Moon Knight Episode 5 "Asylum" Reaction & Commentary Review!
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Oscar Isaac really should win the Emmy for this episode alone. Masterclass
I think the show should to be fair 👍✌
better yet he should get an Oscar… 🥁
@@deathking1019 🥁🥁
@@deathking1019 an oscar for a serie??? That is not how this work
@@spunkymaniac9312 you do realize he acts in movies too
I know Marc's mother was grieving over the loss of one of her sons, but that's no excuse for putting her remaining child through hell all his life. The father did the best he could for Marc, but not enough to make a difference.
I notice why people in movie has DID problem..it always his mother causing their mentality disorder..
There's no excuse, not even grief.
She didn't move on and didn't let Marc move on.
Blaming the child is a sickening thing to do, if anything you should blame yourself for leaving your two young kids wander about unsupervised in the wild.
Indeed, fuck that bitch. She truly pissed me off.
You really think, you can control your your emotions when you lose your child ??? You think it's that simple??? I don't agree with that behaviour but I also can feel her.
What really gets me is this is the first mainstream series I've ever seen that unapologetically calls a mother an abuser and doesn't try to make excuses for her.
That in itself is amazing.
Hopefully we're moving forward in family realism.
We mostly see mothers in films as emotionally abusive, especially to their daughters, but to see a mother be both emotionally AND physically to their son? And no "You have to forgive your mother to move on" speech?
Rather funnily Mr Robot also tackled it while coincidentally also being a story focused around DID
D.I.D. Facts that were explored through this episode
-dissociative identity can only be formed through excessive and repeated childhood trauma
-alters have different roles. Marc is an emotional part and trauma holder. If I had to guess, Steven is a spiritual protector.
-Steven is most likely explaining a mix of childhood memories and pseudo-memories.
-Steven’s role in the system is to help balance out the emotional stress by holding no traumatic memories and fronting when the body’s under extreme stress
Yes..Maybe If there's Jake personality (which is hinted) he would be the miserable anxious character.. Even Steven didn't remember his child abuse
I don't know if you noticed, but I didn't ask.
@@ishaanupreti6438
well 57 other people asked so fuck off we dont need you
I really hope that Jake isn't a "murder alter" trope. My guess is that he is actually a Protector, whose role is to protect the body at ALL COSTS, but Marc's self-loathing bleeds into Jake, so he leaves as soon as he isn't needed, because fronting when he doesn't need to fight just increases that guilt, and though that leans close to the trope, it would be better than just a straight up serial killer.
@@Hey-Its-Dingo I hope so too. If I had to guess, he’s a physical protector that may start out as a persecuter alter
Oscar Isaac better get an Emmy for this.
100%
nah oscar needs an oscar
😂😂
@@hellfireking8353 Oscar is for movies though, unless he becomes involved in a movie this year.
@@frkzoid i know but it was a joke
This episode really hit close to me, I lost my brother when I was young, I had an abusive parent who was cut out of my life that died recently and I suffer several mental illnesses. To say I related to Marc this episode is an understatement, even standing in the street deciding if we want to say good bye to an abusive parent is something I did (and we both chose to walk away rather than face them).
Despite hitting so close to home, I give this episode 10/10
I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope you're doing well. This is probably the first episode of the show that I can't bear to watch for a second time. I was lucky enough not to experience any of the things in this episode, but my heart can't stop aching for anyone who went through something like this.
Am sorry you went through that. But never forget you are loved and very important
@@NeterRafi77 Thank you
The absolute best episode that Marvel has provided for us on Disney+
Truly amazing.
trash show marvel suck as always
Facts
I hope that the asylum reality is actually the real one cause that literally adds so much weight to Moon Knight's character and the series, plus giving the audience a sense that they haven't seen anything till now
@@fatalalejandro obviously it is
@@deep_7065 i think that’d suck but thank god it’s not
This episode solidified why Oscar Isaac is one of the most talented actors out there. The best episode so far, this is method acting at it's finest as portrayed by Oscar.
when he *is* 'Oscar' Isaac xd
method acting? do you what that is?
@@qwerttzizzi what is method acting?
Yeah it’s not method acting but he is a damn fine actor
@@qwerttzizzi this isnt it fam
In the comics, Marc had to come to terms with his alters before he FULLY became Moon Knight.
