That's a good point. If they add one more, it should end up net positive and uncompromise the compromises that they uncompromised with double uncompromise negatives.
@@TonyChan-eh3nz These days the dare is the RMA process, where they will tell you a slight scratch or dent isn't normal use and they will need to charge you the cost of the entire product to fix.
I guess to them “water cooled” is better for marketing even if it’s an inferior cooling solution for the job. I fell for that marketing when I was new to computers and bought a Antec 120MM water cooler and could barely OC my 3570K to 4.3ghz. Upgraded to a Noctua air cooler years later and bam! 4.8ghz with lower temps. lol
makes sense, the low profile fan is probably struggling to move air past the radiator when it is partially blocked from the intake side and has a fan blowing next to it into the same enclosure and raising the air pressure (which is already high because of the big radiator on top... Stupid design.
@@HifeMan Water Cooling AIO loops used to be amazing when the alternatives were wimpy stock coolers or comically large and expensive air coolers, but air cooling has progressed so much in the last decade that I think consumers haven't caught up yet and companies are slapping "AIO Water Cooling" in things because it sounds like a premium feature even if the performance isn't there.
I missed that (I think my wife was talking to me for a sec, so thanks for pointing it out. Having watched the StarForge vid and this one, thanks for pointing out a joke I completely missed.
@The_Necrogeddon its actually surprising there arent more metal jokes from him. Nobody grows their hair out like Steve if they arent a hardcore metalhead who wants to headbang at concerts.
you sthey hired anyone so they dident compremise on staff either... they could have compremised ob the staff and only hire qualified people but they didnt they choose not to and hire anyone..... that is a real 0 compremise move rigth there :D
@@ggoddkkiller1342 its hard to get people motivated at a big company. too much bearacracy and a lot of people are there just for the paycheck. smaller companies people are there for a reason or if they are there for a paycheck theres not enough slack to hide so you wont last long if your not performing to spec
Seems like Starforge actually learned too cause the issue wasnt there in the 2nd SF system they tore down. I would have never thought Starforge would work out but it seems like they're pretty ok.
I did a lot of designing packaging for another company. After a while, you don’t see that anymore. I just took everything to a colleague in the warehouse, he had nothing to do with the products and no understanding of the specifications, but found lots of errors. Even quality assurance didn’t find it when looking at it and telling there is an error on it in big letters… and they find every error in a tenth of a millimeter 😂. But in the end, Corsair is such a big company, this really can’t be true compared to my former company with like 40 people.
"They can't pull air through plastic" Maybe they acquired a license deal from Thermaltake where they pull air in from the fourth dimension using a time cube, a tesseract and their bag of holding.
Investor Capitalism is one of the worst things ever. Corporations having to justify and ensure that they are getting higher and higher profits every quarter (leading to layoffs, corner cutting, etc.)
I was just about to comment this and your comment was the top one with lots of thumbs up. I'm now another :) Corsair has went completely downhill since going public
These reviews from you guys are 100% why i decided to build my own PC. I cannot imagine spending this much money and having a terribly inferior product that requires me to go over the entire thing in order to have it run properly. Thank you to the Nexus for making these videos.
and it's still completely unclear what product differentiations/market segments they are targeting even when you know what it means. is performance about performance value or high performance? is enthusiast higher or lower than arsenal? this is just acronym word salad for marketing without actually informing the customer.
That is probably the only thing of worth in this build. But I think this case could get a better build with better performance. It may end up like the Zotac MEk1 with cases being sold empty on China.
I don't mind a plug to sell stuff. Not at all. I just hate when some channels do it for minutes long. You guys do a good job just popping it in for a few seconds at a time throughout the video. I can appreciate that.
Everything I've heard about iCue makes Synapse look good, and Synapse is one of the worst pieces of software ever. Thank fuck I don't ever need to use any of that horseshit on Linux.
I will never understand this obsession with throwing an i9 into everything. with a 7800X3D they could'Ve gotten a better gaming CPU for cheaper and actually gotten away with their piece of crap they call a cooler because that thing barely draws any power. But no, gotta throw the CPU-equivalent of a battering ram into everything, despite it probably never going to be used beyond 20%, because... bigger number better I guess?
Intel helps funds the r&d or advertisement if they put their i9s in the systems so even if someone goes to make their own they go “oh all of these systems use an i9 maybe I should too”
People do genuinely have a use for a 14900k. If you do anything CPU-heavy, a 7800X3D is a bad choice. Plus, Intel has way more sway in the pre-built space, because a 7950X3D would have been fine in here
I use an 8 year old Obsidian case from Corsair and it is actually amazing. It is gigantic, designed well, and fits 8 case fans inside it. It has had 3 builds go through it and I really don't have any reason to upgrade yet.
i thought case airflow rendering was just a joke thing you did for the case with the panel that falls out, but you guys are actually doing this as a standard part of your case reviews? incredible work and attention to detail. i'll have to buy some swag to support you guys, between such a high standard for your reviews and investigative journalism you guys are killing it.
@@GamersNexus Don't know. But after some two minutes, I got a bit of a vibe.😅 Anyway, been watching since 2017. And I just love seeing companies being held accountable for their nonsense to such an extent they can't weasel their way out of it.
31:48 I would love if you guys did a series building pc’s from start to finish with parts you select at different price ranges. I bought a prebuilt because I wasn’t comfortable building myself, if I watched you build one in the 2000$ range I would have 100% done it.
Gordon Ramsey once explained to a chef that people go out to fine dine for an experience they can’t recreate themselves. We need him to yell at the Corsair CEO for this abomination.
