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Ep 21 Taking a Cheap Kit Guitar and Making it GREAT - The XY MIDI Pad Demo
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
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The 21st, and penultimate, video in a new series from www.crimsonguit... following an untried apprentice as he, with master Luthier Ben Crowe's supervision, turns an £80 kit telecaster into something worthy of the cover of one of the world's biggest guitar magazines - Premier Guitar.
Finally, the demo video! This guitar, which began life as a basic kit, is played by Ben Kerridge fro Just James - / wearejustjames
What do you think?
Please note that these videos were filmed in 2013 and Howard is no longer with Crimson Guitars.
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0:00 Introduction
0:33 The demonstration!
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6:02 Classic Telecaster sound!
Rick M lol!!!
Shit Break horrendous noise!
This made my day haha
That is almost a better joke than the guitar itself
hahahaha
but what did the actual guitar sound like not just the pad thingy
Nice, but what does the guitar sound like?
Sounds like the amp its plugged into....
AWESOME demo of the korg chaos pad,
when are we going to get the demo of the actual guitar tones?
after watching 21 episodes of grinding to make that shit set a beautiful and respectable instrument i didnt get to hear it. instead i got a demo of the xy midi controller... shame. The only work you did on that was fitting it and plugging it in. The guitar deserved that spotlight instead.
absolutely agree. Can you guys make another video?
i agree............
The Telecaster is a beautiful and simple electric guitar. This video is an anti-climax.
Snobs
You had me until that ugly and horrible sounding pad thing went in.
+Joe bob I'm sorry! :(
Joe bob Yup, same here, silly noise generator. Stopped being a course in how to build the kit properly, turned into add for silly box..
Simon Watts Matt Bellamy uses a kaos pad well though
Joe bob me too. The work on the top with the oils looks stunning. Then go and put that thing in, spoiled it in my opinion.
Can do some sweet stuff with it but I feel it's more in the realms of Satch or Morello for effects.
Don't apologize we need innovation in music, your build series was amazing. Yes this guitar looks funky, but its a custom build right? So funky it is :-)
The midi pad just isn't my cup of tea, beautiful guitar otherwise.
Agreed. Though I have to admit I thought the distortion tone was quite nice but I wanted to hear it plugged directly into a Marshall tube stack without the Midi on. Not that I have anything against the demo or the guitarist as I thought it was cool for what was done rather what it would've sounded like. Damn the accountant got it. Taxes, eh Ben? LoL ;)
Yeah, all I ever seem to want is a nice guitar and, when necessary, some good old fashioned overdriven tubes. I'll definitely try to learn as much as I can from the channel though, I know that lots of artists use effects even if I don't prefer to use them myself. :) Definitely a wonderful video set, quite enjoyable and instructive.
Yeah, all I ever seem to want is a nice guitar and, when necessary, some good old fashioned overdriven tubes. I'll definitely try to learn as much as I can from the channel though, I know that lots of artists use effects even if I don't prefer to use them myself. :) Definitely a wonderful video set, quite enjoyable and instructive.
I also agree. You've smartened up a cheap kit guitar by spending a fortune in parts and time on it. We poorer builders can never afford that equipment and tooling. The Telecaster is the working mans axe. This is a toy and could never be gigged in a pub. Perhaps its just a show piece as it's made very well, but at what total cost with man hours ? US$3000.00 ?
My words exactly!
Seriously guys... I have looked at all the construction process, waiting to see - or should i say hear - if that crapy kit was turned into a gem... And I am now listening to a crapy Korg demo...
+Nathan Jouhannaud I think I will be getting her back for a proper demo this weekend. This has become a sore point for us now.
nice video series-and demo of the electronics but as of most of us, a full demo of how the actual guitar sounds and feels like is what we are waiting for, not how to use the "gadget" thingie there
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Where is the "Proper Demo?"
