Police say J. K. Rowling Posts are NOT Criminal
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The police should be sorting out dangerous crime and not wasting taxpayer's money pursuing petty so called offences.
Police have to uphold the laws passed by the legislators. You voted them in, maybe next time vote them out?
@@GinaSeay-kn7xr will do
Besides, in as much as I have understood this law, it invites neighbors, relatives et al to denounce others. That is a very risky issue! It sets members of a family or a community against each other. Where harmony should be fostered, you would be planting seeds of distrust. Privacy would be eradicated by law. The ripple effect of such an issue is unending.
@@lillyroth61 I think that is one of the reasons it was brought in, remember during c0v1d we were all invited to snitch on our neighbours, just like in Nazi Germany, best wishes
@@user-cg2eb1gq7i I had the same flashback! It is scary.
I don't have a problem with people calling themselves whatever the hell they want. But do NOT try to bully me into agreeing with your delusions.
Totally agree with you
Or coming into ladies toilets, I wear jeans daily I don't go to the men's room 😅
This
I have a huge issue with it.
I have a problem with men exposinng their private parts in front of women and girls, a bigger problem with men assaulting women and children annd the biggest problemm with a system patting them on the head, calling them women and putting them IN women ´s prisons to protect them from men. If polite phrasings , which were used for thousands of years- like men and women-, lost there meaning due to this utter BS , let us state facts. Penis goes with penis, vagina with vagina. A little less crass would be XY to XY and XX to XX.
I want to scream at the top of my lungs. Why and what kind of crazy world have we allowed people to be treated like criminals for TWEETS?????
One in which a substantial number of people who engage in such activity cannot do so without incorporating chauvinistic behaviour that is harmful to those on the receiving end. That platform in particular is rife with such behaviour, frankly.
@@abody499 Get bent
The world in there perverts like Klaus Schwab rule
@@abody499 With regards to the law then behaviour is only "harmful" from the point of view of a reasonable person. These platforms are rife with unreasonable people who disingenuously claim to have been harmed.
Well viable threats should be taken seriously. But... those are extremely rare.
It's shameful and disgusting I'm with JK Rowling. Women and girls need protection
Much agreed and a man with his dick in a swimsuit does not constitute a women if upsets anyone fuck you
One millionaire who can afford any prosecution, and whom police might not touch due to her notoriety does not protect women and girls - it's a question of rules for me and not for thee, just like no black people benefitted from OJ Simpson being able to hire high priced lawyers to get him off for murder.
Protected from what? How many men do you know or read about who have gone into a toilet for example been charged or jailed, and whether said persons were actually transgender or men pretending to be transgender? Reminds me of the 1980s and the hate towards gays, with comments like " keep your kids away from the gays". What i find shameful and disgusting is how people are jumping on the bandwagon and turning this new law all about transgender. At least the black belt barrister is sharing what said law actually means. I know a few transgender people who just want to get on with their lives and be left alone to do so. Not all trans people are out protesting this that and the other.
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz😂😂😂 you are funny
Also men and boys as well if you've been following the culture for the last 15 years.
What about the hatred being caused by Humza and his new law?
good question.
such as?
@@abody499
Too many white people in Scotland-- that's Humza's most-known argument.
@@WAEVOICE doubled down on by Sarwar! Let's not ignore him
@@WAEVOICE he never said that. I know it and so do you
She might not have been charged BUT she probably has had her name added to the police NCHI database and not been told. Being charged is not the only issue.
👀
100% correct, but she’s a smart wealthy lady. I’m sure she’ll have her Lawyer onto that.
The rest of us poor souls will be kept in the dark regarding what’s on file!!
I cannot imagine the mind of a person who thinks Rowling should be charged or the politician who thinks misgendering someone is a criminal act.
And the next election in Scotland isn't until 2026 ☹️
Gender today is also a matter of opinion. You don't have to agree if you disagree.
@@rudygong7477 Apparently, the Scottish legislators don't tolerate opinion or disagreement. Their new law requires us to call a man a "woman" and our opinions (or his chomosomes) don''t count.
