Tutorial - How to Install a Matt Bellamy style XY MIDIpad Kaoss Pad Controller
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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In this episode, Ben Crowe, luthier at www.crimsonguitars.com goes through the entire process of installing a 2 axis MIDI controlling touch screen from AmpTone Lab, into a client's Godin guitar. (Please Note: Crimson Guitars no longer sells these systems.)
The XY MIDIpad controller is most commonly used to control a Korg Kaoss pad by artists like Muse's Matt Bellamy, however, they can be programmed to control everything from a keyboard to a digital wah pedal.
Using Amptone Labs superb kit the installation process is relatively straightforward, as long as you can use a router effectively and don't mind cutting holes in your guitar. You don't have to know very much at all about electronics, as it's all been made as fool-proof as possible.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:37 Preparing to cut the holes into the guitar
2:32 The conundrum - finding somewhere to place the MIDIpad controls?
3:25 Routing out the cavity
4:52 The recess - cutting through the lacquer with a chisel
5:54 Wiring cavity and now the hardware begins to go in.
9:45 The touchscreen and ribbon cable and screen surround
12:31 Connect the battery and check it all out!
13:03 Conclusion
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YOU sir have answered all my questions for the kaoss pad installation. Wow I'm just seriously impressed. Thank you so much for sharing this with us x
You get used to it :) The first time I had to drill into a £3000 PRS the customer happened to be watching.. I'll never forget his face, the horror was priceless!!
Thank you! It is a very good kit.. We also have several custom Muse type guitars to build in the next few months with the amptone lab kit that I'm really looking forward to..
Thank you! Well, I've used several of the available xy control pads and this is the best by far.. Mainly because Amptone Lab are so professional.. enjoy :-)
i never use effects and have been a firm believer in the guitar and amp doing all of the work for your tone, but i am really impressed by all this new technology. i have a feeling that these new ideas will make young kids more attracted to guitars instead of dj/computer equipment, and for that reason, i support it.
It does take a more skilful musician than I to get the most out of the touchpad but it can be great fun, glad I won you over :)
Fair play this guy amazing, his voice doesn't match his image, but some how it just works reminds me a bit of that slingshot guy. ROCK ONN DUDES !!
@Sup3rmassiveDeadStar my pleasure, glad to help!
Spot on! There are dozens or even hundreds of things that can be controlled via this unit from synths to lighting rigs to pc based studio effects.. Practically limitless and down to your imagination :-)
Thank you, it's a slow building thing is UA-cam but I really enjoy the process, you'd be surprised how much I learn about guitar building from peoples comments and suggestions on my .. a never ending process :)
You absolutely can, the MIDI controller could be mounted on a box and still do its job properly, it's not actually connected to the electronics of the guitar or bass in any way.. and you sure could have some fun with the end result!
We are the UK Amptone Lab distributors now and you can get them directly from our online shop, we could also fit the kit for you for £165... all in you're looking at around £285 fully installed.
You make fantastic videos. I'm looking forward to setting aside some time and watching your build series. Thank you.
You are so skilled sir. My hat's off to ya!
wow, i just found your channel, and i am surprised you dont have more subscribers, you make amazing videos! keep it up mate!
great job.after watching the relicing psr vid i was a bit confused but you do great craftsmenship on your work and are really good at what you do.
the xy MIDIpad costs £115 plus postage, if you want it installed you will have to send us the guitar (postage varies depending on where you are, we are in Somerset UK) and the installation costs an extra £155.. basically £270 plus postage costs.
Not sure where you are but we ship all over the world, generally you can expect to have it within 5 days of ordering through the CrimsonGuitars shop.. there's a link in the video description :)
I had a lot of people who follow the daily photo stream (facebook/twitter etc) who said the same thing but in the end it comes down to creating the instrument the client wants and if they have a few grand for me to cut into that's their call.. I would draw the line at a 'good' les paul or the like but didn't feel too guilty this time round.. the clients happy and I got good footage for a video.. alls good. thanks for following us :)
Thank you so much! This video is going to help me a lot when installing mi kit
It looks like a Godin xtSA Lightburst Flame. That's a superb guitar!
