Ruger LCP II "Lite Rack" .22 LR ultimate range review ft. 40 grain CCI Velocitor
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- CCI has entered the chat! In this, the fifth(?) installment of shooting review videos of the Ruger LCP II "Lite Rack" .22 LR we make the final determination on the guns reliability, thus it is the ultimate range review - featuring the 40 grain Aguila Super Extra and new box of 40 grain CCI Velocitor ammunition!
ProChrono velocity test results show the Velocitors’s average muzzle energy at 92.5 ft-lbs out of the 2.75” barrel!
Quite a bit of spread on those velocities?
+/-6% and yes, I was surprised by that too. I was expecting more like +/-3% with CCi ammo. On the other hand, my very old ProChrono, which I bought used, is maybe not as precise as it should be anymore. I will definitely retest the Velocitors when I get a new chronograph. Even so, an average of 92.5 ft-lbs of energy from a 2.75" .22 auto is outstanding. That's over half of their rated muzzle energy from a rifle!
I have a Sterling Model 302 semi auto pistol with a 2 inch barrel. The extractor blew off when I shot CCI Stingers in it. I replaced the part and spring. Since then i haven't shot any hyper velocity 22s in it. I made up a chart of velocities and recoil energy from other brands using data from their web sites. I was surprised by some. The energy from the Stinger out of the 2 inch barrel was 67 foot pounds. The Aguila Velocitor was 69, the Interceptor was 83, the Winchester segmented was 83, the Winchester Silvertip was 92, Federal Champion training 22 was 80 qne the Minimag 40 gr roundnose was 75 foot pounds. all higher than the Stinger. Some was due to the heavier 40 grain bullet but several surprised me if my figures are accurate. The extractor breakage may not have been due to the Stinger. It may have been brittle stainless steel in the part or a blown out rim. In looking at the chember the chamber appears rough and may affect extraction and timing. I want to error on the side of caution but some of the high energy really surprised me.@@GeographyCzar
I love my Ruger .22. Tiny and cheap to shoot. I literally put it in my pocket and carry it all day, just like my wallet. It takes no change in wardrobe, no decision about type of holster to work with what I’m wearing. No self-conscious concern about it accidentally showing. Just part of the wardrobe.
1021 fps with a 40gr bullet sounds much more suited for self defense than a 29 grain bullet and slightly higher velocity...
It will leave a mark!
i looked at the .22lr punch and decided to go with winchester 40gr HP at like 1400 fps. obviously not that much out of a pistol, but to me that just sounds like alot more energy coming out of the barrel.
I just bought 3 boxes of velocitors off the CCI Ammunition website for my Ruger. Thanks for the video.
Cool stuff. Back in the AWB days, the only magazines I could get for my Colt AR-15A2 were USGI and whatever were mass produced before the ban kicked in. There were no fancy magazines like we have today. I would mark the ones that I had feed failures with. It didn't take too long to work out which magazines were just garbage and stop using them.
AMEN!🇺🇸
Put a spring kit in mine from galloway precision. I have only had 2 failures to feed with all sorts of various ammo over the last year of shooting almost every evening im home. Pretty sure those failures were because it had gotten dirty. Love my lcp. The spring kit made it one of the most reliable autoloading pistols I’ve ever messed with.
What do you think makes the most difference in the kit? The recoil spring? I don’t have issues with light primer strikes but sometimes the slide doesn’t lock back or the slide will prematurely lock back. It was much much worse I sent it to ruger they mostly got it running but not where I want it for a .22 I know .22s will never be 100% but I’d like at least 95% reliability or something
Just the front recoil spring
I tried at least 6 different brands/loads in mine and found these things are temperamental. Anything with a wide hollow point caused me issues but once I found what it liked, I have had zero issues since. Mine is fun to shoot, is now reliable and spot on at 20 to 30 feet. Glad you found your issues. Thanks for the video.
Get a spring kit from gallowayprecision.com/
Which ammo does yours prefer? I picked up a new one on sale last year and I'm just now getting around to try it out.
