After Simon Viklund left, I thought that the music in Payday 2 would never be as good as it used to be. The new music composer (Gustavo Coutinho) has proven me wrong with all of his recent music. “Deadeye” and “Bonebreaker” are every bit as good as Simon’s tracks in my opinion.
Completely agree with those picks. One thing I liked about Viklund's later PD2 tracks was when he adopted the musical style of the heist location - something that Coutinho's started to inherit as well!
@@GameRevo I love the Mexican trumpets Gustavo used in all of the Silk Road heists. I’m very interested to see what music he created with the new DLCs releasing in 2021.
Fun Fact: On Watchdogs Day 1, if the escape driver dies while driving into the level (blowing him up after he spawns) he will actually crash the car in a special scene
I'll be honest, I've literally never heard the theories that the alternate assaults were tied to progression/specific heists before. I thought it was common knowledge since Ode to Greed that it was just random
I always liked when games go the extra mile with music. The combat layers that play in The Binding of Isaac when 6 enemies are in the same room. Parappa the rapper's music changes if your performance is bad. Ape out has dynamic music created by your own gameplay that gets more intense as you get more aggressive. Patapon has the fever side of the songs.
Ooh, I didn't know about any of these! I'll make a note to look at them sometime. Other great examples off the top of my head would be Furi and Nier Automata, though I'm sure there's plenty others I've just never seen!
It really does add something 'extra' to a game's soundtrack - thankfully, it seems to be a bit more common nowadays, but it's still rare enough to be a treat.
As someone that puts music over almost everything in games, Payday 2's soundtrack is just incredible, the diferent versions of one same track, sometimes becoming a different track depending on the situatuon, it makes it a incredible experience, sometimes i boot up cook off and let the bots do the work while i enjoy break the rules or any other track, not to mention the complexity of said tracks, giant props to Simon and Gustavo! They made a incredible job.
For me, Payday's soundtrack kinda reminds me of the Doom, or hell, even the DMC soundtrack. All 3 of those games have such an amazing variety of soundtracks. From "Bury the Light" to "I Will Give You My All" to "Meathook" or "Rust, Dust and Guts". All 3 are basically in all of my playlists. Especially Bury the Light. For some reason, it just never gets old.
Want to hear something funny? I started Payday 2 again after a long time, did Bank heist: Gold (Very Hard) with Deadeye as music for the first time and guess what i get? This alternative soundtrack from it. Edit: Happened again on this christmas heist with the presents
I'm glad someone talked about how the music works in-depth, I always loved this system and how smooth the changes between phases are despite the music being split into 4 parts thanks to the composers making their music in a specific way with this system in mind. When you've known how it works after a while, it's easy to forget how well thought-out this is, and it's nice to take a step back and appreciate how much effort went into making the music fit with the gameplay. Also it's always been satisfying hearing an alternative version for an assault track. Even years later me and my friend still get surprised and a bit hyped when we get the vocals for "Break the Rules", and I'm very glad they kept using this feature later on, even recently with Deadeye.
I disapprove of how little you talked about Ode to Greed, still my favourite theme from Payday 2. It fits Big Bank perfectly and when the opera part hits and you're fighting hundreds of cops at the same time while trying to carry the loot out... Perfect.
How the hell do you only have 1.58k subs?? This video showed up in my recommended and after watching it I was convinced that you had to be some large youtuber for a video that is this high quality with this much time put into it. This video is absolutely amazing and you've definitely earned yourself a sub, it's a shame I can only sub once lol. Keep up the absolutely amazing work my man!
Thanks! It's been a couple years of experimentation, and building subs is a bit slower that way. Doesn't bother me though! After all, this video seems to be doing well.
I asked myself that exact same thing! I watched the video since it kept showing up for like 3 days straight and I was hooked. I started went back and watched all the videos in order and was stunned by how little views they had! It's a damn shame! But he's definitely earned a sub from me too
This was one of the most in-depth videos about a game mechanic I've ever seen. To think that the same mechanic was used decades ago in Sonic is mind boggling.
Found this on my recommendations and I am glad I found your channel. Your videos (specially your newer video essays) have a ton of effort put into them and it shows the audio, editing and script are so clean. I hope to see more from you.
Music is such an important part of payday 2, Really hope they can get Simon Viklund back for payday 3 If not, I hope they at least port the payday 2 music, Just like they ported Payday The Heist's tracks. Also me and my friends came to the conclusion that the lyric parts are random, My friend had a manic obsessions with Break The Rules and Ode To Greed when we played, Those were on pretty much every loud heist. Not only do the lyrics come randomly, They don't necessarily trigger to all players at once. We also agreed that Big Bank and Scarface Mansion both had higher chances of triggering the lyrics, But naturally we had no actual hard data for it. Either way good video.