@@rudygong7477 According to the Scottish legislator's new law, neither disagreement nor opinion is tolerated. Failure to call a man a woman in spite of his chromosomes is now illegal. Hurray for JK for rubbing their noses in it.
@@rudygong7477 Not anymore in Scotland.
After the backlash police have decided: "Oops, best go after easier targets!"
Cannot believe this is happening in a country that produced Robbie Burns, Walter Scot, John Buchan...
2 poets and an anti-semite. Not sure why you would think they have absolutely any effect on anything anymore?
Stop trying to hide behind pretentiousness
Unfortunately, the rest of us don't have Rowlings clout
Maybe, but also we don’t have her visibility. She has and is enduring a lot of abuse over her stance. She’s a brave lady.
Shes paving the way for the common person.
So what?
You just don't accept this nonsense, ever.
Just be careful with your language................use ''detest' instead of 'hate'. It worked for Sturgeon.
@jibberism9910 I don't, never have done. I'm just saying that these laws are designed to target the little people not the Rowlings of the world. Being a nationalist, I'm used to it
If the SNP threaten that they will be standing in the election report them to the police.
Ha ha ha !!!!
1st day they had 3000 complaints. If that number stays up, 365x3000=1.095.000 complaints per year for the police. Each and everyone must be investigated.
Are they going to attracted new personnel to deal with the added workload? If so that will be a disaster in and of itself as these people will be poorly screened, trained and probably woke zealots .
if your wondering 16,600 police officers in scotland overall. if each day is 3000, in a 6 days their would be more complaints than officers.
I think most of them were about Yousless's and Sarwar's 'white, white white' speeches.
The police cherry pick what they investigate. You didn't listen to the video. They want to investigate non-violent crimes because it's easy, where theft, physical assault, etc., can be dangerous. Heaven forbid they actually do something that protects the public.
This should have been made clear from the start
As a Scotsman I am ashamed
Politicians in Scotland should read 1984
East Germany in the Cold War
What have we become
Enlightened people?
David Hume turning in his grave
Since when an insult is criminal?! Who get to decide what's insulting or not? What about freedom of speech and opinion?
Exactly.
That’s the problem now here in Scotland. It’s bad enough on you tube with censorship. If someone is being a d*ck you should be allowed to say you are being a d*ck.
@@jackspring7709 What about hate speech?
@@slake9727 What about hate speech? There are already incitement laws in place to deal with dangerous people. This new "law" makes it possible for the police to prosecute anyone who says something they don't like - and that was its intention, which, unfortunately a lot of people don't understand. No doubt you'll understand some day, to your great cost, that this was put in place to silence you as well as anyone else. They just introduced it in a way that it could be snuck in right under the radar of people like you.
@@slake9727 I replied to your question but my reply was deleted. In short - there has always been incitement laws to protect people. This law is to prevent people from criticising the government - and it will be used against you some day. Bon appetit.
I simply go thru life doing my best to not ever cause Intentional harm.
One can harm another’s emotions simply by denying a date or dinner attempt.
Is getting quite ridiculous out there.
Being inoffensive won't protect you from these people.
@@marieparker3822 sadly true. That’s why all commercial companies carry aggregate insurance now.
The freedom to insult is inherent
Someone needs to test this law regarding religion.
We have already seen Christians arrested for praying and preaching .and our churches invaded by Hamas supporters.
This will be its primary use. This is blasphemy law, introduced to protect the "religion of peace"
Super. JK Rowling wouldn't go down lightly anyway. One for the girls 👧
And a few more book sales for her too eh
@UmaTurtle Me too, but it's a nice by-product. Personally, I don't like her. I would say that more strongly, but free speech doesn't exist on this platform. Now where's the legislation for that...
@UmaTurtle "common sense" haha it would be good if that wasn't an oxymoron
@UmaTurtle because it virtually never refers to actually sensible views. instead, it's used by people whose "sense" is virtually guaranteed to be a reproduction of the views of someone else who is in the same boat.
@UmaTurtle there's no sense in common sense
So if her posts regarding this aren't criminal, neither are anyone else's.
Poor legislation.
