I've been saying for like a year now anything under 17.3" is too small for a grown man. But, I literally returned mine because 1440p is ridiculous. lol, it cost like at least $5k for 4k.
These 2024 laptops without gsync? Am I missing something? Is it because they are amd based freesync compatible? I found a few with like awesome adaptive optimus and gsync. But, I am assuming that's "an acer thing?"
Man I need an advice should I bay Asus ROG strike g 15 rtx 3060 6gb 140w 16g ddr5 or Lenovo legion 5 with rtx 3070 8gb 130w 16gb ddr4 I want the best performance in games ❤❤??
Really cool to see these 14" gaming laptops come back from the dead, remember Alienware used to make 13 and even 11 inch gaming laptops in 2010-2012, very interesting time
The extreme thinning of bezels + lighter yet more powerful hardware probably made it happen. I'm assuming 14" gaming laptops were never niche in the first place, since people who travel a lot and also hope to only buy one laptop for various uses are dime a dozen. But considering the explosive rise of handheld PCs and larger-screen phones, 13" to 11" laptops may not come back for the foreseeable future.
@@ctrl_x1770 The Ryzen 4000 series made it possible, the G14 proving it. Efficiency prior to the Ryzen 4000 was just bad, laptops had to make do with the same old hot 4 core intel chips.
Jarrod this is unrelated but thanks to your guidance I was able to buy a 2023 LOQ 15. Absolutely in love with this first gaming laptop of mine. Thank you for your through, high-effort, quality information!
I went for a Acer Nitro 5 which is also my first gamer laptop ever. This guy makes very good vids thar helped me decide as well I wanted a LOQ but amazon gave the 27% off so I went for the acer.
The performance isn't good enough for a budget laptop tho considering what competitor offered at same price, so gf thin & cyborg series are what you should avoid buying. A budget gamer don't the leeway to upgrade their laptop anyway so getting the best price2perf takes the most priority
@@initialds4903 I know, I never recommend budget MSI. But that one fan can finally cool both CPU and GPU at the same time, while it couldn't in the past
After watching your videos for 5 years, never really owned a gaming laptop but your channel really made me want one and now after years collecting money, I finally bought an Alienware X16 2023 as my first ever gaming laptop. Thanks to your channel, I knew what to look out for and what to get. Keep up the good work Jarrod!
Man if only the usb-c can be used to charge the laptop I will definitely buy this. Having 14inch portable device but without option to use portable charger is a deal breaker for me. Thanks for the review Jarrod!
I bought the ASUS Z13 ACRNM RMT02, I do like portability but I dont like the battery life or that is difficult to use over the legs, always have to use at a table or desk. I think i will switch to Asus G14 or MSI Cyborg. G14 has good battery life
@@FreshPanda97 It depends on how much you need a graphics card. Many Lenovo sites in the European market offer the Yoga with R7-7840HS or Ultra 7 125H with 32 GB Ram. Premium laptop with good speakers, good battery and possibility to play games. However, if you need a GPU, I would be interested in Stealth 14 or Zephyrus G14.
@@JarrodsTech how was the text sharpness, I am a casual gamer but text sharpness is something I really want to be good. I'm thinking of getting this laptop, will be really helpful if you share your experience.
Hi! In Sweden this MSI Cyborg is around 1000 dollar right now, perfect for studies and light gaming. A Asus G14 is 2200 dollars here with 4060. So it depends on your wallet and needs. Could anyone tell me is it quiet when doing easy tasks, like words? Greetings from Sweden, thx for hard work and good content.
I was about to get mad at myself for missing this video and going for Lenovo LOQ 15 (7840HS + RTX 4060) instead of this when the price in my region is pretty much the same and I value portability. But seeing that the GPU is limited to 45W and thus loses a lot of its performance, I felt a sense of relief. :D
@bilalwahid6573 I really like it there's loads of reviews on UA-cam for you to watch. My only gripe was the 45 w power limit for gpu, but it's just a heat thing it still performs great 👍.
@@tommiealdridge my question is does it heat while doing gaming or heavy tasks and does it lower the performance while doing gaming or doing heavy tasks for a long time
I’ve said this before but I want to show my appreciation again for the effort you put into subtitles, it makes watching the video much smoother for me. Amazing review also, love watching you!
I hope you will consider the 2024 MSI Stealth 14 next. I'm curious about the new OLED panel and the potential extra battery life from the Intel Core Ultra CPU
That single fan is a dealbreaker for me, every other gaming laptops have at least two fans while msi's gf and cyborg series only have one. Msi should stop doing this stupid design.
@@kimberly_lippington Different people have different needs. I own msi gp66 with 3070 and would totally get something with lower gaming power but also lower temps, weight and noise. My gp66 280W power brick is a serious chonker and a pain to travel with. When you game only from time to time and need cuda and mobility on a budget cyborg 14 looks like a good choice.
Single fan and a 45w tgp. It's better to get a lenovo LOQ rtx 4060 if you're on a budget. Their prices are almost the same, at least here in my country.
I never expect this laptop will get decent enough screen and right thermal control to accomodate single fan design. You can be mad at me but i'll consider this one for my next laptop, especially if MSI Indonesia price this thing right.
lack of usb c charging is dealbreaker. Moreover they should have include type c charging only since 120w is not huge power. Decent Gan charger can deliver 120w easily.
