Any interest in capital ships in Freespace 2 : Blue Planet? Those modder-designed ship are very well balanced as they avoided many common flaws among video game capital ships, and their layered point defense are nightmarish in game even for experienced players.
Y'all provide good and solid content. So if something repeats itself, my god. Shit happened, it does. Knowledge expands, by its very nature. What is learned if ever, overwrites what has been taught.
I can imagine Anakin showing up to the KDY headquarters and go: "Yo, how about we strap a big ass gun under the cruiser? No one ever uses the lower hangar anyway."
I'm told the Liberation was the pride of the Rebel Fleet. A Venator that fought for the Republic and for the restoration of the Republic. Her CO was a real peace of work :P
The Venator is one of my favorite sci-fi starships of all time. It's utilitarian and practical, yet it's an elegant, beautiful ship. I've always loved the design elements of wedge-shaped ships like the Venator and Imperial class, all the way back to the ancient Sith warships used during the Old Republic, and even the battleships used during the Mandalorian War. It's a design that can be traced back to the very first warships used by major forces in the galaxy.
what about the Harrower class Dreadnought? In my Opinion it to is a Multirole Capital Grade warship. and it can be installed with fleet killing super-weapons
practical? the entire superstructure is split in half. Imagine the ship's shields fail and the hull get surgical striked with heavy turbolaser fire. Due to it's hangars splitting the ship in half it's gonna fall to pieces very quickly. Compare that to stuff like dreadnought heavy cruiser, a f-ing brick that can keep fighting despite it's hull being turned into swiss cheese
@@zerox8413 ua-cam.com/video/JkN55Y_xNTQ/v-deo.html 8 seconds to 16 seconds. Again at 24 seconds. Definitely a Venator. There doesn't even appear to be any kind of docking station or other support structure under it from what we can see. I think we can safely conclude that either: A The Venator class can do surface landings. B: This was an error and the ship wasn't supposed to be able to do that (but it is movie canon that it can do so, and I personally take the films as higher canon than cross-sections or other books, good as they are.) Or C: That there existed a Venator variant that added landing capability, either as an innate design feature, or as a modification to one or more ships. The only other live-action scene with a planet-side Venator that I am aware of is when Anakin and Obi-Wan said goodbye to each other for the last time as friends. ua-cam.com/video/mm854yq38jY/v-deo.html There are ramps allowing AT-TEs onto the ship, but it is unclear if those are a part of the ship or a ground structure. No landing gear can be seen retracting, but some kind of supports can be seen in the clip. Again, it is uncertain if these are inherent to the design or an external tool. At any rate, regardless of whether or not they had landing gear themselves, Episode III completely proves that it is possible for these ships to land in one way or another. (Edited for addition footage, comments, and for typo correction.)
Agree with that. The variety of CIS ships was a disadvantage. Difficult to support with a single supply chain and almost certain that you'd never have the right type of ship in the right place when you needed it. The Republic got it right with two light cruiser types, one medium (Acclamator) and one universal heavy design that proved it could be upgraded to stay effective. Much simpler logistics, training and manufacture and more likely to have the ship you need where you need it. In real life all modern navies (and a lot of airforces) are pursuing this same approach.
Jack Skirata agreed, pour in a few more credits so it’s better than just Military grade and you have yourself a great versatile vessel for all occasions.
Sensible if it was as WW2. If it had weapons the ventral side, (splitting or adding more idc) then it would be infinitely better. But having _none_ at the bottom?
Only flaw with the Venator was lack of medium turbo lasers to go better toe to toe with the CIS Frigates which often could overwhelm a Venator. That said with a bit of hindsight would have the Venator backed up by Victory Class Star Destroyers (wonder when we get to see them in a movie or series) to serve as gun boats and escort craft along side the light cruisers?
Compared to an ISD, the Venator's main batteries are supposed to be about the same combined yield, and the Venator's reactor output is slightly over a third of an ISD's reactor output, so you can pretty well understand why the Venator has almost no secondaries.
It is kind of ironic that the pro-Tarkin Imperials thought the Venator wasn't intimidating enough. Apparently they thought that one big fat juicy target was more intimidating than a swarm of well designed star fighters, bombers, gunships etc. Had they foregone the Imperial star destroyer line in favor of periodically refitting, upgrading, and developing new versions of the Venator, they could have reallocated their surplus resources to continue researching, developing, and manufacturing good star fighters, bombers, gunships etc. Discontinuing the Venatir design philosophy was the one decision more than any other that contributed to the downfall of the Galactic Empire.
Plus modifying the design for serving a specialized roles could occur. Need a battleship, supersize the Venator design and keep the same hangar size. Need a pure capital ship, take out the hangar and shorten the length.
@@redenginner Those are all pretty good ideas. Another thing you could do instead of decreasing the size of a battle modified Venator is replace the hangar door with solid hull plating plating, add torpedo madules, and use the available interior space for an additional reactor some redundant shield generators and a massive payload of proton and ion torpedoes (hence the additional modules) Had they continue to researching newer and better star fighters, bombers, gunships, etc, eventually they would have developed models that had independent hyper drives the US making a dedicated Carrier unnecessary outside of maintenance and re-fueling.
@@lancer737 Nothing you mentioned is even close to accurate. The Venator can easily be updated to address any flaw in its design. The same cannot be said for the ISD. The TIE fighters were easily outperformed by both the A-wing and X-wing. The ONLY superior starfighter they had was the TIE Defender which never went into widespread production because the Emperor wasted too much money building superweapons and bulky impractical capital ships. The only advantage they ever had was numerical. As far as the interior of the Venator being exposed when they launched their fighters, that is not a design flaw. The problem was that they were utilizing the carriers improperly. A carrier should have launched its fighters while still well beyond the range of any capital ships. Just because a ship is used improperly does not mean it is a bad ship.
@@lancer737 The rebels lost more fighters during the battle of the Yavin because their starfighters were in a rather poor state of repair, the rebel pilots were overworked, exausted, and barely clinging to hope. Furthermore, the majority of rebel pilots were amateurs. Their few expert pilots were either Imperial defectors or a latent Jedi.The TIE pilots defending the Death Star were the best of the best and likely very well fed and rested. The rebels were also preoccupied with strafing runs and trying to blow up said Death Star. The TIE pilots were most certainly not outnumbered during the battle of Endor regardless of how they were deployed. The argument of superior technology and battle outcome is also inept because many factors besides the quality of a fighter can contribute to victory or defeat. Wedge Antilles Was an expert TIE pilot and he preferred his T65X over the TIE series. Just look at the TIE fighter(also the Interceptor) from a structural perspective. They had no life support, no shielding, negligible armor, their approximation of an eject system existed in a form of two emergency explosives located in the wing pylons, they presented a massive target profile for their size because of those wings, and regardless of their supposedly superior technology, they still had to fire line of sight basically because their visibility was abysmal. This entire argument is irrelevant anyway because my initial statement was based on INCOM recieving full imperial funding. You do realize that the TIE fighter was a scifi analog of the Japanese Mitsubishi zero from WWII don't you?They began as kings of the sky due to their speed and daring pilots, but due to lacking innovation they were quickly outpaced by their Allied counterparts. I'm sorry but you're just plain wrong. Your statements are factually and demonstrably inaccurate. Even the greater lore which draws these very analogs contradicts everything you're saying. The TIE fighters from a filmmaking perspective even, were inferior by design in order to make a rebel victory look believable.