@@ChrisfromGeorgia anything with a round nose or very small hollow point seems to cycle fine. Flat nose self defense or larger hollow point openings do not seem to cycle at all. It also does not like anything subsonic at all. Tried out of curiosity and never got the first round to cycle to the next. Mine liked any of the Anguilla and most CCI. It did not like the Norma and Federal Punch.
@@mattbell3362 I really appreciate your thorough information Matt. This will keep me away from any unnecessary headaches while saving money!
Take care and stay vigilant.
The CCI Velocitor runs about 882 FPS out of a 2 inch barrel. The Velocitor rated the highest at about 69 foot pounds of recoil energy of all the 22 ammo I have done calculations on. A 40 grain bullet often makes a big difference.
looks like .75 inches more make a 140 fps difference, that's quite a lot.
Thanks for posting the vid. Got mine today and ran 100 rounds through it. It currently does not like the Velocitors or anything that is slightly longer. Ran CCI standard, Eley Club, Blazer, and Golden Bullets with no issue. I had the high feed issue and noticed it was only on the Velocitors. It was an easy fix by pushing the round down slightly and it chambered, but not anything I would trust. The other ammo was flawless. Going to try the Silvertips and Punch next. Thanks again for posting.
Velocitor is pretty much cheating. It’s like shooting 22 WinMag in your 22 LR. Great video, nice to see you’re getting the magazine feeding issue sorted out. 👍
I've never shot velocitors but I did find a box of some of Aguila's equivalent loading and BOY they were noticably louder than high velocity ammo and especially louder than standard velocity ammo. It would be cool to see you get a hold of some and compare them to the velocitors from various barrel lengths.
Mine was a very early one and had to go back. Ruger was great to deal with and it’s been 100% since I got it back.
We got an LCP II .22 in at the end of September for a demo/rental gun and put a few hundred rounds of various ammo through it over the next two days. We were experiencing a 25% failure to fire rate from light primer strikes. At the end of the second day, we got an RMA from Ruger and back it went. They replaced the hammer and hammer spring and sent it back. It worked much better, with just an occasional light strike, but the slide lock would engage about once every 3rd or 4th mag with rounds still left in the mag. After a couple weeks and a few hundred more rounds, the rear of the firing pin broke off. Another firing pin is on the way. Stingers I think are just too long, and would often give a nose up jam into the chamber. The Aguila 40 grain Super Extra rounds result in the slide stop engaging far more often than anything else, pretty much every mag - perhaps the extra bullet weight and high velocity are the culprit - videos conclusively show it is not the shooters accidentally hitting the lever.
We've got about 1500 rounds through it, with field strip and cleaning at least every 150 rounds, and our experience with this one example would lead us to not recommend it to customers as a defensive carry gun, but we'd like to try a couple more before committing to a full thumbs down. If you seriously think you need to carry a defensive pistol, one that jams or otherwise malfunctions (slide lock) every fifty or hundred rounds is completely unacceptable.
bought some new mags a few days ago. They seemed different when loading. Then shot em and they worked quite a bit better. so mags are killing it as well as a weak hammer spring. Got the sigard spring kit and it helped alot. Update: I found that if you check the spread on the mag lips, they can cause issues when they are too spread out. I roll the feed lips on some ar500 steel to press them in just the slightest bit. Will take a caliper to the feed lips to seee what the optimum spread is.
38 and higher seems to work best with the lcp2 22lr. I enjoyed the video. Thanks!
Good video, Dave. Some semi-autos have very distinct dietary preferences and your LCP Lite-Rack .22 LR appears to be a member of that group. Determine a fussy semi-auto's ammo preference and you're good to go.
M*Carbo makes an LCP2 22LR recoil spring upgrade. Put one in my lil' Ruger and she eats anything. Velocitors are my round of choice, but the Federal 45 grain Subsonics are also brilliant EDC-ranged rounds for carry...
i got rid of my ruger lcp 22lr. i have and love my ruger sr22. it is reliable and easy to use. you are patient to hang onto your lcp.
I own them both...i like shooting the sr22 way more...but i carry p365...or lcp 2 pocket...
Carrying sr22 is no go...bigger than p365
Thank You !
