I just realized that the sand zombies were never even trying to take away Steven. They were only going after Marc. Steven’s entire purpose was to protect Marc so it makes sense that he had to sacrifice himself to balance the scales. This show is amazing 🥲
It’s incredibly tragic how easily Marc let’s himself believe he’s insane. You can tell it’s something he’s believed the whole show- that he’s just crazy and that that makes him lesser.
the fact that he wasn't driven to total insanity by sheer overwhelming guilt from those deeply tragic events which many ppl might've been says alot about his character tho. not to mention his mother's relentless torment and a father unwilling or unable to stop it means he had no allies for his mental stability the remainder of his childhood in that house
Usually when I'm watching a movie or tv, I'm aware that I'm watching both the actor and the character at the same time. But I kind of forgot that Marc and Steven were being played by the same person in this episode, and that they weren't actually interacting
He wasn’t impressive. He was phenomenal. After multiple films and TV shows, I would now argue that this episode gives us the absolute best acting performance in a Marvel property to date.
*EASTER EGG/PARALLEL* The way Steven turned into a statue looks almost identical to the way Crawly sits on the bench near the fountain like a solid statue! Even the hand gesture is similar and both act as a 'stressball' to someone else!
This is a great example of why therapy is so important. The whole family needed intense grief therapy, especially the mom. I wonder what time period it was when Marc's brother died. It feels like the whole family was isolated in too many ways, no one to step in and see what was happening, so tragic!! Ironically, the therapy Marc was getting in the 'mental hospital' was really good! He and Steven faced what they needed to face. Maybe they integrated enough so that both will return to life and share their body.
Marc and his family are American so it could be set right now and be accurate to the lack of mental health care, and the stigma toward it, in the country.
I would posit Marc's childhood was late 80s or early 90s, basing that on Oscar Isaac's age. I think mental health support was going into an upswing then, but it had far to go, and I doubt understanding of DID was great at the time (though it was known, as MPD).
Your video really clicked into place for me that Marc really needed to come to the realization that he was worth saving. I was just too busy sobbing to notice that.
Having had a...... difficult let's say relationship with my mother for year's, been on the receiving end of an abusive parent and then having her die suddenly back in 2020 without resolving much of that with her, this episode hit hard. Bravo Marvel for going this hard, my absolute favorite episode of any superhero show, let alone MCU show.
A parent projecting his or her own grief/insecurity/trauma onto their child and the child looking for a way out, creating a coping mechanism really hit close too home. I was watching this episode questioning if had my own version of Steven.
it's interesting. because this episode reminds me of the Wandavision episode where Agnes takes Wanda back to revisit all her memories, and having lost a partner, that episode hit me the hardest for the same reasons
I feel the same way. I identified with this episode because of similar experiences that eventually triggered physical and mental health problems. It really hit me hard 😞
The fact that they chose to have Taweret be the god present for this is surely no mistake. Sure, it makes sense in terms of a lot of the mythology of traveling to the afterlife, but the story of what was going on with Marc fits in thematically with her in a way, given she's the goddess of 'motherhood' and 'children', but also the cleansing of the soul, all things Marc had to deal with in this episode.
When I watched it I thought it was primarily because they are connected by an oath with an Egyptian God, used power from that God and interacted with those Gods and their avatars. So if Bucky died while in Wakanda, fighting back to back with the Black Panther, he could easily end up on the ancesteral plane. Hmm... I wonder what would happen if an Egyptian avatar like Moon Knight drank that magic flower that grows in Wakanda? You know - the one that every Black Panther drinks after inheriting their powers. Would Moon Knight just saw people like his dead mom and other ancestors or maybe the Egyptian Gods? He could even organize a meeting between Khonshu and Wakandan Gods.
@@Ryuu44 Well, regardless to that, I was more speaking on the creative story telling aspect of it, not so much the in universe reasons for why it was happening.
@@Ryuu44 my thought is the magic flower they drink is the magic power of the goddess, Bastet. Ya, I know it's actually from outer space stone or something but what if it's from the place where the Egyptian Gods really live? With that, Bastet can have her avatar without directly interfering her avatar.
Just an FYI, I don't actually think that's Harrow somehow "invading" their little personal purgatory. I think it's just another aspect of the understanding that Marc and Steven have created for themselves in that realm, and "Dr. Harrow" really is only there to help them make sense of it. The reason it's Harrow is because he's an adversary with horrifically good intentions. He accepts things for what they are, even when their evil, but he still seeks to fix things that aren't right (even if his methods are pretty monstrous). He's really ideal to help them sort out their shit. Obviously he's wrong about the fantasy part, but if you pay attention, he did set them on the right path to dealing with their trauma instead of ignoring it and hiding it away. Marc and Steven see them as the enemies they remember, because they DON'T want to deal with it, so anything or anyone who tries to get them to, feels like an enemy to them. But Harrow isn't cruel or bloodthirsty, he's just doing what he thinks needs to be done. That's why he's the doctor in their little corner of that afterlife. It's not the actual Harrow, or even a vestige of him...just their mental interpretation of him relative to their current experience. There is no better teacher than one's enemy.
"I need to keep it together," you said. This is an episode about childhood death, childhood grief, parental neglect, child abuse (both psychological *and* physical), self-blame for tragedy, and the very complicated emotions when someone who was a big part of your life, but abusive, dies. Anyone who can fully keep it together for this episode has no heart. It destroyed all the rest of us, too.
Before I even watched the episode, I caught your tweet where you stated that, “Moon Knight Episode 5 was one my favorite things Marvel has ever put out.” Though I’m not sure if I’d go entirely that far, this was, I will say, one of the most impressive hours of television that Marvel has ever produced.
Oh my God, the joy on your face from that "remarkable" pun. :D People seem to be giving the dad a lot of criticism for not stopping it (or trying to stop it) but we don't know that. Besides, you know how little chance fathers have of getting sole custody of their kids after a divorce? Here in the UK, where this seems to be taking place, it's only 17% of cases. If Marc's dad tries to do that, there's a good chance his son gets left alone with one abusive parent.
Not to mention these are his *_memories_* not necessarily a complete picture of how it went down but as he said when he was leaving home he blamed his father for not doing more so he obviously FELT like his father didn't help, but who knows how much his father did that Marc didn't see, or that didn't register or happened when Steven was around, etc... Memories are so often majorly imcomplete. :)
I think people want to make the Marvel TV shows so much bigger and inter connected and are disappointed that Marc's DID wasn't from Thanos or Mephisto. The core of this show is about a man handling a disorder that many deal with. So I think this episode is so pivotal to Marc's story that I am fine that we missed Ammit being released. MoonKnight is top tier storytelling.
This is one of the best thing’s that the MCU has done. I don’t get why some Marvel fans believe that there needs to always be action. This is a showcase of just how good of an actor Oscar Isaac is.
