What Payday: The Heist Got Right
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Payday has a special place in my heart, and after playing the first game I had an epiphany: this game is great and more people should talk about what it did. Maybe I'm just fanboying over the characters, but the original four have this amazing chemistry that was lost over time. The Payday playable characters became this massive tree, each one with backstories, lore, etc, and it became a little much. Add great music and a clear tone and you have a damn fine game. You can pick it up on steam when it's on sale for like four bucks which I'd totally recommend.
Bank Speech: • Payday The Heist - Fir...
Also, JoeisProductions made a great video a bunch of years ago comparing the character interactions more in depth than I did. I recommend giving it a watch: • Comparing the Characte...
Thank you Shark for lending me your voice in the beginning!
Music used: (In order of appearance)
Payday 2 - Hoxton's Housewarming Party Microsite Music
Payday 1 - The Take (Pt.2 V2)
Payday 1 - Gun Metal Grey
Payday 1 - Stone Cold
Payday 2 - The Mark
Payday 1 - Home Invasion
Payday 1 - Double Cross
Payday 1 - Phoney Money
Thank you Simon.
#payday2 #payday
I don't remember feeling anything as near as horrifying in Payday 2 as when I first saw 2 bulldozers on No Mercy in Payday The Heist.
"You think I'm scared of you?!" You could hear them across the map, it was terrifying
It's even worse in overkill 145+
and if there was a shield in that combo? forget it.
@@HitItEcstasy oh yeah the shields are worse than two. They have a huge shield covering their buddies and you better have a grenade launcher to get rid of them or you're gonna be annoyed
@@phantomvulpe791it can go WORSE With ovk 193+
This is why I wish PD3 will be a fresh start for something more serious and gritty just like the first game, and judging by the concepts I hope it is.
Yup! We only saw the main four, which is good because it might be more of a focus on less characters this time. Maybe we'll even get Ulf back! I know that's unlikely, but a man can dream.
I love the aspect of the heister interacting and i agree bain is annoying i want the heisters to tell me stuff not bain
A fresh start would be nice
But i like the silly story/gameplay of payday 2
I think if they don't bring inspire back in payday 3 that's already a whole different game
@@yol_n Maybe not but I'd imagine there'd be other options of reviving people
I liked how the game wasn't a complete power trip, the cops did a ton of damage, but so did you. I really liked the amount of voice lines each clown had.
You're right. For example, some of the more common enemies sounded genuinely frightened at times in the first game, but they'd still stand up to you. Like when the Swats would say "INCOMINGGGGGG!!"
At least this game is higher than difficulty than payday 2, cuz payday 2 is a walkthrough than a shootout. But payday 2 used to be harder before the death wish update, hard was actually hard. Or maybe I just suck at playing an Xbox 360
@ManaCloakwhat did death wish do? I got big into the game AFTER that update.
Death Sentence is for those who don't want a power trip, and want their shit rocked.
The small things in this game are what make it so special too, i love how Wolf calls Hoxton a fuckton of different nicknames like Hoxifire, Hoxinator, El Hoxo, etc. And when the police assault starts and shit starts getting serious he just calls him normally so Hoxton doesn't get confused
Or like how he yells at special enemies when in assaults vs. when he's out of them. That's an amazing detail. Also doesn't Hoxton call Wolf 'Wolfie'? Lol
@@JawCrush I believe so, and "Wolfman"
He actually calls him nicknames as well in payday 3 lol
I am a sucker for character interaction in games, I am very upset the heisters don’t talk to each other in pd2. I really hope we get WAY more of it in PD3
If they're mainly focusing on the main four then I think we will honestly. Payday 2 had too many characters so having interactions between all of them would've been really difficult. Also considering how getting the older actors/actresses back would've been a pain as well. Focusing on less characters would benefit MASSIVLELY for character interaction
@@JawCrush maybe they can add new characters later on ?
@@exstessy8906 That's what payday 2 did
Sorry buddy..
@@dedo3735knew someone would come back for an update.
One thing that PDTH and early PD2 had that's been completely lost is the sense of being whittled down by the opposition. Back then, your only way of healing was to use a precious medic bag charge, which was more valuable since they were a much higher investment than they are now. Nowadays the majority of perk decks give you some form of health regen, and even if they don't you can invest in hostage skills to get the same thing. Being downed is also meaningless thanks to Inspire - even if you're downed right out in the open in front of a hundred cops, all they need to do is run out, press F, then run back to cover. There's no risk to it at all. Compare that to PDTH where being downed in the open is absolutely a death sentence, and it's often just worth letting them get taken into custody and trade for them later.
Everything's gradually pivoted towards being totally self-sustaining. More and more weapons have gotten ammo pickup buffs so they outpace their ammo consumption, totally eliminating the need for ammo bags. Health regen, as mentioned, means taking damage is meaningless. The accessibility of medic bags means most teams will have at least two fully upgraded medic bags, if not the whole team - at four charges per bag, that means twelve free downs each. If everyone has medic bags, that's ninety-six downs in total before they run out of charges.
Since sustain isn't an issue, the only way to introduce difficulty is to just nuke players whenever they make a mistake, which is where the 225 damage heavy swat come in. When health is worthless because of how easy it is to regain, just kill them in two hits regardless of damage. When downs are worthless because of how easy it is to revive teammates, increase the spawn cap to ludicrous levels and swarm everyone so they're all downed at once.
Balance just felt so much better in PDTH and early PD2, where your mistakes were felt throughout the rest of the heist, rather than either having zero impact or instant failure with little in-between. Not to mention the health values going higher and higher to the point where guns feel so much less impactful. A REVOLVER taking three headshots to kill a taser just feels terrible.
While I do like the accessibility when it comes to healing in Payday 2, you're right. That sense of tension is lost and it seems the only way to get it back is for the developers to throw countless amounts of enemies at you to swarm you so you can't use those healing items/skills/perks. Same for ammo too, like you said. Instead of playing carefully and having to rely on what you brought you can just run out into the open, get a few kills and get a lot of your health and ammo back.
imo PAYDAY 2 lost it's direction in 2014, but 2016-2017 were the big pivot point to being basically a different game with the Hoxton Housewarming Party update, ever since that update the game just became a real mess and to this day, it's just never recovered.
I still love PAYDAY 2 though, the amount of time I've given that game is just astonishing.
Realism is good and character interaction but pd2 much more fun
i aint reading allat
I think health regen is fine if it's balanced and tied to hostages or another semi-limited resource, medic bags should always be the main way of restoring health, which was simply lost in PD2.
My favourite moment in PDTH was in Panic room, where my friend finished attaching the magnet, and all of us got down. And when all hope was lost, the objective gave us money, just enough to revive me in the moment. We proceeded to finish the heist and it was just bliss.