Take that bad mag and throw it down into your woods there. Don't keep it as it may accidentally end up in your rotation. Mags are not expensive enough to risk your life for when you need the gun to work. Many times guns get blamed for poor mag performance. Good job diagnosing the problem.
ruger sent me 2 free mags when i told thm the mags were bad
Ruger will replace defective mags as well. All types.
Mine performs flawlessly with it's first 500 rounds of CCI Stinger's, haven't tried Velociter's yet
Stingers are the best. If yours runs Stingers, you've got the round you're looking for!
The mags are made very different from a normal mag with this gun, It has an enormously long coil spring that powers the follower. On a gun this size we'd normally expect a mag capacity of 6-7. A full size Ruger Mark 4 only gets 10 in the mag. This must be the reason for the new odd design and maybe this is the reason it is a little more finicky. It's very strange but it works in the 2 mags I have.
Nice video, and thanks for the great content.
Velocity test is interesting
A few years ago I started buying only CCI ammo. I'm sure there are others that will work, but I know CCI's will.
Both the Aguila Interceptor and CCI Velocitor make the CCI Mini Mags seem kind of tame. You're getting your 80 ft-lbs out of them for sure.
9 times out of 10 when a .22 won't cycle it's because the weapon isn't properly cleaned and lubricated.
Agreed.
And most 22 semi autos have very tight tolerances, so any round that is slightly canted or loose in it's casing can cause a misfeed.
I have 5 mags for my sig/gsg 1911 22lr, one of them has the same problem with high feeding
The he and velocitors gave me my only “light strikes”
Number your magazines and keep track of failures. Maybe it's your magazine.
So i have had the same issue with the extra mag i bought. It’s from Ruger but doesn’t run as smooth as the mag that came with the gun. I plink with mini mags and carry stingers.
A couple weeks back, I scored a 500 round pack of CCI Velocitor. It cost me dearly and I couldn't buy more because of rationing. Anyway, I just purchased a Beretta 21A Bobcat in 22LR on Gun Broker. Hopefully I'll have it on hand before the next weekend. I don't know if I'll ever use it for concealed carry. It's more of a cool factor for me. I've been wanting a flip up barrel for a very long time. My recent 10/22 acquisition helped push me over the edge on pulling the trigger on getting one.
Good video, informative. Thanks.
Great review. Thanks!
One of five mags has issues.... it was one of the originals I got.
In my experiences with this gun, the heavier rounds cycle better.
Try some federal punch 🤘
Great video. Might order one of those.
Number the mags , 22 long RIFLE ammo, pistol use 40gr RN'S ✔, lower velocity rounds might be faster out of pistol.
I run Aguila Interceptor 40 grain solids in my LCP2s. I've run all the CCIs with mostly good luck. Tried the super hot Federal Punch, but they will not function in any of my LCP2s. I have 14+1 TandemKross conversions on my LCP2s and carry one on my leg and the other in my right back pocket. I carry standard mags as backup and have learned that about 25 percent of them don't function properly without stretching the springs. They also need to be cleaned regularly. I've have been carrying for 50 years with everything from 9mm to 45, but I only carry these easy to shoot quick and accurately little pistols now.
I would like to get one of those.
Nice video I would love to know how much veloster's are going in stores in your neck of the woods
$7.99/box, limit 2 and there were still some left 29 hours later so I bought 2 more boxes, lol!
Try the Federal punch 22.
Jams
The same thing was happening to me today with the Velocitor.
very nice video, sir.
When the LCP fails to feed like that (I think you called it high nose) can you tell, is it the slide lock engaging prematurely? Or is it the cartridge getting wedged in the opening so that the slide can't close?
I read some reports online that the slide-lock tab which is normally pressed by an empty magazine can sometimes be toggled by a loading cartridge, causing the slide to lock out prematurely when the mag isn't empty yet. Not sure if that is what you are experiencing here.
I have had my LCP II 22lr for about a little over a year, fired about 250-300 CCI mini mags through it and it broke. I couldn't pull the trigger., it was like it never reset. Sent it back to Ruger, got it back in less than ten days. They said the trigger bar was replaced. I fired it yesterday (total rounds since I got it back was about 250 -300) and, IT BROKE AGAIN. Same issue, trigger felt like it never reset. Anyone else have these issues? I think Ruger is more intent on getting guns out the door rather than making quality guns. It wasn't like this when Bill Ruger was alive.
