I read somewhere that the Ford designer of this engine is a drag racer and knew this motor would make its way into the hotrod scene. Also it will help Ford take away from the LS base and its about time. Lovin it !!!!!!!
It probably won't poach a lot of LS users until Ford makes an aluminum block version. Of course, the stock iron block will be great for boosted drag race applications...
😂🤣 yeah. No. It's for sizing. The 5.0 coyote makes 460hp/420lbs of torque on a mustang tune. If this thing wasn't gonna be enormous, an ohc version would easily be 500hp out of the box
PureCountryof91 It’s not just sizing. It was also simplicity, low end power and longevity under load. This was always intended to be a commercial truck engine. But let’s just appreciate that we get more Ford engines to play with
The 7.3 stuff is 🔥🔥 1800 HP.... unbelievable we're talking these numbers and the crank is a definitely a chunk of badass! This man does a great job at explaining the features... You've surrounded yourself with a lot of knowledge E 👍
Yeah, with a nice choppy sounding big mutha thumper camshaft and some 2 inch primary headers. Bet it will sound like a monster! Nothing sounds as badass as a big cube motor with a long duration and a tight lsa cam running thru some quality big thick tube headers and a set of 3 inch in/out flowmaster 10's !! Man!! I can almost hear it now rumbling from under the hood of my black metal flake 65 mustang fastback with 15x10
Since both the 7.3 and 6.2 share the same bore spacing of 4.53" we are looking to put the 7.3 crank in a 6.2 SOHC! According to Brian the main and rod journals are the same size... So it's party time!! Thanks Again for such awesome Vids...
I'll keep my old 460 thanks, it's been on the road since 1983 and has 480,000 miles on it and still runs like a champ. Not dissing the the 7.3 or anything, its a great looking engine. Might be a fun swap later on.
Going to be putting in my order for a 7.3 F350 in early fall. The more technical detail I see around this engine the more excited I get. Thank you for these videos. Very informative and well done. 👍
I'm a pretty DieHard LS guy. But I can't deny the fact Ford has really been stepping their game up since the coyote. And this engine has me excited especially that it's a push rod. Way to go Ford.
Yes Ford has some really great engine packages.The Coyote is a monster,mid 9 second performance with low boost.Personally speaking I would advise builders to turn down the power if the car or truck is going to be driven on the street.The big HP numbers work best on the racetrack.
It's not mentioned, but the crankshaft laser hardened, superior to induction, developed by Ford and and an industry first. The first engines crank is a prototype, as it's discolored from furnace tempering.
@@andyharman3022 Sorry, but in the 70's and 80's a 6kW laser did not exist to the public, and the military didn't even have them. You are likely confusing this with induction hardening, which largely replaced conventional heat treatment.
@@mikekopmanis2099 Didn't need 6kW to do laser hardening of cams. The laser was pulsed to heat a spot about .030" diameter, then turned off to allow the heated spot to mass quench, thereby making the martensitic transformation for hardness. If you would look at a production cam from that era, you would see the raster pattern of hardened spots. Not likely that I'm confusing it with induction hardening, as I wrote my engineering thesis on contour induction hardening.
This could be an interesting series, except instead of all the commonly rodded out motors that there are a billion videos on, it would be interesting to see some of the new half ton diesels and everyday ecoboosts etc. all pulled apart. No one breaks down the engineering in some of the most common engines like this. I particularly find it fascinating.
Only thing I’m not crazy about is water pump bolts going thru front cover but I suppose if your a die hard ford guy you’ve about got all the gasket timing down. Can’t wait to see what a cam will do. The intake and exhaust manifolds already look good so I doubt theirs gobs of power to gained but still exciting to see these vids! Keep it up
This engine is using all the good designs of the past, the full skirt block of the FE and Y block, the cantered valves of the Cleveland and 429/460 and the timing cover a bit like a Windsor, just hope it has the firing order of the old Y block to get that sound. Also with the chain driven oil pump there must be a way to drive a external oil pump to lower the oil pan for engine swaps/racing
Fractured rods are awesome. In caterpillar land we have been using them for ever. Although all the bolts we use are torque to yield. I dunno about this ford rod but it’s something to keep in mind if guys are going through there oem rotating group to balance it or whatever they may need to change the rod bolts. Maybe they will make an arp bolt or something. Please put some pistons and rods in this engine and a 102 on it and a little methanol lol.
R.E. ………..great job , Im old so tell Ford enginners to send 6,, 7.3 s to Kasse and the Gliddens and big check for both and get out the way so they can make POWER !!!!!!!!!!!
I like how people point out Kasse and Glidden as great Ford engine builders (they are) but nobody gets more power per CI NA than the Engine builders in NASCAR 358 CI 850HP on 99 octane unleaded is pretty stout. Plus they run for 500 miles not 8 sec.
Tilt it upside down and run oil injection. My OMC Johnson v8 2 stroke can do this and im sure this 7.3 can. im getting some ford v8's from a junkyard for my dry sump oil injected 2 stroke oil experiment. I will be using Motul 800 2t for my experiment. i cant wait to try this and will it survive? lets see?
Evan you’re doing great man, usually you’re covering the newer and some of the one off stuff. I go to Uncle Tony for the older stuff. I remember you driving The Fridge when that was new, I still have my Lightning.
I've been waiting over a year for this engine release and foxbody swap kits to become available. I have a 93 2.3L notchback that I will be doing this swap to. Very excited for this 7.3L.
I've also got a clean built 90 coupe with a 393 F4TE, I intend to pull and swap for for the 7.3 as they become readily available. The 393 will eventually go into a 53 F100
Will be interesting to see what this costs as a crate engine. Hopefully they start to show up for sale out of recked trucks for a better price that coyotes. An engine can only be as cool as it makes sense.