@@El75390 yeah agreed but its still delivering okayish performance at 45w. So for me (personal usecase) lack of usb c charging is dealbreaker. I have my desktop for heavy games but I travel a lot so for that purpose 4050 even with 45w is good enough for me. But carrying proprietary charger is hassle for me. I dont like to carry multiple charger with me.
The Cyborg 14 mostly cuts the right corners and its cheapness resulted in *more* features than much more expensive 14" gaming laptops (replaceable RAM, ethernet port at the back). A Core Ultra or Ryzen version would've been the cherry on top with the much needed battery life and performance.
Hello @Jarrod'sTech ! Any plans to review the Lenovo Legion 7i 2024 ( non-pro ) model? Thank you! Current "reviews" are just an AD...but I know you'd test everything accurately. Thanks !
@@JarrodsTech that's a rip-off in your country? In Europe we pay ~ 3000$ for an entry level Zephyrus G16 (Core Ultra 7 + 4070 ) when in US ( I assume canada is ~ the same ) you get the Ultra 9 + 4080 for less and 4090 for a tad more. Tho, not Lenovo, this Legion 7 is similar priced here ( $3500 AUD )... but given you say it's a rip-off...I assume you're used to lower prices usually. Thx for the reply!
I'm kinda surprised with the thermal result considering this laptop only has one fan and shorter heatpipe (compared to larger laptops anyway). Granted the GPU is limited to 45W, but at first I thought it will go way hotter than the test suggest.
TBH as someone who not only enjoys a good performing gaming laptop but also enjoys the design Id most likely go for this MSI because it does perform very decently but I cant get over how awesome it looks with that translucent housing. Looks like something from the 90s/early 2000s. Very awesome look if you ask me
Probably never, I feel like it's too late. MSI didn't send it over to us last year and I left it too late to justify buying it. Now it's unchanged this year, so don't know if it's worth bothering with.
I´ve run the Cyberpunk benchmark on my older Razer Blade 15 (GTX 1660ti@ 80W + 10785H) and it scored 45.58fps avg and 38.48fps min. Pretty nice little laptop. I might get one.
Hello 👋. Can you make a guide on best price worth gaming laptops in different price ranges? (without discounts, as discounts aren't available everywhere)
Hi @JarrodsTech , I was wondering if you could compare the HP OMEN 17 with the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i? These are the highest spec deals available at the website in the description. The Lenovo has a smaller yet faster and more pixelated screen, whereas the HP has a double the disk space and a less 'gamer' look for $150 less.
I think MSI is the only brand that makes gaming laptop with 1 fan lol, my friend's GF63 keep getting hot with no apps opened despite the thermal paste has just been replaced lol
Comprises are minimal even for it's size and price. Major ones include small batteries and single fans while minor includes smaller batteries and probably build but it's fine. I think it's a great yet powerful 14 inch device without breaking the bank. It's probably the most affordable yet portable gaming laptops we had in years that isn't 15"/16" and Razer slim
Just got the Cyborg 14 with the RTX for a single fan running 4060 not too bad but ofcourse this is the lower wattage 4060. Good Deal where I am can recommend this over the Cyborg 15. Display is much much better.
@@mrwallydrag yea but not too bad im getting around 80fps on high settings in Helldivers 2 and 200fps + playing overwatch, 4000 series GPU very efficient.
IMO the pricing isn’t that good, considering a Lenovo LOQ 16” 4050 is around $800-$1000 and is simply better overall, aside from portability and other small factors.
Thank you Jarrod. @JarrodsTech I got the Legion Pro 5i and 7i for about the price id get for one give or take with the nicer specs and they both run like life itself you all. I am very pleased. 32 gb ram, rtx 4070 and 4090. I would have gotten the 4060 but the LOQ deals went down before i could get to it leaving just the 5i as a acceptable number two for my daughter.. (shes under 10) so a major upgrade she can probably get 4-5 years out of at her level before high school upgrade. Jarrod knows what he's talking about and you labtop companies.. better sponser this man.. just spent 5000 and it was worth it the moment i seen these videos. i think that's better than ad and commercial advertisement @msi @asus @lenovo @dell @alienware etc. Thank you Lenovo. Will keep can eye out for the 50 series :) and it better not be overpriced because Jarrod will let us know !
and i wanted to ask a tuff question, should i buy this years G14 with a 4070 or wait for RTX 50 and ZEN5, i need a laptop this summer but if i get it in this summer i wont get the best value, currently owning a Strix G15 with a 4800H and a 3060, this laptop has huge performance problems, its slower than a 3050 while having a 3060, and cpu is 30% slower than the average same sku
hey Jarrod if this laptop was literally the cheapest 14 inch laptop available where Im from,would recommend this laptop? like if theprice difference with other laptops was around a thousand dollars and I really want to get a 14 inch laptop for digital sculpting, light 3d modeling and rendering images of my digital sculpts and the occasional gaming at low settings, would this laptop be a good companion device and not a main machine that I can take with me on the go?
Never understood this 14 inch low config gaming laptop segment. Who is this really intended for?!? The screen is too small for gaming and the GPU is too weak to drive a nice external monitor.
Some people may have need for more power than non-dGPU laptop, but only have the living space for a 14" laptop. For example, I'm a university student who stays in a very tight dorm room, in which a third of the space is the bathroom, and that's when it was empty; and this was an upgrade from my previous dorm, which was even smaller. I certainly would appreciate a laptop at this size more than I would laptops at a larger size, let alone a PC - it's just much more practical for the living space that I do have.