Love the gun..400 rounds so far, CCI standard, CCI Mini Mag, CCI velocitor and Aguila Super Extra have been phenomenal..4 FTF..and it probably had something to do with scraping/pressing down trying to load the 5th or 6th round..I have never had to put so much pressure loading after the 4th round for any magazine..the auto loader it comes with does not make it much better..Is there an auto loader for these mags that gets it right?
The "mag-lula" type design is the only one I'm aware of. Loading those magazines by hand is not a good idea so far as I'm concerned. If I ever lose that one that came with the gun, I'll order another for sure.
From this vid and others I've seen, that gun just isn't makin it. Too bad. Thanks for the vid👍!
800 flawless rds in mine mixed ammo: cci, aguila, wildcat, rem bulk
@@jzzz8371 good to know. Thanks👍!
@@jzzz8371 link or your lying
@@357-swagnumultramagax9 link to what? mine runs i dont have the issues that some others have, there are some reporting the same. be aware galloway recoil spring has resolved fte/ftf issues for problem lcp22 22s, but mine didnt need it.
@@jzzz8371 you and Chris from LuckyGunner, lol! I don't know why some are perfect and some are sh*t. Mine is definitely in between.
Get u a Tx 22 it eats anything
I looked, but traded it for a Walther instead of a Taurus. Not sure that was smart now...
Tx 22 bro don’t let the name fool ya
Gotb gifted some Rem-viper's B4 that ole mix match stuff. Anybody try them in this pistol TY 4 help
Our lcp ll is very finicky...currently the diet is mini-mags, blazers, and thunderbolts...this past week I ran 100 thunderbolts without a stoppage of any kind using 3 different magazines...of course the next box I open could be flunky, the charm of bulk ammo...we don't carry the gun, but I'd probably go with the mini-mags first, although the other two have run pretty reliably...we do load velocitors in our NAA, there nothing inherently wrong with the round...a big key to the lcp ll is keeping it clean, I can count on one finger the problems encountered in the first 30-40 rounds, whereas after 70-80 rounds operation becomes a smidgen more iffy...ymmv...
Mine likes Velocitors
Some Ruger LCPs are unpredictably finicky, some won't malfunction unless you seriously limp-wrist them.
You don't number your magazines to determine if a particular one is unreliable?
so the velocity is below the speed of sound but I still hear a supersonic crack?...or that's not what it sounds like?
do you think that your recoil spring would wear out more with velocitor ? or is it a non issue
Maybe. We ran another 70 rounds through the thing today, 40 of Mini-Mag and 30 of Velociter. I just wanted to make sure the 2 magazines we've identified as reliable worked flawlessly for my wife since she's probably going to be carrying this gun later this week. It ran absolutely perfectly. I ordered 200 more Velocitors. If we wear out the recoil spring, I will definitely report.
@@GeographyCzar i use cci velocitors in my glock conversion kit ! very snappy muzzle rise so you have to watch the sights . Seiller and belliot high velocity ammo another good high velocity round .
How do you know when you recoil spring is warn out and need replacing ?
@@geezerp1982 lol, I have no idea how you'd know if your recoil spring is worn out and needs replacing. I assume the gun stops cycling ammo properly.
They won’t expand out of a handgun
Stingers will!
The spring in that one magazine is a little weak or to strong...
Yeah, I've marked it. My wife wanted me to throw it out, but I want to try to figure out why it's doing what it's doing. It's out of her carry rotation at least.
What holster are you using?
if you call ruger they will replace that magazine they have the best service department of all the gun mfg. hands down
Man just get a tx22 compact and call it a day 13+1
Ruger made LCPs for malfunction practice. It’s not just 22, they do the same thing in 380.
The hp does nothing at this velocity. Better off using solids like that Aguila, or Punch. And even if the hp did open, it wouldn’t penetrate deep enough.
I still don’t thing it’s reliable enough as a primary carry.
Agreed. Close, but not something I'd bet my life on.
Limp-wristing JK 😆