Yeah it's just bullshit pricing. Still around 200-300 usd more than it should be for this class of card like all the other older 80 class gpus used to be.
Unchanged MSRP means that Nvidia themselves are still making the same cut on sales as they did from the release. Only manufacturers and retailers could make the cut, but they want the designer to cut the price first. You can still find places which have 3080 in stock, only because they never lowered the prices.
unless nvidia does a payback to manufactures or direct to retailers to allow them to drop the price, they're still on the hook for the original whole sale price they bought the cards for. so unless they're willing to take the margin loss they can't really drop the price.
@@sirmonkey1985 They’re never going to sell above the price of a 4080 super. They could have sold all these cards for $999 in december and early january and taken a small loss. Now they have to sell them under a 4080 super for an even bigger loss.
A neutered 80 class too. Made a whole seperate 103 die for the 80 card now yet we were getting more cores compared to the full die when they were using the 104 dies on them (the same ones the 70's use), nice. I think itd be more acceptable at $1000 if it was the 3080 vs 3090 margin between itself and the 4090, especially with a 320 bit bus and 20gb of vram. Thatd actually be fine imo.
Agree with you absolutely. This card, shouldn't have been more than 900, and in reality I would have been only comfortable with a price if it was closer to 800 or $750. Anybody telling me whoa the previous generation... The previous generation was overpriced. This generation has been insulting, usury, spit in your face level of insulting... After all, despite the technical achievements, this die is actually what a 70 class card would have had in previous generations
@@marcm. Really, 800 was already much more than inflation. So 800 is what it should have been. And that's with the RTX 4080 Super stats, not the original one. And looking at the previous generation, the RTX 3080 was 700. People always compare it to the 3090, which makes no sense because that should be compared to the 4090 in pricing. Which the 4090 is still more.
Fun fact: I saw once about a month ago a new RTX 4080 super selling for 600€ on amazon Italy new. I didn't buy it both because I don't have the money for it and because I have a 1080p monitor and system so it would be useless. But to think that there was such a pricing is amazing. As an Amd guy, buying nvidia as a lower or even equal price than the radeon competitor would be amazing. If only the prices wouldn't be so stupidly high
@@SweatyFeetGirl Where are you getting those prices? In Germany you can get them at the €1100-1300 range, which is actually around €200 less than what the 4080 was selling for in Germany.
Now the lads in the UK will be able to aford the cards due the gov. is banning the machetes so they will save money not being able to buy those and they can spend it on GPUs, is a win win for british sociaty
When super cards were announced I thought that 4080S was meant to dethrone 7900XTX from it's second place, considering how minimal the difference between the two is, surely there's almost no way to for them to fail, even after the red flag being the same amount of VRAM. And yet, nvidia somehow managed to fuck it up. XTX is an awesome card btw, can recommend.
XTX is an awesome card if you do not care about image quality, performance with raytracing, and power consumption, yes. But if you care about these, then it is a pretty horrible card compared to competition. Which is sad, since I prefer AMD.
nVidia never gives you something for cheaper. They tried ripping off with the 4080 and now they are selling it again at the price it should have been, which is still too high. If you want more power you have to 'sell a kidney' for the 4090 😂
It’s the fully unlocked AD103 GPU, if they wanted to make it any faster they would’ve needed to switch to AD102 which would have messed up their product stack. But they could have dropped the price of the 4080 to $1000 and released an AD102 4080ti for $1200.
I found one on sale for $800. If you're quick and observant, you can still find great deals on the amd gpu's. Heck, I found a regular 4080 for $950 new once. It's still not worth it to me at that price. But deals still sort of exist.
Got it for MSRP here in Spain and so far so good. I've got the Inno3d Twin X2, is fairly quiet, never goes over 72° and maxes out all my games above 144fps (except for TLOU but 100 fps is more than enough for a game like that) all while never exceeding 220w.
I'm waiting for next gen and currently running a GTX 1070. I've decided to play older games in the mean time. Many new titles are woke trash anyways so I'm not really in a hurry to upgrade, lol.
Wow. $200 price cut and it’s still slower than the 7900XTX in all but ray-traced games. GoOd VaLuE. Hopefully the 7900XTX comes down to $850 so we can get a solid GPU for a good price for once this generation - as if that’ll ever happen.
Yea doubt it mate, maybe towards the end of the life cycle or after the release of the next gen. XTX dropped a bit here already from $2200 on release to $1549 for the Hellhound, not the best but allot better value than a $2000 4080S.
Let me correct that for you: In all by Nvidia Sponsored ray-traced games. Funny how that works, isn't it? In Cyberpunk 2/3rds of the RT effects look no better than the highest rasterised version, and if you enable the only one that actually makes sense (RT Reflections) the XTX keeps up perfectly well.
@@andersjjensen Yea I ran reflections in Cyberpunk but still it crippled my 3090, max settings I could barely hit 30FPS and path tracing forget it.. It was a slide show, not even the 4090 can do it so after running it in Cyberpunk I haven't bothered turning it on in any other games not that many of my games even support it. XTX is a great card and its $350 cheaper here than the 4080S.
@@pituguli5816 Uh, what? With RT Reflections set to High and everything else set to highest raster option my XTX runs Cyberpunk at ~95FPS @ 1440p. So unless you're getting hammered by the extra CPU power RT costs your 3090 should do that at 75FPS without problems, even at 4k with DLSS Quality.
@@andersjjensen It doesn't though, any RT setting cripples my 3090, I played through Cyberpunk 109 hours and I turned it off at around the 50 hour mark because the frame times were terrible. 4k no way not even close, I play at 1440p and this 3090 just can't do it. Even with DLSS quality which downscaled res to 1080p it mostly ran at around 50FPS with dips in the 40's in some areas but the frame times were horrible it felt like 30FPS. Its not my processor I have a 7950x paired with CL32 6000mhz 2x16gb Ram and its installed on a 980 Pro 2tb NVME. Path tracing it dropped to 15FPS... Not even a 4090 can do it.
Remember, BOM cost on the 4080 founders edition card was $300 a year ago when 4N was an advanced node. They are probably down to 250$, so they’re likely making the same profit margin on the silicon/memory cost, and that’s why they were willing to lower the price.
In Australia the 4080 vanilla was available from $1499 AUD (street price from this week). Now the super variant is on AU sites from $1870 AUD Not worth an extra $300-400 for the super variant
@@Mark_Williams. The PNY 4080 at MSY / Umart for $1499 has sold out. Though the next cheapest one is for $1599 on Umart (Galax GeForce RTX 4080 SG 1-Click). But as the vanilla 4080 get bought bought up at some point the 4080 Super would be a better purchase
@RAM_845yup which is why j suggest AMD for friends then they're building. It's so much cheaper with far better future proofing if you throw CPUs in there
@RAM_845 No thanks mate my room is not that big and i dont feel like boiling alive. Especially with how terrible RDNA 3 is in efficiency at moderate loads. Ie optimum tech showed the 4080 super using 65w in overwatch 2 at 1440p while the 7900 xtx used about 210w. Sure in the lower midrange and below RDNA 2 is much better than ampere or lovelace in value tho but that's basically, lf not literally everywhere. Also u can buy used 3080's for $675 rn and thats like 25% faster, im not dumb enough to declare that its an ex mining card becuase the seller didnt disclose it but even if it was the 3080 is barely worse cost per frame while having all of nvidias features that matter like DLSS2 and reflex, im sure u care about reflex like i do if uve bought a 240hz monitor, no?
Yup, not upgrading or buying new. My i7-4790 + Quadro M4000 that I got back in 2015 is still doing what I need it do. If this keeps up I'll buy refurbished or used a few generations old. Not supporting these stupid prices.
I mean, it depends what your expectations are tbh. I would find your system absolute misery and I would rather just buy what I can afford that plays everything I want and accept that prices suck but not much I can do. If you have very low gaming requirements then you do you though but your PC isn't realistic for most people who want to play modern games and have a pleasant experience
@@MaTtRoSiTyAs the guy above said "We need to vote with our money which will provides best results" It's basic capitalism. I'm currently playing Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. In the game benchmark, I get a low of 26fps and a high of 50fps. Frametime is very steady. PUBG I get 25-75fps. Most of the time 50-75fps at 1440p. I am in the top 15% of players on that game, I play competivly. I know I'll do better with newer hardware but I much rather have the extra money for a house or stocks.
if the 4080 wouldve launched at this price i wouldnt have waited months before deciding to go for the 7900xtx. The 12 pin power connector was also a thing, but well here we are.