This is just literally MSI GF Thin series with 'more fragile' (since it's plastic). For 1000$, I'd suggest buy Bravo 15 (that 200$ more cheaper) that has both numbers keyboard and one more fan or it's 15 series with numpads.
"that's just how tech work's" It was to be a valid argument but is it really valid when we talk about laptops are they actually usin smaller anything when it comes to electronics? I can only see a smaler battery and chase. Does it use smaller ram? Capacitors? Really what is smaller and cost's more to produce at that size. I'm genuinely asking
hey jarrod, can i ask how did you test the power scaling of the rtx 4060 mobile? specifically, how did you get it to run at 35w? i can't seem to set the power limit at lower than 60w in my lenovo slim 7
Jarrod, Can You Please review the new Msi Katana 15 AI B8 ? I am planning to buy the one with Ryzen 7 8845HS, i want to know what is the benefit of having the 8000 series Ryzen
I bought one. The machine is very light. After playing Elden's Ring for a while, it reached 60 frames.The battery is a bit small. I can only watch videos for 250 minutes. I have a 16g memory. I plan to upgrade to 32g to see if there will be any performance improvement.
did you buy this laptop? what specs you got? did you go with the 4060 model? how are the temps as well? Im considering getting this laptop maybe the i7 rtx 4050 version I think the 4050 is enough for what im plannning to use it for Im just concerned with the build quality over time tho as I've heard horror stories about single fan msi laptops being close to e-waste quality
just wanna throw this out there the cyborg 15 inch i have is a real pain to upgrade the nvme. the screw is so tight its impossible to take it out. msi tightened that particular screw way too hard. im sure the 14 inch is still the same but getting into the laptop is very easy.
I own an entry level cyborg 15. I bought it discounted 650 usd which is cheaper than any same spec laptop which range from 800-1000 usd due to taxes here in the Philippines. It is a powerful machine but I'm too worried about the temps due to its single fan design. The temps shows 70°C but the top cover above the keyboard is so hot to touch. My biggest regret with this laptop is the ram & storage thinking 8gb + 512gb is enough. Now I need to upgrade to 16gb + 1tb but it will cost me 150usd and it has a single ssd slot no expansion at all plus If I do it myself my warranty will be voided. I should have bought lenovo or an acer with a ryzen processor. The metal chasis really caught my attention with this laptop and now I regret with my decision. 😂
gigabyte has a really wierd laptop last year, aorus 16 not the 2024 ver 16x it got 4 fans and only got launched in taiwan can you review that one before this year's 16X
4:34, poor CPU clockse due to high shared heat pipe, GPU throttles due to excess heat from CPU. 7:30 , 7:58 so device clocks are reduced to make it cooler. unlocked bios may help u to raise the throttling temp. 13:11, I dont take cyberpuncks result to compare with older gpu coz, its nvidia sponsored title and they will make it run better only in newer GPU.
Well I didn't have much buying options so I basically had to go through Amazon I was just so excited to buy my first gaming laptop I maybe was a bit impulsive.. I didn't spend near enough time looking as I should have. Was able to get a Cyborg 15 with a 2 terabyte SSD and 64 ram an i7 and a 4060. Just hope it can at least run current gen games with good fps I love beam ng drive and battlefield.. physics sims I really hope I didn't mess up purchasing this model. Crossing my fingers for when it arrives. Also thank you for the MSI cheat code for the control panel. I'll try to see if I can change the wattage myself. Edit: Didnt really do much tweaking nor did I mess with the bios. But I used MSI center to adjust my fan curve. And since the mobo and software use power and edp throttle limits laptop stays nice and cool with out having to max out the single poor fan doing all the work. Even throttling I can play ultra beam ng just fine. So happy running a nice 72 degrees no cooling pad at 4200 rpms for the fan. Very nice
@@adrianalcomendras6754 It's actually very nice except my heat on the CPU runs at 80 degrees monitoring with XTU. The laptop only has one fan and the house has very poor air flow. I can safely use the laptop at night. But during the day when ambient temp outside is 90+ I don't really feel comfortable running games. 80 degrees Celsius is normal playing beam ng with traffic and cooler boost on. Probably invest in a cooler fan to go underneath for the 5 degree difference. I'm really ocd so I'm worrying maybe too much. Thank you for asking ☺️ 🙏 I hope I can make this computer last. I've had so much fun trying x4 foundations and beam with real life car mods. It's a like a dream come true.
@@jessicameow614 oh the temp thing sounds a bit alarming but yeah hopefully your laptop lasts. since there arent alot of reviews on the cyborg 14 I guess Im trying to use cyborg 15 laptop user experiene as a sort of baseline to go off of. hows the gaming experience so far?
@@adrianalcomendras6754 Funny story so I ended up tweaking the MSI bios and went around undervolting, and trying to lower power consumption on the CPU. But it turns out the way the system is configured or something made it run a bit hotter so I ended up choosing the default optimized settings and it actually got better temps playing star citizen flat 80c with fan going about 4200 4700 rpms smooth as butter I know laptops run a bit hotter so ill need a cooling pad. But either I didn't undervolt correctly or the mobo is already optimized to run at certain clock speeds and throttles when necessary. since it has above average specs no frames are really lost do to throttling. But I do wish I could get at least 70c would be nice. Any ideas?