I suspect this was Marvel's way of fulfilling that.
To balance the scale...
*they need to do is to find the other one heart to be part of the scale* _(whole person)_ or *to kill the one fake heart to be apart from the scale.* _(a whole person)_
Man, waiting for jake is gonna be painful..
does that mean that the other whole person(jake) is not fake or... it doesn't count since marc doesn't even know jake at all. cuz there is one thing that this show taught me and it is that the scales never lie.
@@AhminYA they really really really holding out jake huh
@@AhminYA Jake is already in this episode, you need to see it carefully.
Sorry i need to find more words to my og post says, (english is not my mother tounge)
-Even tho he(Steven) assured himself(Marc) for not killing his brother, the scale will never be balance because something is still missing in that scale that make him "Whole"(Jake).
So the other way is to kill the persona that's in the scale and yet would still makes him a "Whole."
8:31 Sadly, in my own experience, is far easier to point out someone to blame, because the negative feelings that a parent is having have nowhere to go. And for the ones that are the victims, the blame is justified because no one has told them otherwise. That's why Steven telling Marc "it wasn't your fault" broke me.
how can you hold back your tears during his mom's funeral? i bawled my eyes out watching him breaking down.
Steven telling Marc its not his fault is a tissue moment for me
Marc went to the field of reeds, but he thinks of himself as a killer that has brough misery to others and was ready to let Steven live his life, without his presence. While Steven got to be in the duat, althought he was a good person.
Is...so tragic.
because steven was never real to begin with, marc created him as a way to cope and a way to think that he still has a 'happy normal life'. he went to the paradise because he was able to confront and accept the traumas without using steven. the scales balanced since marc was able to accept that he is a killer and steven was able to know and accept that he was never real.
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem I disagree. in DID, there isn't a real or fake one. All the "personalities" are alters, and they are all real. Marc Spector is the main personality or "host" but that doesn't mean that Steven is any less real than Marc.
@@danielruiz8259 what i mean by 'not real' is that marc only created him to cope, to escape the harsh reality. hes a real alter but hes not real in a way that he wasnt the original since marc created him.
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem Alright, but i still believe that Marc would have accepted being gone if that means Steven can have the closest thing to a life that Marc never had the chance to get.
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem there were 2 hearts on the scale so the Goddess acknowledged them both as individuals... so Steven was real too. And Steven's heart never disappeared from the scales so his heart balanced too (so belongs in the field of reefs too). IMO it was more Marc allowing himself to feel hurt by Steven's death.
This episode shows Marc himself has the ability to manifest personalities or alters on a personal scale without the intervention of Khonchu or any deity. 2nd, it shows why ignoring Jakes sarcophagus was foreshadowed not to be released cause he would have dammed Marc at the judgment. 3rd the ship used is a real life replica of King Tuts ship buried in Egypt. This show is an absolute MASTERPIECE.
“The ability to manifest personalities” bro that’s called DID 💀💀
Ahh i think you right about Jake one.
damn...i was really excited for jake
@@Wryyyyyyyyyyyyu Yes, but many theorists said that Khonshu caused it, but thankfully, this show cleared that it was actual DID, caused by Marc's childhood traumas. It's good that they went that route.
I actually think that the problem would've been solved if they had released Jake. The scales had to be balanced, and Jake and Steven are ostensibly opposites. They cancel each other out. That's why Steven falling off the boat balanced Marc. You either cancel the alters out or have none of them on the scale.
*this episode was by far one of the best pieces of content marvel has released in a WHILE*
Heartbreaking + Confused
Yess and wasn't it quite similar to Ep 8 of WandaVision, going through the events of childhood till the khonshu scene where he became Moonknight for the 1st time. Also Wanda in the hex was kind of a split personality she created to cope with her trauma
Yeah since Spider-Man: No Way Home.
@@toshtao1 no
@@apoorvsingh4459 EXACTLY LIKE MY THOUGHTS, and both episodes made me sob like a baby
Man 😢 I feel for Marc especially Steven knowing that he was trying to be a good kid trying to made his mum proud even tho he gets a hitting from his mom but after all of that, he doesn’t know his mum died.
I didnt understand..the kid was Steven when the mom entered the room..so how did the kid didn't know that she beat her?
@@qwerttzizzi i think its imply that Marc swap back and took the hit so Steven can live a normal life.
