The $200 Discount is a Distraction -- RTX 4080 Super Review and Benchmarks!

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  • The $200 Discount is a Distraction -- RTX 4080 Super Review and Benchmarks!
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    Benchmarking the new $1000 RTX 4080 Super vs 9 other GPUs - RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super, RTX 4090, RTX 4080, RTX 4070 Ti, RTX 4070, RX 7900 XTX, RX 7900 XT, RX 7800 XT.
    ► TIMESTAMPS
    0:00 Welcome: RTX 4080 Super Benchmarks + Review
    1:18 The $200 Price Drop to $1000, and some history
    3:30 Stat Comparison, Specs, Test Hardware
    5:23 Power Draw
    6:20 BENCHMARKS: 3DMark Time Spy Extreme & Port Royal
    6:56 Far Cry 6
    8:04 Shadow of the Tomb Raider
    8:41 Shadow of the Tomb Raider [RT]
    9:17 Cyberpunk 2077
    9:58 Cyberpunk 2077 [RT]
    10:39 F1 23 [RT]
    11:19 Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora [RT]
    11:59 Horizon Zero Dawn
    12:40 Total War: Warhammer III
    13:23 Resident Evil Village
    14:01 Doom Eternal (Vulkan)
    14:40 Microsoft Flight Simulator (DX12)
    15:30 Starfield
    16:01 OVERALL RASTER PERFORMANCE - 4K
    16:47 OVERALL RT PERFORMANCE - 4K
    17:08 OVERALL RASTER PERFORMANCE - 1440
    17:24 OVERALL RT PERFORMANCE - 1440
    17:50 OVERALL RASTER PERFORMANCE - 1080
    18:13 OVERALL RT PERFORMANCE - 1080
    18:23 AVG FPS / COST PER FRAME - 4K
    20:35 AVG FPS / COST PER FRAME - 1440
    21:00 AVG FPS / COST PER FRAME - 1080
    21:13 Conclusion and Closing Thoughts
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  • @jmv2015
    @jmv2015 3 місяці тому +169

    I remember when a "80" series cards were $500 and would be a 384 bit bus.

    • @JimBuckYou66
      @JimBuckYou66 3 місяці тому +42

      Yeah now Nvidia got idiots paying $1000 and arguing in these comment sections that its good value for what is essentially a 70 class card.

    • @thealien_ali3382
      @thealien_ali3382 3 місяці тому +13

      ​@@JimBuckYou66it's insane how a RTX 4070 super TI is near is 1000 dollars and the 4090 is 2k

    • @ptpoul
      @ptpoul 3 місяці тому +8

      Part of me still regrets letting go of my 1080ti Asus strict oc card. Quiet, ran incredibly well.

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому +5

      Yeah. AMD will save you buy dropping their $950 80 series card to $500

    • @DJHeroMasta
      @DJHeroMasta 3 місяці тому

      @@ptpouldamn! Did you at least upgrade from it? I bought my MSI Gaming X 1080 Ti on Ebay for $350 a few years ago. It was a risk but it was well indeed worth it!

  • @senhorkorracha
    @senhorkorracha 3 місяці тому +540

    The fact that Nvidia would launch and entire line of products instead of discounting their existing GPUs is awful. They can anchor their prices all they want, my budget won't change and my wallet will remain untouched.

    • @Sly_404
      @Sly_404 3 місяці тому +22

      Look up the latest quarterly earnings report and you get your answer on why they can do it.

    • @AdamB5000
      @AdamB5000 3 місяці тому +37

      I agree that they won't get my money right now. I paid $960 for a 3080 in Jan. 2021 at Best Buy. I won't consider another high priced GPU again. I will wring every last ounce of life from this GPU.

    • @mikelay5360
      @mikelay5360 3 місяці тому +17

      This is the exact definition of whining

    • @MuShinnen
      @MuShinnen 3 місяці тому

      ​@mikelay5360 this the exact definition of empty, vapid, useless commentary, that also doesn't seem to know what whining is.

    • @btconnergaming
      @btconnergaming 3 місяці тому +20

      I don’t think there trying to cater to your budget or wallet lol why do pc gamers seem to think that these companies should specifically cater to your demands? There are other people with bigger budgets and wallets that will gladly pay $1,000 because that’s actually a fair deal for this card

  • @scott3489
    @scott3489 3 місяці тому +123

    I really appreciate the voice overs you do for your graphs explaining the data over just having music in the background. Thanks Paul.

  • @charlesschmidt4272
    @charlesschmidt4272 3 місяці тому +33

    Thank you for including MSFS in the benchmark results. Nobody else seems to. Glad I bought the 7900 xtx for 889.99 back in November.

  • @user-sj4kx4dp3f
    @user-sj4kx4dp3f 3 місяці тому +15

    Thank you Paul. This is the best evaluation of the "Super" cards I have seen. I really enjoy the work you do.

  • @aidenhewson
    @aidenhewson 3 місяці тому +31

    Hey Paul thanks for benchmarking such a good selection of games

    • @John-PaulHunt-wy7lf
      @John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 3 місяці тому

      No more 4080 supers on Newegg at 999.99. grins as I move on.

  • @Techno4more
    @Techno4more 3 місяці тому +92

    I got a 3080 and it looks like I'll keep this for a long long time with these prices

    • @OG_Gamers_Live
      @OG_Gamers_Live 3 місяці тому +6

      I'll be running my 3090 T.I FE card until I get an AMD 7900XTX or what ever comes after that.