@@adrianalcomendras6754 it's a great laptop as long as you can keep your room a decent temperature the laptop throttles but it never impacts performance even star citizen so long as the specs are fine. I didn't need to tune anything really I tried but failed. The mobo is designed to push the card and CPU till a certain point and it cools down naturally. Adjusting the fan curve is all I really did. Put it in performance mode and every game you play looks beautiful and runs smooth. Where I live it's always hot especially in the day so the laptop would just be circulating hot air which doesn't help temps. The laptop doesn't need max fan boost either just a nice decent room and elevated a little bit and it's totally fine. Great laptop so far love how sturdy it feels and the metallic looks. And the keyboard is super nice and comes with a numpad. I'm very happy with it
Definitely, should've been a 60W RTX 4050. Maybe even higher, but I wouldn't really know how strong that fan is for both of the CPU and the GPU. Could've been a higher TGP, that's for sure.
Hello, I see that cyborg and other msi laptops has 1 fan, can be this a problem ? I intend to by a budget laptop that will run without heat issues in a hot area (summer 45°), what you recommend? Thanks
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I've been saying for like a year now anything under 17.3" is too small for a grown man. But, I literally returned mine because 1440p is ridiculous. lol, it cost like at least $5k for 4k.
These 2024 laptops without gsync? Am I missing something? Is it because they are amd based freesync compatible? I found a few with like awesome adaptive optimus and gsync. But, I am assuming that's "an acer thing?"
Man I need an advice should I bay Asus ROG strike g 15 rtx 3060 6gb 140w 16g ddr5 or Lenovo legion 5 with rtx 3070 8gb 130w 16gb ddr4 I want the best performance in games ❤❤??
@@Dizo_PQ look for 40 series ddr5...
Titan : *getting 4 fans
Cyborg : "1, take it or leave it"
The gpu with 45 w still worse xd
@@szlaven8254 rtx 4050 doesnt care if it has more than 45w
@@LukeChicken it ll preform better with more W
It’s not lower end tho…
@@LukeChickenThe thing is, even the RTX 4060 variant got 45W limit. And it definitely affect the performance quite a bit
Really cool to see these 14" gaming laptops come back from the dead, remember Alienware used to make 13 and even 11 inch gaming laptops in 2010-2012, very interesting time
The extreme thinning of bezels + lighter yet more powerful hardware probably made it happen. I'm assuming 14" gaming laptops were never niche in the first place, since people who travel a lot and also hope to only buy one laptop for various uses are dime a dozen. But considering the explosive rise of handheld PCs and larger-screen phones, 13" to 11" laptops may not come back for the foreseeable future.
@@ctrl_x1770 The Ryzen 4000 series made it possible, the G14 proving it. Efficiency prior to the Ryzen 4000 was just bad, laptops had to make do with the same old hot 4 core intel chips.
Jarrod this is unrelated but thanks to your guidance I was able to buy a 2023 LOQ 15. Absolutely in love with this first gaming laptop of mine. Thank you for your through, high-effort, quality information!
Nice!
I went for a Acer Nitro 5 which is also my first gamer laptop ever. This guy makes very good vids thar helped me decide as well I wanted a LOQ but amazon gave the 27% off so I went for the acer.
@@altaccounti6520honestly both you and the OP picked a good choice... Hope you got a 4060 version.
What is the gpu of your loq?
A budget MSI gaming laptop with one fan being enough for cooling? Never thought this day would ever come true.
The cooling is enough only because of the low power limit of the cpu and gpu
It has been enough since 2023 lol, thanks to power limitation & well-optimized performance per watt on RTX 4000 series
@@hmooduto4406 I know, but the GF63 always struggled to cool the 45W 3050 in the past. The Cyborg is basically the same.
The performance isn't good enough for a budget laptop tho considering what competitor offered at same price, so gf thin & cyborg series are what you should avoid buying.
A budget gamer don't the leeway to upgrade their laptop anyway so getting the best price2perf takes the most priority
@@initialds4903 I know, I never recommend budget MSI. But that one fan can finally cool both CPU and GPU at the same time, while it couldn't in the past
After watching your videos for 5 years, never really owned a gaming laptop but your channel really made me want one and now after years collecting money, I finally bought an Alienware X16 2023 as my first ever gaming laptop. Thanks to your channel, I knew what to look out for and what to get. Keep up the good work Jarrod!
Nice! Hope it goes well
@@JarrodsTech going great so far!
Man if only the usb-c can be used to charge the laptop I will definitely buy this. Having 14inch portable device but without option to use portable charger is a deal breaker for me. Thanks for the review Jarrod!
Considering the decent performance in silent mode, you could play a lot of games using a 100W GaN charger. Massive missed opportunity by MSI here.
You might be able to find a deal for the previous year's G14. Ryzen 8000 is essentially unchanged from Ryzen 7000
I bought the ASUS Z13 ACRNM RMT02, I do like portability but I dont like the battery life or that is difficult to use over the legs, always have to use at a table or desk. I think i will switch to Asus G14 or MSI Cyborg. G14 has good battery life
Nice to see Legion Pro 7i still on the charts, loving mine ❤
Good to see that you included the content creation tests!
At least they improved the screen...
