Primer experiment , what if we can't buy primers update
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2013
- What if you can't buy primers for handloading, DIY ammo option
I have taken my primer experiment to the next level. This is an updated and improved version of my original experiment where I tried to see if it is viable to reuse spent primers, and remake them into something useable. • What if you can't buy ...
The results are more satisfying, and effective. I am able to launch cast rifle bullets from a 7mm-08 rifle with Alliant Unique powder, almost to equal velocities as a load with factory CCI primers. - Спорт
Who's here in 2021, jan 6th
When nothing is available
i am. i was chocking from surfing at the congress and saw remake primers.
I got some left. Thank goodness
Today I was considering buying birdshot just for the gunpowder
@@jonathanschubert9052 good idea lol
All of us
Who's here in August of 2020 because primers can't be found?
Who's here after 2020 election
I am here to learn how to make primers they are none to be found, primers are extinct we got to bring them back LOL
Yep. Can't find primers and it's unacceptable to be without a means for making our own.
I lucked out and bought plenty primers earlier this year. also found several thouand roll caps, for reloading primers. collecting lead as well...
Beginning of the year I bought a huge stash of powder and primers... I bought almost 25000 primers so I am good for a while
I finally understand why my friend left me a few thousand aluminum cases before he passed. I'm going to look into repriming them this summer.
Video up next - 5 year olds putting together videos on how to make your own cap gun papers because the government had been buying them all up.
This guy must be from the future
Makes muzle loading look like rapid fire
Flint is getting tough to find. Cant believe the goex issue
For some weird reason I find it hard to throw out spent primers. I have a 3lb coffee can almost full. Its neat, to see how many rounds I've reloaded when you can see a boatload of spent primers.
What are you using to stuff the primer? I am searching but apparently I'm not using the proper terms. Thanks.
i keep mine for a while then sell them with any brass i deem used up. they dont care.
I once had an acquaintance who saved spent primers several years ago. I asked him why and he responded "They make great shrapnel." He turned me away from saving them because of his response. I now regret my decision because I may need them for their intended purpose. I think its time to hit the dollar store for caps.
@@ped832 actually i believe they are the most dangerous, well except for the bullet shooting someone, part for reloaders.
maybe it changed but the priming compound used is/was fulminate of mercury. enters skin and in air. always wash your hands after reloads especially.
@@Davidautofull Mercury Fulminate primers have another issue. In the process of firing, they release elemental mercury vapor. In an outdoor situation, not a health situation. Indoor ranges could be problematic if dozens or more are fired, it might be a thing to avoid.
But there's another problem. The mercury could amalgamate with the brass ( a kind of alloy) and weaken the brass and make it unsuitable for future reloading.🙁
This was always the question mark. How do we assemble homemade primers? This is an exciting start and actually more than just a start. I hope people like yourself who understand more about this sort of thing than me can work in tandem with your prototype development and we realize a top quality product. Great work!!
If we cant buy primers anymore, then we will all be armed with flint locks!
Have you considered using an empty primer box to hold the primers? Like the ones that primers come in when you buy them. You could have 100 at a time ready to assemble and held in place.
That is one of the best suggestions I have rec'd on these videos michael malkowski . I may use your idea on future projects. Thanks for adding to the discussion , Jon.
jonwithnoh7,
I have been exactly the same type of experiments for the last 2 months. My technique is similar. I use a leather punch that can make multiple size holes to punch out the perfect sized cap blisters for both small and large primers. I also put a thin layer of gunpowder between the first and second cap for a hotter pop. Finally, I seat the anvil using my loading press. The anvil really digs into the caps, but with slow application of oscillating pressure you can seat them. 100% workin
Asone would expect, not as consistent with the remade primers, but good enough for all practical purposes...... By the way, those little plastic ring caps for toy guns work well for percussion lock guns just as they come. Just separate them from the 'ring' with nail clippers and use as is.... BP is of course easier to ignite than smokeless.....
thanks for the info, i'm loving the experiments.