    • @sexyitalian891
      @sexyitalian891 3 місяці тому +14

      I think I'm gonna run my 3070ti into the ground!

    • @5UR3X3
      @5UR3X3 3 місяці тому

      @@sexyitalian891same if anything I will downgrade from a 4k display to 1440p one

    • @petarpartaloski8889
      @petarpartaloski8889 3 місяці тому +1

      AMD is still an option, you know...

    • @Techno4more
      @Techno4more 3 місяці тому +2

      @@petarpartaloski8889 yeah sure, I'll consider AMD when it's worth upgrading which isn't yet imo. Maybe not even next gen.

  • @gr81matt
    @gr81matt 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for putting that all together!

  • @devilmikey00
    @devilmikey00 3 місяці тому +24

    Dont forget they also shrunk the die size for each tier of card (4090 excluded) alongside increasing those prices. Cheaper to make at a higher price than ever.

    • @markmanderson
      @markmanderson 3 місяці тому +7

      you were not meant to notice that mate ;) look its shiny black!

    • @joeykeilholz925
      @joeykeilholz925 3 місяці тому

      There's no going back under capitalist rule

  • @helzapoppin9810
    @helzapoppin9810 3 місяці тому +164

    $999 still too damn much for a graphics card

    • @ro794
      @ro794 3 місяці тому +9

      I just paid 1.3k lmao

    • @ryankneidinger2284
      @ryankneidinger2284 3 місяці тому +36

      @@ro794womp womp

    • @MuShinnen
      @MuShinnen 3 місяці тому +54

      ​@@ro794We all make mistakes.

    • @btconnergaming
      @btconnergaming 3 місяці тому +17

      Based off of what? Your feelings on what a graphics card should cost?

    • @ro794
      @ro794 3 місяці тому +10

      @@MuShinnenI want 4k with RT on. 4090 too expensive. Good luck to you!

  • @DJ-TimeShift
    @DJ-TimeShift 3 місяці тому

    Thanks again for the great work! I keep sharing your vids with my brother since we both are on the fence for a new gpu. I actually had a feeling the super would perform less in some cases than the regular one. Even if its by such small margins.

  • @LudaLuke
    @LudaLuke 3 місяці тому

    Haven't watched in a while but have been a long time viewer, but have always enjoyed your videos Paul, very down to earth and explaining what I feel is often the more important stuff in reviews and when giving your thoughts, keep up the good work

  • @vulcan4d
    @vulcan4d 3 місяці тому +15

    Look at all that GPU gold you got there. That 7900xt is looking gooood.

    • @legendofthefall7082
      @legendofthefall7082 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah it’s a great deal at $750 as far as this GPU generation is concerned

  • @robertrent5218
    @robertrent5218 3 місяці тому +5

    Thanks for including FS2020.

  • @Stinksatthis
    @Stinksatthis 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for all your hard work

  • @SimFanatic
    @SimFanatic 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for showing MSFS, that answers my question on going with the 4070 TI Super vs the 4080 Super. Cheers buddy!!

    • @TalonRahl
      @TalonRahl 2 місяці тому +1

      I made that mistake. Got a 4070ti super and there’s only 3 drivers that have ever dropped for them and had nothing but issues. Most likely due to the architecture change. Returned and snagged a 4080s.

  • @ironmonkey720
    @ironmonkey720 3 місяці тому +3

    I appreciate all your hard work, witty banter and honest down to earth perspective. Keep on keeping on.

  • @loganhatch
    @loganhatch 3 місяці тому +4

    Coming from a 1070 and waiting on my 4070 super and rest of my components for my new build and I will be happy with 1440 gaming for several years until hopefully 4k gaming becomes more normalized and less expensive.

  • @njwracingable
    @njwracingable 3 місяці тому

    always love your stuff paul .

  • @JorgeMartinez-dp3im
    @JorgeMartinez-dp3im 3 місяці тому +1

    Hey Mr. Paul, in the future would you include peak and average operating frequency for the cards? Im guessing you were right that your 4080 FE was clocking higher but im really curious by how much. Btw, you aint gotta or anything but your timespy test results should have the frequency info. Would be dope if you could post that.

  • @granthartley
    @granthartley 3 місяці тому +20

    Come to Australia, Paul, where you'll be able to buy a 2% on average faster RTX 4080 Super for a 4% price increase ($1870 AUD) over the base model RTX 4080 that was already retailing for $1800 a couple days before Nvidia's CES announcement. Now that's value! Thanks Jensen! What a legend! 👍 PS: don't be a "Super" sucker, and just buy an on sale 4080 for $1500-1600, so you can still get the majority of that "discount" we're supposed to get, like I did. 🙂

    • @chadwilliams4373
      @chadwilliams4373 3 місяці тому +2

      I'm in the same position, wanted to get a 4080S but current 4080 prices make it hard to justify!

    • @pickletullio
      @pickletullio 3 місяці тому +3

      Love how all the reviews are headlining with the fact it is cheaper in the US. Why do us Aussies always get ripped off!

