The Jenna Ortega thing is so ridiculous because the example she gave of Wednesday being out of character WAS out of character!! I feel like she just helped them avoid the extreme fanfic- ification or riverdale treatment of Wednesday and they should honestly be thanking her🤦🏻♀️
Weirdly people who hate rachel zegler will use jenna as the "good" example of a young actress - they even spread rumors Jenna was replacing her in snow white. But if Jenna even stepped out of line slightly you know theyd turn on her
@Valentine-pm3kb Yes. I know Wednesday was a huge hit. People can like whatever they want, of course. It's just NOT the Addams Family. Not only the plot, but all of them look like they're dressing like the family for Halloween. Everything is just so...off. I'm also annoyed by Tim Burton saying that the casting for Gomez was like this because he wanted to be true to the original comics. I'm like... my guy, if you wanted to be true to the comics you would have cast a strange looking actress for Morticia too. But no, Morticia is played by a beautiful woman and Gomez is an absolute troll. As always, a beautiful woman cast with an ugly man. Male directors do it deliberately.
Jenna Ortega was RIGHT. That show felt like it was written by people who only skimmed the Addams Family shows and movies and maybe read the wiki page, then decided to repackage it as an addition to the cookie cutter teen paranormal drama format. I miss shows being genuinely weird from time to time...
I honestly felt like it didn't even feel like a Tim Burton project. If anyone can do weird it's him so it's specially trash for him to to make something so half-assed.
It felt like a rushed script written the night before its due date. Not sure why people were mad, when they obviously didn't put that much effort into it.
The media was unnecessarily harsh on Millie Bobby Brown. She was a kid when she started and interviews were new to her. She wasn’t even being rude in the interviews. She was bursting with excitement and was being herself. She didn’t deserve the backlash or the online harassment for being an excited kid.
I can't be the only one who finds the Millie Bobby Brown homophobia jokes to be extremely weird, especially considering that those jokes started when she was like 14-15.
I agree that she's just a kid. However, how old were her co-stars? Did they behave that way? Okay okay so they were young GUYS! How about when Sadie joined the group, what was her behavior like and how old was she? Just wondering.
I find it ironic that women being written lately as quirky, independent, and assertive are celebrated and in some cases groundbreaking, but women who conduct themselves that way in real life are condemned
I think heigel’s downfall was so cruel. It was just her opinion, and it was a good perspective, one that a lot of us would agree with nowadays. And the producers/directors bullied her out of her success because they couldn’t take the constructive criticism for creating the film outside of a woman’s perspective
In reality I agreed with what she said about "Knocked-Up". However, her comment about Grey's Anatomy was inappropriate and extremely insulting and disrespectful.
@@lysirishfleur3030 She wasn't wrong about Knocked-Up but it was the wording. She called the movie sexist, in short calling its director (who was very powerful back then) sexist. If she had just kept her comments to wishing her character wasn't such a killjoy and more fun-loving like the guys, Heigl would've been okay. Hollywood is about relationships and egos, and she made the mistake of offending the people who made her big on films AND TV.
So when Matthew Perry was against chandler cheating on Monica, it's seen as sweet. but when Katherine Heigl is against her character cheating in general she's seen as criticising the show?
Was Mathew Perry open about objecting to that storyline when it was on the air or did his objection only come out after the fact? Because that is a key difference I think.
I don't think there should be a difference, actors make media that can be interpreted as an extension of their views (not saying it is right and I don't mean movies about murderers etc). If we take away the freedom to speak out about the making of said media and being able to disagree with parts of it. That would be censorship
@@anotherhuman3221 anyone can say anything they like but they should be prepared to accept the consequences when the people they are criticising are upset and their colleagues don’t want to work with them. Hollywood is a small business with fragile egos. Actors should speak up but when it’s about creative choices the time to speak up is either when they are filming or years after the film or show has been released - not during the press tour! It’s unprofessional if you are a man or woman.
@@DSQueenieisn’t it also “unprofessional” to say all interviews are just the same 8 questions? I mean, she is right that cheating is over used and disgusting. Just used for shock value and entertainment even if it goes against a character. For example, if the writers suddenly had Ned Stark cheating the day before he was executed, would it be wrong for Sean to say, yeah that was a dumb choice…?! Because actors are the embodiment of the character and characters should follow logical progression (unless the writers just want drama for the sake of drama and don’t care about plot). I mean… have you *seen* Grey’s Anatomy? It’s a train wreck.
Speaking of Robert Pattionson and Twilight, it was not lost on me at all that while the public at large found Robert Pattionson's opinions on Twilight charming, Kristen Stewart was given the the "ungrateful" title with her talent called into question. If ever we need to ask if men and women are treated the same...
I don’t recall Kristen speaking against her character, but if she ever did, GOOD. Bella and Edward are terrible characters written by a perverted middle-aged woman who gets off on dreams about teenagers and who sees nothing wrong with magically sexually pairing babies with teens who will then be tasked with grooming them until they’re pseudo-legally fuckable.
@K.C-2049 Yeah it seems like it was easier for Robert Pattinson to get new roles after Twilight (at least ones I've heard about and enjoyed like The Lighthouse, last year's Batman and even the English dub for Hayao Miyazaki's new film) than Kristen Stewart. I haven't really heard much from her lately except for the Princess Diana movie she did a few years ago and I also really liked.
Just want to say Katherine Heigl handled all of this amazingly and is right about everything she said. Not surprising that she didn’t get the appropriate support but she really deserved it. Honestly any female actor that doesn’t just smile and say everything’s fine is always criticized even though the majority of the time, they care even more than their male coworkers
No. She wasn't right about everything and she deserved the pushback. Had she said, I was playing such a bitch. It made it unfun for me at times. It would have gone down alot differently. But what she said was that women as a whole were portrayed negatively in the movie and made it about writing and directing choices that unfairly attacked her coworkers as being sexist just because she didn't really like the character she was hired to play. As an actor, unless you're a huge one like will smith or tom cruise or Julia Roberts in their haydays, you don't really get to tell the writers how to write. It makes you a bitch, and ungrateful. She got exactly what she deserved for getting too big for her britches too soon in her career. Just like Rachel Ziegler, Brie Larsen, and Shia LaBeouf.
She may have had a point but there's a way to say those things or say them behind closed doors. Think she got all the backlash to get her to shut up and be humble.
Robert Pattinson has taken shots at his character as Edward Cullens in Twilight in pretty much every interview he's done for that movie and even insulted the book and author, but instead of being labeled as ungrateful and difficult just like these female actresses, he was praised and labeled as funny for his bluntness and honesty. The double standard is very real. If he can openly criticize his character and the writing without backlash, even if the movie made him lots of money, then why can't they?
Pretty sure the series he's hating on being "Twilight" helps a lot in that regard. It's popular to hate on Twilight after all. Something like Snow White, on the other hand, features a character that may not be the most beloved Disney princess ever, but did make many people's childhoods just the slightest bit happier. Snow white is entrenched in our childhoods and pleasant memories. People are always more defensive over sentimental things. All that being said, double standards are definitely at play too. But they're not the only reasons.
@@AS-jw5sk I suppose, but the Twilight saga did jump-start his career, and it was extremely popular when it came out. Nobody knew who he was until Twilight, so I'd expect replies like "shouldn't you be grateful?", but that never happened. Being an attractive white male has its advantages. Also, I think it's easier to hate on something when you're just a regular person. I've seen people say what Rachel Zegler said about Snow White with many others agreeing, but no backlash was given, but when the feedback comes from a movie star, the actor or actress in question is a much easier target, but actors get a lot more grace.
@@AS-jw5skget a grip! Snow White was definitely not one of the most beloved princess! Nobody ever talked about her until now!! You guys are mad because of the casting choices of the last two movies, be honest 🙄
@@calyyygrazie8 Listen... I couldn't care less about who plays Snow White. So I'm definitely not mad. I don't even watch Disney live action remakes. Nor did i like Twilight. This is simply something I'm stating because I have observed it. Nothing is ever simply because of just one reason. There are usually many factors involved. It's good for you that you seem to feel so strongly about this issue, but my mind is not occupied by it. I'm commenting because I came across this video and this comment and wanted to add my observations. I never said Snow White was one of the most beloved princesses( in my original comment, i stated, word for word, that Snow White "may not be one of the most beloved", reread what i wrote) I said that she forms a part of many people's childhood. Which she undeniably does. Whether loved or not, people get defensive over childhood memories. I'm not very sure fighting on the internet is going to result in any real change for any of these real world issues. Either way, today is Christmas day for us in this part of the world, so Merry Christmas and God bless you. Have a blessed day and new year ahead.
@@frostbite2119 I agree, actually. There are definitely double standards and sexism involved. I merely wanted to point out that in this particular case of Rob Pattinson, there are more factors involved.
I’m not an American but this video has made me so irritated Actors are getting away with rape pedophilia and all kind of sexual crimes but the actresses are getting purposefully crashed only cause some group of people did not like thier choice of words
@@lareina5790 how long it took to Sheen to be fired? Kevin Spacey is trying to came back, and getting space for it. How long it took to Harvey Weinstein and Bill Bosby to be punished for their crimes? Years, Decades of crimes and destroying woman lives.
But there are more than them. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are fine despite abusing teenagers. They are the ones I always remember but there are more actor, writer and directors than actually DID things and not just said their impopular opinions, and are fine still working in Hollywood.
People sometimes have a hard time understanding how rampant sexism and misogyny were back in the 2000s and early 2010s in the public media. It‘s still very bad, but it‘s hardly a match to what we were confronted with back then.
When they started saying that she should be a porn star, omfg that was such an atrocious statement. You just know they have disgusting conversations about her. And yet, Megan was the one dubbed "unprofessional?" That's workplace harassment.
@@cherrycake44and the people who wrote it genuinely thought it was a “sick burn” Like, bro. It shows she was right about the awful work environment lmao
Even Jenna thought that the love triangle between Wednesday, Xavier and Tyler was completely unnecessary, and that Wednesday should simply continue being her awesome, single self. It disgusts me that she's being bullied by a 60 year old man for simply doing her job.
seeing her cry in her actors on actors video was so sad, really reminds you how young she and other actors/actresses her age are when dealing with being a public figure.
I agree with her, and I think she was right to speak up and fight for her vision of the character even if she didn’t win all battles. But in my opinion it was a bit unprofessional to throw the writers under the bus publicly in that way. There is a difference between bringing something up privately and doing so publicly. That said, it is nothing major and she is very young and not used to the big public attention, it is certainly hard to adjust to that.
Millie was only acting like herself in the interviews, and she didn't deserve to be ridiculed for acting the way a regular twelve year old girl normally behaves. It's so stressful to grow up in the public eye, and having complete strangers scrutinise your every single move.
I feel bad for Millie. Being a child is hard, but being a child where the whole world is watching is terrifying. Look at Britney Spears and other child stars from other eras(actors and/or singers).
Millie did interrupt the others A LOT though. But most of the time, what she had to say was a lot more interesting and funnier (no offense to the others)🙈I love her interviews more
Again; she was a child. You were no better at that age, I can guarantee that. And IF by some chance you were; most people aren't and weren't any better behaved. Most of her time in the spotlight has been as a child, of course a 12 year old isn't emotionally mature.
I remember being 12, and knowing I was talking A LOT, and feeling like I was physically unable to stop. Sometimes it's just nervous energy, or difficulty with impulse control, or even excitement about a topic. It's so normal! I don't know what people were expecting!
@@growingupwithdisney she was literal child so interrupting people "a lot"( I didn't see this) did not warrant the kind of vitriol adults threw at her.
I think what happened with Cara is that she was fortunate enough to be in a film with a co-stars who defended her. Male co-stars that is. Them defending her prevented the massive hate train the other actresses suffered.
@@sauronthedeceiver3363that's funny, because my father booms naturally too-- but the men he works with (as an ATTORNEY) are all for it. He cusses, makes shitty jokes, and booms all he wants. The men eat it up, the women tolerate it. And I see that dynamic everywhere I go- rarely do I see a reversal of it. Men thunder their way through all kinds of interactions regardless of the intimidation they generate and get by unscathed. Maybe your dad is just a considerate person.
As I grew into a woman I learnt to not give a single fuck about what men thi k about me. As I'm being me and if that's such a problem then they ain't meant to stay in my life. Oh boy I've had some expirences
At my old job I got in trouble all the time for being a “know it all” or being difficult because I had done the job longer than everyone else. When I gave notice and moved to a new job, the bosses couldn’t contain their glee. Now they are contacting me on a regular basis because they realized I actually DID know more than them…. It’s fascinating.
I feel awful for many of these actresses, especially Constance Wu. As Tessa stated, she was under no obligation to comply with the demands of the public, and she naturally wanted to move on after being on a sitcom for six years. I had no idea that the backlash led to her to attempt to take her own life. I'm glad that she seems to be doing better emotionally now.
also i do remember reading somewhere that the fifth season was supposed to be the last one so when the sixth season got confirmed she was upset as they already wrapped the story and there is nothing more to add though i don't know if this is real or not
I specially felt terrible for her after I found out that she was abused on that show. I too would want to move from something that led to so much pain in my life. And then to be bullied about being "ungrateful" by thousands of people must have been terrible.
I think what’s missing for me though is that us regular folk cannot act like that. If a contract in a project I didn’t like get extended at work, I would be fired for tweeting something like that. Sometimes women do have unprofessional meltdowns - but it’s justified because todays brand of feminism is “I support women’s rights, and women’s wrongs.” I do think women get more flack for complaining compared to men, but we can’t pretend like the way they complain is ok. Daniel Radcliffe never said any tone deaf, or threw digs at HP - he just went on to do silly cool projects without complaining that the world isn’t seeing his potential. Reality check for all these actresses: almost no one on earth gets to see their full potential under capitalism. We’re all stuck in certain jobs for health care, so you complaining about your artistic potential is tone death, and yes, it’s insulting to all the people employed on the shows you complain about. Don’t you think the writers or camera operators want to show to be renewed to feed their families for a couple more reliable years?
This has completely changed my opinion of Katherine Heigl. I just accepted what I read in the media when I was younger and never really thought about it critically. The fact people turned against her for what she said about Knocked Up (which I completely agree with) and for expecting equal treatment on a show where she is clearly a valued character is mad. I've always found Judd Apatow's work a bit slimy as well. I feel like he has some sort of weird vendetta against women and I don't really get why his films are so popular tbh. Knowing that I actively disliked 4 of the actresses in this video for the reasons mentioned is embarrassing...
But it takes bravery to admit that! Self reflection is hard. None of us want to admit we’ve been culpable or complicit with systemic misogyny or racism etc. but we have to sit in that uncomfortable space in order to learn and grow and be better. As a huge fan of Grey’s and Shonda Rhimes at the time, I felt similarly about Katherine Heigl then. I was wrong. It’s ok to admit that. Thank you for sharing your comment.
I think with Katherine is that there's also a time and place to say those things. As much as it sucks, we can't just say what we want without repercussions. She may have had valid points, but I would've never aired my feelings about them so publicly. People have lost their jobs for saying less (which while wrong, still happens).
I remember at the time thinking she wasn't wrong about the knocked up comments, watching the movie it felt like her character was portrayed as an unreasonable nag when she was asking for the bare minimum from her partner. I still think the Emmy retraction was a bit tacky given the award isn't just about her but she seemed well intentioned about it
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052privately. That’s the time and place. I can’t just do and say whatever I want, otherwise it could cost me my job. Its fine to be dissatisfied but when you’re publicly airing that, what do you really expect to happen?
My husband had me watch that movie when I was pregnant because he was convinced it was "sweet". I angry cried A LOT (ah hormones) and we had a real talk about how differently women are shown on screen in comedies specifically, and the negative impacts of that in the real world. It was a great conversation, and I will never watch that movie again lol
No one knows what this generation wants,I love that the video pointed it out especially when she said Disney is currently confused because back in the day, people were calling snow white and Cinderella terrible role models now they are great again?
Aunt Viv wanted everyone to ask for a bigger paycheck because they deserved it as they were one of THE biggest shows at the time and got paid nowhere near what FRIENDS did, which came after them.
I feel so bad for jenna ortega because she made such a good Wednesday but i couldnt watch the show specifically because of the reasoms she gave. She clearly had the best understanding of the character out of anyone working there. ....AND ANOTHER THING. The constant digs at Gomez and Morticia? Morticia pressuring Wednesday to fit in and fill her shoes? What family do they think theyre writing???
Katherine Heigl said everything any one of us would have said about her roles. It is awful that her candidness was shamed, she was never disrespectful to the projects themselves.
It’s a double standard for me, cause in the case of Robert Pattinson (that said even more “evil” things about twilight) everyone was like “oh so funny” but in her case they were so harsh
Seth Rogan is also really a hypocrite. When the things came out about that other actor James Franco, he went: Women should be respected and have a voice. But then he says he feels betrayed by Katherines comments (which are true, the movie was a mess) It just tells me, that she is most likely not that hard to work with on set (as they claim), for him to be surprised she would make those comments later.
Heigl 7:10 remarks about Knocked Up was exactly everything wrong with 2000s/2010s raunchy comedies. It's the reason why I kinda mostly hate female leads even if I enjoyed the movies because it's truly written to feed men's stereotypes by men. I don't know much about her drama then other than "difficult" part, but I find a lot things she said really shows how conscious and ahead of her time she is.
The female leads back then were either prudish frauds who fed the stereotype of desperately needing a man in the sheets or naive, quirky messes, who were supposedly in their late 20s acting like freaking emotionally unstable teenage girls. It was unbearable.
I agree. I also loved her work on Greys, and I really respect that she withdrew her name for the award. Especially considering Sandra Oh hadn't won ANYTHING for it yet, and she carried the show
One of my biggest takeaways from this is that in so many of these cases - especially MBB, Constance Wu, Megan Fox, Katherine Heigl, Jenna Ortega - a lot of these women are simply being candid and voicing their real thoughts and experiences with their projects. The outrage against them feeds into this idea that actresses basically just need to look pretty and say the line - and yet the one example in this of a young actress doing just that (Rachel Zegler) faced HUGE backlash. Actresses aren't taken seriously as creatives or as professionals with thoughts and opinions on the creative or business aspects of the job they're in. And women generally aren't allowed to express frustrations without being called 'spoilt', 'bratty' or 'nags'.
Im a nurse and when I was working at a hospital, i had similar experience. During meeting I was some criticism towards equipment,that its old and outdated etc. Few days later I heard gossip about myself how I was "complaining and shouting" during meeting. I wasnt shouting at all. And those werent complains those were geniuous concerns. But as soon as a male and a doctor said the same things, I heard about how kind he is and how he cares about patients because he wants modern equipment.
Whenever I think about Joaquin Phoenix's lazy interviews, Jared Leto's antics on set, or Daniel Day-Lewis method acting so hard he stayed wheelchair bound for months, and then this is stuff the female actors are criticized for? It's so frustrating.
TBH it's not really the same comparison. Very famous people will can get away with a lot more. A new actor is going to get a lot more scrutiny. If they're blowing up really fast, people will think they were given favors, and expect to act more grateful, whether or not that's actually correct. Joaquin Phoenix is a huge name, so it's more like "can a movie get him on board". Daniel-Day Lewis and Jared Leto's antics were also not as public as interviews, and everyone hates Jared Leto because he's a dick anyways. If anything to do with Zegler's hate is tied to her identity, I think it's more to do with race. Like she says in the video, some people got really pissed at her because they got a Latina actress for Snow White, so they tried their best to dig up dirt.