I watched this process from the start. They transformed a a few pieces of wood into something really beautiful and the workmanship was second to none. I couldn't wait to hear the final result and then they gave to someone who who made it sound like £100 bad copy being pushed through a 10 watt biscuit tin. What a shame :(
can the midipad be used to make it sound like a guitar?
ben ,i love u,the guitar is great,but please,if u have to have someone demo the axe,use Toby,cause this guy just making noise,
Yes, that's what they said about Hendrix
yeah you'll never please everybody. I think this guy did a good job.
I thought it was the luthier's girlfriend.
Who knows? In this day and age, one cannot be too careful.
Maybe he uses both bathrooms.
Would like to hear the guitar clean.
+esquehill we've just got her back and will do a new demo next week.. Finally!
Should've been called "cheap guitar transformed into noisy video game"
He drove for 4 hours to get there, so he must be someone special. If he can play a guitar, we still dont know...
Barry P Walker I guess all those producers like Hanz zimmer are only making video game music on their computer, synths and midi devices.
hahahahahahahaaaa
Horrendous tone he's getting there... I hate to nay-say, but if you're going to all of that trouble putting a beautiful top on a telecaster, the last thing in the world you should do is jam a midi pad into the thing. Nothing against the technology, it's just on the wrong guitar.
You ever seen Matt Bellamy's guitars -which is the kind of thing they're basing this off? It has the tele shape, and that's it. They're not trying to make a telecaster-sounding guitar at all. Plus, consider that the PUPs are a still the POS of they were using - they haven't done anything about them yet, so it should sound better once it's not outfitted with £5 pickups
diniles Cool... and my opinion is that if they're not trying to make a "telecaster-sounding guitar," then they should have either bought a different kit (one that isn't a telecaster) or at least not bothered to do all that woodwork/add the attractive top (which really only makes sense on a "telecaster-sounding" guitar)... especially if they're just going to ruin the nice top that they just made by carving a giant rectangle into it for a fucking computer. But I can at least agree that the tone would be much improved without the 5 pound (don't have that symbol on my keypad here in America) pickups.
PS. no I haven't seen Matt Bellamy's guitars, and I think you've just convinced me not to check them out.
Jesse Cole I agree that woodwork is something more traditional style - but, if who says that just because a guitar has the shpe of a tele, it has to be a tele, have tele tone etc? I agree, I actually don't particularly like the xy pad, but "the guitar's a tele" is not reason that they can't make it into something muse-styled.Why does it only make sense to have a nice top on a tele-style guitar? Metal doesn't have to be played on a matte-black guitar with an angled headstock, country doesn't have to be played on a butterscotch tele (though metal through a tele would be a better better than country through an explorer I think ;) )
diniles I'm just stating my opinion. I don't like carving a giant hole in a tele with an attractive top. I think it's a waste. The midi pad, to me, makes the guitar look cheap... the _top_ gave the guitar the potential to look very nice. It's a contrast. Like ketchup on ice cream. It doesn't belong there.
Jesse Cole I have to agree about the top. Whilst I didn't like the top itself, it does seem that the midi pad contrasts with it rather badly. However, I didn't like the top at all in the first place, so there's not much I can say really...
its such a shame that the korg chaos pad looks so cheap :/ its a beautiful guitar on its own after what you guys did to it, but the kaos pad makes it look extremely cheap :(
Dennis van der Kooij Even though most guitars (that aren't the Ibanez RGKP6) that have an XY midi controller cost somewhere in the range of $5,000?
I wish I had watched this last video before watching the previous 20... I thought this would show how a cheap £80 guitar could be improved by using woodworking skills, veneers and upgraded components. I was a little disappointing to hear the final result having thrown around £420 worth of electronics that makes this sound more like a synthesizer rather than a traditional guitar. You've promised an update so we can hear what the guitar sounds like without the midi stuff, so where is video 22 in the series ?
Guitar demo, or midipad demo??