Zdamn, you lucky af
I think my favourite was on 2 occasions where while being the only one left, low on ammo on heat streat on overkill or overkill 145+ I was able to weave around cover as a made my way to the lower exit.
A few notes of mine:
I've always felt that the gameplay in PDTH, while harder, feels much more "fair". The amount of enemies almost never goes above 40, whereas Death Sentence almost always goes over 100 enemies. Sure, a Bronco can easily dispatch heavy SWATs, but you can die just as easily. The whole forced glass cannon playstyle makes the game feel like it can go to shit quickly if you aren't playing your A game.
Along with stuff about the tone, one way I sort of compare it is with voice lines. PDTH's bulldozer sounds focused and professional, whereas say, the Medic Dozer is half joking about his job to save people's lives. Same for heisters, PDTH Chains is, like you said, basically a drill sergeant, then there's characters like Joy who are barely taking this seriously.
I actually really like the funny voice lines, it gives the enemies actual character. The PD2 Bulldozer sounds like he genuinely likes his job, the PDTH Bulldozer sounds like he’s talking on a broken Xbox mic. But I agree Joy is insufferable.
we dont talk about joy
@@elidhanMC we don't talk about a good chunk of characters in 2...
@@doinyamom5810 The funny lines are fine for PAYDAY 2, but the tone of the game around them is what affects how fitting their lines/writing is. For example, the inconsistent tone of PAYDAY 2 is fine for the enemies' lines- but in PAYDAY The Heist, where the tone's less comedic than PAYDAY 2, more serious enemies who take their job of killing fugitives seriously is much more fitting and immersive. I really hope that PAYDAY 3's tone is more serious than comedy, mainly because I don't really find PAYDAY 2 that funny, but I'm definitely still getting it either way. As long as Wolf is still badass, that is. I spent 80 dollars on his mask for a reason lol
funny that Joy is my most disliked character in payday 2 lmao
A thing i also loved was the costumes changing in certain heists, like in Diamond Heist, you were wearing a more tactical and stealthy costume, and in Green Bridge you were wearing a heavy raincoat, its just an awesome details.
There's 4 costumes in the game
Two piece suit with a light weight ballistic vest: first world bank, panic room, no mercy and heat street
Rain coat: green bridge
Tactical vest (ballistic vest with an Tank top and military pants, with ammo pouches): slaughterhouse, diamond heist and undercover
Repairman suits: counterfeit
Surgeon suits: no mercy (if the plan A works)
Yeah, and now we get disgusting out of place fortnite skins, PD2 and 3 are absolute jokes
@@countervolition nah they look fire, and also it gets annoying quickly when all i want is to use my character's default outfit and not the heist's one.
@@ndscartridges no they don’t, they’re ugly as shlt, especially the hoxton one, skinny jeans and jacket, absolute joke, his new design is disgusting too
I played The Heist after 2, it does feel like a more focused design and I like the focus on less overall enemies but they're individually more dangerous.
yeah, i agree with this.
i cant even do a single heist in PDTH on overkill 145+ difficulty, not mentioning 193+, compared to PD2 where i literally play DSOD without a care in the world all cause i got all the dlcs.
its a pay2win game thats being defended by rich people who can afford all the dlcs.
not mentioning how terrible the voice acting are, the cops in PDTH feel more coordinated than PD2, CAUSE THEY ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE AND SAY SOMETHING INSTEAD OF JUST DOING NOTHING AND DEALING 2 HP WORTH OF DAMAGE, THE TEAM AI IS ALSO SMARTER THAN PAYDAY 2 SINCE THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO MAKE THE HEIST BALANCED, INSTEAD OF MAKING THE WORST MAP DESIGNS IN HUMAN HISTORY (ESPECIALLY YOU, GOAT SIMULATOR) WITH A NAVMESH THAT LITERALLY IS BARELY FUNCTIONING.
LIKE HAVE YOU SEEN THE MID RANCH HEIST AI PATH FINDING?
ALL THE CIVILLIANS DO ARE STAND IN THE SAME PLACE, AND ONLY LAY DOWN AFTER 30934902892378423894 SCREAMS, ONLY TO GET BACK UP 0.01 SECONDS LATER.
THE WEAPONS THAT ARE IN THE BASE GAME ARE SO HORRIBLE THAT IT FEELS LIKE IM USING A NERF GUN RATHER THAN AN ACTUAL REAL WEAPON.
THE CHARACTERS HAVE THE WORST VOICE ACTING IVE EVER SEEN IN HUMAN HISTORY, ESPECIALLY A CHARACTER LIKE ETHAN, HILA, JACKET, OR JOY.
NOT TO MENTION THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY LITERALLY YOUNGER THAN 11, CAUSE THEY LAUGH AT THE MOST UNFUNNY GARBAGE IVE EVER SEEN, HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA GET IT? A GUY WITH A CHICKEN HEAD RUNNING AROUND WITH MIXTAPES!!!!!!! ISNT THAT FUNNY????
IVE GENUINELY LOST IT WITH THIS GAME, THE OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF DLCS THIS GAME HAS, THE ANNOYING UPDATES THAT PROBABLY ADD MORE BUGS THAN FIXES, AND SO MANY OF THE UPDATES ARE SO BAD THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE MADE MODS TO UNDO THE UPDATES.
I rest my case.
@@Ixacu Jesus christ man relax
@@MiguelHernandez-lo5lg IF I COULD
I WOULD LITERALLY REFUND MY PAYDAY 2 PURCHASE AND ALL OF ITS DLCS AND BUY THE WOLF PACK 300 TIMES, JUST TO SHOW HOW MUCH OVK SCREWED UP WITH THE GAME.
IVE SEEN PEOPLE SAY "dont use a dlc unlocker cause its bad for the company"
WELL IM SORRY THAT THE PERSON YOU KICKED COULDNT PAY 200 DOLLARS FOR PAY2WIN PACKS, NOT MENTIONING THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY STILL USE IT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE ALL THE DLCS (excluding ones offsale), SINCE SCARFACE IS NOW REMOVED COMPLETELY FROM THE STORE, NOT TO MENTION OVK DOESNT CARE ABOUT CHEATERS UNLESS THEY ARE USING A DLC UNLOCKER.
i think i should stop
@@Ixacu I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger mald in my life, the tear bucket is over there.
@@doinyamom5810 k, but im still pissed at how much money ive spent on payday 2 and how i cant refund it cause ive spent 200 hours in the game.