The slit in between the cylinders is a point of failure (for a boosted engine) not an increase in reliability. I've replaced shortblocks for nearly 100 Ford Ecoboost 4 cylinders that had coolant consumption CAUSED BY THE EXACT SAME SLIT!!! In May Ford released a revised block that had a hole bored between the cylinders that connected to the coolant passage in the cylinder head rather than the older slit design. Mark my words, that slit is a death sentence if you run high boost!
How did you guys hook up with a 7.3 so soon? Glad to see a good jump into the aftermarket so early in production, but it’s gonna be several years before they turn up in salvage yards for any reasonable price.
That "saw cut" between the bores seems problematic from a boosted application like Ultrastreet that they mentioned. Not much room for the headgaskets to seal. Thoughts?
@J Smith agreed, gm literally forgot how to make engines that run properly. Ford seems to be the only one that can figure out how to make a turbo engine that doesnt shit itself when worked hard
You wan Ford reliability, look at that Barra i6. Sadly they're out of production and big externally for a 4.0/245cid.. but damn if they can't make power
@J Smith what don't I know? Hmm? That the Barra i6 are capable of street power levels in the 600hp range? That they're reliable, or that they're externally large? I mean, I have one sitting in the back of my truck.
At 5:00, don't like the coolant chambers/passages hidden and contained within the front cover, I see a direct path for coolant to enter the oiling system...
Ya.... I have a little struggle believing that block will hold that for any length of time. Mains and crank look great but that slit in between the cylinder walls was a performance mistake. There will be sleeves coming out for this I guarantee. At that point I could possibly see 1800. Not trying to be that cold water pourer tho🤣
2:23. Shot of block deck and pistons. Pistons look like inverted dome big-block Chevy pistons I used 20 years ago. The close proximity of the intake valve notch to the piston od will make it easy to burn the edge of the valve notch out of the piston if too much spark advance is set. The saw cut is good for cooling the inter-bore region on a heavily loaded truck engine, but may limit max overbore.
What is the maximum overbore you can get with that production block? I am thinking for high performance applications you could weld up that coolant saw cut in the deck?
I didnt see anything cast into the block to keep the cylinders stable to the walls of the block? i think ford focus rs had a problem with cylinder wall flex related to this?
Ford did iron block DOHC 5.4s WITH blowers on top of them in mustangs for a few years. This engine being a push rod engine carries the weight lower and would be lighter than an iron 5.4 even without the blower.
I think his stroke recommendations are way conservative, I would concur that for higher boost 4.1-4.2" stroke is probably for the best. Remember this is a 9.65" deck, an LS is a 9.2" deck, they run high boost on a 4"-4.1" stroke LS prettry regularly, a 3.622" or 3.856" stock LS/LT or L8T stroke is probably a better idea for over 1000-1500hp+ regular racing use, however for N/A work aftermarket 9.2" LS are frequently run with a 4.125"-4.25" stroke. I have seen than Callies is coming out with a 4.6" crank for the Godzilla which I am guessing is for n/a application. I figured with a 4.225"(0.005" over hone) bore and 4.6" stroke you can have a 522ci Godzilla and I would guess that with a shorter rod to allow more piston thickness and that ample cylinder thickness 1,000-1,200hp operation with boost or nitrous should be safe enough. 9.65"-9.2"=0.45"×2=0.90"+3.975"=4.875" So there's no reason even at that stroke with the added deck height that the rod can't be shortened a little if necessary and still allow at keast equal piston crown to what an LS with 4" stroke with moderate boost has. I would imagine that a stroker Godzilla should be able to be built with 800hp+ n/a and make 2,400hp+ on 3bar no problem, especially considering that a rod and piston engine with head work can make 750+hp already. Shame Ford didn't sneak in an easter egg in the Godzilla block design, since it has a 4.53" bore spacing, where it has FR9 Nascar headbolt pattern allowing one to buy a bare factory Godzilla block for $1,500(they were $995 for a short time) and put a set of cheap used Nascar FR9 heads on it. I still think Dart or someone is missing out on a goldmine if they produced affordable cast iron(instead of CGI) blocks (possibly with a taller deck for strokers) that can use all the cheap used Nascar R07 and FR9 heads and accessories. With the wide bore spacing that would mean much larger than the 4.185" bore also, surely more like 4.250"+ bores, which means 371ci instead of 358ci with a standard used NASCAR 3.25" crank and could mean 454ci with a 4" stroke at standard deck heaight without oil sprayers in the way and 511ci+ with a tall deck and a 4.5" crank, which are also number a Godzilla could be built too.
People have no idea that the 7.3 was developed as a replacement for the 6.8L V10 in E-Series cutaways and stripped chassis applications. The fact that Ford decided to make it an option in the Super Duty is strictly a bonus.
People going bananas on the horse power comments for the stock crank. I think he was talking about turbo. Obviously centrifugal is harder in cranks. But it’s common for oem coyote cranks, ls cranks and even Honda cranks, all of which are forged, to make big boy hp. Just bc someone may have thrown some parts together and didn’t check squat and they grenaded their stock ls or coyote crank doesn’t mean it can’t be done or isn’t done all the time by real builders. The stock forged units are very good. And the blocks now days are also very good. I forgot to mention, many gtrs out there making north of 2000 wheel use a stock crank. Anyways those pistons look like mahle power pack 26 cc units aside from the compression ring insert. I am super pumped on this engine. I think this engine with a piston and rod upgrade will be strong enough for most of us knuckle heads. Very happy to have a ford pushrod engine that you don’t need to dick around with aftermarket crank and cam sensor setups etc. Wish ford would get away from dumb coils and go to a smart coil. But that’s just bc I don’t want to buy a coil driver to use the stockers lol.
@@adamlemus7585 Man I had a 66 Galaxie 500 xl with a 390 in it...It sat on my granpa farm here in Texas for yrs I sold the 390 out of it bought a 429 block with the intent to build it but kids wife and farming takes most of my time
Marcus La'Don I have a line on a 64 Galaxy that a friend of mine has and may be willing to trade a few Honda Mugen parts I have. It’s a 64 black on black, no motor, no transmission just right for a project. But yeah family and spare time is expensive
Only thing I don't like is the plastic looking timing chain guides and the oil pump chain driven with a big plastic guide looks like weak links to me for high end stuff. Rest looks strong af though.