@@lancer737 Oh you mean besides George Lucas himself saying exactly that a multiple occasions? The TIE fighter is cheap and easy to produce. Those are it's only two merits. The x wing and the a wing are just better than. Their weapons, defenses, reliability, durability, are superior. Their shielding and independent hyperdrive also make them far more versatile. Basic infantry weapons can shoot down TIE fighters. Rebel starfighter superiority was the biggest non Jedi contributing factor to the overthrow of the Empire. All of the star fighters from Star Wars were based on World War II fighter planes. Even the dog fights were based on World War II dogfights. That's the whole reason they're banking and rolling in deep space as if there was an atmosphere. Seriously read a book about Star Wars that isn't a Star Wars novel or a comic book and you would know this. If you can't grasp such a simple concept then there is no point continuing this debate.
The Venator-Class was the prelude to the Star Destroyer of the Empire and those Venators were beautiful indeed and in the Clone Wars show after Ashoka and Rex survived Order 66 and buried all of the clones in the background you can see a destroyed Venator and it was a very good farewell to the past.
When Thrawn was commissioning the new ships of the line for his Empire of the Hand, the ship he made was essentially a modernized Venator made using Chiss technology
honestly one of the best ships ever built, terrifying to face, so versatile that it was hard to take advantage of a weakness, a ship that could launch an army to attack any warship it faces, and heavily armed so it could fight other warships by itself, and win. With later modifications like the added beam cannon or whatever it was to the bottom of the cruisers that can obliterate ships with one hit, or seriously damage them to the point of near destruction... The Venator was one hell of a warship, capable of taking on almost any role needed, and the Empire decided to get rid of it. I would really love to see this ship come back in the star wars universe, as a sort of "screw you and you Imperial warships", that and the Venator also is probably one of the best looking ships out there on top of best design and functionality/versatility.
Venators are the coolest warships imo. The design language of the empire but with a more detailed and distinctive outline along with the cool hangar and red stripes. Probably the best of its kind in Star Wars imo
By far my favorite capital ship. And unlike it’s Imperial replacement it doesn’t have ridiculously easy to spot weaknesses like the deflector shield generator domes on said ISDs. And Anakin somehow made it even better with an extraordinary addition to the Venator line of ships.
This video is much appreciated. This, the Lucrehulk, the ARC - 170, the B wing, the N-1 and the Geonosian starfighter are among my favorite ships, just fantastic designs that are unappreciated.
I had somehow missed the ventral hangar laser thing, and certainly didn't notice the one in RotS. Sounds like a very Anakin thing to think of. Also, it''s always bugged me that they went with a length of 1137 instead of adding one more foot to make it 1138.
A minor point, you show in your breakdown fighter complement you forget that in addition to what you listed it can also carry another 192 actis class interceptors
The Venator-Class would be the perfect large capital ship design of its era if it wasn't for that horrendous bridge design. Instead, I pout it to you that a Venator featuring an enlarged Arquitens-Class bridge with a flight operations command centre directly beneath it in the superstructure would be a functionally and visually superior design more reminiscent of the Imperator-Class.
Duuude i'm in love with the idea of a battleship variant, remove the main flight deck, add a single large bridge much lower down against the hull and give the thing more heavy turbolaser turret batteries...maybe an additional 2 turrets on top of the hull and 8 on the bottom? with the removal of the flight deck it should have enough space for the power systems and Armour necessary to keep that firepower blasting away.
The class deserves symmetry. Allow for a superstructure ridge running the rear length of the bottom hull up until the ventral docking bay mounting a forward-firing superheavy cannon instead of Skywalker's patch job modification. Set alongside it a bank of four octuple batteries to mirror the arrangement on the upper hull. You don't need to remove the flight deck on a battleship variation. There's more than enough real estate to turn the Venator into a proper battleship without sacrificing starfighter operations. Though you might find it necessary to eliminate any planetary assault operations capability.
Honestly I think this was a horrible application. They should have kept using the Venators as support ships for the Imperials. The versatile role of this ship could both support imperials against capital ships, and provide much needed anti-fighter defense grid. A ship need not look intimidating, but instead have a record of being capable. Having these as carriers would have spelled doom for the rebels, as their main form of attack, the fighters, would be in for a bad day.
@@aaronlonghuynh5245 from a tactical perspective, fuck yeah. But remember the Imperial was brought in to intimidate those that didn't know any better. I'll take a half crewed venator any day over an imperial, so long as my fighters are all manned. But the average civilian will shit their pants at the sight of an Imperial, while just find a way to destroy the Venator.
Combine an Imperial 2 with a Venator, maybe 2. No one’s gonna even speak. Plus, if Venators cost less than imperials, than the credits saved from them could go to better/more starfighters. Checkmate, Rebel Alliance.
Martin Jørgensen from what I’ve hearing been hearing, the Venator packs a serious wallop for it’s small amount of anti ship guns: for turbo lasers, they are apparently very powerful.
It is massively over-gunned for it's size. Those heavy turbolasers have a similar combined level of firepower as an Imperial 1's main battery! And it's less than half the size with a reactor 1/3 the power of an Imp (hence why it has so few laser/medium/light turbolasers)!
You know, I love the design, but here is MY idea for it. Instead of having the 8 turbolasers right next to each other, have them on a sort of "staircase" formation, still next to each other, but have the superfiring configuration, like on old battleships on our world, where the turrets could fire over each other. OH, and 8 turbolasers on the bottom as well, and an increased power supply to help deal with the extra heavy firepower.
Honestly, given how overpowered the reactors of Venators are, you probably wouldn’t even need to mess with it too much. If I’m remembering right the Venator’s got something like triple the output of the Providence.
Might I ask for a video on the Space Battleship Yamato from Space Battleship Yamato 2199? I think the fact that it has a bow mounted gun powerful enough to destroy a continent in a single blast is a good enough reason to take a look at it. IMO anyway. Love the redo of the older video!
Only problem with that thing is........ No shielding and energy usage plus that thing will get deleted in seconds because well an MC-30 is longer than it
Jedi Wolf a mix of both. It can stop both kinetic and energy based weaponry. The shield has taken the full brunt of a MASSIVE thermonuclear planet bomb and stopped the Yamato from receiving damage while it rammed both an enemy warship and a building. It also stopped enemy particle weapons fire from hitting the primary hull.
I love the Venator. Always have since I saw it the first time on the big screen, but years later after I learned the stats of it there has always been one thing that bugged me. Why was it never heavily modified? Like the rebels did with the Mon Cal ships. I mean It can have close to 300 support craft, witch outclasses both the ISD and the MC80 by 4 to one for the ISD and almost 10 to one for the MC80. If the Rebels could add fire power to city ships, You could cut the support craft compliment in half, still have around 150 support craft, witch still beats doth the rebels and empire ships and now you have more then enough space to add some more shield generators and reactors to power both the shields and increase the fire power 10 fold. You could literally have a ship that can stand toe to toe with a MC80 and a ISD, and probably win. And I know the Resurgence class is technically the love child of a ISD and Venator but if we are talking in just the Galactic Civil war time The Venator would be seem to be the perfect ship for the Rebels to modify. Cut the support craft in half(since the rebels didnt have the star fighters number advantage), increase the fire power, and put a Mon Cal Shield or 2 on and Boom. you got a flying tank with a swarm of bees still in it. Or the empire could do something like that. It just seemed to go to waste after the clone wars.