More stuff that I like about PDTH:
Cloaker wallruns
The CONSISTENT early 2010's look instead of pd2 trying to morph it into something more modern(imo it looks a lot better than pd2)
A bit specific but Bain seems to have WAY more lines about killing civs
Old swat voice actors
Tasers being more than just a mild annoyance, no way they're actually dangerous?? :o
No mercy spooky no lights section
Actually feeling overrun sometimes, failure is mostly pretty fair. If you fail in pd2 it was probably a lost cause anyway
Amazing video my guy, you deserve wayy more attention
+++
The crazy acrobatic stuff they pull off
EVERY SINGLE COP is a damn parkour expert
and the crew all have lines for being tazed
why isnt this basic thing in 2?? who the hell knowns
DON"T TAZE ME BRO DON'T TAZE ME
Thank you! That means a lot! A few things:
I LOVE the old swat voice actors. I love how shaky and sporadic they are. You can hear the genuine fear in some of their lines. It's like they know they're more expendable than some of the special enemies.
Tasers are hellish in the first game, even on normal. They have a TON of health and if you're caught alone with them there's a bigger chance of you getting screwed over. It taught me to be VERY careful and to always be on the lookout for them.
And you're right, there comes a point in Payday 2 where there's just SO many enemies where you're like "What's the point?" like it seems there's no way to come back. Payday 1 feels more manageable.
@@connieredacted7557 about the voice lines: a lot of them were in the game during the beta and at launch. For unknow reasons (most likely big change in dev team) most of them were deleted or just don't trigger anymore. There are some mods that bring them back along with old animations (like shockproof ace).
I do wish they make pd3 more consistent
+The weapon selection is limited so there is no assault rifles with the same stats but with slightly altered modifications
Also the shotguns in payday the heist are more realistic than the ones in Payday 2
It's like the difference between Killing Floor and it's sequel
even though the second game has more content, features and looks better,
the first game has charm, personality and a overall better atmosphere.
like how PD The Heist and KF1 has a more darker atmosphere and soundtrack while their sequels got more fast pace atmosphere and got more of a electronic soundtrack.
Exactly my thoughts, man! While I adore the mechanics and abundance of content in KF2, I still really miss the atmosphere of the first one. I think it really is about quality over quantity: sure, KF1 had less maps, weapons etc. but everything was MEANINGFUL. Every class had its worth, there was no broken meta stuff which would trivialize everything and make every fight the same. Every map had somewhat of a story to it and a distinct atmosphere too! I guess I just personally prefer immersive and grounded games rather than ones which are a fantasy fun fest
Dude the first killing floor is always gonna be better in my opinion.
The OG PD2 was originally envisioned to be much like PDTH, both in terms of details and gameplay, as far as some of the unused game files go: there was more banter between the heisters, cops reacted to your actions (such as killing with the OVE9000 saw), the enemies were fewer in quantity but stronger on their own, and I just feel like bringing up a lot of misc stuff like gutted reload animations, Mosconi accounting for only 1 shot, that one removed Taser counter animation, etc. A lot of that is restorable with mods (RIP Projects Canary/Phoenix/Deadlocke), and if you want difficulty, you could try Classic Heisting or download older versions, but by all accounts this should've just remained in the game.
PDTH and OG PD2 are what I really really wish PD3 will be, and hopefully remain (although with it being a live service, I wouldn't get my hopes up).
Modern day PD2 is oversaturated and overbloated with content, as you said yourself, moving from a tactical shooter to a horde shooter. It spiraled down the moment that infinite heists such as White Xmas were introduced, along with health regen, and DLC weapons having to be stronger to attract new buyers. At that point it was less "Can you beat it?" and more "For how long can you survive?". The game is fun, but sometimes feels like a shell of its former self with way less challenge and depth.
Excellent video! I also feel that in Payday: The Heist, cops were more inclined to actually halt your objectives and the game would actually feel like you're fighting against cops & threats designed to put forks in your plan instead of being mindless hordes of clones.
They feel like they were designed to STOP you and what you were doing on top of trying to eliminate you, not JUST kill you like in Payday 2.
I went back to Payday: The Heist a couple of days ago after spending a good amount of time playing Payday 2 on Xbox and I gotta say- the difference is wild!
(Also, the character interactions are so cool, I love games that have that, reminds me a lot about Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, one of the main reasons why I returned to it)
Left 4 Dead is a great comparison to Payday. (4 Player Co-op horde shooter) Even to the point where it references the games quite a bit. Hell, No Mercy is literally the hospital from L4D1. The interaction in both franchises are unforgettable. They add so much personality in character even though they're just talking. It's the little things that sell it for me. I'm glad you liked the video too!
the only bad part about this video is that it ends. PDTH feels much real, in a way that the heists actually feel belieaveble. NYPD tries one thing, backs out, regroups tries another tactic, sends special forces. They try to catch the player off guard and use the pressure caused by the assault to do it. In payday 2, we have the Zeal team A.K.A your standard unit, but deals more damage.
Not surprised the video is getting a lot of traction. PD3 is out and it partially has returned to PDTH, or at least back to how PD2 was on release, not a horde shooter but a boots on the ground tactical game.
My personal favourite is chains line when the pilot misses the balloon on green bridge: ,,The hell? Is that fool high or somethin?,,
The thing that i really love in pd:th is that most of the cops are freaking parkour vector dudes. they parkour ALOT in heists such as undercover, panic room, diamond heist, and green bridge.
I remember seeing a video of Diamond Heist: a part Bain ask what the gang will do to open the vault, Dallas suggests using C4, Chainsey said "No fucking way"
Their interactions are great. I was playing the Diamond Heist and out of pure chance the door codes didn't work and the crew got pissed at Bain meanwhile Bain was like "Uh... uh... okay... uh..." It was awesome. Wolf was like: "Those codes cost us a million bucks! Someone's a dead man!" and Dallas was like: "Now what? We got NOTHIN' that can get through those doors!"
PD2 turned to a run and gun shooter the moment Grinder got added
as a loner with few freinds also, it felt for cinematic. the AI had unique animations to interact with the world. Small things like the heat speech, leaning over a balcony to look at a seemingly impossible vault door.
Yeah, they could also slide, blind fire sometimes (just like the cops), roll and a lot of other stuff
They changed from actual human beings to unstoppable killing machines that only walk around
One thing I really liked about payday 1 was the fact that you could bring 3 guns which is something that should be more common in games.
2 *+1meleeattack and a reserve peashooter is kinda shit for a fps but pdth made it flow so so SO much better than any others, even the sequels feel somewhat clanky compared to this. Proud 1.6k hours player
Edit: fixed terms
@flooku987 I feel like the way pdth does it also gives pistols a better role than most games;
Typically you see either hand cannons that deal alot of damage which isn't ideal since it steps on the toes of rifles and makes no sense (I blame halo ce for popularizing this despite how much I love it), or you have pistols that are nearly useless that are intended to be ditched once you have anything else.
Pdth gave them a quite good role, not powerful enough to replace a rifle or smg, but good enough to feel right, and honed in on the niche pistols are designed for.