This is an amazing video, from such a small, underrated creator. Wish I found this sooner. You deserve more recognition this is fantastic content dude Fanboying aside; I've always wondered if the music in payday 2 plays in the Heister's head or if its like in some sort of headphone device thing, like how Bain's communication is probably only heard from the Heisters and not the enemies or civs, since having Bain's assistance be heard by everyone nearby wouldn't be good. Perhaps the music may just be a sign of how immersed or focused the Heisters get when things get loud, or stealthy Funnily enough, the game's soundtrack is what actually got me into the game. I Heard the "No Mercy - Blood Spillage" track on youtube from a video, and thought "isnt there a *second* payday game?" Then I then found Code Silver 2018 of which I, of course, instantly fell in love with, which lead me to watching videos on the actual No Mercy Heist, most notably GeneralMcBadass' video. After countless more listens and videos watched, I played the heist, loved it, and then played it again. ...about 17 times. The soundtrack just doesnt get old, or the close-quarters combat too, the throwing of grenades at shields out of my reach, the accidental slaughters of civs, and the many failed attempts at the beginning stealth part still get me jumping in my chair giddy with excitement. I've heard the second assault in No mercy on several different occasions though. But I really won't forget how the soundtrack and robbing of a Hospital was what got me into a Heisting game, and not a bank or jewelry store of which are the most iconic and popular just shows how unique and diverse Payday 2 is. It's a concept I didn't think twice about trying. Despite its clunky engine, its questionable realism, and other things, I cant believe I just turned a small thought about the music into a whole paragraph about how I got into the game because thats exactly how I found interest for the game in the first place. Thats how you know a game is just *that* good. Thanks for reading (or not reading) my large block of text, hope someone sees this (lol)
Man I just love that you spend so much time to hear that version of the song and when I hear the song for the first time I get the other version that you tried to get for so long.
Code Silver 2018’s alternate usually happens in the elevator section. I don’t know if it has a chance to happen during the rest of No Mercy, but that’s usually where I’ve heard it.
Huh, that's a good idea. I couldn't get it to appear consistently at that section but there's always the possibility that the chance of playing increases there. I did manage to get it to trigger once but it wasn't during the elevator.
I think that's because you're likely to encounter more assault waves whilst waiting for the elevator, as it's the longest section of the heist, especially if you're good at stealth. So you'll hear the assault portion more times, and therefore will have a higher chance of hearing the alternate version at least once.
I just wanna say how amazing yet gruesome it is that the bodies just pile up in hallways, to the point that you are wading through the corpses of your enemies... igs such an insane game
I use a mod called CustomOST to insert custom music in game, and it works on a random alt assault basis- you can even set the chance of the alt assault triggering. I think it’s most likely random chance with the official music too.
My fondest gaming memory was playing Meltdown on a higher difficulty than I or the randos in my lobby were ready for, getting the bare minimum to escape after getting the Longfellow stuck, just about to leave behind the rest of the loot in the warehouse when suddenly, the lyrics to Break the Rules started. We emptied the place of everything
I was on a heist, we couldn’t find a crowbar to progress, we were almost dead and we were knee deep in cops, I was shooting them left and right with my minigun, blaring “break the rules”... And the last things those cops heard before a massacre were “you and I...”
Never played Payday 2, but I did play Payday The Heist back in the day. But even now, I'll still listen to the soundtracks of both these games. Also, YT recomendations knocked it out of the park with this one. Checked out what else was on your channel and it seems pretty interesting, gonna check it out later! Subbed
I remember playing Scarface Mansion for the very first time, I was going through the story mode for fun, never having played before. I just got the vault up and started moving the cash and yayo. I'm throwing bags over the railing while firing my microgun, rushing to the van. Then I hear *"You and I...we've been going the distance..."*
Love the video, just wanna throw my two cents in with “bridging”. Sometimes desynch could happen so badly that the assault “never” happens, what I mean by that is that the assault is happening but somehow it skipped over actually starting the assault music, meaning the control version could be playing over it, or worse, the anticipation version and hear and endless 3 second loop.
@@GameRevo It’s not common I can safely say that, but it’s an occasional thing depending on how bad the desync is and even then it doesn’t happen most of the time.
I think I heard something about it being a bit more common on maps that are set in Mexico like San Martín Bank, Buluc's Mansion and (just maybe) border crossing.
I don’t use professional coding language, I use scratch. But I can explain the basics of what peer to peer is. In most coding languages there are these things called “variables” which just keep track of a certain number/phrase. Some variables can be linked to the internet itself, not a server. If an internet variable is set to a player’s xy and z positions and then sets those variables to their corresponding coordinates, that model’s positio. Is saved to the internet. Detecting certain online rooms to enter those coordinates into.
i think due to the fact the game have a system to send data trough other clients in case of issues to connecting to the host it could be called peer to peer, ... for example if theres 4 people in the game, player A host, and players bcd if player B have connection isssues to the host, the game will try to make player be send the data to player C to send to the host, to send back to C to then send to B just to keep the player connected.....