Personally I always prefer a simple guitar, well made and with a great amp, however some people do like this sort of guitar with built in effects and a MIDI controller. The only thing you said that was factually incorrect is about 'computers doing it for you'.. with the xy MIDIpad you have control of a Kaoss pad, digitech whammy or PC.. the only difference is that it is built into the guitar rather than in the studio.
This video is great!!! It will help me so much in my up coming guitar projects
THANK YOU!!!
Amptone Lab sell all over the world and are priced very reasonably, currently at EUR139 for the big unit and EUR129 for the smaller, plus shipping of course.. good luck with your build :)
Really cool, but the old-school imagery of the guitar clashes completely with the modern/futuristic look of the pad (particularly with stuff like the LED ring). It would fit a lot more on a more modern, clean looking guitar, imo.
But still -- awesome. :)
Yes, you can install a MIDI pad in your strat, though it would have to be the slightly smaller 'mini' due to the space issue.. Same capability but smaller screen. Both will be available in the new Crimson Guitars estore in the next week or two :-)
I have really long drill bits that allow me to get in at the right angle, alternatively you can drill through using the jack socket as access if you need to go from the side of the guitar..
As a musician (of sorts I suppose) I personally agree whole-heartedly, a good amp, good guitar and lead is all you really need.. I've been debating whether the tone control is even really essential! On a guitar building level however I'm willing to facilitate anything so long as the end result is attractive and playable. I am thinking about building a small ipad type device in a guitar one day for on board fx and recording.. but that's probably one step too far!? Thanks for watching!
Very impressive!
I'm really not a MIDI expert but the best on board MIDI system I've ever used is the Ghost acoustiphonic/hexaphonic combination.. bonus being you get an awesome piezo sound that would sound PHAT with a fretless! Easy to install too and the board is about 2" by 1 1/2" so not big by any means :) hope this helps!
Awesome work & videos !
Really impressed !
personally I agree with you, my personal guitars are simple as possible emphasising tone over toys but if I can build it, and a client asks, I will :)
Fully installed and including a battery box and standard knob (bits that don't ship with the kit) I usually charge £325, though it may vary a little depending on the guitar.. each one has an individual personality, some are kind to luthiers some not so! :-) Thanks for watching!
Free hand routing with the guitar intact. You must have balls the size of watermelons. :D
I believe the reason for the wires pointing away from pots, is so that the screen is always oriented the same, when the ribbon is attached, so your Y axis isn't reverse.
They do build a slightly smaller version that fits better on strats but yes it can work on any guitar.. The MIDIpad can control most any MIDI device you want but it's best to talk to Amptone Lab themselves for the specifics on how that would work. Thanks for watchin :-)
And its still relevant today haha thanks a lot
I love these videos
Oh I will, I'm an Android man and as soon as their ecosystem has enough of the right apps I'll be building in a small touch pad.. Though maybe a pc or linux based tablet pc would do just as well? Fun fun fun!!
Yes we could.. we're in Somerset, UK. supplying and fitting the xy pad costs £285, supplying and installing a humbucker sized sustainer system costs £325, so all in it would be £610... if you do both jobs at the same time though I'll knock off £25..
You need a MIDI lead plugged in to the Kaos pad fro the guitar and a jack lead from the guitar to the Kaoss pad.. but you can control all the settings from the guitar.. select the sound you want the volume and the hold button.. it's all good!
YES I KNEW IT!
I SAW THE BODY WITH THE CUT OUT IN YOUR HOW TO VIDEO!
It can be fitted in a carved top guitar if you route a cavity for the surround as well as the screen etc, or you could build up one end of the body with a bit of wood that's flat on top but carved to match the body on the other.. alternatively a les paul junior or similar may well fit the bill.., they have flat tops?
Crimson Custom Guitars, I have a question. At the end of the video you show the 9v battery powering the touch midi controller on the guitar. May I ask where you put that on the guitar? I would assume it would be a accessible cavity in the back, but I want to be sure before I install. Thanks!