@@wonderflounium also that, pistols tend to be bland but on pdth if you can reliably hit your shots it's real good
This made me insanely happy as me and my dad used to play payday 1 together and I recently got him into payday 2 as well. Such good memories. Great video man keep it up!
Thank you!
One fun thing you should do if possible is do a sociopath berserker frenzy build and your primary is He round brothers grimms shotguns. Best moment was a cluster a shield going into the air one time.
What's the meaning of having more characters when there is no character.
As someone who has played PDTH for almost 200h, it makes me ecstatic to see people finally start apreciating it! The experiences in that game feel a lot more authentic than the dlc chaos that is PD2
As someone with 2k+ hrs in PD:TH and seeing someone giving this game a fair shot and not just go "Durr just plae PD2 durr is bettar durr" is a breath of fresh air. Thanks
I don't know why but listening to people just gush happily about games they like makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside
It's the passion! I love when people put their heart into something. Payday's just one of those things for me
I never understood why payday 2 has so many difficulties when 4/6 feel exactly the same
From normal to overkill is almost the same shit, mayhem feels like a kinda spiced up overkill and death wish / death sentence is just a CBT simulator (and proves that the devs don't know how to make a game challenging in the right way)
Mayhem absolutely does not feel the same as DW or especially Death Sentence, what are you saying?
@@crylune
I said 4/6 difficulties... Anything below dw feels exactly identical and normal is not even a difficulty
THE POST-PAYDAY 3 COMMENT:
They've kinda struck a balance between PDTH and PD2, as expected. Cops generally move as squads, special units are rare with the Dozer being restricted to 1-3 spawns an assault depending on difficulty. Assaults actually feel like they matter again. Character interaction still kinda stinks despite cutting down on initial characters. Tone is kinda weird, it's supposed to be more like PDTH than PD2 but civilians are more concerned about missing their appointments than getting used as human shields. Dallas' little brother might have died in an explosion but he seems pretty chill about it. Heists are set up more like PDTH but still have very brief flashes of busy work like PD2. In PDTH every heist with exception of Heat Street felt like it could be the one the group retires on. PD2 focused more on building up to the big jobs with a lot of little ones. PD3 feels much more like 2 than TH in that regard.
When did Houston die? What is your source on that?
@@doggiethepug I said might. My source is the fifty different times Overkill mentioned pre-release that the story is about the gang being attacked and most of them being unaccounted for. My other source is the video game "Payday 3" by Overkill Software and Starbreeze where they mention in a cutscene that the safehouse was blown up and many heisters are unaccounted for, possibly dead.
This is including Houston, as he is not one of the playable heisters in the game "Payday 3" by Overtkill and Starbreezer.
Houston (/ˈhjuːstən/ ⓘ; HEW-stən) is the most populous city in Texas and in the Southern United States. It is the fourth-most populous city in the United States after New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago, and the sixth-most populous city in North America. With a population of 2,302,878 in 2022,[2] Houston is located in Southeast Texas near Galveston Bay and the Gulf of Mexico; it is the seat and largest city of Harris County and the principal city of the Greater Houston metropolitan area, which is the fifth-most populous metropolitan statistical area in the United States and the second-most populous in Texas after Dallas-Fort Worth. Houston is the southeast anchor of the greater megaregion known as the Texas Triangle.[7]
I though the heisters went their own ways post Offshore Payday (cutscene after completing the White House heist secret)
I remember, when i was a kid, i used to play Payday 1’s demo on my ps3 religiously
payday the heist is the only game where i've almost shat my pants just from seeing a dozer hanging out in the hallway
There’s a mod called Vocal Heisters that re adds a lot of unused lines for the characters. Honestly a lot of mods really carry the game and make it more fun to play
1000% agreed if not for mods I doubt I'd have even half of my total playtime before I took a decent break from it which was about 6013hrs though I actually didn't start using mods until 2500hrs.
I love both games, but for sure one thing I miss and I'm glad was mentioned int he video is the characters all saying things to each other that are related to the mission or info or just reactions to things in the first game, I get why they don't have this in PD2 as much with there being so many characters so it relies on Bain and Locke to call out everything to you. I would love to see that return in PD3 though, it adds a lot. Great video!
The voices add SO MUCH character! While the weapon animations are awesome, there isn't much personality in them (I mean that since they're used for every character) and there aren't really any other ways to show that character. Hell, even your face is covered by mask so you can't get any sense of emotion whatsoever. Voices let the heisters speak their minds! You can tell how they're feeling at any given moment. It allows them to be more fleshed out through gameplay and have great chemistry with one another.
@@JawCrush I hope voicelines between characters return for PAYDAY 3, they certainly can add them even with a bunch of characters- one thing I really hope they add in PAYDAY 3 is unique animations for certain characters. Not necessarily reload and shooting animations, but like unique animations for interactions, walking and running, pointing to mark enemies, etc.; it wouldn't change much but it'd give the characters more, uh, character.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the lack of bagging. Cutting down the monotony of getting loot out streamlines heists a lot.
I feel like part of the reason why The Heist's gunplay is a lot oomphier compared to 2 is that the more outlandish options in 2 weren't available. No magically dodging bullets that by all rights should have hit you, no yelling at incapacitated heisters to instantly revive them, no talking cuffed police into fighting for you with a remarkably silver tongue (I know the original plan was bomb collars but it's not like those made the cut), no bringing a friggin minigun to heists, and so on and so on. At best you get a grenade launcher. Aside from making The Heist feel a lot more grounded, it really makes it feel like you're fighting the police on a similar level, like you can kill them almost as fast as they can kill you.
I also like how The Heist has a lot fewer XP levels compared to 2. The Infamy system really seems to drive players to do the same heists over and over just to arbitarily boost their levels up. 10000 levels just to get all the Infamy related unlocks, and 40000 more just to max it out. By comparison, The Heist has like 200 levels, which while it might still take a bit to max out is peanuts in comparison, especially considering how many hours the average Payday player has in the game. (And if you really wanted to grind for it you can get three buddies to do the overdrill multiple times and probably knock it out in a few days.)
I agree with what you have to say about how the heisters talk a lot more to each other and regarding heist progression in the first game. I think my favorite lines in this regard is when you get to the vault in Diamond Heist and find out that the codes are incorrect, whereupon the heisters vocalise their frustrations until someone suggests seeing if there's anybody important at the party they can hold hostage.
...man this is a really disjointed series of paragraphs, I dunno why I typed my thoughts out like this.
(I still maintain that at the end of the day, both Payday games feel more like an inverse of John Carpenter's Assault on Precinct 13 than they do heist films and ECM rushing in the second game is the closest it comes.)
There is bagging though, even though it's only in Slaughterhouse. I really liked how you didn't have to move an endless amount of bags in First World Bank however. In Payday 2 it's SOOOOOO boring. I hate it so much, especially when I'm solo.