Does the factory save that much money per unit that they can't upgrade the engine to fully forged (everything) and then be able to promote as such ? I'm sure in a $50-$80k truck they can hide the extra $300-$700 'cost'.
Forged pistons expand more meaning they wear the bore and pistons significantly more than a hypereutectic piston as it goes through heating and cooling cycles
@@void2618_ Also expand at different rates and tend to have poorer start-up emissions. OEM engineers have a million considerations the average hot rodder doesn't. Rarely is "better" a simple metric!
I may be wrong, but it would make me uncomfortable putting very much boost to that engine with the semi free floating siamesed cylinders. I just get the feeling that heat would build between them and they could possibly move around causing head gasket failure in the least. Similar to the ford focus rs engines that have the same type of cylinder setup and are popping head gaskets at very low mileage. Just doesnt seem like very much support around those cylinders. Just my opinion though.
No auxiliary shaft off the cam... cam's not driving a distributor and oil pump, no need for extra beef. Actually thinking about it now, what on earth were manufacturers thinking putting that kind of load on a gear off a shaft drive by a chain anyways, unless it was about dampening any flutter by having a load....
What does the crank weigh and what size are the rod and main journals. This is really going to be the new go to engine for racers wanting to put big power in their Mustangs etc. Probably giving the LS a run for it's money.
More things change, the more they stay the Same,, I remember the 1st lightenings with 351 Windsor engines were truck engines,, that got us really excited,, fast forward to 2020 what do I see?? Bam 💥 ,, Thanks Brian, and Thanks REVan !!
Why won’t they bring the excursion back? It would sell very well the SUV market is big right now I would love to see one with this 7.3l and they would be the only ones with an actual work capable diesel option.
So, I'm not a mechanical engineer. It looks like the cylinders are "floating" in the block with a similar design to the setup used in the ford focus. The block is an open face design that allows coolant to move through the engine WAY more efficiently but, it also makes a head gasket failure WAY more likely. NOT GOOD FOR BOOST!!!! The focus block were cracking too. Personally, I would rather have a Windsor block.
It's really overkill in the strength department and is only steel because its the cheapest way to get the job done. It also transfers significant harmonics to the valve train. The best timing chain available is actually a rubber belt w/ adjustable aluminum gears. the timing belt's unbelievably super thin and narrow. It's a "jesel belt drive" and costs 1500$ for a Ls. Once u see this in a 4000 hp engine your opinion on timing chain girth will change
@@brentiaconelli6484 I am familiar with a belt conversion. And no it doesnt change my opinion. I would like to see a bigger chain or double roller chain for this application. Harmonics are not a issue. Double roller chains have proven their dependability for probably trillions of miles or more. What it really boils down to is ford did the math. The can use the little chain and it will make it out of the warranty period. Then on top of the that they are going to save $15 per timing chain. Multiply that by 500,000 units and they saved 7.5 million dollars. It was one way they saved money, just like plastic valve covers, Plastic intakes thinner castings etc...
I love it it reminds me of two things the old Fe side Oiler and the LS I was a Ford guy all my life until the modular yuck what is sad is, it'll be 15 years from now before I can get my hands on one of these I'll be too old to really give a shit by then I don't think I've ever owned a vehicle less than 13 years old I don't believe in payments for giving my money to some big Corporation I prefer my money to go to the private individual
The rods in all my 4.6's are cracked and they've all been driven in excess of 300k miles with no major service. Timing covers never been off. Synthetic oil sure makes a big difference.
Will this fit into a 1969 mach 1? Not looking to ditch the shock towers. I know its smaller than a coyote but slightly bigger than a small block... was planning on a 427 Windsor stroker but this might be the way to go...
I know this is probably sacrilege for such a nice new engine, but I wonder how well these things will just take abuse in 6 years when people are picking them up for dirt cheap and throwing ebay turbos on them. Will we finally have a motor that can dethrone the 6.0 Vortec for cheap power? One of those made a tad over 1,400hp with nothing but gapped piston rings and a couple turbos on an engine dyno.
It's high time for Ford to build a 7.3 Litre Cobra Jet and put it under the hood of a Mustang so it can go head to head against the Dodge Challenger Hellcat.
Finally a NOT modular engine. (Coyote motor is good too). Chevy has owned hot roding and swaps for decades now, and too be honest the ls motors are beasts. But I think we finally have a good competitor. I look forward to seeing what the 445 can do.
So odd question and I know it’s been 2 years but, from the one y’all cut apart, do y’all have any of the pistons and con rods from the engine that you’d be willing to sell just one? Cause I want to make a piston & timing set clock
I’m curious to see how these motors hold up long term, with 100k+ miles. We shall see. The 6.2 is a great reliable motor, I hope the car is the same here.
So why a chain driven low mount oil pump vs Modular style crank driven unit? Also the aftermarket is going to have to think of clever ways to make an oil pan with filter mount. Sounds expensive for the end user
@@PureCountryof91 It gives my heart great happiness to learn that your engine has a 4.020 stroke. I hope you share the same happiness for the 4.150 stroke in my Hemi. Best regards.
@@PureCountryof91 I hate to be the one to break it to you, but just adding longer rods will not increase stroke. It just changes the height of the piston in the bore. Not the amount of up and down travel it has in the bore. You will change compression, possibly need custom pistons, change the amount of side loading on the bore from the piston skirts, and you will also increase the amount of dwell time at tdc with longer rods.
This engine was wholeheartedly designed to be a competitor to the LS, ford just looked at the LS market and realized people didn't like putting chevy engines in fords
I am a life long Ford guy but this engine will never be competitive without a set of Cleveland style heads. The BB Chevy is the dominant engine in NA builds because of cylinder heads. I don't see the market for aftermarket Ford heads just to be equal to the Chevy BB. If I was to buy a new Ford F250 I would definitely buy this engine.