@@sorenman1 then why did he switch to Steven in the first place or was this the first time Steven appeared?
@@qwerttzizzi First time he appeared
@@qwerttzizzi That was the first time Steven appeared
I just woke up and then I watched Moon Knight ep 5 and, well, I teared up. Damn I feel so bad for Steven. And the backstory too is really hard. And of course, Oscar Isaac's acting is just so good!!!!
19:34 what i understood from D.I.D. is that the "orginal" is the one born and usually due to traumatic incident the person's brain will form a separate person to help the "original" cope, but these separate personalities are usually very different from the "original"
Edit: to clarify, they are separate people and there is no fake
Also the "original", known too as the "host", is the most prominent alter of them all.
Pretty much, yes. Alters are vessels for traumatic experiences that a single mind can't handle; Steven helped Marc gain closure, therefore serving his purpose and sorta melded back with Marc.
False, sorry. There is no original. People with DID always explain it with the glass bowl analogy. If you drop a glass bowl and it breaks into pieces, which piece is the original? There isnt one because they are all the original and no longer the original. All the alters are just splinters of the whole.
The comment that said the original is the host is also false. The host is whoever can cope the best. And sometimes hosts have been known to switch due to a triggering event so just because the alter you see most right now is the host now doesn't mean they were the host during childhood or during the teenage years. They may have had to become the host in order for the system to be able to cope.
@@danielruiz8259 I already said this in another comment but this is false. The host is whoever can cope the best. And sometimes hosts have been known to switch due to a triggering event so just because the alter you see most right now is the host now doesn't mean they were the host during childhood or during the teenage years. They may have had to become the host in order for the system to be able to cope. And none of them are the original because all of them are.
@@nbucwa6621 that's why I put air quotes, but thanks for the info
best episode so far! made me sob like a baby throughout the whole thing. so excited to see what happens but also don’t want it to end:( hope we get to see them again soon
Oscar Issac is putting on an award winning performance.
I think quite a few people didnt really catch on to the fact that "Marc/Steven" that tries to attack Harrow with the glass pyramid in the beginning isnt actually Marc or Steven.
i knew it by the accent
It was Marc the creator confirmed it
@@literally-nobody242 It wasnt Jake
The show takes place after Endgame. Almost every double decker bus in the first 2 episodes had an ad for the GRC from Falcon and Winter Soldier on it. GRC being the Global Repatriation Council that was created to help displaced people who returned when Hulk snapped everyone back. Also the date's on the passports.
You guys are almost there. Marc has to let go of Steven to learn to accept him. I think in this story Marc is all his alters and they are all him. We shall see.
Perfect conclusion... one step further, he had find some peaceful coexistence... becoming a whole person.
I really hope we can see more of Steven because I love him so much.
No. Alters are all their own people. They aren’t all the same.
@@dione__fernnn No they are not, they are fragmented parts of what makes a whole mind. Mark is the original(real) the other alters are fragments of the original. That's why the scales needed to have 3 hearts, because they are not their own person, they are just parts of a whole, that's what alters are.
People with DID are not many people inside one body that's a misconception, they are one person's mind framented to different parts giving the illusion of different persones inhabiting the same body.
@@dione__fernnn I would say yes and no. The alters are all different but there is only one system. The system is what Marc has to put together and reconcile. This is a fictional story trying to use DID to tell a story. In real life yes the personalities are different but the system or the space of all the personalities is how we deal with the person we know. I am trying not to talk in terms of personal experience but at least from my perspective you deal with a DID system as one person but you experience it through each personality. In this fictional story Marc is trying to come to terms with his system. In this episode the system he has had is breaking down because they have become aware of each other. Now he has to put a new one together.
Watching this episode was like re-living trauma from my childhood. It was very difficult and left me hollowed out afterwards. Watching reactions all day has been the only thing keeping me sane. Hearing people who aren't broken by trauma react to the terrible things that happened to Marc and Steven, and show kindness and empathy, really makes me feel understood, and I have spent my whole life having never been understood. My own siblings think I'm "the favourite". Yet I'm the only one who was ever hit with shoes, and stomped on as I lay on the ground crying. I'm the one our dad collected sticks for, bringing them home even when I was good, in anticipation of beating me viciously the next time I'm bad. I'm the one our mum called a dog more often than she told me she loved me. I haven't thought about that in a long time, yet it has affected every decision I've ever made. I wish I'd had a Steven, to protect me like that, to have my back, and tell me I didn't deserve what they did to me.