Well, the Rebels did operate a (unnamed) Venator. And the Imperial's used (at least) 1 as a flight school. Aside from that I can think of 5 reasons why the Rebellion couldn't/wouldn't do what you suggested: First) stealing a full sized capital ship (even from a scrap yard) is very hard, much harder than a frigate (like a Nebulon B). Second) finding parts, by the time of the battle of Yavin there would barely be any left anywhere. And most that were left would be war wrecks (and thus the likelihood of there being usable parts would be slim to non). Third) Finding the manpower to properly man such a large ship would also be very difficult. Part of what made the Mon Cala ships so useful to the Rebellion was thier small crew size. Partially from thier previous lives as *cargo and luxury cruise liners* (fuck Disney and their "they were buildings" nonsense) both of which need to keep (especially engineering) operating crew sizes small (and cheap, aka, inexperienced/poorly trained), whereas the Venator had no such pressures and had a very crew intense design (and they needed to be at the very least well trained). And fourth) The modifications you suggested would also be pretty resource intense. And it still wouldn't be able to survive a direct engagement with an Imperial, although it would probably fair better than most Mon Cala cruisers.
The Venators were always my favorite star ship, it's a real shame that they were not used or researched even more by other factions such as the Rebel Alliance, or the New Republic. Instead they just became obsolete and disappeared.
It's hard to believe there were so many different Star Destroyer classes from the Venator Class to the Imperial 1 and 2 classes to the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer to the Star Destroyers of the First Order.
Empire should've used them as well in their massive Navy. Not as primary like the ISD II, but at least there along with the Victories, ISD I's, Arquitens, etc. Same with the Acclamator.
Thanks for explaining the dual bridge, I’d always wondered why it needed two! By far one of the sleekest and coolest looking warships in Star Wars. Took me forever to get my hands on a Titanium diecast of these when I was a kid.
@@wargearinternational7679 The problem with that is that clone helmets can filter out stuff like that, and we've seen that clone armor can protect from the void, shutting off life support wouldn't stop kill everyone on board
@@Stingra87 The problem with that is the clone troopers themselves, the Clone armor has magnetic foot locks, and can protect the wearer from the vacuum of space, I really don't see how the droids could take one over without even a trace of a fight
Good ship, and this was a good look at it. I've always wondered if one of the reasons the Imperials shifted away from a starfighter-heavy doctrine towards a capital-ship doctrine was because starfighters offer the chance for individuals to become heroes, whereas it takes a crew to fight a ship and the captain, the officer, takes the role of hero.
Okay, some design changes, just to make this ship somewhat prettier. - Extend dorsal landing zone to aft, making large landing strip. - Ditch side and bottom hangars, those are pretty bad weak spots. - Connect bridges together. And, probably, connect necks together. Sorry, but this is just silly. - Use dedicated launch catapults for light fighters to free up landing strip somehow. And some minor rearrangements of internal space.
The bridges of the Venator are like most bridges in Star Wars extremly exposed. This never really gets exploided by capital ships, but star fighters do. The two bridges create some kind of redundancy. There have been instances, their one of the Venators bridges was destroyed, but the Venator survived the engament, due to its secondary bridge. Connecting them would weaken the ship.
Honestly landing ability isn't needed, that's what the acclamator-class is for Though I think an acclamator redesign could be useful too. Mainly by sticking all it's big guns on the bottom and giving it a small dorsal bridge, given it's meant to be Star War's answer to a LST but it looks more like baby's first star destroyer.
Not sure if this was mentioned before but in the opening scene on the battle of Kashyyyk, we see a Venator landed on the surface without a ground station to hold it.
@@TheTraumaCentre I hardly believe that. You can clearly see in the video how it is on the ground, aswell as ingame. And why would the wookies have docks capable for a cruiser
TheJaxax are there any visible landing gear? And it’s not impossible for an acclimator to land and for republic engineers to construct a temporary mooring to hold the venator
Always loved the look of these. These and the acclamator class assault ship. They just look good and realistic. Look like what these types of massive space going vessels should look like.
Maintenance, repair, and downtime. Just because you have 200 doesn't mean more than a fraction is going to be combat-ready at any time - in fact, real life fighters spend more time in the repair shop than they do in the air.
That just looks like the scale is off. Assuming all the fighters are 25m long at most, the bay should be *approximately* 40 fighters long(1000m:25=40). The Venator looks too short there. Star Wars' sense of scale is often off.
@@Aniyah-CHG you're wrong with the numbers: 192 v-19-torrent-starfighter - 6m or 192 alpha-3-nimbus-class-v-wing-starfighter - 7.9m; 192 delta-7b-aethersprite-class-starfighter - 8m or 192 eta-2-actis-class-interceptor - 5.47m; 36 arc-170-starfighter - 14.46m. together that's around 3 km (instead of your 10km), if they stand in line, what they don't. there are multiple ships next to each other. it's all correct.
Sin duda es la nave más bonita de todas las que se han diseñado para la saga. It is without a doubt the most beautiful ship of all that have been designed for the saga.
Even after a year this is one of the best ships designs out there that led to productions of others based on it. For the Republic! ahh the nostalgia of clone wars. What a well made video.
I think videos need to make a distinction between "they carried" and "they were capable of carrying", because we never see venators or acclamators carrying their max load of starfighters and troops outside of the two movies
Because Tarkin Doctrine If Thrawn was around when the Empire had a fleet of these he'd have probably had a hyperdrive-less Defender designed and cranked out Victories to support them.
Im more of a Halo universe fan. Always have been since Halo CE back in 2005 was my very first console game. Star Wars i never really like, it was everywhere, even a lot more the halo. their ship design were never pleasing to my eye, never hated them, forsure never liked them. The Venator is the exception and always has been. I dont know why but the Venator Class Star Destroyer, in my eyes; is the Most Beauty of a ship in All of star wars.
One thing is bothering me within the armament of the Venator: 8 Heavy dual turbolaser-turrets (four on each side of the twin bridge) 2 Medium dual turolaser i guess one in each pit near the nose as seen in the opening of SW ep 3 ROTS check time 5:56 52 Point defense [PD] laser all acros the ship I assume so I wonder what about the heavy canons seen in the broadsiding manouver of the Guarlara vs the Invisible Hand? Those didn't look lile PD to me (Weapon strengh, fir rate, firering angle don't match) so where are those counted in the Venator's armament? Am I wrong and those are the PD, are those a special modificaton like Anakain did with the SPHAT in the ventral hangarbays just with other artillery (they look pretty similar to the "regular" artillery used by the Clones, see battle of Cristophsis or 2nd battle of Geonosis) on some other Venators or is there some other explanation (Canon or Legends) where to count those in the Venators armament?
It was actually confirmed that a variant of the AV-7 Anti-Vehicle Artillery cannons that we see during the Clone Wars TV show actually are the weapons that we see being used. And that they were part of the Venator's armament. It should also be noted that the point defense weapons actually had almost turbolaser levels of power and were not at all weak.
You actually got one thing incorrect… Yoda’s Venator landed on Kashyyyk. You can see it in the background. There’s also Battlefront 2 as well, so you probably already know…
Had this idea a while back that instead of starfighters you filled the main hangers of the Venators with missile bays. The Venator torpedo destroyer has a nice ring to it, and if the Empire wanted intimidation, the threat of hundreds of cruise missiles headed an enemy ship's way would definitely do that.
So the times we’ve seen this thing landed planet-side in media are not canonical? My most recent memory of it is SWBF2 to be honest but I’m sure I’ve seen it landed in older content too.