It’s more reasonable to wait for the next gen at this point in time. Up to later this year, prices will likely steadily go down so you can avoid being ripped off by both companies.
that's optimistic, imagine waiting for 40series and you get $1.2k 80 card, now extrapolate this for 5080 with 10% more performance and $1.4k price tag :D
More and more I realize just how genius Nvidia is. Because of DLSS and RT (they marketed these features as world changing and it worked) they can release poor value products at insane prices and people still eat it up. It is fascinating how well marketing can work when done correctly.
It's not pure marketing, DLSS2.* and RT do add value to people who will use those features, and unfortunately Europe need to do a bit of math to work out how much extra energy cost an AMD card will incur over it's expected lifetime. Whether the whole stack's pricing (inc AMD) needs a nerf to make the whole GPU market an enticing proposition is a different question.
For 3080 owners and above, the 4000 series shoud just be skipped. There's nothing that justifies these prices and cards unless you really wanna push 4K max settings RT.
Techpowerup only has it as 2% faster (at 4k) than the 4080 because they run a very large sample of games (over 100), but most of them are old. The more new titles you include in the average, the better it does, and the further it also pulls ahead of RDNA2.
@@poopoppy According to Newegg the cheapest 4080 Super in stock is $366 more expensive than the cheapest 7900XTX ($1275 vs $909). Those are the non-open-box, non-refurb models. And before you ask: The cheapest regular 4080 model is $20 more expensive.... so you're getting a way better discount on AMD than you're even demanding.
@@poopoppy 4K FSR Quality is the one exception from FSR: there's no noticeable difference (to 4K DLSS Quality) unless you freeze the image and start to search for differences that in motion are almost no real use case concern.
Good to see nvidia found a way to disappoint us with this but mostly the 4070 ti super. At least this one is a discount from the previous but the 4070ti being 3% faster was just a joke
its really not a bad deal if you look at it this way, its the cheapest card on green team with 16gb of vram, you get most of the 4080 performance for 200 less...i personally think its funny how people are pissed off about that, everyone listened to the hype from leakers and youtubers about how the 4070ti super was going to be the cheaper 4080. Nvidia was never going to do that when they had problems selling the 4080 in the first place. you will never feel the difference between the 4080 and the 4070ti super in game unless you are watching the frame counter, also if you overclock its basically a 4080 minus 5-10 frames depending on the game. I started out with a 4080 when they launched and then sold it because i wanted to try a 7900xtx and its great, but between AMD and game developers i switched back to green team for the better drivers and bought myself the 4070ti super, i cant tell the difference between the 3 when gaming! i was also playing at 4k 120fps and just recently swapped for a 1440p 165hz, im telling you i cant tell the difference especially with dlss. its a great deal for the money compared to the 4080's, if people want the real performance they need to jump the 4090 and forget NVidia ever made the 4080.
@nossy232323 you mean 400? 4080 is 1200 and the 4080s you can buy today is 1000. the regular 4070ti exists, I did not need a 4080, its just what I picked at the time because sales were so bad that nvidia gave the go ahead and gave 15% off to bestbuy customers. So I got 120$ off the 1200 price. All I'm saying is you don't need to spend that kind of money for the higher frame rates, especially with dlss and frame gen. The 4070ti and super variant can get it done easily! Iv had a 4080, I also have a 7900xtx that I'm selling because drivers are much worse than nvidia and I just didn't want to spend 1k or more on a graphics card anymore, especially when I seen the 4070ti super giving 90% of a 4080 and 95% if you overclock the piss out of it. For 200 less. I'm happy with it!
@@Amp_Edition I am comparing the RTX 4080 vs the RTX 4080 Super. So yes the RTX 4070 TI is a better deal and the RTX 4070 Super is even better looking from a performance to price comparison. It's normal that the lower you go in the product stack the better the "value" is. That's not what I was talking about here. I personally find it a bad deal since the price is still high and you are better of getting real next GPU's normally. I personally have a RTX 4090 which I bought about 1 year ago. I had a GTX 1080 before. I am fully aware this has a crazy price, but at least I keep my hardware for a long time, so my cost/year is still OK.
As someone who just sold his 4090 and went to a 7900XTX. Don't sleep on AMD. I know team green does a lot of marketing to brainwash buyers into thinking they are superior, but that 7900XTX isn't that far behind the 4090, at half the price. AMD just released driver level frame gen for folks, too, it works well enough. I know, I know, RT and all that. It's not quite there yet. Half the games I turn it on with, crash with RT on - Watch Dogs Legion, Hogwarts, etc. Crashes more on nvidia than AMD it seems, but I haven't measured it. Maybe next gen. On and AMD power connectors don't melt, like my 4090's did.
Yea I have a 3090 Bro and want to jump up to a 4k 144hz monitor, currently on 1440p 144hz. I went with an all white 7950x build so the Hellhound XTX for $1750 is looking pretty good plus yea no melting power cables.
@@Jmack1lla How is that relatively in line? That's a 20% premium for a product that's already over a year old when comparing the 4080 at $1000 to the 980Ti after correcting for inflation, not to mention that it should be compared to the $600 980, not the Ti. The Titan X is most similar to the 4090, which is 50% more expensive after correcting for inflation and uses almost double the power the Titan X did.
@@Jmack1lla A Titan X was $1315 corrected for inflation as you said, the 4090 is $2000. That's not 20%. Point being that it's not just the strength of the dollar(we already corrected for inflation), they are actually charging more.
In Australia, I just looked this morning and the 4080 supers are $2000. The original 4080 was $1800. So we get a fun and fair $200 INCREASE in price. I know you guys do your reviews in USD, but maybe a quick bit at the end if your videos with AUD pricing to being attention to the rip-off gauging happening here. Maybe throw Centrecom, scorptec etc some shade for it. Insane how a "price cut" somehow means a price increase, far out.
I'm not sure how long it's been, but my 1080 has been with me for a while now. I upgrade my whole platform to AM5 and my PSU recently, but not willing to support this current GPU market. I can wait longer.
All we want is the prices to go back to normal. The 60/60Ti cards to cost 200-250$, the 70/70ti 300-350$, the 80/80ti/super version 500-600 and the 90 or Titan version 800-1000$. Is that too much to ask?
Bought my 7900xtx along with a whole system upgrade in October last year. Love the upgrade and no regrets. Haven't gave cyberpunk a proper go yet but I didn't base my upgrade on one game.
Its a similar price to the 7900XTX(the 4080 super) and its the overall faster product. Does that mean AMD made an even bigger mockery selling an inferior product for the same price? This card should be at max $800 but then the 7900XTX needs to be like $700-750
@imo098765 Depends where you are in the world. In Australia, the 7900xtx is $400aud cheaper than the 4080super and $200 cheaper than a 4080. If you mainly play raster games like i do on a 144hz 4k monitor, its a easy choice. I actually got my 7900xtx 4months ago when it was cheaper than even now and paid $600 less than what a 4080 super is now. Extremely easy choice
Nah, cheapest xtx here is 200€ cheaper than the cheapest 4080 super, which costs as much as the best xtx model (sapphire nitro+) that I bought nearly 1 year ago..
All those years ago when I paid £450 for my gtx1080 I thought that was a stupid high price ..now it's £1000++ for an 80 series card ... Damn I wonder why consoles are selling so well.
Buying for Nvidia features is like chasing the dragon. They're just gonna keep pushing to make you want to upgrade no matter what. The features that are important for going team green is the program stability and functionality, more so than RT still. I mean, having to still use upscaling and frame gen to get "playable" frame rates is still moronic, if Alan walk 2 is the direction things are going. In that case, just forget about modern gaming drivel.
I picked one up not too long after launch to replace my old 1660 Super. Overkill for a 1080p monitor but it gives me the option to pick up a 1440p should the desire hit me or just not worry about it and enjoy skipping at least the next 2 generations of gpus.
RTX 4070 Super is pretty good for people who want similar rasterisation performance to the RX 7800 XT but with better efficiency and/or ray tracing. I still bought a 7800 XT myself though, and don't intend to replace it any time soon.
I say watch the deal sites for price drops and grab either one at the right price. Given the high entry fee, 4K gaming ain't quite ready for prime time.
Its a psychological thing. If they reduce prices of previous GPUs they are admitting a mistake, if they sell "better" GPUs at the same price they are being generous. Ofc if you have half a brain you can easily see the gaslighting, but never underestimate the stupidity of the masses my friend.
Here's the real Question everyone should ask themselves : If there's a 4070 Ti Super for 800$ that's on an AD103 and has roughly (give or take) the same specs from an manufacturing perspective like the OG 4080, why did the 4080 did cost 1200$ in the first place? Or, a different take : why does the 4080 Pooper still comes at 1000$? Nothing adds up here.