@user-jl9ex8qj4s well I think now people are overlooking it, and just didn't like how she seems completely ignorant about the story and makes it GIRL BOSSY. Quoting "the main focus of the STORY was love life(bullshit, the focus was Evil Queen trying to KILL her teenage stepdaughter), so we're change that", did she or everyone not think saying buzz words like that would gave a feministic tone, giving away Disney shitty agenda? Main theme is simple: The beauty isn't always out, it's also within. How they gloss over that messaging and wants to see who JUST, is beyond me 🤷🏾♀️
There are COUNTLESS of male actors, from different generations who could not make it any more obvious on interviews that they don't give a flying F about their roles and projects and they are perceived as cool, chill, an actor who does not take himself too seriously. It's beyond infuriating that actresses, especially newcomers and young ones, on the other hand literally have to show eternal, undying gratefulness and love for the roles they auditioned for and booked. It's such a joke.
@@mikejunior211 there was no backlash because he's a man. He constantly openly showed his dislike for the role while the movies were going on. I like him a lot, but I also like these actresses a lot too. Women constantly get the backhand slap for doing the exact same thing men do.
@mikejunior211 i like Rob P, literally my only Hollywood make crush since childhood. But that man was expressing his dislike throughout the whole franchise promotion and its peak. He actually later on, after he finished playing Edward, expressed gratitude or some appreciation towards Twilight, at least the 1st one, saying something like it's stupid to be hating on Twilight nowdays and that the it's a camp movie.
Man did this resonate. I am 1 of 2 women on a team that does tech work for a LARGE company. This year for my annual review, though meeting all my goals and going beyond, I was told I did not deserve a top placing (5 out of 5). I fought it and honestly I'm happy I did. It didn't change the outcome, but it has sparked my higher ups to see I'm not going to do above and beyond if the recognition does not match that.
This reminds me of my sister, who was recently told at work that she's earning pretty good money with them. They pay her the absolute legal minimum for that position...
Did you call your boss Hitler or go on social media and trash your company's name and say their product/service is garbage? Perhaps you'd like to do that here. I'm sure the business will appreciate it.
@christopherhenderson482 mind you, the reason that Megan called him that was bc he was s3xualizing her in numerous scenes when she was only a teen & was body shamed on the set of the Transformers sequel 💀
I hate to bring up "The Man" by Taylor Swift, because it's one of my least favorite song from the Lover album, but that song perfectly sums up this whole discourse. Rachel Zegler said she did Shazam because she "needed a Job" and everyone went after her for being ungrateful, but then when Jacob Elordi said the excact same thing for one of his projects, everyone went "Oh, he's so real" or "Such a relatable king"
Play the opressed victim card always work. That is what her PR make her do now. It was all a misunderstood. She is smug and a brat. But she 20,she will learn from this😂😂😂. She is so privilge and so spoiled. That she acts like everyone owns her something.
At the time she was cast in Shazam, she’d filmed West Side Story (I think) but it hadn’t come out yet. Before Spielberg plucked her from absolute obscurity to play María in West Side Story, she was just a theatre kid starring in her high school’s production of Shrek and uploading covers to UA-cam. When she was cast in Shazam, the only thing the casting people had to go off was her audition and the Spielberg seal of approval
People don't realize that when your starting out as an actor a lot of your first few roles are gonna be scraps and easy pickings it takes a LONG time for some to climb up the ladder. Some of the best and most famous actors in the industry right now didn't even have some of their first Big roles until well into their 30s/40s. So Rachel taking whatever she can get really isn't something to call ungrateful it's just surviving in a cut throat business.
Because she was in a project marketed towards boys while he was in one marketed towards girls. The media has no problem with anyone crapping on movies for women but if it is one for men they defend it Even if they don't like it (the movie bombed so I Guess none of the Shazam defenders went to see it)
I mean DeKnight worked for years alongside Joss Whedon, who was known for behind the scenes misogyny, cheating on his wife with actors under him who were also massively younger than him, and being aggressive and sometimes violent with his actors. But DeKnight is more worried that a girl might have opinions on his script. Never really said much about Joss that I can find. Like... that makes it super obvious to me
Katherine Heigl took herself out of the run because she thought her role was mediocre and it didn't deserve a trophy? And she preferred another woman to win? How dare she?!?!?!
It was definitely arrogant and insulting. First it implies shes not only going to get the noomination but shes likely to win despite the script being mediocre. Its insulting to her show and the writers, who want the nomination for publicity. Its insulting to all the 'lesser' actresses who now have a chance to win now shes given it over as charity. Its definitely insulting to the academy and its voters. Rule number 1 of Hollywood. Thou shalt not hurt the productions reputation and profits unless thou art related to a senior executive, have blackmail material on a senior executive or are the sole named star for thy role is replaceable.
The problem was she insulted the script, not her acting, is she had said my acting did not deserve the nomination that might have been taken differently. But she said the material, which was definitely an insult to the writers and the show runner.
What I really dislike is that this love/hate binary makes it impossible to actually give nuanced criticism without it being put into the same bin as hateful comments. Everything is blown out of proportion in Hollywood. Where is the room for dialogue in media culture like that?
Honestly, there is none. If you have nuanced criticism but you don't want to join in on the pile on, you have to bite your tongue. Because they receive so much disproportionate hate, these actresses become immune from critique in other circles.
@@TheSongwritingCat I understand your Point, but there always hast to be room for factual criticism, there really are no exceptions to this, if you value critical thinking at all. But of course, there is a time and place for such talk, timing and context matter just as much as phrasing and Tone of voice. But there always has to be room for criticism if those factors are accounted for. No single human is or should be beyond reproach.
Men have plenty of room for this. Listen to Henry Cavill talk about Tge Witcher. He loves the source material, and he was really passionate about the project. However, he had to do exactly what Jenna Ortega did and save the writers from really horrible decisions that made no sense for his character. Everybody praises him as a passionate and honest actor who saved the show. But Jenna is an unprofessional harpy who's too big for her britches.
I wrote a comment on another video (I forget which and made by who) but every so often there is the internet’s/society’s villain actress. Yet actors like Hugh Grant or Cillian Murphy are praised as ‘down to earth’ and celebrated for not being happy during interviews and outwardly disliking press. I don’t always like assuming that if genders were reversed things would be different but if Hugh or Cillian were women they would be seen as lazy, ungrateful, on their period etc.
I have to say though, Cillian just has RBF, like people have asked him about it and he said he gets tired and his face rests, he's not really disappointed. Like every interview that's longer than five minutes he's engaging and talking in depth about his character and the work. He never talks down about his work is the thing Also I've only ever seen Kirsten called down to earth and real for how she comes across, so idk if we've been in different parts of the Internet but I don't think tis applicable
People really hate it when women. There, I haphazardly fixed your sentence for you. I'm just teasing 😂 But definitely not joking haha. It's crazy because I always stayed out of these kinds of discussions (I'm 27 now) but not only only but in my real everyday life... It's become such a serious & often times DANGEROUS problem... Whether that happens to be physically, financially, emotionally.... Spiritually.... Just a disturbingly increase problem. I don't understand why the patriarchy is so deep seeded that most XY's have regressed to the ability of caring for themselves at the same level as a 2-4 year old. I've WITNESSED this multiple times personally once a woman walks away/leaves the home. Simultaneously these same XY's see us as not even at human level.... It's to twisted 🤦♀️ Of course women collectively have our issues as well, I definitely don't agree with those.. weird feminists. I did some research on feminists & imagine my surprise when I realize that many have completely perverted what feminism started out as. It originally is a respectable, noble even, belief system. I GUESS I can try & see why some have taken it to the extreme & added beliefs that should not belong... From the trauma & feeling/being repressed.... I still don't think it's right. I personally can not hold my head high & have restful sleep at night knowing my intentions are backed with ignorance, malice & HATRED causing me to now be in a TOXIC toxic toxic competition with my fellow human being.... For what? Power? Status? Bragging rights 😂❔ Like come ON what the hell are we all trying to accomplish here 💀 all I'm seeing is just chaos & madness 👀🤦♀️😂
Preach, it's such a double standard that nobody seems to care if a male celebrity expresses his opinion, even if it's controversial, but if a woman does it, she's immediately demonised.
People think it's so funny that Robert Pattinson doesn't like Twilight or Daniel Craig isn't interested in James Bond. There's very little "ungrateful" discourse around their takes.
The fact that you even said that about the Bond fan base shows that you never engaged with any of them. Every single fan of James Bond points out how Daniel Craig shits over their favorite IP, and almost every fan of the original vision of Bond dislikes Craig in general, simply because he doesn't play well. You very clearly cherry pick the few comments that back up your political view and willfully ignore the rest. Dishonest and useless.
Just want to give credit when credit is due. No one took Robert Pattinson seriously as an actor after twilight… he had to prove himself with various indie films and even when he got the Batman role, no one believed he’d make a good Batman until they saw the movie or trailer.
And to add to what I said, his female costar was getting way more movie lead roles after twilight. But she kinda blew up with that affair scandal but can back around when she said came out as gay.
However anyone feels about these women’s acting skills or personalities, the career sabotage is undeniable. Heigl’s situation in particular still baffles me. She praised Knocked Up so much before making her “ungrateful” comment, a comment she’d made about many female characters earlier in her career. It was so off-hand that, when Heigl saw Rogen at events, she treated him exactly the same. And it was more in defense of Mann’s character than her own, so for Mann to feign ignorance to protect her husband’s fragile ego is pure cowardice. Heigl’s only crime against Shonda Rhimes was sharing an opinion about Grey’s Anatomy almost every fan of the show was already openly in agreement about at the time, so it never made sense to view as controversial or ungrateful - or was the whole fan-base ungrateful? And even when other directors were defending her against “diva behaviour” rumours, their praise was left out in favour of the “loud feminist” narrative they’d assigned her, simply for championing women’s and workers rights. Then she had to apologize? Seems unfair for all the women mentioned here and elsewhere
I watched Knocked Up with my brother and some other guys. And that scene where Rogen’s character is literally treating her children like dogs and Mann’s character says “is he playing fetch with my child?” I was like, yeah. He sucks. But the guys all rolled their eyes at her and called her a nagging bitch. Wtf?
@tabathaalshalhoub1653 Sadly, guys with power, like Rogen, can say "But it's just a joke" to erase any responsibility of how they choose to represent themselves and others - but if women say "Hmm, that was a bit much" they're ungrateful and humourless aka can't take a joke and deserve to have their careers ruined. Imagine if Mann had been the one to say something - she might not have a husband anymore
She also retracted her name after she had won an award over Chandra Wilson and Sandra Oh. Sandra in particular played Christina outstandingly well and frankly better than Heigl played Izzy. It wouldn't surprise me if Heigl withdrew her name out of respect for her castmates, who realistically we passed over because they weren't white/as conventionally attractive as her.
The number one red flag for me is when individuals or the media start accusing a woman of "fooling" or manipulating the public. It's a nefarious attempt to undermine her credibility across the board, and paints her and other women as calculating and manipulative; who lie just for the hell of it (apparently).
Holy crap, this has changed my opinion of Will Smith so much. Even if they did have bad blood, that did not justify _publicly_ tarnishing her reputation. He did that in the *90's* knowing damn well how hard it was (and still is) for black actresses. Glad he's got his karma cuz this man has obvious issues he's continued to take out on other people. As for Millie, she was a literal child. The way adults felt comfortable bullying this girl for....acting like a child. It's disgusting. The more time passes, the more I realize that people love babies but really do hate children.
He did apologize to her. Doesn't change what happened, but he did sit down with her during the reunion and actually expressed remorse for how he treated her.
Yes and no. I don't think he should of gone out there and bad mouthed her to the public, I also don't think she should of taken it out on the cast just because she was hormonal and in a DV relationship. Many pregnant women go to work daily, deal with violent partners, multiple stresses in life and don't take it out on co workers.
This whole video I thought of America Ferrara’s Barbie monologue and how it talks often about being “grateful.” It probably rang true even more so for all those women on set who had been in Hollywood for so long and knew that’s how it works
Yes! Expected to be grateful for the opportunity to be what everyone wants from you and question every thought in your head and word out of your mouth but still grateful for the ability to say anything at all and then get crucified for it no matter what you say
It's weird too, because at the same time Mattel, well, have sweatshops were they underpay their predominantly female workers, and promote products harmful to the environment etc. yet have this movie. I'm not sure what to think, life is a conundrum.
the fact that someone like Mark Wahlberg still has a job, but someone like Rachel, Millie and other young women were hunted down, is just so sad, when will women be finally free
@@anhu154 I went down that rabbit hole ... From Wikipedia: "Wahlberg was booked to fly on American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11, 2001, but his plans changed the day before and he cancelled his reservation. He received backlash for stating in a 2012 interview, "If I was on that plane with my kids, it wouldn't have went down like it did". He added that "there would have been a lot of blood in that first-class cabin and then me saying, 'OK, we're going to land somewhere safely, don't worry.'" He issued an apology after family members of those killed on the flight expressed outrage" and "Walhberg has a history of racially motivated attacks starting from when he was a teenager.[12] In June 1986, a 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends chased after three black children while yelling "Kill the n*****, kill the n*****" and throwing rocks at them.[13] The next day, Wahlberg and the others followed a group of mostly black fourth-graders (including one of the victims from the previous day) taking a field trip on a beach, yelled racial epithets, threw rocks at them, and "summoned other white males who joined" in the harassment.[13][14] In August 1986, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for violating the civil rights of his victims, and Wahlberg and his friends were issued a civil rights injunction which served as a warning that they would be jailed if they committed another hate crime.[15][16][17][18] Wahlberg perpetrated another racist assault in April 1988. Then 16, he assaulted a middle-aged Vietnamese-American man on the street, calling him a "Vietnam fucking shit" and knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick. Later the same day, Wahlberg attacked Johnny Trinh, another Vietnamese-American, punching him in the eye. When Wahlberg was arrested and returned to the scene of the first assault, he told police officers: "I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open."[19] Later, Wahlberg would explain that he was on PCP at the time.[20] Investigators also noted that Wahlberg "made numerous unsolicited racial statements about 'gooks' and 'slant-eyed gooks'".[21][22] He was initially arrested for attempted murder.[23] Wahlberg was charged with two counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, one count of marijuana possession, and criminal contempt for violating the prior civil rights injunction he received in 1986.[15] He pleaded guilty to felony assault and was sentenced to three months in jail, but served only 45 days of his sentence.[15][21][23] Wahlberg believed he had left the second victim permanently blind in one eye, though Trinh later said that he had lost his eye during the Vietnam War while serving in the South Vietnamese army, which fought alongside American forces.[24][18][21][22] In August 1992, Wahlberg fractured the jaw of his neighbor Robert Crehan in an attack.[25] Court documents state that in 1992, Wahlberg, "without provocation or cause, viciously and repeatedly kicked" Crehan in the face, while another man, Derek McCall, held the victim on the ground. Wahlberg's attorney claimed that Wahlberg and McCall, who is black, were provoked after McCall was called a racial slur by Crehan.[26] The lawsuit was settled between the two parties, avoiding a criminal trial." Some extra infos from different sources: "A year later, the artist known as Marky Mark found himself involved in an admitted brawl, this time with members of Madonna's inner circle. The fight took place at a Los Angeles party, and "The Fighter" actor wound up breaking the nose of an unnamed Maverick Records exec, as Wahlberg recounted to ShortList decades later. There have long been rumors that everything started with Wahlberg making a homophobic comment, though he denied this gay-bashing allegation in a subsequent interview with The Advocate. Wahlberg further claimed that the "Vogue" hitmaker called the police, making efforts to have him blacklisted in Hollywood. But eventually, the whole thing seemed to have just blown over, as he was soon cast in "Renaissance Man." "While it's unclear whether Mark Wahlberg was actually guilty of making homophobic comments back in 1994, it wasn't the only time the actor was accused of being less than supportive of the LGBTQ+ community. For example, Us Weekly once reported that he was one of several A-list actors to turn down one of the lead roles in "Brokeback Mountain" - the acclaimed 2005 film's central love story was ultimately portrayed, of course, by Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger. "I met with [director] Ang Lee. ... I read 15 pages of the script and got a little creeped out. It was very graphic, descriptive," Wahlberg explained in an interview back in 2007. "... It's just not my deal." But that's not to say he'll turn down every role he's offered in an LGBTQ+ project. Wahlberg played the conservative father of a bullied gay teen son in 2020's "Good Joe Bell," much to the chagrin of several members of the community, allies, and critics alike. As the Daily Beast pointed out of Wahlberg's controversial history, "There are still those critics ... who find it obtuse to cast an actor with that past in a movie that memorializes a gay teen's suicide with a message of inclusivity and acceptance." Meanwhile, the New York Post found Wahlberg's casting in what the writer dubbed "Oscar bait" particularly distasteful, hypocritical, and seemingly opportunistic, rhetorically arguing, "Why does the celebrity industrial complex have such a blind spot when it comes to Mark Wahlberg?" "Unfortunately, the optics surrounding "Good Joe Bell" wouldn't be the first time Mark Wahlberg was accused of taking advantage of a showbiz situation to further his career. A few years prior to this, he was working on "All the Money in the World," a biographical crime drama about the kidnapping of John Paul Getty III. After principal photography was completed, sexual assault allegations against Kevin Spacey (who initially had a starring role in the film) began to circulate, and it was decided that the bulk of the 2017 movie should be re-shot with Christopher Plummer assuming Spacey's old role. Initially, it was reported that the project's other big stars - Wahlberg and Michelle Williams - had agreed to do the eight-day reshoots for free, as they were seemingly eager to distance themselves and the project from Spacey. But then, USA Today revealed that Wahlberg had quietly accepted a $1.5 million check. In comparison, Williams pocketed under $1,000 for her additional work. Understandably, fans were outraged. Wahlberg, some felt, had allegedly taken advantage of the situation to line his own pockets, without telling Williams or moviegoers the full truth". "Mark Wahlberg - who's known to have a rather intense diet and exercise routine - has sometimes been accused of helping Hollywood promote unrealistic body standards. Now, to be fair - and as is the case with many actors - his physical composition changes frequently to fit the need of different roles: sometimes, he'll be on the leaner side, and other times, he'll add a ton of muscle to look bulkier. But in 2018, an imprisoned steroid dealer named Richard Rodriguez named Wahlberg among his alleged celebrity clients, claiming the actor had actually been achieving these drastic results via illegal steroids Rodriguez sold him. However, Wahlberg swiftly claimed this was all a load of hooey. "All natural, baby," he said of his physique to TMZ, before flexing his bicep for the camera. "That's hard work." Wahlberg also slammed the use of steroids, saying, "Why put yourself and your health at risk when you can work hard and be a good example?" The Drug Enforcement Agency opted not to investigate the allegation, but many folks have pointed out that Marky Mark's level of fitness isn't attainable for most, suggesting that the pressure actors face to look a certain way on the big screen has contributed to a culture of negative body perception among boys and men. While Wahlberg is open about the strict regimen he adheres to, Professor John Brewer told BBC News that it was "the high end of extreme," claiming it wouldn't be sustainable in the long-term or even necessary in terms of maintaining health and wellness". Source (I cut that, because yt don't like links): https: //www. nickiswift. com/1221294/ why-so-many-people-dislike-mark-wahlberg/
Janet Hubert really went through it! she was born to play Aunt Viv and they replaced her for a light skin woman who lacked the charisma Janet had as Aunt Viv
As I was watching Wednesday, the love triangle made absolutely no sense to me. In fact, one of the love interests seemed a little too obsesive and i felt akward that it was portrayed in such a normalized way. Imagine my surprise when i found out Jenna was being criticized for speaking out about this! I found myself wishing the series was more and more about Wednesday herself and not about... love?