I know there's the Tarkin Doctrine and all other sorts of explanations given for why the ISDs seem nearly useless in the OT, but we all know the real fact is that the plot required the ISDs to be useless, so they were. It's a shame we never got to actually see the destructive power of the ISDs on screen. Even the Executor never really puts up a fight in the movies. What a shame.
But ISDs have point defense, it's clearly seen in episode 4 when the gunner attempts to shoot the rescue capsule with R2-D2 and C-3PO inside. In some games and in TCW those gun stations are clearly used for point defense aswell. It also wouldn't make sense to not have any, it's not like they lack space, crew and ressources to install some point defense. From a military standpoint it would also be madness to not do so
The Venator class is just like our aircraft carriers. I strongly believe it is one of the most powerful ship in the Galactic civil war. And definitely the best the money can buy. The enormous airwing of the ship is the Ace in the Republic army and the massive point defense protection is critical against the smaller air wings of the enemy. I believe that the Empire make a huge mistake by replacing the Venator with the ISD. That's like going from the aircraft carrier to the battleship or reverse to what actually happened in our real life. The ISD is better armed and protected but for that it lacks the massive air fighting force of the Venator not to mention the fighters were actually significantly inferior. On top of that the ISD is helpless against fighter due to the lack of point defense system and it is a lot more expensive than the Venator. It can hold 4 times less and inferior fighters than the Venator. I actually believe that the Venator can take on at least 2 maybe 3 if the pilots are lucky but with heavy causaltties and still win the fight. The argument that the bridge is exposed is lame to my understanding. First the Republic in general used the Venator in a wrong way. The aircraft carrier is always in the back sending aircrafts not in front of the fight. The bridge of the carriers in our world is also exposed so that argument against the Venator is not legit to my understanding.
Thank you for pointing out the SPHA-Ts being used in the Battle of Coruscant. I learned that a while ago in a video by MetaNerdz Lore, and from the release of the new Battlefront II onward, the turbolasers mounted IN FRONT OF THE HANGAR have really bothered me. Great video as well. :)
As much as I liked this ship and the Harrower class from swtor I still think that BSG had the best setup for deploying starfighters and redocking of those ships. Awesome video. Thanks
This is an extended and improved version of a very old Spacedock script, so some of you long-time viewers may recognize some of the paragraphs.
Isn't this one such a beauty though? Thank you! An olddie but a classic!
Any interest in capital ships in Freespace 2 : Blue Planet? Those modder-designed ship are very well balanced as they avoided many common flaws among video game capital ships, and their layered point defense are nightmarish in game even for experienced players.
i enjoyed this one, refitting old videos is welcome as far as I am concerned
That is just a beautiful ship. I appreciate the extension on the video. I think Thrawn started his command on a Venator class.
Y'all provide good and solid content. So if something repeats itself, my god. Shit happened, it does. Knowledge expands, by its very nature. What is learned if ever, overwrites what has been taught.
My all time favourite Star Wars ship, love the big red stripe.
It's to make it go fasta....
I'm still partial to an X-Wing and A-Wing but these are my favourite capital/large ships by far in SW.
I like them better than Imperial SDs. They're a more interesting design.
Thank you
I agree.. I wanna another live action clone wars with More Venators in action!
I can imagine Anakin showing up to the KDY headquarters and go: "Yo, how about we strap a big ass gun under the cruiser? No one ever uses the lower hangar anyway."
He would do that imo. Considering Ani was a war hero at that point, they probably would have listened to his opinion.
I can hear him saying that. Why did you put that sound in my brain
(Camera pans to Ahsoka aggressively taking notes)
Pull the turret off an SPHA and stick it on the ceiling of the bay.
@@autumngottlieb3071 a "The office" close-in
I'm told the Liberation was the pride of the Rebel Fleet. A Venator that fought for the Republic and for the restoration of the Republic.
Her CO was a real peace of work :P
Of course you would
Oh hello there was not expecting you to be here :D
If it was the pride of the rebel fleet, where the hell was it when they attacked the second death star?
Probably performing a flanking manuever, trapping the SDs between Liberation and Home One.
TheXPGamers The CO sounded a lot like you XD
The Venator is one of my favorite sci-fi starships of all time. It's utilitarian and practical, yet it's an elegant, beautiful ship. I've always loved the design elements of wedge-shaped ships like the Venator and Imperial class, all the way back to the ancient Sith warships used during the Old Republic, and even the battleships used during the Mandalorian War. It's a design that can be traced back to the very first warships used by major forces in the galaxy.
I agree 100%. The Venators are sexy, tough, superbly armed, and generally all around excellent
what about the Harrower class Dreadnought?
In my Opinion it to is a Multirole Capital Grade warship. and it can be installed with fleet killing super-weapons
It also looks like it has far less wasted space.
One weird thing though is that there is no bridge connecting the two control towers.
practical? the entire superstructure is split in half. Imagine the ship's shields fail and the hull get surgical striked with heavy turbolaser fire. Due to it's hangars splitting the ship in half it's gonna fall to pieces very quickly.
Compare that to stuff like dreadnought heavy cruiser, a f-ing brick that can keep fighting despite it's hull being turned into swiss cheese
@@miqvPL its meant to be a carrier, not a battleship, meant to be in the back where it won't get hit by anything.
This ship is just so memorable. The silhouette almost looks like a sword.
i heard that the design is actually a sith symbol
Anyone else just *shudder* when they see the Imperial Venators? Like they just look wrong without the big red stripe?
yeah
My thoughts exactly.
budget cuts be like, paint hah we dont need that
@@soul1d it’s not because of budget cuts
It just looks colourless and sad
"Can't land on a planet's surface." We see one landed on Kashyyyk in EP III to help with the droid attack on the Woookiees.
Are you sure it isn't acclamator?
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@@zerox8413 ua-cam.com/video/JkN55Y_xNTQ/v-deo.html 8 seconds to 16 seconds. Again at 24 seconds. Definitely a Venator. There doesn't even appear to be any kind of docking station or other support structure under it from what we can see. I think we can safely conclude that either: A The Venator class can do surface landings. B: This was an error and the ship wasn't supposed to be able to do that (but it is movie canon that it can do so, and I personally take the films as higher canon than cross-sections or other books, good as they are.) Or C: That there existed a Venator variant that added landing capability, either as an innate design feature, or as a modification to one or more ships. The only other live-action scene with a planet-side Venator that I am aware of is when Anakin and Obi-Wan said goodbye to each other for the last time as friends. ua-cam.com/video/mm854yq38jY/v-deo.html There are ramps allowing AT-TEs onto the ship, but it is unclear if those are a part of the ship or a ground structure. No landing gear can be seen retracting, but some kind of supports can be seen in the clip. Again, it is uncertain if these are inherent to the design or an external tool. At any rate, regardless of whether or not they had landing gear themselves, Episode III completely proves that it is possible for these ships to land in one way or another. (Edited for addition footage, comments, and for typo correction.)
@@George-se8dv yep, that's a Venator, at 24 second mark you can see the double com towers
buffalo wt the ones on Coruscant don’t touch the ground either
It needs specific areas to land.
All my favourite clone wars designs: Venator, Providence, LAAT, ATTE, Tri Fighter and ARC170
I would add the Actis Jedi Interceptor and the Delta Aethersprite Jedi Fighter
*Mentions tri-fighter*: I see you are a men of culture as well
I saw u somewhere before dude
The Venator Class is definitely the most aesthetically pleasing star destroyer ever.
i think the republic had the best navy doctrine of any star wars faction.