Sorry, I didn't intend to be such a downer. Fantastic video. Love the points you both make during and at the end.
Only thing I'd add is that this definitely takes place after the snap, as the GRC had an ad on the double-decker bus in Episode 2. The GRC, from what I can tell, was only established after everyone was snapped back (to reality) in order to get displaced people back into homes and help rebuild what they'd have lost in 5 years of absence.
The begin of the episode I think that was Jake the third personally because the way Oscar was acting is different from Marc and Steven imo
Yes, the first scene in the DR.’s office, is in fact Jake, you can tell by his New York accent.
That episode deserves some awards! For Oscar Issac's acting, story line and director.
I am blown away by Oscar Isaac's acting in this episode. Just phenomenal!
the scene where he is breaking down in the street, is haunting me. when he switches to steven, it almost looks physically painful. oscar isaac is just awe-inspiring and insanely talented!
@@RandomBlair the eye roll, the facial expression, the body language, EVERTHING was done soooo good. i rarely see an actor/actress do that. his performance in this show legit deserves an award.
@@RandomBlair Aswell as that moment when Marc starts yelling "You can't make me !" and slapping himself ... oof, that got me almost as emotional as the scene where he breaks down crying.
The third personality (Jake) did show up in this episode. He was the one who got injected... Notice the heavy New York accent Oscar Issac puts on in that moment.
True
Yess i think alot of people did not notice this
No it wasnt the creator confirmed it was Marc
@@Aisakevula It isnt true
@@BobbyBoomer1994 It wasnt Jake it was Marc. The creator confirmed it
God i criedddd, the end and when marc transitions from marc as steven on the read crying for his mom’s death, it was so tough to watch💔 Issac is a phenomenal actor🙏
That song at the end is something we used to sing at the church I used to go to 😅
I wish this was a movie, Oscar would win an Oscar for his performances hahaha
It's fascinating to me how everyone thinks of Harrow when all those prejudged souls are raining down upon the Duat, but rarely anyone is connecting this to Ammit. It is clearly not Harrow doing the reaping, he totally must have resurrected Ammit by this point, and became her avatar in the process. So all this devouring of souls business is clearly Ammit's doing, not Arthur's.
The ship part reminds me of the movie Soul. Ya know, with the memories, troubled souls and purple sand dunes
You are so close to 150k. Best of luck! Great reaction! Big fan of the channel.
The other actor known for playing multiples, though in a completely different context, will be starring in She-Hulk. When I watched her portray one clone, in Orphan Black, trying to pretend to be another clone, and ALMOST but not quite nailing it, I was blown away. I was watching, thinking “Wait… something isn’t quite right.” It was brilliant.
Tonight's ending of Steven not making through the Underworld was foreshadowed in episode one when the little girl in the museum asked Steven "And did it suck for you? Getting rejected from the Field of Reeds?".
Marc and Wanda having the most traumatic past life in MCU
This episode was so amazing and emotional. It was also quite similar to ep 8 of Wandavision, showing all the traumatic events of the past leading to him becoming moon knight finally
This was an amazing reaction, you guys really understood and seemed to have a lot of knowledge around this
Before the reveal I thought the view of Steven out on the street drinking from that flask across from his mom’s funeral would’ve Jake Lockley
Me too lol
How crazy how we are like really watching two different characters interacting to each other, I can’t believe it.
He's probably going to have to convince Osiris to change his mind about Ammit. Osiris rules the Field of Reeds hes the Pharaoh of heaven so if he wants to get back he's probably going to have to appeal to the king of the Ennead.
True, maybe if Osiris find out that the ennead council on earth is corrupt, hell help them
I’m pretty sure now that souls are being unjustly judged early he will unless he’s actually working with Ammit
This episode left me just speechless. Couldn't help but watch it again. Could not believe how much I cried. Everybody who was abused as a kid can identify. 😭
Of course Taweret has her nails done. "Archaeologists discovered Egyptian mummies, dating to 5,000 BC, with gilded nails and henna-tinted fingertips." Ancient Egypt was stylin!