I'm concerned that we are going to lose our rich tradition of 'an Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar' jokes.
An Englishman an Irishman and a Scotsperson walk into a garden centre, the Scotsperson is kicked out in case he takes a fence.
An Englishman, Irishman, Welshman and Scotsman walk into a bar in Fife. Everyone gets arrested. The end.
An Englishman standing at the English, Scottish border expressing his opinion but the Scotsman finds it offensive, is the Englishman breaking the law or expressing his freedom of speech.
most likely not from what i can understand.
an example of where this new law might apply is at an old firm game between rangers and celtic, sectarian language could be used which would aggravate and annoy the other side, said by one person to annoy a group from the other side, which would in the past lead to possible fighting, but now might lead to the arrest of the person who started it (if could be picked out) with use of this new law. as well as mouthing off from the other side and probably fighting.
Once you cross the border into Scotland, then they will arrest you, for you have offended the person and that person makes a complaint to the Scottish authorities.
Depends on what is being said, but the Englishman, as long as he is in England, is not subject to Scotland-specific laws.
A better version of this question is: If both say something which would run foul of the hate speech laws of both regions and they are both in their own homes, who is in trouble. The answer is the Scotsman. From what I understand, the English/Welsh version covers public spaces - the far more draconian version covers all spaces - including peoples' homes. If you're in Scotland, your family or friends could you report you to the police for telling a very edgy joke at the Christmas dinner table while a bit tipsy.
These hate speech laws are pernicious.
The Scottish Police recording an NCHI against an individual is worrying as individual is not notified as 1 Tory MSP found out to his shock. Are there Data Protection Issues regarding this secret Police register list? Is there a FOI issue? Could one take the Police to Court by way of a Judicial Application to appeal to get one's name removed?
The hate crime act is actually a hate crime in itself. It’s a crazy act and it’s too blurry. So much of it doesn’t make a lot of sense. It’s stupidity at its finest. Johnathon Pie’s video on it is bang on. 💯💯😂
🤣🤣🤪😜
To quote the Dead Kennedys "the law don't mean sh!t if ya got the right friends that's how this country's run ... "
That's how the elites like it! It's set up to give us noobs the feeling that there's some kind of justice.
Daniel
Good evening.
Common Sense at last. The pendulum has gone too far in my humble opinion.
Best
It went too far when convicted rapists were being housed with women. In fact it went too far when we were all expected to buy into the delusions of others.
I admire her courage. A true feminist defending her rights, her boundaries, her opinion, and that of others. Too much bullish for the other side.
Yes. It's just that: an opinion, not grounded in any fact or reality.
@@thesingerintheshower my opinion is grounded on science only, not wishful thinking.
@@rudygong7477 it's really not
I'm unfamiliar with JK Rowling's opinions beyond that she is (possibly was) quite left wing and has issues with some of the attempts to define what a woman is (attempts which I myself reject as well - for logical and good reasons).
I ask as I highly dislike current day feminism, as it's a supremacy movement which disdains men & boys for simply existing., where-as the old school version was more about equality (it still had its extremist nut jobs of course, just like every movement).
@@banedon8087 I believe JKR and you share the same vision of feminist ideal and goals.
If the Scottish police don't want to make a total fool of themselves, they probably have to come to that conclusion - in front of a well-known person like J.K. Rowling.
Police Scotland, a Corporation by the way. Have already made a fool of themselves when they started arresting Grannies for having a Picnic.
I blame the SNP it’s their law and the Police have been left to deal with their mess
might this not be a cop out (unfortunate pun ) by the police as they have realised very quickly the almighty shit storm there would be if they did arrest her ? By saying, "Nothing to see here " they've saved themselves from having to take a massive bite of a huge shit sandwich. Great news for the magnificent JK Rowling though.
Hahahaha, she does have a few quid in the bank too and could afford the best lawyers 🙂
I was thinking similar; us relative nobodies might not be as fortunate, not that I'm suggesting that 2 tier policing is a thing, of course it isn't!!
Or maybe she just didn’t break the law and no action was required
The real test will be what happens when someone who isn't immensely rich and famous gets reported for saying such things.