Agree with that. The variety of CIS ships was a disadvantage. Difficult to support with a single supply chain and almost certain that you'd never have the right type of ship in the right place when you needed it.
The Republic got it right with two light cruiser types, one medium (Acclamator) and one universal heavy design that proved it could be upgraded to stay effective. Much simpler logistics, training and manufacture and more likely to have the ship you need where you need it.
In real life all modern navies (and a lot of airforces) are pursuing this same approach.
What about the old republic
They have my alligence
What about Sith Empire's fleet or Eternal Empire's fleet?
Well no because they use carriers as battlecrusers
Peter Kitching They are more or less Heavy Aviation Cruisers.
I’d definitely take one of those. Maybe convert it into a personal and mobile residence.
i would take the mc 75 as a personal residence
A personal residence crewed by 7000 people 🤔
Jack Skirata agreed, pour in a few more credits so it’s better than just Military grade and you have yourself a great versatile vessel for all occasions.
@@notcool4488 why you... well enjoy good content
@@hafor2846 witch can be replaced by droids.
An uncharacteristically sensible design coming out of Kuat.
Rothana you mean :)
@@Matt-yg8ub no kuat
Thats gotta hurt
The ISDs were sensible... during the clone wars. They weren’t suited for the Galactic Civil War however
Sensible if it was as WW2. If it had weapons the ventral side, (splitting or adding more idc) then it would be infinitely better. But having _none_ at the bottom?
Only flaw with the Venator was lack of medium turbo lasers to go better toe to toe with the CIS Frigates which often could overwhelm a Venator. That said with a bit of hindsight would have the Venator backed up by Victory Class Star Destroyers (wonder when we get to see them in a movie or series) to serve as gun boats and escort craft along side the light cruisers?
Hence as Dan said the massive ventral laser from the hanger bay to compensate for lack of those medium turbo lasers
I would imagine it also has a weaker hull than an ISD since it's much less massive and a huge part of it is empty space.
Compared to an ISD, the Venator's main batteries are supposed to be about the same combined yield, and the Venator's reactor output is slightly over a third of an ISD's reactor output, so you can pretty well understand why the Venator has almost no secondaries.
It is kind of ironic that the pro-Tarkin Imperials thought the Venator wasn't intimidating enough. Apparently they thought that one big fat juicy target was more intimidating than a swarm of well designed star fighters, bombers, gunships etc. Had they foregone the Imperial star destroyer line in favor of periodically refitting, upgrading, and developing new versions of the Venator, they could have reallocated their surplus resources to continue researching, developing, and manufacturing good star fighters, bombers, gunships etc. Discontinuing the Venatir design philosophy was the one decision more than any other that contributed to the downfall of the Galactic Empire.
Plus modifying the design for serving a specialized roles could occur. Need a battleship, supersize the Venator design and keep the same hangar size. Need a pure capital ship, take out the hangar and shorten the length.
@@redenginner Those are all pretty good ideas. Another thing you could do instead of decreasing the size of a battle modified Venator is replace the hangar door with solid hull plating plating, add torpedo madules, and use the available interior space for an additional reactor some redundant shield generators and a massive payload of proton and ion torpedoes (hence the additional modules) Had they continue to researching newer and better star fighters, bombers, gunships, etc, eventually they would have developed models that had independent hyper drives the US making a dedicated Carrier unnecessary outside of maintenance and re-fueling.
@@lancer737 Nothing you mentioned is even close to accurate. The Venator can easily be updated to address any flaw in its design. The same cannot be said for the ISD. The TIE fighters were easily outperformed by both the A-wing and X-wing. The ONLY superior starfighter they had was the TIE Defender which never went into widespread production because the Emperor wasted too much money building superweapons and bulky impractical capital ships. The only advantage they ever had was numerical. As far as the interior of the Venator being exposed when they launched their fighters, that is not a design flaw. The problem was that they were utilizing the carriers improperly. A carrier should have launched its fighters while still well beyond the range of any capital ships. Just because a ship is used improperly does not mean it is a bad ship.
@@lancer737 The rebels lost more fighters during the battle of the Yavin because their starfighters were in a rather poor state of repair, the rebel pilots were overworked, exausted, and barely clinging to hope. Furthermore, the majority of rebel pilots were amateurs. Their few expert pilots were either Imperial defectors or a latent Jedi.The TIE pilots defending the Death Star were the best of the best and likely very well fed and rested. The rebels were also preoccupied with strafing runs and trying to blow up said Death Star. The TIE pilots were most certainly not outnumbered during the battle of Endor regardless of how they were deployed. The argument of superior technology and battle outcome is also inept because many factors besides the quality of a fighter can contribute to victory or defeat. Wedge Antilles Was an expert TIE pilot and he preferred his T65X over the TIE series. Just look at the TIE fighter(also the Interceptor) from a structural perspective. They had no life support, no shielding, negligible armor, their approximation of an eject system existed in a form of two emergency explosives located in the wing pylons, they presented a massive target profile for their size because of those wings, and regardless of their supposedly superior technology, they still had to fire line of sight basically because their visibility was abysmal. This entire argument is irrelevant anyway because my initial statement was based on INCOM recieving full imperial funding. You do realize that the TIE fighter was a scifi analog of the Japanese Mitsubishi zero from WWII don't you?They began as kings of the sky due to their speed and daring pilots, but due to lacking innovation they were quickly outpaced by their Allied counterparts. I'm sorry but you're just plain wrong. Your statements are factually and demonstrably inaccurate. Even the greater lore which draws these very analogs contradicts everything you're saying. The TIE fighters from a filmmaking perspective even, were inferior by design in order to make a rebel victory look believable.
@@lancer737 Oh you mean besides George Lucas himself saying exactly that a multiple occasions? The TIE fighter is cheap and easy to produce. Those are it's only two merits. The x wing and the a wing are just better than. Their weapons, defenses, reliability, durability, are superior. Their shielding and independent hyperdrive also make them far more versatile. Basic infantry weapons can shoot down TIE fighters. Rebel starfighter superiority was the biggest non Jedi contributing factor to the overthrow of the Empire. All of the star fighters from Star Wars were based on World War II fighter planes. Even the dog fights were based on World War II dogfights. That's the whole reason they're banking and rolling in deep space as if there was an atmosphere. Seriously read a book about Star Wars that isn't a Star Wars novel or a comic book and you would know this. If you can't grasp such a simple concept then there is no point continuing this debate.
My personal favourite capital ship of SW. The ship just looks good and kicks ass.
The Venator-Class was the prelude to the Star Destroyer of the Empire and those Venators were beautiful indeed and in the Clone Wars show after Ashoka and Rex survived Order 66 and buried all of the clones in the background you can see a destroyed Venator and it was a very good farewell to the past.
Spacedock: "Venator is unable to land on a planet"
Me: *looks at SW Ep. 3 RotS battle of kashyyyk where a Venator is literally touching the ground*
hamburger ofDOOM I was thinking the same too, there’s a Venator on the ground in Battlefront 2 as well
@Cpt Khan nope it landed
Prolly just an oversight, but it could be chocked up to specialized designs
@@NapalmStrike802 or it being moored to the ground
When Thrawn was commissioning the new ships of the line for his Empire of the Hand, the ship he made was essentially a modernized Venator made using Chiss technology
honestly one of the best ships ever built, terrifying to face, so versatile that it was hard to take advantage of a weakness, a ship that could launch an army to attack any warship it faces, and heavily armed so it could fight other warships by itself, and win. With later modifications like the added beam cannon or whatever it was to the bottom of the cruisers that can obliterate ships with one hit, or seriously damage them to the point of near destruction... The Venator was one hell of a warship, capable of taking on almost any role needed, and the Empire decided to get rid of it. I would really love to see this ship come back in the star wars universe, as a sort of "screw you and you Imperial warships", that and the Venator also is probably one of the best looking ships out there on top of best design and functionality/versatility.