    • @PCbenchmarktime
      @PCbenchmarktime 3 місяці тому +1

      I'd argue that $1,499 is too much at this point. If it was that price at launch i might have considered. It was $1,499 for 3 days before it sold out. That just tells you it was still a hard sell at that price lol. That or people release the super wasn't any better after the reviews and came to their senses and got the 4080 on sale instead. I've waited this long though, it would have to under $1,299 or less for me to be interested. Waiting for next gen instead. If the 5080 is priced right. Otherwise I'll get a 4080 second hand for half of what it is now lol

    • @granthartley
      @granthartley 3 місяці тому

      @@PCbenchmarktime yeah, I wouldn't argue with you on that either. But it is the best we got for that performance/price bracket, for people that want to play games with full ray tracing and need the better support that Nvidia provides when it comes to more niche things like hardware eye tracking in high end VR, which is all very important to me. I got burnt hard on the 3090, even after selling it months before the next gen was announced, and so, I have now been waiting for 18 months without a GPU in my sim rig, until a moment just like this past week, where the 4080 finally becomes viable/reasonable in the price to performance category, when compared to the performace tiers above and below it (4070 Ti (not enough VRAM) & 4090 (too expensive)). So yeah, it was either 4080 now, or potentially wait another 1-2yrs for 50 series. No thank you. I got games and sim racing to play in 2024! haha. But each to there own. 🙂

  • @noanyobiseniss7462
    @noanyobiseniss7462 3 місяці тому +13

    This and the other supers in this series are proving that the bus is saturated.

  • @zealwing
    @zealwing 3 місяці тому +1

    Paul and Team thank you for always adding flight simulator 2020 to the benchmarks much appreciated!!

  • @billsmith3309
    @billsmith3309 3 місяці тому

    Love thee video. Keep 'em comin'.

  • @CMPHOTO2
    @CMPHOTO2 3 місяці тому +5

    Would love to get this card in Portugal at MSRP, but if the 4070 ti super is at 900€ plus, this 480Super will be 1200€ plus

  • @danytoob
    @danytoob 3 місяці тому

    Whew! That's a lot of numbers Paul. Well done ... thanks!!

  • @richh5620
    @richh5620 3 місяці тому

    Very thorough and easy to compare from your video, thanks 👍
    (I think I'm tempted by the 4070 Ti Super ... where Super actually means some sort of performance difference lol ... maybe in the next price drop 🤦‍♂)

  • @tipturkey1283
    @tipturkey1283 3 місяці тому +4

    every time i see charts, to this day, even owning a 4080 myself, im still blown away by just how fast the 4090 is; what a machine, if only the price wasnt so nuts, i'd have bought that instead

    • @Branpanman
      @Branpanman 2 місяці тому

      It is powerful, but it’s also quite a power-hungry boi.

  • @anonimuso
    @anonimuso 3 місяці тому +61

    People who've been waiting for years to upgrade their GPU:
    November: "I've heard NVIDIA might release refreshed GPUs soon. I'll wait just a little longer."
    January 8th: "Leaks were right. 4070 Super looks great. Gonna pick me up one of those."
    January 17th: "4070 Super looks a little weak. Gonna pickup a 4070 Ti Super next week."
    January 24th: "4070 Ti super is pretty meh. Guess it's the 4080 Super for me now."
    January 31st: "4080 Super is literally a 4080. Guess I'll go with a PS5 for half the price."

    • @CaptainScorpio24
      @CaptainScorpio24 3 місяці тому

      hahahahahaha

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 3 місяці тому +1

      4070ti still seem like the sweetspot for nvidia to me. cheapest 16gb model that isn't a joke.
      or, y'know. you could but an arc a770, or a 6800xt.

    • @chrisvig123
      @chrisvig123 3 місяці тому +7

      And that’s what’s happening…a lot of gamers are leaving the pc gaming world

    • @Rhadoo89
      @Rhadoo89 3 місяці тому +3

      I've had a 2080 Super since 2019, and I just bought a 4080 Super today, to finally replace it.
      It was finally a good price/performance product.

    • @TheRealCatof
      @TheRealCatof 3 місяці тому +2

      Ah yes, the PS5 with its no games and paid online. Good luck with that

  • @SinCityAMG
    @SinCityAMG 3 місяці тому

    Great comparison. *Thumbs-up*

  • @jobbs103
    @jobbs103 3 місяці тому

    Really glad you captured the most important metric Paul - "Contains Ti / Super" 😂

  • @prospect2664
    @prospect2664 3 місяці тому +46

    already checked, 4080 is 1450 eur, while 4080S is 1350 eur

    • @Rhadoo89
      @Rhadoo89 3 місяці тому +3

      It depends on country/store.
      In Romania, I was lucky enough to grab a Gigabyte RTX 4080 SUPER WINDFORCE at slightly above MSRP, for 955 EUR / 1034 USD (19% VAT excluded). I like this card because the 12 VHPWR connector is on the small side of the PCB, causing no interference with the side panel.
      There were 4 pieces available when I started the order, and by the time I finished, it went out of stock.
      Now the cheapest 4080 Super on the same store costs 1033 EUR / 1119 USD without the 19% VAT.

    • @BeryProduction
      @BeryProduction 3 місяці тому +5

      4080 super 1113eur vs 4080 1166eur in Czech republic

    • @julpezri
      @julpezri 3 місяці тому +2

      4080s windforce and tuf @ 1150€ with 24% VAT here in finland. Most ran out of stock though. got myself a suprim for 1299€.