I always insisted in comments of previous episodes on the fact that there are supernatural elements in Marc's story but their DID isn't one of them. Their DID came about from natural trauma and needed to be as realistic as they could make it. And they did that. I'm proud of them for that
I think they handled this beautifully, and I think it was especially poignant that it basically stated outright that both he and his alter both had their own identity and 'soul' :)
Thank you for being one of the only people I've seen call out the dad's role in the abuse. I've seen people say things like "well at least his dad was nice!" and ...no, that's not how abusive childhoods work. If you are a parent it is your responsibility to protect your child and keep them safe, and when one of the parents is an abuser, that means taking action to stop the abuse, get your child out of that situation, or get that parent out of your lives. Marc even calls him out on that when he's already an *adult* (in context I'm guessing 18 and leaving for the military) and his dad is still saying "she'll get help!" No, it was HIS job to get her help a *decade* ago, and if it didn't work or she refused to take it, it was HIS job AS THE ADULT to get his son OUT of that situation (for example, by *divorcing the woman who is abusing your son*), and he failed to or was unwilling to do either. There's many, many codependent enabler parents married to physically or emotionally abusive parents out there, and just because they aren't beating their kid themselves doesn't mean they aren't abusing their kids themselves by perpetuating or enabling the existing abuse.
Dope episode. I loved the Black Panther reference. I also loved the psychological horror element in this series. I want to give Marc Spector a hug while watching this episode. Another thing I loved is Marc and Steven's interaction with Taweret. Taweret was great in this episode. Marc's mom had no chill. Steven calling Arthur Harrow Ned Flanders was funny. This series is still hinting at Jake Lockley. The visuals in this series are amazing. Oscar Issac was the perfect casting for Moon Knight.
Enlightening and sad episode. By the end of it you just wanted to give Marc a hug because of the trauma he suffered as a child. Give Oscar Isaac all the awards for his multilayered performance.
DID is usually the result of sexual or physical abuse during childhood. In DID, each alter is a vessel/container of the trauma experienced by the child. Basically, an alter was created because the child could not handle the severe sustained trauma that he/she is experiencing at the moment so he/she created an alter to basically take over the mind and body. DID usually happens in childhood because that is the time when we are sort of piecing together different traits/characteristics that we’ll develop as we grow up into one whole personality/identitiy, but in DID this process gets disrupted and shatters into pieces, hence, the creation of alter/s.In order for the mind to survive from the trauma each alter may lock up the memories of trauma, and it’s up to the primary alter/host (Marc) to access that whenever he/she is ready. Steven is seen as the protector of the system so like Marc said he is there to essentially be a "stressball".I like how Moon knight represents them as needing one another because without they would essentially be unable to cope and if need be there will be more alters in the system as hinted at in the episodes.
I thank you for your explanation. Very helpful. But how is it that Steven is the one to have no memories of the abuse when we see that Marc created Steven in that moment then his mother came into the room? They way it was shown I would think that since Steven was the one present that he would have the memories.
@@Fhornergal Marc the host chose to withold that information from Steven,it's talked about in a bit when Marc says "I gave you a mother that loved you". It's essentially locked up from both Steven and Marc but Marc is the only one that can share that memory with himself or Steven when ready. Edit:hope that helped clear things up 😁
Lets say it all together: Oscar Isaac is the BEST actor Marvel ever hired and the script he was given in Moon Knight is WICKEDLY STELLAR! This whole show is bonkers in the best way possible! (I think it is clear that the writers/producers of the show spent a lot of time studying the REALITIES of Dissociative Identity Disorder as many big elements of it fits well with those realities; rather than the usual Hollywoodian clichés)
Welcome to series when Egyptians wrote and direct and put the music for it and presenting their culture from their heart 🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬, thanks to Oscar Isaac for his amazing performance and for understanding the importance of the deep emotions in Egyptian culture, and I cried so much , this episode is so much to digest
That last scene broke me. Oscar Izzak's performance somehow perfectly captures the emotions some people go through when they look at something, someplace that is really relaxing, calming, and peaceful but know dang well the fact that they wouldn't be able to soak into that moment and enjoy it because of certain things they are struggling with in their life.
What a tough watch this episode was but I agree with others that this must be one of the most affecting episodes Marvel has produced so far! I just wasn't expecting the intensity but it makes sense that such severely traumatic events would fracture someone's mind like that. Thank you for your reaction.
People who have seen Being Human (UK) may know why this episode makes her want to watch it! (She's commented it's on her list before, but so much good new stuff keeps coming out for her to react to!)
I was a mess during and after this episode. It made me so emotional. I lost my Dad on January 2nd so death of a parent hit me hard and the ending... I was NOT okay! But the episode was just so good.
I love how they portrayed Marc and Steven’s backstory it made me feel bad for both of them and I just really cried during the entire episode so yeah amazing reaction and have a great day love ya 🥰
well i felt sad but when something's not real...i dont get attach to it and make myself sad i admire and leave it at that...i can control my emotions...i hope u understand kid
I completely agree that this is one of the best productions Marvel has made, yours is the 3rd or 4th reaction I've seen to this episode and everyone comes to the same conclusion, that this is a beautifully written episode of television, nevermind it being a Marvel show, this is how you write a character in a short show, this will be the standard a lot of shows are held to, especially like superhero stuff from now on
This episode was so beautiful and tragic, and it so meaningful for marvel to tackle abuse and mental health the way they did. Your analysis after your reaction was really thoughtful and true, i loved it.
Mark is the main. Steven to escape from the abuse, but when the attacks came, Steven couldn't accept that aspect of their mother. So Steven created Jake. An Alt created an Alt. That's why when Steven was frozen there was balance because Jake is an Alt of Steven. Jake was the alt that was speaking to the Doctor while he was showing the damage to his nose. His accent and demeanor were totally different. Somehow, I think Jake is going to save the three of them. Because he IS a separate person the way Steven is. So somewhere, he is still free to act.
What an amazing series. To go from the straight up horror movie vibes of the last episode to the psychological complexity and emotional depth of this one is no mean feat.
I watched the episode this morning, man that was brilliant and so hard to watch. Even though it was pretty clear what the arc was going to be early on it was so well done that it just breaks your heart. Man Oscar Isaac is a brilliant actor, especially since he used his brother as the other character for each of their scenes together. Love your reaction as always.
This episode was hard for me… simply because I can relate to this character on a personal level I have a rough relationship with my mother that often leaves me feeling like Marc… man this episode was difficult for me
I am not ok. This was so much. It was fantastic and the best I've ever seen from Marvel but it was hard. And I find myself now being angry at me, because I don't want Steven to go. I like him so much, but at the same time I want Marc to heal. He needs and deserves healing so much and healing for him will eventually mean that Steven has to go but not like this. I am not ok with this. I can't imagine how they will wrap up EVERYTHING in just one episode. I secretly hope that next episode is either 2 hours long or that they will give us a 7th episode as a surprise. Needless to say but I'll do it anyway. The cast here is incredible and Oscar Isaac ...wow. I totally forgot that Oscar Isaac is playing both characters. It felt like two people. He is amazing. I cried almost through the whole episode.