I LOVE romance in my tv shows and I personally was not super interested in Wednesday, and even when I found out there was love interests I'm like uhhh.... why though
I love romance like the other person and usually I won’t watch a show if there’s no romance but I LOVE the Addams family so I was excited to watch Wednesday but I’m really upset with how it’s about romance and not about her. It could’ve been so cool, the Buffy of our generation but no :(
throwback to when people criticized rachel zegler for ...... costarring in a movie with ansel elgort that was filmed before allegations were made against him
that was the around time where I actually found out about rachel zegler, except it was after the allegations came out. God I remember there was a sudden flood of rachel-hate videos flooding my fyp on tiktok with people criticising her decision to work with elgort. I was like "Huh? how is that her fault" because like that was her first ever role too. it would be a whole different story if she was already a successful actress. I literally remember going onto a deep dive to find a concrete reason for her hate and literally found zero good reasons. Instead, it just made me into a fan of her omg I love her personality!!
and she was a minor during filming! for a movie she had to do intimate scenes with him in! it’s kind of insidious that people seriously wanted to persecute her for this, with zero thought or consideration to how that must feel like for her.
Gosh thank you for shied it light on Janet Hubert unfortunate situation I always loved will smith but damn what he did to her was just horrible and unfair I’m glad Janet pointed the specific colorism that was attached to her blackbailing bc as you said the 90s black sitcom era was full of light skin woman who were also majority of mixed race.
Rachel Zegler & Millie Bobby Brown’s hate campaigns have been the most vicious. You can’t go anywhere without seeing random people and even kids screaming about hating them because they blinked a certain way.
Like this is the only safe place where she doesn’t have hate comments like any video with Rachel they’ll spam hate comments like that hate Train is getting old we get it they wanted to be part of a trend but it’s getting way to fsr
the world will always be more scrutinizing towards women. that will never change, i personally don't like brown leh zegler that much but i don't really care. im starting to think that most haters are women themselves that's why the guys can get away with it.
Please. Ppl don't hate them because they "blinked" wrong; they behaved horribly and are entitled but not good enough of actresses to even pretend they aren't. Ppl are sick of self proclaimed victims. They earned their reputations.
I'm getting to a point in life that whenever I read about an actress being "difficult", I root FIERCELY for their success because 98% of the time the reasons why they're being deemed "difficult" are bullshit to begin with. Reading an interview with Sean Young and finding out why people deemed her "difficult" to work with in Blade Runner just opened my eyes so much I just can't take this label seriously anymore. They're not difficult, they're simply not ass kissers 100% of the time.
I am a fan of Brie Larson and you can guess what stuff I had to deal with, deliberately or not. You cannot ignore it all. When I told a friend of mine that I became a fan of Brie Larson, he repeated to me the rumour that Brie Larson was difficult to work with. This hasn't been confirmed and what does it even mean to be "difficult"? It can range from not agreeing with any decision to boycotting someone. I don't know Rachel Ziegler but I watched some video about her and I found her lovely although the video tried to paint her in a bad corner. It's always easier to believe that any celebrity is misbehaving than trying to see the big picture. From the horrible treatment of Brie Larson I have learned to not prejudge a celeb I don't know much if anything about.
I cannot believe a few months after people were hating on Racher Zelger for one bad PR interview, people were going "YAS KING" at Hugh Grant openly hating playing his role in wonka and saying he did it for a paycheck.
I lose respect for actors who claim this. My respect for Jamie Dornan has been gone since he took the role of Christian Gray claiming he needed to support his kids…by taking the role of a romanticized abuser.
@@NoelleTakestheSkyWhy? Most of us average people clock in to jobs we hate solely for the money. Actors are doing a job for the money. Some actor will always take a bad role for the money. You are being unfair.
@K.C-2049 the vast majority of actors, even some of the more popular ones, are not making millions per role. The SAG strike happened because of unfair wages. Even Sydney Sweeney, one of the most popular new actresses out, said that she couldn’t afford to turn down a project and that she wasn’t earning as much money as people thought she was. There are doctors, lawyers, and other white collar workers who earn more money a year than most actors. Regardless, at the end of the day acting is still a job and if someone can do their job well, I don’t see anything wrong in them complaining about it or asking for higher pay.
I wasn't mad. Just shocked. Unpopular opinion she probably was really difficult because she was pregnant. Think the show did her a disservice by not being more understanding.
Janet Hubert was amazing. Daphne would have been fine if she’d been cast first, but unfortunately for her, Janet was cast first and laid the foundation for this kick-ass character, and that just wasn’t Daphne’s vibe.
The double standard is also crazy. Jacob Elordi said basically the same thing if not worse about the Kissing Booth films that Rachel Zegler said about Snow White, but got basically none of the same backlash. And unpopular opinion, but I think Rachel had a point. Of course a film made in 1937 is going to feature some outdated ideas about women and femininity and can and should be updated if we are making a modern adaptation today. And also, yes, acting is a job that should be paid a fair wage just like anything else. (side note: Rachel Zegler absolutely ate as Lucy Gray Baird)
@@kaveen5931 Yeah - I think a lot of the backlash came from people who love disney and for whom the idea of someone playing a disney princess and not being ride or die about her is shocking, while Kissing Booth doesn't have the same fandom or hype.
@@kaveen5931 Regardless, The Kissing Booth was the first big project Jacob Elordi worked on, and you don't see him getting lambasted on the internet for saying he doesn't like those movies and being "ungrateful" like Rachel was for her Snow White takes.
Agreed, the Double Standards are ridiculously insane. If a man implies that they didn't enjoy working on a certain project, then nobody bats an eyelid. But if a woman implies the same thing, then she's being ungrateful and demanding.
But everyone knows that the KB is stupid movie. He is taking on his own job at the end of the day. Reachel is taking on others people job. That was made a haundred years ego and also become an empire of animation and a world wilde brand. She really was so mean and smug with no reason. Thats shitting on other peoples legacy. When she only have a few roles in hollywood. And the only succes movie was the hunger games precuel. And wasnt even as good as the original movie.
I really sympathize with these actresses! I’m autistic and people VERY OFTEN misinterpret me as being disrespectful or aggressive because I’m very blunt and awkward (aka autistic!) and it’s one of the worst feelings when people so drastically misunderstand you! I can’t imagine how awful it would feel x10000
Well there’s a difference between being seen as being disrespectful or aggressive bc you don’t understand what you’re doing and being seen that way bc you understand but just don’t care…
@@swish3432 Your statement is correct but who gets to decide what someone else is feeling and thinking? Even when I insist I don’t understand people still perceive me as trying to start problem, because they just decide I was feeling and thinking a certain way, even when I wasn’t
For Millie Bobby Brown I think its pretty obvious that fans were upset about her being extremely different from Eleven, something that makes her acting even more impressive given how young she was when she started playing the character For Jenna, people forget that a lot of Tim Burton's more recent projects have had lazy writing and been style over substance. I get why the writers werent super happy about her questioning their ideas but given how big of a character any of the Adams is, a second opinion was sorely needed As for Rachel, people HATE (and they dont even hide) that all of her projects are MASSIVE projects. Musicals, Disney, DC, Hunger Games; they hate that she hit the ground running and then blame lazily directed movies (Shazam...) On her when she is just doing what the directors say. No one loves Snow White as a character even if the movie has historical value, no actress will be able to make Disney's lack of originality work enough. Also the reason no one hated Pattison for hating Twilight, is that it is to this day, fun to hate on Twilight. The fact its marketed towards teen girls is also a factor.
Another reason I've heard that Rachel is getting so much hate is because corporations are faceless, so people need a face to hate on. And Rachel the face to hate on.
I don't like Rachel Zegler because she uses her race as a catch all for the criticism she gets for her roles. She accepted the role of Snow White then turned around and insulted the original movie, her other actors and the morals that the original fairytale as well as the Disney movie teach to young girls. I get that acting is just a job and she's just one cog in the machine but I don't think that exempts her from criticism.
i agree, i dont see why people defend Snow White as if her story is flawless, mind-blowing, touching, important, deep, complex or thought-provoking. i genuinely dont see what's so amazing about Snow White to make people so defensive and even enraged! you can stay true to the story for the sake of historical accuracy, sure, but is the original story even worth it?? also, bad remakes of original stories is not a new concept in the business. people hate on shitty stories all the time, what does Rachel have to do with it? she just says what the story is going to be about, and she just happens to agree with the changes, maybe that's why agreed to the role despite hating the original story, i feel like that makes sense? she doesnt call the shots on the script, unlike Jenna Ortega, who is, by the way, HATED for staying true to the original character! i mean, there is literally no way to satisfy people. everyone is ungrateful apparently.
Snow White has been my favorite princess since I was a little girl, and I love Rachel as the new Snow White. Have you heard that girl sing? She is Snow White!
I feel bad for all these women, but especially Janet Hubert and Constance Wu, considering Constance is an Asian woman and people expect her to be all the East Asian girl stereotype:cute, shy and weak, so when she actually states her opinion, people(mostly racist people) have a problem with that. And Janet Hubert can’t express her feelings without people shutting her down because black women don’t have feelings, why should we believe her when she states she’s in pain/is struggling? Nope, they just want to label her as the difficult black lady and want her to suck it up😒
I never realized the big double standards of Rachel zegler until you pointed out Jacob elordi it’s honestly weird that he can say he only known Elvis through a Disney cartoon and got so much praises for it, bc I know of a actress said she only known a worldwide iconic female music artist through a cartoon she would ripped to shred like Rachel got so much undeserved hate for literally talking about a cartoon character chileee that’s bizarre
I loathe Rachel Zegler’s comments on Snow White being a sexist, controversial film, but I will give her this: it’s not entirely her fault that she interprets the 1937 film as she does. For more than a decade, the media and internet users have relished in deconstructing Disney films with cynical, shallow takes, and they have had a massive influence in the movie industry. Even Disney bought into the trend of mocking its past films with works like Enchanted, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and pretty much every original animated film and remake, by rewriting characters into girl-bosses and ridiculing old Disney tropes. Rachel’s Zegler’s take on Snow White comes from someone who grew up in a time when outlets like Buzzfeed thrived with dumb articles about how anti-feminist the Disney princesses were, yadah yadah. Even though I disagree with Rachel’s views on Snow White, it’s weird how the media hates her for saying things they agreed with not so long ago.
I think now that Barbie feminism is popular, those who still believe in 2014 buzzfeed feminism are seen as “behind the curve”. Which is ridiculous to treat feminist theories as fast fashion trends
She also went through a period where audiences hatred her because they found her too mean or boring. I remember when there were memes about her never smiling. There was an even a joke on Glee where a character says her parents think she seems like a total bitch.
This happened to Monique - she was outspoken about the income discrepancies between male and female actors and ended up getting blackballed in Hollywood for not wanting to do press because she was unhappy with the amount of money she was making
I also think about the hate Brie Larson got when she was cast as Captain Marvel. One reason might have been that it was the first female led Marvel Movie but she was also branded as being unlikeable when she was just having a different sense of humor and stood up for herself.
It all started with a speech she gave regarding the A Wrinkle In Time remake. She stated (with real statistics) that movies featuring &/or made by women &/or POC will less likely be reviewed by critics that are women &/or POC, & that the majority of critics in the industry are white men. In the nutshell, she wanted to "add more seats to the table." This, unfortunately, led to a hate campaign so massive you can’t even look at any media (movies, TV, video games, etc.) without anyone bitterly mentioning Brie Larson or Captain Marvel. Even now, people are praising films like Godzilla Minus One or Wonka just for doing better than The Marvels- despite that they have nothing in common with each other. It’s hard to even say one positive thing about her without somebody shaming you for it.
@@erikdaniels0n Exactly, which gives the Internet the excuse to relentlessly criticize it just like they still are with the first film. I wouldn’t be surprised if this actually lasts up to a decade.
@@erikdaniels0n I know and everyone was calling it a flop before it even came out. It was a self fulfilling prophecy. The only reason I didn't see it was because I only have so much theater money and I was more inclined to see Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, but I'm sure it can't possibly be that bad. Wish too. Early test screens were positive but right now people want to hate Disney so it's "the worst Disney Princess movie ever." I have a feeling it's probably just a normal kids movie. According to brother who saw it he liked it and thought it was fun.
it's been a while since I saw a woman get the amount of hate Rachel Zegler is getting. A week ago, I went to see The ballad of birds and snakes with my sister and she told me almost everyone labeled as the worst part of the movie, that she looked unlikeable, her acting wasn't "Lucy Gray enough" and she didn't had any chemistry with the male lead. it was a bunch of lies. she was the best part of that movie, her character was amazing every step and she has the voice of an angel. I told my sister that it has to be a hate campaign, 'cause there's no way she gets so criticized. It was good to form an opinion on her without all the tabloids tearing her down, she's amazing.
i also went to see the movie with my sister and we had some kids being super obnoxious in the back row. from what they were saying, the hate campaign has spread very far. i agree that she gave a perfectly lovely performance...but we seem to be in the minority here!
"She was the best part of that movie". That is your opinion. But somehow you disregard and invalidate other people"s opinions while thinking only your opinion counts.
This is SUCH an important conversation to have. I'd like to add Miley Cyrus to this list because of the backlash she got for expressing she has moved on from being Hannah Montana.
Honestly no one attacks Harrison Ford for dragging the Star wars franchise by telling him he should be grateful that it gave him a career but when it comes to Rachel Zegler, they love to act like she committed an arson and robbery. 😒 EDIT: as someone who has been in the stranger things fandom since middle school you aren’t wrong about Millie Bobby brown treated as the worst in the stranger things fandom because she deserved better. With the way she was the victim of horrible rumors of being homophobic, I thought that wasn’t funny and I’m saying this as a straight person who supports the LGBT community. The joke wasn’t funny back then, it isn’t funny now.
Harrison Ford has been great. Your example might have made more sense had you said William Shatner. That guy owes everything in his life to star trek and he obviously has disdain for it. Whereas Harrison Ford was successful in the business before star wars. And continued to be after it.
@@izzyc127 he's a total dick lol. And a great rebuttal to the idea that it's just actresses who are branded ungrateful. Alot of people dislike him for his ungrateful attitude. He's just a much bigger part of a pop culture phenomenon that kept him employed than say, Katherine Heigl was.
Imagine criticizing a 12 year old for acting like a child. Generally, I'm noticing that the public doesn't seem to think that female actresses are capable of, you know, acting (which includes knowing your character and how they might act) or when writing decisions don't make sense. Also, with Constance Wu: people complain about hating their jobs all the time. Constance Wu was doing the same, but for some reason, she isn't allowed to do that or not want to return to a place of danger (sexual harassment) to her.
It's really unfair to Constance that's she had to work in a unsafe work environment and got flack for wanting to be done with the show. 6 seasons is enough..
I do take issue with the new "Snow White" movie, but I honestly have most of the same issues with the other remakes Disney has done. All I want is another good Disney movie that has a heavy focus on romance (Pixar doesn't count). I feel like the recent Disney movies have been taking female characters and saying that they cant have any romance because they're women and HAVE TO be strong and independent and an amazing leader and never feel an ounce of romance. In my opinion, that's putting women in the same place the media is supposedly trying to avoid. I also wish that instead of making terrible remakes of their classic movies, they could take the same budget and actors and make good original films.
I think another actress is Anne Hathaway. She's beloved again right now, however, she had a moment where she was disliked for the 3 Un's that you mentioned.
It didn't help that she was being compared up the wazoo to the It Girl of the time Jennifer Lawrence. People saw the latter as a "cool girl" while Anne was absolutely not one (nor should she be she owes the public nothing except maybe common decency). IMO Jennifer Lawrence was not "down to earth" or "relatable" or "cool" or any of that she was just following an act that made most people (myself not included) like her. All it did was put the public against women who weren't effortlessly cool and detached.
It's actually insane how much hate Rachel has gotten. After her recent performance in Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, I do think public opinion has shifted a bit more in her favor, but the amount of times I've seen people unable to praise her for that without bringing up how much they dislike her is ridiculous. Videos and posts from that movie or interviews are constantly filled with comments to the effect of: "I REALLY don't like Rachel for what she said about Snow White, but I have to admit she was pretty good here", or "I hate her but she has a nice voice". It's ridiculous and I honestly hope her roles in the future continue to prove how truly talented she is
oh I am SO GLAD for The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes because before that movie, I swear it was literally so hard to find just interviews of her on UA-cam because the moment you search her name up, it is flooded with hate videos people made of her with the edited exaggerated thumbnails calling her cringe, toxic along with misleading video titles. you literally have to scroll pass like eight videos to actually find one video of her doing a promo interview (I literally have screenshots of this). thank God now they have reduced after the release of TBOSAS. I wish UA-cam will do something about these hate campaigns because time and time again there will be a hate campaign against a woman these drama channels will always pick it up and put some sort of exaggerated edited thumbnail about the woman and it will end up on people's suggested videos and just add fuel to the fire for the clicks.
Most of the people that hate hwr are grow ass men, she’s just enemy of the week, they don’t care, they will bully her and make stupid videos about her failing until they find a new woman to hate
I totally agree. She has a beautiful voice but what she was saying and her publicly bashing the character she was playing was in bad taste. I loved her on West Side Story and I'm not a great Hunger Games fan so I don't know if I'll watch it
Hm, I loved her in Songbirds and Snakes, but as a German I felt her interview about Schneewitchen was offending to a lot of us, because Snow White is deeply rooted in our culture and it felt like she has zero respect for it. I would never say that I hate her, but what she said definitly made her no friends here. I hope she doesn‘t trash it again in future interviews. If she hates this fairytale so much, why star in it? Btw I also thought it was very sad that they didn‘t include some German elements. I thought Disney strived to be more culturally diverse…
All actors and actresses put in so much effort to provide us with a good movie or TV show and they deserve all the recognition. But a lot of people like to throw shade and antagonize many of them for their own enjoyment.
If men do it, they are consider cool and so many people will came to defend them (Jacob Elordi is a recent example), if women do it, she will get attack and harass, saying she's being unprofessional.
Not exactly, there are guys getting harassed and attack in some cases too.. Hell you even have a lot of them getting memed on because of some of the stuff they say in interviews and on social media. My point is that it isn't seen as big D energy when a guy does it, you're getting looks left and right just as a girl would.
The fact that, even in a video essay discussing how certain actresses get branded with the 3 “uns” (unprofessional, ungrateful and unlikeable) for the most arbitrary, disgusting and malicious of reasons, has comments doing literally the same, is dishearteningly ironic.
I’m glad you brought up Robert Pattinson. He’s seemingly getting away with all the sins these women are accused of committing. Actually, he’s celebrated for it.