I already know exactly how it works since I used to be obsessed with modding Custom OST into this game... ...but this guy spent so much work on this video it would be a crime not to watch it.
Break The Rules does it for me when I'm the last one standing. In that moment, it's just me, the cops, the LMGs on my shoulders and the music blaring at 200%
Going from someone who spends way too much time listening to Payday's soundtrack compared to playing the game, a bit more elaboration on the specifics I've seen people annotate the stages the music work with. Most Payday tracks follow a select handful of stages, though not every song uses these stages. I'm gonna use Payback Roulette, the soundtrack of Black Cat, as an example/excuse cus that's the one I'm currently listening to in another tab: Stealth Intro: The very start of the heist, has a bit more flourish than you'd get by the stealth part just looping. Basically plays just at the start of the heist. Stealth: Self explanatory. Plays before the heist gets hot, basically all you hear in Shadow Raid. Control Intro: This usually plays by the time the cops are called, and acts as the bridge between Stealth and the Control phase, the game begins swapping to Loud Mode. Control: Control is the in-between phase where the assaults aren't happening and most the objective playtime's going on while the cops are a minor threat. Anticipation: The point where the assault's about to hit and the music starts to ramp up and ready for it. Anticipation End: The 'lagtime' part of the track brought up above as well. For Payback Roulette, this is simply a short jingle reminiscent of Gun Metal Grey. Assault Intro: The non-looping final ramp before Assault really starts up and signals the assault phase proper starting. Usually synced up with Bain saying something like 'NOW GIVE THEM HELL!' or similar. Assault: The really heavy hard part of the music. Shit's going down, bulldozers are banging doors in, good times had by all unless your kit isn't set up for this heist. Usually when Assault ends, we hit back to Control Intro, keeping up some of the previous tension of Assault but letting it wind back down to the Control phase.
I can't quite remember the specifics, but using the Contractor sniper with the Graze skill, and the Maniac perk deck with turrets should give you a strong starting point!
@@GameRevo thanks alot. Also good video I've always told people that you may hate things in payday 2 but we all love the sound tracks and use of music.
The Payday 2 soundtrack lived rent free in my mind since the game's launched even though I heard a few songs. Some time in late 2015 was the first time I saw John Wick and when I got to the Club Scene I thought it sounded like something out of Payday 2. I hadn't played the game at this point nor did I actually know about La Castle Vania or his songs in Payday 2 but, somehow, I just knew this guy was making music for the game. When you can pull this information out of thin air because you heard Razormind before is insanity.
The watchdogs escape video can actually be killed before he arrives because it’s stationed so close to the map before it arrives. Killing the escape driver was a common tactic for old challenge runs, which in turn has been made more difficult by ovk patching it slightly, so now you need a gl instead of an rl. Killing it early will proc the helicopter to come early, meaning you can escape with 0 bags and softlock yourself out of day 2.
It's funny that alternate versions of dead eye, break the rules, code silver 2018 and ode greed can be heard in when selecting the music for the heist And as much as you listen to them it can still happen that when you enter the heist the normal version sounds and not the alternative
I know this isn't the same, but Monster Hunter World has two versions of their battle themes, one for the usual theme, the other for when you are mounting and a monster. They made two separate tracks for this, however, as you can't tell when you'll mount a monster in combat. Again I know it's not precisely the same but to thought of that while listening to this. If ya want examples ya know where to find me man :)
the desync thing isn't actually desync and it's actually the assault being delayed so anticipation gets lengthened because of the number of hostages/heist triggers/a lot of other stuff. it seems to vary quite wildly but the music has nothing to do with being sync'd on your end, you can be offline and have this exact thing happen. this is however what I believe to be true. it might also factor in desync as well but idk completely. and yeah it's roughly 10% for the alt track to play
Yes please! I'm sure some people play these heists and never find out about the alternate versions. I like that it's rare, but I agree that it needs to be a bit more common.
I only got the game recently but break the rules is my favourite song in the game, I haven't heard anything else in the soundtrack that comes close to it imo (although it's all great music, break the rules is on another level)
Payday's soundtrack really is amazing. My fav payday song will probably be Break The Rules forever though, man did Simon Viklund do a good job with that one.
4:39 I have confidence that its not the case, I got alt soundtrack at literally first assault, so yea, those are completely random with, I think, better chances of happening during their deafult heists
I heard Deadeye for the first time yesterday in-game and now I realize I got the alternate version first time and just thought that's how the song was... Nice.