Oh man. I haven't watched you since the Leftovers. And now you pop up on my recommendations during an episode that reminded me so much of the 2nd to last series finale of the Leftovers!
not surprised it blew you out. its...a lot. there are still so many questions- mark and steven are both dead? how can moon knight save the day? is it up to jake? will Layla free khonshu? will she become the next avatar? it looks like Amrit is already free, so will some other god or goddess reach out to our heroes? all this and more, on the next MOONKNIGHT.
Marc has a type subconsciously, Jake made a date with the girl at the museum that resembles his mom. Layla resembles his mom. Marc searched out Layla for forgiveness from her that his Mom would never give him. This show has layers upon layers.
lol in what way did the girl at the museum resemble his mom. they look literally nothing alike. she was much darker, with kinky/curly hair, and a completely different figure. and Layla is Egyptian/middle-eastern. just because they're women doesn't mean they all look alike XD
It's hard for me to judge the father. He had a lot on his plate and he was grieving too. We saw things from Marc's point of view, so we aren't seeing the family's full story. Mom checked out after Randall's passing, that much is clear. And from the looks of it, at least from what we saw, Wendy (Marc's mom) only tormented Marc when his father WASN'T around. His father wasn't present for one birthday and THAT'S when his mother came into the picture with drink in hand. She also beat him when his father wasn't around. Marc's dad clearly handled things better than the mother, and he did what he could to keep a roof over his family's heads while being a friend/father to his son and husband and caregiver to his wife while also grieving himself. It's disappointing that family, friends, rabbis, etc. weren't there to help the family out--if they were, we didn't see that. Marc's dad appears to be unaware of physical abuse Marc was going through, possibly the verbal one's too as it looks like the full force of it happened when he WASN'T around. Marc became a different person and suppressed much of that abuse. He experienced abuse for sure, but I bet most of it was recognized after he switched back to himself. The scars his mother left, the physical ones might not have been visible too, keeping Marc's father in the dark. The fear she put him through likely made it impossible for Marc to tell his father about it too. We shouldn't forget that Marc still loved his mother despite the hell she put him through. He could say goodbye to her in person, but he sure did grieve for her in the middle of the street and he still called her to check in, albeit as Steven, but this episode showed us that Marc and Steven are in fact the same person and that Marc was just suppressing a past he didn't want to come to terms with. As depressing as this episode was, it was a fantastic story. Moon Knight's story is my new favorite story in the MCU. We still have a finale to see, but I don't see them dropping the ball now after five solid stories. Everyone has brought their A-Game for each new chapter. Emmys for everyone! EDIT: 30:27 Marc absolutely knew the truth. He was going to give everything to Steven because Steven represents the best of Marc. Steven is Marc's hero, and who doesn't want to be their hero? The longer things went on, however, the harder it became for Marc to let go, and Layla entering the picture after he had successfully pushed her away made that even harder for him, as she was the one thing he was proud of as himself. Steven had shown Marc that he couldn't protect Layla and that was a problem for him. Marc was at odds with himself. He believed that he needed Steven, as Steven was his safe spot and the best of himself. Layla is special to him, someone he truly cannot live without.
I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but as an Egyptology nerd I wanted to offer some explanation just to help people understand what the weighting of hearts ceremony does, the outcomes, and what the Duat and Aaru (Field of Reeds) actually are, at least from a mythology standpoint. The Duat was not considered Hell in the way monotheistic religions portray it with all the hellfire and anguish and whatnot. The name in Egyptian is actually "dwꜣt", a biliteral word combining "under" and "world" (which some still debate, but either way it's words similar to that meaning), but it's more of a form of purgatory than anything else. The link people make to it being like hell is mostly due to it being a subterranean realm, just like where the location of hell is described in other religious texts. Every soul goes to the Duat for judgment. For those who have hearts lighter or in balance with the feather, they are allowed to leave the Duat and ascend to Aaru, where they live their afterlife in eternal peace, prosperity, and rest. Aaru is similar to heaven, but it's more of a paradise full of an abundance of crops, wealth, and prosperity. Ushabti figurines (or in this context, it's actually shabti figurines) represented servants who would help the deceased do manual labor or chores when they reached Aaru, allowing them to rest and relax peacefully without the worry of having to tend to the crops or make food. For those who are unbalanced, they remain in the Duat to wander eternally, facing constant challenges as they try to find balance, some never finding it at all and remaining frozen in sand, consumed by their guilt. This is why Marc began to turn to sand in the finale, it was the guilt of not being able to save Steven weighing down his heart. But, if a person's soul is able to heal and shed the guilt weighing their heart down, they can petition to be judged again. If they are judged again and their heart is lighter or in balance with the feather, they are reincarnated for a second chance to reach Aaru with that life. They retain no memories of their first life so as to not influence the true nature of their soul with the result of their initial judgment. Marc had already made it to Aaru, so he was not reincarnated or judged again, he was just yeeted back into his body through Osiris' gate. However, if the person is deemed unworthy with a heart heavier than the feather, their heart-and essentially their soul-is fed to Ammit and consumed. The person's very being is destroyed. No afterlife, no second chance. And that, to the Ancient Egyptians, was a worse fate than any hell a monotheistic religion could create.
OMFG, this episode was f'in brilliant. I am beyond speechless. This show deserves ALL the Emmys, especially Oscar Isaac! This has to be his magnum opus as an actor. Also, to FINALLY hear the name "Moon Knight" in this show smiled my soul. Don't tell me Steven Grant is gone, or I will lose my mind. This episode broke me dearly. I better see Oscar Isaac get his Emmy this year, or else I will freak out. I can't imagine what the finale next week will be, and I am hyped to see it. Also, props to newcomer Antonia Salib as Tarweret. So adorable and charming.
Theory #1: Opening sequence = JAKE the 3rd ALTER!!! Notice the broken nose, slightly different accent, smooth grab for a stabby weapon, mention of releasing a monster, and the difference in overall demeanor. My theory is Jake appeared to do the job Marc is supposed to do for Khonshu = Marc will whip your ass and kill but only when absolutely necessary but I don't think he's truly a killer so Jake comes out to kill for him and then disappears again. Theory #2 = 'Loss' of Steven via Marc coming to grips w/his horrible childhood = that alter is no longer needed as a coping mechanism and will hopefully be reintegrated into Marc. I hope that means he now has all the knowledge of Steven going forward. Theory #3 = Jake and Steven were created simultaneously with Steven as the coping mechanism and Jake to take all that abuse from mom. Unwarranted abuse = anger/rage = Jake is the Stabby Joe personality. This is why Steven has no memory of getting his ass whooped by mom - Jake took all of that for both Marc and Steven.
Hold out some hope. Sometimes, after understanding why they are the way they are, an alter will give up themselves, and heal into the other selves, (balancing their soul, in a manner of speaking,) ALSO Marc didn't need to accept it. Stephen did. Now...They are still fully blocking out Jake. As long as one alter continues to exist, all alters can be restored to "life," due to the persistent nature of trauma. One of our alters had faded, but when a shared trigger (where a single truama triggering event hits two switch triggers,) she came back within minutes of me switching out with the other alter that was triggered. Again, persistent trauma. So, Stephen may return if something triggers Stephen at the same time as Jake.