I doubt I could fuck it up as much by myself. I can do fuck ups like putting the fans in the wrong direction but I find out after I see the terrible temps and fix it
The Norway - Black Metal - Just look at me, I KNOW, bit was absolutely golden! Thanks for another great vid Steve. Regarding the topic at hand, I've learned since my early teen years (more or less), to never go with pre-built desktops. Even our first pc, a PIII - 700Mhz Compaq Pressario, I got my hands on it and upgraded it as soon as I started understanding computer stuff. And not that was anything particularly wrong with that computer back then, I just felt that I could get more out of it with a few tweaks here and there. Eventually built my first pc around 2002-3. I always remember seeing ads of overpriced / underspec pre-builts and thinking "I can build better for cheaper"! The good old days, amirite?!
@@matiasbeckerle I just like the idea of Steve walking at Computex to ASUS booth with two backpacks, absolutely BLASTING Emperor before confronting them about their RMA issues lol
Actually, a compromise would mean that they gave up one thing to get another. They gave up performance *and* thermals, so it's technically not a compromise. --- /s just in case.
Videos like these solidify my belief in building your own PC. You could've built a way better system for 4700 dollars as a consumer buying this computer.
Literally just built my brother a pc and he bought the parts from Micro center. 7800x3d 4090 64gb of ram 4tb m.2 I think he paid $3400 and the difference between that and this Corsair pc is he could buy an oled monitor and a great mouse and keyboard with probably some extra money left.
For the price the customer is paying, how difficult would it have been to just attach even the smallest, shittiest aluminum finned heatsink to those VRMs? Just make an effort!
These are the kinds of systems that are bought by rich parents for spoiled kids and thrown in the landfill when they break in a year from thermal death. No VRM cooling on the video card mosfets? That thing is not going to survive. The GPU and memory are close to or at 100C, you can be guaranteed those mosfets are going to be double that all the time.
As a person and consumer i have to say good on you GN, i went and read your ethics policies that were posted in the description after seeing your ad and must give you props for the transparency and sticking to your beliefs. I have watched for years and enjoy the un edited and clearly not corporate washed speeches through your channel. Awesome job GN team!
the work y'all have been putting into animation and whatnot is MUCH appreciated. the fact that corsair couldn't even take the time to model all of that and actually make meaningful additions to this Very Specifically Tooled For case is insane
Bro my 14700k runs warmer than I’d like with a 360 aio, and they running a 14900k with a 120? Are they literally on drugs? Edit: deleted the “in” before my
This reminds me of what happened to Omen and Alienware. Compare the first couple generation of those to modern. Same thing. Dell ruined Alienware, HP ruined Omen and Corsair got the same treatment once it went public. Wonder how Origin has been doing?
Proud owner of the i200! Modified it day 1 because Corsair does not know how to setup cooling. Ended up transplanting the system to another case. Still rocking til this day.
Turns out a goblin king in his attic filled with Dr. Pepper cups builds better PC's than a well known multinational computer brand. What a time to be alive.
GN, i got so used to your really high bar of content quality and depth. Was looking for info about specific pc case recently, and a lot of "reviews" are footage of empty case on the table. No temps, no fan specs, sometimes even without building experience/impressions. Nothing useful! For bare specs i can open product page on the manufacturer site. Thanks for the content guys.
"That is the success of a person who cuts off the circulation of his fingers to carry all the grocery bags in, in one trip." Phew, may as well have called my name out.
They can get away with it because their target audience doesn't have the time to do research. They think Corsair is a good brand, and they think they need the most expensive intel CPU and Nvidia GPU.
they couldn't care less about Steve's review, the people who watch him aren't buying these, they build their own. they sell these to the people who don't know better
I lack the technical knowledge to figure this is a bad PC build on my own. Thanfully I also lack the money to even think about buying such a PC. I checked a bit to try to maby build a quiet cheap gaming PC and the only thing I understand is a Ryzen 7600 is "good enough", is within my budget and not hard to cool. Totally ignorant on motherboards, might use stock CPU cooler or get a thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE cooler as apparently the stock one isn't very quiet. No clue on what case is appropriate for a budget quiet build. Or how to figure where to add X fans to a case. Maby one day.
I live in Sweden, so with all the extra taxes and a weak currency that means that this pc, when bought from a retailer goes for 6235 dollars today. As an aside, from the same retailer, i can pick together a system with the same cpu+gpu combo, same size ssd, ram, 1200W gold psu, NZXT H7 Flow (It seems to have good reviews) and a 360 mm AIO for 4493 dollars. Including 145 ish dollars for a licensed copy of Windows 11, and the computer assembled and everything set up so that i could just start it up. Good lord this thing is a real abomination.
Classic corsair. Overpriced mediocre hardware or bad configuration of good hardwasre, nonfunctional software, terrible QC.. the only thing missing is blow moulded parts charging the price of their competitors machined/injection/metal parts.
Excellent (and uncompromising) review of a sadly compromised PC. Very nice work with the 3d visualization. GN really taking stuff to the next level with production quality!
They're just trying to throw the CPU with the biggest number in there for uneducated people. Not that it's acceptable, but you can tell by it having a top of the line GPU and top of the line CPU that it's just about selling product stats to people who just buy stuff without research.
Because they're thinking that a person who's buying a pre-built most likely isn't gonna notice if there's a cooling problem in the first place. Without tools you're unlikely to notice if your CPU is running at 100C and is dropping 600+ MHz of clocks compared to how it should be. It's not like the PC is lagging constantly because it's overheating.
The 120mm was on GPU, CPU had 240mm. Still, too much obstructions internally for air to enter and exit anywhere. edit: I'm an idiot I reversed what they did!
The funny thing is, they could have just used all their own off the shelf parts, not gotten all wacky and Alienware with the case and cooling, and built a fine machine. And WTF is up with that GPU cooling solution?!? That GPU block has to be the most whacked-out nonsense I've ever seen.