After 500 hours on PD2 I got Ode to Greed alt assault TWICE. 1st time was after breaching the vault, 2nd time was before I found the correct PC to hack.
so that is a thing i was doing hold out with a friend and they have a bad connection so I would go from having 4 turrets and one ammo bag to 10 turrets because of teh desync XD
Ah, you're absolutely right! My bad. Fortunately the desync discussion still applies, but yeah, it isn't necessarily peer-to-peer. Thanks for the clarification!
I mean if they dont do it already, they can base what version of an assault track plays based on drama. drama is a hidden number that determines the intensity of an assault wave (if i remember correctly i'm no expert)
Yeah, I read a little bit about drama! Super interesting mechanic, and I considered covering it here, but I ended up getting way too lost in the technical description. I couldn't find any confirmation that's how it works, but that's certainly one to put on the 'maybe' pile.
I always appreciate the pump up beat when you exit stealth, it’s like a walkway lighting up as you walk toward it slowly amping up as you start to accelerate.
The reference in the thumbnail is a little more obscure this time - I'll be impressed if anyone can work out what it is!
i still dont get the reference is too hard for me xd
i dont watch many music videos, instead i play the music in the bathroom
imma just guess its a red hot chilli peppers reference
Bruh i got that dead eye 2 time in my life lol
Deadeye only ever played the alternate version for me, I've never heard the original one in game
Is it Mudvayne? Prolly not
Hearing "You and I..." when the assault phase starts is always hype.
We've been going the distance!
@@thefrumentarii8909 Aiming for the sky
@@waffles6280 WITH A SECRET AMBITION
@@dnkakusei It's not our thing to walk the road that's pa-a-aved
We're not the ones who roam the trail that's bla-a-azed
A great example of an alternate version assault music is in Scarface mansion where the music can play sometimes with vocals or just instrumental
Break The Rules is a brilliant song! Really shows Viklund at his best.
Same as Ode To Greed in Big Bank
After Simon Viklund left, I thought that the music in Payday 2 would never be as good as it used to be.
The new music composer (Gustavo Coutinho) has proven me wrong with all of his recent music. “Deadeye” and “Bonebreaker” are every bit as good as Simon’s tracks in my opinion.
Completely agree with those picks. One thing I liked about Viklund's later PD2 tracks was when he adopted the musical style of the heist location - something that Coutinho's started to inherit as well!
@@GameRevo I love the Mexican trumpets Gustavo used in all of the Silk Road heists. I’m very interested to see what music he created with the new DLCs releasing in 2021.
@@beefjerky007 Apparently the upcoming heist is taking place in San Francisco .
Any ideas what that musical style could be?
Sucker Punch
@@acemcwolf5445 Possibly some rock guitar with some Asian instruments, since we're most likely going to Chinatown
Finally someone talks about assault intro after the anticipation
It's a curious lil' tidbit, and a nice solution to pd2's jank haha.
Fun Fact: On Watchdogs Day 1, if the escape driver dies while driving into the level (blowing him up after he spawns) he will actually crash the car in a special scene
I'll be honest, I've literally never heard the theories that the alternate assaults were tied to progression/specific heists before. I thought it was common knowledge since Ode to Greed that it was just random
at first there were shiny pokemon. Now, payday 2 has shiny music
That No Mercy section, dear god man, what the hell was the Commissioner doing?
I always liked when games go the extra mile with music.
The combat layers that play in The Binding of Isaac when 6 enemies are in the same room.
Parappa the rapper's music changes if your performance is bad.
Ape out has dynamic music created by your own gameplay that gets more intense as you get more aggressive.
Patapon has the fever side of the songs.
I agree. Its a shame that not a lot of games do this.
Ooh, I didn't know about any of these! I'll make a note to look at them sometime. Other great examples off the top of my head would be Furi and Nier Automata, though I'm sure there's plenty others I've just never seen!
It really does add something 'extra' to a game's soundtrack - thankfully, it seems to be a bit more common nowadays, but it's still rare enough to be a treat.
Metal Gear Rising, Killer Instinct 2013, and Doom 2016 also have dynamic music.
@@semendemon2734 Wasn't aware that KI 2013 had that! How does it work?
As someone that puts music over almost everything in games, Payday 2's soundtrack is just incredible, the diferent versions of one same track, sometimes becoming a different track depending on the situatuon, it makes it a incredible experience, sometimes i boot up cook off and let the bots do the work while i enjoy break the rules or any other track, not to mention the complexity of said tracks, giant props to Simon and Gustavo! They made a incredible job.
Aye, it's one of the few games where I've basically never muted the soundtrack. It's just so integral to the gameplay that it feels wrong without it.
Ahh yes another believers of Lord Viklund and his successor Coutinho
Aye, Coutinho had a lot to live up to but I think he really pulled it off with Silk Road. Can't wait to see what he does next.