Looks like a good design with the ability to run a decent sized cam profile. Heart shaped combustion chamber and cantered valve angle, variable cam timing and the right compression ratio with e85 will make some fat torque and hp numbers over a wider rev range. I think there's going to be some impressive numbers from this engine. 445 cubic inches and the latest technology for cylinder head design should go well.
@Vegas EMT well the fact that I'm mainly interested in cleveland engines should tell you that yes i do know what a canted valve cylinder head is.... watch the second video where they strip the top end of this engine off and show you both valves open with no springs (they open into each other). it might not have as much side angle on the valves as a cleveland non the less it is a canted valve head that flows 320cfm with nothing more than a clean up in the port according to that video. if you look at the valve stem angles in the video at 8:27 you see it ua-cam.com/video/ML4SlsScnBY/v-deo.html
I read somewhere that the Ford designer of this engine is a drag racer and knew this motor would make its way into the hotrod scene. Also it will help Ford take away from the LS base and its about time. Lovin it !!!!!!!
It probably won't poach a lot of LS users until Ford makes an aluminum block version. Of course, the stock iron block will be great for boosted drag race applications...
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate that the cam is inside the block like God intended?
Are you not familiar with the SOHC 427 from the 1960's!??
@@jeffmiller3150 well yeah, Pontiac fooled around with one too.
The cam belongs in the block.
😂🤣 yeah. No. It's for sizing. The 5.0 coyote makes 460hp/420lbs of torque on a mustang tune. If this thing wasn't gonna be enormous, an ohc version would easily be 500hp out of the box
@@PureCountryof91 I'm sure GM engineers could wring the same power from a 5.3 if it wasn't a truck engine. Big deal.
PureCountryof91
It’s not just sizing. It was also simplicity, low end power and longevity under load. This was always intended to be a commercial truck engine. But let’s just appreciate that we get more Ford engines to play with
thank you henry ford. for all the fun you have brought all of us gear heads.
@8:45
"We cut this block with a bandsaw." Thanks for sharing. Great info
Thank you.
The 7.3 stuff is 🔥🔥
1800 HP.... unbelievable we're talking these numbers and the crank is a definitely a chunk of badass! This man does a great job at explaining the features...
You've surrounded yourself with a lot of knowledge E 👍
Did damn thing ain't going to make no 1800 horsepower gtfoh
600hp mate. I have an daily driver powered by an unopened Barra making 800hp. That 7.3L is a massive boat anchor.
@@nordic5490 lol do u not realise people make 3500 from those 5.0 fords? Id ne surprised of they dont hit 3000 with this knowing the yanks
billy heaton yea tell me about it specially on those toothpick rods
Nor Dic no way stock bottom end of Barra making 800hp
I really want to hear what one of these sound like through some headers
brapppp
Yeah, with a nice choppy sounding big mutha thumper camshaft and some 2 inch primary headers. Bet it will sound like a monster! Nothing sounds as badass as a big cube motor with a long duration and a tight lsa cam running thru some quality big thick tube headers and a set of 3 inch in/out flowmaster 10's !! Man!! I can almost hear it now rumbling from under the hood of my black metal flake 65 mustang fastback with 15x10
Cragar ss on the rear and 15x4's on the front .
And a smile plastered ok permanent on my face. Lol
Since both the 7.3 and 6.2 share the same bore spacing of 4.53" we are looking to put the 7.3 crank in a 6.2 SOHC! According to Brian the main and rod journals are the same size... So it's party time!!
Thanks Again for such awesome Vids...
Do people swap the 6.2 into mustangs? Excuse my ignorance I’m in the uk so I’ve never heard of it.
2011metalmaniac no one does that in the states
Why what’s wrong with it?
I wonder if you will need to clearance the block for the rods?
2011metalmaniac One of the reasons are that it is to big and the 5.0s and others are better anyways because they’re lighter and higher reving
I'll keep my old 460 thanks, it's been on the road since 1983 and has 480,000 miles on it and still runs like a champ. Not dissing the the 7.3 or anything, its a great looking engine. Might be a fun swap later on.
I have farmer friend with a 460 powered water well. After ten years (about 65000 hours) it is still running strong.
was the engine ever rebuilt? what kind of oil do you use?
Going to be putting in my order for a 7.3 F350 in early fall. The more technical detail I see around this engine the more excited I get. Thank you for these videos. Very informative and well done. 👍
Being a Ford guy, I don't like this engine being called "Godzilla". That names already been taken by a legend.
Yea and Godzilla is Killed by the Japenese in the end also. Not a Good name for American Muscle.
@@imakittycat1302 I was referring to the RB26 who's claimed the name "Godzilla"
Aaron Keller yeah they could’ve called it Hercules or King Kong or whatever.
"Clydesdale" would have worked
@@aaronkeller8269right wouldn't more of an appropriate name been King Kong
I'm a pretty DieHard LS guy. But I can't deny the fact Ford has really been stepping their game up since the coyote. And this engine has me excited especially that it's a push rod. Way to go Ford.
Yes Ford has some really great engine packages.The Coyote is a monster,mid 9 second performance with low boost.Personally speaking I would advise builders to turn down the power if the car or truck is going to be driven on the street.The big HP numbers work best on the racetrack.
It's not mentioned, but the crankshaft laser hardened, superior to induction, developed by Ford and and an industry first. The first engines crank is a prototype, as it's discolored from furnace tempering.
Thank for mentioning that and for checking out our channel.
GM was doing laser hardened cams in the 70's and 80's.
@@andyharman3022 Sorry, but in the 70's and 80's a 6kW laser did not exist to the public, and the military didn't even have them. You are likely confusing this with induction hardening, which largely replaced conventional heat treatment.