@LewisPhillipson I would love to reply to you, but I don't think you could handle the truth😂
Insulting?
They're going to have to police patrol the Edinburgh Fringe festival... the crimes committed will be rife!!
Being openly charged and allowed your day in court is stressful enough. What people are really worried about is the secretive None Crime Hate Incidents being recorded against your name without you knowing about it.
If you live in Scotland, send in your Subject Access Request Form on a regular basis. The best way to get rid of bad laws is to enforce them strictly, after all!
Good for Joanne. Keep going girl. Does this law protect women's rights to call themselves women without MEN who think they're women calling the police?
Read that again and tell me that's what you meant to write.
No-one has ever told women, they can't call themselves women.
I wonder if there were 3000 true complaints or 2999 bots generating these ‘complaints’
I'm scripting a complaint agianst Sturgeon as we speak for her diatribe against Conservative and Unionist voters. They thought the law didn't apply to them .................
They were complaints about Humzas anti white speech
Figure now at 8000 plus demonstrations at scottish government
It’s worth remembering who is in power and exactly what they’ve been up to in Scotland, this has more to do with them not wanting criticism
while watching vids just like this on my phone I glanced up as a bus passed by and my eyes became fixed on the advertisement on its side of a new film called CIVIL WAR
If say, a very vicious and litigious person makes multiple reports where the police subsequently find no offense has taken place, surely would it not be perfectly reasonable to charge such a person with wasting police time?
I think it would be better if she had been arrested and the legislation tested
SNP don't want their transgender fantasy bubble burst, it's their cover for what's slithering in underneath it
Seems she wasn't only cos she was not in the UK at the time. But yeah, would have set the bar high, as a precedent case.
@@ScorpIron58 Well they could pick on softer targets, less high profile and able to defend themselves. Or just arrest and question people at will on the suspicion of committing an offense and then just release without charge so the lawfulness of the arrest is never tested. Reminds me of 'causing nuisance or annoyance' in the public order act 2023.
with great wokeness comes great irresponsibility and stupidity.
The question then is, if JK was in Scotland at the time and posted the tweets would they have then acted? (was her location at time of tweeting a factor?) and has a record of this non-crime hate incident recorded against her name should she ever visit Scotland?
I recognise 2 genders male snd female, you can be what ever you want to be, but i dont have to believe it
Two sexes, not genders. The British mealy-mouthedness about using the word sex is part of what got us into this mess!
Luckily you aren't half as important as you think you are, and no-one but a select few are going to read your comment. But i bet you creamed yourself when you saw the comments getting likes :)
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz you should know!
Let's see how "free speech" is addressed by this law in Scotland, when anybody expresses their rightful "free speech" that concentrates on JKR & or women & girls.
They just didn't want someone with the finances and public persona to challenge the law in the higher courts. Normal everyday citizens will be treated much differently. Definitely a hollow victory.
The law will be applied selectively. Those who can't afford to speak up, and don't have a voice are the ones who will suffer.
Only if they are white.
The trans argument is a distraction, though a huge thank you to JK Rowling, but the real aim of this legislation is to protect Islam from ANY criticism.
Look , Islamis fascists will give you a thousand reasons to condemn it every single day of the week ....your language should be measured and state the facts. I detest that the Islamist group Taliban want to stone women to death for adultery.
Absolutely.
So right in my view, this is a vehicle to use against people when they criticise Muslim extremists.
I’m not so sure. It’s notable that women are not protected by the new act. Also, the transgender community and particularly trans activists are unbelievably thin skinned.
@@christophergray1977 disagree, Islamic fascists give you a hundred reasons a day to criticise extremism , if you stick with the facts as you preceive them. The qu'ran contains plenty you can criticise , beat your wife if she disobeys , kill non believers etc etc
What would be criminal is any law that limits free speech.
I heard - and I don't know if this is true, but it's relevant - that the reason Police Scotland gave for JKR's tweets not being criminal is that she was abroad when she made them. Would it have been different if she had been in Scotland at the time? I wonder if the police are making it up as they go along because the law is badly drafted.