For me, Payday's soundtrack kinda reminds me of the Doom, or hell, even the DMC soundtrack.
All 3 of those games have such an amazing variety of soundtracks.
From "Bury the Light" to "I Will Give You My All" to "Meathook" or "Rust, Dust and Guts". All 3 are basically in all of my playlists. Especially Bury the Light. For some reason, it just never gets old.
Want to hear something funny?
I started Payday 2 again after a long time, did Bank heist: Gold (Very Hard) with Deadeye as music for the first time and guess what i get? This alternative soundtrack from it.
Edit: Happened again on this christmas heist with the presents
I'm glad someone talked about how the music works in-depth, I always loved this system and how smooth the changes between phases are despite the music being split into 4 parts thanks to the composers making their music in a specific way with this system in mind.
When you've known how it works after a while, it's easy to forget how well thought-out this is, and it's nice to take a step back and appreciate how much effort went into making the music fit with the gameplay.
Also it's always been satisfying hearing an alternative version for an assault track. Even years later me and my friend still get surprised and a bit hyped when we get the vocals for "Break the Rules", and I'm very glad they kept using this feature later on, even recently with Deadeye.
Gonna make you salty I've only ever heard the alternate of deadeye I've never got the "normal" assault when I'm paying attention to be fair
I disapprove of how little you talked about Ode to Greed, still my favourite theme from Payday 2.
It fits Big Bank perfectly and when the opera part hits and you're fighting hundreds of cops at the same time while trying to carry the loot out...
Perfect.
It truly is an excellent song.
All these songs, all these alternate versions, and I'm still here listening to "Gonna Give You My All."
How the hell do you only have 1.58k subs?? This video showed up in my recommended and after watching it I was convinced that you had to be some large youtuber for a video that is this high quality with this much time put into it. This video is absolutely amazing and you've definitely earned yourself a sub, it's a shame I can only sub once lol. Keep up the absolutely amazing work my man!
Thanks! It's been a couple years of experimentation, and building subs is a bit slower that way. Doesn't bother me though! After all, this video seems to be doing well.
I asked myself that exact same thing! I watched the video since it kept showing up for like 3 days straight and I was hooked. I started went back and watched all the videos in order and was stunned by how little views they had! It's a damn shame! But he's definitely earned a sub from me too
Games that use music in a god tier way:
Diablo 1
Doom Eternal
Payday 2
All for different reasons but goddamn it's just so good.
Can i add red alert 3 to the list?
This was one of the most in-depth videos about a game mechanic I've ever seen. To think that the same mechanic was used decades ago in Sonic is mind boggling.
Found this on my recommendations and I am glad I found your channel. Your videos (specially your newer video essays) have a ton of effort put into them and it shows the audio, editing and script are so clean. I hope to see more from you.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully I live up to that standard haha.
Music is such an important part of payday 2, Really hope they can get Simon Viklund back for payday 3
If not, I hope they at least port the payday 2 music, Just like they ported Payday The Heist's tracks.
Also me and my friends came to the conclusion that the lyric parts are random, My friend had a manic obsessions with Break The Rules and Ode To Greed when we played, Those were on pretty much every loud heist.
Not only do the lyrics come randomly, They don't necessarily trigger to all players at once.
We also agreed that Big Bank and Scarface Mansion both had higher chances of triggering the lyrics, But naturally we had no actual hard data for it.
Either way good video.
This is an amazing video, from such a small, underrated creator. Wish I found this sooner. You deserve more recognition this is fantastic content dude
Fanboying aside; I've always wondered if the music in payday 2 plays in the Heister's head or if its like in some sort of headphone device thing, like how Bain's communication is probably only heard from the Heisters and not the enemies or civs, since having Bain's assistance be heard by everyone nearby wouldn't be good.
Perhaps the music may just be a sign of how immersed or focused the Heisters get when things get loud, or stealthy
Funnily enough, the game's soundtrack is what actually got me into the game. I Heard the "No Mercy - Blood Spillage" track on youtube from a video, and thought "isnt there a *second* payday game?" Then I then found Code Silver 2018 of which I, of course, instantly fell in love with, which lead me to watching videos on the actual No Mercy Heist, most notably GeneralMcBadass' video. After countless more listens and videos watched, I played the heist, loved it, and then played it again. ...about 17 times. The soundtrack just doesnt get old, or the close-quarters combat too, the throwing of grenades at shields out of my reach, the accidental slaughters of civs, and the many failed attempts at the beginning stealth part still get me jumping in my chair giddy with excitement. I've heard the second assault in No mercy on several different occasions though.
But I really won't forget how the soundtrack and robbing of a Hospital was what got me into a Heisting game, and not a bank or jewelry store of which are the most iconic and popular just shows how unique and diverse Payday 2 is. It's a concept I didn't think twice about trying. Despite its clunky engine, its questionable realism, and other things, I cant believe I just turned a small thought about the music into a whole paragraph about how I got into the game because thats exactly how I found interest for the game in the first place. Thats how you know a game is just *that* good.