The RTX4080 Super really does feel like an exercise in marketing tactics - try and boost sales by making it look like great value compared to the original.
Due to the boom in AI applications they can sell every GPU they make almost regardless of the price. Gaming GPUs are approaching a nuisance level fringe market status for Nvidia.
I bought an XTX on Amazon Warehouse almost a year ago for $850 AND it included a $60 game i was about to purchase at full price. If 4080 was similar price I'm not sure which i would have gotten, but glad I've had 10+ months with a top tier card instead of waiting.
U call $820 used 4080a nice deal Dude.. I just bough brand new 7900xtx for $810 back in early 2023.. It's still rocking.. even better with UV/OC tune.. 384-bit 24GB bandwith is overkill in my 1440p games Lol
If my calculations are correct, the 4080 Super at $1,000 provides 15% better value for money than the 7900 XTX does at $980 when weighing rasterization and ray tracing equally. To provide equivalent value for money, the 7900 XTX would have to drop to $833.
@@plasmahvhand? The performance uplift hardly warrants a “Super” title. Might as well overclock the stock 4080 and get that 3% uplift or more anyways 💀
@@HazzyDevil no, the super is just a generic tagline to insinuate a mid cycle refresh. Whether it is to correct performance vs competition (the 20supers) or to just correct pricing (these 40 supers)
@HWUB Hallo there. I have a question that I ask myself since the release of the 4080. Why is the 4090 actually so slow? It has 60% more cuda cores and a >40% higher powerlimit, but is only 35% faster in 4k. It has even less of an uplift from the 4080 in 1440p. Did the 4090 hit some other form of bottleneck, like VRAM bandwidth or PCIe bandwidth? Will the RTX50x0 (5090) with possibly even more cuda cores show an even bigger bottleneck of some kind? Or is there possibly some kind of driver limitation actually holding the 4090 back?
I bought a RTX 4080 Super on launch day 😬 The price is what grabbed me. It's not a great value at $1k and I say hold off for a sale if you can and still want one. I couldn't get myself to spend the $1.2k+ on the base 4080. Only a couple of the 4080 Super's were sold at the $999 MSRP. The other 4080 Super's were going for $1050, $1100 and higher. Thankfully, I got one for MSRP. I'm happy with the performance, but mixed feelings about the price I paid for it. The performance difference between the base 4080 and the 4080 Super is disappointing, but at this point it'd be weird to go for the non-Super card at or above the MSRP of the 4080 Super. For my case, I felt it was worth choosing the 4080 Super over the 4070 Ti Super.
I have a 3080, and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade this generation. Hopefully the 5000 series offers meaningful uplifts in performance without having to go to the 90 class cards
I think it'll sell much more now. The (main) reason is it makes A LOT less sense to spend double the money for a 4090 now, when we're in the second half of the life-cycle for the current generation of graphic cards, than it made to spend 33% more for the same relative performance gain when these products were brand new. Thanks for your videos!
It won’t change anything; those who wanted a 4080 would of gotten one by now And those who waited will continue to wait for Blackwell; you are out of your mind to only buy into frame gen; the 4080 clearly has nothing going for it; no graphical improvement nor any stand out features besides frame power/wattage the thing barely has enough bandwidth for 4k with the same 16gb ram They knee cap the 80 series over and over and the 90 series is what you should of gotten if you were in that market; but it has been priced out hence why people are going amd Realistically do you want to have to wait to buy a gpu that took over a year to depreciate 17%? Poorly selling product that didn’t offer much to begin with besides being the next step down from 4090 is just bad consumerism
@@dvxAznxvb You say: "those who wanted a 4080 would of gotten one by now", "and those who waited will continue to wait for Blackwell" What about those who want to buy a graphic card now, who want to play at 4K now? They do exist, and the manufacturers are assembling and shipping cards today. I mean that your premise doesn't make much sense to me: we're speaking about sales in the current market, at the current prices. In the current conditions I think the 4080 (super) will sell much better now than it would have otherwise (which doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell that well, btw, since it did so poorly up to now). That said, nothing comes in my pocket from all of this, so I'm completely fine in keeping my opinion based on my reasoning, while you keep your opinion based on your reasoning. I'd just kindly ask for you and everybody else to refrain from direct answers to other people's comments that are phrased around things like "you are out of your mind". Thanks for your valid opinion, nonetheless.
@@Dempig As stated in the video, 4080 has good upscaling. You play at 4K with dlss, when needed. Only if you want high quality ray tracing, only in a very limited number of games you might have to go 1440p to get stable 60fps or more. (NOT talking frame reconstruction, just upscaling) Have a nice one, gotta go now. Peace!
Pricing was kinda insane. I really cant believe that my $1600 4090 actually can be considered reasonable. Obviously if we go by msrp for fps the 4080s is better, but the higher you go, the less valued it becomes.
In the EU it came out at 1250-1350 euros so the -200 dollars is literally nowehere to be found.... 1000 dollars my butt, pretty much costs the exact same here as the original 4080
Still rocking that 3080. Got a really nice performance bump when upgrading to a 5800X3D especially at 1% lows. I’m interested in picking up a 5080 or a 6080 since I actually use my GPU for work, could always expense part of it to my company.
Exactly what I expected lol. It was funny seeing people excited for this thinking it was going to be in-between the 4080 and 4090.. Even though the specs suggested a max around 5-6% performance increase as a best case scenario. What's even more funny is that the 4080 has been on sale for $1,499 here in Australia for 2 days and it still hasn't sold out....yet the super is going to be almost $400 more than this 😂😂😂 for basically the same performance. What is going on , it's also telling that even at $1500 the 4080 still wasn't selling well. Had it have been $1500 at launch it might of been a decent card, but now after all this time it's not worth it. Too little too late, the super needs to drop to that price and the 4080 $1300 imo
I'm looking to upgrade to a new computer from an i7-8700K and GTX 1070. Before this launch I was looking at the 4070 Ti and now I think I'm ready to get off the bench and get a 4070 Ti Super provided they don't explode in real price locally.
I am surprised you included data for the 4090, but none for the 3090 and how it falls in line with the 4080 amd 4080 super. None the less, your videos are very informative. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
the 4090 and new 4070 ti super bahbhj gpus are the ONLY two cards that are kinda decent from this gen well if you really don't think bout the monstrous prices.
At least in Australia this super release made the price of the OG 4080 go way down for clearance. Managed to get one for 1499 AUD. Now all the supers are more expensive than the original though despite the fact they are meant to be "cheaper" haha
It's not about gamers. Nvidia legit don't care about the consumer market at this point. What matters is what companies are willing to bulk buy for AI development and nothing else. I would love to go AMD but unfortunately I need NVENC for my workload.
Yet, y’all think over $2k is okay for a 90 tier class? (and don’t tell me “oooh that is actually fine because it’s the best card out here”. It doesn’t matter…. None are okay to begin with).
Bought a regular RTX 4080 Gaming OC two months ago for 1252 euros. Now, the all new RTX 4080 SUPER Gaming OC costs 1242 euros! I can definitely feel that 200 dollars MSRP difference. Oh wait, the retailers now have bumped up the price of the regular RTX 4080 by about 100-150 euros in order to make the RTX 4080 SUPER seem cheaper. The regular RTX 4080 Gaming OC now costs 1370 euros. Nice work! Won't even mention the extremely close to MSRP price of the RTX 4080 SUPER Strix :D *cough* 1499 euros *cough*
100% holding out for the next generation now. I've been a 60 series buyer up to now and it's bad enough finding out the price at this tier has doubled (or worse). I would like to have better performance, but the thought of moving from my 1060 that I paid $200 for to a 70 series card at $700+ is bonkers.
Can you guys explain why the 7900xtx and 4080 super are the same $999usd but in Australia the "super" is $2000aud + while the xtx can be had for $1500 (accurate for conversion rate)
This gpu should actually be $800-880. Maybe $900 but at $1000 is still expensive for just a gaming high end gpu. Is crazy you can get years ago for $800 the top high gaming gpu from nvidia with the 1080 ti. How times have changed 😢
I have a 3080ti and am struggling to game in 4k...I held off on the 4080...Not sure if i should get the 4080super or keep waiting for the rumored 5090 later this year...thoughts?
RTX 4080 Super has 5% more CUDA, Tensor, and RT cores. We all knew this like two weeks ago when the specs were released on all the new GPUs. No idea what people expected knowing this info.