It's insane how different this episode felt compared to anything else Marvel has given us. So much raw emotion, it felt nothing like a superhero show, and it's incredible.
Steven needs to come back somehow. He's the heart of the show. I think he's not really gone. This episode was amazing. Loved your reaction.
I find it so cute how the hippo ears keep like fluttering aw
I actually dont think it was letting go of steven i think it was accepting him. Steven when steering the boat was like if im you then i got this too and i feel like that was steven finally accepting marc. Which i feel like was the whole point of this episode. That steven learned more about his life and marc and he came to accept him amd then marc finally accepted him and that made the scales balance. Im curious though. Steven fell off but the scales balanced with both their hearts so couldn’t they get him and take him to the field of reeds. Or because he fell off it just doesnt matter.
Definitely the craziest episode by far like damn Marvel is killing it. If there is a 3rd personality I wonder if he’ll wind up saving Steven cause we don’t know what’s in that 3rd coffin yet.
Theory- that's the 3rd avatar Jake Lockley, he's in the beginning with a bandaid nose with Dr. Harrow. Notice the accent and attitude.
@@Aisakevula But that was so clearly part of the continuity of Marcs story.
@@SeeAndDreamify If u watch closely, Marc at that same time was with Steven and Goddess Tawaret. And after when Marc returns to Dr Harrow he doesn't have bandaid nose nor the New York accent.
This is post blip. They haven't set it out loud, but there are small hints. A freeze frame bonus is Marc's passport in the second episode. It shows when it was issued, which was during the blip. This means he survived the snap.
The fight on the boat was soooo moon knight comics I LOVE EVERYTHING about this episode
There’s a few tv episodes that take my breath away. This was one of them. Absolute class 🔥
Just when I thought I couldn’t come to love and care for a character as much as I did for Wanda in Wandavision! I did not expect Moon Knight to make me cry as hard as episode 8 of Wandavision, but here I am, with a eyes red and raw from wiping tears away.
It’s easy to dismiss Steven as just a “stress ball” but no, he is as much of a person now as Marc. And I hope somehow he comes back.
The "third one" (Jake) is the trauma holder of the system. Neither Marc or Steven knows he exists. That's why they past the sarcophagus without looking at it and why they both exit the room when Marc's mom beats him. Steven is here when Marc can't handle the mental pressure (his panic attack in his room, his total breakdown in the street), Jake is here when the violence is too high (his mom beating him)
Jake was the first iteration of the three alter egos, he had the bloody nose. He also had the stereotypical New York cab driver accent. "You're not a doctah?!?
Fantastic, episode. I loved the Black Panther reference. I also loved the psychological horror element in this series. I want to give Marc Spector a hug while watching this episode. Another thing I loved was Marc and Steven's interaction with Taweret. Taweret was great in this episode. Marc's mom had no chill. Steven calling Arthur Harrow Ned Flanders was funny. Oscar Issac was the perfect casting for Moon Knight.
I realized when I was watching the episode that when they ended up separating from each other at the end, where Steven was turned to sand and Marc went to the field of reeds, plays back to the scene of the first episode when the little girl at the museum asked how he felt being rejected from the field
meanwhile Jake Lockley hiding behind the door, watching Marc and Steven suffer and snickering xDDD
My guess is if Jake doesn’t have a heart metaphorically then his heart would not be counted physically. He kills at will.
this episode made me cry. and even watching with you guys im crying, dont know why. I dont relate to his trauma. just hits the heart.
i cried 3 times while watching this episode 10/10 best episode so far!!
This episode 5 is quite symbolic as it also represent the 5 stages of grief.. One being Denial to finally acceptance.
Marvel has already said Moon Knight is planned for more MCU stuff to my recollection. And with Blade and Elsa Bloodstone coming in, I feel like we may be getting Midnight Sons eventually. A team of supernatural-oriented Marvel characters that I really hope to see.
Also, this is definitely post-Blip. Ads for the GRC from Falcon and the Winter Soldier are visible in Episode 2. An organization specifically formed after Endgame to help displaced people who returned from being snapped.
Moon knight isntin the midnight sons
@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 Not entirely correct. He's not in the current incarnation of the team, but he has historically been a member of said team. As Mr. Knight, yes, but that's still him.