Thanks for reading (or not reading) my large block of text, hope someone sees this (lol)
As someone who is a massive fan of Payday 2, this was a super fun watch. Love the editing style, you deserve so many more subs!
Happy to hear that you like the editing! I'll keep that in mind for future videos!
Man I just love that you spend so much time to hear that version of the song and when I hear the song for the first time I get the other version that you tried to get for so long.
Code Silver 2018’s alternate usually happens in the elevator section. I don’t know if it has a chance to happen during the rest of No Mercy, but that’s usually where I’ve heard it.
Huh, that's a good idea. I couldn't get it to appear consistently at that section but there's always the possibility that the chance of playing increases there. I did manage to get it to trigger once but it wasn't during the elevator.
I’m pretty sure it’s just a small chance. I’ve gotten the 2nd track before the elevator.
I think that's because you're likely to encounter more assault waves whilst waiting for the elevator, as it's the longest section of the heist, especially if you're good at stealth. So you'll hear the assault portion more times, and therefore will have a higher chance of hearing the alternate version at least once.
I love your work dude.
I just wanna say how amazing yet gruesome it is that the bodies just pile up in hallways, to the point that you are wading through the corpses of your enemies... igs such an insane game
Very informative video, you deserve more views. Nice Astolfo bean plushie there at 2:37 btw
He's a precious boi and if anyone harms him I will freak.
bro i was watching this is picture and picture mode and when you started talking about the alt of deadeye i got it i was sooo hyped great video!
WTF I GOT IT TWICE or does it repeat every time you get it ?
I use a mod called CustomOST to insert custom music in game, and it works on a random alt assault basis- you can even set the chance of the alt assault triggering. I think it’s most likely random chance with the official music too.
I love the mix of video essay and funny moments of the video. You did an excellent job.
Cheers! It's great to hear that you like that mix, that's something I'll try to introduce in more videos.
That's weird I didn't realize how rare the alt version was, it was literally playing for me yesterday
ive heard the alternate version of code silver once and i was like? wait is this the correct version what, i was freaking out on how good it was
My fondest gaming memory was playing Meltdown on a higher difficulty than I or the randos in my lobby were ready for, getting the bare minimum to escape after getting the Longfellow stuck, just about to leave behind the rest of the loot in the warehouse when suddenly, the lyrics to Break the Rules started. We emptied the place of everything
I've had Deadeye's alternate track kick in Cook Off after about thirty minutes, in Overkill, i think in the middle of the regular assault song
I was on a heist, we couldn’t find a crowbar to progress, we were almost dead and we were knee deep in cops, I was shooting them left and right with my minigun, blaring “break the rules”...
And the last things those cops heard before a massacre were “you and I...”
Trouble Always Inbound is beautiful.
Never played Payday 2, but I did play Payday The Heist back in the day. But even now, I'll still listen to the soundtracks of both these games.
Also, YT recomendations knocked it out of the park with this one. Checked out what else was on your channel and it seems pretty interesting, gonna check it out later! Subbed
Somehow I got Break the rules’ alternate assault on the first assault of a Prison nightmare heist, really didn’t expect it on such a random heist
That sonic spin transition was A1 bruh
I was worried it'd look too tacky haha! Glad it got some appreciation.
I remember playing Scarface Mansion for the very first time, I was going through the story mode for fun, never having played before. I just got the vault up and started moving the cash and yayo. I'm throwing bags over the railing while firing my microgun, rushing to the van. Then I hear *"You and I...we've been going the distance..."*
Love the video, just wanna throw my two cents in with “bridging”. Sometimes desynch could happen so badly that the assault “never” happens, what I mean by that is that the assault is happening but somehow it skipped over actually starting the assault music, meaning the control version could be playing over it, or worse, the anticipation version and hear and endless 3 second loop.
That's bizarre! Never experienced that myself, but given how jank PD2 can be at times, it doesn't surprise me!
@@GameRevo It’s not common I can safely say that, but it’s an occasional thing depending on how bad the desync is and even then it doesn’t happen most of the time.
Some days ago, I was playing Hell's Island with Break The Rules and the lyrics started when the point of no return timer triggered, it was cool.
Some of the banter in the in between sections of this video is hilarious
I think I heard something about it being a bit more common on maps that are set in Mexico like San Martín Bank, Buluc's Mansion and (just maybe) border crossing.
I don’t use professional coding language, I use scratch. But I can explain the basics of what peer to peer is. In most coding languages there are these things called “variables” which just keep track of a certain number/phrase. Some variables can be linked to the internet itself, not a server. If an internet variable is set to a player’s xy and z positions and then sets those variables to their corresponding coordinates, that model’s positio. Is saved to the internet. Detecting certain online rooms to enter those coordinates into.