A few more years and maybe someone will start considering it😅
Yeah not having a shitty screen was a big surprise.
What would you recommend living in the EU?
@@FreshPanda97 It depends on how much you need a graphics card. Many Lenovo sites in the European market offer the Yoga with R7-7840HS or Ultra 7 125H with 32 GB Ram. Premium laptop with good speakers, good battery and possibility to play games. However, if you need a GPU, I would be interested in Stealth 14 or Zephyrus G14.
@@JarrodsTech how was the text sharpness, I am a casual gamer but text sharpness is something I really want to be good. I'm thinking of getting this laptop, will be really helpful if you share your experience.
Hi! In Sweden this MSI Cyborg is around 1000 dollar right now, perfect for studies and light gaming. A Asus G14 is 2200 dollars here with 4060. So it depends on your wallet and needs. Could anyone tell me is it quiet when doing easy tasks, like words? Greetings from Sweden, thx for hard work and good content.
Its bad laptop dont buy 40 tgp😢
I was about to get mad at myself for missing this video and going for Lenovo LOQ 15 (7840HS + RTX 4060) instead of this when the price in my region is pretty much the same and I value portability.
But seeing that the GPU is limited to 45W and thus loses a lot of its performance, I felt a sense of relief. :D
Got the 4060 version coming tomorrow happy now cheers really good in depth review 👍
Please share your review of cyborg 14 as i am also planning to buy it
@bilalwahid6573 I really like it there's loads of reviews on UA-cam for you to watch. My only gripe was the 45 w power limit for gpu, but it's just a heat thing it still performs great 👍.
@@tommiealdridge my question is does it heat while doing gaming or heavy tasks and does it lower the performance while doing gaming or doing heavy tasks for a long time
I’ve said this before but I want to show my appreciation again for the effort you put into subtitles, it makes watching the video much smoother for me. Amazing review also, love watching you!
I hope you will consider the 2024 MSI Stealth 14 next. I'm curious about the new OLED panel and the potential extra battery life from the Intel Core Ultra CPU
We'll take a look if MSI get it, they still don't have any laptops for us to borrow, which is why I had to blow $2000 AUD on this video lol
Was waiting for this review
That single fan is a dealbreaker for me, every other gaming laptops have at least two fans while msi's gf and cyborg series only have one. Msi should stop doing this stupid design.
it's for people who dunno much about laptops.. they will see "oh cheapest rtx 4050 laptop", but get bamboozled with 45W TDP 😂
@@kimberly_lippington Different people have different needs. I own msi gp66 with 3070 and would totally get something with lower gaming power but also lower temps, weight and noise. My gp66 280W power brick is a serious chonker and a pain to travel with. When you game only from time to time and need cuda and mobility on a budget cyborg 14 looks like a good choice.
@@kiloseraif you only game lightly, then this laptop is almost useless
Have you even watched the video? The components are power limited and freezing cold. No need for more fans.
It's 45w
Watched this video a couple of times, now my cyborg 14 is on its way! I really appreciate for making this video.
The type c charging is what really holds me on buying last week. Couldnt find a better 14inch gaming laptop with this price.
Are you sure it has type c charging wrong?
Single fan and a 45w tgp. It's better to get a lenovo LOQ rtx 4060 if you're on a budget. Their prices are almost the same, at least here in my country.
Can't you just buy a better charger and unlock the w limits?
No@@Hero-fo7jt
I never expect this laptop will get decent enough screen and right thermal control to accomodate single fan design. You can be mad at me but i'll consider this one for my next laptop, especially if MSI Indonesia price this thing right.
Love the transparent look. This is on sale here... interesting.
yeah.... the lenovo slim 5 kinda makes this a bad option.
Can you do Raptor Lake Refresh Legions too, excellent review btw as always Jarrod
3:49 Sounds like HDMI 2.0b, not 2.1...
I don't mind where MSI cut corners here EXCEPT for the lack of USB-C charging. That's a deal-breaker as far as I'm concerned.
IT'S HERE!! Nice to see that it's pretty good for what it is and it seems to be a good pick up on sale, but man is that GPU power limit a shame
Can't you just buy a better charger and unlock the limit?
lack of usb c charging is dealbreaker. Moreover they should have include type c charging only since 120w is not huge power. Decent Gan charger can deliver 120w easily.
What about the one fan?, mux switch? 45 watt TDP
@@El75390 yeah agreed but its still delivering okayish performance at 45w. So for me (personal usecase) lack of usb c charging is dealbreaker. I have my desktop for heavy games but I travel a lot so for that purpose 4050 even with 45w is good enough for me. But carrying proprietary charger is hassle for me. I dont like to carry multiple charger with me.
The Cyborg 14 mostly cuts the right corners and its cheapness resulted in *more* features than much more expensive 14" gaming laptops (replaceable RAM, ethernet port at the back). A Core Ultra or Ryzen version would've been the cherry on top with the much needed battery life and performance.
Hello @Jarrod'sTech ! Any plans to review the Lenovo Legion 7i 2024 ( non-pro ) model? Thank you! Current "reviews" are just an AD...but I know you'd test everything accurately. Thanks !
Yeah just waiting on Lenovo because their new stuff is a rip off in my country. $3700 AUD for a 4070..
