Star Wars: The Starfighters of the CIS
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- Spacedock breaks down the most prominent strike craft of the Confederacy of Independent Systems.
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For the glory of the Separatist Alliance!
Noice
@@Predator42ID great question!
Please do a Mandalorian ships and vehicles series. OYA MANDO'ADE!!!
@@Predator42ID now that you think about it, the tri fighter seems as if it was inspired by the viper. I mean, the original BSG is older than the prequels!
The CIS, the only fleet to actually use multiple dedicated classes of ships to fight battles with on screen.
Hold on, the alliance did too
I mean, its pretty much all droids so theres the added bonus of not having the pilot feeling g forces and, for that matter, you dont need to train pilots
The republic did in the shows
A New Hope's X-Wings & Y-Wings and Return of the Jedi's A-Wings, B-Wings & X-Wings: are we all jokes to you?
Rebels
Fighter: X wing
Intercepter: a wing
Bomber:y wing
Heavy bomber: b wing
Troop carrier: u wing
The whole Separatist Navy just fits into itself so nicely. Friggin’ love the CIS! Noice. So syked for the Sojourn.
still i see them utterly heavily relying on droids...its like if 99.9% of their forces were droids.. i miss seeing the other side of the conflict.. Clone Wars showed us a bit of that..about the people on the other side..but on the front we barelly saw some generals and admirals ..
I liked the look of the TRI fighter.....and they did seem pretty effective....
Same here. When the first appeared in ROTS, I was like "It just hit the fan."
with no need for a human piolt you can put bigger armaments on the ship.
It's unclear why the Empire ever choose the TIE Fighter over the Vulture Droid. Especially with the Tarkin doctrine it seems to me that the Vulture Droid Fighter would be a much better fit.
Sven Hallauer it would be scary as fuck to see a massive swarm of these things pouring out of a star destroyer, and the hyena bombers make a whining noise when coming in for an attack run, kind of like the Stuka.
Because the movies with the empire were made first in the late 70s and early 80s.
In the book about Mace Window say that the Republic thought about using droids against anti piracy but was dropped due to their "stupidity". In the book stole a maned gunship and destroy droids until the droids tag that kind of gunship as foe decimating the gunship fleet (the only fleet) of that planet.
They are more effecient but lack any higher functioning thinking skils/creativity.In other words they don't understand context and can't get any better. You can't outskill it but you can outsmart it
After the clone wars, military droids were feared by most of the civilians of the galaxy and their use was drastically cut back. It's kinda like how after WW1 the world saw how deadly chemical weapons were and severely limited their use.
I love how different the factions of the Prequel Trilogy are from the factions of the Original Trilogy. Even the Republic's army, which is meant to clearly resemble the later Imperial military, still looks and feels totally distinct. If only the creators of the Sequel Trilogy had given the same care and attention to their factions, rather than making Rebels and Empire 2.0.
You say this as if the T-70 X-Wing and the Resurgent Class aren't the best designs we've seen in decades
The t-70 is just a light overhaul of the t-65, the resurgent looks cool yes but lore wise makes no sense, it is stated to have 20,000 turbo lasers, the malevolence which was a super weapon feared for having a ridiculous amount of turbo lasers had 500
@@raximousprime2915 Wasn't the Malevolence feared for its main gun, not lasers?
@@philipsalama8083 it had a prototype branch with super Ion cannon that could paralyse ships so she had a bit less cannons.
I would have loved it if the Sequel Era had been a blend of the OT and PT both design wise and thematically.
The CIS has always had some of my favorite ships in Star Wars, especially the strike bomber from the original Battlefront 2 (which was really Grievous' ship).
Actually it's called the Belbullab 24, and it's a strike bomber version of the Belbullab 22.
That would require creativity and risks. The sequels were all about keeping things safe
The Geonosian Starfighters are fun to fly in the first Battlefront video game on the Geonosis map, whether you steal it as a clone trooper or pilot it as a battle droid, even though the lore states that specifically only Geonosians can fly the craft.