Simply a straight up lie. Pattinson is calling a shit a shit, people agree. When Daniel Craig shows little to no interest in James Bond (or literally says "I would rather smash my fist through a window than play Bond again", the fans got mad and called him out for it. Do you want a recent example of an actress that did the same as Pattinson, and the fans once again agree? Dakota Johnson openly states her distain and critisicm for her newest movie "Madam Web", and everyone loves her. Funny enough, the only entity that has a problem with her, is the very studio that made the movie. Maybe take your head out of your ass and actually look at what the general person says, instead of picking out those few nice ones that align with your social/political beliefs, you might learn something new for once.
@@casperryborg4869 I wish you give these energy to men who do worse but no. When will we start burning men like what they doing for women?? I wish witch hunt return and do it to men.
Heigl's critics to Knocked Up it's nothing compared to the analysis of female characters in media now days. Seriously, I don't understand men who say women are exaggerated and then do things like this.
the majority of those harassing Rachel Zegler for her comments about Snow White are misogynistic men who have never willingly watched a Disney princess movie a day in their lives. They just made it their personal vendetta to be mad at "woke" Disney, we saw the same thing with The Little Mermaid.
The number of grown adults over 25 coming out as die hard purist fans of a 1937 Disney Princess movie the moment a young Latina actress has said that some aspects of it are outdated, is… fascinating.
also Hollywood tends to oversaturate the market with certain actors and then everyone gets tired of them more quickly. Usually this annoyance is directed at women actors like Jenna Ortega, Jennifer Laurence, MBB, etc. The only man that suffers from this is Chris Pratt but it could also be bc his acting is mid at best.
Even with Chris Pratt though a lot of the backlash was towards his speculated political views. Towards the actresses it was just because people got bored of them or whatever.
@@spacebar9733 I like him as Starlord, however when I was talking about him with my mum, she said he gave her "zealot vibes". Which I didn't understand. I've heard a little bit about the drama between him and his ex-wife, but if anyone could tell me what could have been what my mom meant by "zealot vibes", I'd appreciate that.
Watching people suddenly pretend they give a flaying f-k about Snow White has been pretty entertaining. As if Rachel said anything wrong and deserves to lose her career if this ridiculous “drama”.
To be fair, I think a lot of this current drama about Snow White is not because of her interview, but also the mess behind the scenes with this „we cancel the dwarfes“ and now „we animate the dwarfes so the movie will be delayed by a full year“. It‘s safe to say she is not the culprit and doesn‘t derserve this even if this interview was a bit odd 😅
Exactly, since when did people get defensive over Snow White?? The fullblown overeaction shows just how much internet trolls need to get a life and do something that actually nourishes them instead. But the first priority is to leave her alone, she doesn't deserve the bs
Statements impugning the contributions of another actor in the movie, admitting to signing on for a role of a character she actively hates (“but what about Robert Pattinson”…well, unlike Rachel, who had decades of stuff to go on, Pattinson signed on to Twilight when there was comparatively little to go on and his big anti-stance came after Meyer started creeping on him), showing her incredibly lack of understanding the story like claiming the prince is a stalker and that Snow White, whose motivation is to one day find love, is outdated (wanting love is a universal human experience and will NEV ER be outdated), expecting to be paid for every moment that pictures of her in “an iconic princess dress” exist online since she thinks she’s entitled, bitching about not getting invited to the Oscars during a covid year when many A-listers involved in nominated movies weren’t even invited until they finally invited her to present, which forced production to halt for a week, to get her to shut up about it, etc…just to start…is all undeserved?
I just find it insane how the internet spent an entire decade roasting and making fun of the Snow White movie for being unprogressive and problematic, but now that Rachel points it out, suddenly everyone loves the original movie's story and is offended on its behalf? Also, if they're upset that Disney changed the story, why are they trying to cancel Rachel for it? She didn't write the movie. She just said that this is how the new movie will go.
Imo I did not like the fact she was so sexist towards her costar playing the prince calling him a stalker . When in the story the seven men are the ones who take him to find her . Ask him to kiss her in order to save her. Yea it's weird however if they would have made a movie about snow white and then just wrote her part out of the movie something tells me she would be the first to call them out for sexism .
People tend to forget that actors are also humans, and they are not their characters. They are allowed to have opinions of their own even if we don't like those opinions. It's their right. Interestingly enough, male actors are never called "ungrateful" or "difficult" whatever they do. I wonder why... Probably because men are allowed much much more to do and say than women, who are expected to be silent, submissive and eternally grateful for everything.
A person shouldn't be cancelled for speaking poorly of their experiences onset, if it was in a joking manner. People should be judged on their performance.
Well done! You put a lot of work into this video to tell an important story. Bias and hate always go hand in hand, because when people learn to like and accept themselves, they learn tollerance and acceptance of everyone else.
Like alot of these women, Rachel is just more straightforward and has dry humor and that is completely fine. I don't necessarily think her comment on snow white is entirely true especially since snow white has a quiet resiliency about her but she is correct that it is outdated and she just seems excited to bring more to the character for a new generation! Also she does look like snow white when she cuts her hair short and they both have brown eyes. It is better to have an actress who can conceivably look like a princess (because she is very beautiful) maybe not exactly but is dependable enough to know how act and sing compared to someone who looks exactly like snow white and not have any of those things. Its also just disney's fault like you said that have surface level feminism reboots to make a quick crash grab instead of developing actual fledged out women's stories.
@@erikdaniels0nit's funny because seeing her belt her lungs out on west side story and hunger games people would think at least even to her haters that she's a star but people like you are definitely insecure you're on your phone all day hating on someone that can never be you... a successful hollywood star. Eat a bagel and loosen up. You're regular. She's deluxe.
i like when u gave examples of male actors exhibiting the same "problematic behaviours" and being unscathed, it really cemented your points about the inequalities in the industry
People hate kids for being a kids. It's not only about Millie Bobby Brown, but about kinds and teens. Adults did forget they were kids as well. Kids don't have to behave like an old british gentleman in coma.
I have the hardest time with Janet Hubert's Aunt Viv treatment. I have a hard time believing that colorism didn't play a role in her mistreatment. It doesn't help that Daphne Maxwell Reid aka Aunt Viv #2 is much lighter skinned than Janet Hubert. Hollywood has a history of replacing/dark skin female actresses. I would sit and name examples but I have all ready on other forms of media. Anyways great video.
imagine being a young mcdonald’s fry cook with aspirations to become a pro chef, and then when you express your desire to work somewhere more prestigious ppl are like “but you owe your successes to ronald mcdonald. so ungrateful 🙄”
15:53 I think you’ve kind of walked past the point here. While I definitely agree that Heigl was unfairly criticised for not even really that bad opinions, ultimately, she worked in a small tight community of people with fragile egos. If you look at the male actors, who are equally outspoken, you’ll notice that they aren’t outspoken on the same topics. Even male actors know you can’t really openly criticise the professional work of your colleagues until years after you have stopped working with them. She did a joint interview with Ellen Pompeo, where Ellen basically admitted that Heigl was completely right about the toxic work environment on Grey’s Anatomy, but she basically said what everyone else should know which is she couldn’t (or she felt she couldn’t) say that publicly because she felt it with hurt her career, and looking at Heigl she was right. You’ll also notice that none of the mail actors who have since spoken out about the toxic environment didn’t speak about it at the time either.
@@ModernGurlzHuge Grant also had a massive lull in the amount of work he was getting due to his behaviour in the past. Who’s to say his behaviour during the press tour of Wonka (which I did not know about until right now to be honest) won’t have the same effect? Plenty of male actors have blown up their careers by talking about their colleagues poorly, Chevy Chase being the biggest example I can think of. You use Robert Pattinson as an example of an actor disrespecting his film while on the press tour and not having any backlash, which is true. However the whole cast (with the notable exception of Michael Sheen in the later films) was making fun of the film publicly, including Hardwick the director if you listen to the DVD commentary on the first film. Hardwick, Stewart and Pattinson - all of them. I liked the video but I just don’t agree with that particular angle. Sorry 🤷🏾♀️
If a teenage girl was telling me my writing needed work I would fucking listen. The egos of these producers are ridiculous like they can never do no wrong and any actors that disagree are just problematic
Maligned women is my favourite genre of content!!! Give them their flowers!! They knew they deserved better than what they were getting, and were punished for asking for it 😢
I feel like Disney should have offered Rachel Zegler more media training. As mentioned in the video, Disney’s monetization of girlboss culture has been going on for YEARS yet none of the other actresses got this much backlash (you could say The Little Mermaid got a ton of backlash but that was due to “race-swapping” and not the actress’s comments). All the princesses were asked the same questions about how their remake differs from the source material and they all gave girlboss answers but still showed so much respect and love for the original. There is a compilation video showing all of them talking about this in contrast to Rachel.
@@Arguing.With.Idiots. again, I think it’s with the delivery. That’s why I said she should’ve gotten more media training. She was more or less saying the same things as the other actresses but her delivery could’ve been better. She also “joked” about cutting out scenes of the male lead which regardless of intent, was disrespectful to her co-star. It’s all in the delivery.
@@cyrilmarasigan7108 Disney wants them to support the empowered female messaging. Obviously no one told Rachel to admit she found the original movie “scary” or to say the Prince was a “stalker.” Again it’s her delivery, not the overall message that she’s getting so much backlash about. At this point, we already expect Disney to girlboss all their remakes, the least she can do is be mindful of her delivery and be respectful, like the other actresses who took on princess remakes before her.
I constantly get called a 'female dog' for standing up for myself, 'argumentative' when I debate illogical things, and 'demanding' when I refuse to take on work that is being handed to me so others can slack off. I deeply appreciate every word you put into videos like these, since if it was a male doing these things, they'd be called much more positive adjectives.
I was also labeled “argumentative” as a child because I questioned things. I questioned religion and patriarchy and gender roles and politics in my small, rural town and I was seen as “just wanting to start trouble” Even when I went to college, and asked for clarification on things (like someone’s stances on abortion or the death penalty, for example), the first thing was a sigh and “why are you so argumentative?” Like, bro. You can’t even defend your views from just a mild pushback. And I’m the one in the wrong?
Tmi but I was that kid who told people in school to not use the word b*tch or f*ck to address someone or use as an adjective unless they mean to be spiteful. Some listened, some didn't, and the latter either I avoided or they avoided me. It worked for me tbh.
After your hunger games video, I was surprised when you said “it’s popular to not love her” so I checked why Rachel Zegler touched a string with people. I was baffled by the public harassment over 3 comments she made (and rightfully too) while men like Robert Pattinson and recently Jacob Elordi have publicly shamed the most successful franchise they have made without remorse. People call them right and funny when they are men but when they are women they are opiniated and difficult. Screaming double standards.
And people applaud them, too. That's why I didn't understand why Rachel got the hate she got. Even the actor that played Stannis Baratheon on Game of Thrones said he didn't understand why people like that show, and fans thought it was funny he "was playing himself" 🤷♀️
Here’s the difference: Rachel stepped into a pre-existing franchise. She had every opportunity to look into the story and such. She didn’t. Then, afters signing on, she did, and decided she didn’t like it and shit all over it. She didn’t do her homework. Robert Pattinson had a couple books that, while they were best-sellers, were all he had to go on. He signed on BEFORE Stephenie Meyer made it so known how much she was wet-dreaming about this ostensible teenager, and the worst of the books weren’t available yet. What Pattinson had to research was minimal in comparison to what Rachel had. Rachel had DECADES of pre-established media and lore to research. She had EVERY FUCKING THING, and she CHOSE to NOT research. Pattinson ended up making Twilight. Rachel didn’t. He had relatively little to go on. Rachel had so goddamned much that it’s enviable. If someone were to step into a Twilight project today, then shit on it later, they’d deserve to be roasted because of what they now have to go on. That didn’t exist for Pattinson. It did for Rachel. She saw dollar signs and didn’t care to do her homework.
I'm starting to realise that being a performer means doing things that feel disingenuous to you as a person, and you are bound to feel completely depersonalised at times. I've experienced it while modelling, or working in retail, or doing acting auditions. You're like, who the hell am I? I sound like an idiot. I'm sure those feelings would be greatly magnified if you got famous for doing something you weren't even proud of, and you were hyper aware that people were always going to remember you as, for instance, Hannah Montana, instead of Miley Cyrus. It takes a lot of shenanigans to make Miley the more memorable character. I think that's what these actresses were trying to voice; the fear they had. And it's valid.
It's wild that people criticize actors/celebrities for not speaking up about uncomfortable work environments, for not using their influence to spur change, then turn around and call women ungrateful when they do say something. And as a woman who has zero public presence, something similar (though on a smaller scale) happens to us all the time. Me: That situation felt off. I think we can do better next time. A man (sometimes also woman): No, you just misinterpreted your experience. It's fine.
I find it extra wild that Rachel Zegler is getting so much backlash because her whole brand has basically been "Hollywood newcomer who's so grateful for her opportunities." You can find no absence of comments from her about how thankful she is, especially on her UA-cam channel. But the second she says a generic Disney girlboss talking point the movie's PR team probably told her to say, everyone turns on her because she dared to take 2 seconds away from talking about how grateful she is. She's super talented and shouldn't have to continue proving she deserves her roles. I hope she bounces back from this and continues getting cast!
There should be a study on how so many actresses have received insane backlash for starring in Disney projects. Every year, there’s another internet hate campaign as soon as they got cast for a role, regardless of they do or didn’t do. Any response or clapback they make results in them being called "ungrateful" or "toxic" while fellow costars and directors rarely defend them, as they don’t want to throw themselves to the wolves. It’s happened to Brie Larson, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran, Hallie Bailey, Moses Ingram, and now Rachel Ziegler. While it’s not that the characters they played have the best writing. This isn’t surprising as Disney has only two or three types of female characters they copied and pasted on multiples ones nowadays (and not just on Marvel and Star Wars). But it’s not the studio that pays the price for consciously writing different characters the exact same way over and over; it’s the actresses who were just for following the script. And with every new sequel, remake, or mini-series, there’s always gonna be a new target practice.
The Jenna Ortega thing is so ridiculous because the example she gave of Wednesday being out of character WAS out of character!! I feel like she just helped them avoid the extreme fanfic- ification or riverdale treatment of Wednesday and they should honestly be thanking her🤦🏻♀️
and unfortunately it still gave riverdale 😭 im a huge jenna fan so i basically watch anything she’s in but i had to quit wednesday half way through
Weirdly people who hate rachel zegler will use jenna as the "good" example of a young actress - they even spread rumors Jenna was replacing her in snow white. But if Jenna even stepped out of line slightly you know theyd turn on her
YES!!
@Valentine-pm3kb Yes. I know Wednesday was a huge hit. People can like whatever they want, of course. It's just NOT the Addams Family. Not only the plot, but all of them look like they're dressing like the family for Halloween. Everything is just so...off. I'm also annoyed by Tim Burton saying that the casting for Gomez was like this because he wanted to be true to the original comics. I'm like... my guy, if you wanted to be true to the comics you would have cast a strange looking actress for Morticia too. But no, Morticia is played by a beautiful woman and Gomez is an absolute troll. As always, a beautiful woman cast with an ugly man. Male directors do it deliberately.
Exactly
Jenna Ortega was RIGHT. That show felt like it was written by people who only skimmed the Addams Family shows and movies and maybe read the wiki page, then decided to repackage it as an addition to the cookie cutter teen paranormal drama format. I miss shows being genuinely weird from time to time...
Weirdness is treated like something offensive now.
I’m glad they made her producer
I honestly felt like it didn't even feel like a Tim Burton project. If anyone can do weird it's him so it's specially trash for him to to make something so half-assed.
It felt like a rushed script written the night before its due date. Not sure why people were mad, when they obviously didn't put that much effort into it.
Jenna really did her damndest to make it work in the most bland writing one could get
The media was unnecessarily harsh on Millie Bobby Brown. She was a kid when she started and interviews were new to her. She wasn’t even being rude in the interviews. She was bursting with excitement and was being herself. She didn’t deserve the backlash or the online harassment for being an excited kid.
I can't be the only one who finds the Millie Bobby Brown homophobia jokes to be extremely weird, especially considering that those jokes started when she was like 14-15.
Cara isn't "excited enough" but when Millie is, she's "showboating." It's that speech from The Barbie Movie all over again.
@@yippedoodah No matter how actresses act, the media will always find something to judge them.
I agree that she's just a kid. However, how old were her co-stars? Did they behave that way? Okay okay so they were young GUYS! How about when Sadie joined the group, what was her behavior like and how old was she? Just wondering.
i feel so bad also with all the memes about her
I find it ironic that women being written lately as quirky, independent, and assertive are celebrated and in some cases groundbreaking, but women who conduct themselves that way in real life are condemned
EXACTLY.
IRL the words they use are "b*tch, miserable, etc".
Period!👏
own worst enemies
Truthfully the women who are written that way are also condemned. There's no winning. Not even a hint of it
It’s because no one actually likes arrogant women
I think heigel’s downfall was so cruel. It was just her opinion, and it was a good perspective, one that a lot of us would agree with nowadays. And the producers/directors bullied her out of her success because they couldn’t take the constructive criticism for creating the film outside of a woman’s perspective
In reality I agreed with what she said about "Knocked-Up".
However, her comment about Grey's Anatomy was inappropriate and extremely insulting and disrespectful.
@@lysirishfleur3030 She wasn't wrong about Knocked-Up but it was the wording. She called the movie sexist, in short calling its director (who was very powerful back then) sexist. If she had just kept her comments to wishing her character wasn't such a killjoy and more fun-loving like the guys, Heigl would've been okay. Hollywood is about relationships and egos, and she made the mistake of offending the people who made her big on films AND TV.
So when Matthew Perry was against chandler cheating on Monica, it's seen as sweet. but when Katherine Heigl is against her character cheating in general she's seen as criticising the show?
Was Mathew Perry open about objecting to that storyline when it was on the air or did his objection only come out after the fact? Because that is a key difference I think.
Exactly. Also RIP Matthew Perry. We miss you.
I don't think there should be a difference, actors make media that can be interpreted as an extension of their views (not saying it is right and I don't mean movies about murderers etc).
If we take away the freedom to speak out about the making of said media and being able to disagree with parts of it. That would be censorship
@@anotherhuman3221 anyone can say anything they like but they should be prepared to accept the consequences when the people they are criticising are upset and their colleagues don’t want to work with them. Hollywood is a small business with fragile egos.
Actors should speak up but when it’s about creative choices the time to speak up is either when they are filming or years after the film or show has been released - not during the press tour! It’s unprofessional if you are a man or woman.
@@DSQueenieisn’t it also “unprofessional” to say all interviews are just the same 8 questions?
I mean, she is right that cheating is over used and disgusting. Just used for shock value and entertainment even if it goes against a character.
For example, if the writers suddenly had Ned Stark cheating the day before he was executed, would it be wrong for Sean to say, yeah that was a dumb choice…?!
Because actors are the embodiment of the character and characters should follow logical progression (unless the writers just want drama for the sake of drama and don’t care about plot).
I mean… have you *seen* Grey’s Anatomy? It’s a train wreck.
Speaking of Robert Pattionson and Twilight, it was not lost on me at all that while the public at large found Robert Pattionson's opinions on Twilight charming, Kristen Stewart was given the the "ungrateful" title with her talent called into question. If ever we need to ask if men and women are treated the same...
I don’t recall Kristen speaking against her character, but if she ever did, GOOD. Bella and Edward are terrible characters written by a perverted middle-aged woman who gets off on dreams about teenagers and who sees nothing wrong with magically sexually pairing babies with teens who will then be tasked with grooming them until they’re pseudo-legally fuckable.