Did my best to be supportive here of a custom build, and walked away less than thrilled. While I "get" that the technology is some kind of enhancement for the guitar, it comes off as ugly and awkward. Hate if you want, but this is a waste of what could have been a beautiful tele-style guitar.
I still don't have clear idea what the guitar sounds like, just the pad.
Am I the only one that is loving this build anyone waiting twenty odd episodes to hear a telecaster just go into a thousand other videos of telecasters and they all sound the same . This was supposed to be a load of crap taken to the limit and that’s what they did .
Brilliant - I'm not sure that pad is my cup of tea but I've enjoyed the making of the guitar.....
I've started making a few guitars from kits and experimented with veneer and full nitrocellulose paint.
I've even used your excellent stunning stains!!
Such good value and I have enough to do 20 guitars!! Enough for a lifetime!
You should sell sample sizes at the same price - I'd still buy them! They are very concentrated so use with care but under the guidance of the UA-cam tutorial very easy to use!
This dude needs a full pad, not a guitar >
Okwolus David Gilmore didn't need one or Run like hell
its amazing what you can do with a cheapy kit, if you have two luthiers , a fully stocked workshop, a load of time and you throw a ton of money at it.
Very Interesting all the way through but my wife says she uses a midi pad every month, bloody horrible.
I just spent a whole afternoon learning to build a nice little kit guitar... 21 episodes worth.... and never got to hear the sound of a telecaster.... but at least I learned some luthier tricks. So thanks for that.
This guitar is an amazing build. I love how the xy pad has so many sonic possibilities to offer. Too bad most guitarists are afraid of technology past the 1960s.
Disappointed to have spent the last couple of hours watching this guitar being built to not actually hear it? Despite some long winded commentary, (Yes we know this is a cheap £80 kit, how many times did you have to tell us.) The saving grace is your apprentice, and of course one day getting to hear how it actually sounds. Did you turn a cheap kit into something beautiful? Otherwise thanks for all 21 videos. Hope to see the next ones with the experience of this one taken into account.
+Ken Jackson we have it back in the workshop, after many months of trying to catch up with the owner, and will be shooting a final video demo of it next week.. Thank you for watching so far and for your support!
Did that video ever go up?
so? did that ever happen?
Crimson Custom Guitars where is the video?
What I wanted: To hear what the guitar sounded like and see if Howard did a good job with what was given to him.
What I got: A tutorial on how a midi pad works.
I'm a fan of a lot of the guitars you build but these midi pad make me want to smash my face into a wall. I just cannot stand them and they look cheap and tacky on what would have been a great guitar. Lynchburg
So how much did it cost and what does the guitar actually play like.???? I expected to hear sounds of different instruments from the midi so cant see the point of distorting the distortion. I was very impressed with the whole build right up to the point of it being played.
So if you want a guitar that sounds like space invaders you've had a result.
Personally I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. Just because you can make a guitar do this doesn't mean you should.
Wow, talk about a marathon guitar build series! I started out thinking it was going to be 3 parts. Great attention to detail -- I learned a lot. Thanks! It would be nice if the light diffuser came in black. I'm pretty sure you could get those buttons in gold from a electronics supply house ...or else disassemble them and send off to a gold electroplating house. I like how you customized the head of the neckstock. How about hearing how clean it can sound? Thanks again.
I'm a cue maker and thinking about making a kit guitar myself and doing it up a bit so this video series was perfect for me. The midi thingy effects were good with bad sound. Frank Marino was doing that with regular effects forty years ago with awesome tone, then again he's about the best there's ever been.
That would have been a very pretty guitar with a gold bigsby on it, and one side of the top was lighter than the other and needed more coats of oil to match it, something you should have picked up on to be honest, apart from that excellent, thanks.
the cut of the wood changes how it looks when book-matched.. basically one half of it is absorbing more light than the other and it changes depending on the light, nothing can be done when this happens, you will see this on many acoustics too.. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Thanks for that info Ben, as a cue maker I don't do book matching. BTW if you have any 35mm square offcuts from 500mm to 1500mm going spare then you can sell them off to cue makers as that's what we use. No shakes or knots though.
hey...thanks for taking the time to do this....just because I don't really groove on the pad midi thingy doesn't mean that I didn't appreciate the many tips I picked up throughout....folks are kinda mean these days...too bad...looks badass....