That’s… an interesting point. I think we can safely assume that Mark is an unreliable narrator, but to what extent does his own self deception go? Did he lie to Layla about his mom still being alive but not on speaking terms, or did he lie to himself that that was the case? Is Layla being sarcastic knowing that Mrs. Specter is dead and that they were estranged? So many questions still, and I don’t want this series to end next episode. I’m just so fascinated in this story.
@@calibadgerdude6082 mom's wake seems to be the event that caused steven to take greater control, stranding layla for months. so it looks like a safe bet mom was alive during the marriage. of course, layla knows only whatever mark may have told her about his mom.
Steven must have made Jake to take the physical abuse - that's why when Steven blacked out on the rooftop in episode 5, Jake took over and killed that guy on the rooftop. Jake is seen with a broken nose and New York accent.
The translation of the song at the end... "Past the sun, I have a place (lugar) a home (hogar) a way (llegar) passed the sun. I have a place, a home, a way passed the sun, passed the sun...
First off, hats off to Seska - I love how emotionally connected she gets in her reactions. Second, I'd consider getting the DVD/Blueray of this series JUST to get the writer/director commentary for this episode. If there was ever a TV episode that would merit one it seems like this is it. I don't know if they usually storyboard TV shows but given the number of cuts, reveals, abrupt scene changes and heavy emotional content here I'm not sure how else you'd go about it. Thirdly, I continue to find the scoring for MK the best of the Marvel shows so far. That song at the field of reeds at the end was a perfect fit Final thought, if I have to choose a reality between a mental institution and a sand cruise with an adorable, cheery hippo lady, sign me up for the boat.
For some of us with crappy childhoods, this one was triggering. They did put a contact for help at the end of it, so I guess they were prepared for it.
Actually you don't notice it but this episode has the hidden 3rd personality Jake Locker he appears in the scene with the broken nose as he's violent and his Voice changes it's also why the scales don't balance as Marc had a 3rd personality who's his version of Tyler Durdan the Uber Masculine personality who is the violent killer and is the one who asked for the steak dinner date in episode 1
This episode broke my heart, Isaac was so good in this it blew my mind, not many Moon Knight presence through the 5 episodes but honestly I don't mind ^^ Tawaret taking the role of Anubis here was a bit weird but she's quite adorable :) In the mythology (according to some sources) the dead travels on the river through the godesses gates and then got judged after, but here they did it at the same time, it feels more like Greek mythology, but it was still really cool and the most important was Marc and Steven's journey in their memories, I was really sad for them, and I'm gonna miss Steven :( It left me with several questions about the lore, if Ammit is imprisoned, what do the gods do to the unworthy souls now? Does anyone practice egyptian polytheism nowadays? ^^
For some reason I had thought that Marc had died at some point and then Khonshu put him into Steven’s body. I didn’t realize until this episode that they were alters from childhood trauma. It definitely hit hard to see the memories from the past and what he went through. I was crying a lot, especially when Steven fell off the boat.
as much as we love steven, marc will NEVER heal until steven is gone. steven represents all the trauma and all the hurt and all the self loathing. he was made so marc can escape reality whenever he can't take it anymore. the thingy balanced bc steven was gone. he already faced/acknowledged the truth, he already forgave himself... the last thing to get rid of was Steven... 😢
Marc's dad might not have known about the abuse. It might have occurred when he was out of the house, and with Marc coping by compartmentalizing the events it might never have come up. Marc is the main Steven is the happy one Jake is the one who took the beating?
I just realized that the sand zombies were never even trying to take away Steven. They were only going after Marc. Steven’s entire purpose was to protect Marc so it makes sense that he had to sacrifice himself to balance the scales. This show is amazing 🥲
It’s incredibly tragic how easily Marc let’s himself believe he’s insane. You can tell it’s something he’s believed the whole show- that he’s just crazy and that that makes him lesser.
the fact that he wasn't driven to total insanity by sheer overwhelming guilt from those deeply tragic events which many ppl might've been says alot about his character tho. not to mention his mother's relentless torment and a father unwilling or unable to stop it means he had no allies for his mental stability the remainder of his childhood in that house
Oscar Isaac was so impressive this episode. And the story of the origin of his multiple personalities was just heart breaking. Sooo good
Usually when I'm watching a movie or tv, I'm aware that I'm watching both the actor and the character at the same time. But I kind of forgot that Marc and Steven were being played by the same person in this episode, and that they weren't actually interacting
He wasn’t impressive. He was phenomenal. After multiple films and TV shows, I would now argue that this episode gives us the absolute best acting performance in a Marvel property to date.
He deserve an oscar
Watch SPLIT,
James McAvoy plays 23 different identities
@@rishadaltair3029 Emmy
fun fact: they actually foreshadowed steven's death in the first episode when he was talking to the little girl about the field of reeds
I don’t think Steven is gone, we have one more episode they’ll find a way to bring him back.
its jake time
@@dylancole1910 Osiris will most likely resurrect him when Marc helps stop ammun
*EASTER EGG/PARALLEL*
The way Steven turned into a statue looks almost identical to the way Crawly sits on the bench near the fountain like a solid statue!
Even the hand gesture is similar and both act as a 'stressball' to someone else!
and Steven's clothes are from episode 1 first scene, it's jake we see in episode 5 first scene, the guy with the bloody nose.
If ANY Marvel tv episode gets Emmys, This One!! Writing and acting!I t's so good, if this was the last one, I'd be okay!
This is a great example of why therapy is so important. The whole family needed intense grief therapy, especially the mom. I wonder what time period it was when Marc's brother died. It feels like the whole family was isolated in too many ways, no one to step in and see what was happening, so tragic!! Ironically, the therapy Marc was getting in the 'mental hospital' was really good! He and Steven faced what they needed to face. Maybe they integrated enough so that both will return to life and share their body.
seems like steven is dead
@@jack_rabbit As long as Marc is alive, Steven can never be totally 'dead', plus I think he's too important to the Moon Knight character.
Marc and his family are American so it could be set right now and be accurate to the lack of mental health care, and the stigma toward it, in the country.
I would posit Marc's childhood was late 80s or early 90s, basing that on Oscar Isaac's age. I think mental health support was going into an upswing then, but it had far to go, and I doubt understanding of DID was great at the time (though it was known, as MPD).
Only until recently has therapy been more readily 'acceptable'. Families usually kept family issues private, and swept issues under the rug.
Your video really clicked into place for me that Marc really needed to come to the realization that he was worth saving. I was just too busy sobbing to notice that.
this episode reminded me of Wandavision, the episode when Agatha takes Wanda back to revisit all her memories/her grief
Yup. I felt the same.
Both times, I was not ready for the deep-dive we got with the respective characters. :'(
@@FrozenTundra88 why did you watch it then...such hypocrisy
@@rajatsingh5902 What are you talking about? xD
@@rajatsingh5902 you wrote this comment just for the sake of writing one didn't you? Please enlighten us on where the hypocrisy is
2 things about the show: It's never boring, and it always ends with you wanting more.