@@alexmaldonado2804, black metal is a subgenre of metal music originating from Norway. Typically it is heavily orchestrated, usually with satanic themes. The first reply in this thread is from a user with a pentagram as his profile picture, which is why I said "this checks out."
Since Corsair is obviously going to see this, it would be awesome if you did a video taking the initial data, then fixing all the thermal and cooling issues in the build, running the data again, and showing Corsair how they SHOULD have done it.
you should fix all the thermal problems, and then make a video titled 'we fixed corsairs thermal problems for less than $50, why couldn't they do this?' or something
JayzTwoCents took a swing at this system a couple months ago. He replaced the 3 side fans with better options, then replaced the 120mm AIO with a low profile air cooler. "This is bad... REALLY bad..." followed by "Well... that was an unexpected improvement..." Still didn't deliver full 14900k performance, but better than stock.
Yeah unfortunately he had to zip tie the air cooler fan on to get a thicker fan as a low profile cooler fan was not made for a 14900k. There may not be an easy and cheap fix for anyone that bought one of these systems.
Random Product feedback: Just had to swap to my red mousemat because .. I spilled coffee over the blue one, as one does. Gave it a gentle cold hand wash with appropriate detergent and it is absolutely and pristinely perfect after drying. Excellent!
I have 68 degrees on my 4090 FE under full load! Corsair, what the f...?! They are even SELLING watercooling parts! Am I supposed to consider buying them after such display of performance
I have the cheapest, base MSI 4070 with the two crappy fans (yes, the loud ish kinda ones) and I don't think I've ever seen more than 66° on it at full load with ray tracing and my hotspot has NEVER seen 80. 94?!! At least give me a bag of marshmallows to roast while I'm getting ripped off, damn Edit: I should mention that my room sits between 76-80°F, or 24.4-26.7°C vs the 22°C (71.6°F) that GN tested it at. Guess Corsair, errr excuse me, Corsiar assumes you got AC if you're spending near five grand on a computer
@@Koyote2033 their hotspot also hasn't seen more than 70. the 94c value is the vram junction temp. I have a 3090 so I don't know 4090s, but it most definitely goes to shit on 3090s due to no active cooling on the chips on the back of the board.
@@illyaeater that's a fair point. It's definitely not an equal test, but that by and far is still excessive in this case. Corsair basically did the laziest thing possible
multiple sources of joy, from the bad job they did, the wonderful video we get from gn and the money we will not waste on that pos, it is a win win win situation
Which pre-built brand is next? Give us your requests in the comments and we'll get some more in. Ideally something good, this time. CHECK OUT OUR CPU FAB TOUR DOCUMENTARY! Went live this weekend! ua-cam.com/video/IUIh0fOUcrQ/v-deo.html Find the last Corsair pre-built we reviewed here -- the $6600 Origin PC (which Corsair owns) Genesis: ua-cam.com/video/bflZYG5DWPg/v-deo.html Or our pre-built reviews playlist here: ua-cam.com/video/Gqm4V-8F-7k/v-deo.html We liked the Starforge Lowkey pre-built, which you can find here: ua-cam.com/video/yI_SN7cpTas/v-deo.html
Id like to see the modern form factor alienwares that look like a normal pc. Id still never buy one since they screwed me in the psst but i wanna see if them going from crazy look to normal look fixed issues
Just some kind of traditional ATX tower would be nice. These unique, tiny towers are nifty and all, but if I'm recommending a pre-built to a friend, it's one that can easily be serviced or upgraded. Because I'll need to be able to walk them through adding an extra HDD/SSD, replacing the video card, swapping out RAM....whatever.
Corsair’s QC is just non-existent after going public. I’ve had to RMA pretty much everything I’ve bought from them over the last 4 years because it was DOA. Thankfully the RMA process is just a rubber stamp at this point and gets pushed thru as long as you can provide proof of purchase but still…
What a boss location to drop that sponsor. Hah! Curious to what they do with the PC after they are done with the video? Sell? Return? Give away? Keep in a growing pile in a warehouse?
@@gupler Smaller companies are not perfect and can also sell bad products and provide bad customer service but good luck putting a desktop together while avoiding the bigger and well known companies, you might as well avoid building a desktop to begin with.
@@nitrowarrior-lj5ip I am talking about premade brand computers. They are all overpriced shit filled with ewaste and anything they had in the warehouse is just jammed in there.
I see the problem, they needed a 7th "uncompromised" since the first 6 cancel eachother out
That's a good point. If they add one more, it should end up net positive and uncompromise the compromises that they uncompromised with double uncompromise negatives.
@@GamersNexus Just one more uncompromised bro. One more and it will work. Just one more bro
I don’t know… I feel *11* would truly be “uncompromised”
So that's why Asus keep spamming "For those who dare"
@@TonyChan-eh3nz These days the dare is the RMA process, where they will tell you a slight scratch or dent isn't normal use and they will need to charge you the cost of the entire product to fix.
We actually found that installing a low profile air cooler yielded WAY better temps than the 120mm aio on a 14900k... its a very bad design.
What the everloving f*** f***...
A compromise being an air cooler removed the compromised AiO?
I guess to them “water cooled” is better for marketing even if it’s an inferior cooling solution for the job.
I fell for that marketing when I was new to computers and bought a Antec 120MM water cooler and could barely OC my 3570K to 4.3ghz.
Upgraded to a Noctua air cooler years later and bam! 4.8ghz with lower temps. lol
makes sense, the low profile fan is probably struggling to move air past the radiator when it is partially blocked from the intake side and has a fan blowing next to it into the same enclosure and raising the air pressure (which is already high because of the big radiator on top... Stupid design.
@@HifeMan Water Cooling AIO loops used to be amazing when the alternatives were wimpy stock coolers or comically large and expensive air coolers, but air cooling has progressed so much in the last decade that I think consumers haven't caught up yet and companies are slapping "AIO Water Cooling" in things because it sounds like a premium feature even if the performance isn't there.