@K.C-2049 Yeah it seems like it was easier for Robert Pattinson to get new roles after Twilight (at least ones I've heard about and enjoyed like The Lighthouse, last year's Batman and even the English dub for Hayao Miyazaki's new film) than Kristen Stewart. I haven't really heard much from her lately except for the Princess Diana movie she did a few years ago and I also really liked.
Funny cuz everyone i knew hate loved both rob and kris for their hate for the characters they played because we all despised the twilight books
Except that Kristen was a characterless cheater
@@Saukingalphathis has nothing to do with the debate. See how misogyny works?
Just want to say Katherine Heigl handled all of this amazingly and is right about everything she said. Not surprising that she didn’t get the appropriate support but she really deserved it. Honestly any female actor that doesn’t just smile and say everything’s fine is always criticized even though the majority of the time, they care even more than their male coworkers
No. She wasn't right about everything and she deserved the pushback. Had she said, I was playing such a bitch. It made it unfun for me at times. It would have gone down alot differently. But what she said was that women as a whole were portrayed negatively in the movie and made it about writing and directing choices that unfairly attacked her coworkers as being sexist just because she didn't really like the character she was hired to play. As an actor, unless you're a huge one like will smith or tom cruise or Julia Roberts in their haydays, you don't really get to tell the writers how to write. It makes you a bitch, and ungrateful. She got exactly what she deserved for getting too big for her britches too soon in her career. Just like Rachel Ziegler, Brie Larsen, and Shia LaBeouf.
She may have had a point but there's a way to say those things or say them behind closed doors. Think she got all the backlash to get her to shut up and be humble.
@@MMLynnmarie I could agree with that
@@MMLynnmarieI've always thought that they did her dirty and that she had major star power
@@MMLynnmarieHumble herself for what? What did she do?? Y’all are so annoying 😭
Robert Pattinson has taken shots at his character as Edward Cullens in Twilight in pretty much every interview he's done for that movie and even insulted the book and author, but instead of being labeled as ungrateful and difficult just like these female actresses, he was praised and labeled as funny for his bluntness and honesty. The double standard is very real. If he can openly criticize his character and the writing without backlash, even if the movie made him lots of money, then why can't they?
Pretty sure the series he's hating on being "Twilight" helps a lot in that regard. It's popular to hate on Twilight after all. Something like Snow White, on the other hand, features a character that may not be the most beloved Disney princess ever, but did make many people's childhoods just the slightest bit happier. Snow white is entrenched in our childhoods and pleasant memories. People are always more defensive over sentimental things. All that being said, double standards are definitely at play too. But they're not the only reasons.
@@AS-jw5sk I suppose, but the Twilight saga did jump-start his career, and it was extremely popular when it came out. Nobody knew who he was until Twilight, so I'd expect replies like "shouldn't you be grateful?", but that never happened. Being an attractive white male has its advantages. Also, I think it's easier to hate on something when you're just a regular person. I've seen people say what Rachel Zegler said about Snow White with many others agreeing, but no backlash was given, but when the feedback comes from a movie star, the actor or actress in question is a much easier target, but actors get a lot more grace.
@@AS-jw5skget a grip! Snow White was definitely not one of the most beloved princess! Nobody ever talked about her until now!! You guys are mad because of the casting choices of the last two movies, be honest 🙄
@@calyyygrazie8 Listen... I couldn't care less about who plays Snow White. So I'm definitely not mad. I don't even watch Disney live action remakes. Nor did i like Twilight. This is simply something I'm stating because I have observed it. Nothing is ever simply because of just one reason. There are usually many factors involved. It's good for you that you seem to feel so strongly about this issue, but my mind is not occupied by it. I'm commenting because I came across this video and this comment and wanted to add my observations. I never said Snow White was one of the most beloved princesses( in my original comment, i stated, word for word, that Snow White "may not be one of the most beloved", reread what i wrote) I said that she forms a part of many people's childhood. Which she undeniably does. Whether loved or not, people get defensive over childhood memories. I'm not very sure fighting on the internet is going to result in any real change for any of these real world issues. Either way, today is Christmas day for us in this part of the world, so Merry Christmas and God bless you. Have a blessed day and new year ahead.
@@frostbite2119 I agree, actually. There are definitely double standards and sexism involved. I merely wanted to point out that in this particular case of Rob Pattinson, there are more factors involved.
I’m not an American but this video has made me so irritated
Actors are getting away with rape pedophilia and all kind of sexual crimes but the actresses are getting purposefully crashed only cause some group of people did not like thier choice of words
Sadly accurate double standard AF.
@@lareina5790 thank goodness. My dad and I think they’re crap!
@@lareina5790 how long it took to Sheen to be fired? Kevin Spacey is trying to came back, and getting space for it. How long it took to Harvey Weinstein and Bill Bosby to be punished for their crimes? Years, Decades of crimes and destroying woman lives.
if that makes you angry don’t ever read about the french entertainment industry
But there are more than them. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are fine despite abusing teenagers. They are the ones I always remember but there are more actor, writer and directors than actually DID things and not just said their impopular opinions, and are fine still working in Hollywood.
That letter about Megan Fox was SO incredibly sexist it legit msde my jaw drop
People sometimes have a hard time understanding how rampant sexism and misogyny were back in the 2000s and early 2010s in the public media. It‘s still very bad, but it‘s hardly a match to what we were confronted with back then.
The comment about 'being a pornstar in the future might be a good career option' was genuinely WILD
SAME!! WTF
When they started saying that she should be a porn star, omfg that was such an atrocious statement. You just know they have disgusting conversations about her. And yet, Megan was the one dubbed "unprofessional?" That's workplace harassment.
@@cherrycake44and the people who wrote it genuinely thought it was a “sick burn”
Like, bro. It shows she was right about the awful work environment lmao
Even Jenna thought that the love triangle between Wednesday, Xavier and Tyler was completely unnecessary, and that Wednesday should simply continue being her awesome, single self. It disgusts me that she's being bullied by a 60 year old man for simply doing her job.
I think you meant unnecessary.
It’s like that one meme. “Why are you booing her? She’s right!”
And even if she wasn’t, she’s allowed to express her opinion on the show she’s on.
The writers were mad that she was right. That her changes helped the show. Bruised their egos.
seeing her cry in her actors on actors video was so sad, really reminds you how young she and other actors/actresses her age are when dealing with being a public figure.
I agree with her, and I think she was right to speak up and fight for her vision of the character even if she didn’t win all battles. But in my opinion it was a bit unprofessional to throw the writers under the bus publicly in that way. There is a difference between bringing something up privately and doing so publicly. That said, it is nothing major and she is very young and not used to the big public attention, it is certainly hard to adjust to that.
Millie was only acting like herself in the interviews, and she didn't deserve to be ridiculed for acting the way a regular twelve year old girl normally behaves. It's so stressful to grow up in the public eye, and having complete strangers scrutinise your every single move.
I feel bad for Millie. Being a child is hard, but being a child where the whole world is watching is terrifying. Look at Britney Spears and other child stars from other eras(actors and/or singers).
Millie did interrupt the others A LOT though. But most of the time, what she had to say was a lot more interesting and funnier (no offense to the others)🙈I love her interviews more
Again; she was a child. You were no better at that age, I can guarantee that. And IF by some chance you were; most people aren't and weren't any better behaved. Most of her time in the spotlight has been as a child, of course a 12 year old isn't emotionally mature.
I remember being 12, and knowing I was talking A LOT, and feeling like I was physically unable to stop. Sometimes it's just nervous energy, or difficulty with impulse control, or even excitement about a topic. It's so normal! I don't know what people were expecting!
@@growingupwithdisney she was literal child so interrupting people "a lot"( I didn't see this) did not warrant the kind of vitriol adults threw at her.
I think what happened with Cara is that she was fortunate enough to be in a film with a co-stars who defended her. Male co-stars that is. Them defending her prevented the massive hate train the other actresses suffered.
Yup
As a woman, I learned you have to sugarcoat EVERY critique you make, and make sure you don't sound angry - or else, you're a threat.
@@sauronthedeceiver3363that's funny, because my father booms naturally too-- but the men he works with (as an ATTORNEY) are all for it. He cusses, makes shitty jokes, and booms all he wants. The men eat it up, the women tolerate it. And I see that dynamic everywhere I go- rarely do I see a reversal of it. Men thunder their way through all kinds of interactions regardless of the intimidation they generate and get by unscathed.
Maybe your dad is just a considerate person.
@@sauronthedeceiver3363also. Comparing human decency to living deliberately impaired is WILD
As I grew into a woman I learnt to not give a single fuck about what men thi k about me. As I'm being me and if that's such a problem then they ain't meant to stay in my life. Oh boy I've had some expirences
At my old job I got in trouble all the time for being a “know it all” or being difficult because I had done the job longer than everyone else. When I gave notice and moved to a new job, the bosses couldn’t contain their glee. Now they are contacting me on a regular basis because they realized I actually DID know more than them…. It’s fascinating.
@@MK-gv1wd nice fan faction, too bad its just a story
I feel awful for many of these actresses, especially Constance Wu. As Tessa stated, she was under no obligation to comply with the demands of the public, and she naturally wanted to move on after being on a sitcom for six years. I had no idea that the backlash led to her to attempt to take her own life. I'm glad that she seems to be doing better emotionally now.
also i do remember reading somewhere that the fifth season was supposed to be the last one so when the sixth season got confirmed she was upset as they already wrapped the story and there is nothing more to add though i don't know if this is real or not
I specially felt terrible for her after I found out that she was abused on that show. I too would want to move from something that led to so much pain in my life. And then to be bullied about being "ungrateful" by thousands of people must have been terrible.
I think what’s missing for me though is that us regular folk cannot act like that. If a contract in a project I didn’t like get extended at work, I would be fired for tweeting something like that. Sometimes women do have unprofessional meltdowns - but it’s justified because todays brand of feminism is “I support women’s rights, and women’s wrongs.” I do think women get more flack for complaining compared to men, but we can’t pretend like the way they complain is ok. Daniel Radcliffe never said any tone deaf, or threw digs at HP - he just went on to do silly cool projects without complaining that the world isn’t seeing his potential. Reality check for all these actresses: almost no one on earth gets to see their full potential under capitalism. We’re all stuck in certain jobs for health care, so you complaining about your artistic potential is tone death, and yes, it’s insulting to all the people employed on the shows you complain about. Don’t you think the writers or camera operators want to show to be renewed to feed their families for a couple more reliable years?
@@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml Bingo.
@trinaq greetings... season's greetings, Trina! Hope all is well.
This has completely changed my opinion of Katherine Heigl. I just accepted what I read in the media when I was younger and never really thought about it critically. The fact people turned against her for what she said about Knocked Up (which I completely agree with) and for expecting equal treatment on a show where she is clearly a valued character is mad. I've always found Judd Apatow's work a bit slimy as well. I feel like he has some sort of weird vendetta against women and I don't really get why his films are so popular tbh. Knowing that I actively disliked 4 of the actresses in this video for the reasons mentioned is embarrassing...
But it takes bravery to admit that! Self reflection is hard. None of us want to admit we’ve been culpable or complicit with systemic misogyny or racism etc. but we have to sit in that uncomfortable space in order to learn and grow and be better. As a huge fan of Grey’s and Shonda Rhimes at the time, I felt similarly about Katherine Heigl then. I was wrong. It’s ok to admit that. Thank you for sharing your comment.
I think with Katherine is that there's also a time and place to say those things. As much as it sucks, we can't just say what we want without repercussions. She may have had valid points, but I would've never aired my feelings about them so publicly. People have lost their jobs for saying less (which while wrong, still happens).
@@Mia_M that time and place being when and where? 10 years after the movie is made? 20?
I remember at the time thinking she wasn't wrong about the knocked up comments, watching the movie it felt like her character was portrayed as an unreasonable nag when she was asking for the bare minimum from her partner. I still think the Emmy retraction was a bit tacky given the award isn't just about her but she seemed well intentioned about it
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052privately. That’s the time and place. I can’t just do and say whatever I want, otherwise it could cost me my job. Its fine to be dissatisfied but when you’re publicly airing that, what do you really expect to happen?
Katherine’s comments about knocked up are completely true….. she was ahead of her time.
It's pretty obvious he degraded her in that movie
She improvised most of her lines
all those raunchy 2010 movies didn't age well. She was right in everything she said but for speaking up, she was shunned for it.
My husband had me watch that movie when I was pregnant because he was convinced it was "sweet". I angry cried A LOT (ah hormones) and we had a real talk about how differently women are shown on screen in comedies specifically, and the negative impacts of that in the real world. It was a great conversation, and I will never watch that movie again lol
No one knows what this generation wants,I love that the video pointed it out especially when she said Disney is currently confused because back in the day, people were calling snow white and Cinderella terrible role models now they are great again?
Aunt Viv wanted everyone to ask for a bigger paycheck because they deserved it as they were one of THE biggest shows at the time and got paid nowhere near what FRIENDS did, which came after them.
will refused and acted like an immature child. she was an adult fighting for everyone's rights
actors like her advocated for the very thing SAG AFTRA demanded in the most recent actors x writers strike and she was ignored and blackballed
@@monovatherealest because of Will Smith the most. That's why he is annoying now showing his true colors.
"The first Aunt Viv was the best Aunt Viv." Saw this in a book I read and now I understand it better.
YES
I feel so bad for jenna ortega because she made such a good Wednesday but i couldnt watch the show specifically because of the reasoms she gave. She clearly had the best understanding of the character out of anyone working there.
....AND ANOTHER THING. The constant digs at Gomez and Morticia? Morticia pressuring Wednesday to fit in and fill her shoes? What family do they think theyre writing???
John Greene being confirmed a girls girl was not what i expected out of this.
Katherine Heigl said everything any one of us would have said about her roles. It is awful that her candidness was shamed, she was never disrespectful to the projects themselves.
Knocked up shouldn’t have made it into a script much less a movie
It’s a double standard for me, cause in the case of Robert Pattinson (that said even more “evil” things about twilight) everyone was like “oh so funny” but in her case they were so harsh
Seth Rogan is also really a hypocrite. When the things came out about that other actor James Franco, he went: Women should be respected and have a voice. But then he says he feels betrayed by Katherines comments (which are true, the movie was a mess)
It just tells me, that she is most likely not that hard to work with on set (as they claim), for him to be surprised she would make those comments later.
Katherine doesn't have roles anymore because she was known to be extremely rude to everyone she worked with.
@@49er16 maybe it’s her coworkers who are usually being assholes towards her. Why is that not a possibility?
Heigl 7:10 remarks about Knocked Up was exactly everything wrong with 2000s/2010s raunchy comedies. It's the reason why I kinda mostly hate female leads even if I enjoyed the movies because it's truly written to feed men's stereotypes by men. I don't know much about her drama then other than "difficult" part, but I find a lot things she said really shows how conscious and ahead of her time she is.
The female leads back then were either prudish frauds who fed the stereotype of desperately needing a man in the sheets or naive, quirky messes, who were supposedly in their late 20s acting like freaking emotionally unstable teenage girls. It was unbearable.
I agree. I also loved her work on Greys, and I really respect that she withdrew her name for the award. Especially considering Sandra Oh hadn't won ANYTHING for it yet, and she carried the show
Its the reason why i don't like raunchy cpmedies in general she's completely on point
One of my biggest takeaways from this is that in so many of these cases - especially MBB, Constance Wu, Megan Fox, Katherine Heigl, Jenna Ortega - a lot of these women are simply being candid and voicing their real thoughts and experiences with their projects. The outrage against them feeds into this idea that actresses basically just need to look pretty and say the line - and yet the one example in this of a young actress doing just that (Rachel Zegler) faced HUGE backlash. Actresses aren't taken seriously as creatives or as professionals with thoughts and opinions on the creative or business aspects of the job they're in. And women generally aren't allowed to express frustrations without being called 'spoilt', 'bratty' or 'nags'.
Im a nurse and when I was working at a hospital, i had similar experience. During meeting I was some criticism towards equipment,that its old and outdated etc. Few days later I heard gossip about myself how I was "complaining and shouting" during meeting. I wasnt shouting at all. And those werent complains those were geniuous concerns. But as soon as a male and a doctor said the same things, I heard about how kind he is and how he cares about patients because he wants modern equipment.
Whenever I think about Joaquin Phoenix's lazy interviews, Jared Leto's antics on set, or Daniel Day-Lewis method acting so hard he stayed wheelchair bound for months, and then this is stuff the female actors are criticized for? It's so frustrating.
Jared Leto is actually hated by literally everyone
TBH it's not really the same comparison. Very famous people will can get away with a lot more. A new actor is going to get a lot more scrutiny. If they're blowing up really fast, people will think they were given favors, and expect to act more grateful, whether or not that's actually correct. Joaquin Phoenix is a huge name, so it's more like "can a movie get him on board". Daniel-Day Lewis and Jared Leto's antics were also not as public as interviews, and everyone hates Jared Leto because he's a dick anyways. If anything to do with Zegler's hate is tied to her identity, I think it's more to do with race. Like she says in the video, some people got really pissed at her because they got a Latina actress for Snow White, so they tried their best to dig up dirt.
@user-jl9ex8qj4s well I think now people are overlooking it, and just didn't like how she seems completely ignorant about the story and makes it GIRL BOSSY. Quoting "the main focus of the STORY was love life(bullshit, the focus was Evil Queen trying to KILL her teenage stepdaughter), so we're change that", did she or everyone not think saying buzz words like that would gave a feministic tone, giving away Disney shitty agenda? Main theme is simple: The beauty isn't always out, it's also within. How they gloss over that messaging and wants to see who JUST, is beyond me 🤷🏾♀️
There are COUNTLESS of male actors, from different generations who could not make it any more obvious on interviews that they don't give a flying F about their roles and projects and they are perceived as cool, chill, an actor who does not take himself too seriously. It's beyond infuriating that actresses, especially newcomers and young ones, on the other hand literally have to show eternal, undying gratefulness and love for the roles they auditioned for and booked. It's such a joke.
Like Pattinson in twilight.
@@mikejunior211No, I remember interviews he did while promoting the movie where he talked about twilight negatively
@@mikejunior211 there was no backlash because he's a man. He constantly openly showed his dislike for the role while the movies were going on. I like him a lot, but I also like these actresses a lot too. Women constantly get the backhand slap for doing the exact same thing men do.
@@mikejunior211rachel zegler did nothing wrong by saying snow white is outdated. it is. obviously.
@mikejunior211 i like Rob P, literally my only Hollywood make crush since childhood. But that man was expressing his dislike throughout the whole franchise promotion and its peak. He actually later on, after he finished playing Edward, expressed gratitude or some appreciation towards Twilight, at least the 1st one, saying something like it's stupid to be hating on Twilight nowdays and that the it's a camp movie.
Man did this resonate. I am 1 of 2 women on a team that does tech work for a LARGE company. This year for my annual review, though meeting all my goals and going beyond, I was told I did not deserve a top placing (5 out of 5). I fought it and honestly I'm happy I did. It didn't change the outcome, but it has sparked my higher ups to see I'm not going to do above and beyond if the recognition does not match that.
❤ that’s great
This reminds me of my sister, who was recently told at work that she's earning pretty good money with them. They pay her the absolute legal minimum for that position...