This episode had me in tears. Arguably the saddest episode of the Marvel Disney Plus series. Oscar Issac is outstanding
Yes! It feels like mcu is not just movie or series for kids again :)
It felt a lot more like the Netflix Marvel shows where they went deep with the character’s tragic past & it’s tough to watch yet adds so much depth
It's between this episode and Wandavision semi finale for me
Me too... literally crying almost the entire time... what a beautifully heartbreaking show
Having had a...... difficult let's say relationship with my mother for year's, been on the receiving end of an abusive parent and then having her die suddenly back in 2020 without resolving much of that with her, this episode hit hard. Bravo Marvel for going this hard, my absolute favorite episode of any superhero show, let alone MCU show.
A parent projecting his or her own grief/insecurity/trauma onto their child and the child looking for a way out, creating a coping mechanism really hit close too home. I was watching this episode questioning if had my own version of Steven.
it's interesting. because this episode reminds me of the Wandavision episode where Agnes takes Wanda back to revisit all her memories, and having lost a partner, that episode hit me the hardest for the same reasons
Good on you. And same. The scene with Steven being lost on that street got me with the dissociation. Man!
I feel the same way.
I identified with this episode because of similar experiences that eventually triggered physical and mental health problems.
It really hit me hard 😞
ep 5 is one of the most brilliant bits of TV I've ever seen probably 2nd only to the last episode of chernobyl
The fact that they chose to have Taweret be the god present for this is surely no mistake. Sure, it makes sense in terms of a lot of the mythology of traveling to the afterlife, but the story of what was going on with Marc fits in thematically with her in a way, given she's the goddess of 'motherhood' and 'children', but also the cleansing of the soul, all things Marc had to deal with in this episode.
When I watched it I thought it was primarily because they are connected by an oath with an Egyptian God, used power from that God and interacted with those Gods and their avatars. So if Bucky died while in Wakanda, fighting back to back with the Black Panther, he could easily end up on the ancesteral plane. Hmm... I wonder what would happen if an Egyptian avatar like Moon Knight drank that magic flower that grows in Wakanda? You know - the one that every Black Panther drinks after inheriting their powers. Would Moon Knight just saw people like his dead mom and other ancestors or maybe the Egyptian Gods? He could even organize a meeting between Khonshu and Wakandan Gods.
@@Ryuu44 Well, regardless to that, I was more speaking on the creative story telling aspect of it, not so much the in universe reasons for why it was happening.
@@Paxtin Oh, I understand now. Sorry about that. I can agree with this perspective a 100%. This choice fits almost on every possible level.
@@Ryuu44 my thought is the magic flower they drink is the magic power of the goddess, Bastet. Ya, I know it's actually from outer space stone or something but what if it's from the place where the Egyptian Gods really live? With that, Bastet can have her avatar without directly interfering her avatar.
Oof, this episode had me tearing up throughout all the flashbacks, and of course I'm tearing up again watching Jess lol
I’m crying so loud now that Steven isn’t alive anymore ☹️🫵
well when was we?
Just an FYI, I don't actually think that's Harrow somehow "invading" their little personal purgatory. I think it's just another aspect of the understanding that Marc and Steven have created for themselves in that realm, and "Dr. Harrow" really is only there to help them make sense of it.
The reason it's Harrow is because he's an adversary with horrifically good intentions. He accepts things for what they are, even when their evil, but he still seeks to fix things that aren't right (even if his methods are pretty monstrous). He's really ideal to help them sort out their shit. Obviously he's wrong about the fantasy part, but if you pay attention, he did set them on the right path to dealing with their trauma instead of ignoring it and hiding it away.
Marc and Steven see them as the enemies they remember, because they DON'T want to deal with it, so anything or anyone who tries to get them to, feels like an enemy to them. But Harrow isn't cruel or bloodthirsty, he's just doing what he thinks needs to be done. That's why he's the doctor in their little corner of that afterlife. It's not the actual Harrow, or even a vestige of him...just their mental interpretation of him relative to their current experience.
There is no better teacher than one's enemy.
"I need to keep it together," you said. This is an episode about childhood death, childhood grief, parental neglect, child abuse (both psychological *and* physical), self-blame for tragedy, and the very complicated emotions when someone who was a big part of your life, but abusive, dies. Anyone who can fully keep it together for this episode has no heart. It destroyed all the rest of us, too.
Before I even watched the episode, I caught your tweet where you stated that, “Moon Knight Episode 5 was one my favorite things Marvel has ever put out.” Though I’m not sure if I’d go entirely that far, this was, I will say, one of the most impressive hours of television that Marvel has ever produced.
This was like Bates Motel, Inside Out, and WandaVision wrapped in one.
Oh my God, the joy on your face from that "remarkable" pun. :D
People seem to be giving the dad a lot of criticism for not stopping it (or trying to stop it) but we don't know that. Besides, you know how little chance fathers have of getting sole custody of their kids after a divorce? Here in the UK, where this seems to be taking place, it's only 17% of cases. If Marc's dad tries to do that, there's a good chance his son gets left alone with one abusive parent.
I mean in America back in the day, it wouldn't even have really been a thing. do you know how many parents whipped their kids?
Not to mention these are his *_memories_* not necessarily a complete picture of how it went down but as he said when he was leaving home he blamed his father for not doing more so he obviously FELT like his father didn't help, but who knows how much his father did that Marc didn't see, or that didn't register or happened when Steven was around, etc... Memories are so often majorly imcomplete. :)
Also she may have been abusive to the dad as well, we have no way of knowing from what little we get.
Mark’s childhood takes place in Chicago.
I think people want to make the Marvel TV shows so much bigger and inter connected and are disappointed that Marc's DID wasn't from Thanos or Mephisto. The core of this show is about a man handling a disorder that many deal with. So I think this episode is so pivotal to Marc's story that I am fine that we missed Ammit being released. MoonKnight is top tier storytelling.
This is one of the best thing’s that the MCU has done. I don’t get why some Marvel fans believe that there needs to always be action. This is a showcase of just how good of an actor Oscar Isaac is.
Im so glad they didnt go that route
They mentioned the ancestors realm from Black Panther
I always insisted in comments of previous episodes on the fact that there are supernatural elements in Marc's story but their DID isn't one of them. Their DID came about from natural trauma and needed to be as realistic as they could make it. And they did that. I'm proud of them for that
Agreed!
Beautiful episode, I cried so much. And then watching how emotional you were talking about how Steven is lost now had me in tears.
This episode broke me and I just have to say Steven was real to me and konshu better bring him back
You mean Marc better bring him back but I felt broken on this episode
control ur emotions dude....even marc who created steven accepted he was fake....now marc will end the show...