The SNP will never arrest a personality like JK. They don't want the bubble of trasgenderism burst. That's their cover for what's slithering in underneath it
That can't be right. They are deemed to be published in Scotland if they can be read in Scotland.
The fact nobody knew how the police would treat her comments, and that it's by no means clear whether they will treat other people the same, just shows what a bad law this is.
You said the bill had been delayed to allow time for police training. It’s being reported by police officers themselves that this training only commenced in the past few months and comprised of a 2 hour online course! Very extensive training - NOT!
Was JKR actually in Scotland when she posted the ‘offensive’ tweets on X? I know she was at some point out of the country as she challenged Police Scotland to arrest her on her return. Does where she was when posting matter? Is Scottish law now supra-national. So I can stir up racial hatred in Uzbekistan and yet be arrested for it when I pop to see my granny in Arbroath?
from what i read, being here in canada, if i were to post something in scotland, or even england, they could charge me and issue a warrant for my arrest here in canada, and then i would have to be extradited. scotland is lost.
Salman Rushtie knows all about this type of law.
@@harry.flashman yuppers!
The Scottish first minister introduced this law so no one can criticise Islam that’s the real reason
The western world's gone mad, Great Britain gone mad.
It's been headed down this road for 30 years, but ramped up since 2008.
How can her comments NOT be an offence under the legislation as enacted?
Surely the Scottish Police must be challenged? Police forces are charged with enforcing the law. They cannot pick and choose. If they ARE allowed to do so then they are in effect exercising powers they do not possess. That is a very dangerous situation to acknowledge.
The First Amendment in the United States Federal Constitution (and principles e.g. Brandenburg v Ohio) should be the standard for laws on speech, religion, expression, and more. The state shouldn't be involved in the business of censorship.
So go into a crowded movie theatre and yell, "Fire," several times. Let's see if you get arrested when it is determined there was no fire.
@@slake9727 nice myth
@@slake9727 LMAO THAT OLD FARCE! Wow you still believe in that lie? Yes! You can yell “fire” in a crowded theater. All you have to do is google that idiotic talking point, and see that their is no law disparaging one from doing that such act. Wow how embarrassing you look. 😂
I think that the last 15-20 years have proven that we in the UK need such a thing. Wont happen of course.
The police would 100% consider it criminal if it was not a big celeb like J K .
Doubtful
@@pixiedragon83 You'd be surprised. The police have been caught be over zealous with regards this type of "crime" and only backed down when their antics were made public - usually when their target is a public figure. You have to remember that many of the police these days went through the university system which has a tendency to indoctrinate and radicalise people into certain beliefs.
Time will tell, I guess.
So far, so good. However, let’s wait and see what happens next
I Stand With JK Rowling. Trans-Women are MEN
Or to put it even more simply, men are men.
🤣 Stop it!
Some people think there's no such thing as a "trans woman". A man in a dress, is still a man. Technically.
@@S.TradesI agree. Don't use their made-up language. There's no such thing as a "cis woman" either. Just woman, adult human female. 👍😀
@@S.TradesThe dress would have to be lifted to enable the prostate to be checked!
That's the beauty of hate laws: the Government can decide whether someone is a criminal or not, depending on who did the deed.
This is an extreme case of the super squeaky wheel getting all the grease
Today...they're not criminal today. Give them a few days or weeks to let the focus shift away then they'll find them suddenly criminal.
Let's just hope that the police are choosing not to pursue J K Rowling because she is a high profile person who might attract bad publicity for the police & these new laws, but then later choose to pursue lesser known people for very similar things (because they may be less likely to attract publicity).
I think she wanted the day in court to embarrass the SNP and this law, not sure its a triumph.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba You don't understand it or what I said, trying to be clever with A pseudo intellectual argument. Laws can be changed if the will is there, and once they realise this does not, will not work without turning Scotland into one massive open Prison it will be changed or watered down. What this is law is and could be is so damaging to Scotland
@@dandy193 Although it's possible that such laws can be changed, you have to take into account that you're really dealing with a cross-party elite political class who virtue signal to each other by creating such laws and to strike such a law down would make them look bad. Also, it would then be used by their enemies (naturally). Combine those two things and there will be a great deal of reluctance to reverse course.
