Michigan Police Sergeant Doesn't Know The Law
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Are you a lawyer ATA??
I live in Illinois, which is a stop and I.D. state, but i'm still not clear on what that means. An officer still has to suspect me of a crime before i give identification .. correct ? Would love to see a whole episode of content on the subject and scenarios.
I would think the intent of abandonment would apply to the law.
please make note, the police chief just resigned
Shit, i have to stop watch these videos neither my heart nor bloodpressure is reaping any benifits for this. A toan with these policemen need to have a solid economy to handle the legal processes...
Perhaps the Genesee Police Department should be cited for littering. They've put two pieces of garbage in a public place.
By their logic everibody can search theyr cars since they are leaving them unatended thus littering
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa!... Daaaaammmnnn! Roasted!😮🔥🔥🔥🤣
fuckin got em
Not sure if you can cite the department for littering but he certainly can give the officer a personal ticket for littering. They aren't above laws to protect nature just because they are cops.
Cop sees a guy: “I wonder if he hates cops?”
Cop has a bright idea: “let’s go over there and ensure that he does”.
I think cops get off on getting people to hate them.
@@edwardmiessner6502 im starting to think that to
Eddiebruv...👍🏽
@@edwardmiessner6502 they absolutely do. It stems from the Us vs Them mentality that begins the first day of training.
I'm not a psychologist but I can imagine that wielding power breeds a mindset of maintaining that power and the only way to do that is with forced compliance and intimidation.
Earning their hate
Guilty until proven innocent mentality. Serving their ego instead of serving the public trust. Pitiful
Prove it! And if you are right then become a cop and arrest them all
My brother-in-law went to school with officer Stochi. He said he was picked on in highschool and was a loner. So that being said it makes sense that he is using his badge to assert authority on people that remind him of kids in school that picked on him.
So he considered the bag to be suspicious in a way that might harm children, but has no problem picking it up and rifling through it?
Is there anything in your pocket that might poke, cut or stick me? He didn't ask.
I was thinking the same thing
There were no children as stated in the beginning of the video.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. If he was seriously concerned about it possibly containing a bomb, wouldn’t he have called for a bomb squad to come out and make sure the surrounding area was evacuated?!? Obviously he was just searching for something to post-justify his initial contact.
Yup, dude's an effing hero, putting himself on the line like that.
I'm surprised the Sergeant isn't dizzy from all that circular logic he's laying out.
I wonder if his asshole is jealous due to all the shit that comes out of his mouth.
Also wonder how he's not exhausted from jumping both to conclusions _and_ to different lines of argument when the guy correctly defeats his logical fallacies.
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@@robertdrouhard4293 they're talking circles on purpose to get you emotional and get your thought process all messed up so it's hard for you to articulate a verbal defense on the spot.....it's just the same as when they talk about how narcissist keeps shifting the argument to control the pace of the conversation
@@willybshreddn3794 I think you give cops too much credit. They aren't that smart or intellectually skilled.
“In this crazy world we live in”, it’s even more important for people to know their constitutional rights.
I got questioned by a detective once on the side of the road, being accused of something I didn't do. She kept asking me why are you so nervous? I explained that I've seen numerous examples of people being wrongfully convicted of crimes and later exonerated and I was scared of going to prison for something I didn't do and she just rolled her eyes at me like that doesn't happen. It was insane. At one point I told her I knew our conversation was voluntary and I knew I could leave at any time and I was just trying to give her my alibi so she would leave me alone then she started acting much nicer. Looking back on it I still talked way too much, but she sure acted much more respectfully when she realized I knew my rights.
So if you don't know your rights,you don't have them?
Is that how it works?
@@wallyreyes8876 It shouldn't be, but that's how it plays out sometimes. People don't realize talking to cops is optional and often officers won't tell the person the conversation is consensual and they're free to leave.
The cops lie.
@khlkhjhlk Exactly. I tell people all the time that if you're having a conversation with LEO, they're doing an investigation, ALWAYS. Even if you had good intentions and felt the desire to offer LE an alibi that alone could have been enough for the LEO to conclude in his/her investigation that you're suspicious because you felt compelled to offer a alibi or could be interpreted as you had a alibi readily available in case you were questioned. For LEO to question your involvement to begin with LEO were, in fact, investigative in their conversation with you. Consensual conversation is just as harmful, and you should always invoke your 5th before you invoke your right to stay silent!