In my country (Greece) The 7900XTX costs around 900 euros ($970) The 4080s costs around 1200 euros ($1300) I think AMD has a huge advantage as far as vfm is concerned
All I can say is the 4080 super is good news for me, I was going to bite the bullet and by a 4080 last year. I waited, got a 4080 super at MSRP for a much better price. Win, win.
It's too early in 2024 to have an intro that good. God, I watched it twice and had to laugh super hard. Steve's right though. These shenanigans need to end......
Seems like it's already bandwidth limited 3% faster memory and 3% uplift but it also has 5% more cores running 2% faster so you should have had at least a 7% uplift
Still happy with my purchase, I got the 4070 Ti for 700USD last prime day (july 2023). I wanted a 7900XT but price wasn't (and still) aren't competitive in Canada.
I had zero intention of buying a 40 card this generation cos they were all priced too high, but when the price cut was announced and I looked at Steve's orginal 4080 review and the 50% uplift over my 3080 it tempted me enough. If I had faith that Nvidia would sell a 5080 for $800 in a year and it would be available at that price I would have held out for that, but I don't. Maybe I'm part of the problem, but life is short and I'll take a 50% uplift (and more with DLSS 3.0) now over a possible better deal in a year.
RTX 4080: Horrible Price
RTX 4080 SUPER: Bad Price
Don`t think! Just buy it!
😂😂😂
Only NVIDIA could knock 200 dollars off, make it slightly faster and STILL have the price be bad. jfc.
The more you buy the more you save!!! 🤣
Still horrible given it’s a 14-15 months into a 2 year product cycle.
4080/4080s should have been $800
4070ti/4070ti S $600
4070/4070s $500
RTX 4080: hot flammable garbage
RTX 4080s: normal garbage
If the prices for GPU continue to rise we will have to play outside..
nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
get your money up
😂
I will consider "outside" just as soon as I figure out how to respawn.
or read a book or play less demanding games. a lot of visually impressive games are very lacking in other areas anyway
RTX 4080 SUPER at $1,000 which is $200 lower than the original 4080 is still ridiculously overpriced. Which says a lot about the current GPU pricing.
Sold out 😂
Yeah it's just bullshit pricing. Still around 200-300 usd more than it should be for this class of card like all the other older 80 class gpus used to be.
@@paveltelegin7736 Doesn't make it good value because it sold out instantly mate. Learn to use your head and not be a blind fanboy
All cards should get a 50% price cut to be honest
@@WyattOShea GTX 1080 Ti which is a flagship GPU with just 5GB of VRAM less than the 4080S was $700, lol.
What gets me is none of the retailers dropped the price of the original 4080 non-super. Still selling for $1200
They'll be clearance sales soon enough lol
Unchanged MSRP means that Nvidia themselves are still making the same cut on sales as they did from the release. Only manufacturers and retailers could make the cut, but they want the designer to cut the price first. You can still find places which have 3080 in stock, only because they never lowered the prices.
unless nvidia does a payback to manufactures or direct to retailers to allow them to drop the price, they're still on the hook for the original whole sale price they bought the cards for. so unless they're willing to take the margin loss they can't really drop the price.
@@sirmonkey1985 They’re never going to sell above the price of a 4080 super. They could have sold all these cards for $999 in december and early january and taken a small loss. Now they have to sell them under a 4080 super for an even bigger loss.
Shouldn't the 4080 be like $950? Why would you pay the same price as the Super? Riddle Me that.
Watch every store outside the US price this card above the standard 4080.
This. Lol.
£959 cards in UK 🤷🏽♂️
They should've priced the 4080 Super at $800, that's what it should've been from the very beginning
My country is not even selling the Supers, they want to sell the remaining non Supers first. Typical tactics in the Third World.
I live in egypt , the normal 4080 here costs 3000$
I felt so bad for Steve I sat through the sponsor spot.
I would say "this is the price it always should have been" but even then I'd be lying. $1000 for an 80 class is just sad.
A neutered 80 class too. Made a whole seperate 103 die for the 80 card now yet we were getting more cores compared to the full die when they were using the 104 dies on them (the same ones the 70's use), nice. I think itd be more acceptable at $1000 if it was the 3080 vs 3090 margin between itself and the 4090, especially with a 320 bit bus and 20gb of vram. Thatd actually be fine imo.
Agree with you absolutely. This card, shouldn't have been more than 900, and in reality I would have been only comfortable with a price if it was closer to 800 or $750. Anybody telling me whoa the previous generation... The previous generation was overpriced. This generation has been insulting, usury, spit in your face level of insulting... After all, despite the technical achievements, this die is actually what a 70 class card would have had in previous generations
@@marcm.
Really, 800 was already much more than inflation. So 800 is what it should have been. And that's with the RTX 4080 Super stats, not the original one.
And looking at the previous generation, the RTX 3080 was 700. People always compare it to the 3090, which makes no sense because that should be compared to the 4090 in pricing. Which the 4090 is still more.
That’s like saying 4090’s being priced above $2k is sad too. Why would anybody pay $1k more for a tier above 80 class?
For the record, 80 Ti cards have been $1000-$1200 since 2018 (2080 Ti MSRP was $999 but Nvidia's Founder's Edition was $1200 and so was the 3080 Ti).
The XFX 7900XTX was $799 at Amazon earlier this month, lasted a couple of hours at that price though.
I've been hovering sites for weeks after learning about that. About to buy one now for $910, watch it go back to $800 lmfao
Fun fact: I saw once about a month ago a new RTX 4080 super selling for 600€ on amazon Italy new. I didn't buy it both because I don't have the money for it and because I have a 1080p monitor and system so it would be useless. But to think that there was such a pricing is amazing. As an Amd guy, buying nvidia as a lower or even equal price than the radeon competitor would be amazing. If only the prices wouldn't be so stupidly high
So its just a 4080 with a 200 price cut, bruh.
Yup. In theory it's better overall. But the price is gonna hike up to standard 4080 so meh. Same thing.
I wish it was a price cut. These new cards are somehow more expensive.
lol. rtx 4080 super - 1300 euro, 4080 1099€ i dont see the price cuts
@@SweatyFeetGirl
Don`t think! Just buy! The more you buy the more you save!
😂😂😂
@@SweatyFeetGirl Where are you getting those prices? In Germany you can get them at the €1100-1300 range, which is actually around €200 less than what the 4080 was selling for in Germany.
the 7900xtx can be purchased for £870 in the UK whilst the 4080 super is north of £1000
Now the lads in the UK will be able to aford the cards due the gov. is banning the machetes so they will save money not being able to buy those and they can spend it on GPUs, is a win win for british sociaty
Can still get that sweet non super 4080 goodness for £1150😂
I'd never buy either of them.
In a year, they'll both be half that price.
@@Patrick-y4d1zNo they won't. Who on earth told you that rubbish😂😂
They probably think that because the 5070 will likely be just as powerful as a 4080 Super but at a lot cheaper price@@MrGts92
Poor Steve. Hang in there mate!
Thanks Steve
So naturally in Australia 4080 prices haven't moved and 4080 supers are listing for 25% over MSRP
У меня в России видеокарты от gigabyte aorus 4080-1700$ сша,4080super-1730$ сша полный трэш
Exactly how I thought it would go down mate, so much for all of those "the Supers will change everything" videos aye lol
And throw in GST.
$1300usd in NZ, all this hype turned out to be a huge waste of time. Non-super prices have also barely budged.
@@kalidesu Is GST included there Bro? Its included here.
theres just something so satisfying about seeing a dozen of gpu reviews all come out at the same time
I'm not even remotely interested in buying this product yet I will watch all the reviews
same lol @@tether23
When super cards were announced I thought that 4080S was meant to dethrone 7900XTX from it's second place, considering how minimal the difference between the two is, surely there's almost no way to for them to fail, even after the red flag being the same amount of VRAM. And yet, nvidia somehow managed to fuck it up. XTX is an awesome card btw, can recommend.
I prefer the more efficient 4080 super. I bought and would’ve kept the 7900 XTX if ran cooler and quieter
@@robertofranco4515 the xtx can be undervolted and you can have performace on par with the rtx 4090... 🤡
XTX is an awesome card if you do not care about image quality, performance with raytracing, and power consumption, yes. But if you care about these, then it is a pretty horrible card compared to competition. Which is sad, since I prefer AMD.
@@8Paul7how is the image quality worse with the xtx? I'm tossing up between the 2 and I haven't heard of this, cheers
Stop recommending $1000 graphics cards.
how could they fuck up so bad… they didn’t even make it faster than the xtx 😂
nVidia never gives you something for cheaper. They tried ripping off with the 4080 and now they are selling it again at the price it should have been, which is still too high. If you want more power you have to 'sell a kidney' for the 4090 😂
Space for 5000 series
If they made it faster how could they justify 4090 pricing?