Hasn’t some of the police training been from Stonewall - who are hardly impartial, nor legal experts
BBB - The fact that police won't prosecute JK Rowling isn't really a big "win" for free speech in my opinion.
JK said she was not in Scotland as she posted the tweets therefore surely the Scottish police CANNOT prosecute whether they wanted or not since JK was out of their jurisdiction. The first thing police would need to prove is that Scots law applies
If that's the case with regards her location then your assessment is correct. Scottish specific law only applies in Scotland and the "crime" has to take place there.
@@banedon8087 - Well, that applies to all other crimes and JK made a point, at the end of her tweets, saying she was out of Scotland, and looked forward to seeing if Police would arrest her on her return. I'm glad to see you agree, and I'm puzzled as to why no-one else has highlighted this. Most just talk about how rich and well known she is!
@@topcat1358 The rich/celebrity side brings scrutiny and makes the police be careful and cautious wherr otherwise they might be more heavy handed. Not JK Rowlings fault - just the say it works. I think people 1) don't like and ate fearful of this legislation and 2) dislike the double standards that we have to all put up with
Whereas such words spoken/written by the "smallfolk" will be viewed somewhat differently.
If someone on Twitter/X who resides in Wales or England or even outside the UK "offends" someone in Scotland will they then be investigated?
First Minister Humza Yousef said at Holyrood that the bar for arrest and prosecution would be set fairly high, as free speech must not be limited the way that many people think it will. Where there is genuine abuse, stirring up of hatred or violence then yes, it MAY be criminal, but holding an opinion that people dont like is not
You really believe Useless? The bar for reaching the criminal threshold in this law is actually very low, and includes situations where a defendant may even have to prove their innocence, which is very unusual in criminal law. One of the criteria is that a complainant may find a remark 'insulting'.
@@carltaylor6452 I WANT to believe him, but only time will tell. I agree that finding a comment insulting seems a ridiculous way to classify it as a crime, but again, I live in hope that common sense will prevail in most cases (although not MUCH hope).
@@andyrobertson7315just overwhelm the system with 'insult'' protests against the SNP and their violent supporters.
Gawd bless you , so sweet that you believe someone who has just swiped your inherent right to free speech and reduced your country to one of third world status of oppression. Please don't wake up too soon, it's horrible out here in the real world😂😂
@@bigbinji6145 well that would certainly be a productive use of the legal system.....oh wait no, it would be idiotic
Who gets to define what "a reasonable person" is?
What is considered a "reasonable person" now-a-days? Definitions change like the wind. Things that are considered unreasonable today are madness.
Thank you for explaining!
Totally on side with JK Rowling on her stance protecting biological women’s rights.
She's not - you've just chosen to see it that way due to your phobia of trans people.
Being overwhelmed with complaints that they say they will investigate is worrying, it could mean that they won't investigate properly, it will probably be automated and lead to people just being called guilty to make it easy on the system, it will be down to you to prove your innocense, and only then will a human do any investigation. It will be like an automatic parking fine. Worrying.
Politicians worldwide seem to have a tendency to rule by law aspects of our life that cannot be solved just by deciding they are ilegal or unlawful. Hate is one of those issues. We would all like to live in a society where hate is eradicated. However, you cannot do that just by passing a law. Basically, complex issues like hate need to be addressed in a systemic and intelligent way. Just passing a law is neither of both.
The reality of being a non-celebrity woman in Scotland is very different though. There have been a number of feminist woman witch hunted by PS here, dragged to the police station after complaints of transphobia made against them. They are not charged but the stigma of what happened remains and is noted by employers. This law was being tested well before its release.
The double standards PS play when it comes to women is immense, last year i was taken of my bike by a man overtaking a bus, who then just sped up and drove at me. I got nothing but coffee and cake talk, no effort to question the bus driver who he overtook or get any other witnesses. I was lucky to not be seriously hurt. Yet if i was to openly in public say that men in a bit of lippy shouldn't be allowed into womens social cycle events and said men complained, they'd be onto me in a day.