I made a few purchasing mistakes when I built my own computer. Watching something like this makes me feel 100% better😊😊😊
Same its a learning experience for sure
12:57 "Screw guy was fired from starforge and now works for corsair" Killed me
I missed that (I think my wife was talking to me for a sec, so thanks for pointing it out. Having watched the StarForge vid and this one, thanks for pointing out a joke I completely missed.
glad he landed on his feet after starforge
@@wenicu3 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yo! UA-cam comment section.
''or black metal, presumably sourced from norway'' 🤣Nice one Steve! Glad to see uncompromised jokes!
As a Norwegian I approve😂
I laughed so hard. Didn't expect that.
didn't see that coming from Steve! Left me speechless
@The_Necrogeddon its actually surprising there arent more metal jokes from him. Nobody grows their hair out like Steve if they arent a hardcore metalhead who wants to headbang at concerts.
@@thesorrow312 I was under the impression that Steve wasn't a metalhead and that the long hair is simply coincidence, but I think I was mistaken
The GPU radiator fan reading temp data from the CPU is absolutely epic levels of incompetence. I'm genuinely impressed by that one.
On the WiFi antennae case they spelled "Corsiar", they can't even spell their name right...
Unbelievable. No compromises indeed. They wouldn’t compromise and consult a dictionary
No expense was spared.
Looks like the whole thing is made in china or some redneck hellhole in alabama or something
time stamp?
you sthey hired anyone so they dident compremise on staff either... they could have compremised ob the staff and only hire qualified people but they didnt they choose not to and hire anyone..... that is a real 0 compremise move rigth there :D
This makes loose screws from Starforge look like such a minuscule mistake.
Corsair making Starforge look even better
And their new model was faultless in tear down last time! Big companies became so weird man, they are literally trying to screw us..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 its hard to get people motivated at a big company. too much bearacracy and a lot of people are there just for the paycheck. smaller companies people are there for a reason or if they are there for a paycheck theres not enough slack to hide so you wont last long if your not performing to spec
@@ggoddkkiller1342 yeah, they should spend more time screwing their screws instead of their customers
Seems like Starforge actually learned too cause the issue wasnt there in the 2nd SF system they tore down. I would have never thought Starforge would work out but it seems like they're pretty ok.
That black metal joke made me spit out some morning coffee. Well done, Steve 😂
So glad I wasn’t the only one who did a spit take 😂😂😂
27:20 they really wrote "Corsiar One Accessory Kit". Staying uncompromised in their choice of spelling.
Welp, spellchecking everything would have cost another 300 bucks probably.. Oo
@@boenkstah You mean to tell me that they can't even afford that?
Came here to say this, amazing they misspelled their own name.
Plot twist: they actually rename themselves "Corsiar" to avoid admitting it was an error.
I did a lot of designing packaging for another company. After a while, you don’t see that anymore. I just took everything to a colleague in the warehouse, he had nothing to do with the products and no understanding of the specifications, but found lots of errors. Even quality assurance didn’t find it when looking at it and telling there is an error on it in big letters… and they find every error in a tenth of a millimeter 😂. But in the end, Corsair is such a big company, this really can’t be true compared to my former company with like 40 people.
"They can't pull air through plastic"
Maybe they acquired a license deal from Thermaltake where they pull air in from the fourth dimension using a time cube, a tesseract and their bag of holding.
lol, imagine how even more needlessly complex computers would be in a magic world like DnD or discworld
Time Cube is god. It has 4 corners
The wizards at Unseen University have a computer in Discworld. It’s called Hex and it runs on ants.
@@r0bw1l73 With an "Anthill Inside" sticker
"I understood that reference."
20:06 lol, "you melt this and shape it into" a heatsink, great stuff, great video
What happens when companies go public: Massive corner cutting on design and quality, more spending on marketing.
Investor Capitalism is one of the worst things ever. Corporations having to justify and ensure that they are getting higher and higher profits every quarter (leading to layoffs, corner cutting, etc.)
Every company that I’ve worked at that went public enshîtifies and forgets what made the company get there - product and customer trust.
I was just about to comment this and your comment was the top one with lots of thumbs up. I'm now another :) Corsair has went completely downhill since going public
Yep. I've noticed this in video game companies especially. Blizzard went from being brilliant and very pro-consumer to, well, what you see today.
@@blankii333 you are so right!!! (watches my portfolio continue to grow)
The “black metal” joke at 4:51 is just another reason I keep coming back to this channel
I love his humor!
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I'd like one in symphonic metal please!
Steve definitely likes his cornflakes crispy!
These reviews from you guys are 100% why i decided to build my own PC. I cannot imagine spending this much money and having a terribly inferior product that requires me to go over the entire thing in order to have it run properly. Thank you to the Nexus for making these videos.
MEG - MSI Enthusiast Gaming
MPG - MSI Performance Gaming
MAG - MSI Arsenal Gaming
Please don't look at me like that, I didn't make it up!
MSI: We put the _arse_ in Arsenal.
also dragons
Shut up Meg
MIG: LETS BRING SOME FREEDOM TO THE MIDWEST!!!!!!
and it's still completely unclear what product differentiations/market segments they are targeting even when you know what it means. is performance about performance value or high performance? is enthusiast higher or lower than arsenal? this is just acronym word salad for marketing without actually informing the customer.
$1625 over DIY... that's another whole PC
Or just the GPU...
It's not even a whole other PC. It's a whole other *really, really nice* PC.
Or the rest of a decent setup (monitor, peripherals, chair, desk,...)