@@chocholatemilkshake4799 What space lol. We've got at least a year till RTX 5000 series.
It’s the fully unlocked AD103 GPU, if they wanted to make it any faster they would’ve needed to switch to AD102 which would have messed up their product stack.
But they could have dropped the price of the 4080 to $1000 and released an AD102 4080ti for $1200.
The 7900xtx at 950 dollars for 4k remains the best choice for me
I found one on sale for $800. If you're quick and observant, you can still find great deals on the amd gpu's. Heck, I found a regular 4080 for $950 new once. It's still not worth it to me at that price. But deals still sort of exist.
It's fine but just keep in mind that a lot of newer games will require upscaling if you want 4k 120fps and DLSS is vastly superior to FSR.
950 is way too much.
800-850 at most
@@stunt296vastly superior simply isn’t true
it was on sale the other for 650
Pats 1080ti. Good girl, just hold on a little longer.
I've been hanging on to mine the last 6 years now...that card was such an anomaly
It is already feeling the weight of time.Let it go while you still can sell it for a good price.
Can't wait to upgrade my 1080ti to a 10080ti super
I'm died about a week ago I'm so sad it was such a good card. I'm still not buying 4080 super though. I'll wait and see what the next gen is like.
@PhilippinesLife101 yeah or just get an XTX for like 800 bucks...that card is insane for its price
Only the 4070 super seems to actually be an upgrade. That's why it was released first
And honestly its prob more than enough for 90% of people, so all good ... kind of ... i mean still 650€ here in Germany ...
@@NoMaD24623 99% of people
That's what I ordered.
The 4070 Super was an upgrade
The 4070 TI Super was a VRAM fix
The 4080 Super is a price cut XD
Got it for MSRP here in Spain and so far so good. I've got the Inno3d Twin X2, is fairly quiet, never goes over 72° and maxes out all my games above 144fps (except for TLOU but 100 fps is more than enough for a game like that) all while never exceeding 220w.
TLDR wait for the 5000 series espcially if you are on the rtx 3000 series
Well I'm waiting for it while on a 2060.
Well, a 5060 will be like a 3070.
5000 series for $5000
Waiting while on a 1080
I'm waiting for next gen and currently running a GTX 1070. I've decided to play older games in the mean time. Many new titles are woke trash anyways so I'm not really in a hurry to upgrade, lol.
Wow. $200 price cut and it’s still slower than the 7900XTX in all but ray-traced games. GoOd VaLuE. Hopefully the 7900XTX comes down to $850 so we can get a solid GPU for a good price for once this generation - as if that’ll ever happen.
Yea doubt it mate, maybe towards the end of the life cycle or after the release of the next gen. XTX dropped a bit here already from $2200 on release to $1549 for the Hellhound, not the best but allot better value than a $2000 4080S.
Let me correct that for you: In all by Nvidia Sponsored ray-traced games. Funny how that works, isn't it? In Cyberpunk 2/3rds of the RT effects look no better than the highest rasterised version, and if you enable the only one that actually makes sense (RT Reflections) the XTX keeps up perfectly well.
@@andersjjensen Yea I ran reflections in Cyberpunk but still it crippled my 3090, max settings I could barely hit 30FPS and path tracing forget it.. It was a slide show, not even the 4090 can do it so after running it in Cyberpunk I haven't bothered turning it on in any other games not that many of my games even support it. XTX is a great card and its $350 cheaper here than the 4080S.
@@pituguli5816 Uh, what? With RT Reflections set to High and everything else set to highest raster option my XTX runs Cyberpunk at ~95FPS @ 1440p. So unless you're getting hammered by the extra CPU power RT costs your 3090 should do that at 75FPS without problems, even at 4k with DLSS Quality.
@@andersjjensen It doesn't though, any RT setting cripples my 3090, I played through Cyberpunk 109 hours and I turned it off at around the 50 hour mark because the frame times were terrible.
4k no way not even close, I play at 1440p and this 3090 just can't do it. Even with DLSS quality which downscaled res to 1080p it mostly ran at around 50FPS with dips in the 40's in some areas but the frame times were horrible it felt like 30FPS.
Its not my processor I have a 7950x paired with CL32 6000mhz 2x16gb Ram and its installed on a 980 Pro 2tb NVME. Path tracing it dropped to 15FPS... Not even a 4090 can do it.
Here in NZ the prices have gone up, despite Nvidia dropping the price by $200.
😂
same in Aus feels bad
Only USA is safe when it comes to high prices of GPUs, everywhere else it's fucked up
@@phoenixgaming20 prices have gone down in Aus, I picked up a 4080 for $1549 AUD yesterday, that's over $300 AUD cheaper than the 4080 Super.
the more you buy
Remember, BOM cost on the 4080 founders edition card was $300 a year ago when 4N was an advanced node. They are probably down to 250$, so they’re likely making the same profit margin on the silicon/memory cost, and that’s why they were willing to lower the price.
In Australia the 4080 vanilla was available from $1499 AUD (street price from this week). Now the super variant is on AU sites from $1870 AUD
Not worth an extra $300-400 for the super variant
4080 vanilla may have been that previously but it's not available for that currently, more like $1700 so it's a $170 markup.
@@Mark_Williams. The PNY 4080 at MSY / Umart for $1499 has sold out. Though the next cheapest one is for $1599 on Umart (Galax GeForce RTX 4080 SG 1-Click).
But as the vanilla 4080 get bought bought up at some point the 4080 Super would be a better purchase
@RAM_845yup which is why j suggest AMD for friends then they're building. It's so much cheaper with far better future proofing if you throw CPUs in there
@RAM_845 No thanks mate my room is not that big and i dont feel like boiling alive. Especially with how terrible RDNA 3 is in efficiency at moderate loads. Ie optimum tech showed the 4080 super using 65w in overwatch 2 at 1440p while the 7900 xtx used about 210w. Sure in the lower midrange and below RDNA 2 is much better than ampere or lovelace in value tho but that's basically, lf not literally everywhere. Also u can buy used 3080's for $675 rn and thats like 25% faster, im not dumb enough to declare that its an ex mining card becuase the seller didnt disclose it but even if it was the 3080 is barely worse cost per frame while having all of nvidias features that matter like DLSS2 and reflex, im sure u care about reflex like i do if uve bought a 240hz monitor, no?
Thats the second dumbest thing I've heard all day.
Both Hardware Unboxed and Gamer's Nexus sound soooo jaded with this review, like they don't even want to do this anymore xD
its but obvious .. fir just 2 3 % gain, it is a hell lot of testing and pain in ass.
@@CaptainScorpio24they are in gpu hell.
Agreed, all the same they should both quit then, dead serious.
I mean they don't have to do it, they just won't get views and paid. I don't like my job, but it brings in money.
@@NathanAtkinson590average Redditor single digit IQ response
Yup, not upgrading or buying new. My i7-4790 + Quadro M4000 that I got back in 2015 is still doing what I need it do. If this keeps up I'll buy refurbished or used a few generations old.
Not supporting these stupid prices.
Yeah I'm still using a 1080, I hear you about prices being stupid. We need to vote with our money which will provides best results
I mean, it depends what your expectations are tbh. I would find your system absolute misery and I would rather just buy what I can afford that plays everything I want and accept that prices suck but not much I can do. If you have very low gaming requirements then you do you though but your PC isn't realistic for most people who want to play modern games and have a pleasant experience
Well it’s not going to get much better my guy. More than 43% of our currency was created during Covid.
@@drumyogi9281 Supply and demand, don't buy it
@@MaTtRoSiTyAs the guy above said "We need to vote with our money which will provides best results"
It's basic capitalism. I'm currently playing Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. In the game benchmark, I get a low of 26fps and a high of 50fps. Frametime is very steady.
PUBG I get 25-75fps. Most of the time 50-75fps at 1440p. I am in the top 15% of players on that game, I play competivly. I know I'll do better with newer hardware but I much rather have the extra money for a house or stocks.
if the 4080 wouldve launched at this price i wouldnt have waited months before deciding to go for the 7900xtx. The 12 pin power connector was also a thing, but well here we are.
same here, came from 1080 to 7900xtx)
I went from a 3060ti to 7900 XTX OC Very happy :)
It’s more reasonable to wait for the next gen at this point in time. Up to later this year, prices will likely steadily go down so you can avoid being ripped off by both companies.
that's optimistic, imagine waiting for 40series and you get $1.2k 80 card, now extrapolate this for 5080 with 10% more performance and $1.4k price tag :D
NVIDIA prices don't typically go down. They just stop making the old cards.
what are you waiting for to pay more money its not reasonable at all
More and more I realize just how genius Nvidia is. Because of DLSS and RT (they marketed these features as world changing and it worked) they can release poor value products at insane prices and people still eat it up. It is fascinating how well marketing can work when done correctly.