It was my favorite ship in the original Battlefront game
They were also one of the most effective ways to destroy the techno union spawn ships on that map, getting into one as a clone was practically an I win move.
These starfighters are so bittersweet. I enjoy the awesomeness they represent, but it makes it that much more of a bummer that the separatists had to lose. The money they would have saved not having to train and feed and care for fighter pilots could have been easily redirected to upgrading their fighters/bombers and equipped them with shields and hyperdrive systems as well as improved power systems to increase their effective combat range.
I think they simply didn't have the same industrial power as the Republic. The savings on not training pilots and using droids are pretty much all that kept them in the running in that war.
Avensis Astari That's largely irrelevant from an in-universe perspective. The CIS wouldn't need to be as powerful as the Republic. The Separatist' overall strategy was far less demanding than the Republic's. They could've simply consolidated their forces to defend their territory whereas the Republic was constantly forced to overextend their assets an attempt to defeat the separatist military. All the CIS had to do was launched random skirmishing rates in to Republic territories while easily defending the much smaller domain. They could have easily afforded to feel far superior starfighters than the ones they had before and during the Clone Wars. The only reason they didn't was because Palpatine was pulling the strings. From a sheer tactical perspective, the Republic would have had no help to defeat the separatists.
That's if their people were committed to the fight. In any democracy, war fatigue erodes the ability to continue the war.
Avensis Astari WAR FATIGUE?! The Separatists were losing DROIDS! The Republic was losing PEOPLE! The Separatists were fighting for FREEDOM! The Republic was fighting for CONTROL! Who do you think would give up first?! "War fatigue" is IRRELEVANT when your soldiers are MACHINES! Besides, the CIS was not a democracy. It was a Representative Confederation in a state of wartime emergency.
Those droids still cost in terms of production and deployment. Fuel, ships, even the droids themselves don't just appear out of thin air. They have to be built, maintained, powered, and all that logistical demand draws away from production for other uses.
If you lost an entire tank division, but saved the crews, that's still a monumental loss because of the cost of the materiel. That's what ultimately killed Germany in WWII, it couldn't replace materiel as quickly as it was losing it.
You don't need coffins to break a country's will to fight, though it does help.
Great video! Thanks so much for the shoutout!!
I really love the CIS starfighters. Also it’s amusing how the CIS and Republic’s primary fighters were designed and made by insectiod races. Got to wonder if the Republic wouldn’t have been better off without clone pilots.
Great video. Also...SEE YOU TOMORROW!
While limited, the starfighters of the Separatists were nonetheless impressive feats of engineering.
How limited?
The Tri-Fighter and the Droid Dropship are two of my favourite designs from the prequel era.
Droid Dropship?? You mean the HMP droid gunship, right?
Im my opinion those two are the best designs to come out of the prequel era, simply because they are brutally effective and look awesome.
Such a cool set of fighter craft. Thanks for the video.
The CIS starfighters are probably some of my favorite crafts within the Star Wars universe. They’re so uniquely designed. The Vulture Droids can walk around on the hull of a Providence-class capital ship like insects while Tri-Fighters charge into battle, swarming enemy squadrons like wasps protecting their hives. It makes the CIS that much more dangerous in my opinion. No wonder Battle Droids were outlawed by the Empire after the war.
Aaah, now I see what you meant by some names being a tad difficult to pronounce...
I also like the Bellbulab-22, it looks elegant, like a retro sports car, even complete with a long nose and a cockpit being all the way in the back.
It's one of my favourite designs
I dunno why, _but:_ having a PMC with mostly droid starfighters would be pretty based. Deploy them from one or two Quasar Fire-classes, and flanked by a handful of either Munificents or Providences, and I'm a happy man.