@@JarrodsTech that's a rip-off in your country? In Europe we pay ~ 3000$ for an entry level Zephyrus G16 (Core Ultra 7 + 4070 ) when in US ( I assume canada is ~ the same ) you get the Ultra 9 + 4080 for less and 4090 for a tad more. Tho, not Lenovo, this Legion 7 is similar priced here ( $3500 AUD )... but given you say it's a rip-off...I assume you're used to lower prices usually. Thx for the reply!
asus scar 18 looking incredible, hoping to see this video release soon
I'm kinda surprised with the thermal result considering this laptop only has one fan and shorter heatpipe (compared to larger laptops anyway). Granted the GPU is limited to 45W, but at first I thought it will go way hotter than the test suggest.
14" gaming monitor with still ethernet port, finally
TBH as someone who not only enjoys a good performing gaming laptop but also enjoys the design Id most likely go for this MSI because it does perform very decently but I cant get over how awesome it looks with that translucent housing. Looks like something from the 90s/early 2000s. Very awesome look if you ask me
I would absolutely love to see a cyborg 15 review. When should I expect one?
Probably never, I feel like it's too late. MSI didn't send it over to us last year and I left it too late to justify buying it. Now it's unchanged this year, so don't know if it's worth bothering with.
I´ve run the Cyberpunk benchmark on my older Razer Blade 15 (GTX 1660ti@ 80W + 10785H) and it scored 45.58fps avg and 38.48fps min. Pretty nice little laptop. I might get one.
Hello 👋. Can you make a guide on best price worth gaming laptops in different price ranges? (without discounts, as discounts aren't available everywhere)
Hi @JarrodsTech , I was wondering if you could compare the HP OMEN 17 with the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i? These are the highest spec deals available at the website in the description. The Lenovo has a smaller yet faster and more pixelated screen, whereas the HP has a double the disk space and a less 'gamer' look for $150 less.
I think MSI is the only brand that makes gaming laptop with 1 fan lol, my friend's GF63 keep getting hot with no apps opened despite the thermal paste has just been replaced lol
you where right a deal came by.. 300 dollars less for the 4060 ,16 ram , 512 in bestb
Hi Jarod
Intel core ultra 5 125 h laptop vs rtx 3050 4gb vs 3050 6gb
Which is better for gaming and editing
I hope the hinge doen’t give out in a year or two…. If it does maybe it can be screwed form the outside with much epoxy
Comprises are minimal even for it's size and price. Major ones include small batteries and single fans while minor includes smaller batteries and probably build but it's fine. I think it's a great yet powerful 14 inch device without breaking the bank. It's probably the most affordable yet portable gaming laptops we had in years that isn't 15"/16" and Razer slim
Jarrod pls do lenovo legion 5i pro 2024 review pls
Just got the Cyborg 14 with the RTX for a single fan running 4060 not too bad but ofcourse this is the lower wattage 4060. Good Deal where I am can recommend this over the Cyborg 15. Display is much much better.
is it 45W only?
@@mrwallydrag yea but not too bad im getting around 80fps on high settings in Helldivers 2 and 200fps + playing overwatch, 4000 series GPU very efficient.
LG laptops also have awesome BIOS customization by the way 😉
IMO the pricing isn’t that good, considering a Lenovo LOQ 16” 4050 is around $800-$1000 and is simply better overall, aside from portability and other small factors.
you can get a 4060 legion slim 5 OLED for around 1000$
@@tocamose pretty sure the LOQ has an IPS panel, which is better for gaming in general but yeah that works ig
Please make a video on lenovo yoga pro 9i 2024
Oh wow the hdmi connects to the integrated graphics. Normally I see the hdmi ports connecting directly to the Nvidia graphics card in gaming laptops.
Thank you Jarrod. @JarrodsTech I got the Legion Pro 5i and 7i for about the price id get for one give or take with the nicer specs and they both run like life itself you all. I am very pleased. 32 gb ram, rtx 4070 and 4090. I would have gotten the 4060 but the LOQ deals went down before i could get to it leaving just the 5i as a acceptable number two for my daughter.. (shes under 10) so a major upgrade she can probably get 4-5 years out of at her level before high school upgrade. Jarrod knows what he's talking about and you labtop companies.. better sponser this man.. just spent 5000 and it was worth it the moment i seen these videos. i think that's better than ad and commercial advertisement @msi @asus @lenovo @dell @alienware etc. Thank you Lenovo. Will keep can eye out for the 50 series :) and it better not be overpriced because Jarrod will let us know !
Great video! I was thinking of getting an asus vivobook pro 15 oled with an i9-13900h and a 6gb rtx 3050. Could you please review it?
I can compromise with performance, build quality but not with arrow keys🙁😫
when is the next QA video jarrod ?
and i wanted to ask a tuff question, should i buy this years G14 with a 4070 or wait for RTX 50 and ZEN5, i need a laptop this summer but if i get it in this summer i wont get the best value, currently owning a Strix G15 with a 4800H and a 3060, this laptop has huge performance problems, its slower than a 3050 while having a 3060, and cpu is 30% slower than the average same sku
hey Jarrod if this laptop was literally the cheapest 14 inch laptop available where Im from,would recommend this laptop? like if theprice difference with other laptops was around a thousand dollars and I really want to get a 14 inch laptop for digital sculpting, light 3d modeling and rendering images of my digital sculpts and the occasional gaming at low settings, would this laptop be a good companion device and not a main machine that I can take with me on the go?