I did like the gameplay/gunplay tying into the tone overall, it's all grounded.
There's less levels sure but there's also a lot less heists. I do like the variety the second game has for the missions you can do for a lot of XP. Big Oil is still very fun to this day, even if you can't stealth day 2 fully. Payday 1 heists are all bangers though.
I remember getting footage for this video and I had done like 6 Diamond Heists in Payday 1 up to that point and the gameplay I was capturing just so happened to be the attempt where the codes messed up and Bain was like "Uuuh, uh, uhhh..." and all the Heisters were like freaking out. It was awesome. "DAMMIT! IT DOESN'T WORK! BAIN?!?!"
If your comment is disjointed my response will also be disjointed lmao
Something I miss from Payday The Heist is the glass shattering when you get a headshot on a swat. The sound is so satisfying I love it.
Combined with the fucking death screams, scoring a headshot was a dopamine injection to my brain
The swat VA's are way better than 2's
@@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon Yeah, like in PDTH when a swat shouts "Ive got comtact" they sound like theyre trying to alert everyone. In Payday 2 they practically whisper "Contact" to themselves.
@@GabbyEatsU they have a mixture of trying to remain tactical while in a panic situation, that's why they sometimes just shout the most basic and "unprofessional" stuff
"GOT ONE IN THE CHICKEN PLATE"
Also, I remember playing FWB and killing a heavy swat with the m308, hearing that bloody scream that come out of a horror movie while watching him fall on his back kinda gave me the chills
I love playing Payday the Heist to unwind and have a fresh experience from Payday 2, this is why Payday 3 is so fun now too become it brings out lots of elements of PDTH.
PDTH feels like an attmept to make a cinematic coop shooter, and i actually enjoyed it.
Unfortunately, It's highly unlikely Payday 3 will have the same depth in character interactions that Payday 1 has. The only way to mimic that would be to go for the more "canonical" approach to the heists, where different groups of characters are locked to a heist, like the different campaigns in L4D2. That would allow for more characters without compromising on character interactions, but that wouldn't allow you to play your favorite character always, and the game might have to launch with roughly the same amount of characters they want to keep in the game.
There's no good solution, and while PD2 definitely improved in character interactions over time, I doubt PD3 will ever reach PDTH's levels if they want to have multiple characters, which was also an issue in Back 4 Blood.
This actually deserves so many more views, sometimes yt algorithm really does get it right
Payday 2 has been receiving updates for nearly 10 years now - it wasn't bloated with too many weapons, characters, heists, different music artists, perk decks (didn't exist lol), and difficulties. As much as I enjoy Payday 2 now, I miss the first year or so after launch. Doing the Death Wish mask in the months after the difficulty was released was a ton of fun and felt great - now there are so many heists that it seems like it would be a nightmare just to keep track of which ones you have and haven't done.
fuck safehouse nightmare, man
i love pdth because its actually challenging sometimes
Sadly, as of writing this post, they didn’t learn shit. The cast is even more antisocial & quiet.
Funny enough, I was playing PDTH today and I loved replaying it. I bought it last year when pd2 was installing and what a different experience, it really feels like the cops are actually cops and not a bunch of brainless marines running at your general direction. Also, one thing that I loved was the enemy design, like, the heavy swat REALLY feels heavy, unlike the pd2 counterpart, also the detail where cloakers have their eyes glowing at a distance, tasers looking like a fucking mech, this game is a gem.
I'm retired of pd2, yes the game is good, but it lacks these details that I love and the atmosphere of the first game that I really missed, and I'm thinking about buying wolf pack too!
Quality content as always
i think that payday 3 is going to have way less characters luckily bc if you do the secret ending, there is a video that shows what all the heisters did after the game and almost all of them left or dissapeared
Payday the heist police ai was FLAWLESS, those guys got tactics, and readed your play style
(this comment might be long because i am a very passionate to payday too)
the voicelines in PD:TH will forever be great, but a small thing i wish you talked about, the animations, god i love the animations
seeing them running to the ends of corners, looking down at the vault when you finally get into the back, it makes them feel less like ai and actual people
theres very little of these animations in PD2, its to the point where i screamed when i saw the ai going through the vents during beneath the mountain when the door closes
also cloaker wallruns, terrifying.
what makes the enemies feel also more scary to me atleast is the difference between them, the cloakers are in their own taskforce called SPOOC (haha funny calling the fbi spooks), but that big patch showing that is completely gone in PD2, the tazer has an electricity patch, theyre not apart of the SWAT, theyre clearly all in different branches for the police force, but theyre all the same, its boring
speaking about the seriousness in PD2, im guessing what happened is there was alot of different thoughts, wanting to change alot of things, and just so much experimentation that didnt get enough work when being implemented, the start of the goofy wackiness had to be vlad, almost all of his heists are just "ukranian man wants you to ______, go fuck them up"
the goofiness in story could be accountable to bo andersson wanting collabs, which is nice until it ruins the canon, to the point where some anonymous guy had to make lovecraftian mush which retconned alot of stuff, and left holes more than the cops youve been shooting at
(im talking about payday i have to specifically rant about him)
id blame alot of stuff on bo andersson, ulf's brother and ex-co-owner-ex-owner of Overkill
if you looked into what happened, alot of things point to bo being extreme arrogant, ignorant, and downright a douche, he took money from the stocks to fund his STARVR, yeah, that crap mask is a real thing that bo really tried to do, but no one liked a widescreen vr headset
most problems with payday was shifted onto almir listo, who was a spokesperson for them, hell, there was a whole thing going around crimefest 2016 on 4chan where a guy with wolf images would say the idea of safes was almir's idea, which in reality, was LionGameLion who thought of it, the whole microtransactions fiasco couldve been due to bo seeing how well the DLCs did in PD:TH, its all theories, but i truly think it went all downhill mainly because of him
one last thing, 2:55 you shouldve used the image of him violently eating an orange, the least flattering image of him
one other last thing, the music is curated to the heist so much to where the names can be alternated with the heist, ive been calling no mercy code silver and counterfeit home invasion for years
Btw when one of the actors for Heat recently passed away,Overkill themselves confirmed that Payday:TH,and Payday 2’s inspiration was indeed Heat (1995)
7:56 Payday the heist has a difficulty that you unlock after reaching reputation 145, called Overkill 145+. If you count easy and ovk 145+, the game has 5 difficulties
I wouldn't mind if Payday 3 only had a few characters. The original 4 and a few new additions like Jacket and Houston, so we could get more unique character voice lines
I’ll never forget the good times and good tunes in this game. I generally like the music and the feel of the first all around better. I could never really explain it well but this video put my thoughts into something understandable. Also the track that plays during Undercover tops most of 2’s soundtrack
How they went from this gem to the disasterous PD3 is beyond me
i played this game recently, and talked about it, i haven't played it nearly as much as payday 2, and this game surprised me i ended up playing all day
Really great video. There are so many talented creators that never get recognition.