Payday 2's multiplayer is actually not peer-to-peer. It's client/server, with one of the clients (the host) acting as a shared client/server instance.
i think due to the fact the game have a system to send data trough other clients in case of issues to connecting to the host it could be called peer to peer, ...
for example if theres 4 people in the game, player A host, and players bcd
if player B have connection isssues to the host, the game will try to make player be send the data to player C to send to the host, to send back to C to then send to B just to keep the player connected.....
I hear the alt Dead Eye a lot when I play. It might be that I’m not paying attention to it but I feel like I hear that trumpet all the time.
Mates: Are we gonna Be Stealth Or Loud?
Me: *ODE TO GREED*
Mates: Oh Sh*t ! Where is my Flamethrower
the transition at 9:11 was incredibly satisfying
I feel like the vocal version of Break The Rules plays every time I play Cook Off or Rats day 1. Usually on the third or fourth assault.
Your commitment to this video is impressive
"Understanding the music of PAYDAY 2"
I already know exactly how it works since I used to be obsessed with modding Custom OST into this game...
...but this guy spent so much work on this video it would be a crime not to watch it.
Break The Rules does it for me when I'm the last one standing.
In that moment, it's just me, the cops, the LMGs on my shoulders and the music blaring at 200%
The music in payday is so good I use it for my D&D sessions when ever there stelthing or when it goes totally wrong
Going from someone who spends way too much time listening to Payday's soundtrack compared to playing the game, a bit more elaboration on the specifics I've seen people annotate the stages the music work with.
Most Payday tracks follow a select handful of stages, though not every song uses these stages. I'm gonna use Payback Roulette, the soundtrack of Black Cat, as an example/excuse cus that's the one I'm currently listening to in another tab:
Stealth Intro: The very start of the heist, has a bit more flourish than you'd get by the stealth part just looping. Basically plays just at the start of the heist.
Stealth: Self explanatory. Plays before the heist gets hot, basically all you hear in Shadow Raid.
Control Intro: This usually plays by the time the cops are called, and acts as the bridge between Stealth and the Control phase, the game begins swapping to Loud Mode.
Control: Control is the in-between phase where the assaults aren't happening and most the objective playtime's going on while the cops are a minor threat.
Anticipation: The point where the assault's about to hit and the music starts to ramp up and ready for it.
Anticipation End: The 'lagtime' part of the track brought up above as well. For Payback Roulette, this is simply a short jingle reminiscent of Gun Metal Grey.
Assault Intro: The non-looping final ramp before Assault really starts up and signals the assault phase proper starting. Usually synced up with Bain saying something like 'NOW GIVE THEM HELL!' or similar.
Assault: The really heavy hard part of the music. Shit's going down, bulldozers are banging doors in, good times had by all unless your kit isn't set up for this heist.
Usually when Assault ends, we hit back to Control Intro, keeping up some of the previous tension of Assault but letting it wind back down to the Control phase.
I've heard the uncommon sound track quite a few times and NEVER noticed
That build you use in no mercy looks super fun. Must have plz.
I can't quite remember the specifics, but using the Contractor sniper with the Graze skill, and the Maniac perk deck with turrets should give you a strong starting point!
@@GameRevo thanks alot. Also good video I've always told people that you may hate things in payday 2 but we all love the sound tracks and use of music.
Well thought out, but your corpse limit gave me an aneurism.
The Payday 2 soundtrack lived rent free in my mind since the game's launched even though I heard a few songs. Some time in late 2015 was the first time I saw John Wick and when I got to the Club Scene I thought it sounded like something out of Payday 2. I hadn't played the game at this point nor did I actually know about La Castle Vania or his songs in Payday 2 but, somehow, I just knew this guy was making music for the game. When you can pull this information out of thin air because you heard Razormind before is insanity.
The watchdogs escape video can actually be killed before he arrives because it’s stationed so close to the map before it arrives. Killing the escape driver was a common tactic for old challenge runs, which in turn has been made more difficult by ovk patching it slightly, so now you need a gl instead of an rl. Killing it early will proc the helicopter to come early, meaning you can escape with 0 bags and softlock yourself out of day 2.
It's funny that alternate versions of dead eye, break the rules, code silver 2018 and ode greed can be heard in when selecting the music for the heist And as much as you listen to them it can still happen that when you enter the heist the normal version sounds and not the alternative
I know this isn't the same, but Monster Hunter World has two versions of their battle themes, one for the usual theme, the other for when you are mounting and a monster. They made two separate tracks for this, however, as you can't tell when you'll mount a monster in combat.