My 4070 super and Ryzen7500f is like 1100$
@@Beany2007FTW 7800x3d and 7900gre pc
I love it when Steve begins to hates an SI's build so much he just starts being less careful with parts as the teardown goes on. 🤣
27:25 The accessory box says "CORSIAR"
LMFAO that's incredible
That's why they were missing accessories. Wrong computer
They hired the screw guy from Starforge, and the guy who labels boxes for Harbor Freight products.
I'll sum it up for ya: What a terrible waste of Walnut.
A tree died for this!
That is probably the only thing of worth in this build. But I think this case could get a better build with better performance. It may end up like the Zotac MEk1 with cases being sold empty on China.
if that is real neneer, could be just plastic, and tbh i dont like how it looks
They should have made wooden fans.Would improve airflow and look much cooler.
It's fake walnut surrounded by plastic, and it's awful.
Reminds me of things from the 1970s when that was the fashion.
I don't mind a plug to sell stuff. Not at all. I just hate when some channels do it for minutes long. You guys do a good job just popping it in for a few seconds at a time throughout the video. I can appreciate that.
At $4700 they used a B Series board??!! On top of everything else, omfg
Should be at least a gaming Wi-Fi series board, but preferably a Dark Hero Apex Encore or Crosshair.
@@BarryWallace-se8lz The right answer is z790.
@@BarryWallace-se8lzI’d love to see this running with a Z790 DARK.
a good B-Board is fine for prebuilts
@@markus1351 No the fuck it's not, specially at 4700$ price tag. That's like buying a Ferrari with a 60mph restrictor plate that you cannot remove.
the 3D animation is TOP NOTCH. I'm truly impressed
Best thing about this is that it doesn't use iCUE, despite it being Corsairs own in house solution
Wouldn't even wipe my ass with that software.
Everything I've heard about iCue makes Synapse look good, and Synapse is one of the worst pieces of software ever. Thank fuck I don't ever need to use any of that horseshit on Linux.
I approve of Norwegian sourced black metal.
Nowadays I find polish black metal superior
Don't get this option if you are going to run it in a church though
But when it is made by Vikernes the thermals are going to be pretty hot.
any good recommendations?
@@DragonMaster360 not Norwegian but black braid is sick af
I will never understand this obsession with throwing an i9 into everything.
with a 7800X3D they could'Ve gotten a better gaming CPU for cheaper and actually gotten away with their piece of crap they call a cooler because that thing barely draws any power.
But no, gotta throw the CPU-equivalent of a battering ram into everything, despite it probably never going to be used beyond 20%, because... bigger number better I guess?
B-but bigger number better!
Intel helps funds the r&d or advertisement if they put their i9s in the systems so even if someone goes to make their own they go “oh all of these systems use an i9 maybe I should too”
Reminder that intel has been caught in bribery and fraud schemes to make this happen before
Or a 14600K...
People do genuinely have a use for a 14900k. If you do anything CPU-heavy, a 7800X3D is a bad choice. Plus, Intel has way more sway in the pre-built space, because a 7950X3D would have been fine in here
Watching stuff like this makes me glad I just keep refreshing my old Antec 1200 case build from 2008.
Nice case i have one too ! Good design never gets old .👍
@@SlowBadger74 I almost replaced it during a recent refresh, but thought hey it still works as a case and its just wasteful to throw it away.
Oh hell yes! Mine is still in use too! 👍
Dang I still have that case sitting my garage. Best case I had ever own. Might use it in a build soon actually!
I use an 8 year old Obsidian case from Corsair and it is actually amazing. It is gigantic, designed well, and fits 8 case fans inside it. It has had 3 builds go through it and I really don't have any reason to upgrade yet.
Opening the metal can to find wires instead of a PCB for the front IO was a true bait and switch moment.
Glad you didn't compromise in the review ;)
He had to compromise on his feelings of not wanting to work on such a disappointment
Linus is offended by this comment!🤣
i thought case airflow rendering was just a joke thing you did for the case with the panel that falls out, but you guys are actually doing this as a standard part of your case reviews? incredible work and attention to detail. i'll have to buy some swag to support you guys, between such a high standard for your reviews and investigative journalism you guys are killing it.
I feel this system might be compromised. 🤔
Not sure though, so I guess I have to watch the entire video.
hahaha, what gave you the impression the system might be compromised?!
@@GamersNexus Don't know. But after some two minutes, I got a bit of a vibe.😅
Anyway, been watching since 2017. And I just love seeing companies being held accountable for their nonsense to such an extent they can't weasel their way out of it.
I hope at least the compromises are uncompromised :-D
@@GamersNexus At 27:25 on the yellow box it says Corsiar. 😅
@@DanielWW2 Good catch. :)
it's not corsairs fault! it's because GTA VI is not out yet!
Darude - Sandstorm
Was scrolling down the comments in the hope someone would bring this joke.
I was not let down :)
Thanks Steve, for all you keep on doing for us! We watch your videos all the time in our office.
Corsair ONE i500!!! The i stands for incompetence and the 500 stands for the 500 bad decisions made along the way :)
You forgot the ONE, which stands for the ONE braincell the Board of Directors shared when they approved this
Overpriced industrial waste.
yupp
Corsair in a nutshell
Correct.
That's being generous
31:48 I would love if you guys did a series building pc’s from start to finish with parts you select at different price ranges. I bought a prebuilt because I wasn’t comfortable building myself, if I watched you build one in the 2000$ range I would have 100% done it.
Yeah their last build guide is 8 years old. Things are the same, but different.
Gordon Ramsey once explained to a chef that people go out to fine dine for an experience they can’t recreate themselves. We need him to yell at the Corsair CEO for this abomination.
But that's exactly what it is,I couldn't possibly screw it up this badly myself.
I doubt I could fuck it up as much by myself.