Got this vid randomly in my recommendations, really fun watch but the 90 views suprised ngl. Deserves WAY more
Thank you!! That means so much, and we all have to start somewhere
same here! this video NEEDS more attention, so well done! :) glad i got it in my reccomendations
You got what you asked for
0:30 Easy to answer, they all look and (especially) play worse in the 2nd game (but the 2nd game's gameplay is messed up in general).
PDTH gave you that action movie experience, PD2 went in a more arcade and goofy direction, and while that's still fun, it loses that feel and atmosphere that the first game had. PD2 feels more like a video game where you just mess around with overpowered perks and shoot bullet sponge enemies, PDTH felt like you were actually there having an intense shootout with the cops and robbing banks.
On the music, apparently there's a running theme where the PAYDAY crew's music is electronic-styled (like early PD2), you can find this come into play specifically when the plot (whatever plot there is) starts to favor the crew rather than the antagonists. I find it to be a neat touch
This is what I want PD3 to be. The best of both games. The stakes and gameplay oomph of the 1st game, and the stories they managed to cook up in the 2nd (Hoxton Breakout, Golden Grin Casino, etc.), story pieces and the buildup that brought PD2 to great heights.
I find that Payday 2 is a Heisting game, and Payday: The Heist is more like a heisting simulator. For Payday 2 you can get a bunch of different perk decks and skills to stay alive, when in Payday: The Heist, the strategy is just "Dont Get Shot". Payday 2 is more fast paced where you do about 10-15 minutes for a heist, but Payday: The Heist is much more slower, taking 30-45 minutes a heist (unless im just bad). Like heat street is so much easier in Payday 2 compared to Payday: The Heist. Also Great video, hope to see more good content.
Left 4 Dead 2 proves that all the little character interactions do wonders for worldbuilding and immersion.
Right?! I feel like developers often waste little things like that but they work SO well when you're trying to make a more believable world. I think that's what helps make L4D2 all the more compelling, since you're not like these super soldiers against zombies, you're just normal people who got caught up. They don't even call each other by their names until they talk to each other in the elevator, how crazy is that?! Payday can have those little interactions and when they work they work very well in adding a little bit of immersion or tension into a heist
I believe that originally PD2 was going to just be PDTH but expanded and built-upon after looking at the Alpha footage.
The game retained the same feeling as it's predecessor but also felt more real and dynamic. The original music tracks like The Mark had the same dark theme until they were replaced in 2014 with the remade versions we know today.
While the first game made a reference to Heat with the speech, the second game had an entire reverb system to replicate how the shootout in the movie sounded like, and personally I think it's the most forgotten and underappreciated part of the game.
The police also attempted to be tactical, instead of just rushing you endlessly, some squads would remain outside behind cars, objects etc. to prevent you from going out of the besieged building while other squads would stack up in a room, ready up and proceed to the next room in order to hunt you down.
Imo, the overall weapon balance destruction in modern PD2 happened when the new skill tree arrived and Mayhem+DS came in, because the weapons became dependent on skills than the weapon itself.
FPS animations were also downgraded so you don't actually see any 'visual recoil' like your gun shaking cuz of the amount of recoil, this is hard to explain but in modern PD2 it's pretty much only just the screen shaking now when shooting.
(fun fact: player third person anims used to behave like bots' & cops' so you could lower your weapon when not shooting, raise your weapon when aiming down sight etc. this is broken because the game fails to check whether you have the Lock N' Load skill, so it raises your weapon permanently)
I'm not here to bash on PDTH, I agree with this review and I think it's a solid first game in the series which would explain the hype behind PD2. I just don't really see many people look at what PD2 tried to be when it launched.
Unfortunately PD2 died rapidly after it's peak in early 2015 and ever since it's been a slippery slope. Despite the sharp downfall of the game people still prefer modern PD2 over PDTH so I'm glad this video exists.
I just hope PD3 will take inspiration from PDTH and 2013 PD2 instead of basing an entire game on modern PD2 and fan service by adding a pre-order spoon skin or something.
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great video. all of your points definitely hit the mark, especially pd2's overabundance of weapons. it's not bad to have variety, obviously, but when theres so many weapons that some go completely unused or unrecognized, it starts to become a problem. I have 590 hours in pd2 and there are still some weapons I've yet to use, and that stems from them being completely useless or just overshadowed. pdth has a quarter of what pd2 has, yet what it gives is impactful even if it finds use in certain difficulties and heists only (poco and stryk come to mind instantly).
talking about impact, god damn is killing satisfying in pdth. pd2 feels good too, but it's more punchy when you aren't mowing down mindless swarming drones. and that visor breaking effect and sound whenever you headshot a heavy SWAT, nothing signals dopamine more than headshotting multiple heavy SWATs in a row with the M308.
as you've mentioned already, pdth has more heist and situation-specific voice lines and that's what makes pdth so much more immersive. in pd2 you'll hear the same 6 voice lines over and over again and it gets a tad bit tiring at some point. whenever I play pdth I always hear an unique voice line that I haven't heard before, and I wish pd2 shared that same property, though I can completely understand that making hundreds of unique voice lines for the 30+ characters this game has takes lots of time and money, albeit this all falls on overkill themselves. they COULD'VE added alternative voice lines for assault and control/fade phases, which is one of my favorite details in pdth. on the topic of audio, I loved the gritty songs of pdth so much more. pd2 songs are great, but feel out of place for a situation where the lives of civilians and police officers are at stake just because of 4 robbers.
and to top this comment off, if pdth were to hypothetically get another update, I REALLY wish the experience system would get revamped. until level 145 you're not much of use, and it takes ages to get to there (it took me about 60 or so hours to reach level 145, and another 20-30 to reach level 193, this included full overdrills btw). coupled with pdths unforgiving difficulty on solo, leveling up can really be a hassle.
One of my favorite things will always be the cop designs. I like the variety of seeing the HRT + Swat and heavy swat every assault instead of the same two FBI/Gensec ones in 2.
An actual down to Earth video playing PD:TH? Am I dreaming? Great vid but just an observation, PD:TH has more difficulties than you think, it has an extra hardest difficulty called Overkill 145+ unlocked by getting to reputation 145, it was originally the highest level you could go before the Wolf Pack and was added as an update, like Deathwish in PD2 was.
Ah. I've heard of it but thought it was just a part of Overkill. I'm nowhere near rank 145 lmao
@@JawCrush Yeah don't really blame you for that, finding people to play PD:TH today when you're new isn't easy. It's a niche game no one really cares about so the only people left are veterans, it's unfortunate but it is what it is.