It's not pure marketing, DLSS2.* and RT do add value to people who will use those features, and unfortunately Europe need to do a bit of math to work out how much extra energy cost an AMD card will incur over it's expected lifetime. Whether the whole stack's pricing (inc AMD) needs a nerf to make the whole GPU market an enticing proposition is a different question.
For 3080 owners and above, the 4000 series shoud just be skipped. There's nothing that justifies these prices and cards unless you really wanna push 4K max settings RT.
Honestly, XTX here looks to be faster than I remember, especially at 4K
Techpowerup only has it as 2% faster (at 4k) than the 4080 because they run a very large sample of games (over 100), but most of them are old. The more new titles you include in the average, the better it does, and the further it also pulls ahead of RDNA2.
I wouldn't choose a 7900 xtx over a 4080 to play in 4k. Nvidia has far better upscaling. The 7900 xtx should be 200 bucks cheaper than a 4080 super.
@@poopoppy According to Newegg the cheapest 4080 Super in stock is $366 more expensive than the cheapest 7900XTX ($1275 vs $909). Those are the non-open-box, non-refurb models. And before you ask: The cheapest regular 4080 model is $20 more expensive.... so you're getting a way better discount on AMD than you're even demanding.
@@poopoppy 4K FSR Quality is the one exception from FSR: there's no noticeable difference (to 4K DLSS Quality) unless you freeze the image and start to search for differences that in motion are almost no real use case concern.
Good to see nvidia found a way to disappoint us with this but mostly the 4070 ti super. At least this one is a discount from the previous but the 4070ti being 3% faster was just a joke
its really not a bad deal if you look at it this way, its the cheapest card on green team with 16gb of vram, you get most of the 4080 performance for 200 less...i personally think its funny how people are pissed off about that, everyone listened to the hype from leakers and youtubers about how the 4070ti super was going to be the cheaper 4080. Nvidia was never going to do that when they had problems selling the 4080 in the first place. you will never feel the difference between the 4080 and the 4070ti super in game unless you are watching the frame counter, also if you overclock its basically a 4080 minus 5-10 frames depending on the game. I started out with a 4080 when they launched and then sold it because i wanted to try a 7900xtx and its great, but between AMD and game developers i switched back to green team for the better drivers and bought myself the 4070ti super, i cant tell the difference between the 3 when gaming! i was also playing at 4k 120fps and just recently swapped for a 1440p 165hz, im telling you i cant tell the difference especially with dlss. its a great deal for the money compared to the 4080's, if people want the real performance they need to jump the 4090 and forget NVidia ever made the 4080.
@@Amp_Edition 4060ti 16gb
also, 12gb vram is fine for gaming, the limiting factor is rasterization performance which is reduced by dlss.
@@Amp_Edition So you think 14 months of gaming wasn't worth 200 USD?
@nossy232323 you mean 400? 4080 is 1200 and the 4080s you can buy today is 1000. the regular 4070ti exists, I did not need a 4080, its just what I picked at the time because sales were so bad that nvidia gave the go ahead and gave 15% off to bestbuy customers. So I got 120$ off the 1200 price. All I'm saying is you don't need to spend that kind of money for the higher frame rates, especially with dlss and frame gen. The 4070ti and super variant can get it done easily! Iv had a 4080, I also have a 7900xtx that I'm selling because drivers are much worse than nvidia and I just didn't want to spend 1k or more on a graphics card anymore, especially when I seen the 4070ti super giving 90% of a 4080 and 95% if you overclock the piss out of it. For 200 less. I'm happy with it!
@@Amp_Edition I am comparing the RTX 4080 vs the RTX 4080 Super. So yes the RTX 4070 TI is a better deal and the RTX 4070 Super is even better looking from a performance to price comparison. It's normal that the lower you go in the product stack the better the "value" is. That's not what I was talking about here.
I personally find it a bad deal since the price is still high and you are better of getting real next GPU's normally.
I personally have a RTX 4090 which I bought about 1 year ago. I had a GTX 1080 before. I am fully aware this has a crazy price, but at least I keep my hardware for a long time, so my cost/year is still OK.
As someone who just sold his 4090 and went to a 7900XTX. Don't sleep on AMD. I know team green does a lot of marketing to brainwash buyers into thinking they are superior, but that 7900XTX isn't that far behind the 4090, at half the price. AMD just released driver level frame gen for folks, too, it works well enough. I know, I know, RT and all that. It's not quite there yet. Half the games I turn it on with, crash with RT on - Watch Dogs Legion, Hogwarts, etc. Crashes more on nvidia than AMD it seems, but I haven't measured it. Maybe next gen. On and AMD power connectors don't melt, like my 4090's did.
Yea I have a 3090 Bro and want to jump up to a 4k 144hz monitor, currently on 1440p 144hz. I went with an all white 7950x build so the Hellhound XTX for $1750 is looking pretty good plus yea no melting power cables.
@@pituguli5816 I have 4k 27" monitors at work and 1440p 27" monitors at home. Don't go 4k... it's really not worth it.
I hope that After the drunken days of COVID shortage we are slowly going back to the days when the top cads weee priced around 500/600€/usd
no@@Jmack1lla
@@Jmack1lla AUD or USD?
@@Jmack1lla How is that relatively in line? That's a 20% premium for a product that's already over a year old when comparing the 4080 at $1000 to the 980Ti after correcting for inflation, not to mention that it should be compared to the $600 980, not the Ti. The Titan X is most similar to the 4090, which is 50% more expensive after correcting for inflation and uses almost double the power the Titan X did.
Never happening. Once they saw what people were willing to pay during COVID, it was a wrap.
@@Jmack1lla A Titan X was $1315 corrected for inflation as you said, the 4090 is $2000. That's not 20%. Point being that it's not just the strength of the dollar(we already corrected for inflation), they are actually charging more.
In Australia, I just looked this morning and the 4080 supers are $2000.
The original 4080 was $1800.
So we get a fun and fair $200 INCREASE in price.
I know you guys do your reviews in USD, but maybe a quick bit at the end if your videos with AUD pricing to being attention to the rip-off gauging happening here. Maybe throw Centrecom, scorptec etc some shade for it.
Insane how a "price cut" somehow means a price increase, far out.
Man, I’ve been holding out for 8 years, looks like it’ll be 10
Same, my 1070 is still alive X)
Damn you have a weak card then.
@@dupond948don't like high refresh rate 4k gaming huh?
I'm not sure how long it's been, but my 1080 has been with me for a while now. I upgrade my whole platform to AM5 and my PSU recently, but not willing to support this current GPU market. I can wait longer.
@@jwest88 then you'll have a weaker, slower experience.
Good lord that intro to the product review! You did the whole point of the vid in 2 sentences...AND it was honest.
"Make it stop" lol 😂
All we want is the prices to go back to normal.
The 60/60Ti cards to cost 200-250$, the 70/70ti 300-350$, the 80/80ti/super version 500-600 and the 90 or Titan version 800-1000$.
Is that too much to ask?
The greedflation rate is like double the inflation rate, lol.
Never once regretted that I bought 7900xtx, all these super series are just a mockery of the user
Bought my 7900xtx along with a whole system upgrade in October last year. Love the upgrade and no regrets. Haven't gave cyberpunk a proper go yet but I didn't base my upgrade on one game.
Its a similar price to the 7900XTX(the 4080 super) and its the overall faster product. Does that mean AMD made an even bigger mockery selling an inferior product for the same price?
This card should be at max $800 but then the 7900XTX needs to be like $700-750
@imo098765 Depends where you are in the world.
In Australia, the 7900xtx is $400aud cheaper than the 4080super and $200 cheaper than a 4080.
If you mainly play raster games like i do on a 144hz 4k monitor, its a easy choice.
I actually got my 7900xtx 4months ago when it was cheaper than even now and paid $600 less than what a 4080 super is now. Extremely easy choice
Weighing up an xt vs xtx at the moment, would you recommend it?
Nah, cheapest xtx here is 200€ cheaper than the cheapest 4080 super, which costs as much as the best xtx model (sapphire nitro+) that I bought nearly 1 year ago..
All those years ago when I paid £450 for my gtx1080 I thought that was a stupid high price ..now it's £1000++ for an 80 series card ... Damn I wonder why consoles are selling so well.