Here is a vs match you might find interesting. Putting 2 robot battleships, along with their associated fighters/bombers, to see who could come out on top. The CIS carrier vs the cylon base star(2016). Might be an interesting outcome considering how many fighters would be deployed. I have a suspicion on who would win, but I would like to see a spacedock video. Maybe working with eckardsladder again.
NJS1346 Cylon all the way. The raiders are much smarter and the Cylon hacking/ virus would tear droids to bits.
Would still like to see a collaboration between spacedock and ackardsladder since one is a gallactica fanboy and the other is a starwhores fanboy.
The Geonosis starfighter, the Rogue Class starfighter, and the Belbullab starfighter have got to be added into battlefront 2
God, you guys put more effort into star wars content than Disney does.
if only that wasn't true...
Solo was not a great movie. It was good, it had fun moments, but it was so predictable.
Also the fuck is Last Jedi "better than 90% of most movies."
Unfortunately, the Last Jedi is a shame to Star Wars movies.
The storyline basically can not survive a careful criticism.
Both sides made elementary battle mistakes (e.g. Holdo keeping everything secret until way too late, the First Order using an improperly designed ship, etc).
Canto Bight was pointless.
Don't even get me started on the failures known as the Siege Dreadnought (I don't call it the Mandator 4 since it's a shame to all Kuat Drive Yards ships). That thing is the opposite of a reasonable warship.
If you disagree, I respect that. But I maintain my opinion.
RXdash78 especially with the force awakens hate that movie it’s a copy of a new hope but inferior in every way.
Siraceman 13420/9: then you'll despise ep9 cus from what I hear it's another desolate desert world movie and somehow the story is, the rebels are down to a single cell, Leia is trying to rally her "allies" in the outer rim while the first order is stronger than ever?? HOW??? just.......I'll quit there before I really lose it....gods frakk disney and LucasFilm and KK and rouynhead and Jar Jar Abrams battle tank for this crapfest
praise classic trilogy.....I wand despecial edition, I want lapti nek in ROTJ
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^okay that calms me down a little....
3:45 one of my favourite fighter designs in the prequel movies, it's sleek design with strong sports car vibes.
I only just recently realized how much I like the Vulture droid and its brethren: there's something delightfully creepy about an *intelligent* flying war machine that can also walk around on its own.
Belbullab-22 is one of my favorite starfighters. Such a cool looking ship and easily customizable.
The Soulless One takes the crown as the CIS's best starfighter.
Great vid Spacedock! The CIS starfighters were really unique.
I remember these things had to be changed for star wars battlefront 2 the old one cause your character had to board one to pilot it. Instead of the droid fighter.
Tri-fighter is my favorite
They should do a space dock break down on the star wars clone war droids! Specs on r2 too ;-)
Excellent video as always SpaceDock !
For a while I think Umbaran starfighters saw action with the CIS against the Republic. But now I unsure if their only use on the Clone Wars was in Umbara's defense
Excellent practical breakdown
The Tri-Fighter is my favorite in Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron. Such a good game.
Those vulture droids look an awful lot like Cylon raiders in Battlestar Galactica! You wonder why the Empire didn't use droid fighters too, you can mass produce them more quickly than training a pilot.
A lot of the Star Wars ships look like they were inspired by real world planes or, in the case of unmanned crafts, real world tools and appliances. However, the Belbullab-22 looks like an old roadster with the back end stripped down. A teeny bit like a 1930 Mercedes-Benz 'Count Trossi' SSK, if you pushed back the driver's seat and removed the rear wheels.
Now that the scene stands still I first see how many Tri-Fighter are in that Hangar.
Love this kind of video! You should do more fleet breakdowns :)
from non-star wars ip's as well!
Can you do more videos like this on the separatist? I really enjoyed this video!
So you’re saying the CIS droid fighters were built by the Adeptus Mechanicus.
The walker mode on the Vulture droids looks really cool, but I never saw the point of it. Repulsorlift allows craft to hover, letting them move far faster and with more agility than turning into a walker. Especially when that walker is far less efficient than a dedicated walker, because a dedicated walker can be armoured more thickly because it doesn't need to fly and walk less awkwardly because it's legs aren't wings reconfigured into legs.