The Sgt literally co-signed the other officer illegally searching his possessions. This is insanity
The legal term in a lawsuit is "ratify."
Ignorance of the law is not confined to just patrolmen.
They don't care, until qualified immunity is removed they will never care. Each "cop" should have their own private insurance, then they would care.
So is him "spiking" what little hair he has left with a load of hair gel. Or maybe just a load.
@@JoannaHammond You are absolutely right.
So if a woman sits her purse on the ground then walks over to talk to a friend I can't be charged as a purse snatcher because she abandoned it right officer?
Or when the cop walked away from his car
He just left it there like trash
Good one. Too bad the motorcyclist didn't think of that.
@@jmpsthrufyre that's exactly what I thought
Or if you go to the beach w a towel and a cooler. Then you go for a swim and when you come back everything is gone. Sorry nothing you can do. You abandoned your stuff.
Good point
Ah yes, “this crazy world we live in” which means they can violate your civil rights for no reason at all and any “suspicious” behavior is assumed to be a criminal act
Just catching up on all your work, I am astounded at the fact that these "officers" and most others are seasoned and obviously never been challenged.
When a supervisor, on scene, makes excuses and justifies illegal conduct by his officers then police have earned the distrust, disrespect, and disdain of the public they are sworn to protect.
Absolutely correct!!!
You don't understand what it's like being a cop today, no one likes us, it's hard
@@cmbells7736
No one likes them for a reason. If you are a good cop that's cool, keep bring one.
@@cmbells7736 It’s not for nothing. Cops are earning the hate.
@@TheMityquin so what percentage of "Cops are earning the hate." ? 100% of them ? 50% ? 10% ?
so whatever number that gives you the right to hate them all ? by your logic , if somebody from new york is a scumbag thief , you pronounce all new yorkers as such ?
*ONLY A FOOL WOULD THINK THAT A BACKPACK ON THE GROUND WAS LITTERING*
Yeah he could’ve argued literally any point better than littering. He could’ve said some bullshit about how it’s a common way to get drugs to kids or some shit. Like not only is he a bad cop, but he’s bad at being a bad cop.
It's called fishing.
This is blatant illegal search
They’re not fools, they’re criminals
@@DarkInstinct05 I would say anything found in that search wouldn't be used in a court case against the accused but if this was not videoed by the accused, no one would believe the accused vs 2 lying cops.
Hell I personally know of a time where cops deleted and edited bits of an audio recording to make the accused say something they where not and the cops 100% got away with it because the cops are the only ones with the single recording.
It needs to be easier to hold cops accountable ffs.
@@boomknight1015 which is why you record any and all interactions w officers.
Then there's the fact that most if not all Canadian officers (National, Provincial or Municipal) don't have body cameras
Video of a cop flexing like this should be instant fire, he looked through a bag just to push the buttons
Being "in the world we live in" I would expect people to be defensive, especially towards the police.
RECORD EVERYTHING. RECORD EVERYTHING. RECORD EVERYTHING.
I don't understand how people still believe that cops don't break the law
and say nothing.
@@Meng776 Legally, they can ASK anything they want. it doesn't mean you're required by law to answer their questions. Just remember, for every bully cop like this one, there are thousands of good cops. But as more and more people record and report the bully cops, the rest of the cops start acting better over time. My brother is a retired cop and he was (thankfully) a good one. I rode with him one day and he arrested a guy for DUI. When he was dropping the guy off for booking and talking to the magistrate he had counted the incorrect number of steps taken by this intoxicated suspect. A minute later we were outside the magistrates office and I told him I counted fewer steps and he looked at me and said, "Oh, really?" and then stuck his head back into the magistrates office and corrected the count without hesitation. And just to make you laugh, my brother also almost shot a cardboard cutout once. He responded to a convenience store (7-11 sized place) for a breaking and entering and while clearing the store he came around the end of an isle and there was a cardboard cutout right in his face and the cutout was standing about how you would expect someone to be pointing a gun at you. It startled him so bad he said he almost shot it, then he just started laughing at himself really hard.