PS: jake is left
I think they handled this beautifully, and I think it was especially poignant that it basically stated outright that both he and his alter both had their own identity and 'soul' :)
Thank you for being one of the only people I've seen call out the dad's role in the abuse. I've seen people say things like "well at least his dad was nice!" and ...no, that's not how abusive childhoods work. If you are a parent it is your responsibility to protect your child and keep them safe, and when one of the parents is an abuser, that means taking action to stop the abuse, get your child out of that situation, or get that parent out of your lives.
Marc even calls him out on that when he's already an *adult* (in context I'm guessing 18 and leaving for the military) and his dad is still saying "she'll get help!" No, it was HIS job to get her help a *decade* ago, and if it didn't work or she refused to take it, it was HIS job AS THE ADULT to get his son OUT of that situation (for example, by *divorcing the woman who is abusing your son*), and he failed to or was unwilling to do either.
There's many, many codependent enabler parents married to physically or emotionally abusive parents out there, and just because they aren't beating their kid themselves doesn't mean they aren't abusing their kids themselves by perpetuating or enabling the existing abuse.
Dope episode. I loved the Black Panther reference. I also loved the psychological horror element in this series. I want to give Marc Spector a hug while watching this episode. Another thing I loved is Marc and Steven's interaction with Taweret. Taweret was great in this episode. Marc's mom had no chill. Steven calling Arthur Harrow Ned Flanders was funny. This series is still hinting at Jake Lockley. The visuals in this series are amazing. Oscar Issac was the perfect casting for Moon Knight.
Enlightening and sad episode. By the end of it you just wanted to give Marc a hug because of the trauma he suffered as a child. Give Oscar Isaac all the awards for his multilayered performance.
DID is usually the result of sexual or physical abuse during childhood. In DID, each alter is a vessel/container of the trauma experienced by the child. Basically, an alter was created because the child could not handle the severe sustained trauma that he/she is experiencing at the moment so he/she created an alter to basically take over the mind and body. DID usually happens in childhood because that is the time when we are sort of piecing together different traits/characteristics that we’ll develop as we grow up into one whole personality/identitiy, but in DID this process gets disrupted and shatters into pieces, hence, the creation of alter/s.In order for the mind to survive from the trauma each alter may lock up the memories of trauma, and it’s up to the primary alter/host (Marc) to access that whenever he/she is ready. Steven is seen as the protector of the system so like Marc said he is there to essentially be a "stressball".I like how Moon knight represents them as needing one another because without they would essentially be unable to cope and if need be there will be more alters in the system as hinted at in the episodes.
It can also be the result of emotional abuse, or of neglect
I thank you for your explanation. Very helpful. But how is it that Steven is the one to have no memories of the abuse when we see that Marc created Steven in that moment then his mother came into the room? They way it was shown I would think that since Steven was the one present that he would have the memories.
@@Fhornergal Marc the host chose to withold that information from Steven,it's talked about in a bit when Marc says "I gave you a mother that loved you". It's essentially locked up from both Steven and Marc but Marc is the only one that can share that memory with himself or Steven when ready.
Edit:hope that helped clear things up 😁
Lets say it all together: Oscar Isaac is the BEST actor Marvel ever hired and the script he was given in Moon Knight is WICKEDLY STELLAR! This whole show is bonkers in the best way possible! (I think it is clear that the writers/producers of the show spent a lot of time studying the REALITIES of Dissociative Identity Disorder as many big elements of it fits well with those realities; rather than the usual Hollywoodian clichés)
Welcome to series when Egyptians wrote and direct and put the music for it and presenting their culture from their heart 🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬, thanks to Oscar Isaac for his amazing performance and for understanding the importance of the deep emotions in Egyptian culture, and I cried so much , this episode is so much to digest
That last scene broke me. Oscar Izzak's performance somehow perfectly captures the emotions some people go through when they look at something, someplace that is really relaxing, calming, and peaceful but know dang well the fact that they wouldn't be able to soak into that moment and enjoy it because of certain things they are struggling with in their life.
When I want to see someone get emotional, I always tune into this channel.
😂😂
What a tough watch this episode was but I agree with others that this must be one of the most affecting episodes Marvel has produced so far! I just wasn't expecting the intensity but it makes sense that such severely traumatic events would fracture someone's mind like that. Thank you for your reaction.
I am always amazed at how she can hold a cup for an hour lol
what a human can do to earn money
You always have the best after episode discussions
This episode had me all in my feelings.
People who have seen Being Human (UK) may know why this episode makes her want to watch it! (She's commented it's on her list before, but so much good new stuff keeps coming out for her to react to!)
This one was tough for me to watch. A lot of things hit very close to home and no one ever told me "it wasn't your fault".
It wasn't your fault
Oscar Isaac deserves an Emmy for this episode.
this episode broke me. i was on the edge of tears throughout the flashbacks and then when THAT scene happened... well, the dam broke.
I was a mess during and after this episode.
It made me so emotional.
I lost my Dad on January 2nd so death of a parent hit me hard and the ending... I was NOT okay!
But the episode was just so good.
rest in peace 🎉
I love how they portrayed Marc and Steven’s backstory it made me feel bad for both of them and I just really cried during the entire episode so yeah amazing reaction and have a great day love ya 🥰
well i felt sad but when something's not real...i dont get attach to it and make myself sad i admire and leave it at that...i can control my emotions...i hope u understand kid
Girl, you are me. I was sobbing at 8am yesterday morning watching us lose Steven and Marc’s traumatic childhood. This was a fantastic episode.
I completely agree that this is one of the best productions Marvel has made, yours is the 3rd or 4th reaction I've seen to this episode and everyone comes to the same conclusion, that this is a beautifully written episode of television, nevermind it being a Marvel show, this is how you write a character in a short show, this will be the standard a lot of shows are held to, especially like superhero stuff from now on
This episode was so beautiful and tragic, and it so meaningful for marvel to tackle abuse and mental health the way they did. Your analysis after your reaction was really thoughtful and true, i loved it.
Mark is the main. Steven to escape from the abuse, but when the attacks came, Steven couldn't accept that aspect of their mother. So Steven created Jake. An Alt created an Alt. That's why when Steven was frozen there was balance because Jake is an Alt of Steven.
Jake was the alt that was speaking to the Doctor while he was showing the damage to his nose. His accent and demeanor were totally different.
Somehow, I think Jake is going to save the three of them. Because he IS a separate person the way Steven is. So somewhere, he is still free to act.
If you really liked this episode, you might want to check out Legion. The entire show is like this. Also, the Watchmen show.
What an amazing series. To go from the straight up horror movie vibes of the last episode to the psychological complexity and emotional depth of this one is no mean feat.
Damn…! Between this episode, and finishing up the Umbara-arc of Clone Wars, you picked the WRONG week to stop sniffing glue! 😉
I watched the episode this morning, man that was brilliant and so hard to watch. Even though it was pretty clear what the arc was going to be early on it was so well done that it just breaks your heart. Man Oscar Isaac is a brilliant actor, especially since he used his brother as the other character for each of their scenes together. Love your reaction as always.
9:05 seeing Marc freak out like that gave me chills
Wow this episode was incredible definitely my favorite. Oscar Isaac's performance was amazing. He should get an Emmy for his portrayal of Mark/Steven.