    • @vensroofcat6415
      @vensroofcat6415 3 місяці тому +1

      Prices may start making sense around April. It's when the market usually starts to cool down before summer. Lowest prices being around mid August. But then the longer it takes, the less sense it makes to buy one at all. RTX 50 isn't that far away either. -Grabs popcorn

    • @prospect2664
      @prospect2664 3 місяці тому

      @@vensroofcat6415 oof.... wanna build my pc in a week or two... only have laptop atm

  • @MiddleofKnowhere
    @MiddleofKnowhere 3 місяці тому +21

    The 4000 series as a whole has been a huge disappointment, especially from a pricing standpoint. The performance gains do not justify the hikes.

  • @valentinomagafas
    @valentinomagafas 3 місяці тому

    great video as always and thanks for the review...myself i am in need of an update ...but i have an rx-580 8gb that still holds on and breaths just enough to not justify getting any of these absurd priced cards.i game at 1440p at low settings-there is no comparison ofc to these newer generation cards but still .since you mentioned mists of pandaria i would love if you could add in any of your tests world of warcraft a so beloved game

  • @philb1167
    @philb1167 3 місяці тому

    So when will they apply the price discount? Same price as before in Australia

  • @ccgert
    @ccgert 3 місяці тому +7

    Great video but I wish you would have included the RTX 3080TI

  • @Screaming_GOAT_HD
    @Screaming_GOAT_HD 3 місяці тому +3

    When do you think the Nvidia 5000 series will be released?

    • @red5standingby419
      @red5standingby419 3 місяці тому +1

      Why? You in a hurry to pay 20% more than you have to today?

    • @Screaming_GOAT_HD
      @Screaming_GOAT_HD 3 місяці тому +1

      @@red5standingby419 some of use don't have to worry about cost. 🤷

  • @ericjeker
    @ericjeker 3 місяці тому

    I am on the market for a new gaming PC so this is very useful. Thanks for the effort putting all this together!
    Right now I am thinking about the 4070 Ti Super, or the 4080 Super FE. Will probably depend on availability and price where I am.

  • @nonsuch9301
    @nonsuch9301 3 місяці тому

    I really wish you would include some stats for its NVENC performance for a range of codecs

  • @zenos9302
    @zenos9302 3 місяці тому +5

    Only nvidia shop is down, but major shops have loads aib available and some with the same price as FE. Best bet i think is wait a bit more to see some decreasing of the 4080

    • @michelinvillalobos8965
      @michelinvillalobos8965 3 місяці тому

      I think the prices are gonna stay the same. Probably around $1,200 if they stay sold out since there isn’t much difference between the 4080 and 4080 Super

    • @zenos9302
      @zenos9302 3 місяці тому

      @@michelinvillalobos8965 probably indeed, but i somehow hope there will be some kind of "old cards sell out" :D 900euro for the 4080 old edition :p

  • @QuentinStephens
    @QuentinStephens 3 місяці тому +8

    Thanks, Paul. That's a lot of hard work there. It's very telling how often the 1% lows of the RTX 4090 near or even exceed the average FPS of the 4080 & 4080 Ti. With such high frame rates the 1% lows are just as - or even more - important than the average frame rate. 0.1% lows would have been very useful. Stutters are really bad.
    I must take issue with your $2000 pricing of the RTX 4090. The price hike is over. Over here the price, including 20% tax, is under £1600, or £1333 ex tax which translates to about US$1600 and that would give an adjusted cost per frame of $11.23 at 4k (I didn't calculate the rest). I wonder how things look if you do that calculation on 1% lows?
    For me, and granted that I purchased one on launch day, the RTX 4090 is still the card that gives the most value. If you can afford it. And that's a shame.

    • @pmHidden
      @pmHidden 3 місяці тому +3

      Germany is the same. The cheapest 4090 I can find here is 1820€, with the cheapest 4080 Super being 1110€. Whereas in the chart, the 4090 is exactly twice as expensive, it's only 1.64 times as expensive in reality. Using these numbers, the cost per frame would be 10.60€ and 12.78€, respectively. I can't be bothered to convert into US dollars as it doesn't make a difference when it comes to their relative values.
      Also, there are 7900 XTX for 950€ available here, making it ~14.5% cheaper than the 4080 Super instead of the 5% cheaper in the chart.

  • @paulhellyer4518
    @paulhellyer4518 3 місяці тому

    Do these new cards have the new 2x6 power adaptor or the original 12V Fire hazzard one? Everyone keeps says 12V adaptor, which is quite surprising considering the thousands of carrd impacted by the issue

  • @jorgiewtf
    @jorgiewtf 3 місяці тому

    Nice video man but I wish you would have done some comparisons to the 30-series cards as most people like me would like to see if perhaps the upgrade from my 3080ti would be worth it. I don’t think too many people are looking to upgrade within the same generation.

  • @trishwells6517
    @trishwells6517 3 місяці тому +4

    I refuse to buy a card that should be $700. I'm tired of these bogus inflated prices.

  • @_sky_3123
    @_sky_3123 3 місяці тому +14

    So there is no preformance uplift at all? Wow...damn.

    • @timotmon
      @timotmon 3 місяці тому +9

      You'll have to wait for the Super DUPER launch to get a performance boost.