When you talked about the amount of characters I realized one of my biggest problem with payday 2 is the amount of characters. I got the game during the summer sale this year and so far I'm loving it but the thing is I feel it takes a lot longer to understand the characters cause how many there are. I came from another shooter Left 4 Dead 2 and by 15 hours I understood both groups but I have 40 hours in payday 2 (very little I know) and I still dont understand chains. I probably just need to play more but that's what I felt.
What make me want to play more is the loot, the more I take, the more I want and it continu endlessly. In Payday 2 One Down Death Sentence is almost impossible to secure all bags if you are not patient (like me). Doing the heist, steal everything, kill a couple of cops and go.
I only got to play PDTH very recently, nearly a whole decade after starting with 2 and I have to say I agree with most of the points made, if not all. The contextual dialogue between the heisters (and Bain) was great to experience in places like Diamond Heist or the response to seeing Matt having handcuffed himself to the briefcase.
One minor detail about combat that I think you missed is the fact Heavy SWAT visors just explode if you kill them from a faceshot, whereas in 2 there's only the helmets flying. Although a small detail, it absolutely adds to the aforementioned "oomph" of the combat, especially when using the power weapons like the Reinbeck or the Bronco.
There's also the added innate difficulty. Even on Normal, PDTH greatly punishes you for trying to play recklessly and frequently staying out in the open as if it had the same leniency as 2, personally I appreciate that as it makes me actually consider with actual care what my next move will be during an assault and such.
Thanks recommended, I agree on a lot of the points made here. There were a lot of problems with payday 2s development, the insider trading business, microtransactions, random ass dlcs with hila and ethan playable characters. I think they just kind of tried everything and that's why the game has a lack of consistency.
Not even 2 weeks and you're already at over 350 subs. Sheesh!
great video, the part about tone is real asl and you kinda nailed it. i just hope that in payday 3 they are consistent with tone, whether goofy or serious.
Thank you!
Nice editing appreciate it
at launch, you couldn't choose your music in payday 2 but it was always the song made for the specific heist you were on. this includes different days and escapes.
Honestly, Payday 2 was WAY more like payday: The Heist at launch. it just radically changed as time went on until it was something completely different.
The soundtrack lost a lot of it's subtlety, the main characters became scarcer, the guns got way less shiny around the time clover was added, the new difficulties made everyone have to adapt to ridiculous builds that felt more like a 90's fps rather than a gritty skin of your teeth battle against highly professional badass fbi/swat operators, the grounded concept of a team of experienced heisters was shattered in place of globetrotting super-terrorists, and the overall realism kinda just got thrown out the window.
One day you're robbing a jewelry store and the next you're in siberia stealing high tech military servers from a secret underground soviet laboratory creating cyborg super soldiers, y'know?
Something small to mention is the HUD
Payday 1 has such a nice minimalistic HUD, even at the bottom left it has text on where the others are which is a nice touch
Payday 2 just opted with circles over the heister portrait for health
PD 2 default Hud is just boring.
great video, I'm hoping payday 3 will be a callback to the pd:th roots, it seems promising considering the concept art thats been released
subbed :D
Let's hope for the best! :)
This is next level comedy watching it after the goofy launch of pd3
THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME!!! Payday the heist had so great atmoshpere
I never really liked the “too many character” in payday 2, I always just stuck with the 4 homies.
I think I'll finally buy the first one because of you bud
I hope you enjoy it, even solo it's fun :D
Let's all hope that pd3 will closely as pdth. As I want in pd3 is difficulty like in pdth not just in pd2 "108 cops spawn and die in 3 sec",And want stealth mixed with pd2 and pdth
Salad approves this is gonna be good
budget: 7 united states dollars
game: masterpiece
sometimes less is more.
pdth's cops feel gooder too
Man, finally - someone else shows some love to the first game, and the one that got me into the series.
On your comments on the gameplay, I'd even argue that everything you mention means that the gameplay _is_ actually different to the sequel. One of the things that brings me back to PD1 is that thanks to the gameplay, you don't feel invincible. The game does a great job at restricting the player so that you have to use strategy, communication, and your wits in order to survive; you have to outsmart the cops, not just outgun them.
A while back I played through Heat Street in PD1 with a friend, and he got shot down. In the sequel, no big deal - someone would have Inspire Aced and they'd just mash E until they got up. But in PD1, it became this massive event. We had to stop, take stock of the situation, and manage when to go for the rescue, and who would provide cover. It felt _amazing,_ and I think gives the gameplay of the first game such a different feel to the one-man-army sense of PD2.
If everyone can remember, Payday 2 was a rushed job. They had to release it in beta to get some funds so they can keep going. Thankfully they kept patching it and fixed dozens of problems which is what made people keep coming back even after it’s buggy launch.
What baffles me is that they never added the small details from Payday The Heist (or even made the AI slightly better). Even during the game’s peak they never bothered to make the game they truly wanted, just making DLC after DLC (some great, some terrible, and most just average). It really was quantity over quality for Payday 2, even at its peak.
As an example, in some of the heists on launch, the “cube maps” were broken (or were broken at some point down the line), so the light sources never casted shadows. It remained broken (without a mod) until 2022 or 2021, when overkill were making bonus dlcs to stay afloat.
Another example are the civilian killed voicelines. Did you know they’re on a tier system? The more civvies you kill, the harsher Bain/Locke will scold you. This was broken *since launch,* and remained broken (without a mod) until 2022 or 2021. Want to know how it was fixed officially (and unofficially)? By adding a “return” at the end of the function’s code (which I think increments the tier), which ends the function’s process until it’s called again.
Edit 2023: Looking back, I can understand why Payday 2 ended up the way it did. Overkill needed funds to keep going, especially with 505games and Starbreeze wanting money. When they acquired the rights from 505, I think there was less dlc being pumped out, since there was less money they needed to pay up. At the same time, they couldn’t do much for Payday 2, due to engine limitations and not having a lot of time to figure it all out (before needing to do dlc #300), even after they regained the rights. There are dozens of voicelines that go unused, referencing several things (deployables, weapons, etc.), and the ZEAL voicelines were in the game from the start, intended for heavy units. Even mods like LIES, which improves the AI and makes use of cut voicelines, but even that leads to some issues.
Honestly, Payday 3 looks like what Payday 2 was meant to be. An improved, yet overhauled, Payday: The Heist.
Good to see some people do gets interested by the old fashion way. I always prefered the old gameplay style (focused on strategy and teamplay rather than fast paced). It is a really good comparison between pdth and pd2.