@@mikekopmanis2099 Didn't need 6kW to do laser hardening of cams. The laser was pulsed to heat a spot about .030" diameter, then turned off to allow the heated spot to mass quench, thereby making the martensitic transformation for hardness. If you would look at a production cam from that era, you would see the raster pattern of hardened spots. Not likely that I'm confusing it with induction hardening, as I wrote my engineering thesis on contour induction hardening.
Would love to see you optimize the 7.3 for max low end to mid range torque. A real stump puller for RV hill climbs!
This could be an interesting series, except instead of all the commonly rodded out motors that there are a billion videos on, it would be interesting to see some of the new half ton diesels and everyday ecoboosts etc. all pulled apart. No one breaks down the engineering in some of the most common engines like this. I particularly find it fascinating.
Fork me i love those heads, everything we always wanted, and its stock!!!
Would be so easy to do individual stacks on this like an old school FE, speaking of which the bottom end is designed similarly and i am in LOVE
@@smokenchoken1736 it would sound so good with 8 stacks screaming at wot
Great 7.3 content. May I suggest you create a playlist just for the Godzilla videos?
Only thing I’m not crazy about is water pump bolts going thru front cover but I suppose if your a die hard ford guy you’ve about got all the gasket timing down. Can’t wait to see what a cam will do. The intake and exhaust manifolds already look good so I doubt theirs gobs of power to gained but still exciting to see these vids! Keep it up
This engine is using all the good designs of the past, the full skirt block of the FE and Y block, the cantered valves of the Cleveland and 429/460 and the timing cover a bit like a Windsor, just hope it has the firing order of the old Y block to get that sound. Also with the chain driven oil pump there must be a way to drive a external oil pump to lower the oil pan for engine swaps/racing
I want to put one of these in my 96 F-superduty(450) reg cab flatbed!
Same !
more like a Hirth sled motor, i got a few gallons of XD-100 BRP for these sexy 2 stroke 7.3's!
Oih the 2 stroke is the only american engine that is worth a shit! fucking hate joke oh there fun to destroy they got some use, haha.
well a 4 joke stroke is fun to bash with a sledge hammer!
Fractured rods are awesome. In caterpillar land we have been using them for ever. Although all the bolts we use are torque to yield. I dunno about this ford rod but it’s something to keep in mind if guys are going through there oem rotating group to balance it or whatever they may need to change the rod bolts. Maybe they will make an arp bolt or something. Please put some pistons and rods in this engine and a 102 on it and a little methanol lol.
R.E. ………..great job , Im old so tell Ford enginners to send 6,, 7.3 s to Kasse and the Gliddens and big check for both and get out the way so they can make POWER !!!!!!!!!!!
Boss nine heads would be so cool on top of that block!!!!
Yes jon kaase needs to build one of these lil monsters
I like how people point out Kasse and Glidden as great Ford engine builders (they are) but nobody gets more power per CI NA than the Engine builders in NASCAR 358 CI 850HP on 99 octane unleaded is pretty stout. Plus they run for 500 miles not 8 sec.
Im a simple man. I just want this in my sn95 in place of my windsor.
I want one for my obs haha
I was thinking about my Panther
In a perfect world I'd love to swap this into my 97 Thunderbird
i wouldn t knock the windsor too hard
Tilt it upside down and run oil injection. My OMC Johnson v8 2 stroke can do this and im sure this 7.3 can. im getting some ford v8's from a junkyard for my dry sump oil injected 2 stroke oil experiment. I will be using Motul 800 2t for my experiment. i cant wait to try this and will it survive? lets see?
Need one of these in my 84 Bronco. Thanks for the great video on this, everyone has been waiting to see in detail the godzilla
Thank you for watching!
That’s great Evan, I never knew that you had a channel. Was a fan of your column, wayyyyy back
Thank you Jim, let me know what kind of stuff you want to see.
Evan you’re doing great man, usually you’re covering the newer and some of the one off stuff. I go to Uncle Tony for the older stuff. I remember you driving The Fridge when that was new, I still have my Lightning.
I've been waiting over a year for this engine release and foxbody swap kits to become available. I have a 93 2.3L notchback that I will be doing this swap to. Very excited for this 7.3L.
Thanks for watching, we have much more to come.
I've also got a clean built 90 coupe with a 393 F4TE, I intend to pull and swap for for the 7.3 as they become readily available. The 393 will eventually go into a 53 F100
They need to sell that as a crate engine but with an aluminum block.
Will be interesting to see what this costs as a crate engine. Hopefully they start to show up for sale out of recked trucks for a better price that coyotes. An engine can only be as cool as it makes sense.
The slit in between the cylinders is a point of failure (for a boosted engine) not an increase in reliability. I've replaced shortblocks for nearly 100 Ford Ecoboost 4 cylinders that had coolant consumption CAUSED BY THE EXACT SAME SLIT!!! In May Ford released a revised block that had a hole bored between the cylinders that connected to the coolant passage in the cylinder head rather than the older slit design. Mark my words, that slit is a death sentence if you run high boost!
Good point. The new GM 6.6 gasoline truck engine has a hole drilled at the top of the cylinders for ring pack cooling.
Great video! Would love to have a version of this engine in my Raptor.
Me too bro
Thanks for putting 446 cubic inches. I’m old. Like oil filter placement too. Whew, nerve racking music at start and end!
It’s actually a 445.
I normally dont comment on these things but that was great content you have answered most of my questions about this block solid info all around
Thank you Ryan, I'm all about the detail. Much more to come.
Interesting that the top compression ring land has a steel insert on the piston, should equal many years of durability.
How did you guys hook up with a 7.3 so soon? Glad to see a good jump into the aftermarket so early in production, but it’s gonna be several years before they turn up in salvage yards for any reasonable price.
we all work or worked for Ford...
Motorhomes my friend
atom atom how bai it disassembly manuals? How do you guys get those for such a new engine?