Again I know it's not precisely the same but to thought of that while listening to this. If ya want examples ya know where to find me man :)
That's cool! Reminds me of the bongos in Super Mario World whenever you ride Yoshi.
@@GameRevo That's another good relation, yeah.
the desync thing isn't actually desync and it's actually the assault being delayed so anticipation gets lengthened because of the number of hostages/heist triggers/a lot of other stuff. it seems to vary quite wildly but the music has nothing to do with being sync'd on your end, you can be offline and have this exact thing happen. this is however what I believe to be true. it might also factor in desync as well but idk completely.
and yeah it's roughly 10% for the alt track to play
3:59 ah yes like any normal patrol,you just start moonwalking up the stairs. Who doesnt?
They should increase the chances of the qlternate assaults to happen
Yes please! I'm sure some people play these heists and never find out about the alternate versions. I like that it's rare, but I agree that it needs to be a bit more common.
@@GameRevo I've listened to breaking the law so much I just always thought the lyrics were always there
@@johnd6006 They say the song is 100% triggered if Tony is in the crew but that might be just a myth.
@@ChisponGroxo I cant confirm that or not but I almost never have him in my crew unless some random I'm playing with is useing him
@@ChisponGroxo maybe because I purposefully select the song instead of it coming up random is what always gives me the lyrics
I feel bad for this man I swear deadeye alt track like always comes up for me I got it like 8 times out of 15 times played I think
You NEEEEED to come back
Only 1000 hours in 7 years? Damm...
I only got the game recently but break the rules is my favourite song in the game, I haven't heard anything else in the soundtrack that comes close to it imo (although it's all great music, break the rules is on another level)
Payday's soundtrack really is amazing.
My fav payday song will probably be Break The Rules forever though, man did Simon Viklund do a good job with that one.
"Guys, the thermal drill, go get it"
I’ve heard this while playing “the gauntlet”, it’s SO fucking cool
4:39 I have confidence that its not the case, I got alt soundtrack at literally first assault, so yea, those are completely random with, I think, better chances of happening during their deafult heists
I heard Deadeye for the first time yesterday in-game and now I realize I got the alternate version first time and just thought that's how the song was... Nice.
After 500 hours on PD2 I got Ode to Greed alt assault TWICE. 1st time was after breaching the vault, 2nd time was before I found the correct PC to hack.
Wow, that is... seriously unlucky. I wonder if the chances are the same for all songs.
9:14 that music played or a similar one when i was doing swing vote but the music was set to original track of the heist
I’ve heard that god damn techno Christmas song too many times. Why did I have to do the White House heist listening to that song.
so that is a thing i was doing hold out with a friend and they have a bad connection so I would go from having 4 turrets and one ammo bag to 10 turrets because of teh desync XD
I was playing aftershock when I heard Deadeye Alt and I thought that's just how it sounded.
Somehow a couple days ago I got the alternate track to play 3 times along with Ode to Greed's vocals guess I'm incredibly lucky.
Haha, must be! Ode to Greed's alternate version is great, so anytime it comes up when I play is appreciated.
Your Channel is underrated! I really like the video, it was very interesting!
should i be worried if i heard this AT LEAST TWICE during my FIRST AND ONLY buluc's mansion heist?
your HUD gave me epilepsy
I remember hearing the lyrical part of ode to greed on the first part of election day and thought the dozer was singing at me lel
One thing. Multiplayer is not PVP, host is the server. That is still a client-server architecture, just without a central server. Like Counter-Strike
Ah, you're absolutely right! My bad. Fortunately the desync discussion still applies, but yeah, it isn't necessarily peer-to-peer. Thanks for the clarification!
I mean if they dont do it already, they can base what version of an assault track plays based on drama. drama is a hidden number that determines the intensity of an assault wave (if i remember correctly i'm no expert)
Yeah, I read a little bit about drama! Super interesting mechanic, and I considered covering it here, but I ended up getting way too lost in the technical description. I couldn't find any confirmation that's how it works, but that's certainly one to put on the 'maybe' pile.
deadeye is diffirent on some maps cuz theyre based off places in mexico, which makes sense cause the silk dlc whatever features mexican heisters
That was some smooth editing at 9:11
I like how this man is using my re-texture project
I always appreciate the pump up beat when you exit stealth, it’s like a walkway lighting up as you walk toward it slowly amping up as you start to accelerate.
uhm, we probably shouldn't tell him about the mod that makes the alternate always play in the cycle after the normal assault phase has played
i just got alternate code silver today, i was doing the tutorial so it was quite short
This video is amazing! I found this channel by chance and I'm super happy I did, I'm definitely subscribing.
Never thought I'd see sonic music be compared to Payday 2.
Is it just me or does Break The Rules now play lyrics way more often?
Just the other day I got the lyrics almost every assault wave
5:29 jesus every room is filled with corpses.