Bought the Lenovo Legion Slim 5
My new laptop has a 10% bottleneck and is because the cpu is more powerful. Will undervoltimg it improve it?
This MSI Cyborg looks like a perfect candidate for a VBIOS flash (a VBIOS of 55-60W TDP will be just fine- almost a set and forget mod).
What is a vbios ?
And don't you have to buy better charger?
Never understood this 14 inch low config gaming laptop segment. Who is this really intended for?!? The screen is too small for gaming and the GPU is too weak to drive a nice external monitor.
Some people may have need for more power than non-dGPU laptop, but only have the living space for a 14" laptop. For example, I'm a university student who stays in a very tight dorm room, in which a third of the space is the bathroom, and that's when it was empty; and this was an upgrade from my previous dorm, which was even smaller. I certainly would appreciate a laptop at this size more than I would laptops at a larger size, let alone a PC - it's just much more practical for the living space that I do have.
This is just literally MSI GF Thin series with 'more fragile' (since it's plastic). For 1000$, I'd suggest buy Bravo 15 (that 200$ more cheaper) that has both numbers keyboard and one more fan or it's 15 series with numpads.
Please review the MSI Bravo 17
"that's just how tech work's"
It was to be a valid argument but is it really valid when we talk about laptops are they actually usin smaller anything when it comes to electronics?
I can only see a smaler battery and chase.
Does it use smaller ram? Capacitors?
Really what is smaller and cost's more to produce at that size.
I'm genuinely asking
When will you review the Msi Pulse 15 RTX 4070 ?
Msi:one fan is my untouchable limit
hey jarrod, can i ask how did you test the power scaling of the rtx 4060 mobile? specifically, how did you get it to run at 35w? i can't seem to set the power limit at lower than 60w in my lenovo slim 7
What scares me is that there is only one fan inside.
are u going to review the cyborg 15?
Just ordered an i5 12450h rtx 3050 version of this for 800 euros 🎉
@JarrodsTech Please 🙏🏾 the Razer Blade 16 2024 OLED. Half a Millisecond panel is insane 😅
Jarrod, Can You Please review the new Msi Katana 15 AI B8 ? I am planning to buy the one with Ryzen 7 8845HS, i want to know what is the benefit of having the 8000 series Ryzen
Will this be good for architecture 3d modeling and rendering?
Hi jarrod, i m looking to buy a new gaming laptop. Should i go for new loq 2024 14th gen 4060 or wait for new predator helios 16 (2024)
asus g14 and legion slim 14" are still on top
At twice the price I’ll happily pass on those and get the cyborg 14
@@ogkendrick6392 they are not twice the price, you can literally find both for 999$ or around 1k
dude the video literally showed the g14 for 999$
@ogkendrick6392 loq 15 is better
Lenovo LOQ 15 Ryzen 7 7840HS 8-GB 512-GB SSD RTX 4050 6gb and 1080p S.R Price 970$
or
HP VICTUS 16 R0085CL Core i7 13700H 16GB 1-TB SSD RTX 4070 8gb and 1080p S.R price 1310$
or
Lenovo Legion 5 Ryzen 7-7735HS, 16GB, 1-TB SSD, RTX 4060 8gb and 2K S.R Price $1270
.
Which one is the best option please suggest me????
I bought one. The machine is very light. After playing Elden's Ring for a while, it reached 60 frames.The battery is a bit small. I can only watch videos for 250 minutes. I have a 16g memory. I plan to upgrade to 32g to see if there will be any performance improvement.
More ram will not help
did you buy this laptop? what specs you got? did you go with the 4060 model? how are the temps as well? Im considering getting this laptop maybe the i7 rtx 4050 version I think the 4050 is enough for what im plannning to use it for Im just concerned with the build quality over time tho as I've heard horror stories about single fan msi laptops being close to e-waste quality
Hey Jarrod, you still based in Canberra? I’m curious if you know of any decent pc diagnostic/repair places.
Not sure sorry, never needed to look for one.
Still i was looking at rhis latoo for gaming and daily stuff not interested in heavy gaming. But do you think this is worth it?
just wanna throw this out there the cyborg 15 inch i have is a real pain to upgrade the nvme. the screw is so tight its impossible to take it out. msi tightened that particular screw way too hard. im sure the 14 inch is still the same but getting into the laptop is very easy.
I own an entry level cyborg 15. I bought it discounted 650 usd which is cheaper than any same spec laptop which range from 800-1000 usd due to taxes here in the Philippines. It is a powerful machine but I'm too worried about the temps due to its single fan design. The temps shows 70°C but the top cover above the keyboard is so hot to touch. My biggest regret with this laptop is the ram & storage thinking 8gb + 512gb is enough. Now I need to upgrade to 16gb + 1tb but it will cost me 150usd and it has a single ssd slot no expansion at all plus If I do it myself my warranty will be voided. I should have bought lenovo or an acer with a ryzen processor. The metal chasis really caught my attention with this laptop and now I regret with my decision. 😂
So, worth it?
Acer Helios neo 16 with i9 13900hx rtx4060 32gb ddr5 512gb SSD for 1100$ worth or not?
That chin though. Probably not a terrible option for people who want a cheaper, more portable laptop.
should i go for the cyborg 14 with rtx 4060 or stealth 14 with 4050?
I want to see Msi raider 18 & titan 18
Alienware m18
when would drop razer blade 16 & and asus rog strix scar 18?