Thank goodness for that 👍
I really think there are far more important issues going on in the world that need addressing. It will fuel hatred rather than eradicate it.
I’m sure this has nothing to do with JK having the resources to fight the charges. Wait for the average joe writes the same tweets and see what happens.
Thank you
What is also disturbing is the fact that even if your innocent you get put on a register
here is the hard truth if you are RICH Or brown this law/Bill Will not stop you
but if you are White its open season on us
ok Odin
Brown??
The thought police have been alive & well in the UK for many years now - it's just that their actions have not always attracted a lot of publicity - especially against lesser-known people who may not be as much in the public eye.
A number of years ago, police paid a home visit to a person because they had made a comment/post on a social media site, which included a quote of something another commenter had previously said.
Apparently, someone found that quote offensive, & reported the person who had quoted it in their post (not the person who had originally posted it) to the police - as they obviously did not like it for some reason.
This resulted in the police visiting the person in their home, & questioning them about their post. Amongst the things which the police said to the person was " we're just here to make sure your "thinking" is correct".
This demonstrates that the UK police believe part of their role is to monitor/police people's thoughts, in addition to anything they may say/write in social media.
I just hope that it's eventually made clear to the police that they should not be trying to police people's thoughts, or arresting them for "wrong thinking". How can they sufficiently prove, in a court of law, that someone's "thinking" was not correct, if they have not also stated it out loud, or put it into writing? Or were these police officers just a couple of "rogue" police - a case of "police gone bad"?
I can't recall what ultimately came of that situation, but fortunately the person did manage to capture most of that police encounter in an audio recording.
Good reasonable analysis. The police being called out about people insulting other people is very 1984.
I think police Scotland quickly realised that it's one thing prosecuting working class people calling bouncers names and another thing prosecuting high profile extremely wealthy people who have all the resources in the world.
Want an example of inequality? Here it is.
Ive been offended by the Crankies for decades.
What do we know about the "non crime" element, have these complaints been recorded in that fashion?
I was going to ask if JKR’s posts can be used as an example of what is now legally acceptable. But you covered that, so thank you. ❤
Yeah!
If someone elsewhere in the U.K. posts on Twitter something which someone in Scotland finds offensive- can they be pursued either in England or in Scotland if they cross the border into Scotland.
Yes
to early to cheer folks, she is a high profile celeb, we aren't
I was under the impression that it was an offence to waste police time
I can't think of anything more un-British than the criminalizing of calling someone a bellend.
The police would say that at the moment ,fearing public backlash , but 5 years down the line ? PS It is police chiefs etc that decide policy ,not the ordinary copper .
This basically proves the point that I made on your other, related clip. The purpose of the new law is to be able to prosecute serious hate crime more easily. Anything non-serious will be quickly dismissed.
Does this law only apply if committed in Scotland? Surely Scotland cannot pass a law which applies to His Majesties subjects in England and Wales.
everyone post the same thing then see who the police charge
Well, there is always the insult of abusing people stating scientific facts, and then those who incite abuse and intimidation of people doing so. I would say this law can be applied against the so called "woke" crowd themselves and is not the wrapon they think it is
Daniel, if the 'UK' defends freedom of speech 💬 that surely overrides this nonsense in Scotland?
So…Does one have to reside IN Scotland for such an offence to be pursued by Scottish police….or is more a case of if the offended person(s) reside in Scotland….This is important since internet has no national boundaries.
Do you have a source link for the actual Police Scotland statement? Because so far this afternoon, not a single news outlet, including the BBC, have linked to it? Without the linked source, it's not trustworthy. What did they do, ring up and get some civilian jobsworth on the front desk?
Indeed, I'd like to know the grounds for Police Scotland saying her tweets did not reach the criminal threshold. Why? Apparently, they also confirmed that they had received thousands of complaints on 1 April and that hundreds were made about JKR, but I haven't seen an official statement.
I'm pretty sure 'variations of sexual characteristics' refers to DSDs (differences or disorders of sexual development - often referred to as 'intersex'), not sex per se. Sex is not a protected characteristic under this legislation.
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