Several years?... Your forgetting about crashed trucks. Im surprised there's not dozens on eBay yet
Brian Wolfe was Chief of Product Engineering before he retired....I am responsible for Ford global crankshaft manufacturing.
That "saw cut" between the bores seems problematic from a boosted application like Ultrastreet that they mentioned. Not much room for the headgaskets to seal. Thoughts?
Built for strength and longevity I like it a lot👌🏼🏁
J Smith the first gen had problems but they have been resolved, not like government motors type of problems though lol
@J Smith agreed, gm literally forgot how to make engines that run properly. Ford seems to be the only one that can figure out how to make a turbo engine that doesnt shit itself when worked hard
You wan Ford reliability, look at that Barra i6. Sadly they're out of production and big externally for a 4.0/245cid.. but damn if they can't make power
@J Smith what don't I know? Hmm? That the Barra i6 are capable of street power levels in the 600hp range? That they're reliable, or that they're externally large? I mean, I have one sitting in the back of my truck.
@J Smith you spelled ecotec wrong
At 5:00, don't like the coolant chambers/passages hidden and contained within the front cover, I see a direct path for coolant to enter the oiling system...
Finally Ford got smart and built an LS style engine. I expect to see a bunch of these in the future.
LS style do you mean because it's a push rod V8, they've been around about 70 years.
Ford built the original LS/Cleveland engine in 1969, the Government Motors version didnt come till after Fords patent had expired.
Very modular like design on the bottom, and that is muy bein!
I already put in my order at the local junk yard.. When they get 1 in call me.. I still can't get over the 1800 hp comment 😬😲😎
Ya.... I have a little struggle believing that block will hold that for any length of time. Mains and crank look great but that slit in between the cylinder walls was a performance mistake. There will be sleeves coming out for this I guarantee. At that point I could possibly see 1800.
Not trying to be that cold water pourer tho🤣
Your going to pay a fortune
When you see the cutaway it gives you mad appreciation for the strength of iron. This should be the only V8 option in the F-150 on up.
You guys aren't concerned about the saw cuts at the head gasket surface ?
Joe Nobody doesn't look like they are deep enough to cause any weakness. Look maybe 2mm deep.
2:23. Shot of block deck and pistons. Pistons look like inverted dome big-block Chevy pistons I used 20 years ago. The close proximity of the intake valve notch to the piston od will make it easy to burn the edge of the valve notch out of the piston if too much spark advance is set. The saw cut is good for cooling the inter-bore region on a heavily loaded truck engine, but may limit max overbore.
What is the maximum overbore you can get with that production block? I am thinking for high performance applications you could weld up that coolant saw cut in the deck?
Pretty similar to a LS based engine. I bet itll make massive power.
But a lot beefier
I didnt see anything cast into the block to keep the cylinders stable to the walls of the block? i think ford focus rs had a problem with cylinder wall flex related to this?
Would be fun if Ford threw this in a new version of the Mach 1!
428 cobra jet ;)
Would be to front heavy, otherwise cool idea.
@@knutendreringhagen289 just give it a nice set of springs!
Ford did iron block DOHC 5.4s WITH blowers on top of them in mustangs for a few years. This engine being a push rod engine carries the weight lower and would be lighter than an iron 5.4 even without the blower.
Yeah supercharged 1100 horsepower come factory with some sticky Mickeys
I think his stroke recommendations are way conservative, I would concur that for higher boost 4.1-4.2" stroke is probably for the best. Remember this is a 9.65" deck, an LS is a 9.2" deck, they run high boost on a 4"-4.1" stroke LS prettry regularly, a 3.622" or 3.856" stock LS/LT or L8T stroke is probably a better idea for over 1000-1500hp+ regular racing use, however for N/A work aftermarket 9.2" LS are frequently run with a 4.125"-4.25" stroke. I have seen than Callies is coming out with a 4.6" crank for the Godzilla which I am guessing is for n/a application. I figured with a 4.225"(0.005" over hone) bore and 4.6" stroke you can have a 522ci Godzilla and I would guess that with a shorter rod to allow more piston thickness and that ample cylinder thickness 1,000-1,200hp operation with boost or nitrous should be safe enough. 9.65"-9.2"=0.45"×2=0.90"+3.975"=4.875" So there's no reason even at that stroke with the added deck height that the rod can't be shortened a little if necessary and still allow at keast equal piston crown to what an LS with 4" stroke with moderate boost has. I would imagine that a stroker Godzilla should be able to be built with 800hp+ n/a and make 2,400hp+ on 3bar no problem, especially considering that a rod and piston engine with head work can make 750+hp already. Shame Ford didn't sneak in an easter egg in the Godzilla block design, since it has a 4.53" bore spacing, where it has FR9 Nascar headbolt pattern allowing one to buy a bare factory Godzilla block for $1,500(they were $995 for a short time) and put a set of cheap used Nascar FR9 heads on it. I still think Dart or someone is missing out on a goldmine if they produced affordable cast iron(instead of CGI) blocks (possibly with a taller deck for strokers) that can use all the cheap used Nascar R07 and FR9 heads and accessories. With the wide bore spacing that would mean much larger than the 4.185" bore also, surely more like 4.250"+ bores, which means 371ci instead of 358ci with a standard used NASCAR 3.25" crank and could mean 454ci with a 4" stroke at standard deck heaight without oil sprayers in the way and 511ci+ with a tall deck and a 4.5" crank, which are also number a Godzilla could be built too.
don't know how i feel about that saw cut between the bores, metal looks pretty thin.
People have no idea that the 7.3 was developed as a replacement for the 6.8L V10 in E-Series cutaways and stripped chassis applications. The fact that Ford decided to make it an option in the Super Duty is strictly a bonus.