Even if he wasn't in the comics, the MCU could justify it via his supernatural angle as this universe has repeatedly done its own thing. Fully original characters with no comic roots, blending elements of both mainline and Ultimate Marvel together, combining attributes of different characters or giving them fully different personalities (depending on the character)....Just saying.
I don't know. Much like with Young Avengers, I feel we're getting a drip feed of characters who make up part of a famous team or who could qualify for said team in the MCU's version because they're planning on eventually just giving us a project(s) that fully forms it. We'll see where things go as time goes on.
@@FrozenTundra88 he was litterally never part of the team. That cover you saw was pitch art😂
@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 I heard Doctor Strange was the trick from that promotional cover who wasn't a true member of the team. (He formed it, but he doesn't directly participate in their missions)
That's also not fully correct, though. The Damnation storyline from 2018 had Moon Knight in its Midnight Sons roster.
Even if it was true, what of it? It's arguing semantics. That doesn't change that this is the MCU and non-traditional members who fit the mold could be a part of it in this version of said team.
We don't know if they are setting up Midnight Sons for sure, obviously, but the characters announced for that MCU Halloween special...Blade having a recent voice cameo and appearing fully later..Yeah. It's not quite yet at the level of all the Young Avengers teasing with all the previous live action D+ shows each having a character from that team, but they're definitely setting up something with this film/tv franchise being the epitome of 'long-term set-up for big payoff later'...or it's coincidence. We'll see.
They did indicate that it was after the Snap, though it was in subtle ways, like the GRC logo on the bus that Steven tries to catch earlier in the series, which was formed after the Snap.
2:26 This scene kind of reminds me of Michael Keaton's performance in the Batman movie where he says, "You wanna go nuts?! Come on, let's get nuts!" Oscar Isaac is an incredible actor man! 🙏🏽💪👏
I feel like with his death ,time is different. So him getting shot may have been seconds. So Layla maybe trying to save his life.
That is very possible because time and space work completely different in the Duat
@@ot7biasedmashups Like they said in Lost
SPOILERS……
“There is no NOW here..”
Moon Knight is an exercise in predicability being incredibly rewarding.
Welcome to series when Egyptians wrote and direct and put the music for it ,acting ( Layla and others ) and presenting their culture from their heart 🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬, thanks to Oscar Isaac for his amazing performance and for understanding the importance of the deep emotions in Egyptian culture
this episode has the similarity of episode 8 of wandavision
Great episode and great series 👍✌
At the episode 4, there is for sur a third persona because even Steven & Marc know who help them. But in comic book, Moon Knight have a power that can used in the season 2 of Moon Knight.
Love that the QR code next to the door actually works
There is a QR code for every episode so farm. Its great
Enlightening and sad episode. By the end of it you just wanted to give Marc a hug because of the trauma he suffered as a child. Give Oscar Isaac all the awards for his multilayered performance.
The Lemire influence is more potent and that Moon Knight origin scene goes hard. My absolute favorite episode of entire D+ marvel shows.
Ppl don't realize that we actually met Jake in this episode. He tried to kill Harrow
And you dont realize that it wasnt Jake. It was Marc
@@crazydiamond8654 ok buddy
@@JADTO Well its true. The creator confirmed it
sometimes psychologists go along with the fantasy, so pretend calling Marc/Steven's mom is something that might happen just to see where it leads. like a lady might get on the line and say a few words just to calm his alternate personality down to continue the session.
Something I thought was interesting, Marc (When he's ranting about the psych ward.) actually name dropped Crawley, the character who's credited as the street performer(Statue guy.) that Steven would talk to, who in the comics was a homeless man who worked with Moon Knight as a street informant.
Also, I think we do know that this is 'post snap' because a bus (I believe) in an earlier episode had a banner for the institution that was helping people deal with coming back from the "un-snap" or whatever we were calling it when Bruce brought everyone back.
Oscar Isaac was wasted on Star Wars... Wow. This guy, since Dune i've been seeing just so much talent out of him. Same thing with Jeremy Renner, seeing his other films he was almost wasted as Hawkeye (the disney+ series really did his acting talent justice). This was an amazing episode.
Marvel doesn't really ask actors to act, until these shows. Probably why I like the shows more now.
It's post snap. There was a poster of grc on the bus in ep 2. Grc was in falcon and the winter soldier.