I remember my first reaction to the Venator - "My God, someone designed an actually effective Star Destroyer!! I would have thought that impossible."
Venators are the coolest warships imo. The design language of the empire but with a more detailed and distinctive outline along with the cool hangar and red stripes. Probably the best of its kind in Star Wars imo
By far my favorite capital ship. And unlike it’s Imperial replacement it doesn’t have ridiculously easy to spot weaknesses like the deflector shield generator domes on said ISDs. And Anakin somehow made it even better with an extraordinary addition to the Venator line of ships.
I love this ship, one of my favorite space ships ever.
This video is much appreciated. This, the Lucrehulk, the ARC - 170, the B wing, the N-1 and the Geonosian starfighter are among my favorite ships, just fantastic designs that are unappreciated.
I had somehow missed the ventral hangar laser thing, and certainly didn't notice the one in RotS. Sounds like a very Anakin thing to think of.
Also, it''s always bugged me that they went with a length of 1137 instead of adding one more foot to make it 1138.
Really love the venator, its one my favorite star wars vessels along with the harrower and the arquintens light cruiser, and accalator assault ship
A minor point, you show in your breakdown fighter complement you forget that in addition to what you listed it can also carry another 192 actis class interceptors
The Venator-Class would be the perfect large capital ship design of its era if it wasn't for that horrendous bridge design. Instead, I pout it to you that a Venator featuring an enlarged Arquitens-Class bridge with a flight operations command centre directly beneath it in the superstructure would be a functionally and visually superior design more reminiscent of the Imperator-Class.
Duuude i'm in love with the idea of a battleship variant, remove the main flight deck, add a single large bridge much lower down against the hull and give the thing more heavy turbolaser turret batteries...maybe an additional 2 turrets on top of the hull and 8 on the bottom? with the removal of the flight deck it should have enough space for the power systems and Armour necessary to keep that firepower blasting away.
The class deserves symmetry. Allow for a superstructure ridge running the rear length of the bottom hull up until the ventral docking bay mounting a forward-firing superheavy cannon instead of Skywalker's patch job modification. Set alongside it a bank of four octuple batteries to mirror the arrangement on the upper hull. You don't need to remove the flight deck on a battleship variation.
There's more than enough real estate to turn the Venator into a proper battleship without sacrificing starfighter operations. Though you might find it necessary to eliminate any planetary assault operations capability.
Another reason for the duel bridge design is in case one of the bridges goes down the other can still operate and run the ship and take over charge.
Honestly I think this was a horrible application. They should have kept using the Venators as support ships for the Imperials.
The versatile role of this ship could both support imperials against capital ships, and provide much needed anti-fighter defense grid.
A ship need not look intimidating, but instead have a record of being capable. Having these as carriers would have spelled doom for the rebels, as their main form of attack, the fighters, would be in for a bad day.
bogustoast22 in a way, the Venator is more intimidating. A swarm of high quality fighters is terrifying.
@@aaronlonghuynh5245 from a tactical perspective, fuck yeah. But remember the Imperial was brought in to intimidate those that didn't know any better.
I'll take a half crewed venator any day over an imperial, so long as my fighters are all manned.
But the average civilian will shit their pants at the sight of an Imperial, while just find a way to destroy the Venator.
Combine an Imperial 2 with a Venator, maybe 2. No one’s gonna even speak. Plus, if Venators cost less than imperials, than the credits saved from them could go to better/more starfighters. Checkmate, Rebel Alliance.
@@aaronlonghuynh5245 ... Shit that's actually good.
The Star Destroyer is made to intimidate the enemy. This was built to kill your enemy.
Probably one of the best battleship/carrier hybrids and one of my favorite capitol ship designs besides the Mercury class battlestar
Best looking Star Destroyer, from its split bridge to its hull shape, it just looks amazing. Horrendously under gunned for its size though.
Martin Jørgensen from what I’ve hearing been hearing, the Venator packs a serious wallop for it’s small amount of anti ship guns: for turbo lasers, they are apparently very powerful.
It is massively over-gunned for it's size. Those heavy turbolasers have a similar combined level of firepower as an Imperial 1's main battery! And it's less than half the size with a reactor 1/3 the power of an Imp (hence why it has so few laser/medium/light turbolasers)!
You know, I love the design, but here is MY idea for it.
Instead of having the 8 turbolasers right next to each other, have them on a sort of "staircase" formation, still next to each other, but have the superfiring configuration, like on old battleships on our world, where the turrets could fire over each other. OH, and 8 turbolasers on the bottom as well, and an increased power supply to help deal with the extra heavy firepower.
Well, that's gonna more like a part of a Victory Class Star Destroyer
Honestly, given how overpowered the reactors of Venators are, you probably wouldn’t even need to mess with it too much. If I’m remembering right the Venator’s got something like triple the output of the Providence.
@@Rothana76 You've got a point, extra power probably isn't even needed
@@charliethenecromancer4422 but, OVER KILL...
@@TytonidaeIndustries lmao, smack two beam cannons on the bottom
Might I ask for a video on the Space Battleship Yamato from Space Battleship Yamato 2199? I think the fact that it has a bow mounted gun powerful enough to destroy a continent in a single blast is a good enough reason to take a look at it. IMO anyway. Love the redo of the older video!
Only problem with that thing is........ No shielding and energy usage plus that thing will get deleted in seconds because well an MC-30 is longer than it
The OLD Yamato series didn’t give shielding to the Yamato but the new 2199 and 2202 series gives the Yamato Wave Motion Shielding
@@DrewDyrewood what kind of shielding? Particle or energy?
Jedi Wolf a mix of both. It can stop both kinetic and energy based weaponry. The shield has taken the full brunt of a MASSIVE thermonuclear planet bomb and stopped the Yamato from receiving damage while it rammed both an enemy warship and a building. It also stopped enemy particle weapons fire from hitting the primary hull.
Jedi Wolf Just to be clear, I am talking about the 2199 and 2202 show versions of the ship not the original version from the 1970’s show
Practical yet elegant, a fantastic ship it's my favorite scifi ship my 2nd favorite can't even compete
I love this ship design so much. It even sits above the Imperial Star Destroyers for me
I always loved the Venator ships. A true look on how multi role ships are (As much it could of course)
I love the Venator. Always have since I saw it the first time on the big screen, but years later after I learned the stats of it there has always been one thing that bugged me. Why was it never heavily modified? Like the rebels did with the Mon Cal ships. I mean It can have close to 300 support craft, witch outclasses both the ISD and the MC80 by 4 to one for the ISD and almost 10 to one for the MC80. If the Rebels could add fire power to city ships, You could cut the support craft compliment in half, still have around 150 support craft, witch still beats doth the rebels and empire ships and now you have more then enough space to add some more shield generators and reactors to power both the shields and increase the fire power 10 fold. You could literally have a ship that can stand toe to toe with a MC80 and a ISD, and probably win. And I know the Resurgence class is technically the love child of a ISD and Venator but if we are talking in just the Galactic Civil war time The Venator would be seem to be the perfect ship for the Rebels to modify. Cut the support craft in half(since the rebels didnt have the star fighters number advantage), increase the fire power, and put a Mon Cal Shield or 2 on and Boom. you got a flying tank with a swarm of bees still in it. Or the empire could do something like that. It just seemed to go to waste after the clone wars.