@@Troy-Echo I know some cops are good. Heck, some are remarkable. But there has to be a way to remove the bad ones. The culture hides the bad ones. Cops have too much power imo. Their jobs need to be simplified and their power needs to be lessened.
People see them as the solution to everything and they can't be.
@@Meng776 They need to put them back into training and remind them that they are there to protect and serve, and not bully or try to talk people in circles until they say something that will allow the top to escalate the stop. And then those that do not learn their lesson need to be demoted as a last stop, and if they do not straighten out, fire them. My brother was in the paper multiple times for being an excellent deputy, but his supervisor kept trying to find any way to get him fired, just because my brother married his ex-girlfriend. He took one guy that misspoke and my brother ended up in court defending himself against his supervisor, and defending himself, made his supervisor look like an idiot. The sheriff noticed and it wasn't the first time he saw this action and the supervisor was moved to a supervisory position with NOBODY under him. I'm not sure what happened after, but the sheriff sent my brother to work with the DEA for about 10 years, except for the week or so he was pulled back for the DC Sniper which was in our area. Sorry, I'm tired and rambling, but you're right, they do tend to stick together more than they should. They need to watch complaints and if they get a set number of valid complaints that are justified, they need to take action. But on the flip side, people live under the protection of the constitution, and never take the time to learn what these protections are, so a cop can talk people in circles and if people don't know and understand their rights, they will screw themselves over. People also need to educate themselves.
cop -"we aren't going to debate on camera... " = i don't want any record of me abusing your rights...
Yeah, that was a very sloppy-revealing remark right from the start.
Exactly
EXACTLY.
ATA- another great thorough job. Educating us all.
This dude made me bust up. Asking a cop if he can de-escalate a situation 😂 they will turn an infraction into a felony on both parties if you let them
"Is this your bag?"
"Yes."
"OK, I'm gonna treat it as 'abandoned' anyway."
Lol, by that same logic the vehicle that the officer stepped out of and walked away from was abandoned and free for anyone to take.
@@miclane123 And don't walk out of your house to buy some food, that's abandoning it and it no longer belongs to you.
cop following his training, nothing unexpected here... i mean... he is the law as his training helped him understand... just ask him.
Their behavior is reprehensible. Its terrifying to know these are real policemen going out with weapons arresting and jailing people every day.
Right? That's what I'm saying too! He clearly admitted the bag was his! Problem?
When the officer returned the bag, he essentially proved he agreed that bag wasn't abandoned.
You are correct and he did not leave the scene and said it was his property
Well the way he searched it wasn't even done properly also
Wrong
great point.
@@johnree6106 how should it have been searched? Please post your professional bag searching credentials.
Great video. Always informative.
"are you gonna de-escalate this sir" is the best thing I've heard someone say imo. It's respectful, direct and with common sense. Imo
This channel has convinced me that at this point, everyone, including all civilians, need to start wearing bodycams when out in public.
If the police approach you for any reason just whip out your phone and say "Smile officer. I'm going to make you UA-cam famous!"
You have a point, which is kind of depressing.
We should all have dash cams as well.
@@BenjaminBizarre except, i think in most of these videos both sides are idiots. So post it to youtube show eveyrone you're an a-hole
@Ytsuxx Bigtime um, im not a cop so um.... oink?
Wow. Remind me to never place my backpack on the ground or on a park bench 🤦♂️
It's absolutely nuts. If you left your bag on the bench then went to play ball they would say that's littering.
Or leave your bike at a bike rack.
Or my hat, or clothes, or glasses
I got a loitering warning because i left 1 gallon of water on the side of the oval i was riding my mountain bike doing cardio, this was on an empty parking lot of the park that is closed cause of covid, fucking cops are ruthless in south florida ffs
Just stay out of the city where these cops wirk.
These all are so infuriating! Thanks for your posts.
Mr Shared was there to practice riding on his ( probably) new motorcycle. It was the act of a responsible citizen to ensure his own and the safety of others on the road. My dad began teaching me to drive in the large deserted parking lot shared by two schools. Instead of commending Mr Shared for being a responsible driver the police harassed him.