RIP Steven 😔
Today is my birthday and this episode hits different but I liked it a lot kind of reminds me of the drama on WandaVision it was so good.
Every episode just gets better I love the way I don't know what I will expect each episode or how it will end I just know that this show is my favorite mcu by far Oscar Isaacs is phenomenal steve character is my fave hope he isn't gone for good x
I suggest you go back and watch the first interaction between “Marc” and Dr. Harrow in this episode. Pay close attention to Marc. The way he acts, the way he sounds and the way he looks. Then compare that to him in the other Harrow scenes. If you pay close attention you should see something/someone you didn’t on first watch.
I did notice that but stil didn't get what it really means though
@@khoailang9470 it’s almost like it’s a different person.
It wasnt Jake. It was Marc, the creator confirmed it
@@khoailang9470 It was Marc. Nothing else
@@crazydiamond8654 yeah but it was definitely a reference to Jake with that bandage on his nose. But I still don't think he's gonna show up in this season
I think the scales didn't balance before cuz they had 2 hearts for 3 alters, but then when Steven "died" by falling off the boat they had 2 hearts for the 2 alters left, so it balanced
I think this establishes Moonknights background and he will show up in cameos like Scarlet witch did prior to the wanda vision show
I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but as an Egyptology nerd I wanted to offer some explanation just to help you guys understand what the weighting of hearts ceremony does, the outcomes, and what the Duat and Aaru (Field of Reeds) actually are, at least from a mythology standpoint.
The Duat was not considered Hell in the way monotheistic religions portray it with all the hellfire and anguish and whatnot. The name in Egyptian is actually "dwꜣt", a biliteral word combining "under" and "world" (which some still debate, but either way it's words similar to that meaning), but it makes it more like a form of purgatory than anything. The link people make to it being like hell is mostly because of it being a subterranean realm, just like where the location of hell is described in other religious texts.
Every soul goes to the Duat for judgment. For those who have hearts lighter or in balance with the feather, they are allowed to leave the Duat and ascend to Aaru, where they live their afterlife in eternal peace, prosperity, and rest. Aaru is similar to heaven, but it's more of a paradise full of an abundance of crops, wealth, and prosperity. Ushabti figurines (or in this context, it's actually shabti figurines) represented servants who would help the deceased do manual labor or chores when they reached Aaru, allowing them to rest and relax peacefully without the worry of having to tend to the crops or make food.
For those who are unbalanced, they remain in the Duat to wander eternally, facing constant challenges as they try to find balance, some never finding it at all and remaining frozen in sand, consumed by their guilt. This is why Marc began to turn to sand in the finale, it was the guilt of not being able to save Steven weighing down his heart. However, if a person's soul is able to heal and shed the guilt weighing their heart down, they can petition to be judged again. If they are judged again and their heart is lighter or in balance with the feather, they are reincarnated for a second chance to reach Aaru with that life. They retain no memories of their first life so as to not influence the true nature of their soul with the result of their initial judgment. Marc had already made it to Aaru, so he was not reincarnated or judged again, he was just yeeted back into his body through Osiris' gate.
However, if the person is deemed unworthy with a heart heavier than the feather, their heart-and essentially their soul-is fed to Ammit and consumed. The person's very being is destroyed. No afterlife, no second chance.
And that, to the Ancient Egyptians, was a worse fate than any hell a monotheistic religion could create.
If Oscar doesn't get a fracking Emmy for this it would be a damn shame.
OMFG, this episode was f'in brilliant.
I am beyond speechless.
This show deserves ALL the Emmys, especially Oscar Isaac! This has to be his magnum opus as an actor.
Also, to FINALLY hear the name "Moon Knight" in this show smiled my soul.
Don't tell me Steven Grant is gone, or I will lose my mind.
This episode broke me dearly.
I better see Oscar Isaac get his Emmy this year, or else I will freak out.
I can't imagine what the finale next week will be, and I am hyped to see it.
Now im convinced the 3rd personality casket was just a nod to us fans from the comics.
With DID there *is* actually an original. You aren't born with it, it gets forged through repeated childhood trauma. It can only manifest during childhood because that's when you're slowly getting personality traits, interests etc. When your mind is under extreme stress at that time certain characteristics get split off. Each alter becomes their own person then and they each develop differently. Some might stay children forever while others (like Steven) age at the same pace as the host. Steven's role is a spiritual protector where he fronts when Mark is under extreme stress (especially emotional stress). That's why he doesn't remember any trauma at all.