ReMARKable reaction! I think you really did touch on how profound and deep this episode really is. I’m glad MCU went there!
I’m such an empath I stay tearing up😢
"Are we deep diving?" Oh boy...
Okay! I had to watch folks' reactions cuz I could not have been the only one crying at 3a this morning
"Sense or nonsense"
"Sense. Fuck you." LMAO
This episode was hard for me… simply because I can relate to this character on a personal level
I have a rough relationship with my mother that often leaves me feeling like Marc… man this episode was difficult for me
I am not ok. This was so much. It was fantastic and the best I've ever seen from Marvel but it was hard.
And I find myself now being angry at me, because I don't want Steven to go. I like him so much, but at the same time I want Marc to heal. He needs and deserves healing so much and healing for him will eventually mean that Steven has to go but not like this. I am not ok with this.
I can't imagine how they will wrap up EVERYTHING in just one episode. I secretly hope that next episode is either 2 hours long or that they will give us a 7th episode as a surprise.
Needless to say but I'll do it anyway. The cast here is incredible and Oscar Isaac ...wow. I totally forgot that Oscar Isaac is playing both characters. It felt like two people. He is amazing. I cried almost through the whole episode.
Oh man. I haven't watched you since the Leftovers. And now you pop up on my recommendations during an episode that reminded me so much of the 2nd to last series finale of the Leftovers!
12:54 “are the scales balanced now because I don’t think I can take much more of this”
Me: *WHEEZE*
Steven our sweet boy😭🙏rip
not surprised it blew you out. its...a lot. there are still so many questions- mark and steven are both dead? how can moon knight save the day? is it up to jake? will Layla free khonshu? will she become the next avatar? it looks like Amrit is already free, so will some other god or goddess reach out to our heroes? all this and more, on the next MOONKNIGHT.
This episode absolutely broke me.
Marc has a type subconsciously, Jake made a date with the girl at the museum that resembles his mom. Layla resembles his mom. Marc searched out Layla for forgiveness from her that his Mom would never give him. This show has layers upon layers.
lol in what way did the girl at the museum resemble his mom. they look literally nothing alike. she was much darker, with kinky/curly hair, and a completely different figure. and Layla is Egyptian/middle-eastern. just because they're women doesn't mean they all look alike XD
@@jamesliggins891 oh God we're having fun watching an excellent series no debating on fox news
@@famworlds494 what? I'm simply saying that they don't look anything like his mom and thus this comment makes no sense.
This reminds me of the AOS Fitzsimmons episode 6x6
It's hard for me to judge the father. He had a lot on his plate and he was grieving too. We saw things from Marc's point of view, so we aren't seeing the family's full story.
Mom checked out after Randall's passing, that much is clear. And from the looks of it, at least from what we saw, Wendy (Marc's mom) only tormented Marc when his father WASN'T around. His father wasn't present for one birthday and THAT'S when his mother came into the picture with drink in hand. She also beat him when his father wasn't around.
Marc's dad clearly handled things better than the mother, and he did what he could to keep a roof over his family's heads while being a friend/father to his son and husband and caregiver to his wife while also grieving himself. It's disappointing that family, friends, rabbis, etc. weren't there to help the family out--if they were, we didn't see that.
Marc's dad appears to be unaware of physical abuse Marc was going through, possibly the verbal one's too as it looks like the full force of it happened when he WASN'T around. Marc became a different person and suppressed much of that abuse. He experienced abuse for sure, but I bet most of it was recognized after he switched back to himself. The scars his mother left, the physical ones might not have been visible too, keeping Marc's father in the dark. The fear she put him through likely made it impossible for Marc to tell his father about it too. We shouldn't forget that Marc still loved his mother despite the hell she put him through. He could say goodbye to her in person, but he sure did grieve for her in the middle of the street and he still called her to check in, albeit as Steven, but this episode showed us that Marc and Steven are in fact the same person and that Marc was just suppressing a past he didn't want to come to terms with.
As depressing as this episode was, it was a fantastic story. Moon Knight's story is my new favorite story in the MCU. We still have a finale to see, but I don't see them dropping the ball now after five solid stories. Everyone has brought their A-Game for each new chapter. Emmys for everyone!
EDIT:
30:27 Marc absolutely knew the truth. He was going to give everything to Steven because Steven represents the best of Marc. Steven is Marc's hero, and who doesn't want to be their hero? The longer things went on, however, the harder it became for Marc to let go, and Layla entering the picture after he had successfully pushed her away made that even harder for him, as she was the one thing he was proud of as himself. Steven had shown Marc that he couldn't protect Layla and that was a problem for him. Marc was at odds with himself. He believed that he needed Steven, as Steven was his safe spot and the best of himself. Layla is special to him, someone he truly cannot live without.
Saddest MCU moment is Marc Childhood. Tony Stark and Aunt May dying didn't have me emotional like this.
I hope Oscar Issac discovers another statue for this series....an Oscar :-)
"It's been fun playing pretend for a while, hasn't it, Marc? But it's time to look at some real reruns."
😭😭
I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but as an Egyptology nerd I wanted to offer some explanation just to help people understand what the weighting of hearts ceremony does, the outcomes, and what the Duat and Aaru (Field of Reeds) actually are, at least from a mythology standpoint.
The Duat was not considered Hell in the way monotheistic religions portray it with all the hellfire and anguish and whatnot. The name in Egyptian is actually "dwꜣt", a biliteral word combining "under" and "world" (which some still debate, but either way it's words similar to that meaning), but it's more of a form of purgatory than anything else. The link people make to it being like hell is mostly due to it being a subterranean realm, just like where the location of hell is described in other religious texts.
Every soul goes to the Duat for judgment. For those who have hearts lighter or in balance with the feather, they are allowed to leave the Duat and ascend to Aaru, where they live their afterlife in eternal peace, prosperity, and rest. Aaru is similar to heaven, but it's more of a paradise full of an abundance of crops, wealth, and prosperity. Ushabti figurines (or in this context, it's actually shabti figurines) represented servants who would help the deceased do manual labor or chores when they reached Aaru, allowing them to rest and relax peacefully without the worry of having to tend to the crops or make food.
For those who are unbalanced, they remain in the Duat to wander eternally, facing constant challenges as they try to find balance, some never finding it at all and remaining frozen in sand, consumed by their guilt. This is why Marc began to turn to sand in the finale, it was the guilt of not being able to save Steven weighing down his heart.
But, if a person's soul is able to heal and shed the guilt weighing their heart down, they can petition to be judged again. If they are judged again and their heart is lighter or in balance with the feather, they are reincarnated for a second chance to reach Aaru with that life. They retain no memories of their first life so as to not influence the true nature of their soul with the result of their initial judgment. Marc had already made it to Aaru, so he was not reincarnated or judged again, he was just yeeted back into his body through Osiris' gate.
However, if the person is deemed unworthy with a heart heavier than the feather, their heart-and essentially their soul-is fed to Ammit and consumed. The person's very being is destroyed. No afterlife, no second chance.