Their suspicious concerns were desolved when he told the officer what he was doing, after that they started making things up.
Cops: “People don’t hate us enough so we’ll try harder to be total assholes.”
That's part of their oath.
So, you're saying that your boss, your teacher, your friend, your parent, and God are all assholes for trying to correct your behavior when it is wrong. Correct?
@@jy9291 are you serious? Did you watch the video? Those cops weren’t there to correct fowl behavior. They were there to be assholes. The guy was practicing riding his bike on school grounds. What better place to learn than at a school. Especially after hours... the second the citizen showed some knowledge of the law, the officer went straight to intimidation by unlawfully detaining and then blatantly misconstrued the law to implicate him in littering. They deserve to be fired.
@@jy9291 Yes they are assholes we said people are not in the right to "correct" any of your behavior. That's freedom point blank.
@@jy9291 if my boss, teacher, friend or parent treated me like this then it would make them an asshole. And god isn't real.
If they were legitimately concerned the bag was dangerous, he was pretty cavalier about picking it up and going through it
Why didn’t he called the bomb squad?
If he was a scientist and he has explosive material in his backpack and that's why he set it down while riding, they could be in deep trouble if that thing explode and it would not be his fault. The casual nature of the officer when handling the bag implies that he knows that he is not in any danger but salivating to catch a would be criminal that refused to give up his ID.
Exactly!!
If it was truly 'litter' then i would guess the law treats it as 2 different things.
They weren't. He just wanted to stroke his ego by illegally using his authority to intimidate an innocent person while blatantly violating his 4th amendment. It's disgusting. I hope this dude files a lawsuit, and knocks the officers down a couple pegs. Pigs.
This is why finding a good cop is so hard. They stick up for each other regardless how wrong they are. Truly a disgrace how unprofessional they act these day's. Just disgusting behavior of corruption.
Joplin Missouri is going to come up in your case studies at some point probably should prepare for it thank you for your service
If the subject has left his bag, then the police have abandoned their cars
I thought the same exact thing
The officer that searched the bag illegally was looking for anything possible to get back at this citizen that knew his rights, likely hoping to have some evidence to detain/arrest him.
I would sue. Easy open/shut case of rights being abused.
Since both cops violated the bikers 4th A rights, both lose their implied immunity and now are subject to criminal and civil action.
Sue 100% and if he found anything in that bag I should be thrown out in court
A case may be open and shut but the cost of obtaining council, missing work/family time and going to battle with police unions/juggernaut beauracracy makes litigation almost impossible for an everyday citizen. And cops know this.
@@SonoftheWars I would suggest a different approach - attend a lower criminal court (such as where they handle DUI arrests), hook up with a lawyer (maybe per case paid public defender or cutting his teeth on lunch money suits), file a case, and take the early settlement offer.
@@SonoftheWars the money from the lawsuit would make up for all that.
I'll tell you this growing up I did not care to know about my rights and freedoms, would have gladly given them up to allow for police to investigate. Watching these videos now has helped me better understand the law, and to look into state law to better prepare for a potential police interaction. Hopefully those garbage cops will eventually get weeded out
You still don’t know your rights.
Audit the Audit gets an A+
"You left your bag over their and forfeited it by doing so" *Cops leaves car door open with keys in them*
Ya I say next time we see an unattended cop car we should search it for public safety
Would have been hilarious if he said "So you abandoned this vehicle then? Is that considered littering under your absurd interpretation?"
I mean abandoned vehicles are littering according that statute...
Lol, that's hilarious
i want to see some teens take that tact when they see an event like this, get in, and drive the cars off, i mean, they are abandoned, by this cops own definition...so people should assume any time he leaves his vehicle, that hes abandoned it and... drive off in it... "just cleaning up litter" and have some other teens citizens arrest him for littering... ;) then show the cops that show up, this video, he littered, he left his car, he abandoned it"
i say kids, because, they can avoid serious prison, unlike adults...
I am so sick of "the crazy world we live in" as justification for this type of behavior. There is nothing constitutional or legal about it!