The Tri-Fighter's my favorite of the bunch.
The Punishing One is very cool looking starfighter !
Failed to mention the scarab. The early war starfighter piloted by b1s that was heavily featured in the early era
forgot the Umbarran starfighter and the Mankvim 814 interceptor.
Again droid Star fighters are jus way more practical then normal there quick easy made and follow orders to the point and like the tri droid can be programmed to a point of outmatching skilled pilots easily I would only use these and have ships like the lucrehulk for the one to being fighters and all other ships being complete warships with the absence of a hanger allowing more space for weapons or reactors
In the Mace Window book it explain that the Republic thought about using also Droid fighters for anti piracy but dropped because of their stupid. He stole a gunship and destroy some Droid fighters until the droids mark that type of gunship as foe destroying the airborne capability of the enemy.
They are more effecient but lack any higher functioning thinking skils/creativity.In other words they don't understand context and can't get any better. You can't outskill it but you can outsmart it
"like the tri droid can be programmed to a point of outmatching skilled pilots easily"
I don't think this is possible. In the Star Wars universe AI is pretty trash overall, and the only droids with good AI don't have room for combat systems.
In addition all the very skilled pilots in Star Wars are force sensitive to a point. Maybe not enough to be a Jedi or something but enough to have a gut sense about what's going to happen next.
+SendarSlayer
They do have self aware AI so I would say it's not trashy. I think that the pilots are just that good and the fact that SW tech is heavly reliant on the user (that way skill shines out more and you can't necessarily hack your way to victory) and as such more demanding on the AI to pilot.
Like I said if you try to outskill AI you're probably gonna lose. Get creative and be an ace then you have salvage for days
*laughs in R-352 Sepia*
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Two Republic agents disliked video.
If we're including starfighters from allied planetary armies (such as the Geonosians), then the Umbaran Starfighter should be there too. It even has the Separatist colors and insignia.
Are some of the comments on the Tri-fighter a reference to them being OP in the original Battlefront 2?
The Tri-Fighter is just so cool.
Tri-Fighter, the best fighter.
Seriously - there wasn't enough of them, they should stop building everything and just run tri-fighters, they were stunning.
But Tri Fighters are more Interceptors. They are excellent against other Fighters/Bombers but bad against larger Ships or ground Targets.
Vulture Droid is more like an multirole Jet.
The Hyena and Vulture droids reminds me of the Cylon Heavy, and normal Raiders respectively.
“Track that Tri!”
0:48 Clearly the ubiquity of gravity manipulation in Star Wars makes inertial dampening a standard feature in any star fighter. But maybe a Vulture droid has, even more extreme maneuverability?
0:23 Ooh, pretty. That's a perfect screengrab.
Do spaceball 1/mega maid from the classic scifi movie spaceballs.
I allways loved the tri fighters, smal but fast and deadly.
Didn't the vulture droids have a horrible battery life? I read or heard somewhere that they can only operate for 30 minutes before having to go back and recharge.
gui bin The cross section book said they used solid fuel slugs that burned quickly, I don't remember how long, but it may have been only 30 minutes
Yeah, I meant fuel but for some reason I said charge....
Like a Tesla
You need to do a video with the ships of the Exo Squad series.
You missed the umbaran starfighters
+Spacedock, You missed the techno-union starfighter, seen in incredible cross sections of episode 3.
Out of curiosity. If most of the larger battle stations crew were droids and very little were living humanoids, why were the hanger bays maintained with an oxygen environment? In Episode 3, one of the mechanisms was destroyed and the hanger began bleeding oxygen at a rapid pace before the hanger door shut. I have no idea why this came to mind, but watching this video and seeing the hanger deck made me think of this. Any suggestions or insight would be helpful. Thank you!