    • @TheRealCatof
      @TheRealCatof 3 місяці тому +1

      It's slightly faster but 20% cheaper

    • @timotmon
      @timotmon 3 місяці тому +6

      @@TheRealCatof 1-2% faster is just a rounding error at that point. Just weird to call it Super when it's really just a price drop to the 4080.. which is fine really.

    • @thealien_ali3382
      @thealien_ali3382 3 місяці тому

      It's literally none existent of performance😂​@@TheRealCatof

    • @thealien_ali3382
      @thealien_ali3382 3 місяці тому

      ​@@timotmonI don't get it, it has 5% more cuda, ray tracing cores, yet only yields 1 to 2 percent increase what gives

  • @mainframe3978
    @mainframe3978 3 місяці тому

    This Launch reminded me of the first of the RTX 30 Series No product it was 300 over retail In Canada and that is with exchange rate Scalpers Paradise

  • @EvilZod23
    @EvilZod23 3 місяці тому

    Great work, Paul!

  • @stargeezer8427
    @stargeezer8427 3 місяці тому +4

    Having a well-loved pair of 1080ti's in SLI on x99, I contentedly skipped the 20's & 30's, but by the 40's launch I was getting pretty itchy despite being disgusted by Nvidia's tactics. Out of spite I set a stock MSRP $1000 price notification for a very particular 7900 XTX flagship AIB thinking yeah right, never gonna happen. Then not even 30 days later it did, I jumped ship, went all in, and it just might be the best "gaming" decision I've ever made. Nvidia, Jensen, and even RT can kiss my entire butt.... Completely happy with team red's products & platforms (except for maybe Adrenaline :P) and have gotten very comfortable with them; since Nvidia has gone full vile mega-corp, and Intel keeps phoning it in (still watching ARC though), I don't see any reason to change.

  • @Monsux
    @Monsux 3 місяці тому +23

    RTX 4080 Super has 5% more CUDA, Tensor, and RT cores. We all knew this like two weeks ago when the specs were released on all the new GPUs. No idea what people expected knowing this info.

    • @henson2k
      @henson2k 3 місяці тому +10

      We expected at least 5% across the board, we did not get even that... which seems to be common theme for "Super" cards

    • @Monsux
      @Monsux 3 місяці тому +2

      @@henson2k I personally don't care about these founders cards. Always the limiting factor. If there are no changes between higher tier models against same cooling variants, then maybe. If there are 5% more CUDA, Tensor, and RT cores + memory speed upgrade (everything else the same inc core clocks), the difference should be around 5%.
      Path tracing scenarios maybe more, or less... Depends on how the AI core count affect the PT fps. Also, waiting on DLDSR + DLSS test on higher resolutions.

    • @henson2k
      @henson2k 3 місяці тому

      @@Monsux The only explanation I have Nvidia has switched to a cheaper/worse components (memory?) in Super cards.

    • @Monsux
      @Monsux 3 місяці тому +4

      @@henson2k No idea... It can be almost anything. GPU bios, Cooling, OC limits, memory, memory cooling (pads). Just lower quality VRAM thermal pads can increase massively memory temps (my last Asus model). That GPU had insane VRAM OC potential, but OG thermal pads destroyed the memory performance.

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому

      I find it weird that Paul didn't see a small increase coming when that information has been available for months.
      Where were you this whole time? 😂

  • @lolwtfldr3
    @lolwtfldr3 3 місяці тому

    👍 Any rumors on when the RTX5k series might launch?

  • @disafear3674
    @disafear3674 3 місяці тому

    Great work Paul!

  • @josephmccartney5951
    @josephmccartney5951 3 місяці тому +3

    Gonna just wait for the 5xxx series. My gtx 1080 can hold on another year

  • @Seanmmvi
    @Seanmmvi 3 місяці тому +3

    Wow, what a gigantic ginormous waste of time. Sorry you had to benchmark the same card twice! Your price anchoring hypothesis is very interesting.

  • @tiradegrandmarshal
    @tiradegrandmarshal 3 місяці тому +12

    Yeah, I'll be waiting for the 50 series.

    • @Liq38
      @Liq38 3 місяці тому +5

      agreed...very disappointing launch here. The prices need $200 cheaper across the board.

    • @veduci22
      @veduci22 3 місяці тому

      Just like AMD did with AM4 Nvidia will keep 40 series as budget option and charge premium for 50 series :D

    • @josephmccartney5951
      @josephmccartney5951 3 місяці тому

      @@veduci22and if they raise the prices higher then this gen. No one. And I mean NO ONE is going to buy them. Only the rich and UA-camrs are gonna get them. That’s not enough money for green team. But go ahead and do it. I dare u nividia 😂🤣🤡

    • @s-nooze
      @s-nooze 3 місяці тому

      @@josephmccartney5951 that's just dead wrong. Nvidia has a total control of the market and history of the last few years has shown them setting higher prices and the cards still sell. They make so much money doing AI stuff for big corporate clients that they don't care about losing a few "regular gamer" customers. In fact, they don't want us to have our own gpus at all in a few years, they want to sell us Geforce Link or whatever their game streaming subscription is called.

    • @coygscott
      @coygscott 3 місяці тому

      If I didn't need a card right now... I'd probably wait a year too. But... I guess, not bad at $999. I feel like everyone still has a bad taste in their mouth from the unreasonable pricing of the original 4080 launch. Original pricing missed the mark so badly.