I can do fuck ups like putting the fans in the wrong direction but I find out after I see the terrible temps and fix it
It's FUCKING RAW!
WHERE'S THE THERMAL PASTE?!?!?
WHO MOUNTED THIS??? YOU DONKEY!!!
They should’ve named it the Corsair None, to, you know, match the number of upgrades you get when switching to it.
The Norway - Black Metal - Just look at me, I KNOW, bit was absolutely golden! Thanks for another great vid Steve. Regarding the topic at hand, I've learned since my early teen years (more or less), to never go with pre-built desktops. Even our first pc, a PIII - 700Mhz Compaq Pressario, I got my hands on it and upgraded it as soon as I started understanding computer stuff. And not that was anything particularly wrong with that computer back then, I just felt that I could get more out of it with a few tweaks here and there. Eventually built my first pc around 2002-3. I always remember seeing ads of overpriced / underspec pre-builts and thinking "I can build better for cheaper"! The good old days, amirite?!
A 120mm radiator for a 14900K? You gotta be kidding me.
Right, you can't make that up. the level of incompetence is staggering.
Unbelievable, truly. That cooler would be too weak even for a Ryzen 7600, never mind the hottest Intel desktop CPU out there.
120mm radiator with a 120mm SLIM fan!!!!
Nope. Uncompromised....incompetence.
They copied DELL with this insane cooling stunt.
Excellent black metal reference 😂
I felt validated.
Always knew his nice hair had to mean something 😂
@@TheSnoClan right? when he says "obviously" pointing to his hair 🤣
@@matiasbeckerle I just like the idea of Steve walking at Computex to ASUS booth with two backpacks, absolutely BLASTING Emperor before confronting them about their RMA issues lol
Actually been looking at a new pc this past week. Have scored Corsair off my list of considerations, thanks!
0:21 Thanks Steve
Thanks Steve
Thanks Steve
Actually, a compromise would mean that they gave up one thing to get another. They gave up performance *and* thermals, so it's technically not a compromise.
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/s just in case.
And noise. and maintainability. And price. And...
They get money from people who don't realise they gave up everything else.
Videos like these solidify my belief in building your own PC. You could've built a way better system for 4700 dollars as a consumer buying this computer.
Literally just built my brother a pc and he bought the parts from Micro center.
7800x3d
4090
64gb of ram
4tb m.2
I think he paid $3400 and the difference between that and this Corsair pc is he could buy an oled monitor and a great mouse and keyboard with probably some extra money left.
@@JETSFAN2017 preach
A 4090 in aus is 3.5k youre already at the pre build cost with the cpu and gpu.
You could build _two_ pretty great systems for $4700.
A 4090 with uncooled VRM.
Let me repeat.
A 4090 with uncooled VRM.
GPU VRMs already have a certain tendency to catastrophically die even with adequate cooling. I fear for the life of those poor 4090s.
For the price the customer is paying, how difficult would it have been to just attach even the smallest, shittiest aluminum finned heatsink to those VRMs? Just make an effort!
I honestly feel empathy for the card. I just want to give that 4090 a hug.
They destroyed that card. That's actually a crime
Why do they need cooling anyway?
It's not like 450W of power going through them is gonna create any heat or anything.
These are the kinds of systems that are bought by rich parents for spoiled kids and thrown in the landfill when they break in a year from thermal death.
No VRM cooling on the video card mosfets? That thing is not going to survive. The GPU and memory are close to or at 100C, you can be guaranteed those mosfets are going to be double that all the time.
The 3D custom animation to visualize the airflow is so cool !
As a person and consumer i have to say good on you GN, i went and read your ethics policies that were posted in the description after seeing your ad and must give you props for the transparency and sticking to your beliefs. I have watched for years and enjoy the un edited and clearly not corporate washed speeches through your channel. Awesome job GN team!
Lying is now apparently the corporate default setting: Especially for marketing. And NOT just for Corsair! Although they are BAD.
Lying is the first and foremost law of marketing, always was.
The Black Metal from Norway comment made my day. The dry humor delivered with the same tone cadence as just information is amazing :)
the work y'all have been putting into animation and whatnot is MUCH appreciated. the fact that corsair couldn't even take the time to model all of that and actually make meaningful additions to this Very Specifically Tooled For case is insane
Cut it
Glue it
Melt it
Shape it
Build it
Test it
First
Benchmark it
Technologic
I am singing all this to the tune of "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" in my head.
@@TheRogueWolf fork sprung compromised
Boil it
Mash it
Stick it in a stew
Your work is an incredibly important public service for which you go through a lot of difficulties. You are a rare gem!
Thank you.
Bro my 14700k runs warmer than I’d like with a 360 aio, and they running a 14900k with a 120? Are they literally on drugs? Edit: deleted the “in” before my
No, and they really need to talk to their doctor about getting back on them.
greed is one helluva drug
Not being on drugs would be an unacceptable compromise for corsair
Same boat as you. 14700kf with a 360. I dont even wanna try an i9 with a 360.
They prob assume it will last just long enough until the warranty expires. They can’t be this dumb, just greedy
This reminds me of what happened to Omen and Alienware. Compare the first couple generation of those to modern. Same thing. Dell ruined Alienware, HP ruined Omen and Corsair got the same treatment once it went public. Wonder how Origin has been doing?
Proud owner of the i200! Modified it day 1 because Corsair does not know how to setup cooling. Ended up transplanting the system to another case. Still rocking til this day.
Watching Steve beat the crap out of dumb companies remains one of the pleasures of life.
He's just improving the bad airflow by tearing them a new one.
Turns out a goblin king in his attic filled with Dr. Pepper cups builds better PC's than a well known multinational computer brand. What a time to be alive.
the roach king actually cares about the product, and afaik it's not a public company
There is no period in Dr Pepper. He's not even a real doctor!