Interesting! Now we're going to have a high demand for caps LOL
He tried to warn us
Great videos. You never know, one of these might save someones life one day. I like your .45.
you didn't even know what you were writing 4 years ago lol.. look at us now
subscribed, love the guerrilla ammo experiments.
Andres Ricardo Thanks, I am thinking of an update video, once I can find time for that project.
I haven't tried small primers yet, but I am encouraged by your advice. May try them too, someday
Mike, I have a list of future improvements to test, and this one has been included too. Thanks for adding to the discussion. Jon
Thanks for watching and your supportive words.
Thanks - haven’t gotten this desperate yet but certainly the worst primer shortage ever in history going on now.
I see how berdan cases would work very good for this method, it's just getting the old primers out that would be the slow part. Used to own an 84 CJ, sadly sold it, when i had too many vehicles to keep up with. Thanks for subbing and adding to the discussion.
You can make a hand tool in mild steel to hydrailically push out Berdan primers.
Mags are getting more available here in central PA. But ammo is still hit and miss. Not many big gun shows, unless I drive for an hour or more. Thanks for the updates, Jesse.
A true futurist video maker.
7 years and primers are hard to find
Excellent video.. Bravo!
Good stuff, bro.
I agree and have reloaded some 9mm and 223 rem Russian steel berdan primed cases using this method. 100% success so far. I use needle nose pliers to hold the primer cups when I work on them. I think it works better than using the ramprime tool. Also, I clean the cups and anvils in an ultrasonic cleaner to remove residue and make them look like new. Most of the rejected primer cups are due to flattened bottoms caused by hot loads (not mine ;-). These are impossible to correctly seat.
Very interesting, thanks for the info..
I don't know how much this can help you, but for a while I took (I think 22 guage) sheet metal and punched small circles from it. I then hammered it through a hole with a punch in a metal block I had to effectively swage it into a cup. I found that after hammering cups, the dent reduces the metal that impacts the anvil and reduces the reliability (because there isn't as much metal filling the space and crushing the priming material)
Can’t believe I’m watching this, just came from the fond du lac, Wisconsin gun show and saw guys asking $200 and heard of guys asking $250 for 1000 count primers. Saw a guy sitting at a table with six 1000 count boxes of primers for 100 dollars each. I needed primers and he had the best price. I kinda poked fun at him sitting at a table with only a few boxes of primers but he was making money selling and he knew it. I wanted to buy some pistol primers but he was all out. Seen some insane price gouging on ammo supply’s
YUUP!!!
People paying insane prices for stuff will keep the sellers flush with cash.
Just like you!!!
Probably not a bad idea cavalrytm, I will add this request to my list of "To Do" videos. Thanks for the suggestion.
Jon-thanks to your work, I'm saving some fired primers - just in case...
Fortunecookie from the past
McGyver would be proud. So would Captain Kirk, since he used sulphur, charcoal, salt peter, and quartz to kill that lizard dude back in '67! [Laffin'😁]
I'm glad I've saved my spent primers
something to note, Jon, is that I believe that Black Powder might be a part of the compound used in old caps and black powder is notorious for three things;
1. "Misfires" or hang-fires.
2. corrosion, if you don't clean a rifle barrel or your cases after shooting B.P. rounds(where Black Powder is used as a propellant.) then it will corrode the barrel And the cases.
3. if you DO get a hang-fire then there is still a chance it can go off even after HOURS of waiting for the familiar sound, "Bang!"
this is just to let you know so don't be discouraged, and enjoy those rounds!
Good info you have added. I have seen that these are corrosive, like old milsurp ammo. Gotta keep em clean, and stay safe too.
Nice one Brother 😎👍💯🇺🇸
Thanks Shermandale
Now we cant find snap caps.