People going bananas on the horse power comments for the stock crank. I think he was talking about turbo. Obviously centrifugal is harder in cranks. But it’s common for oem coyote cranks, ls cranks and even Honda cranks, all of which are forged, to make big boy hp. Just bc someone may have thrown some parts together and didn’t check squat and they grenaded their stock ls or coyote crank doesn’t mean it can’t be done or isn’t done all the time by real builders. The stock forged units are very good. And the blocks now days are also very good. I forgot to mention, many gtrs out there making north of 2000 wheel use a stock crank. Anyways those pistons look like mahle power pack 26 cc units aside from the compression ring insert. I am super pumped on this engine. I think this engine with a piston and rod upgrade will be strong enough for most of us knuckle heads. Very happy to have a ford pushrod engine that you don’t need to dick around with aftermarket crank and cam sensor setups etc. Wish ford would get away from dumb coils and go to a smart coil. But that’s just bc I don’t want to buy a coil driver to use the stockers lol.
After my VW and Datsun is done I want to build a Ford Galaxy with one of these 7.3’s.
I hope you dont put a cruis-o behind it 😂
Pablo Tharpalo
Nope. Six speed
@@adamlemus7585 Man I had a 66 Galaxie 500 xl with a 390 in it...It sat on my granpa farm here in Texas for yrs I sold the 390 out of it bought a 429 block with the intent to build it but kids wife and farming takes most of my time
Marcus La'Don
I have a line on a 64 Galaxy that a friend of mine has and may be willing to trade a few Honda Mugen parts I have. It’s a 64 black on black, no motor, no transmission just right for a project.
But yeah family and spare time is expensive
@@adamlemus7585 I feel ya. I just bought a teal 63 4 door project 352 + cruis-o-matic. Gonna chuck a C6 in there instead
This bottom end with some sleeves , rods, pistons would be ready to send to 2000hp
Only thing I don't like is the plastic looking timing chain guides and the oil pump chain driven with a big plastic guide looks like weak links to me for high end stuff. Rest looks strong af though.
Does the factory save that much money per unit that they can't upgrade the engine to fully forged (everything) and then be able to promote as such ? I'm sure in a $50-$80k truck they can hide the extra $300-$700 'cost'.
Forged pistons expand more meaning they wear the bore and pistons significantly more than a hypereutectic piston as it goes through heating and cooling cycles
Yes they save millions. Not to mention NVH requirements.
@@void2618_ Cool thanks.
Like your thinking . Always thought that if you do it right , then they would only ask for "more" work done, not repairs!
@@void2618_ Also expand at different rates and tend to have poorer start-up emissions. OEM engineers have a million considerations the average hot rodder doesn't. Rarely is "better" a simple metric!
I may be wrong, but it would make me uncomfortable putting very much boost to that engine with the semi free floating siamesed cylinders. I just get the feeling that heat would build between them and they could possibly move around causing head gasket failure in the least. Similar to the ford focus rs engines that have the same type of cylinder setup and are popping head gaskets at very low mileage. Just doesnt seem like very much support around those cylinders. Just my opinion though.
Some of these components look lightweight for such a powerful motor. The chains are tiny. The sprockets seem lightweight for 500 ft-lb.
Looks similar in size to the LS stuff I'm sure it'll be fine.
No auxiliary shaft off the cam... cam's not driving a distributor and oil pump, no need for extra beef. Actually thinking about it now, what on earth were manufacturers thinking putting that kind of load on a gear off a shaft drive by a chain anyways, unless it was about dampening any flutter by having a load....
Always nice to here about your video and knowledge thanks! Happy motoring 🇨🇦
What does the crank weigh and what size are the rod and main journals. This is really going to be the new
go to engine for racers wanting to put big power in their Mustangs etc. Probably giving the LS a run for
it's money.
More things change, the more they stay the Same,, I remember the 1st lightenings with 351 Windsor engines were truck engines,, that got us really excited,, fast forward to 2020 what do I see?? Bam 💥 ,, Thanks Brian, and Thanks REVan !!
Great video. Fantastic stuff from Ford.
Thanks
Why won’t they bring the excursion back? It would sell very well the SUV market is big right now I would love to see one with this 7.3l and they would be the only ones with an actual work capable diesel option.
So, I'm not a mechanical engineer.
It looks like the cylinders are "floating" in the block with a similar design to the setup used in the ford focus. The block is an open face design that allows coolant to move through the engine WAY more efficiently but, it also makes a head gasket failure WAY more likely. NOT GOOD FOR BOOST!!!! The focus block were cracking too. Personally, I would rather have a Windsor block.
1000hp open deck honda 4 cylinders are laughing.
Siamese head I've heard of it. But I have one coming in a week KR tremor 250 ,fingers crossed. 🇺🇸
They cut the deck off with. A bandsaw so you could look at the cylinder wall thickness. The deck is closed and about an inch thick.
Great video i cant wait to see what people do with this motor
This Motor is gonna be sick!!!
I would like to see a little bit of a beefier timing chain. I like the look over all though.
It's really overkill in the strength department and is only steel because its the cheapest way to get the job done. It also transfers significant harmonics to the valve train. The best timing chain available is actually a rubber belt w/ adjustable aluminum gears. the timing belt's unbelievably super thin and narrow. It's a "jesel belt drive" and costs 1500$ for a Ls. Once u see this in a 4000 hp engine your opinion on timing chain girth will change
@@brentiaconelli6484 I am familiar with a belt conversion. And no it doesnt change my opinion. I would like to see a bigger chain or double roller chain for this application. Harmonics are not a issue. Double roller chains have proven their dependability for probably trillions of miles or more. What it really boils down to is ford did the math. The can use the little chain and it will make it out of the warranty period. Then on top of the that they are going to save $15 per timing chain. Multiply that by 500,000 units and they saved 7.5 million dollars. It was one way they saved money, just like plastic valve covers, Plastic intakes thinner castings etc...
That thing with some darton sleeves would be nasty. If possible with the cooling between cylinders of course.