I think ya'll are missing the joke. He's not referring to the Starforge PCs. He's referring to the one Asmon put together himself.
@@EkiToji That explains it! I went to him, he had me drop trau, turn my head and cough. I said, "Pretty thorough for an eye exam, doc!"
i thought you were talking about Cyraxx, until you said the pc building part. Cyraxx is a horrorCow on YT
GN, i got so used to your really high bar of content quality and depth.
Was looking for info about specific pc case recently, and a lot of "reviews" are footage of empty case on the table. No temps, no fan specs, sometimes even without building experience/impressions. Nothing useful! For bare specs i can open product page on the manufacturer site.
Thanks for the content guys.
Corsair went to make an pc and ended up making an oven instead
good one
Oven with wifi 😂
@@guitarsolos89 "An IoT Oven that can't bake anything but itself but with a Supposedly PC within it".
More like a bomb over time with that atrocious cooling
Sweet, now I can bake delicious cookies to help alleviate the stress from my CPU getting roasted.
"That is the success of a person who cuts off the circulation of his fingers to carry all the grocery bags in, in one trip."
Phew, may as well have called my name out.
Corsair are anti consumer and have ben for YEARS. I don;t buy there products
@@fwabbleI think you’re lost
Your airflow animations were fantastic - hope you can keep doing more of those.
From positives - it's a pretty furniture. Serves no purpose, but it's nice to look at.
this is not a pc at all! it is and expensive cat warmer!
I have not yet heard of a tinier more expensive furniture until today. 😂
@@xenodraken377 You're right! It can be useful, thanks for noticing. Maybe it can work also as a mushroom dryer.
Poor companies. How will they ever get away with this kind of bad stuff if someone is actually fact-checking them.
They can get away with it because their target audience doesn't have the time to do research. They think Corsair is a good brand, and they think they need the most expensive intel CPU and Nvidia GPU.
I like to think there are a bunch of C-suite bozos at these companies whos eyes start twitching every time GN posts
they couldn't care less about Steve's review, the people who watch him aren't buying these, they build their own. they sell these to the people who don't know better
I lack the technical knowledge to figure this is a bad PC build on my own. Thanfully I also lack the money to even think about buying such a PC.
I checked a bit to try to maby build a quiet cheap gaming PC and the only thing I understand is a Ryzen 7600 is "good enough", is within my budget and not hard to cool. Totally ignorant on motherboards, might use stock CPU cooler or get a thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE cooler as apparently the stock one isn't very quiet.
No clue on what case is appropriate for a budget quiet build. Or how to figure where to add X fans to a case.
Maby one day.
Can't stop saying how cool the 3D animations are. A much welcomed addition to your guy's already stellar coverage
It's funny that the front panel is wooden, because I wooden't buy this.
hah!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha very punny
I live in Sweden, so with all the extra taxes and a weak currency that means that this pc, when bought from a retailer goes for 6235 dollars today. As an aside, from the same retailer, i can pick together a system with the same cpu+gpu combo, same size ssd, ram, 1200W gold psu, NZXT H7 Flow (It seems to have good reviews) and a 360 mm AIO for 4493 dollars. Including 145 ish dollars for a licensed copy of Windows 11, and the computer assembled and everything set up so that i could just start it up. Good lord this thing is a real abomination.
11:15 alienware vibes is hilarious especially in this context where he's about to talk about the cooling
Someone grab some white chalk, draw an outline, and then read Steve his rights. He just dun murdered the Corsair ONE i500.
I feel like it murdered itself and Steve is drawing the chalk outline while he explains the entire case.
Classic corsair. Overpriced mediocre hardware or bad configuration of good hardwasre, nonfunctional software, terrible QC.. the only thing missing is blow moulded parts charging the price of their competitors machined/injection/metal parts.
Their share price has gone down over the years, as has their quality. The only thing that has gone up is the pricing.
@@burrfoottopknot It's almost like once they went public, their obligation to the customers stopped and switched to an obligation to the investors.
Excellent (and uncompromising) review of a sadly compromised PC. Very nice work with the 3d visualization. GN really taking stuff to the next level with production quality!
This is the second or third company I've seen trying to cool a 14900K with a 120mm radiator in a prebuild... exactly what's the problem with them?
They're just trying to throw the CPU with the biggest number in there for uneducated people.
Not that it's acceptable, but you can tell by it having a top of the line GPU and top of the line CPU that it's just about selling product stats to people who just buy stuff without research.
Because they're thinking that a person who's buying a pre-built most likely isn't gonna notice if there's a cooling problem in the first place. Without tools you're unlikely to notice if your CPU is running at 100C and is dropping 600+ MHz of clocks compared to how it should be. It's not like the PC is lagging constantly because it's overheating.
It ticks the marketing box of "Liquid cooling"
The radiator itself is not large enough to dissipate the heat from the cpu. It is much much too small.
The 120mm was on GPU, CPU had 240mm. Still, too much obstructions internally for air to enter and exit anywhere.
edit: I'm an idiot I reversed what they did!
The funny thing is, they could have just used all their own off the shelf parts, not gotten all wacky and Alienware with the case and cooling, and built a fine machine. And WTF is up with that GPU cooling solution?!? That GPU block has to be the most whacked-out nonsense I've ever seen.
Always love that you state your opinion so clearly, unabashedly and at the beginning of the video. Never have to worry about and holdbacks
"Black metal presumably sourced from Norway" HAHAHAHAHA well played.
Gave me a good chuckle for sure. 😆
@@Darker_Waters, this checks out
im dense what is the joke there
@@alexmaldonado2804, black metal is a subgenre of metal music originating from Norway. Typically it is heavily orchestrated, usually with satanic themes. The first reply in this thread is from a user with a pentagram as his profile picture, which is why I said "this checks out."