But to be fair in this day and age. Crazy times apparently according to police.
fearmongering is an easy way to get PD budget increases
The excuse will never go away and will only continue to justify even worse oppression, as you can ALWAYS say there are "crazy things going on in the world". We HAVE to push back.
They don't know the Constitution! Thats the problem.
Why don’t you get hired and arrest all the corrupt cops
When we were in lower school, the bois always played a prank saying we littered when we placed the school bag on the floor due to heavy weight. but after a while we lost interest because we thought it was quite stupid. Glad to see the that such prank is now being taken seriously by law enforcement
Much love to you and the comments 💜❤️and replies
Cop left his vehicle and walked away from it...
Best comment.
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Be a shame if someone... searched it...
Good point, that's littering
Good call
When the supervisor acts like that, the whole department is corrupt, what the heck. You can't search his bag because he left it for a few seconds.
These on school property ones are always wild to me because my high school’s track was used by anyone in the community at any time as long as they arent in the way of classes and sports and such. Like people would just be jogging during the day or while sports practices (not track, cross country, of course) were happening.
I lived in Flint, several miles away from Genesse...they are a small town and routinely stop people passing through on bogus traffic stops...
if your argument starts with "in this crazy world we live in" you lost
yep,
Not necessarily, in the risk-averse courts. Go sit in court and watch just how little it takes to get a man thrown out of his own house with an order of protection.
I am so sick and tired of police using the excuse of "With the times we live in now" to do anything they want.
Our reply, In TIMES LIKE THIS, WITH Police SHOOTING INNOCENT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE US, WE HAVE TO RECORD..
He's not wrong though. With violent leftists roaming around the country these days, times have become unsafe.
"It's for officer safety." BS. Facts show that I'm more likely to end up dead over this stop instead of you, the armed man with a tactical bullet proof vest.
They're investigating suspicious activity, and yes, with the way things are in our society these days, you can't be too careful
@@josephhurlburt4025 all those people had to do was comply. Poof! Back to the same ole thing of: comply, cuz you could die
The fact that the sergeant believes that because he wasn't in handcuff that he wasn't illegally detained is ridiculous. The ignorance of these people is astonishing.
Thanks this is very close to home.
"What crime am I being detained for?"
"Filming in portrait."
"Understood. Carry on."
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The worst crime I witnessed in this video.
Portraits fine as long as you upload in the right apect ratio
Being suspicious. Yes it can be a crime. Just wait and I’ll show you how it’s a crime
@@kritsadventures yes an idiot trespassing on school property.
Cop: excuse me sir, what do you think you're doing in my car?
Dude on bike: you abandoned it.... It's mine now beeeeeaaaaatch
And left it running
Lmao! Good one!
😂🤣
We should check them out. Make sure they have ID and all cop certs.
Love how police don't wanna debate you when they are wrong or wanna blow past your rights if you let them...then they try to retaliate by trying the first thing they could possibly remotely tie to this citizen in order to justify their presence
Disgrace and no professional behavior. Why people don't like cops.
*EXACTLY WHY* people don't like cops.
@@robertgantry2118 Yes
"if we're investigating something that we deem to be suspicious, now you're obstructing."
This is how the police manufacture a crime.
Dude was harassed for trying to become a better driver, UNREAL!
An average lawyer could probably successfully argue that as long as SI remains in the vicinty of the bag, it is not "dumped, abandoned or unattended" and so it is not garbage and is not eligible to for warrantless search.
I don't consider my property abandoned when it is still in my sight.
Nonono, you cannot leave your property. Cause then you'd abandon it. So, no going to work for you, state will pay....
DON'T BLINK
@@balijosu you instantly lose all possessions when you lose sight
If I hear one more tyrant say “in this crazy world we live in” I’m gonna lose my shit
When I hear a cop say "in this crazy world we live in" my brain for some strange reason translates it to " there's lots of criminals out there so everyone is a suspect, I'm gonna need you to prove your innocence"
@@emotionalmusic9120 Yes.
