase will get his hands on this 7.3?
I love mod motors but they are the same size externally as a 460 .
Looking at the design it seems all the tricks guys used over the years on the Windsor made it into the design of this engine. Don't get me wrong as the mod motors have a place in my heart but after working for GM I prefer to work on push rod engines as they are just easier.
Think mod motors are bigger than a 460 lol. Stupid big, but worth it in a sport car or boosted application
@@sategllib2191 yeah the heads seem to flow only when air is forced through them. There is a fair amount of potential in a old mod but to unleash it you better have deep pockets or a whole bunch of tools. I mean even the 4.6 2v is pretty good for a 281 . The right cam , some boost and a tune and your 400+ at like 380 ftlbs .
Very knowledgeable....thank you
You're welcome!
Great job man 👍
Thanks
Look at the lifter cups too like the ls and hemi, makes a cam swap alot easier
320 cfm on the intake and maybe 375 - 400 cfm after a full professional porting.
I bet 400cfm is doable!!!
So she could make some monster power then?
LS3 HEADS CAN DO THAT.
@@clay3865 so can 5.0 coyote heads.
@@jrod264winmag So why are they choking down that big motor with such low flowing heads?
Need one for my 63 Falcon hardtop!
Damn. That thing is like a beastly LT based engine. With plenty of CUbic inches. It’s gona perform like a monster with some boost.
@@mewrongway That's what Ford said when GM copied Ford's "Y" block design with cross bolted mains.
Is it set up for direct injection? Looks like there are castings in place?
What kind of pistons are in it ? Forged ?
4:57 Shot of a combustion chamber. Really nice as-cast surface finish. Must be a permanent mold casting.
I can't wait to see what these do with boost
I’d love to see this as a CARB swap kit from Ford Racing.
Leland Holton coyote is all over that pile of shit
Evan, I have 2 quick questions...1) how much compression does it have?
2) what firing order does this engine have?
10.5:1, 1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2
Definitely looks like a Strong block design. Along with the added cubes I’d say it has a lot more potential than a Coyote, especially if you consider low end Tourqe.
The ageless one Brian Wolfe!! The Master!! Great job REVan Evan!!
Thank you Ricardo.
Thank you, you are too kind.
Brian Wolfe Sir you are one of my Heroes!! Thanks for all the insight and your knowledge!! God Bless!!❤️
Wow, people are already hot roding these things. I will say this, what the Coyote does with DOHC 4 valves, and 7000+rpm godzilla does with good, old fashioned cubic inches.
I'm probably going to get hate for this, but I think I still prefer a Voodoo for performance applications. There's just something about a super-high revving V8 scream that I can't get over. I'd definitely throw it in my truck, though. An '01 Dakota RWD with this monster would be more than slightly terrifying.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 I wish Ford would release the voodoo crank for the Coyote or a whole engine. The pretty weak excuse I've heard for why they don't is vibration issues - like that matters in a race car or the aftermarket couldn't figure out how to solve that in a street car. I think Ford just wants to keep the GT350 flat plane "exclusive".
Griffin Faulkner nascar has had high revving v8s for 40 years. You don’t need flame plane cranks and over head cams for that.
@@ahack14 That's a specially-built, extremely expensive motor that's pushed to the absolute extremes of material science, and needs to he torn down and rebuilt after every race. For the cost of one of those engines, I could find a wrecked E92 M3, pull the motor, and have more than enough money left over to literally build a car around it.
@@ahack14 Bit of apples to oranges as NASCAR is a rather extreme example with engines that have a relatively short service life. I was referring to the average hot roder or racer.
Very cool Evan! Do you happen to have any weight comparisons between the various engines you discussed in this video?
Thanks and we're working on it.
Great sense of humor
Uncle Tony sent us... he sends regards. Looks like it might be time to trade in my 6.7!
I need one for my truck 😬😬
Agreed. Already considering it if my 6.2 ever blows up
I can DEFINITELY see them going into Torino's & Galaxies!
Nah, Torinos and Galaxies should stick to the 460s and 462s
Great video
Thank you
Looks a lot like Ls 3 head chambers and the block and lifter placement is Ls. Some what of a large copy.The 351c and boss 302 heads and 385 engines were canted valve like the mk4 big block Chevy heads. Good job Ford!
Who remembers the old 7.5 460 ford discontinued
Or the old 8.1L GM discontinued....
The 460 is still 1 serious contender !
This would be great in my Nova SS!!!!
Have you lost your mind????
Bryan Creech possibly, but I would love it!
You want to sell the the nova ? Before you make the change ? It is not right to put a ford engine in a nova !!! You must be sick!!!
Bryan Creech
I guess it’s safe to say that you probably don’t like the narrowed Ford 9” rear in my previous Nova either?
Lol. Maybe, someday, you’ll grow up and buy a Ford.
No can do it 😉.I like the 12 bolt better it lighter than the Ford . Take less power to turn!
Those ports are _"giant"!_
Think of almost _anything_ old-school, Chevy sm/lg block, even Ford's FE Tunnel Ports or High Riser & most aftermarket's today! 7.3's have _huge_ potential stock!
Out of the box equal to a 20,000.00 FE! How cool is that.. me wants..
What are your thoughts on a supercharger for the 7.3?
stylac do you have some hp numbers for that? checked the link but nothing is stated
@@boyteebah3794
Looks like it's preproduction but if you try to ballpark the numbers on the back of a napkin, I think it's realistic to expect a number that's close to 1000 horsepower--- assuming the bottom end can handle it.
Even if it needs upgraded rods, it's going to be a heck of a lot easier to upgrade than a DOHC alternative.
there are quite a few Mustangs with more than a 1000 hp running the stock 10 speed with some shift tuning and a convertor . Obviously the weight in a truck and the amount of torque the 7.3 makes will really determine that but the 10 speeds are stout .