I was at the gunshow in Columbia, SC yesterday and Georgia Arms and a couple other dealers had a lot of primers powder bullets and brass. GA Arms had Federal Wolf and CCI primers I didn't notice the price probably should have but there is another show in 2 weeks and I will more than likely be going to that one too. Tons of ammo too I got some Wolf .223 and 7.62x39 never shot steel in my ARs but for $300/1000 rounds I will give it a try especially in the piston gun I just built.
Berdan primers may be easier to remake, since there is no tiny anvil to fiddle with. Depriming the berdan case will be a hassle, so it seems to be a wash.
Thanks trees.
Good job 👌👍 Thanks
So first off great video second I cans believe the paper is that thick you have to split did it discharge when seating or something?
So have you re tested your recipe in your 45 acp again? And did you have more consistent results? Also I didn't catch on your first video what powder you reload your 45 cases with, I have CFE Pistol powder, TiteGroup, and TiteWad to try this with, CFE is potent so I'm probably gonna go with TiteGroup since the pressure and recoil is much more mild. Did you go with the same charges as you do with factory primers? Or did you start back at starting charge and work up?
nice brother. thanks for showing us. God Bless.
I perfected the primers. Safe gun powder is an absolute next to be even better off if faced with not being able to find/buy.
I guess I can include my search for caps in my followup video too.
I been to a few shows in Erie that were pretty nice put on by the same company that does some of the shows here been to some there and SW NY when I have been up to visit and been pretty impressed.
You should do a third test. 10 factory rounds, 10 reloads with only 1 cap in the primer, and 10 reloads with 2 caps in the primer. If you get 100% with the factory and 100% with the 2 caps, while getting 50-75% with the 1 caps, then you will have a pretty much proven the 2 cap method.
Seems like a good magnifying glass or even a low power dissecting microscope would be helpful.
Better than chucking rocks! I am going to make a trip to the Dollar Tree and get some caps tomorrow.
Find any?
thanks great video...
robert boose Thanks for watching, and your comments.
Dragonfire..., looks like your theory is valid. Glad I was able to confirm it. Actually It was a suggestion from viewers, on the first video, so I can't claim all the credit. I do believe I will refine my experiment further, to make sure all my thoughts are valid. stay tuned for more. Thanks for adding to the discussion , Jon
I did not consider the annealing part, but this load with Alliant Unique is a fairly mild pressure load for a rifle.
Extremely interesting
Are these just regular paper caps?
What do you use for small primers?
Thank you
Did it go "bang!"? Good enough for me. Thanks Democrats, because of you I stocked up a little at a time for years.
thanks for making this video :)
Sure thing Andre Brundridge glad you found it , Jon
Isn't it a pain to seperate the rifle & pistol primers of the same size?
If it works, I'm definitely going to go out and try to find some of those caps. Do they still manufacture them? All I could find on eBay was old boxes.
Another interesting note: I did see a video of someone successfully reloading 22lr with the orange ring caps. Those are still manufactured, I believe. Perhaps 2 or 3 of those could reload a centerfire primer?
Sponge Bob announcer: Three hours later... Yay 5 primers!
JK: Thanks for the info!
How careful do you have to be when cutting out the caps? If you catch an edge will they go off, and do they have enough power to do anything other shake you up a bit? Nice work on both of those vids!
TJ Scott cutting the caps did not set any of them off. I did have one go off while seating the primer in the case. But with eye protection, and pointed away, there was no real danger. Thanks for adding to the discussion and watching, Jon.
hey I know this is a little old and I have researched this else where but it is possible to make your own brass given you had the supplies, tools, and materials, not that it would be plausible or effective to do it but in the situation you needed to could you ?
We have come up with 25k primers in the last month or two. It is an on going process. It seems like I am loading pistol ammo on a 30-40 hour a week regiment. I also load for small and large rifle which is of course more time consuming. Primers are available if you are willing to put in the time. If you think your time is better spent to experiment, then have at it.