GTX 1060 will still keep me going for a while
I live in eastern Europe and the card starts at 1400 euro and this is just for the cheapest option.
What is the VAT/GST in your country?
Buying for Nvidia features is like chasing the dragon. They're just gonna keep pushing to make you want to upgrade no matter what. The features that are important for going team green is the program stability and functionality, more so than RT still.
I mean, having to still use upscaling and frame gen to get "playable" frame rates is still moronic, if Alan walk 2 is the direction things are going. In that case, just forget about modern gaming drivel.
For 99% of us, the 7800XT is the only GPU on this list really worth looking at.
I picked one up not too long after launch to replace my old 1660 Super. Overkill for a 1080p monitor but it gives me the option to pick up a 1440p should the desire hit me or just not worry about it and enjoy skipping at least the next 2 generations of gpus.
RTX 4070 Super is pretty good for people who want similar rasterisation performance to the RX 7800 XT but with better efficiency and/or ray tracing.
I still bought a 7800 XT myself though, and don't intend to replace it any time soon.
For 99% of the 15% total gpu market share who are loyal AMD fans yes. The other 1% switch to team Green.
@@BPMa14n And buy which card..?
I say watch the deal sites for price drops and grab either one at the right price. Given the high entry fee, 4K gaming ain't quite ready for prime time.
Nvidia would rather release a Super series than to actually reduce the prices of the previous 40 series.
Its a psychological thing. If they reduce prices of previous GPUs they are admitting a mistake, if they sell "better" GPUs at the same price they are being generous. Ofc if you have half a brain you can easily see the gaslighting, but never underestimate the stupidity of the masses my friend.
@@NoMaD24623 quite correctly put
@@FirestormX9 Thank you, appreciate it! 😉
They did though lol watch the video
Because you'll still buy it at the higher price. Buy AMD if you really want to vote...
Here's the real Question everyone should ask themselves : If there's a 4070 Ti Super for 800$ that's on an AD103 and has roughly (give or take) the same specs from an manufacturing perspective like the OG 4080, why did the 4080 did cost 1200$ in the first place? Or, a different take : why does the 4080 Pooper still comes at 1000$? Nothing adds up here.
It's a profit making scam, innit
Buh buh buh maaa RT and DLSS go boom
The RTX4080 Super really does feel like an exercise in marketing tactics - try and boost sales by making it look like great value compared to the original.
Priced between $1800 to $2200 here in Australia. The price of my first car, it’s madness!
Due to the boom in AI applications they can sell every GPU they make almost regardless of the price. Gaming GPUs are approaching a nuisance level fringe market status for Nvidia.
Gaddamn, here in Indonesia is about $1100 (the cheapest that i can find the seller kinda iffy tho, for the Authorized seller is about $1200 )
@@adityaekapratama6320 I think he meant austrailian dollars, 1800 AUD is equivalent to 1171 USD.
The 4090 price in Australia is even more ridiculous
Hope this pushes the 7900xtx close to 800 dollar, that would be a buy for me. If not then I will just wait for next gen 😎👍
That's what i'm hoping for which will also push the rest of the stack down as well. $~600 7900xt, $400 7800xt
this shit aint gonna move 7900xtx unfortunately
@@neo4422 there's no way it's not. No one but a fanboy will buy a 7900xtx with only a $50 price cut.
@@StavroizationExcept its not $50 here in my country, its a $450 difference.
@@pituguli5816 yeah that's dumb lol
Stop giving these companies money.
I love the 4080 Super because the price cut put so much downward pressure on used prices that I was able to grab a used 4080 yesterday for $820. :D
Same, I bought mine today for $400 less
Just keep using those fomo idiots to your own use guys i swear you'll get lots of values from them! 😂
I bought an XTX on Amazon Warehouse almost a year ago for $850 AND it included a $60 game i was about to purchase at full price. If 4080 was similar price I'm not sure which i would have gotten, but glad I've had 10+ months with a top tier card instead of waiting.
U call $820 used 4080a nice deal
Dude.. I just bough brand new 7900xtx for $810 back in early 2023..
It's still rocking.. even better with UV/OC tune.. 384-bit 24GB bandwith is overkill in my 1440p games Lol
Could have had a 7900XTX for that price. Yet, now you're getting 90% of the performance for the same price
If my calculations are correct, the 4080 Super at $1,000 provides 15% better value for money than the 7900 XTX does at $980 when weighing rasterization and ray tracing equally. To provide equivalent value for money, the 7900 XTX would have to drop to $833.
1440p 3% faster... Wtf Nvidia 😂
what? it's the same chip as the 4080
@@plasmahvhand? The performance uplift hardly warrants a “Super” title. Might as well overclock the stock 4080 and get that 3% uplift or more anyways 💀
It was never about it being faster.
@@gucky4717 then that makes ZERO sense.
The Super series have always been about having decently faster cards for a similar/cheaper price.
@@HazzyDevil no, the super is just a generic tagline to insinuate a mid cycle refresh. Whether it is to correct performance vs competition (the 20supers) or to just correct pricing (these 40 supers)
So glad I purchased an open box 7900 XTX for $839 last year from best buy.
@HWUB Hallo there. I have a question that I ask myself since the release of the 4080.
Why is the 4090 actually so slow? It has 60% more cuda cores and a >40% higher powerlimit, but is only 35% faster in 4k. It has even less of an uplift from the 4080 in 1440p.
Did the 4090 hit some other form of bottleneck, like VRAM bandwidth or PCIe bandwidth? Will the RTX50x0 (5090) with possibly even more cuda cores show an even bigger bottleneck of some kind? Or is there possibly some kind of driver limitation actually holding the 4090 back?
Interesting take
Cheapest option I've seen in my area for this card is $1369.99 CAD. That is $400 more than I paid for my 3080 12GB. No thanks.
These Super variants made me sure that it's best to wait for the RTX 5000 to upgrade my RTX 3070, thanks Nvidia.
Still tanking à 1070 but I will wait until rtx 5000
3070 for upgrade? boy im still on a 1070ti
got the pcie bandwidth though?
If you can afford 5000 series!
Your 3070 will easily last next 3 years, you won't need to upgrade till 6000 series comes out, just my opinion
I bought a RTX 4080 Super on launch day 😬
The price is what grabbed me. It's not a great value at $1k and I say hold off for a sale if you can and still want one. I couldn't get myself to spend the $1.2k+ on the base 4080. Only a couple of the 4080 Super's were sold at the $999 MSRP. The other 4080 Super's were going for $1050, $1100 and higher. Thankfully, I got one for MSRP. I'm happy with the performance, but mixed feelings about the price I paid for it.
The performance difference between the base 4080 and the 4080 Super is disappointing, but at this point it'd be weird to go for the non-Super card at or above the MSRP of the 4080 Super. For my case, I felt it was worth choosing the 4080 Super over the 4070 Ti Super.
Holding out for the 5000 series from Nvidia or 8000 series from AMD at this point. None of the current generation cards are appealing.
I have a 3080, and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade this generation.
Hopefully the 5000 series offers meaningful uplifts in performance without having to go to the 90 class cards
We're not here for anything new, just here to support the channel. ;)
I would consider an upgrade from my 3080 if it was $750 max
I think it'll sell much more now.
The (main) reason is it makes A LOT less sense to spend double the money for a 4090 now,
when we're in the second half of the life-cycle for the current generation of graphic cards,
than it made to spend 33% more for the same relative performance gain when these products were brand new.
Thanks for your videos!
It won’t change anything; those who wanted a 4080 would of gotten one by now
And those who waited will continue to wait for Blackwell; you are out of your mind to only buy into frame gen; the 4080 clearly has nothing going for it; no graphical improvement nor any stand out features besides frame power/wattage the thing barely has enough bandwidth for 4k with the same 16gb ram
They knee cap the 80 series over and over and the 90 series is what you should of gotten if you were in that market; but it has been priced out hence why people are going amd
Realistically do you want to have to wait to buy a gpu that took over a year to depreciate 17%? Poorly selling product that didn’t offer much to begin with besides being the next step down from 4090 is just bad consumerism
@@dvxAznxvb
You say:
"those who wanted a 4080 would of gotten one by now",
"and those who waited will continue to wait for Blackwell"
What about those who want to buy a graphic card now, who want to play at 4K now?
They do exist, and the manufacturers are assembling and shipping cards today.
I mean that your premise doesn't make much sense to me:
we're speaking about sales in the current market, at the current prices.
In the current conditions I think the 4080 (super) will sell much better now than it would have otherwise (which doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell that well, btw, since it did so poorly up to now).
That said, nothing comes in my pocket from all of this, so I'm completely fine in keeping my opinion based on my reasoning, while you keep your opinion based on your reasoning.