TheDarkWolf86 I would say because operating in the vacuum of space wouldn't be good for the droids. Even if possible for them to do so it's probably cheaper to pressurise the ship and maintain the ideal operating temperature than it would be to maintain the long term damage slowly building up due to cold and pressure damage.
I'm curious if Spacedock will ever consider making a summery of one of the ship types from Sword of the Stars.
Can you do the rebels Fighters
Now I can only see those vultures as being made by the cult mechanicus
I don't remember you doing ARC-170 Starfighter, an icon of Clone Wars
Good job. Can you make a video on all of the Old Republic and Old Empire fighters. Thank.
Ich Liebe den Magnaguard Starfighter!
What about the umbaran starfighter?
Since you included the geonosian starfighter,you should've included the umbaran one too.
Umbara was also separatist and only umbarans knew how to fly it
1:15 i though he mentioned discord😂💀🗿🏴☠️
Please make a video on the GR-75
Nah, save it for April Fools day
i didn’t know the vulture droids were made by the micanicus
Do more battle analysis
I love the sepratest!!!!
@Spacedock What about the Mankvim interceptor? Were those ever even seen onscreen in ROTS?
Yo dawg, i heared you liek droids. So we put droids in our droids.
Nice 1!!!!
Something that struck me as weird is why would the CIS have manned craft when practically every combatant of the CIS we've seen were droids.
there were organic soldiers
Please do a video on mc 80 liberty cruiser
Three ships I would have, vulture, tri and hyena bomber. I would use the vulture as a support fighter for the bombers while the tri fighters would do more offensive roles against other fighters
A R T I L L E R Y O N L Y H O I 4 ?
We don't do that here.
Yes
A R T I L L E R Y O N L Y E M P I R E A T W A R?
Good video! I liked it. I do have one little bit of feedback though, perhaps a little bit of a separation between each section/ship would help the flow a little bit, the transition from one section to another is a little abrupt. Great video otherwise!
What about ventreses ship ?
They're all unmanned, except Porax-38, Nantex and Belbullab-22
You know what always confused me? Why didn't the First Order, and by extension, Disney, implement some of this stuff into their ships? It would've been awesome to see a TIE fighter have its engines split apart to walk around like a vulture droid, and the toys would've flown off the shelves! (Pun not intended)
They're the same people that approved of a new and improved Star Destroyer as an old ISD with a gun stapled to the front. Creativity doesn't seem to get along with them.
@@Lightscribe225 true, sadly
But which fighter spins the best?
"cathedral factories"
So warhammer
Always liked the sepritist ships
So these things are made by Star Wars’ equivalent of the mechanicus?
the empire really did fail to learn the lessons of the clone wars.
I get the impression the CIS (I admit too not watching The Clone Wars series) was fairly small in flesh and blood people and used droids instead?
Inb4 in the movie at least one person says that the death star was an inside job.
Where are the engines on the hyena bombers, how does it fly?
The walking droid fighters are based on the walking Cylon raiders fighters in a Richard hatch produced fan film BSG reboot proposal video because Dough Chang was lazy
Please make a short voice break after each ship it is confusing otherwise
more Firefly please
Hey Spacedock. I was thinking its often said how the vulture can perform manuevers that would kill an organic pilot yet since a lot of fighters employ inertial dampners wouldn't this advantage be nullified? Unless of course the dampnig system is taxing on the ships energy consumption.
A little disappointing you didn't mention Ventress's Fanblade starfighter or the CIS fighters that were used to combat the Lok Revenants during the events of Star Wars Jedi Starfighter. Good vid nonetheless though.
You deserve way more subs! Nice video!
I know this comment is unoriginal
CIS for life! In other words, I've come round to the Resistance bombers as the only option that could carry enough firepower for the task. Does anyone agree with me?
DrearyPlane8 Two words. Ion torpedoes
@@sebastiannelson6355 Ion torpedoes exist but it is unlikely a starfighter could carry enough to blow a capital ship.
Roger! Roger!