Hey the old boxes of snap caps you are using that I seen in your other video on this, is there anyway I could get or buy the old boxes off u? I collect them and dont have them ones. If you could leave a few caps in that would be great but if not I would still love to have the empty boxes. Thanks
PM me with an offer, perhaps we can work something out
Might the primers work better if you put them in powder to powder instead of powder, paper, powder?
Does anyone know how stable or safe these are? Can you treat them like normal primers or do you think that using them in a high recoil rifle or something like an ar15 with lots of shaking around could set one off without a trigger pull?
That dealer with the cheap Wolf had the best deals on brass too of any of them he had PMC bronze or Xtac for $8 a box or $420/1000 and had the 100 packs of 9mm for $30 only .22lr he had was nuts though some Win I didn't recognize for $80/500 round box. Great deals on guns too Stag model 8 with Diamondhead sights $1050 the PAP pistols $650 tons of Glocks for $479 even some of the Gen3 FDE frames the Gen4 were like $550 I got more OD and FDE Pmags too for $14 and some Lancer mags.
I'm saving my old primers .
Next Video: How to make your own caps!
Thanks for watching Yankey4
Where did you get those type of caps from.
Id use a leather punch like i saw in another video. Seems safer
At 1,7XX fps, those ave very low velocity rounds... are those the correct numbers? I average 27XX fps with .308
Could I use roll caps instead of the style of caps you had on sheet?
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was there a time delay from striker impact to ignition?
Val Martin not really, I did not notice any delays
I messed the paper that is punched? Where does that come from or how is it made??
Jon, I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned, but the round snap caps might be the way to go for less hassle.
They're round, very small in diameter, and half of them are already falling out of the plastic cap already, so they'd be very easy to extract and possibly small enough for small pistol or rifle primers.
They come in either a revolver style (for pistols) or in a row (for lever-actions).
In fact, some BP guys actually use them in place of percussion caps!
They say the plastic caps seat better, they're waterproof, no more corrosive than BP/percussion caps, fewer misfires, and no copper caps to hang up in the cylinder when you're trying to fire the next round.
One guy mentioned using 4F powder to fill the nipple, then adding the cap on top.
The cap ignites the 4F, the 4F ignites the BP charge in the chamber.
However, another guy mentions an unintended ignition while loading his revolver with the plastic caps....so perhaps it would be best to seat the cap first, then load the cylinder.
A little more expensive than the paper type, but if they cut down primer prep considerably they might just be worth it.
The composition of the exploding material today is known as Armstrong's mixture, which is corrosive as you've found out.
So, if the BP guys came to the same conclusion you have, then it's safe to assume these caps are a viable improvised alternative for either type of firearm.
Here's 13,824 of them in a bulk package for $129 (or $0.0093/cap), which equates to 1/3rd the cost of bulk primers:
www.capgunstore.com/8-Shot-Ring-Caps-Super-Bang-192-Caps-per-Package-72-Packages-30936.htm
One thing to mention, as a safety consideration in relation to the unintended ignition...you might load a few rounds up and torture test them.
Climb up on a building and drop a round on concrete while taking cover.
Leave them out in the sun on blacktop during a hot day.
Basically testing their sensitivity to see if the cap primers can withstand the abuse of hiking with them and potentially falling on a shock-sensitive brass grenade.
See how long they last in a humid environment before going bad, etc.
Inquiring minds would love to know, and thanks for the great video!
Skinflaps Oldmeat you added a lot if info here. I did recently buy some of the plastic caps, but the compound came out of the cap crumbly, not in one piece. Perhaps i need to keep looking for different styles, to find what works best. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
You're right, some of them do have the mixture just filled in and plugged with a small sheet of paper.
I have found several different types of construction in my childhood years (yeah, I was one of those kids that would rather see how stuff worked than actually use it).
The crumbly stuff made for one BIG pop when you took them apart and filled up a single cap, probably quite dangerous now that I think of it but I was in kindergarden at the time.
However, I remember a different brand that were filled with small paper circles just like the sheet version you made.