Did you call your boss Hitler or go on social media and trash your company's name and say their product/service is garbage? Perhaps you'd like to do that here. I'm sure the business will appreciate it.
@christopherhenderson482 mind you, the reason that Megan called him that was bc he was s3xualizing her in numerous scenes when she was only a teen & was body shamed on the set of the Transformers sequel 💀
I hate to bring up "The Man" by Taylor Swift, because it's one of my least favorite song from the Lover album, but that song perfectly sums up this whole discourse. Rachel Zegler said she did Shazam because she "needed a Job" and everyone went after her for being ungrateful, but then when Jacob Elordi said the excact same thing for one of his projects, everyone went "Oh, he's so real" or "Such a relatable king"
Play the opressed victim card always work. That is what her PR make her do now. It was all a misunderstood. She is smug and a brat. But she 20,she will learn from this😂😂😂. She is so privilge and so spoiled. That she acts like everyone owns her something.
At the time she was cast in Shazam, she’d filmed West Side Story (I think) but it hadn’t come out yet. Before Spielberg plucked her from absolute obscurity to play María in West Side Story, she was just a theatre kid starring in her high school’s production of Shrek and uploading covers to UA-cam. When she was cast in Shazam, the only thing the casting people had to go off was her audition and the Spielberg seal of approval
People don't realize that when your starting out as an actor a lot of your first few roles are gonna be scraps and easy pickings it takes a LONG time for some to climb up the ladder. Some of the best and most famous actors in the industry right now didn't even have some of their first Big roles until well into their 30s/40s. So Rachel taking whatever she can get really isn't something to call ungrateful it's just surviving in a cut throat business.
The man literally sums up how everyone treats women nowadays 🤦🏾♀️
Because she was in a project marketed towards boys while he was in one marketed towards girls. The media has no problem with anyone crapping on movies for women but if it is one for men they defend it Even if they don't like it (the movie bombed so I Guess none of the Shazam defenders went to see it)
The whole thing with Jenna and her 60 year old bully just proves that Hollywood is drowning in misogyny.
No, because no one knows that man. Jenna has a fabulous public image and it’s continuing to grow.
I mean DeKnight worked for years alongside Joss Whedon, who was known for behind the scenes misogyny, cheating on his wife with actors under him who were also massively younger than him, and being aggressive and sometimes violent with his actors.
But DeKnight is more worried that a girl might have opinions on his script. Never really said much about Joss that I can find. Like... that makes it super obvious to me
I honestly don't believe a sixty-year-old man could write a good script about an edgy Goth teenager.@@twistysunshine
Katherine Heigl took herself out of the run because she thought her role was mediocre and it didn't deserve a trophy? And she preferred another woman to win? How dare she?!?!?!
It was definitely arrogant and insulting. First it implies shes not only going to get the noomination but shes likely to win despite the script being mediocre.
Its insulting to her show and the writers, who want the nomination for publicity.
Its insulting to all the 'lesser' actresses who now have a chance to win now shes given it over as charity.
Its definitely insulting to the academy and its voters.
Rule number 1 of Hollywood. Thou shalt not hurt the productions reputation and profits unless thou art related to a senior executive, have blackmail material on a senior executive or are the sole named star for thy role is replaceable.
@@voiceofraisin3778Seek therapy, no one cares
The problem was she insulted the script, not her acting, is she had said my acting did not deserve the nomination that might have been taken differently. But she said the material, which was definitely an insult to the writers and the show runner.
What I really dislike is that this love/hate binary makes it impossible to actually give nuanced criticism without it being put into the same bin as hateful comments. Everything is blown out of proportion in Hollywood. Where is the room for dialogue in media culture like that?
Honestly, there is none. If you have nuanced criticism but you don't want to join in on the pile on, you have to bite your tongue. Because they receive so much disproportionate hate, these actresses become immune from critique in other circles.
@@TheSongwritingCat I understand your Point, but there always hast to be room for factual criticism, there really are no exceptions to this, if you value critical thinking at all. But of course, there is a time and place for such talk, timing and context matter just as much as phrasing and Tone of voice. But there always has to be room for criticism if those factors are accounted for. No single human is or should be beyond reproach.
Well no one cares about things that they don’t care about! Come on! Love or hate, it has to be one for someone to care!
It does genuinely exist. Mostly outside of the internet though.
Men have plenty of room for this. Listen to Henry Cavill talk about Tge Witcher. He loves the source material, and he was really passionate about the project. However, he had to do exactly what Jenna Ortega did and save the writers from really horrible decisions that made no sense for his character. Everybody praises him as a passionate and honest actor who saved the show. But Jenna is an unprofessional harpy who's too big for her britches.
I wrote a comment on another video (I forget which and made by who) but every so often there is the internet’s/society’s villain actress. Yet actors like Hugh Grant or Cillian Murphy are praised as ‘down to earth’ and celebrated for not being happy during interviews and outwardly disliking press. I don’t always like assuming that if genders were reversed things would be different but if Hugh or Cillian were women they would be seen as lazy, ungrateful, on their period etc.
I have so many male actors that i have liked since I was a child and if they’re were women people would hate them so much. It’s actually sad.
Yeah the ‘disappointed’ Cillian Murphy. Imagine if that was Scarlett Johansson 😐
Kristen Stewart has basically been the same as Cillian Murphy in interviews but people have given her so much shit for it.
Hugh Grant is a pig.
I have to say though, Cillian just has RBF, like people have asked him about it and he said he gets tired and his face rests, he's not really disappointed. Like every interview that's longer than five minutes he's engaging and talking in depth about his character and the work. He never talks down about his work is the thing
Also I've only ever seen Kirsten called down to earth and real for how she comes across, so idk if we've been in different parts of the Internet but I don't think tis applicable
Damn, people really hate it when women have opinions
People really hate it when women.
There, I haphazardly fixed your sentence for you.
I'm just teasing 😂 But definitely not joking haha.
It's crazy because I always stayed out of these kinds of discussions (I'm 27 now) but not only only but in my real everyday life... It's become such a serious & often times DANGEROUS problem... Whether that happens to be physically, financially, emotionally.... Spiritually.... Just a disturbingly increase problem. I don't understand why the patriarchy is so deep seeded that most XY's have regressed to the ability of caring for themselves at the same level as a 2-4 year old. I've WITNESSED this multiple times personally once a woman walks away/leaves the home. Simultaneously these same XY's see us as not even at human level.... It's to twisted 🤦♀️
Of course women collectively have our issues as well, I definitely don't agree with those.. weird feminists. I did some research on feminists & imagine my surprise when I realize that many have completely perverted what feminism started out as. It originally is a respectable, noble even, belief system. I GUESS I can try & see why some have taken it to the extreme & added beliefs that should not belong... From the trauma & feeling/being repressed....
I still don't think it's right.
I personally can not hold my head high & have restful sleep at night knowing my intentions are backed with ignorance, malice & HATRED causing me to now be in a TOXIC toxic toxic competition with my fellow human being.... For what? Power? Status? Bragging rights 😂❔
Like come ON what the hell are we all trying to accomplish here 💀 all I'm seeing is just chaos & madness 👀🤦♀️😂
This ☝🏻
Oh ABSOLUTELY! And it's frustrating tbh, people never do this to men
Preach, it's such a double standard that nobody seems to care if a male celebrity expresses his opinion, even if it's controversial, but if a woman does it, she's immediately demonised.
They just hate women period.
People think it's so funny that Robert Pattinson doesn't like Twilight or Daniel Craig isn't interested in James Bond. There's very little "ungrateful" discourse around their takes.
The fact that you even said that about the Bond fan base shows that you never engaged with any of them.
Every single fan of James Bond points out how Daniel Craig shits over their favorite IP, and almost every fan of the original vision of Bond dislikes Craig in general, simply because he doesn't play well.
You very clearly cherry pick the few comments that back up your political view and willfully ignore the rest. Dishonest and useless.
Yup. Guys are treated different.
Just want to give credit when credit is due. No one took Robert Pattinson seriously as an actor after twilight… he had to prove himself with various indie films and even when he got the Batman role, no one believed he’d make a good Batman until they saw the movie or trailer.
And to add to what I said, his female costar was getting way more movie lead roles after twilight. But she kinda blew up with that affair scandal but can back around when she said came out as gay.
@@VivalaVeeveeTwilight was a curse and blessing to him.
However anyone feels about these women’s acting skills or personalities, the career sabotage is undeniable. Heigl’s situation in particular still baffles me. She praised Knocked Up so much before making her “ungrateful” comment, a comment she’d made about many female characters earlier in her career. It was so off-hand that, when Heigl saw Rogen at events, she treated him exactly the same. And it was more in defense of Mann’s character than her own, so for Mann to feign ignorance to protect her husband’s fragile ego is pure cowardice. Heigl’s only crime against Shonda Rhimes was sharing an opinion about Grey’s Anatomy almost every fan of the show was already openly in agreement about at the time, so it never made sense to view as controversial or ungrateful - or was the whole fan-base ungrateful? And even when other directors were defending her against “diva behaviour” rumours, their praise was left out in favour of the “loud feminist” narrative they’d assigned her, simply for championing women’s and workers rights. Then she had to apologize? Seems unfair for all the women mentioned here and elsewhere
I watched Knocked Up with my brother and some other guys. And that scene where Rogen’s character is literally treating her children like dogs and Mann’s character says “is he playing fetch with my child?” I was like, yeah. He sucks. But the guys all rolled their eyes at her and called her a nagging bitch.
Wtf?
@tabathaalshalhoub1653 Sadly, guys with power, like Rogen, can say "But it's just a joke" to erase any responsibility of how they choose to represent themselves and others - but if women say "Hmm, that was a bit much" they're ungrateful and humourless aka can't take a joke and deserve to have their careers ruined. Imagine if Mann had been the one to say something - she might not have a husband anymore
She also retracted her name after she had won an award over Chandra Wilson and Sandra Oh. Sandra in particular played Christina outstandingly well and frankly better than Heigl played Izzy. It wouldn't surprise me if Heigl withdrew her name out of respect for her castmates, who realistically we passed over because they weren't white/as conventionally attractive as her.
The number one red flag for me is when individuals or the media start accusing a woman of "fooling" or manipulating the public. It's a nefarious attempt to undermine her credibility across the board, and paints her and other women as calculating and manipulative; who lie just for the hell of it (apparently).
Holy crap, this has changed my opinion of Will Smith so much. Even if they did have bad blood, that did not justify _publicly_ tarnishing her reputation. He did that in the *90's* knowing damn well how hard it was (and still is) for black actresses. Glad he's got his karma cuz this man has obvious issues he's continued to take out on other people.
As for Millie, she was a literal child. The way adults felt comfortable bullying this girl for....acting like a child. It's disgusting. The more time passes, the more I realize that people love babies but really do hate children.
He did apologize to her. Doesn't change what happened, but he did sit down with her during the reunion and actually expressed remorse for how he treated her.
Yes and no. I don't think he should of gone out there and bad mouthed her to the public, I also don't think she should of taken it out on the cast just because she was hormonal and in a DV relationship. Many pregnant women go to work daily, deal with violent partners, multiple stresses in life and don't take it out on co workers.
@@Mia_M Too little, too late. Do you know how much work she missed out on these past few decades? Will ruined career
@@Mia_M True and regarding the Chris Rock thing, she said of Rock "Met him once and that was enough", like she defended Will.
I suppose the fallout from slapping Chris Rock was karma for what he did 30 years earlier to Janet Hubert.
This whole video I thought of America Ferrara’s Barbie monologue and how it talks often about being “grateful.” It probably rang true even more so for all those women on set who had been in Hollywood for so long and knew that’s how it works
Yes! Expected to be grateful for the opportunity to be what everyone wants from you and question every thought in your head and word out of your mouth but still grateful for the ability to say anything at all and then get crucified for it no matter what you say
It's weird too, because at the same time Mattel, well, have sweatshops were they underpay their predominantly female workers, and promote products harmful to the environment etc. yet have this movie. I'm not sure what to think, life is a conundrum.
Or as she says in monologue "if you point something out you are accused of complaining"
the fact that someone like Mark Wahlberg still has a job, but someone like Rachel, Millie and other young women were hunted down, is just so sad, when will women be finally free
Or Mel Gibson.....
What did Mark Wahlberg do?
@@anhu154 what didn’t he do 😒
@@spacebar9733 I don't know what he did or didn't do, that's why I'm asking
@@anhu154 I went down that rabbit hole ...
From Wikipedia:
"Wahlberg was booked to fly on American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11, 2001, but his plans changed the day before and he cancelled his reservation. He received backlash for stating in a 2012 interview, "If I was on that plane with my kids, it wouldn't have went down like it did". He added that "there would have been a lot of blood in that first-class cabin and then me saying, 'OK, we're going to land somewhere safely, don't worry.'" He issued an apology after family members of those killed on the flight expressed outrage"
and
"Walhberg has a history of racially motivated attacks starting from when he was a teenager.[12] In June 1986, a 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends chased after three black children while yelling "Kill the n*****, kill the n*****" and throwing rocks at them.[13] The next day, Wahlberg and the others followed a group of mostly black fourth-graders (including one of the victims from the previous day) taking a field trip on a beach, yelled racial epithets, threw rocks at them, and "summoned other white males who joined" in the harassment.[13][14] In August 1986, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for violating the civil rights of his victims, and Wahlberg and his friends were issued a civil rights injunction which served as a warning that they would be jailed if they committed another hate crime.[15][16][17][18]
Wahlberg perpetrated another racist assault in April 1988. Then 16, he assaulted a middle-aged Vietnamese-American man on the street, calling him a "Vietnam fucking shit" and knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick. Later the same day, Wahlberg attacked Johnny Trinh, another Vietnamese-American, punching him in the eye. When Wahlberg was arrested and returned to the scene of the first assault, he told police officers: "I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open."[19] Later, Wahlberg would explain that he was on PCP at the time.[20] Investigators also noted that Wahlberg "made numerous unsolicited racial statements about 'gooks' and 'slant-eyed gooks'".[21][22] He was initially arrested for attempted murder.[23] Wahlberg was charged with two counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, one count of marijuana possession, and criminal contempt for violating the prior civil rights injunction he received in 1986.[15] He pleaded guilty to felony assault and was sentenced to three months in jail, but served only 45 days of his sentence.[15][21][23] Wahlberg believed he had left the second victim permanently blind in one eye, though Trinh later said that he had lost his eye during the Vietnam War while serving in the South Vietnamese army, which fought alongside American forces.[24][18][21][22]
In August 1992, Wahlberg fractured the jaw of his neighbor Robert Crehan in an attack.[25] Court documents state that in 1992, Wahlberg, "without provocation or cause, viciously and repeatedly kicked" Crehan in the face, while another man, Derek McCall, held the victim on the ground. Wahlberg's attorney claimed that Wahlberg and McCall, who is black, were provoked after McCall was called a racial slur by Crehan.[26] The lawsuit was settled between the two parties, avoiding a criminal trial."
Some extra infos from different sources:
"A year later, the artist known as Marky Mark found himself involved in an admitted brawl, this time with members of Madonna's inner circle. The fight took place at a Los Angeles party, and "The Fighter" actor wound up breaking the nose of an unnamed Maverick Records exec, as Wahlberg recounted to ShortList decades later. There have long been rumors that everything started with Wahlberg making a homophobic comment, though he denied this gay-bashing allegation in a subsequent interview with The Advocate. Wahlberg further claimed that the "Vogue" hitmaker called the police, making efforts to have him blacklisted in Hollywood. But eventually, the whole thing seemed to have just blown over, as he was soon cast in "Renaissance Man."
"While it's unclear whether Mark Wahlberg was actually guilty of making homophobic comments back in 1994, it wasn't the only time the actor was accused of being less than supportive of the LGBTQ+ community. For example, Us Weekly once reported that he was one of several A-list actors to turn down one of the lead roles in "Brokeback Mountain" - the acclaimed 2005 film's central love story was ultimately portrayed, of course, by Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger.
"I met with [director] Ang Lee. ... I read 15 pages of the script and got a little creeped out. It was very graphic, descriptive," Wahlberg explained in an interview back in 2007. "... It's just not my deal." But that's not to say he'll turn down every role he's offered in an LGBTQ+ project. Wahlberg played the conservative father of a bullied gay teen son in 2020's "Good Joe Bell," much to the chagrin of several members of the community, allies, and critics alike.
As the Daily Beast pointed out of Wahlberg's controversial history, "There are still those critics ... who find it obtuse to cast an actor with that past in a movie that memorializes a gay teen's suicide with a message of inclusivity and acceptance." Meanwhile, the New York Post found Wahlberg's casting in what the writer dubbed "Oscar bait" particularly distasteful, hypocritical, and seemingly opportunistic, rhetorically arguing, "Why does the celebrity industrial complex have such a blind spot when it comes to Mark Wahlberg?"
"Unfortunately, the optics surrounding "Good Joe Bell" wouldn't be the first time Mark Wahlberg was accused of taking advantage of a showbiz situation to further his career. A few years prior to this, he was working on "All the Money in the World," a biographical crime drama about the kidnapping of John Paul Getty III. After principal photography was completed, sexual assault allegations against Kevin Spacey (who initially had a starring role in the film) began to circulate, and it was decided that the bulk of the 2017 movie should be re-shot with Christopher Plummer assuming Spacey's old role.
Initially, it was reported that the project's other big stars - Wahlberg and Michelle Williams - had agreed to do the eight-day reshoots for free, as they were seemingly eager to distance themselves and the project from Spacey. But then, USA Today revealed that Wahlberg had quietly accepted a $1.5 million check. In comparison, Williams pocketed under $1,000 for her additional work. Understandably, fans were outraged. Wahlberg, some felt, had allegedly taken advantage of the situation to line his own pockets, without telling Williams or moviegoers the full truth".
"Mark Wahlberg - who's known to have a rather intense diet and exercise routine - has sometimes been accused of helping Hollywood promote unrealistic body standards. Now, to be fair - and as is the case with many actors - his physical composition changes frequently to fit the need of different roles: sometimes, he'll be on the leaner side, and other times, he'll add a ton of muscle to look bulkier.
But in 2018, an imprisoned steroid dealer named Richard Rodriguez named Wahlberg among his alleged celebrity clients, claiming the actor had actually been achieving these drastic results via illegal steroids Rodriguez sold him. However, Wahlberg swiftly claimed this was all a load of hooey. "All natural, baby," he said of his physique to TMZ, before flexing his bicep for the camera. "That's hard work." Wahlberg also slammed the use of steroids, saying, "Why put yourself and your health at risk when you can work hard and be a good example?"
The Drug Enforcement Agency opted not to investigate the allegation, but many folks have pointed out that Marky Mark's level of fitness isn't attainable for most, suggesting that the pressure actors face to look a certain way on the big screen has contributed to a culture of negative body perception among boys and men. While Wahlberg is open about the strict regimen he adheres to, Professor John Brewer told BBC News that it was "the high end of extreme," claiming it wouldn't be sustainable in the long-term or even necessary in terms of maintaining health and wellness".
Source (I cut that, because yt don't like links): https: //www. nickiswift. com/1221294/ why-so-many-people-dislike-mark-wahlberg/
Janet Hubert really went through it! she was born to play Aunt Viv and they replaced her for a light skin woman who lacked the charisma Janet had as Aunt Viv
Lets maybe not defend a woman by taking down another. It is most definitely not Daphne's fault.