@@emotionalmusic9120 fantastic comment totally agree
Funny cause they one of the biggest parts of this world being so "crazy"
Like when they stopped a guy in Walmart wearing a helmet "in this environment, people are scared, you're scaring people, they probably think you're a mass shooter" Like, wtf, where is it illegal to wear a helmet in public? So they just slap disturbing the peace or some other bs law that lacks specificity when they want to correct someone's behavior. Or telling someone who is doing open carry in an open carry state that they will fine them for disturbing the peace....just a way to make legal activity illegal.
Ya know, this is like watching I.D. channel. It's amazing how the videos are endless - just like every time I turn on I.D. Just when you think you've seen it all, along comes another one. Watch the news too and you'll see that it doesn't matter how pissed off the public gets, police depts just keep doing dumb shit - week after week. The list just keeps growing and I think part of the reason is the lack of 'man power'. Because there's such a shortage of officers, they hire ANYONE that walks in regardless of whether they know the law or not. I live in the D.C./Baltimore area and at last check Baltimore was down by about 1,500 officers! That's got to be part of it which is why these videos are imperative to get out and inform people of what's going on nationwide. I commend the channel and I learn something new on every single one of them. Very well done!!
Had to edit for a final thought concerning the illegal search and seizure, the worst part is that, even though it would probably be thrown out on that alone, all you ever get is a "you're free to go" in court. No restitution. No apology. Nothing. Just a waste of your day and a loss of that day's pay either. Half the time, they don't even show up if they know they were wrong! But you? Try not showing up and out goes the bench warrant for more hassles to continue. What starts out being a simple offense quickly becomes a major concern.
I have several friends that are residents of Michigan. They ALL have good sense and evident ‘good home training.” None of them are police officers. That must be the difference here. The pignorance is astounding.
The seargent acted more like his buddy than his supervisor. A problem with a lot of police departments
Under that cop's inturpretation of "abandonment" every time you leave your car or your house for longer than 5 minutes it's considered abandoned and anyone can come in and steal all of your stuff, or "search" your property without a warrant.
I really hope those cops see some actual punishment for this.
Exactly
File the complaint, sue this cop.
After watching so many videos with officers making the exact same mistake “we can ID you because you’re doing something minimally suspicious”, I can’t believe that it’s an honest mistake anymore, specially if it’s a Sargeant.
According to the cop's logic, anybody parking their car in the lot and walking away from it lost their right to privacy in their vehicle. It can be considered "abandoned", according to the cop's logic. And we hear it over and over again "We need to know who you are.". That's the last thing they need to know is your ID. They should establish a crime has taken place first and ID last, as IDing someone will not tell you if they are committing a crime (other than being wanted for warrants, which generally has nothing to do with why they are interacting with the subject, it's like catching criminals by accident).
Exactly
And you could even go further than that: anyone who set their phone beside them on a table could be considered ''abandoned''. It makes no sense... I think the abandoned doctrine would more apply to an example : the Hunter Biden laptop that was left at the repair shop for more than a month after they called him multiple times telling him it was fixed. I think this would be considered an abandoned effect.
@@gnoel5722 that laptop is only abandoned property by contract. Most shops have a policy about how long they will hold your computer after it’s repaired that you agree to at the time you agree to the service. W/o the contract the shop would likely find that the law would require they hold the property for a number of years before they could dispose of it.
@@arsenicjones9125 ahh good to know. I am guessing it's the same with pawnshops and drycleaners?
If a US police officer asks for ID, ask whether that's a request or a demand. If they say it's a request, refuse. If it's a demand, plead the 5th amendment and DEMAND Assistance of Counsel for your defence as per the 6th Amendment. Note that it MUST be a DEMAND - saying "I want a lawyer" or "Shouldn't I have a lawyer present" is not sufficient under the laws as they exist right now. If the cop asks why you want a lawyer (and they'll probably phrase it as a want rather than a demand so they can dismiss it), point out that they only have a right to demand your ID if they suspect you of criminal activity and (if you remember) cite Brewer v. Williams, 430 U.S. 387 (1977). "An individual against whom adversary proceedings have commenced has a right to legal representation when the government interrogates him." Then repeat your demand for a lawyer.