Countersink the control panel, lose the midi and get a better bridge/bridge pick up plate thing and it would be gorgeous.
Turned out great... cept that xy pad garbage... fucked it all off with that glowing turdstain
I really enjoyed watching the build of this model, i don't really care for the midi pad gizmo but it was interesting to see it done non the less. i will be referring to the videos when i get around to my own project...soon i hope. It would have been nice to have heard the guitar instead of the gizmo demo, but i have faith that you will get around to that shortly.
Having literally spent my evening watching all 21 parts in order I have come to the following conclusions :
1) Don't buy a DIY telecaster unless you happen to also have a woodworking shop handy. And some skills. And a dogsbody.
2) If you do, somehow, have the above, don't ruin it by sticking a giant gimmick into the arse end.
3) Don't overglue your binding. Don't use the guitar as a bench.
Otherwise, very informative and entertaining (Clearly, I watched them all back to back). But lordy stay far away from a DIY guitar, particularly if (like I did) you got an F in woodwork.
I just discovered Crimson Custom Guitars, and have been watching as many as I can find. This build is cool. I wouldn't do it to a nice guitar, and I would assume that was the point. What other crazy, madness (Muse) can we expect from this guy.
This series is Netflix worthy!!! Amazing
Nice build. Any reason why you chose not to string through?
Complain, complain, complain. Yeah, we all watched a long build on something that started looking traditional but we knew it wouldn't look that way in the end. Ben heard you and he will fix it so it sounds like a "real" guitar. Whatever that is. Progress comes at the cost of the same old thing for a while. Thanks Ben and Howard.
I do have to say, I'm not so into the chaos pad, but you guys did wonders taking a cheap kit p.o.s. Guitar and turning it into something very nice. Definitely gave me quite a few ideas to build something myself. Like I said though, minus the xy pad, but awesome job working with junk to start with. Just goes to show, you CAN polish a turd lol. Great job guys. Keep up the good work!
Just binge-watched the whole series in one go this evening. Wish i still had my workshop, i'd love to build a guitar, that top on the guitar is beautiful! (The kaoss pad, not so much;)
I really do think a mahogany neck would fatten up the mids from this device, and tame the overly aggressive highs. I'm also hearing a little too much mild steel. My guess is the truss rod. But that wooden pickup surround really added a lot of warmth at 6:02
Fun series. Kinda agree about the touch screen addition, not for me but you can get some cool synth sounds from it. I prefer to play guitar rather than fiddle with technology, but I'm an old guy. Good series and thanks for posting.
Let sombody good play guitar
Absolutely worth watching ... it's only midnight though so I'll have to watch another project for two hours I guess.
Whaaaaaaaaaa !!! The title of the videos is not true anymore... She's not just great, she's monstrous !!! It's always a pleasure to see your videos and your savoir-faire... Monstrous, totally monstrous !!!
Franky i enjoyed the build very much, but the sound results... yeah... My old Korg synthesizers can do that to. Being a pretty clean blues guitar player, in my ears it has not much to do with guitars anymore. You can do the same with a Roland Keytar and they are around since midi. Or with a Korg Kaossilator, even the little yellow one.
Nevertheless i learned a lot about building guitars for my first try. But that will be an old fashioned one,...... with a Bigsby.
you made a great guitar from that kit.... but that midi thrash ruined all your good work :-(
You guys did a fantastic job on the actual build. A beautiful book-matched top, nice carve work, outstanding multilayer binding, painstaking attention to detail, custom touches throughout . . And then . . WTF!