She was unfit unlike Hubert. If you are going to replace her. Try to be close.
As I was watching Wednesday, the love triangle made absolutely no sense to me. In fact, one of the love interests seemed a little too obsesive and i felt akward that it was portrayed in such a normalized way. Imagine my surprise when i found out Jenna was being criticized for speaking out about this! I found myself wishing the series was more and more about Wednesday herself and not about... love?
1000%. allow women to have stories without any romance in them at all! the show did not need any of that love triangle nonsense.
I LOVE romance in my tv shows and I personally was not super interested in Wednesday, and even when I found out there was love interests I'm like uhhh.... why though
I love romance like the other person and usually I won’t watch a show if there’s no romance but I LOVE the Addams family so I was excited to watch Wednesday but I’m really upset with how it’s about romance and not about her. It could’ve been so cool, the Buffy of our generation but no :(
throwback to when people criticized rachel zegler for ...... costarring in a movie with ansel elgort that was filmed before allegations were made against him
Or starring in a movie with Zachary Levi after it came out that he’s an antivaxxer. How would girliepop even KNOW that??
@@erikdaniels0n She's also not the one casting these projects!
lol you said it. The keyword is BEFORE.
that was the around time where I actually found out about rachel zegler, except it was after the allegations came out. God I remember there was a sudden flood of rachel-hate videos flooding my fyp on tiktok with people criticising her decision to work with elgort. I was like "Huh? how is that her fault" because like that was her first ever role too. it would be a whole different story if she was already a successful actress. I literally remember going onto a deep dive to find a concrete reason for her hate and literally found zero good reasons. Instead, it just made me into a fan of her omg I love her personality!!
and she was a minor during filming! for a movie she had to do intimate scenes with him in! it’s kind of insidious that people seriously wanted to persecute her for this, with zero thought or consideration to how that must feel like for her.
Gosh thank you for shied it light on Janet Hubert unfortunate situation I always loved will smith but damn what he did to her was just horrible and unfair I’m glad Janet pointed the specific colorism that was attached to her blackbailing bc as you said the 90s black sitcom era was full of light skin woman who were also majority of mixed race.
I think you meant *for shedding light on Janet Hubert's unfortunate situation.
@@MicaylaRae22yes bad typo thank you for the correction lol
Rachel Zegler & Millie Bobby Brown’s hate campaigns have been the most vicious. You can’t go anywhere without seeing random people and even kids screaming about hating them because they blinked a certain way.
Like this is the only safe place where she doesn’t have hate comments like any video with Rachel they’ll spam hate comments like that hate Train is getting old we get it they wanted to be part of a trend but it’s getting way to fsr
They're just the most recent, it was the same for the others at the time
the world will always be more scrutinizing towards women. that will never change, i personally don't like brown leh zegler that much but i don't really care. im starting to think that most haters are women themselves that's why the guys can get away with it.
Please. Ppl don't hate them because they "blinked" wrong; they behaved horribly and are entitled but not good enough of actresses to even pretend they aren't. Ppl are sick of self proclaimed victims. They earned their reputations.
even on reddit the subreddits will bring her up and drag rachel randomly. she has a big hate train, i feel sorry for how her future movies will do.
I'm getting to a point in life that whenever I read about an actress being "difficult", I root FIERCELY for their success because 98% of the time the reasons why they're being deemed "difficult" are bullshit to begin with. Reading an interview with Sean Young and finding out why people deemed her "difficult" to work with in Blade Runner just opened my eyes so much I just can't take this label seriously anymore. They're not difficult, they're simply not ass kissers 100% of the time.
I am a fan of Brie Larson and you can guess what stuff I had to deal with, deliberately or not. You cannot ignore it all. When I told a friend of mine that I became a fan of Brie Larson, he repeated to me the rumour that Brie Larson was difficult to work with. This hasn't been confirmed and what does it even mean to be "difficult"? It can range from not agreeing with any decision to boycotting someone. I don't know Rachel Ziegler but I watched some video about her and I found her lovely although the video tried to paint her in a bad corner. It's always easier to believe that any celebrity is misbehaving than trying to see the big picture. From the horrible treatment of Brie Larson I have learned to not prejudge a celeb I don't know much if anything about.
I cannot believe a few months after people were hating on Racher Zelger for one bad PR interview, people were going "YAS KING" at Hugh Grant openly hating playing his role in wonka and saying he did it for a paycheck.
I lose respect for actors who claim this. My respect for Jamie Dornan has been gone since he took the role of Christian Gray claiming he needed to support his kids…by taking the role of a romanticized abuser.
She doesn’t have the seniority Hugh Grant has and being an Oompa Loompa is just embarrassing to play when you’re of normal stature!
@@NoelleTakestheSkyWhy? Most of us average people clock in to jobs we hate solely for the money. Actors are doing a job for the money. Some actor will always take a bad role for the money. You are being unfair.
@K.C-2049 A job is a job is what they mean. Most artists don't make a lot ex. actors, singers, writers etc usually aren't paid well, except for a few
@K.C-2049 the vast majority of actors, even some of the more popular ones, are not making millions per role. The SAG strike happened because of unfair wages. Even Sydney Sweeney, one of the most popular new actresses out, said that she couldn’t afford to turn down a project and that she wasn’t earning as much money as people thought she was. There are doctors, lawyers, and other white collar workers who earn more money a year than most actors. Regardless, at the end of the day acting is still a job and if someone can do their job well, I don’t see anything wrong in them complaining about it or asking for higher pay.
I wasn’t the only one who was mad when Janet Hubert was replaced right? 😭😭
Nope. Most fans, like myself, consider Janet Hubert as THE Aunt Viv.
Nope, Daphne Maxwell Reid was alright as the replacement, but Janet will always be the definitive Aunt Viv.
I wasn't mad. Just shocked. Unpopular opinion she probably was really difficult because she was pregnant. Think the show did her a disservice by not being more understanding.
Janet Hubert was amazing. Daphne would have been fine if she’d been cast first, but unfortunately for her, Janet was cast first and laid the foundation for this kick-ass character, and that just wasn’t Daphne’s vibe.
she was the better one, they switched her out and i would forget the new aunt viv was even there. total 180 of her character
The double standard is also crazy. Jacob Elordi said basically the same thing if not worse about the Kissing Booth films that Rachel Zegler said about Snow White, but got basically none of the same backlash. And unpopular opinion, but I think Rachel had a point. Of course a film made in 1937 is going to feature some outdated ideas about women and femininity and can and should be updated if we are making a modern adaptation today. And also, yes, acting is a job that should be paid a fair wage just like anything else. (side note: Rachel Zegler absolutely ate as Lucy Gray Baird)
I think that's because snow white is a beloved character and kissing booth is kissing booth
@@kaveen5931 Yeah - I think a lot of the backlash came from people who love disney and for whom the idea of someone playing a disney princess and not being ride or die about her is shocking, while Kissing Booth doesn't have the same fandom or hype.
@@kaveen5931 Regardless, The Kissing Booth was the first big project Jacob Elordi worked on, and you don't see him getting lambasted on the internet for saying he doesn't like those movies and being "ungrateful" like Rachel was for her Snow White takes.
Agreed, the Double Standards are ridiculously insane. If a man implies that they didn't enjoy working on a certain project, then nobody bats an eyelid. But if a woman implies the same thing, then she's being ungrateful and demanding.
But everyone knows that the KB is stupid movie. He is taking on his own job at the end of the day. Reachel is taking on others people job. That was made a haundred years ego and also become an empire of animation and a world wilde brand. She really was so mean and smug with no reason. Thats shitting on other peoples legacy. When she only have a few roles in hollywood. And the only succes movie was the hunger games precuel. And wasnt even as good as the original movie.
Imagine being that smooth-brained you call a child immature 💀
I really sympathize with these actresses! I’m autistic and people VERY OFTEN misinterpret me as being disrespectful or aggressive because I’m very blunt and awkward (aka autistic!) and it’s one of the worst feelings when people so drastically misunderstand you! I can’t imagine how awful it would feel x10000
omg i love my autistic friends! i love how honest and blunt you are and how there’s no manipulation or passive aggressive bullshit to filter through ❤
Well there’s a difference between being seen as being disrespectful or aggressive bc you don’t understand what you’re doing and being seen that way bc you understand but just don’t care…
@@swish3432 Your statement is correct but who gets to decide what someone else is feeling and thinking? Even when I insist I don’t understand people still perceive me as trying to start problem, because they just decide I was feeling and thinking a certain way, even when I wasn’t
@@suoutubez19 thank you for taking a moment to spread kindness
Actresses whole jobs are to be charming and likeable though.
For Millie Bobby Brown I think its pretty obvious that fans were upset about her being extremely different from Eleven, something that makes her acting even more impressive given how young she was when she started playing the character
For Jenna, people forget that a lot of Tim Burton's more recent projects have had lazy writing and been style over substance. I get why the writers werent super happy about her questioning their ideas but given how big of a character any of the Adams is, a second opinion was sorely needed
As for Rachel, people HATE (and they dont even hide) that all of her projects are MASSIVE projects. Musicals, Disney, DC, Hunger Games; they hate that she hit the ground running and then blame lazily directed movies (Shazam...) On her when she is just doing what the directors say. No one loves Snow White as a character even if the movie has historical value, no actress will be able to make Disney's lack of originality work enough.
Also the reason no one hated Pattison for hating Twilight, is that it is to this day, fun to hate on Twilight. The fact its marketed towards teen girls is also a factor.
Eleven should have been played by an autistic actor!
Another reason I've heard that Rachel is getting so much hate is because corporations are faceless, so people need a face to hate on. And Rachel the face to hate on.
I don't like Rachel Zegler because she uses her race as a catch all for the criticism she gets for her roles. She accepted the role of Snow White then turned around and insulted the original movie, her other actors and the morals that the original fairytale as well as the Disney movie teach to young girls. I get that acting is just a job and she's just one cog in the machine but I don't think that exempts her from criticism.
i agree, i dont see why people defend Snow White as if her story is flawless, mind-blowing, touching, important, deep, complex or thought-provoking. i genuinely dont see what's so amazing about Snow White to make people so defensive and even enraged! you can stay true to the story for the sake of historical accuracy, sure, but is the original story even worth it?? also, bad remakes of original stories is not a new concept in the business. people hate on shitty stories all the time, what does Rachel have to do with it? she just says what the story is going to be about, and she just happens to agree with the changes, maybe that's why agreed to the role despite hating the original story, i feel like that makes sense? she doesnt call the shots on the script, unlike Jenna Ortega, who is, by the way, HATED for staying true to the original character! i mean, there is literally no way to satisfy people. everyone is ungrateful apparently.
Snow White has been my favorite princess since I was a little girl, and I love Rachel as the new Snow White. Have you heard that girl sing? She is Snow White!
I feel bad for all these women, but especially Janet Hubert and Constance Wu, considering Constance is an Asian woman and people expect her to be all the East Asian girl stereotype:cute, shy and weak, so when she actually states her opinion, people(mostly racist people) have a problem with that. And Janet Hubert can’t express her feelings without people shutting her down because black women don’t have feelings, why should we believe her when she states she’s in pain/is struggling? Nope, they just want to label her as the difficult black lady and want her to suck it up😒
Yes. Both these hit especially hard.
People need to get with the times.
Literally felt so bad for her smh
Yea its sad
I never realized the big double standards of Rachel zegler until you pointed out Jacob elordi it’s honestly weird that he can say he only known Elvis through a Disney cartoon and got so much praises for it, bc I know of a actress said she only known a worldwide iconic female music artist through a cartoon she would ripped to shred like Rachel got so much undeserved hate for literally talking about a cartoon character chileee that’s bizarre
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Not to mention Elvis was a real person and Snow White isn’t lol
They both suck. Doesn’t mean she’s not deserving of criticism. Her attitude is gross
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I loathe Rachel Zegler’s comments on Snow White being a sexist, controversial film, but I will give her this: it’s not entirely her fault that she interprets the 1937 film as she does. For more than a decade, the media and internet users have relished in deconstructing Disney films with cynical, shallow takes, and they have had a massive influence in the movie industry. Even Disney bought into the trend of mocking its past films with works like Enchanted, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and pretty much every original animated film and remake, by rewriting characters into girl-bosses and ridiculing old Disney tropes. Rachel’s Zegler’s take on Snow White comes from someone who grew up in a time when outlets like Buzzfeed thrived with dumb articles about how anti-feminist the Disney princesses were, yadah yadah. Even though I disagree with Rachel’s views on Snow White, it’s weird how the media hates her for saying things they agreed with not so long ago.
I think now that Barbie feminism is popular, those who still believe in 2014 buzzfeed feminism are seen as “behind the curve”. Which is ridiculous to treat feminist theories as fast fashion trends
Kristen Stewart would have lost her career if she said any of the things Robert Pattinson said.
She also went through a period where audiences hatred her because they found her too mean or boring. I remember when there were memes about her never smiling. There was an even a joke on Glee where a character says her parents think she seems like a total bitch.
This happened to Monique - she was outspoken about the income discrepancies between male and female actors and ended up getting blackballed in Hollywood for not wanting to do press because she was unhappy with the amount of money she was making
I also think about the hate Brie Larson got when she was cast as Captain Marvel. One reason might have been that it was the first female led Marvel Movie but she was also branded as being unlikeable when she was just having a different sense of humor and stood up for herself.
It all started with a speech she gave regarding the A Wrinkle In Time remake. She stated (with real statistics) that movies featuring &/or made by women &/or POC will less likely be reviewed by critics that are women &/or POC, & that the majority of critics in the industry are white men. In the nutshell, she wanted to "add more seats to the table." This, unfortunately, led to a hate campaign so massive you can’t even look at any media (movies, TV, video games, etc.) without anyone bitterly mentioning Brie Larson or Captain Marvel. Even now, people are praising films like Godzilla Minus One or Wonka just for doing better than The Marvels- despite that they have nothing in common with each other. It’s hard to even say one positive thing about her without somebody shaming you for it.
@@CosmicAmazonthe Marvels was literally set up to fail, and the strikes meaning the couldn’t do promo was the nail in the coffin
@@erikdaniels0n Exactly, which gives the Internet the excuse to relentlessly criticize it just like they still are with the first film. I wouldn’t be surprised if this actually lasts up to a decade.
Being an openly sexist racist tends to have that effect. ☕🐸
@@erikdaniels0n I know and everyone was calling it a flop before it even came out. It was a self fulfilling prophecy. The only reason I didn't see it was because I only have so much theater money and I was more inclined to see Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, but I'm sure it can't possibly be that bad. Wish too. Early test screens were positive but right now people want to hate Disney so it's "the worst Disney Princess movie ever." I have a feeling it's probably just a normal kids movie. According to brother who saw it he liked it and thought it was fun.
Every year society picks a random woman out of a hat to start throwing stones at. I hate it
They're society's witches
Yup. Can't stand it.
it's been a while since I saw a woman get the amount of hate Rachel Zegler is getting. A week ago, I went to see The ballad of birds and snakes with my sister and she told me almost everyone labeled as the worst part of the movie, that she looked unlikeable, her acting wasn't "Lucy Gray enough" and she didn't had any chemistry with the male lead. it was a bunch of lies. she was the best part of that movie, her character was amazing every step and she has the voice of an angel.
I told my sister that it has to be a hate campaign, 'cause there's no way she gets so criticized.
It was good to form an opinion on her without all the tabloids tearing her down, she's amazing.
it started when a bunch of racists harassed her for playing snow white and rumors about her snowballed into the media
i also went to see the movie with my sister and we had some kids being super obnoxious in the back row. from what they were saying, the hate campaign has spread very far. i agree that she gave a perfectly lovely performance...but we seem to be in the minority here!
"She was the best part of that movie". That is your opinion. But somehow you disregard and invalidate other people"s opinions while thinking only your opinion counts.
That’s wild. If anything, Rachel Ziegler’s natural unfiltered theater kid energy was perfect for Lucy Gray. People are just finding reasons to hate
This is SUCH an important conversation to have. I'd like to add Miley Cyrus to this list because of the backlash she got for expressing she has moved on from being Hannah Montana.
Not just Montana. Her whole 2013 rebellious era. Men are praised for the same kind of behavior.
Honestly no one attacks Harrison Ford for dragging the Star wars franchise by telling him he should be grateful that it gave him a career but when it comes to Rachel Zegler, they love to act like she committed an arson and robbery. 😒
EDIT: as someone who has been in the stranger things fandom since middle school you aren’t wrong about Millie Bobby brown treated as the worst in the stranger things fandom because she deserved better. With the way she was the victim of horrible rumors of being homophobic, I thought that wasn’t funny and I’m saying this as a straight person who supports the LGBT community. The joke wasn’t funny back then, it isn’t funny now.
There’s also many male actors with personalities similar to Rachel and if they were women oh the public would hate them so much it’s so sad 😞
Harrison Ford has been great. Your example might have made more sense had you said William Shatner. That guy owes everything in his life to star trek and he obviously has disdain for it. Whereas Harrison Ford was successful in the business before star wars. And continued to be after it.
@@grimnar6725 now that you brought it up, I have heard convention horror stories on how William Shatner is at meet and greets.
@@izzyc127 he's a total dick lol. And a great rebuttal to the idea that it's just actresses who are branded ungrateful. Alot of people dislike him for his ungrateful attitude. He's just a much bigger part of a pop culture phenomenon that kept him employed than say, Katherine Heigl was.
Harrison Ford is a respected actor that has been in the industry for decades. Rachel is a nobody with a nasty attitude
Imagine criticizing a 12 year old for acting like a child.
Generally, I'm noticing that the public doesn't seem to think that female actresses are capable of, you know, acting (which includes knowing your character and how they might act) or when writing decisions don't make sense.
Also, with Constance Wu: people complain about hating their jobs all the time. Constance Wu was doing the same, but for some reason, she isn't allowed to do that or not want to return to a place of danger (sexual harassment) to her.
It's really unfair to Constance that's she had to work in a unsafe work environment and got flack for wanting to be done with the show. 6 seasons is enough..
I worry for Millie. She was exploited by a much older man who she was dating while still a minor.
I do take issue with the new "Snow White" movie, but I honestly have most of the same issues with the other remakes Disney has done. All I want is another good Disney movie that has a heavy focus on romance (Pixar doesn't count). I feel like the recent Disney movies have been taking female characters and saying that they cant have any romance because they're women and HAVE TO be strong and independent and an amazing leader and never feel an ounce of romance. In my opinion, that's putting women in the same place the media is supposedly trying to avoid.
I also wish that instead of making terrible remakes of their classic movies, they could take the same budget and actors and make good original films.
I think another actress is Anne Hathaway. She's beloved again right now, however, she had a moment where she was disliked for the 3 Un's that you mentioned.
It didn't help that she was being compared up the wazoo to the It Girl of the time Jennifer Lawrence. People saw the latter as a "cool girl" while Anne was absolutely not one (nor should she be she owes the public nothing except maybe common decency). IMO Jennifer Lawrence was not "down to earth" or "relatable" or "cool" or any of that she was just following an act that made most people (myself not included) like her. All it did was put the public against women who weren't effortlessly cool and detached.