Let's hope PAYDAY 3 will be a lot more of The Heist (or The Heat) than PAYDAY 2
there's a extra difficulty in payday 1. that can only be unlock when u reach max level aka 145+ (with DLC u can hit max lvl 173 but u only need 145)
and that difficulty will make u cry. all unlocked skills u got from leveling up, feel very useless on this difficulty, u can only get downed once (yeah this is early 1 down difficulty like payday 2 has) and the real horror is when FBI shows up after swat team is backing off. u will be amaze to be alive more then 5 min lol...
and overkill software was soo kind and give us the Overdrill secret that take 2 hours only on overkill 145+ difficulty
but first u has to beat all maps on 145+ to unlock the golden mask.
(Now reduce to 33min and any dif no need for golden mask) 🤪
I really enjoyed the video! i agree with the points, ESPICALLY regarding character interaction! (There's a reason i have project deadlocke for payday 2)
Overall great video, keep up the good work!
Also holy shit another payday 2 console vet? Nice! I put like almost the same amount of time you showed before moving to pc.
I've legit NEVER heard of project deadlocke, I need to try it out!! And yeah, Payday 2 console players have been in a drought for years at this point which really sucks. It was a fun game to just hop in with friends and mess around in
@@JawCrush ps3 and xbox 360 got f×cked over the most.
“GUYS THE THERMAL DRILL, GO GET IT!”
I love both games honestly, I think PDTH has better gameplay than 2 but I still enjoy 2 for some casual fun time killing.
Damn i gotta say i was surprised when u saw the count of views >< considering how fun of a watch it was i thought they forgot 2 or 3 zeros 😅 finally yt recommendations working as they should. Keep up the good work ^^ I'll watch your career with great interest
I hope that for payday 3 they don't get too wrapped up in the same mechanics as pd2 and I hope they still are open to flexibility
For example civilians. In PD2 they do not act very human. Nobody plays hero, nobody tries to talk, nobody tries to hide, nobody tries to fight, essentially they only function as timers. If you dont intimidate them they eventually run and call the police. And i say "intimidate" very loosely because its pretty much just walking into their general vicinity and pressing F
Also police response. In PD2 Its an on off switch. If you get found, the whole police force is called and thats it. This made sense in payday 1 because the gameplay was focused on that. On the swarms of police but payday 2 started making it more flexible, and they added a stealth layer and realistic causes for police response, so why not make the response itself realistic too? Maybe if only gunfire is reported, the police just send a squad car to investigate, and if a robbery is reported, they actually send in hostage negotiation?
They did a small hostage negotiation thing in PD2 where its a few audio files "WE KNOW YOURE IN THERE" "COME OUT OR WE'RE SENDING IN TACTICAL UNITS" ... "SEND IN THE TACTICAL UNITS" but those are just literally audio files coming from no source. they're just being played.
What if these lines actually came from a real npc in the game world? what if you could genuinely negotiate?
Like i feel like so much of pd2 mechanics can be expanded and elaborated on in different ways. But there is totally a possibility that Overkill just sticks to what is familiar because expirementation with a game theyve worked on for so long would feel strange. Kinda like everything ubisoft released after Far Cry 3
But I feel the goal of making a good is just like any other art form. To create a feeling. And if that feeling is robbing a bank, then they should work further towards that now that we have better technology, the freedom of a new engine, and years of experience and new knowledge!
Its very obvious that ive had this bottled up for a while now i was gonna do a video essay on this but instead of writing anything i recorded 30 minutes of rambling on an iphone and never got around 2 editing it so thank you for making this video Jaws youve said what everyone felt
I do perfer how the cop look in the old game and the wall running cloaker
keep in mind payday2 was not supposed to go on for this long, that i can guarantee played a big part in the tonal shift and player divide in the payday community, blame it on ww2, walking dead, or just overkills bad decisinons
I remember when PD2 came out, it was fresh, new and exciting, there were so much new stuff in the game, things you could do and ways to do the heists, I wanted to get my hands on it at all costs. But now, looking at all the dlc, all the microtransactions and realizing the game became a cash cow, I feel a sense of aversion towards this game I was once so excited about and infatuated with. Looking at the amount of filler dlcs and the loot boxes in the game makes me want to barf. And that's why I have been sticking to PD the heist for the past five years, it's more limited in some aspects but at least it doesn't make me nauseous (inb4 overkill ruins it lol).
There wasn't really any game like Payday when it came out, that's what made it so special. It has become Overkill's cash cow, so I hope they don't ruin Payday 3 the same way, but pretty much all of Overkill's other endeavors have ended poorly. Anything that wasn't Payday, at least. Also, those loot boxes were removed a couple years back if I remember correctly, but they soured the player bases view of the game for damn sure.
Pd2 had micro transactions for like one week in 2015, stop living in the past.
@@doinyamom5810 plus the DLCs that you buy help on the production of payday 3 and i'm not kidding when i say that from what i heard, it's the only way thy get financed for it
@@gabrielsantosbastos5257 Yeah it’s called…. Money? And they already have enough money to make payday 3
@@doinyamom5810 no shit, i thought that was named cash
Intro is a lie. The game IS peak.
Got this video in my recommendeds. Great video.
I think something that would be key to mention regarding Payday 2 and its inconsistent tone is a trend we've been seeing more and more as games get longer support lives and the rise of paid cosmetics- I like to call it Clown Creep since its funny but basically you start with a game that's serious, lets use Rainbow 6 Siege. On launch very serious game, everyone was full serious tactical equipment, realistic armour with some personalisation from the op here and there. And then 5 months after launch they add weapon charms and cosmetic head gear with the Desert Storm op and thus begins the Clown Creep. A dilution of the aesthetic to serve DLC and or player progression of a """live service""" or whatever you want to call them. Now youve got ops being introduced with next to no tactical equipment/armour, less grounded abilities and they can cosplay Rick and Morty, or Lara Croft, or Leon Kennedy or Kiryu Kazima or have events where its the wild west
That's such a good comparison, and it's very weird to see. Rainbow Six: Siege was touted as this tactical shooter to end all tactical shooters; it had a lot going for it. It even was inspired by real life events I think, the plane being a really major one. Then there were microtransactions and seasons and all this other stuff which prolonged the games life but now I look back and I'm like how many operators are there?? Trying to keep track of each operator and their abilities would make my head spin. A game that I relate to this heavily is Modern Warfare (2019). It was advertised as going back to Cod's serious roots and I got it at launch and LOVED it. For the first month of the games life there weren't really any garish skins, there weren't any microtransactions, and everything was serious. It was crazy! Then, after that first month and all the big reviews had come out, the microtransactions started creeping in. They even had anime skins at one point. If you would have told me in 2012 that Cod would have anime skins I wouldn't have believed you. It's the trend now, I guess.
This was in my reccomended, And im glad so, i really enjoyed this video! I hope you keep making dope content!
the interaction is by far the best part of the game and I wish they kept the same level of detail for it in Payday 2