We absolutely could install the system for you, although it really is pretty straight forward to do and any luthier who has seen this video and is able to do his job properly should be able to do it fine.. postage of the guitar back and forth could be pretty damn expensive! I'll ask around though. I would appreciate it if you bought the unit through my shop though.. every little helps and we deliver quickly!
You absolutely could build an MIDI controlling touch screen into a bass guitar.. it would probably be a first! Anyway, no physical reason why not to at all and you could certainly have some fun with the final result!
Very helpful video! Thank you so much! I have a question though. I'm planning on having one of these installed, and while every luthier is different I'm sure, how kuch did you charge to install it? And how much do you think I should expect to pay to have one installed? I'm in the states and I've heard some fair sounding quotes to some outrageous ones...just looking for some more input :) thanks!
Hey Matt, it does need a battery.. I don't concentrate on that in this video but it's a standard 9 volt one in the back..
you can put this system in an acoustic although you would have to jury rig some way to suspend the LED in the right place.. I would suggest that may be a job for a luthier as you would have to worry about brace positions and strength etc how handy are you with tools?
We need to know the measurements behind the bridge to see whether you want the standard or mini xy MIDIpad fitted. The standard one is 128mm x 107mm and the smaller is 98 x 76mm. If you draw these on some paper and cut it out you will see whether you have enough space on your guitars top for our system.
How did you create the holes for the hold button and the rotary encoder?
I will do, the next time someone asks me to do that I'll film it for you :) thanks for watching
Yeah haha . I actually want to put one on my epiphone nighthawk for a school project and im trying to figure out how to install it and how I can use it as im not very familiar with this technology but it fascinates me and I think it can be very useful if I learn how to use it .
MASTER!
Would you recommend increasing the size of a pre routed guitar for your controls?
thanks! sorry also if i did this installation do i just get a midi lead and plug straight into the kaoss pad? and choose what setting i want then it will control from the midi controller?
Our prices have actually gone down! We're now stockists of the MIDIpad and get a better price on them. £285 will get you an xy MIDIpad and full installation into most guitars.. turn around is about 3 working days I'd at the moment..
you might have just created the worlds most complicated electric guitar. :D
only one little point of criticism: i had to turn up my monitor amp, to understand you. the audio quality is absolutely fine, but the leveling is too quiet.
Thank you, I had all sorts of issues getting the audio right but we have it sorted now.. Thanks for persevering with this one though!
to connect the kaoss pad, do you just get a 5 pin midi cable and connect it to the guitar midi input, then have a regular guitar cable into an amp for it to work?
curious if you could simply surface-mount the screen & only drill the ribbon cable route, locate the harnesses/ control block in a existing cavity?
Is it possible for me to do this on my Ibanez Jem7V prestige (steve vai signature model)? It doesn't have a lot of body so i definitely need the smaller version, but i'd also like to implement a sustainer and a killswitch. that would make such an awesome and futuristic guitar in my opinion. But i suppose that's easier said than done. Any recommendations on this? because i know it won't be easy, and where'd all the wiring go on an already pretty thin guitar.
wow. you have balls to drill into that beautiful wood and finish like that. i think i would throw up a bit in my mouth as the drillbit first made contact. epic nerves bro.
Do you have to have a battery for it to work or can you just put a midi cable going from the guitar to a kaossilator?
If I were to buy this guitar, Epiphone Les Paul Special II Ebony, could you put a kaoss pad in if I already had one? Like is the size ok and everything else
Just out of interest, what is your criteria for endorsing artists? And this work looks really good, really good workmanship! Nice to see these days!
have you ever tried using a smaller screen and putting it below the strings, so you could play the strings normally but control the screen with your little finger? most mods seem to put them where you cant reach
also, im curious why so much wood is routed for the box with the circuit in it? wouldnt the screen be more solid if only enough space was routed to fit the circuit. you wouldnt want to put your finger through that when your rocking out!
I know this is an old video. But would this be compatible with the line 6 HX Effects?
i couldnt tell what kind of power switch that was but would it be possible to wire it to a stereo output jack so that the pad turns on whenever the cable is connected? great tut thx
also how did u do the route for the button and switches from the side without going in from the back of the guitar?
hi!!! Is there any other way if I don't want to modify the body and actually if I don't have the tools to do it? Really useful tutorial !