  • @captainculpeper1250
    @captainculpeper1250 3 місяці тому +1

    No distraction for the scalpers!

  • @KBWrecker
    @KBWrecker 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for your hard work

  • @yukiokouri9960
    @yukiokouri9960 3 місяці тому +3

    This is really disappointing, doesn't help that all of these are sitting well over msrp and still 200-600$ more expensive then the 7900xtx

  • @nipa5961
    @nipa5961 3 місяці тому +33

    Would be a decent $800 card.

    • @OrjonZ
      @OrjonZ 3 місяці тому +2

      1 year ago. 650-700 by now.

    • @xpodx
      @xpodx 3 місяці тому +1

      It's an amazing card, using previous cards, 2080ti, 3090 ti, it's fast and a 1000 isn't bad. It's like 30% faster than my 3090.

    • @ABasedSammich
      @ABasedSammich 3 місяці тому

      Compared to what?😂 These are the cutting-edge cards. And in a few years' time they will still be the same price.

    • @ancientflames
      @ancientflames 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ABasedSammichthe second the 5000 series is out in 8-10 months they will all be half price tf are you talking about

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ABasedSammich Right, just like the 4080. Started at 1470€ just a year ago, now at 1090€.

  • @krypticgaming2629
    @krypticgaming2629 3 місяці тому

    okay so i have a 3070 should i go 4070ti super or 4080super? i play 1440p and i plan on pairing it with a 7800x3d, would it be Better to get the cheaper card or the more expensive card? (gpu economy is 😭)

  • @ScoreStreekz
    @ScoreStreekz 3 місяці тому +2

    Any way we can include the 6950xt on your next test video? They are becoming available at Micro Center for $550

  • @sweeleangloh
    @sweeleangloh 3 місяці тому +3

    i like the title! 😉

  • @23kendrell
    @23kendrell 3 місяці тому +5

    This confirms my 7900xtx for 850 was worth it

    • @thefryinallofus
      @thefryinallofus 3 місяці тому +1

      Unless you care about ray tracing performance. Hard to predict the next couple years.

    • @23kendrell
      @23kendrell 3 місяці тому +2

      @thefryinallofus nope not at all never have even before I switched to amd

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому +3

      I've always told people who don't care about raytracing, upscaling and hdr for streaming videos, 3D rendering and VR encoding to go with AMD to save a few bucks.
      AMD is for those who only care about price for the basic raster. You did good 👍

    • @jebril
      @jebril 3 місяці тому +1

      I will say I'm surprised at how much the 7900XTX has improved. Initially it was neck and neck in non RT with the 4080 but it seems that drivers improved the cards performance a ton. If I were to buy now I would probably go with a 7900XTX over a 4080 shame that they launched the card without mature drivers cuz it was offputting to a lot of people like myself.

    • @thefryinallofus
      @thefryinallofus 3 місяці тому

      @@23kendrell Makes sense. I'm keeping an eye on the big remaster effort with the RTX tools Nvidia released for mod creators. I want to play HL2 remastered with ray tracing, tomb raider 1 with RT etc. But again, we're talking about potential stuff. Could be significant in a year or two though what gets released with the RTX toolkit.

  • @bradeinarsen
    @bradeinarsen 3 місяці тому

    Feeding the algorithm for one of my favourite tech tubers

  • @joecool1875
    @joecool1875 3 місяці тому

    thnx for a great review and over all test of the current cards and prices including most bang for the $! nVidia needs to really shape up and get their prices adjusted to the market again, don't see anyone buying cards priced like they were in the shortage crisis of 2021... sticking with my 3070Ti for another while, and most likely wont upgrade the whole system until everything runs PCIe 5.0.
    :|

  • @nisargpatel8096
    @nisargpatel8096 3 місяці тому +3

    Already sold out on Best buy and Newegg 😅

    • @coygscott
      @coygscott 3 місяці тому

      Was sold out within an hour or so... Saw immediate flips on ebay for a 40% markup. 🫠

  • @Celis.C
    @Celis.C 3 місяці тому +32

    This is basically nvidia advertising to AI developers: buy 5 4080 supers, get one free!
    Other than that, it's just a big middle finger towards gamers. Only slightly retracted. Ever so slightly.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 3 місяці тому +1

      i don't know if it's retracted at all. the 4080 is much less of a "monster" today than it was at launch. so, comparatively, it's probably an ever worse launch.

    • @R3nchi
      @R3nchi 3 місяці тому

      Why. buy 4070ti super. or AMD

    • @glenyoung1809
      @glenyoung1809 3 місяці тому +1

      Jensen Huang: "The more you buy, the more you save" in his keynote speech at the 2023 Computex show.

    • @Matthew-vw6gy
      @Matthew-vw6gy 3 місяці тому

      AI is paying all of nvidia’s bills. Gamers can get fucked as far as they’re concerned

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому

      @@GraveUypo it's still only inferior to the 4090, unless you are referring to some AI-workload dedicated cards?

  • @henson2k
    @henson2k 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for testing in Microsoft Flight Simulator, that's my primary use case. But I don't see it CPU limited at 2K resolution, perhaps something else eating resources.

  • @richard_d_bird
    @richard_d_bird 3 місяці тому +11

    is this just the 4080 with a super label stuck on it?