It's actually insane how much hate Rachel has gotten. After her recent performance in Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, I do think public opinion has shifted a bit more in her favor, but the amount of times I've seen people unable to praise her for that without bringing up how much they dislike her is ridiculous. Videos and posts from that movie or interviews are constantly filled with comments to the effect of: "I REALLY don't like Rachel for what she said about Snow White, but I have to admit she was pretty good here", or "I hate her but she has a nice voice". It's ridiculous and I honestly hope her roles in the future continue to prove how truly talented she is
oh I am SO GLAD for The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes because before that movie, I swear it was literally so hard to find just interviews of her on UA-cam because the moment you search her name up, it is flooded with hate videos people made of her with the edited exaggerated thumbnails calling her cringe, toxic along with misleading video titles. you literally have to scroll pass like eight videos to actually find one video of her doing a promo interview (I literally have screenshots of this). thank God now they have reduced after the release of TBOSAS.
I wish UA-cam will do something about these hate campaigns because time and time again there will be a hate campaign against a woman these drama channels will always pick it up and put some sort of exaggerated edited thumbnail about the woman and it will end up on people's suggested videos and just add fuel to the fire for the clicks.
Most of the people that hate hwr are grow ass men, she’s just enemy of the week, they don’t care, they will bully her and make stupid videos about her failing until they find a new woman to hate
I totally agree. She has a beautiful voice but what she was saying and her publicly bashing the character she was playing was in bad taste. I loved her on West Side Story and I'm not a great Hunger Games fan so I don't know if I'll watch it
Hm, I loved her in Songbirds and Snakes, but as a German I felt her interview about Schneewitchen was offending to a lot of us, because Snow White is deeply rooted in our culture and it felt like she has zero respect for it. I would never say that I hate her, but what she said definitly made her no friends here. I hope she doesn‘t trash it again in future interviews. If she hates this fairytale so much, why star in it? Btw I also thought it was very sad that they didn‘t include some German elements. I thought Disney strived to be more culturally diverse…
Only in The Hunger Games she fits cause she’s not a princess but a femme fatale type! She should be going for those roles instead of princesses!
All actors and actresses put in so much effort to provide us with a good movie or TV show and they deserve all the recognition. But a lot of people like to throw shade and antagonize many of them for their own enjoyment.
If men do it, they are consider cool and so many people will came to defend them (Jacob Elordi is a recent example), if women do it, she will get attack and harass, saying she's being unprofessional.
Not exactly, there are guys getting harassed and attack in some cases too.. Hell you even have a lot of them getting memed on because of some of the stuff they say in interviews and on social media. My point is that it isn't seen as big D energy when a guy does it, you're getting looks left and right just as a girl would.
Different era same crap.
The fact that, even in a video essay discussing how certain actresses get branded with the 3 “uns” (unprofessional, ungrateful and unlikeable) for the most arbitrary, disgusting and malicious of reasons, has comments doing literally the same, is dishearteningly ironic.
Preach.
I’m glad you brought up Robert Pattinson. He’s seemingly getting away with all the sins these women are accused of committing. Actually, he’s celebrated for it.
Simply a straight up lie. Pattinson is calling a shit a shit, people agree. When Daniel Craig shows little to no interest in James Bond (or literally says "I would rather smash my fist through a window than play Bond again", the fans got mad and called him out for it.
Do you want a recent example of an actress that did the same as Pattinson, and the fans once again agree? Dakota Johnson openly states her distain and critisicm for her newest movie "Madam Web", and everyone loves her. Funny enough, the only entity that has a problem with her, is the very studio that made the movie.
Maybe take your head out of your ass and actually look at what the general person says, instead of picking out those few nice ones that align with your social/political beliefs, you might learn something new for once.
@@casperryborg4869 I wish you give these energy to men who do worse but no. When will we start burning men like what they doing for women?? I wish witch hunt return and do it to men.
Heigl's critics to Knocked Up it's nothing compared to the analysis of female characters in media now days. Seriously, I don't understand men who say women are exaggerated and then do things like this.
Men celebrities sleep with children and marry them. Not listening to them.
the majority of those harassing Rachel Zegler for her comments about Snow White are misogynistic men who have never willingly watched a Disney princess movie a day in their lives. They just made it their personal vendetta to be mad at "woke" Disney, we saw the same thing with The Little Mermaid.
The number of grown adults over 25 coming out as die hard purist fans of a 1937 Disney Princess movie the moment a young Latina actress has said that some aspects of it are outdated, is… fascinating.
@@quietraindrop6870she is NOT latina.
@@cristalblackstar8177girl what…? 💀
@@cristalblackstar8177she’s mixed/biracial. She’s part Latina, part European
Plus, apparently certain Star Wars fans have it out for her.
also Hollywood tends to oversaturate the market with certain actors and then everyone gets tired of them more quickly. Usually this annoyance is directed at women actors like Jenna Ortega, Jennifer Laurence, MBB, etc. The only man that suffers from this is Chris Pratt but it could also be bc his acting is mid at best.
Even with Chris Pratt though a lot of the backlash was towards his speculated political views. Towards the actresses it was just because people got bored of them or whatever.
Chris Pratt’s acting is fine-he takes roles where all that’s required is having fun. But he’s a shitty, awful person with very bigoted views.
Chris Pratt is a little weird.
@@spacebar9733"a little" 😭 understatement of the year
@@spacebar9733 I like him as Starlord, however when I was talking about him with my mum, she said he gave her "zealot vibes". Which I didn't understand. I've heard a little bit about the drama between him and his ex-wife, but if anyone could tell me what could have been what my mom meant by "zealot vibes", I'd appreciate that.
it is actually terrifying to see how easy it is to put down women who decide to be themselves and express opinions
Watching people suddenly pretend they give a flaying f-k about Snow White has been pretty entertaining. As if Rachel said anything wrong and deserves to lose her career if this ridiculous “drama”.
To be fair, I think a lot of this current drama about Snow White is not because of her interview, but also the mess behind the scenes with this „we cancel the dwarfes“ and now „we animate the dwarfes so the movie will be delayed by a full year“. It‘s safe to say she is not the culprit and doesn‘t derserve this even if this interview was a bit odd 😅
Exactly, since when did people get defensive over Snow White?? The fullblown overeaction shows just how much internet trolls need to get a life and do something that actually nourishes them instead. But the first priority is to leave her alone, she doesn't deserve the bs
Some of the loudest voices are middle aged men and it’s like be serious, none of you even cared about Snow White in the first place 😂
@@user-xh6jk4mi8u 😭
Did ppl on internet also called out the weirdness of SW for the past few years and everyone was agreed?
I truly have no idea why there's so much vitriol thrown at Rachel Zegler. It's so bonkers and it's undeserved.
You really don’t know? Lmao
She deserves the backlash
Statements impugning the contributions of another actor in the movie, admitting to signing on for a role of a character she actively hates (“but what about Robert Pattinson”…well, unlike Rachel, who had decades of stuff to go on, Pattinson signed on to Twilight when there was comparatively little to go on and his big anti-stance came after Meyer started creeping on him), showing her incredibly lack of understanding the story like claiming the prince is a stalker and that Snow White, whose motivation is to one day find love, is outdated (wanting love is a universal human experience and will NEV ER be outdated), expecting to be paid for every moment that pictures of her in “an iconic princess dress” exist online since she thinks she’s entitled, bitching about not getting invited to the Oscars during a covid year when many A-listers involved in nominated movies weren’t even invited until they finally invited her to present, which forced production to halt for a week, to get her to shut up about it, etc…just to start…is all undeserved?
@@NoelleTakestheSkygirl go find a hobby… sad 😂
You deserve another working brain, the video literally explains how ridiculous and obsessive you guys sound. @@esunadeluna
I just find it insane how the internet spent an entire decade roasting and making fun of the Snow White movie for being unprogressive and problematic, but now that Rachel points it out, suddenly everyone loves the original movie's story and is offended on its behalf? Also, if they're upset that Disney changed the story, why are they trying to cancel Rachel for it? She didn't write the movie. She just said that this is how the new movie will go.
Adults suck.
Imo I did not like the fact she was so sexist towards her costar playing the prince calling him a stalker . When in the story the seven men are the ones who take him to find her . Ask him to kiss her in order to save her. Yea it's weird however if they would have made a movie about snow white and then just wrote her part out of the movie something tells me she would be the first to call them out for sexism .
You can NEVER beat the original Aunt Viv! Thank you for telling this story.
Jenna is just passionate about perfecting her craft. She knows what kind of characters she wants to play and how she wants to portray the characters.
People tend to forget that actors are also humans, and they are not their characters. They are allowed to have opinions of their own even if we don't like those opinions. It's their right. Interestingly enough, male actors are never called "ungrateful" or "difficult" whatever they do. I wonder why... Probably because men are allowed much much more to do and say than women, who are expected to be silent, submissive and eternally grateful for everything.
A person shouldn't be cancelled for speaking poorly of their experiences onset, if it was in a joking manner. People should be judged on their performance.
Exactly. Women get cancelled for far less than men.
Well done! You put a lot of work into this video to tell an important story. Bias and hate always go hand in hand, because when people learn to like and accept themselves, they learn tollerance and acceptance of everyone else.
Like alot of these women, Rachel is just more straightforward and has dry humor and that is completely fine. I don't necessarily think her comment on snow white is entirely true especially since snow white has a quiet resiliency about her but she is correct that it is outdated and she just seems excited to bring more to the character for a new generation! Also she does look like snow white when she cuts her hair short and they both have brown eyes. It is better to have an actress who can conceivably look like a princess (because she is very beautiful) maybe not exactly but is dependable enough to know how act and sing compared to someone who looks exactly like snow white and not have any of those things.
Its also just disney's fault like you said that have surface level feminism reboots to make a quick crash grab instead of developing actual fledged out women's stories.
Rachel not only looks like Snow White with her hair cut but she has a beautiful voice I thinks that’s probably why she was also casted.
Rachel Zegler is what happens when you give a random person on Stan Twitter an acting career
@@erikdaniels0n that’s my girl 😆
@@erikdaniels0n have you seen any of her films😭
@@erikdaniels0nit's funny because seeing her belt her lungs out on west side story and hunger games people would think at least even to her haters that she's a star but people like you are definitely insecure you're on your phone all day hating on someone that can never be you... a successful hollywood star. Eat a bagel and loosen up. You're regular. She's deluxe.
i like when u gave examples of male actors exhibiting the same "problematic behaviours" and being unscathed, it really cemented your points about the inequalities in the industry
People hate kids for being a kids. It's not only about Millie Bobby Brown, but about kinds and teens. Adults did forget they were kids as well. Kids don't have to behave like an old british gentleman in coma.
I have the hardest time with Janet Hubert's Aunt Viv treatment. I have a hard time believing that colorism didn't play a role in her mistreatment. It doesn't help that Daphne Maxwell Reid aka Aunt Viv #2 is much lighter skinned than Janet Hubert. Hollywood has a history of replacing/dark skin female actresses. I would sit and name examples but I have all ready on other forms of media. Anyways great video.
imagine being a young mcdonald’s fry cook with aspirations to become a pro chef, and then when you express your desire to work somewhere more prestigious ppl are like “but you owe your successes to ronald mcdonald. so ungrateful 🙄”
15:53 I think you’ve kind of walked past the point here.
While I definitely agree that Heigl was unfairly criticised for not even really that bad opinions, ultimately, she worked in a small tight community of people with fragile egos. If you look at the male actors, who are equally outspoken, you’ll notice that they aren’t outspoken on the same topics. Even male actors know you can’t really openly criticise the professional work of your colleagues until years after you have stopped working with them.
She did a joint interview with Ellen Pompeo, where Ellen basically admitted that Heigl was completely right about the toxic work environment on Grey’s Anatomy, but she basically said what everyone else should know which is she couldn’t (or she felt she couldn’t) say that publicly because she felt it with hurt her career, and looking at Heigl she was right. You’ll also notice that none of the mail actors who have since spoken out about the toxic environment didn’t speak about it at the time either.
hugh grant is at this very moment doing a press tour for a movie that he openly loathes, what now?
@@ModernGurlzHuge Grant also had a massive lull in the amount of work he was getting due to his behaviour in the past. Who’s to say his behaviour during the press tour of Wonka (which I did not know about until right now to be honest) won’t have the same effect?
Plenty of male actors have blown up their careers by talking about their colleagues poorly, Chevy Chase being the biggest example I can think of.
You use Robert Pattinson as an example of an actor disrespecting his film while on the press tour and not having any backlash, which is true. However the whole cast (with the notable exception of Michael Sheen in the later films) was making fun of the film publicly, including Hardwick the director if you listen to the DVD commentary on the first film. Hardwick, Stewart and Pattinson - all of them.
I liked the video but I just don’t agree with that particular angle. Sorry 🤷🏾♀️
Smart comment
you can NEVER make me hate miss jenna ortega sorry.
If a teenage girl was telling me my writing needed work I would fucking listen. The egos of these producers are ridiculous like they can never do no wrong and any actors that disagree are just problematic
Maligned women is my favourite genre of content!!! Give them their flowers!! They knew they deserved better than what they were getting, and were punished for asking for it 😢
these video essays are so so so important! I hope this spreads to a lot of people.
I feel like Disney should have offered Rachel Zegler more media training. As mentioned in the video, Disney’s monetization of girlboss culture has been going on for YEARS yet none of the other actresses got this much backlash (you could say The Little Mermaid got a ton of backlash but that was due to “race-swapping” and not the actress’s comments). All the princesses were asked the same questions about how their remake differs from the source material and they all gave girlboss answers but still showed so much respect and love for the original. There is a compilation video showing all of them talking about this in contrast to Rachel.
She loved Snow White since she was a kid thou. She just mentions that she's scared of some of the scenes and y'all blow it into her hating it? 🥴
Most of it is just common sense.
@@Arguing.With.Idiots. again, I think it’s with the delivery. That’s why I said she should’ve gotten more media training. She was more or less saying the same things as the other actresses but her delivery could’ve been better. She also “joked” about cutting out scenes of the male lead which regardless of intent, was disrespectful to her co-star. It’s all in the delivery.
@@ts-po6kvyeah but she shouldn't say that thing even if the company forced her to do it
@@cyrilmarasigan7108 Disney wants them to support the empowered female messaging. Obviously no one told Rachel to admit she found the original movie “scary” or to say the Prince was a “stalker.” Again it’s her delivery, not the overall message that she’s getting so much backlash about. At this point, we already expect Disney to girlboss all their remakes, the least she can do is be mindful of her delivery and be respectful, like the other actresses who took on princess remakes before her.
I constantly get called a 'female dog' for standing up for myself, 'argumentative' when I debate illogical things, and 'demanding' when I refuse to take on work that is being handed to me so others can slack off. I deeply appreciate every word you put into videos like these, since if it was a male doing these things, they'd be called much more positive adjectives.
I was also labeled “argumentative” as a child because I questioned things. I questioned religion and patriarchy and gender roles and politics in my small, rural town and I was seen as “just wanting to start trouble”
Even when I went to college, and asked for clarification on things (like someone’s stances on abortion or the death penalty, for example), the first thing was a sigh and “why are you so argumentative?”
Like, bro. You can’t even defend your views from just a mild pushback. And I’m the one in the wrong?
@@tabathaalshalhoub1653 I'm glad we can both agree that it's better to question things than to just do what they want.
Tmi but I was that kid who told people in school to not use the word b*tch or f*ck to address someone or use as an adjective unless they mean to be spiteful. Some listened, some didn't, and the latter either I avoided or they avoided me. It worked for me tbh.
victim mentality and these kind of victim's dedication of not seeing anyone else is commendable
24:06 I am glad that Delivigne's co-star and John Green defended her.
After your hunger games video, I was surprised when you said “it’s popular to not love her” so I checked why Rachel Zegler touched a string with people. I was baffled by the public harassment over 3 comments she made (and rightfully too) while men like Robert Pattinson and recently Jacob Elordi have publicly shamed the most successful franchise they have made without remorse.
People call them right and funny when they are men but when they are women they are opiniated and difficult. Screaming double standards.
And people applaud them, too. That's why I didn't understand why Rachel got the hate she got. Even the actor that played Stannis Baratheon on Game of Thrones said he didn't understand why people like that show, and fans thought it was funny he "was playing himself" 🤷♀️
Here’s the difference:
Rachel stepped into a pre-existing franchise. She had every opportunity to look into the story and such. She didn’t. Then, afters signing on, she did, and decided she didn’t like it and shit all over it. She didn’t do her homework.
Robert Pattinson had a couple books that, while they were best-sellers, were all he had to go on. He signed on BEFORE Stephenie Meyer made it so known how much she was wet-dreaming about this ostensible teenager, and the worst of the books weren’t available yet.
What Pattinson had to research was minimal in comparison to what Rachel had. Rachel had DECADES of pre-established media and lore to research. She had EVERY FUCKING THING, and she CHOSE to NOT research. Pattinson ended up making Twilight. Rachel didn’t. He had relatively little to go on. Rachel had so goddamned much that it’s enviable. If someone were to step into a Twilight project today, then shit on it later, they’d deserve to be roasted because of what they now have to go on. That didn’t exist for Pattinson. It did for Rachel. She saw dollar signs and didn’t care to do her homework.
@@NoelleTakestheSkythat's not how any of these works
I'm starting to realise that being a performer means doing things that feel disingenuous to you as a person, and you are bound to feel completely depersonalised at times. I've experienced it while modelling, or working in retail, or doing acting auditions. You're like, who the hell am I? I sound like an idiot. I'm sure those feelings would be greatly magnified if you got famous for doing something you weren't even proud of, and you were hyper aware that people were always going to remember you as, for instance, Hannah Montana, instead of Miley Cyrus. It takes a lot of shenanigans to make Miley the more memorable character. I think that's what these actresses were trying to voice; the fear they had. And it's valid.
It's wild that people criticize actors/celebrities for not speaking up about uncomfortable work environments, for not using their influence to spur change, then turn around and call women ungrateful when they do say something.
And as a woman who has zero public presence, something similar (though on a smaller scale) happens to us all the time. Me: That situation felt off. I think we can do better next time. A man (sometimes also woman): No, you just misinterpreted your experience. It's fine.
That's gaslighting.
I find it extra wild that Rachel Zegler is getting so much backlash because her whole brand has basically been "Hollywood newcomer who's so grateful for her opportunities." You can find no absence of comments from her about how thankful she is, especially on her UA-cam channel. But the second she says a generic Disney girlboss talking point the movie's PR team probably told her to say, everyone turns on her because she dared to take 2 seconds away from talking about how grateful she is. She's super talented and shouldn't have to continue proving she deserves her roles. I hope she bounces back from this and continues getting cast!
@@sauronthedeceiver3363what has she said that you think is “running her mouth”?
There should be a study on how so many actresses have received insane backlash for starring in Disney projects. Every year, there’s another internet hate campaign as soon as they got cast for a role, regardless of they do or didn’t do. Any response or clapback they make results in them being called "ungrateful" or "toxic" while fellow costars and directors rarely defend them, as they don’t want to throw themselves to the wolves. It’s happened to Brie Larson, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran, Hallie Bailey, Moses Ingram, and now Rachel Ziegler.
While it’s not that the characters they played have the best writing. This isn’t surprising as Disney has only two or three types of female characters they copied and pasted on multiples ones nowadays (and not just on Marvel and Star Wars). But it’s not the studio that pays the price for consciously writing different characters the exact same way over and over; it’s the actresses who were just for following the script. And with every new sequel, remake, or mini-series, there’s always gonna be a new target practice.