I am currently building a guitar with a midi pad and I don't know how fast in the cavity needs to be or of that even matters. Can you give me a idea?
would it be difficult to get one of those MIDI pads to fit a Les Paul?
would the curve on the front of the guitar be a problem?
With just installing the pad is enough? Or is there an additional control panel where you manage the settings?
I am getting a guitar with a kaoss pad built in are there any wires or software i need to get to get it to work?
In about 4 years when I get a job and enough money to do this I will definetly do so.
will this work with a basic stratocaster shape guitar? also will this touch pad work with a drum machine? thanks
hey so im sure you're aware that matt bellamy's mb-1 guitar has both the kaoss pad and the sustainer pickups, so basically would you guys be able to install both of those on a gibson sg? and also where are you located, and finally what would the estimate price for that be?
you don't need it no, but when utilised properly it makes some very interesting, unique and awesome sounds
You mentioned the battery holder isn't very good, I need a battery holder for my build that holds the battery on its side. Do you know of where wood sell a good quality holder that actually holds the battery properly?
I've got a guitar with a wilshire body. Would the XY pad fit? If not, would the Mini one? Thanks!
I've messed up the white screen- the surface diffusing diodes light. Anywhere I can get a replacement one?
I love MUSE!!! :)
Me too, i want a kaoss pad on my guitar so bad
Would you mind if you did a video on how to install a piezo?
How much is the price of this guitar and Robert Fripp Slim Vine?
Could you build a custom guitar that includes drop-tuneable trem, graphtech hexpander kit, sustainer neck, BKP Nailbomb, killswitch and xy pad for Kaoss pad? If then, what's the approx. price?
Sorry for the questions but I can't help it. I'm too curious.
The standard xy MIDIpad is 128mm x 107mm and the smaller is 98 x 76mm.. do you need one in your life?
Could this midi controller run to a Boss GT-10 effects board, or do I neeeeed a Kaoss Pad?
Hey could you put sampler buttons such as those on a midi controller on the guitar? If so how much would it cost, because this setup would be essential to me!
Looks like a Roland GK-3 kit in there. Is that a 13-pin din connector in the middle? Excellent job fitting that kit.
I wish your volume was recorded so it could be heard
you gotta put you volume ALL the way up
would this work with controlling a mini kaoss pad
what do you do with the battery?
Dear, dear this seems to have sparked a massive debate, I wonder if I should go for the Kaoss pad upgrade first or the Fernandes Sustainer
Do I have to buy the controller midipad and kaoss pad separately?
and im assuming i'd be supplying the sustainer system and the xy pad?
These videos have evolved in current day. This one is nearly impossible to hear, while today’s are generally more appropriate sounding (though still quiet)
I want one! Where can I find this type of Kaoss pad to build it in my guitar? I'm just wondering because when I get my second guitar I am planning to have something like Matt Bellamy's one :)
Hello friend, excellent your work.
XYMIDIPADMINI install my system, but I have a ground noise every time I touch the screen.
and try:
-Insolate cavity circuit with foil.
-connect ground wire to the Kaoss Pad 2
-soldar a ground wire to the volume potentiometer
Any other ideas? please help
i live in the us is there any possible way that i can send in my guitar and have it installed and mailed back?
Hey, I know this is a midipad but are you able to install other pads such as a Korg Mini Kaoss pad 2? They have Ibanez guitars ready made with them but I don't like ibanez guitars. Are you able to build one in to a telecaster for example?:)
Sure! What's stopping you I have a friend in a metal band who put one in a ltd tele.
+MrDirtBaggins ah thank you! Are there certain places that can do it for me in England? I'm not very clever when it comes to these things
I can't help you there sorry. You can probably look on instructables.com but this midi pad in my opinion is a better option. With the midi pad you are not limited to a kaoss pad.
Is it possible to connect a Kaoss Pad to a Pedal Board and use the MIDI controller then?