Well, the Rebels did operate a (unnamed) Venator. And the Imperial's used (at least) 1 as a flight school. Aside from that I can think of 5 reasons why the Rebellion couldn't/wouldn't do what you suggested: First) stealing a full sized capital ship (even from a scrap yard) is very hard, much harder than a frigate (like a Nebulon B). Second) finding parts, by the time of the battle of Yavin there would barely be any left anywhere. And most that were left would be war wrecks (and thus the likelihood of there being usable parts would be slim to non). Third) Finding the manpower to properly man such a large ship would also be very difficult. Part of what made the Mon Cala ships so useful to the Rebellion was thier small crew size. Partially from thier previous lives as *cargo and luxury cruise liners* (fuck Disney and their "they were buildings" nonsense) both of which need to keep (especially engineering) operating crew sizes small (and cheap, aka, inexperienced/poorly trained), whereas the Venator had no such pressures and had a very crew intense design (and they needed to be at the very least well trained). And fourth) The modifications you suggested would also be pretty resource intense. And it still wouldn't be able to survive a direct engagement with an Imperial, although it would probably fair better than most Mon Cala cruisers.
The Venators were always my favorite star ship, it's a real shame that they were not used or researched even more by other factions such as the Rebel Alliance, or the New Republic. Instead they just became obsolete and disappeared.
I'm loving the Venator a bit more every time.
It's hard to believe there were so many different Star Destroyer classes from the Venator Class to the Imperial 1 and 2 classes to the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer to the Star Destroyers of the First Order.
The Venator Class Star Destroyer is the Star Wars equivalent of a US Aircraft Carrier.
Empire should've used them as well in their massive Navy. Not as primary like the ISD II, but at least there along with the Victories, ISD I's, Arquitens, etc. Same with the Acclamator.
I absolutely love this ship
Thanks for explaining the dual bridge, I’d always wondered why it needed two! By far one of the sleekest and coolest looking warships in Star Wars. Took me forever to get my hands on a Titanium diecast of these when I was a kid.
This is more than a ship, it's a show of force, a work of art.
With that many crew I never understood how the CIS managed to capture one completely undetected
Biological or chemical weapons maybe. I could also imagine commando droids taking the bridge and shutting down the life support systems.
@@wargearinternational7679 The problem with that is that clone helmets can filter out stuff like that, and we've seen that clone armor can protect from the void, shutting off life support wouldn't stop kill everyone on board
@@Stingra87 The problem with that is the clone troopers themselves, the Clone armor has magnetic foot locks, and can protect the wearer from the vacuum of space, I really don't see how the droids could take one over without even a trace of a fight
Unfortunately the plot demanded such and our logic is overruled by the narration
They only managed to do it because TCW was a fucking stupid show
Good ship, and this was a good look at it.
I've always wondered if one of the reasons the Imperials shifted away from a starfighter-heavy doctrine towards a capital-ship doctrine was because starfighters offer the chance for individuals to become heroes, whereas it takes a crew to fight a ship and the captain, the officer, takes the role of hero.
Still the stupidest decision in science fiction.
MY FAVORITE STAR WARS CAPITAL SHIP!
The most robust cruiser in the star wars galaxy we see this ship throughout the t.v. series star wars the clone wars that's why I love it
Okay, some design changes, just to make this ship somewhat prettier.
- Extend dorsal landing zone to aft, making large landing strip.
- Ditch side and bottom hangars, those are pretty bad weak spots.
- Connect bridges together. And, probably, connect necks together. Sorry, but this is just silly.
- Use dedicated launch catapults for light fighters to free up landing strip somehow.
And some minor rearrangements of internal space.
I disagree the ship looks nicer the way it is.
The bridges of the Venator are like most bridges in Star Wars extremly exposed. This never really gets exploided by capital ships, but star fighters do. The two bridges create some kind of redundancy. There have been instances, their one of the Venators bridges was destroyed, but the Venator survived the engament, due to its secondary bridge. Connecting them would weaken the ship.
Me: Need more dakka.
No, seriously, she need more guns.
The dorsal strip is not a landing strip. It’s a giant hangar door.
Ships in Star Wars don’t need runways, they’re all VTOL aircraft.
Honestly landing ability isn't needed, that's what the acclamator-class is for
Though I think an acclamator redesign could be useful too. Mainly by sticking all it's big guns on the bottom and giving it a small dorsal bridge, given it's meant to be Star War's answer to a LST but it looks more like baby's first star destroyer.
Not sure if this was mentioned before but in the opening scene on the battle of Kashyyyk, we see a Venator landed on the surface without a ground station to hold it.
*2:56* They can land. You see one landed on Kashyyyk in Revenge of the Sith.
Are you sure it's not Acclamator? ua-cam.com/video/6tgA4aaRcl8/v-deo.html
@@zerox8413 It's not. You can see it clearly in this video ua-cam.com/video/JkN55Y_xNTQ/v-deo.html . And also on the kashyyk map in battlefront 2.
It’s not landed on the surface. It’s moored at a dock
@@TheTraumaCentre I hardly believe that. You can clearly see in the video how it is on the ground, aswell as ingame. And why would the wookies have docks capable for a cruiser
TheJaxax are there any visible landing gear? And it’s not impossible for an acclimator to land and for republic engineers to construct a temporary mooring to hold the venator
Always loved the look of these. These and the acclamator class assault ship.
They just look good and realistic. Look like what these types of massive space going vessels should look like.
1:27 "192 fighters" (every venator launches 5)
Maintenance, repair, and downtime. Just because you have 200 doesn't mean more than a fraction is going to be combat-ready at any time - in fact, real life fighters spend more time in the repair shop than they do in the air.
@@DavidBarkland Welp, having around 97% of your fighters in a cruiser during a battle sounds like a waste
That just looks like the scale is off. Assuming all the fighters are 25m long at most, the bay should be *approximately* 40 fighters long(1000m:25=40). The Venator looks too short there.
Star Wars' sense of scale is often off.
@@Aniyah-CHG you're wrong with the numbers: 192 v-19-torrent-starfighter - 6m or 192 alpha-3-nimbus-class-v-wing-starfighter - 7.9m; 192 delta-7b-aethersprite-class-starfighter - 8m or 192 eta-2-actis-class-interceptor - 5.47m; 36 arc-170-starfighter - 14.46m. together that's around 3 km (instead of your 10km), if they stand in line, what they don't. there are multiple ships next to each other. it's all correct.
Guys its because its expensive to animate
You said that the Venator couldn't land on a planet’s surface but in Revenge of the Sith you can see a Venator on the Surface of Kashyyk (2 y's or 3)
I think this is the first time we got ftl range for these ships. Class 1.0 hyperdrives gives a range of 60 thousand light years. Good to know.
This is my favorite ship in Star Wars. Thanks for the video.
Best ship in the fleet.
Of any fleet.
Sultan is that an RvB reference?
(cough) Battlestar Galactica (cough)
Reality Rejection Service (macges Honour)
The Venator-class Star Destroyer is my favorite cruiser from Star Wars. I've always wondered why it had 2 command decks.
Venators actually can land on the surface of planets one landed on kashyyk in rots
I love the whole "ghost ship" vibe you get at the start of the mission in Republic Commando. 😂
If Anakin was the Resolute, and Obi-Wan was the Negotiator, does that mean there's a Venator named the Muppet?