Kick ass demo of the midi pad and the effects it can do.
i appreciate the tech. not all guitars are classic rebuilds. tons of potential here. its just too many bands get lost in the effects. not all of course.
Well, it's been an absolutely fascinating (and educational) series! Yeah, it was about five times more work than I'd want to put into a hundred-dollar kit, but it did indeed achieve its stated purpose! I have to agree with those who felt it was a bit over the top, the Midi is cool but that's what Mighty Odin invented keyboard players with synthesizers for, IMHO. I could certainly see doing much of this on a "parts built" guitar -- y'know, one in which you select your own parts from the jump, rather than start with a POS that needs everything replaced and/or worked on. But as I said, a wonderful series! I spent the last couple days just watching it. Thanks Ben, Howard, and all!
I'm certain that the next St pepper will be written on a guitar like this. NOT
Dan Earliwine would have had a heart attach watching this "about HERE BUILD"
What a wast of time and a truly beautiful basic guitar!
i watch 20 videos( for 3 days) waiting to hear this...wow WOW.. SO WORTH IT
PREVIOUS 20 VIDEOS..
to bad, beautiful stunning guitar and incredible work by all ruined by that window but opinions vary
+GUITARWANNEBEE EVH (Craig) several years on and I kind of agree with you :/
lol, do another one ...
Without the crazy electronics and stupid sound effects, just classic and pure
We've all been waiting so long for this. It's finally here!
Just discovered this playlist, what a beauty of a guitar it became! The top, the binding, but the highlight for me anyway definitely is the custom pickup surround, wow! Of course the midi pad thingy is not for everyone, but I think you showed really well, how far you can take a cheap kit guitar.
They turned that beautiful guitar into a Key-tar®
So this is what it sounds like as a midi-generator. Gr8. But what does it sound like as a guitar?
I think this would fit well with Rush's more synth heavy progressive sort of stuff.
Agreed,I've seen quite a few demo's of the pad and thought it was shite.After seeing this demo I have to have one.Congrats!!
Ben, could you do another video without the xy pad tones so we can hear what it will sound like clean and dirty! Thanks, another truely awesome video.
Learned a lot. That kaoss pad thing is amazing. My only concern is all the tools you would need to buy to do such a conversion on your own guitar- routers, grinders sanders drills etc. You could buy a custom guitar cheaper. Do any luthier workshops let you rent time by the hour or day?
Ive enjoyed this series.. but. would like to hear how the guitar itself sounds.. not just the midi feature. how does it play/sound without all the effects on?
Pretty neat effect, but I'm not really sure I would want that big white square on the top of my guitar. Then again, i'm not real big on digital effects. Would have been nice to hear the guitar without that midi pad on, and with standard tuning. I'm not real big on drop tuning either. The way I see it, if you want to play in D, then tune all of the strings down to D standard. But that's just me,...
Well, it's bizarre alright! From around 6:00 through 7:10 I couldn't decide if he was playing part of Edgar Winter's Frankenstein or Pacman, so I just laughed!
That pad thing is aweful.
Like awful but with more "whu....?!"
Great series.......I really enjoyed the first 20 parts and the idea of turning a sows ear into a silk purse.........the midi demo was proof the electronics function........I wish you would do another demo to see what the electrics sound like....................I was interested in hearing your choice of "tele" pick-ups in their three settings.............what would the riffs from "working Man blues" or "Misty" or "Sandman" or "Mistery Train" or "Funk 49" or even "Purple Haze" sound like? (compared to a "stock" tele) ..........................that beautiful instrument is screaming - play ME ...........................JRW
Does it actually play well though. I would have been interested to hear it played just on amp settings, no pedals, no power chords. Thought it could be road tested a bit better.
I can't imagine what creative musicians are going to do with that. Can you imagine if a band like Depeche Mode had that in the 1980s? Or Van-Halen?
We are still waiting for the new demo :)
Noel fielding blaggin us that he can play. Stick to cakes
Yeah this was awesome until that pad went in! However, it makes someone else happy so oh well. Thanks for this video series! I had to binge watch! You guys are awesome!