This probably won't work during a traffic stop because while a cop does need a reason to pull you over, you are usually required to provide it along with registration and insurance documentation to the police officer as part of the stop. But this line of reasoning should hold up if a cop stops you while you're just walking on the street, for example. And if enough people do that, then maybe it will stop the cops from almost automatically demanding ID from people.
Damn, can't even put a backpack down without being harassed
So using this officers reason to search his bag , if a mother leaves a baby stroller unattended at a park and walks away to play with the child on a swing , then it would give him a right to search her stroller ?
I grew up in Genesee County, not far from this area.
That is the type of Sgt that is a waste of time calling. He will defend his officers no matter what.
Most dangerous type of gang....ones with badges.
The only good cop is a DEAD COP.
Take their gun rights away and see how much different they act when they can’t shoot you and have to do their job. Fuck em
@@super65man Most UK cops have no guns and they act the same as these two cops.
And I can't stand when a supervisor backs his subordinates when they're wrong. It irritates the fhuckin schitt out of me because it's just plain evil.
Setting down an item with intent to pick it back up is not literring lmfaooooooooo
If were stretching that far like the cop is, you could argue parking your car is littering if when you're "leaving something" is littering. terrible logic lmao.
@@CB-rv2lj no, reread the statute
think about all of those blankets and coolers littered and abandoned in parks when people are off playing toss.
Imagine how many tickets these two clowns write at public pools. So much littering going on there!
@@KevinSorbo. Was going based on the wording of the statute, it was obviously not meant to be interpreted in that way, but still how it's worded.
7:40 Page one of the Living Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language (c. 1971) defines the word "abandon" as "To give up wholly; as to another; yield or relinquish utterly; surrender without constraint; renounce; forsake or desert; etc."
The key point that is consistent through this definition is that abandonment is total or complete. Abandoning something isn't a temporary thing.
I got stopped once in Grovetown Georgia for walking down the sidewalk, while wearing a ripped shirt. They said it looked like I had been in a fight, which I hadn't. I was 17 and they tried to hem me up, until my mother pulled up and told me to get in the car and basically told the officers that they were wrong and to go to hell. Nothing ever happened. Thanks mom, for showing me how to stand up to tyrants.
"All he's doing is talking to you" LOL as he rifles through his belongings
Well, cops spend a lot of time dealing with people who like to stop citizens and talk to them while taking their wallet and rifling through it. It's where they got their interaction skills.
@@L1Run what?
Can you please start putting the departments information in the description? Some of us like to make sure that this stuff doesn’t go unnoticed.
Lawsuits and complaints are the only way we have to control the civil servants who work in our communities. They will never get more than a slap on the wrist, fop is a racket to protect bad cops.
@@nulfater I agree 100%. But I like to voice my opinion when I can.
Genesee Twp police department Flint Mi 48506
@@karimccracken1143 Thanks
There stands reason to believe the man was not intending to just discard his backpack as if it was litter.
OMG! He searched the bag! He said that he lost his expectation of privacy? That is crazy! If a guy other than a cop did that, he would be arrested! These officers are bums! REAL CRIMINALS! The irony is that they find him suspicious but they are acting criminally on the spot. Despicable!
Whether this officer sees “suspicion” wherever he casts his eyes or whether he just has a hard-on for bikers, his conduct demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the proper role of a peace officer. Once the biker began inserting his rights, the officer’s overly inflated ego and sense of power took over, and he was going to teach this biker a “lesson” about who is “in charge”. He needs at least a lengthy unpaid suspension and his sergeant deserves a demotion.
You're on the money there. It's such a basic scenario and it's the opposite of what we should expect from a peace officer
If that cop thought that bag was a bomb or something like that he wouldn't just pick it up lol
@Mr7Slug *police officer shows up to your door*
"remember, crime's illegal"
Right? Wouldn’t they call the bomb squad immediately? I was so confused at that part.
Remeber when you used to see an unattended bag and think jackpot! Lol
Can you do more from the city of Richmond Virginia and the surrounding areas please and thank you I would like to know the laws here and yes I know I can look them up but I would like to see them
This is beyond ridiculous. This is pure evil.