I'd just kindly ask for you and everybody else to refrain from direct answers to other people's comments that are phrased around things like "you are out of your mind".
Thanks for your valid opinion, nonetheless.
@@Pedone_RossoI mean I game at 4k with a $600 6950 xt. The only games I can't run at native 4k, the 4080 certainly can't either.
@@Dempig
As stated in the video, 4080 has good upscaling.
You play at 4K with dlss, when needed.
Only if you want high quality ray tracing,
only in a very limited number of games you might have to go 1440p to get stable 60fps or more.
(NOT talking frame reconstruction, just upscaling)
Have a nice one, gotta go now.
Peace!
Pricing was kinda insane. I really cant believe that my $1600 4090 actually can be considered reasonable. Obviously if we go by msrp for fps the 4080s is better, but the higher you go, the less valued it becomes.
In the EU it came out at 1250-1350 euros so the -200 dollars is literally nowehere to be found.... 1000 dollars my butt, pretty much costs the exact same here as the original 4080
That’s depends on the country, Norway, germany, Poland its a price cut and msrp
Great video! 7900XTX would be a darling at $850
Retailer: “Let’s jack up the price to $1400”
Hope there will be a 4080 Super Ti card soon 😂😂
Still rocking that 3080. Got a really nice performance bump when upgrading to a 5800X3D especially at 1% lows. I’m interested in picking up a 5080 or a 6080 since I actually use my GPU for work, could always expense part of it to my company.
I coulda had a 7900 xtx for the longest but I have waited this whole time........ for THIS!?
😂😂 im sorry bro
i waited until september so there wasnt super announcement and i took 7900xtx) after today absolutely no regrets.
same... Held out for way too long, coulda bought it when it first came out but I expected better things coming
@@kristoffer3000just like I’m waiting for next gen, but watch the price/performance improve by 5-10% lol
@@Bunta1987qwerty Yeah, I'm just sick of my 3070, 8gb of vram is honestly just a joke.
Could you put the 3080Ti back in the graphics, please. It would be interesting to see the gain compared to the 80Ti of the previous generation.
Exactly what I expected lol. It was funny seeing people excited for this thinking it was going to be in-between the 4080 and 4090..
Even though the specs suggested a max around 5-6% performance increase as a best case scenario. What's even more funny is that the 4080 has been on sale for $1,499 here in Australia for 2 days and it still hasn't sold out....yet the super is going to be almost $400 more than this 😂😂😂 for basically the same performance. What is going on , it's also telling that even at $1500 the 4080 still wasn't selling well. Had it have been $1500 at launch it might of been a decent card, but now after all this time it's not worth it. Too little too late, the super needs to drop to that price and the 4080 $1300 imo
I thought them giving the card a price cut was a pretty clear message that it was going to perform very closely to the base 4080
I'm looking to upgrade to a new computer from an i7-8700K and GTX 1070. Before this launch I was looking at the 4070 Ti and now I think I'm ready to get off the bench and get a 4070 Ti Super provided they don't explode in real price locally.
Maybe just maybe if nvidia launched this thing at 850 back when the original 4080 launched they would not be in so much shit rn
They are perfectly fine. The cards are sold out.
I am surprised you included data for the 4090, but none for the 3090 and how it falls in line with the 4080 amd 4080 super. None the less, your videos are very informative. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
I have been wanting to upgrade my 3080. I was going to wait until the 50 series, but it seems like a year an half away. I just orded a 1,800 4090.
the 4090 and new 4070 ti super bahbhj gpus are the ONLY two cards that are kinda decent from this gen well if you really don't think bout the monstrous prices.
What are the rest of your specs?
12600k, 32 gb memory, 4k 120 oled monitor (klipsch rp 5.1 speakers with svs sub, Schiit stack with hifiman HE-560 V4, solid wood desk, embody gaming chair with an atlas headrest) @@MrAnimescrazy
At least in Australia this super release made the price of the OG 4080 go way down for clearance. Managed to get one for 1499 AUD. Now all the supers are more expensive than the original though despite the fact they are meant to be "cheaper" haha
Let's hope that gamers don't accept 80 class at 1000$ as a new standard.
Honestly, not only the price is increasing , but the 80 class does not mean anything anymore, it is not longer the flagship by a huge margin.
It's not about gamers. Nvidia legit don't care about the consumer market at this point. What matters is what companies are willing to bulk buy for AI development and nothing else.
I would love to go AMD but unfortunately I need NVENC for my workload.
Never
Already have....but thats changing ,as evidenced by these larger cuts in $
Yet, y’all think over $2k is okay for a 90 tier class?
(and don’t tell me “oooh that is actually fine because it’s the best card out here”. It doesn’t matter…. None are okay to begin with).
Steve you should've just done a community post for this review:
"This is our review of the 4080 Super:
Lol. But cheaper.
Steve out!"
Even at $1,000 I just can’t justify this card.
Perhaps at $750 it would make sense, but even then I still would be questioning the purchase.
Bought a regular RTX 4080 Gaming OC two months ago for 1252 euros. Now, the all new RTX 4080 SUPER Gaming OC costs 1242 euros! I can definitely feel that 200 dollars MSRP difference. Oh wait, the retailers now have bumped up the price of the regular RTX 4080 by about 100-150 euros in order to make the RTX 4080 SUPER seem cheaper. The regular RTX 4080 Gaming OC now costs 1370 euros. Nice work! Won't even mention the extremely close to MSRP price of the RTX 4080 SUPER Strix :D *cough* 1499 euros *cough*
RTX 4080 should be $700 at most
100% holding out for the next generation now. I've been a 60 series buyer up to now and it's bad enough finding out the price at this tier has doubled (or worse). I would like to have better performance, but the thought of moving from my 1060 that I paid $200 for to a 70 series card at $700+ is bonkers.
O my God haw can NVIDIA makes the 7900 XT even more appealing
The 7900XTX or the RTX4080, whichever gets to 800€ first, gets my money. I have spoken.
Great review, will hold out for 5xxx series, my 1080Ti still going strong!
That makes no sense especially if you dont have a 4k setup you'd just be paying for an expensive card and monitor
Can you guys explain why the 7900xtx and 4080 super are the same $999usd but in Australia the "super" is $2000aud + while the xtx can be had for $1500 (accurate for conversion rate)
Ngreedia bullied us into thinking that 1000$ for mid GPU is a good deal.
It’s not a good deal.
This gpu should actually be $800-880. Maybe $900 but at $1000 is still expensive for just a gaming high end gpu. Is crazy you can get years ago for $800 the top high gaming gpu from nvidia with the 1080 ti. How times have changed 😢
Time to get buyers remorse before I've bought anything...
I have a 3080ti and am struggling to game in 4k...I held off on the 4080...Not sure if i should get the 4080super or keep waiting for the rumored 5090 later this year...thoughts?
How could you be struggling with the 3080?!?
RTX 4080 Super has 5% more CUDA, Tensor, and RT cores. We all knew this like two weeks ago when the specs were released on all the new GPUs. No idea what people expected knowing this info.
I mean, even NVIDIA said to only expect maybe a 3% uplift. Really, most people were excited about the $200 price drop
In my country (Greece)
The 7900XTX costs around 900 euros ($970)
The 4080s costs around 1200 euros ($1300)
I think AMD has a huge advantage as far as vfm is concerned
All I can say is the 4080 super is good news for me, I was going to bite the bullet and by a 4080 last year. I waited, got a 4080 super at MSRP for a much better price. Win, win.
That intro killed me😂
It's too early in 2024 to have an intro that good. God, I watched it twice and had to laugh super hard.
Steve's right though. These shenanigans need to end......
I know that prices change constantly but the 7900 XTX is readily available at or below $950 in the U.S. now.
This GPU is truly one of the GPUs of 2024. Maybe even one of the GPUs of all time.
Seems like it's already bandwidth limited 3% faster memory and 3% uplift but it also has 5% more cores running 2% faster so you should have had at least a 7% uplift
Still happy with my purchase, I got the 4070 Ti for 700USD last prime day (july 2023). I wanted a 7900XT but price wasn't (and still) aren't competitive in Canada.
I had zero intention of buying a 40 card this generation cos they were all priced too high, but when the price cut was announced and I looked at Steve's orginal 4080 review and the 50% uplift over my 3080 it tempted me enough. If I had faith that Nvidia would sell a 5080 for $800 in a year and it would be available at that price I would have held out for that, but I don't. Maybe I'm part of the problem, but life is short and I'll take a 50% uplift (and more with DLSS 3.0) now over a possible better deal in a year.