    • @mikelay5360
      @mikelay5360 3 місяці тому +3

      For 999 I'll take it

    • @seemoney4038
      @seemoney4038 3 місяці тому +4

      @@mikelay5360 People like you are the reason everyone else is in this mess.

    • @mikelay5360
      @mikelay5360 3 місяці тому +1

      @@seemoney4038 Because I didn't choose your favourite XTX😂

    • @seemoney4038
      @seemoney4038 3 місяці тому +2

      @@mikelay5360 No, because you think $1,000 is a reasonable price to pay for a piece of rock with a cooler and shroud attached.

    • @s-nooze
      @s-nooze 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@seemoney4038 "piece of rock" is a little reductive come on. This is a magic stone of light and wind.

  • @iMoonMen
    @iMoonMen 3 місяці тому +18

    Man Nvidia trolling the consumers at this point

    • @tadsnyder2756
      @tadsnyder2756 3 місяці тому

      Well if we say that we have to call out AMD and they are my graphics card choice. The 7900xtx is overpriced should be 750-800 🤷‍♂️

  • @nukedathlonman
    @nukedathlonman 3 місяці тому

    Thanks Paul!

  • @27schmidty
    @27schmidty 3 місяці тому

    how do we buy a fouders card in Australia

  • @philipramsden4975
    @philipramsden4975 3 місяці тому +5

    That 256 bit bus is kneecapping this card

    • @vensroofcat6415
      @vensroofcat6415 3 місяці тому

      Just like wider road makes your car faster. Download moar bus!

  • @stayedfaded
    @stayedfaded 3 місяці тому +4

    My local Microcenter has 6950 XT for $550 and it makes it really hard to consider the 7800 XT or 4070 Super.

    • @Jaykurosakii
      @Jaykurosakii 3 місяці тому +1

      If you get 6950 Xt make sure to get atleast a 850w psu

    • @TheRealCatof
      @TheRealCatof 3 місяці тому

      6950xt is trash though.

  • @yongkykuncoro
    @yongkykuncoro 3 місяці тому

    Need help guys, I’m planning to upgrade my pc from a GTX 1080 but I’m torn between rtx 4070ti super and 4080 super, the graph shows that the 4070ti super seems to be the better bet, am I right in thinking this? Or should I shell out a bit more and get the 4080 super?

  • @DrBreezeAir
    @DrBreezeAir 3 місяці тому +2

    Your takes are always straight to the point. You're the best, Paul. Personally, I'm sticking to the 3070 until I learn the recommended requirements for GTA IV. All the games I'm playing are running great.

    • @ancientflames
      @ancientflames 3 місяці тому

      4070 or 4070ti should be more than enough for gta 6 at high settings decent fps.

  • @scottgriggs1490
    @scottgriggs1490 3 місяці тому +5

    They should have bumped the 4080 Super VRAM to 20 GB

    • @TheXboxSux
      @TheXboxSux 3 місяці тому +1

      I swear people say this that don't know how rendering pipelines work. More VRAM would do very little for performance which is why AMD isn't blowing nvidias cards out of the water. Raw raster might be a bit better, but in 2024 you're a dingus if you're trying to play modern games with no upscaling.

  • @FeisarX
    @FeisarX 3 місяці тому +8

    I thought i might be convinced to abandon my 7900 XTX …. but I wasn't.

    • @DeadPiixxel
      @DeadPiixxel 3 місяці тому +8

      as you shouldn't

    • @TheAwakenHD
      @TheAwakenHD 3 місяці тому

      wasn't you were

    • @DarkNia64
      @DarkNia64 3 місяці тому

      Smooth flex

    • @ddmm9099
      @ddmm9099 3 місяці тому

      Hardware unboxed left a very different picture in mind. Are some reviewers only using games that lean one way or another for benchmarking?

    • @alandab
      @alandab 3 місяці тому

      Dude, why would you have considered that when in most applications, the 7900 XTX is faster than the 4080?

  • @jesseslack2089
    @jesseslack2089 3 місяці тому

    I want Paul's Hardware and DF's John to either fight or do the Fusion dance!

  • @ywsx6489
    @ywsx6489 3 місяці тому

    are they leaving room for 4080 ti?

  • @rel4518
    @rel4518 3 місяці тому +3

    I assume most people have done what im doing. Buy last gen at a discounted and skip this whole generation. The prices still suck across the whole generation no exceptions for AMD.

  • @therealnexus77
    @therealnexus77 3 місяці тому +3

    Looks like I’m holding on to my 3080 just based of principle that’s wack AF nothing super about these cards smh

  • @ryanp1111
    @ryanp1111 3 місяці тому

    Thanks Paul 👍

  • @miguelrojas259
    @miguelrojas259 3 місяці тому

    I am just glad that I bought my rtx 4080 at $990 during the Amazon prime day on last October. I did not missed out on this refresh card.

  • @Brownwaffles
    @Brownwaffles 3 місяці тому +3

    7900 XT has my vote 🗳️ looking 👀 at all that data 📈.

    • @joegreezy
      @joegreezy 3 місяці тому +1

      It’s great for 1440p

  • @jackali5014
    @jackali5014 3 місяці тому +6

    I just bought 7900xt

    • @Rhadoo89
      @Rhadoo89 3 місяці тому

      If you don't care about ray tracing, it's a good option.

    • @jackali5014
      @jackali5014 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Rhadoo89 it was $197 cheaper than 4070ti S.