2:21am. Just finished watching this build. When I get fired you owe me a job as an apprentice luthier.
You should do a similar kit upgrade video series on a Neck Thru Body guitar, eh??
I watched twenty videos of great ideas and craftsmanship hoping to hear a great guitar ,only to be served up a child's toy demo,.In my opinion this video did disservice to the craftsmanship demonstrated in the previous twenty I just sat through.Pity about the games console,the woodwork was beautiful
Gents, love the outcome. The tone you reached here is epic, nevermind the butthurt from traditionalists whining about the fact that it's a Tele, you guys have made something really awesome.
Ruined a cool guitar with some shit that makes noise. If you want to play Caos pads just use one.
This has been an incredibly fun/interesting/informative/inspiring series. Your skills are phenomenal.
Thanks.
Is there a video showing the guitar being played without the midi pad?
....aaaaaaaand NOW I decide to read the comments. It looks like a clean/rock play through would be popular though.
I’ve always wanted a tele that sounds like an AOL dial up, said no one, ever
Ben watched all the episodes and in my opinion you and Howard did a great job. Would love to see you do a similar job on an acoustic kit.
Thank you for the demo video. Would you say that the money spent on the kit offset the time and materials that would of been spent had you not used the kit to begin with?
What a journey this series was! Picked up a little here and there. Absolutely beautiful thank you.
I have had the pleasure of playing your guitars in the past
And no doubt it is perfect. In response to some of your comments u should tell all to stuff the no doubt fender squire they have straight up there .!!! You get the point
Can't tell if he's plugged into the line 6 spider, or the fender... And why.
6:46 - amazing classic Tele sound I grew up on
Anxiously awaiting the demo of Ben's 12 hour build!
Lovely guitar. Barring the Midi pad. Put it through a decent amp please guys.
And not a Shite 6 Shiter!
the pad is awesome! classic and modern musical functions all in a single instrument!
Ben, mucho thanks to both you and Howard for everything. I learned a helluva lot from all of these episodes. Things that I may not have otherwise have ever considered about guitar building, customizing and even repair from you fellas. Plus you both have great sense of humor throughout this entire series even when the shit was deep at times. Kudos. Now I have to go get myself a kit and some tools. ;)
mic up that god damn amp dear god how hard is it
+Tim Hedlund this was filmed a very long time ago, many many people wanted a demo and we have not been able to get the guitar back in for a miced up demo. Hopefully it will happen one day but this will do until then.
You sir sound like a complete fucking tool, and not the quality ones on offer from Bens store ;)
I disagree, in this video you can hear the guitar and the processing that is happening together. This way it helps someone understand the power and versatility this set up offers. It's not how great this guitar sounds, it's what it can do. If you want to hear a how a guitar sounds through an amp go play one.
occgenius are you kidding me? the actual sound from him strumming is louder than the amp
I checked it out with my incomplete spectrum analyzer 2300 unit and they are within the acceptable listening range for a demonstration rev. -1 as required by NoOne Labs. dated never. Thanks for listening!!
One word on this demo: BARF!
Guy doesnt even play any songs, just makes noise with that terrible pad gimmick. If it wasnt for that then it would be a nice guitar.
Take it easy people.....he finally finished the guitar, so he wanted to celebrate and unwind......So he invited his friend over, took a little lsd, and tripped out on the kaoss pad for a bit. Give the guy a break!
Amazing collection of tutorials/lessons... I am totally in awe of what you achieved and inspired. Keep on doing what you do
Finally finished watching the whole series and it was amazing. Thanks for showing all the hard work that was put into it.
I'm not sure I'm sold on the Electronics effect window thing but still a sexy lil' guitar.
i dont get the hate, that things is awesome. Its obviously not a traditional tele.
Reminds me of Muse, I think the bass player had a simlar thing on his bass.