I love it it reminds me of two things the old Fe side Oiler and the LS I was a Ford guy all my life until the modular yuck what is sad is, it'll be 15 years from now before I can get my hands on one of these I'll be too old to really give a shit by then I don't think I've ever owned a vehicle less than 13 years old I don't believe in payments for giving my money to some big Corporation I prefer my money to go to the private individual
Im in the same boat as you. One of 3 is a mod clunker 2v that is my wifes. What a mistake and a pile of junk. No way as good as my 351w and 460.
The rods in all my 4.6's are cracked and they've all been driven in excess of 300k miles with no major service. Timing covers never been off. Synthetic oil sure makes a big difference.
I do believe the aftermarket and hotrod scene has already crowned a king. I think Ford is trying to get into the game late.
You are absolutely correct. But better late than never.
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He's one of my favorites. You'll probably love my channel too...
Thank you Rick, let us know what you'd like to see.
Will this fit into a 1969 mach 1? Not looking to ditch the shock towers. I know its smaller than a coyote but slightly bigger than a small block... was planning on a 427 Windsor stroker but this might be the way to go...
I know this is probably sacrilege for such a nice new engine, but I wonder how well these things will just take abuse in 6 years when people are picking them up for dirt cheap and throwing ebay turbos on them.
Will we finally have a motor that can dethrone the 6.0 Vortec for cheap power? One of those made a tad over 1,400hp with nothing but gapped piston rings and a couple turbos on an engine dyno.
Fully skirted cast iron block, 6 bolt mains, beefy head bolts, and a stout crank. Yeah, I am guessing this engine will last.
I've been waiting for this...
.... that saw cut between the bores looks so sketchy. Glad I saw this
this engine would look so good with Individual throttle bodies
As soon as I heard 6 bolt mains I was sold.
Oil filter right next to the pan....finally ford made it easy to do an oil change!
It's high time for Ford to build a 7.3 Litre Cobra Jet and put it under the hood of a Mustang so it can go head to head against the Dodge Challenger Hellcat.
I cant wait for the flood of mod videos.
Finally a NOT modular engine. (Coyote motor is good too). Chevy has owned hot roding and swaps for decades now, and too be honest the ls motors are beasts. But I think we finally have a good competitor. I look forward to seeing what the 445 can do.
That tiny timing chain will be its Achilles hill
grat vid man i would like to know what size the mains and the rod journals are also bore thickness
Nice background diecast and wall art!
This series is very cool, you got a new sub
Thank you, glad you're enjoying our content.
What are the bearing diameters? What is the deck height?
I need one of these mated to a ten speed in my 09 p71.
Or just drop a v10 in front of the 4r70 with a j-mod kit and send it
Looks strong don't like chain driven oil pump but every thing else looks solid horse power and torque will tell the story
So odd question and I know it’s been 2 years but, from the one y’all cut apart, do y’all have any of the pistons and con rods from the engine that you’d be willing to sell just one? Cause I want to make a piston & timing set clock
I’m curious to see how these motors hold up long term, with 100k+ miles. We shall see. The 6.2 is a great reliable motor, I hope the car is the same here.
I've got 70k hard working miles on my 7.3 and never a issue runs strong as ever 💪
So why a chain driven low mount oil pump vs Modular style crank driven unit? Also the aftermarket is going to have to think of clever ways to make an oil pan with filter mount. Sounds expensive for the end user
Hmmmm...... I'm seeing deck plates and sleeves in this blocks future. Boom! Now add your 4.250 or 4.500 stroke crankshaft!
Fun fact.. my Barra has a 4.02" stroke.
@@PureCountryof91 It gives my heart great happiness to learn that your engine has a 4.020 stroke. I hope you share the same happiness for the 4.150 stroke in my Hemi. Best regards.
@@jamessheets9205 I can get rods that will bring the stroke up. But not cheap at all
@@PureCountryof91 I hate to be the one to break it to you, but just adding longer rods will not increase stroke. It just changes the height of the piston in the bore. Not the amount of up and down travel it has in the bore. You will change compression, possibly need custom pistons, change the amount of side loading on the bore from the piston skirts, and you will also increase the amount of dwell time at tdc with longer rods.
Great potential in those ENGINES
Did you see the meat between the cylinders? That is a gasket weak spot, supercharge it and you going to blow head caskets.
Great Vid, I just got the 2021 F250 7.3! Posted a vid on my channel of it as well. It's certainly a Super Duty!!
Great video and education!!! Thanks for sharing!!!!
I'm digging more ls/lt content on this channel.
This engine was wholeheartedly designed to be a competitor to the LS, ford just looked at the LS market and realized people didn't like putting chevy engines in fords
This is going to be huge. It will solve the biggest problem for Ford fans. "Put an LS in it"
Keep’em coming! Love the channel!
Thanks, you got some great videos yourself, cool channel, great Foxbody content.
I am a life long Ford guy but this engine will never be competitive without a set of Cleveland style heads. The BB Chevy is the dominant engine in NA builds because of cylinder heads. I don't see the market for aftermarket Ford heads just to be equal to the Chevy BB. If I was to buy a new Ford F250 I would definitely buy this engine.
you realise this engine has a canted valve cylinder head that flows 320cfm on the intake..... the cleveland usually flows between 275-290cfm intake
Looks like a good design with the ability to run a decent sized cam profile. Heart shaped combustion chamber and cantered valve angle, variable cam timing and the right compression ratio with e85 will make some fat torque and hp numbers over a wider rev range. I think there's going to be some impressive numbers from this engine. 445 cubic inches and the latest technology for cylinder head design should go well.
uhhh, you aint getting alot out of stock bbc heads unless you hog the absolute shit out of them.
@Vegas EMT well the fact that I'm mainly interested in cleveland engines should tell you that yes i do know what a canted valve cylinder head is.... watch the second video where they strip the top end of this engine off and show you both valves open with no springs (they open into each other).
it might not have as much side angle on the valves as a cleveland
non the less it is a canted valve head that flows 320cfm with nothing more than a clean up in the port according to that video.
if you look at the valve stem angles in the video at 8:27 you see it
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