Those were the ones that would just fall out if you dropped them on the floor.
It's entirely possible they're not produced like this anymore.
Perhaps the crumbly mixture could be harvested and dumped into the primer cap, then covered with a bit of paper?
I examined some berdan primers from steel 9mm rounds, and they look to be easier to work with since you don't need to replace the anvil (the anvil is part of the case).
Made a tool from a spanner insert bit (find them in security bit assortments) to pop out the primers.
All I had to do was dremel and file the bit down to fit the two holes and the primer could be punched out with no damage.
Firing pin indentation can be flattened out in the same method, insert the mixture, then push the primer cap back on...no need to worry about fitting an anvil in there too.
Of course, steel cases aren't ideal for reloading but they're still good for 2-5 reloads before they start cracking.
Brass cases can be found all over shooting ranges because nobody knows how to de-prime/re-prime berdans.
Once a guy figures out the primer portion of the equation, black powder can be made relatively easy and casting bullets is even easier.
Great things for a prepper to know!
Rounds like the 45 Colt and the 45/70 were designed to use BP, so you'd see fewer losses in performance utilizing those cartridges.
Good luck with your experimentation, Jon...
Skinflaps Oldmeat You are adding lots more good info. I am gonna have to keep trying different things to make it work better, Thanks for adding to the discussion, Stay tuned. Jon
What kind of caps are you using and what is the "anvil" you put over the cap?..
When you pull the paper layer off the cap and place the 2 caps in the cup, put the powder side face to face. Not powder side to paper side on the second cap. In other words turn the second cap over so the compound is combined when it ignites.
bv1391 That's an excellent idea, glad you joined the conversation.
Good video. Now just need to be able to buy toy pistol caps when the govt. bans everything that goes bang.
Find a leather punch that cuts a smaller hole less paper to deal with (Thank for the details I will be buying some caps.)
Who's here wondering what he's gonna do when he can't buy caps?
You should make your own flash powder it's what's in fire works and its made with salts but it very sensitive stuff
Have you thought about kitchen match tips? Try it sometime.
What about the little 4th of July snap caps . They look like a little tiny white tissue paper bag, they ignite on impact on most hard surfaces, kids love em. They come packed in match box size box cushioned with saw dust. I have no idea what's in them but it readily detonates when dropped on concrete especially. I think they are called pop-its or something like that.
Wonder if you could use a small amount of Tannerite to make a primer.
post a video of that. I'd like to see it!
I hate to play The Devil's Advocate but if you're an apocalyptic situation where you can't get primers how easy do you think getting caps are?
That's awesome
Thanks for watching
I see primers somewhat more available now too. This video has been in the works for a few weeks, so i felt I had to post it before it became obsolete. However we have gone thru a primer shortage before too, and I don't doubt we'll see it again. This experiment will still be viable if ever it comes to a shortage.
Serious shortage now. See the price gouging on ebay?
Wise man. I ordered 18,000 of these caps for 41 bucks.
Gonna have 9000 primers from that.
Thanks for watching r8s.
Tweezers work better for separating the paper layers.
As far as I know, paper caps have become scarce as well.
I watched a tutorial on making primer explosive material out of matches and the striker,works great as a substitute but illegal and dangerous and unstable. Caution is the word here.
What type of paper caps are those and were can I buy some. Thank you
Thanks Great Video! The only thing I would try is to fully press out the dimple in the primer cup, maybe to a very mild dome, to avoid the possibility of a light strike.
Where do you source that style of caps?
You may want to visit a fireworks store. Just a idea.
If the anvil was not seated properly, it could slip forward and not allow for the cap to be crushed. I would make a press that rounds-over the rim of the primer just a bit, to lock-in the anvil...
What kind of caps were you using
WHOA....I'M FOLLOWING YOU BUT WHAT IS THAT PRIMER PAPER THAT YOU PUNCH OUT; WHAT'S IT CALLED?