Is cyborg 15 the same but just bigger
are broken hinges included. really never buy a MSI laptop, the hinges will brake within 1yr.
Can you test the 4060 version so we could know if it's worth it to get the higher priced option or not?
Check my 4050 vs 4060 comparison video, I won't be spending another $2000 AUD on another Cyborg sorry.
Can you review normal Cyborg 15?
Any chance you can review the omen transcend 16 2024 version with an oled screen?
gigabyte has a really wierd laptop last year, aorus 16 not the 2024 ver 16x
it got 4 fans and only got launched in taiwan
can you review that one before this year's 16X
4:34, poor CPU clockse due to high shared heat pipe,
GPU throttles due to excess heat from CPU.
7:30 , 7:58 so device clocks are reduced to make it cooler.
unlocked bios may help u to raise the throttling temp.
13:11, I dont take cyberpuncks result to compare with older gpu coz, its nvidia sponsored title and they will make it run better only in newer GPU.
Please compare 13700hx vs 13900hx vs 14700hx vs 14900hx
Well I didn't have much buying options so I basically had to go through Amazon I was just so excited to buy my first gaming laptop I maybe was a bit impulsive.. I didn't spend near enough time looking as I should have. Was able to get a Cyborg 15 with a 2 terabyte SSD and 64 ram an i7 and a 4060. Just hope it can at least run current gen games with good fps I love beam ng drive and battlefield.. physics sims I really hope I didn't mess up purchasing this model. Crossing my fingers for when it arrives.
Also thank you for the MSI cheat code for the control panel. I'll try to see if I can change the wattage myself.
Edit:
Didnt really do much tweaking nor did I mess with the bios. But I used MSI center to adjust my fan curve. And since the mobo and software use power and edp throttle limits laptop stays nice and cool with out having to max out the single poor fan doing all the work. Even throttling I can play ultra beam ng just fine. So happy running a nice 72 degrees no cooling pad at 4200 rpms for the fan. Very nice
hows the laptop treating you so far?
@@adrianalcomendras6754 It's actually very nice except my heat on the CPU runs at 80 degrees monitoring with XTU. The laptop only has one fan and the house has very poor air flow. I can safely use the laptop at night. But during the day when ambient temp outside is 90+ I don't really feel comfortable running games. 80 degrees Celsius is normal playing beam ng with traffic and cooler boost on.
Probably invest in a cooler fan to go underneath for the 5 degree difference. I'm really ocd so I'm worrying maybe too much.
Thank you for asking ☺️ 🙏 I hope I can make this computer last. I've had so much fun trying x4 foundations and beam with real life car mods. It's a like a dream come true.
@@jessicameow614 oh the temp thing sounds a bit alarming but yeah hopefully your laptop lasts. since there arent alot of reviews on the cyborg 14 I guess Im trying to use cyborg 15 laptop user experiene as a sort of baseline to go off of. hows the gaming experience so far?
@@adrianalcomendras6754 Funny story so I ended up tweaking the MSI bios and went around undervolting, and trying to lower power consumption on the CPU. But it turns out the way the system is configured or something made it run a bit hotter so I ended up choosing the default optimized settings and it actually got better temps playing star citizen flat 80c with fan going about 4200 4700 rpms smooth as butter I know laptops run a bit hotter so ill need a cooling pad. But either I didn't undervolt correctly or the mobo is already optimized to run at certain clock speeds and throttles when necessary. since it has above average specs no frames are really lost do to throttling. But I do wish I could get at least 70c would be nice. Any ideas?
@@adrianalcomendras6754 it's a great laptop as long as you can keep your room a decent temperature the laptop throttles but it never impacts performance even star citizen so long as the specs are fine. I didn't need to tune anything really I tried but failed.
The mobo is designed to push the card and CPU till a certain point and it cools down naturally. Adjusting the fan curve is all I really did. Put it in performance mode and every game you play looks beautiful and runs smooth.
Where I live it's always hot especially in the day so the laptop would just be circulating hot air which doesn't help temps. The laptop doesn't need max fan boost either just a nice decent room and elevated a little bit and it's totally fine. Great laptop so far love how sturdy it feels and the metallic looks. And the keyboard is super nice and comes with a numpad. I'm very happy with it
that muddy, translucent plastic shell is hideous, geez
But, with all this features in the BIOS can you increase power limit for the GPU?
No, that's an Nvidia limit, would need VBIOS flash I imagine.
does the 4060 ver, still has the 45 watt limit?
Yes 😢 is very bad laptop
Interesting.
Decent FHD 144 Hz screen but still a 45W GPU, the thermal results suggest a higher TDP GPU could definitely have been a possibility here.
Definitely, should've been a 60W RTX 4050. Maybe even higher, but I wouldn't really know how strong that fan is for both of the CPU and the GPU. Could've been a higher TGP, that's for sure.
Can you make a review on Asus Scar 18 g834 2024
What about the cyborg 15 ?
I cant seem to find the stealth 14 with the 4070 anywhere.
Hello, I see that cyborg and other msi laptops has 1 fan, can be this a problem ? I intend to by a budget laptop that will run without heat issues in a hot area (summer 45°), what you recommend? Thanks
The temps are good look at video
Guys, Which laptop brand is the best for i9 and 4070? (I had around 2400 usd budget)