For who? Yoda?
and another the Muttafaka
Sin duda es la nave más bonita de todas las que se han diseñado para la saga.
It is without a doubt the most beautiful ship of all that have been designed for the saga.
You should do some more from Homeworld. Got plenty of cool, underappreciated ships there like Sajuuk
Even after a year this is one of the best ships designs out there that led to productions of others based on it. For the Republic! ahh the nostalgia of clone wars. What a well made video.
The episode I never requested, but always wanted.
Also I'm continually convinced that The Tarkin Doctrine is French.
I think videos need to make a distinction between "they carried" and "they were capable of carrying", because we never see venators or acclamators carrying their max load of starfighters and troops outside of the two movies
Love the Venator. Wish they would somehow bring the Harrower to canon.
Oh, excellent. So good to see one of my favorite ships again in your videos.
Venator is best Star Destroyer
Coolest Star Wars capital ship design ever. Your clone wars era videos make always make me want to fire up empire at war (w/ clone wars mods)
Can you do a Victory Class Star Destroyer one? Great video
I love the detail and lore these videos are packed with!
Why did the Empire not include this ship with their Imperial classes? Imagine the two of them working together against the Rebellion.
True
Because Tarkin Doctrine
If Thrawn was around when the Empire had a fleet of these he'd have probably had a hyperdrive-less Defender designed and cranked out Victories to support them.
Im more of a Halo universe fan. Always have been since Halo CE back in 2005 was my very first console game. Star Wars i never really like, it was everywhere, even a lot more the halo. their ship design were never pleasing to my eye, never hated them, forsure never liked them. The Venator is the exception and always has been. I dont know why but the Venator Class Star Destroyer, in my eyes; is the Most Beauty of a ship in All of star wars.
One thing is bothering me within the armament of the Venator:
8 Heavy dual turbolaser-turrets (four on each side of the twin bridge)
2 Medium dual turolaser i guess one in each pit near the nose as seen in the opening of SW ep 3 ROTS check time 5:56
52 Point defense [PD] laser all acros the ship I assume
so I wonder what about the heavy canons seen in the broadsiding manouver of the Guarlara vs the Invisible Hand?
Those didn't look lile PD to me (Weapon strengh, fir rate, firering angle don't match) so where are those counted in the Venator's armament?
Am I wrong and those are the PD, are those a special modificaton like Anakain did with the SPHAT in the ventral hangarbays just with other artillery (they look pretty similar to the "regular" artillery used by the Clones, see battle of Cristophsis or 2nd battle of Geonosis) on some other Venators or is there some other explanation (Canon or Legends) where to count those in the Venators armament?
It was actually confirmed that a variant of the AV-7 Anti-Vehicle Artillery cannons that we see during the Clone Wars TV show actually are the weapons that we see being used. And that they were part of the Venator's armament.
It should also be noted that the point defense weapons actually had almost turbolaser levels of power and were not at all weak.
Thanks
You actually got one thing incorrect… Yoda’s Venator landed on Kashyyyk. You can see it in the background. There’s also Battlefront 2 as well, so you probably already know…
I'm wondering why it isn't 1138 meters in length.
I thought it was 1155 meters.......(canon)
Oh I love this ship
Was that Mount and Blade music I could hear or am I insane ? :D anyway great video as always
insane.
Do you know the soundtrack? Its awsome
No, it is main theme from Star War: The Old Republic, I think its actual name is the Battle of the Hydian Way
Ah makes more sense, I must say its got a lot of similar cues to tracks from Mount and Blade Warband then :D
Had this idea a while back that instead of starfighters you filled the main hangers of the Venators with missile bays. The Venator torpedo destroyer has a nice ring to it, and if the Empire wanted intimidation, the threat of hundreds of cruise missiles headed an enemy ship's way would definitely do that.
5:51 SPHA Turbolaser = What Idazmi thinks a single phaser shot would do to a kilometer-long Star Destroyer.
The funny thing about that comment is that Phasers actually do exist in star wars.
@@Legionzzzz1 not as a Nadion weapon though, but as some kind of weird sonic thermal projector.
You can target the bridge you know.
The Venator is so iconic and represents the clone wars Era the best.
So the times we’ve seen this thing landed planet-side in media are not canonical? My most recent memory of it is SWBF2 to be honest but I’m sure I’ve seen it landed in older content too.
A pity, all the lives aboard it, needlessly lost to the misuse of the Venator.
That's why Mon cal shielding is so freaking overpowered..........NOT ahahahahahahahaha now time to eat my SPHA-T guns :3
Grand Admiral Thrawn With some modifications, and if it had a smaller crew, thrawn would have a field day with the Venator.
I know there's the Tarkin Doctrine and all other sorts of explanations given for why the ISDs seem nearly useless in the OT, but we all know the real fact is that the plot required the ISDs to be useless, so they were. It's a shame we never got to actually see the destructive power of the ISDs on screen. Even the Executor never really puts up a fight in the movies. What a shame.
Its battle carrier, the armor, durability & secondary guns of battleships with the benefits of the speed and fighter forces of the carriers,
This will always be my favorite space ship design!
love at first sight
This video is so cool and displays a huge amount of carful research. Kudos to you guys!! It's awesome!!
I love your guys videos. It gives me such a better understanding on how some of the vehicles in different shows and movies. I love it!
I like extended versions. I love longer videos.
Nice breakdown! I like how you went into detail about my favorite ship from the Clone wars era, great video!
Fantastic video Spacedock!! 😄😄
But ISDs have point defense, it's clearly seen in episode 4 when the gunner attempts to shoot the rescue capsule with R2-D2 and C-3PO inside. In some games and in TCW those gun stations are clearly used for point defense aswell. It also wouldn't make sense to not have any, it's not like they lack space, crew and ressources to install some point defense. From a military standpoint it would also be madness to not do so
Only the isd1 have point defense weappons
The Venator class is just like our aircraft carriers. I strongly believe it is one of the most powerful ship in the Galactic civil war. And definitely the best the money can buy. The enormous airwing of the ship is the Ace in the Republic army and the massive point defense protection is critical against the smaller air wings of the enemy. I believe that the Empire make a huge mistake by replacing the Venator with the ISD. That's like going from the aircraft carrier to the battleship or reverse to what actually happened in our real life. The ISD is better armed and protected but for that it lacks the massive air fighting force of the Venator not to mention the fighters were actually significantly inferior. On top of that the ISD is helpless against fighter due to the lack of point defense system and it is a lot more expensive than the Venator. It can hold 4 times less and inferior fighters than the Venator. I actually believe that the Venator can take on at least 2 maybe 3 if the pilots are lucky but with heavy causaltties and still win the fight. The argument that the bridge is exposed is lame to my understanding. First the Republic in general used the Venator in a wrong way. The aircraft carrier is always in the back sending aircrafts not in front of the fight. The bridge of the carriers in our world is also exposed so that argument against the Venator is not legit to my understanding.
Thank you for pointing out the SPHA-Ts being used in the Battle of Coruscant. I learned that a while ago in a video by MetaNerdz Lore, and from the release of the new Battlefront II onward, the turbolasers mounted IN FRONT OF THE HANGAR have really bothered me. Great video as well. :)
I really enjoy these videos with extended lore and video clips - plus everything so so much more intelligent and profound in British English ;)
As much as I liked this ship and the Harrower class from swtor I still think that BSG had the best setup for deploying starfighters and redocking of those ships. Awesome video. Thanks