Jake is probably another Mephisto moment. Lol
Was the Sarcaphogus shaking.... or.... was it Jake-ing hahahahahaha
This might have been said below, but this is post Hulk-snap, because we see billboards for the GRC introduced in Captain Winter Falcon
Layla would be sad if she heard that steven with a V is gone now
19:45 I think the 'there is no original' is more philosophical/consideration for the alters than anything. DID isn't (just) genetic. It's not something someone is born with. It has to come from (usually) repeated trauma at a young age.
So before these traumatic events the person only has one 'personnality'.
Marc was that person before he experienced the traumatic events.
Maybe it'd be better to say who they were born as instead of 'the original' ? Idk myself. I usually use the word 'host' (but that doesn't always mean the 'original' it means the alter that is the most often fronting) to describe Marc.
The idea of there being no original can also come from the fact that DID affects memories and perceptions a lot. It's often, if not always, accompanied with amnesia. Alters can also modify another alters memories, like we've seen in that episode with Steven. In the birth of an alter, there's elements of who was child!Marc that went into Steven and left 'Marc'. So Marc too was 'modified' in different ways. The Marc of before the traumas isn't the same Marc of after the DID started (and I'm not talking about the obvious reasons here but the 'sharing' of who was Marc between Steven and the 'new' Marc). In that sense yeah there's no 'original'. But there's still an alter who was born as Marc, experienced that trauma, subconsciously created alters to deal with that trauma, and still identifies as Marc today. So for the sake of brevity, we can say Marc was the 'original/host'.
I like how informed on DID you seem to be. It's very welcomed among reactors who watch this show!
It's also why I don't think the message of the episode was that Marc had to 'let go' of Steven. Marc *just* started the healing process in that episode (I know in fiction everything is accelerated but still). Fusion can happen between alters but that didn't look like a fusion at all, and alters can't die. Marc seemed very desperate to get Steven back and distressed to have lost him.
I think the answer lays more in a supernatural/philosophical/comic direction. Now that they've teased the appearance of Jake a few times, so many people were expecting to see him in ep. 5. For him to not show up, to our knowledge, means he'll have an important role to play in the final episode.
Marc is now in the field of reeds, not where he wanted to go, and as stuck as Steven is. I don't think there's s way for him to come back, unless there's an alter who joins back with their body, and by coming back to life, brings them back with him by extension. There's only one alter left on that boat who could do that.
Poor Taweret, having to both Ferry the dead AND weight their hearts because Anubis is sealed in a statue like Khonshu and the others.
This episode makes us realize that Konshu is the real villain. He knew that Marc is broken inside, thus easy for him to manipulate the already unstable Marc. Or worse, Konshu might be involved in his brother's death so that he can shape Marc's destiny of becoming his warrior.
How would he be involved in his brothers death? Marc wasn't living in Egypt as a child. They were in Chicago.
Randall Spector comes back as the serial killer Hatchet-Man, then as Moon Knight's nemesis, the terrifying supervillain Shadow Knight.
Great reaction guys. I loved this episode a lot. I'm pretty sure we saw Jake in this episode in the first scene with Harrow. His face was messed up. He seemed to have a slightly different accent. He was very aggressive, grabbing a glass pyramid to use as a weapon. I'm pretty sure that was the only scene with Harrow where one the altars had to be tranquilized. To me, that seemed like a visual representation of what Marc's been doing this whole time. He's been heavily suppressing Jake. Marc created Steven in response to the abuse by his mother, and Jake I believe in response to the trauma of Bushman killing everyone and almost killing him. That's my theory anyway. I can't wait for the finale.
I’m pretty sure that was Jake (the third personality) in the first scene with Harrow, the one that gets sedated. I don’t even know how I didn’t realize how different Oscar Isaac acted from both Marc and Steven. He has like a Brooklyn accent and his eyes and facial/body expressions are very different. He’s also more violent than both of the others as he was gonna stab himself in the eye.
I think that Jake is the one who would come in and protect Marc and Steven from the beatings their mom did to them, which would explain why Steven doesn’t remember their mom being abusive. And it would explain why he’s the most violent one
It wasnt Jake. It was Marc