And that, to the Ancient Egyptians, was a worse fate than any hell a monotheistic religion could create.
I was looking for u for this reaction ..I teared up off this one
OMFG, this episode was f'in brilliant.
I am beyond speechless.
This show deserves ALL the Emmys, especially Oscar Isaac! This has to be his magnum opus as an actor.
Also, to FINALLY hear the name "Moon Knight" in this show smiled my soul.
Don't tell me Steven Grant is gone, or I will lose my mind.
This episode broke me dearly.
I better see Oscar Isaac get his Emmy this year, or else I will freak out.
I can't imagine what the finale next week will be, and I am hyped to see it.
Also, props to newcomer Antonia Salib as Tarweret. So adorable and charming.
Oscar Isaac's performance in this episode made me cry too.
Theory #1: Opening sequence = JAKE the 3rd ALTER!!! Notice the broken nose, slightly different accent, smooth grab for a stabby weapon, mention of releasing a monster, and the difference in overall demeanor. My theory is Jake appeared to do the job Marc is supposed to do for Khonshu = Marc will whip your ass and kill but only when absolutely necessary but I don't think he's truly a killer so Jake comes out to kill for him and then disappears again.
Theory #2 = 'Loss' of Steven via Marc coming to grips w/his horrible childhood = that alter is no longer needed as a coping mechanism and will hopefully be reintegrated into Marc. I hope that means he now has all the knowledge of Steven going forward.
Theory #3 = Jake and Steven were created simultaneously with Steven as the coping mechanism and Jake to take all that abuse from mom. Unwarranted abuse = anger/rage = Jake is the Stabby Joe personality. This is why Steven has no memory of getting his ass whooped by mom - Jake took all of that for both Marc and Steven.
Hold out some hope. Sometimes, after understanding why they are the way they are, an alter will give up themselves, and heal into the other selves, (balancing their soul, in a manner of speaking,) ALSO Marc didn't need to accept it. Stephen did. Now...They are still fully blocking out Jake. As long as one alter continues to exist, all alters can be restored to "life," due to the persistent nature of trauma. One of our alters had faded, but when a shared trigger (where a single truama triggering event hits two switch triggers,) she came back within minutes of me switching out with the other alter that was triggered. Again, persistent trauma. So, Stephen may return if something triggers Stephen at the same time as Jake.
worth noting in episode 2, leyla knows something about mark & his mom
steven: "this is my mum's flat."
leyla: "ok, so you guys are talking again?"
That’s… an interesting point. I think we can safely assume that Mark is an unreliable narrator, but to what extent does his own self deception go? Did he lie to Layla about his mom still being alive but not on speaking terms, or did he lie to himself that that was the case? Is Layla being sarcastic knowing that Mrs. Specter is dead and that they were estranged? So many questions still, and I don’t want this series to end next episode. I’m just so fascinated in this story.
@@calibadgerdude6082 mom's wake seems to be the event that caused steven to take greater control, stranding layla for months. so it looks like a safe bet mom was alive during the marriage. of course, layla knows only whatever mark may have told her about his mom.
@@aarrgghh ahhh, that makes perfect sense! Don’t know how I missed that
This Moon Knight series left has left me a Broken man.🥺
Steven must have made Jake to take the physical abuse - that's why when Steven blacked out on the rooftop in episode 5, Jake took over and killed that guy on the rooftop.
Jake is seen with a broken nose and New York accent.
The translation of the song at the end... "Past the sun, I have a place (lugar) a home (hogar) a way (llegar) passed the sun. I have a place, a home, a way passed the sun, passed the sun...
Give him an Emmy know
Loved this episode
If Oscar doesn't get an emmy for this I might lose my shit.
First off, hats off to Seska - I love how emotionally connected she gets in her reactions.
Second, I'd consider getting the DVD/Blueray of this series JUST to get the writer/director commentary for this episode. If there was ever a TV episode that would merit one it seems like this is it. I don't know if they usually storyboard TV shows but given the number of cuts, reveals, abrupt scene changes and heavy emotional content here I'm not sure how else you'd go about it.
Thirdly, I continue to find the scoring for MK the best of the Marvel shows so far. That song at the field of reeds at the end was a perfect fit
Final thought, if I have to choose a reality between a mental institution and a sand cruise with an adorable, cheery hippo lady, sign me up for the boat.
For some of us with crappy childhoods, this one was triggering. They did put a contact for help at the end of it, so I guess they were prepared for it.
I don’t think I cry so much. This is the great show marvel shows wow
This came close to breaking me the only show that has completely broken me was the 8th episode of WandaVision.
Actually you don't notice it but this episode has the hidden 3rd personality Jake Locker he appears in the scene with the broken nose as he's violent and his Voice changes it's also why the scales don't balance as Marc had a 3rd personality who's his version of Tyler Durdan the Uber Masculine personality who is the violent killer and is the one who asked for the steak dinner date in episode 1
Marc is lucky field of Reeds in Assassins creed had giant scorpions in it.
This episode broke my heart, Isaac was so good in this it blew my mind, not many Moon Knight presence through the 5 episodes but honestly I don't mind ^^
Tawaret taking the role of Anubis here was a bit weird but she's quite adorable :) In the mythology (according to some sources) the dead travels on the river through the godesses gates and then got judged after, but here they did it at the same time, it feels more like Greek mythology, but it was still really cool and the most important was Marc and Steven's journey in their memories, I was really sad for them, and I'm gonna miss Steven :(
It left me with several questions about the lore, if Ammit is imprisoned, what do the gods do to the unworthy souls now? Does anyone practice egyptian polytheism nowadays? ^^
anubis is likely on the shelf next to khonshu, along with a few others it seems
@@jack_rabbit I haven't thought about that, that would explain why Tawaret seemed a bit lost in what she was doing ^^
@@jack_rabbit ya I saw Anubis, the Jackall head is hard to be not noticeable 😂
Thank you for this video reaction. I was also floored
Marc is in paradise, Steven is damned for eternity and Ammit is free. The finale is gonna be wild.
For some reason I had thought that Marc had died at some point and then Khonshu put him into Steven’s body. I didn’t realize until this episode that they were alters from childhood trauma.
It definitely hit hard to see the memories from the past and what he went through. I was crying a lot, especially when Steven fell off the boat.
This episode broke my heart
right there with you honestly
This episode reminds me of Robbie Reyes' deal with Ghost Rider.
as much as we love steven, marc will NEVER heal until steven is gone. steven represents all the trauma and all the hurt and all the self loathing. he was made so marc can escape reality whenever he can't take it anymore. the thingy balanced bc steven was gone. he already faced/acknowledged the truth, he already forgave himself... the last thing to get rid of was Steven... 😢
Amazing episode. Simply amazing
Great reaction
Marc's dad might not have known about the abuse. It might have occurred when he was out of the house, and with Marc coping by compartmentalizing the events it might never have come up.
Marc is the main
Steven is the happy one
Jake is the one who took the beating?