@@Shotgun_Sters Ohh, okay, lol that's a pretty good one by steve
On the positive side, from 10-15 feet away, I really like the way it looks.
The jokes and the delivery of information is just superb. Keep up the good work.
"Black Metal, presumably from Norway."
Fucking crushed it.
Apparently Steve's hair is for headbangin, not for channeling the Holy Spirit.
Porque no los dos?
@@krjal3038 I assumed lot of metal would be anathematic to Christianity in general, but yeah? Sure? Maybe?
Insert The Last Stand by Sabaton
Since Corsair is obviously going to see this, it would be awesome if you did a video taking the initial data, then fixing all the thermal and cooling issues in the build, running the data again, and showing Corsair how they SHOULD have done it.
Another Trainwreck, Another Prebuilt!
I love these so much
you should fix all the thermal problems, and then make a video titled 'we fixed corsairs thermal problems for less than $50, why couldn't they do this?' or something
JayzTwoCents took a swing at this system a couple months ago. He replaced the 3 side fans with better options, then replaced the 120mm AIO with a low profile air cooler. "This is bad... REALLY bad..." followed by "Well... that was an unexpected improvement..." Still didn't deliver full 14900k performance, but better than stock.
Yeah unfortunately he had to zip tie the air cooler fan on to get a thicker fan as a low profile cooler fan was not made for a 14900k. There may not be an easy and cheap fix for anyone that bought one of these systems.
@@minhduong1484 I wonder if the Jiushark JF13K Diamond Flat Tower cooler Steve reviewed last year would fit in this case.
Random Product feedback: Just had to swap to my red mousemat because .. I spilled coffee over the blue one, as one does. Gave it a gentle cold hand wash with appropriate detergent and it is absolutely and pristinely perfect after drying. Excellent!
B series motherboard, k series cpu.. okay.
Lol
I have 68 degrees on my 4090 FE under full load! Corsair, what the f...?! They are even SELLING watercooling parts! Am I supposed to consider buying them after such display of performance
Any brand 120mm radiator aio is gonna struggle with a chip that hot
I have the cheapest, base MSI 4070 with the two crappy fans (yes, the loud ish kinda ones) and I don't think I've ever seen more than 66° on it at full load with ray tracing and my hotspot has NEVER seen 80. 94?!! At least give me a bag of marshmallows to roast while I'm getting ripped off, damn
Edit: I should mention that my room sits between 76-80°F, or 24.4-26.7°C vs the 22°C (71.6°F) that GN tested it at. Guess Corsair, errr excuse me, Corsiar assumes you got AC if you're spending near five grand on a computer
@@Koyote2033 their hotspot also hasn't seen more than 70. the 94c value is the vram junction temp. I have a 3090 so I don't know 4090s, but it most definitely goes to shit on 3090s due to no active cooling on the chips on the back of the board.
@@illyaeater that's a fair point. It's definitely not an equal test, but that by and far is still excessive in this case. Corsair basically did the laziest thing possible
@@Koyote2033 well yeah it's shit overall
Great video but I cannot take my eyes off of the cat case in the back. It's wonderful
The joy i get from bad prebuilt reviews is immense
multiple sources of joy, from the bad job they did, the wonderful video we get from gn and the money we will not waste on that pos, it is a win win win situation
Which pre-built brand is next? Give us your requests in the comments and we'll get some more in. Ideally something good, this time.
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Find the last Corsair pre-built we reviewed here -- the $6600 Origin PC (which Corsair owns) Genesis: ua-cam.com/video/bflZYG5DWPg/v-deo.html
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I would love to see an Ironside pc review.
Id like to see the modern form factor alienwares that look like a normal pc. Id still never buy one since they screwed me in the psst but i wanna see if them going from crazy look to normal look fixed issues
Just some kind of traditional ATX tower would be nice. These unique, tiny towers are nifty and all, but if I'm recommending a pre-built to a friend, it's one that can easily be serviced or upgraded. Because I'll need to be able to walk them through adding an extra HDD/SSD, replacing the video card, swapping out RAM....whatever.
HP Omen.
PCBuilder in South Africa. Please.
Oh boy, another one bites the dust. Well done GN, keep the good work up!
Those fans looked more like they were pitched for flow over pressure too. Ouch overall.
Thank-you for calling these big companies out. It's crazy how egregious they can get.
*THANK YOU STEVE* for reminding an Industrial Management major that my career will be VERY easy in the future😎💙
@26:52 they misspelled their own company name :D
😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Corsair’s QC is just non-existent after going public. I’ve had to RMA pretty much everything I’ve bought from them over the last 4 years because it was DOA. Thankfully the RMA process is just a rubber stamp at this point and gets pushed thru as long as you can provide proof of purchase but still…
"Or black metal, presumably sourced from Norway." As a Norwegian I wish I could upvote you twice for that pun.
Uncompromised greed
"Just compensate with a lot of marketing."
"But what if Gamers Nexus picks it up?"
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"You're right. Double the marketing!"
What a boss location to drop that sponsor. Hah!
Curious to what they do with the PC after they are done with the video? Sell? Return? Give away? Keep in a growing pile in a warehouse?
PC industry. The only industry where big brand names are something you need to stay away from.
@@gupler Smaller companies are not perfect and can also sell bad products and provide bad customer service but good luck putting a desktop together while avoiding the bigger and well known companies, you might as well avoid building a desktop to begin with.
@@nitrowarrior-lj5ip I am talking about premade brand computers. They are all overpriced shit filled with ewaste and anything they had in the warehouse is just jammed in there.
My Corsair Vengeance is the best pc I have ever owned. It plays all my games flawlessly. @@gupler
No that's basically every industry today
@@ee2610 Oh yea sure, when you buy a Bugatti its actually made by no name factory in China