I like how they cop searched the bag saying he doesn't know if it really belongs to the rider then proceeds to place it on the riders motorcycle after he was done searching.
It's clear the officer was covering for his subordinate.
It’s ironic because if they were able to follow through with saying the bag was abandoned then they couldn’t tie anything illegal they might find to him lol
How embarrassed must the Sargent be when the force realises he’s uneducated and ignorant of the law !!
So by the logic of these cops if they walk away from their patrol vehicle to go into a donut shop, that patrol vehicle is then considered abandoned and thus public property for anyone to search and/or take.
Yeah that's basically what he said
No not at all. The car is marked and you will see (if you can read) who owns the car. The stupid person said it wasn’t his bag. So it’s not his and if someone finds a bag then it’s finders keepers.
@@lightasafeather9750 no that not they said. But post your address so when you go to work and leave you house you have abandoned it and I can take things
@@lt4753 Huh? He literally said it IS his bag.
@@joshshultz1250 then he should have kept his bag. Did he say he had permission to be on school property?
The sergeant didn’t de-escalate at all and gave a lame and inaccurate explanation defending a subordinate’s illegal actions. Shame on this police department and it’s lack of leadership and accountability
Classic example of a superior in a hard place. They cant throw their subordinate under the bus but.. They know its wrong. I bet you they had words after.
To say that first cop was power tripping is a grand understatement
I wonder how long it took from the time of the posting of the vid to the time the officer saw his face on the screen?
Basically what I’ve learned from watching these videos is to NOT step foot in public since just about anything including breathing is suspicious and reason for detainment, harassment, search and arrest
Yeah but fuck the cops, don't let them hinder your life... just record that bullshit if it ever happens and hold them accountable
Yeah im sure a complaint will hold them accountable…the system doesn’t allow us to hold them accountable, it’s absolute madness the forefathers of this country are rolling in their graves at what their country became. Rule of law in this day and age is but a myth.
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I live in the small town of Malvern Arkansas. This is pretty normal here. The last sheriff had a bad habit of shooting people as well. This redneck idiot shot 3 people in 2 years and killed 2 of them
With all the crazy things going on it's still the cops I watch out for the most. They have proven themselves to be bullies that are allowed to lie, even in a court of "law".
Next time I go to Walmart or Meijer I guess I should take my full size truck in the store as well so it doesn’t get searched while I’m shopping lol
Don’t forget all that money in the register, can’t use the bathroom anymore or someone can take it all!
Curbside service was invented so you don’t have to worry about getting your vehicle searched.
@@aaronwagner9461 LMFAO this cracked me up so hard. Only in America
Isn't it taught in criminal justice 101 that law enforcement "enforces laws, not make them".
The Police walked away from their Police car...did they forfeit their car any more than the man forfeited his bag??? The Police wonder why they are loosening respect from the public. Respect is earned...many Police officers do not know this. In my small town in Florida...you rarely see a police car. Perfect.
I hope this guy files, and wins, a big lawsuit
Question is, which everyone here knows already, will the lawless perp or the innocent public pay?
I really hope this guy files complaints or charges on these thug's!
Sergeant needs to search his ass for the law on that.
I found an abandoned vehicle with a weird paint job and lights. There were some pretty valuable weapons and computers in there too. Who would just forfeit their property like that?? Hilarious. My gain!
I love the idea of someone putting down a bag for 5 seconds to tie their shoe, and in that brief period of time a cop rushes to the scene to immediately arrest them for littering.
Please sue those tyrants. Who knows what else they have done
Plz!!!
Fire them, strip them of their qualified immunity, and sue them for their personal wealth. This is ridiculous.
J. Stenburg. You are 100 percent correct. If you are a LEO Which includes detective, and all others and have been blessed with the govt allowing you to LIE THEN YOU have to pay the fine out of your own money instead of paying using our tax money. Hopefully this would cut down on the. Cops doing illegal things.
You didn’t know what you were saying. You still don’t! Just start paying rent at your moms
@@lt4753he said exactly what I wanted to say.
@@lt4753exactly
They cant say sorry or take responsibility… they just threaten worse off things, like “hey at least you didnt go to jail for obstruction!” 😂