  • @Daniel-ur3mw
    @Daniel-ur3mw 3 місяці тому +1

    I have the MSI Expert on the way, can't wait to see the video, here's hoping it wasn't a mistake. Building a new system coming from a 3080 ti with an i7 9700K so I'm sure I'll see improvements all around.

    • @SupplyNinja
      @SupplyNinja 3 місяці тому

      you absolutely will. better temps to start. better processing as well.

  • @karlhungus545
    @karlhungus545 3 місяці тому

    How exactly is it possible that the Super card gets less frames than the regular 4080? Is something maybe wrong with your benchmarking? HW Unboxed didn't find this at all.

  • @professormoore4876
    @professormoore4876 3 місяці тому +3

    Thanks Paul! 4070 at 600 is by far the most interesting card, but I still am not sure its enough to get me to actually purchase it. Based on your review the 4080 super is really disappointing, I was hoping for something that slotted between the 4080 and 4090 for $1000, but it turns out its basically the same as a 4080 non super performance wise based on your analysis.

  • @LRW2324
    @LRW2324 3 місяці тому +4

    These cards still just need to sit on shelves until these companies come back to reality with pricing.

    • @Sercer25
      @Sercer25 3 місяці тому +2

      they sold out almost instantly this morning, 10's of thousands of cards sold immediately.
      customers are braindead and are actively hurting their own wallet. encouraging this behavior from company's.

    • @bmwnut5521
      @bmwnut5521 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Sercer25I think most of them are scalpers.

    • @ChrisZukowski88
      @ChrisZukowski88 3 місяці тому

      ​@@bmwnut5521yeah, nobody is lining up for these shitstain products.

    • @bmwnut5521
      @bmwnut5521 3 місяці тому

      @@ChrisZukowski88 I have the resources to buy these cards without hurting my wallet, but I would not pay for something that is overpriced like 3x. This is stupid as all we going to do by buying these expensive cards is that they can double the price in the future and then they will become unaffordable and kill the pc gaming.

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому

      AMD will save you by dropping the proce of the XTX from $999 to $500.
      They will come flying by night

  • @pelleg59
    @pelleg59 3 місяці тому

    I think it's strange that you use 1920x1080 in the test for with 4080 super because it depends a lot on how fast your cpu is in that resolution with more powerful graphics cards

  • @geekdoh
    @geekdoh 3 місяці тому

    Could any of those minor performance differences between the 4080 and 4080 Super be caused by the reviewer drivers? And then with the newer, better optimized drivers the difference between them would be larger, i.e., the 4080 Super is faster in all tests?

  • @OsmaBinLaggin24
    @OsmaBinLaggin24 3 місяці тому +3

    Nothing “Super” about it. 🤷‍♂️

  • @ScreaminpirateEDC
    @ScreaminpirateEDC 3 місяці тому

    I would like to see a video editor do a video on what GPU etc they like. Not everyone is just gaming with these higher end GPUs.

  • @killer01ws6
    @killer01ws6 3 місяці тому

    A ton of work with all of the cards, Appreciate your dedication to detail and doing the entire suite of card Paul. I went from a 3080Ti to the 4090 when I did my 13900KS build, but I would have happily went with the black 4080 Super. I really hate how Nvidia puts the high end cards out first so they have you over a barrel of you can't or don't want to wait.

  • @Gen_66
    @Gen_66 3 місяці тому

    I dont get how average 4k Raster performance is the same as average 4k RT performance? is it because when there's RT , a DLSS is used? If yes, DLSS set to what? Peformance?

  • @duffel87
    @duffel87 3 місяці тому

    ill just wait for 5000 Series. Thanks!

  • @kuroshine
    @kuroshine 3 місяці тому

    Good work

  • @randoma83
    @randoma83 3 місяці тому

    So is it a better option at the moment get a 4070 Ti Super instead of this 4080 Super for play at 1440 with RT? The performances are not so different between the two GPUs...Eventually with a mild overclock of the $070 Ti Super the difference in performances could be reduced?

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen 3 місяці тому

      It depends on what games. The 4070 TI Super is a great 1440p RT card, you can think of the 4080 Super as a full on 4k RT card or it gives you extra FPS for 1440p.
      It also depends on if you plan on buying again for the 5000 or 6000 series or later. If earlier (6000 or earlier), the TI will serve you the whole way.

    • @randoma83
      @randoma83 3 місяці тому

      ​@@ehenningsenThank you for the help. My idea is to grab a mid range rtx and save some money until the 5000 series will be on the market. I will use this 4070 Ti Super also for some preview 3d rendering and the 16gb are better than the 12gb of the 4070 Super (I was using a 3090 and the performance are a little less than the 4070 To Super).
      My aim is to play Cyberpunk with RT or Path Tracing, the Witcher 3 Rt, Stanfield...

  • @joeykeilholz925
    @joeykeilholz925 3 місяці тому +2

    Paul includes the 7900xtx since that's what it should be compared to. Linus's team really didn't think it was necessary for their entire super series roundup which is hilarious. Idk how their mistakes are so common. Luckily gamersnexus called them out so we are getting less than we otherwise would've.

  • @westyk52sparky
    @westyk52sparky 3 місяці тому

    back in june i almost a 4080 for 1300 them got a 7900xt for only £700 on offer. well before the price drop