Making Primers Part 1
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2009
- This is for last resort! As components become scarce and expensive this is a way to make primers when the store shelves are bare. WARNING! this is not 100% reliable. This video is to demonstrate that where there is a will there is a way. I am also trying a new camera.
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who else is watching this post 2020 election lmao
such a great way to watch our country burn
@@fireboxguy8180 yep.
It’s cute how you noticed the primers were dried up only after the election. They’d been gone since March.
Man no matter how hard it is to find components,Science with your own knowledge is always the key...👍😏😁
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Reloading primers is definitely as a last resort. I'm all for just going to the gun store and buying 1000 primers for around $38. However - I didn't like not being able to shoot/reload whenever "the shortages" hit. I study it for when the "outages" hit. The chemicals needed can be found it "Hatchers Notebook - page 153 I believe (if memory serves). H48 compound is 17.0 grains Potassium chlorate, 9.0 grains antimony sulfide, 4.0 grains ground glass and 3.0 grains of sulfur. Also add .2 grains (not much) of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). This makes the primer a little less corrosive. H42 compound is the same except the ground glass is left out because of the possibility that this could be an abrasive on the barrel of the firearm. We are achieving close to 100% reliability. The failures for these primers are re-insertion of the anvil and/or poor workmanship on my part. It IS a tedious process. Fun? No not really. Something good to know? In my opinion - heck yes. The chemist that helped me made it as safe as possible. These compounds are still corrosive and your firearm must be cleaned after firing. He is working on non-corrosive primer powders. I have a gun show to prepare for but I will post "Homemade Primer Course" document by the chemist. "Hatchers notebook" (1947 I think) - can be found on amazon. The chemist wrote the document - I followed the chemists instructions and am making my own vids. Thanks again - I learned a lot.
Welcome to 2021.
With the shortage of components...where are my haters now?
If the shortage was bad before look at them now
@@demoguy84 It's completely insane!! Gun Broker had a brick of large rifle primers for bid and the current bid was $990.00!!!!!
@@ammosmith I guess we go in together? lol
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Do you know how to make shell cases?
If you place the old primer on a wood surface instead of metal when you tap out the dimple, you will get better results. Also I recommend a standard punch that is rounded off (no sharp edges). The primer should be somewhat of a bubble shape.
God where’s covid got me at 🤦🏻♂️ watching how to reuse primers since I can’t find them in my stores 😂
I found some large rifle primers at ace the other day, you bet your ass I bought what I could
@@pacman10182 fuck man I found some small magnum primers at my store and I just fucking bought them regardless
I read about using this method in the CIA Black Books. As I remember, 1 or 2 drops of alcohol or acetone applied to the compound in the primer will turn it to a past and bond it to the primer cup. I tried this some years back with some berdan primed .30-06. It worked as they all popped and a few mid range loads I made up fired. I also drilled out a few for shotgun primers that worked well. At that time I couldn't get the berdan primers and had over 500 cases given to me. It worked in a pinch.
Not if I have anything to say about it! We'll be posting more videos on improvising components. We are researching smokeless powder...the manufacture of it to be exact.
Made it?
How's that coming along?
@@demandred1957 Probably lost interest. It is 12 years old video.
@@demandred1957 I stocked up on primers a few years ago so I'm set.
@@ammosmith no no, the smokeless powder. You ever get around to making any?
Thanks! I am working on that one too.
@drewnickel Not sure about the first part. The second part about being corrosive is true and then some.
@thehammernator Did it work? It can sometimes take a few tries to get the process down right.
My man coming with the fallout style Reload And I fucking love it!!!!
What is that white material made of? I am wondering if old road flares might be a good source of this type of material? they have a large button of something like that on the top of the flare that ignites when struck. I dont know if its the same material or not.
@cenotosa1 Haven't tried them. Might work as long as they are stable.
Great idea! It took me two weeks to find primers.
Well, that was interesting; glad I bought primers by the thousands years ago.
Yes! Use a long nail that is thin enough to pass through the flash hole.
This is basically a survival technique people. End of days kind of shit where everyone needs guns. I'm making a survival guide for something like that as a hobby, thats why I found this video.
While it is true that people often find solutions to problems that occur, I must admit this is something that I had not thought of. While I have some primers on hand, I will have to remember to save the used ones the next time I reload. I guess I should also buy some matches.
Ammosmith, We did stuff like this when we were kids back in the fifties. I guess some things never change. My favorite trick was to lay a matchhead (standard safety type works fine) on a hard steel surface and hit it with a hammer. Oh, cover your ears first. Seriously, the things you do call for a lathe. You really would get to a way different level with your smithing. A small Hardinge turret lathe would be nice. In the US, you should be able to get one for under a thousand these days.
I used to make impact sensitive powder/rocks by mixing the striker with the match heads. Rub isopropyl alcohol on the striker, and it wipes right off. You can then mash it together with the matches. While its wet, it wont ignite. It will turn from mud to solid rock in a few hours.
does this work on the new green matches?
Nice DIY... just try not to die.
cant you emulsify those tips to a liquid form and add to primers from a dropper?
I heard some detonator explosives are easy to make...might that be a better solution than scraping matches?
Thanks for taking the time to watch them! If you have questions you can always ask.
what do u think will happen if i do this with a rifle primers
I've seen percussion caps used to reload primers. I've never done it but have seen the finished product and have seen them in action.
@trickykwoo2 Lead is a problem...lead by itself isn't a hazard but lead compounds are. Lead has to be dealt with care. My says I have been around lead so ling I could be recycled as a pencil.
@craftymaggot It's a concept idea. Last resort type of thing.
@Gt91jackie Only with some black powder cartridges. Paper patching is another method but not recommended for modern cartridges.
@ammosmith
Lol, yeah that tri-iodide is nasty and touchy. The old primers were lead styphnate is what they use now isn't it? or Pb azide?
Yes I know :-P
I wanted to show what the possibilities are if you put your mind to it.
can a .22lr be reloaded?
no, i don't want to reload a .22lr, just curious if you can reload a .22lr!
ohh, i was almost forgeting, i didn't found on your channel how to "neck down" a cartridge, is that possible to do at home?
i just want to neck down a .40 to .32 for absolutelly nothing, just to try something new
Hi!
I have got to make the copper(or brass) cups. Could somebody help me with that?
Thanks!
could ddnp or potassium perchlorate work?
Hi, did you find someone to help you with that? I'm in the same dilemma.
Thanks
What kind of reliability do you get with this process?
what about strike anywhere matches ? pls answer !
Could you elaborate the process of making primers? (the boiling bleach and adding salts part)
Thanks!
@ammosmith mine worked, 40S&W, but I had to pack a lot in, and fire it once before it set off. I guess to compact it better? :S
nice vid man
The head of safety matches are made of an oxidizing agent such as potassium chlorate, mixed with sulfur, fillers and glass powder.
The side of the box contains red phosphorus, binder and powdered glass.
hey, awesome video, one question, how do you take off the primers off the casing? can be done without any "reloading" equipement?
You could do it with a punch and a rubber mallet. As long as youre careful and dont damage your casing, you should be ok
Wouldn't't it be easier and safer to wet the match head switch acetone or alcohol? Spraying hairspray on it will help hold the mix in the cup
Where are you Countmonaco? Primers are either marked way up or not in stock within 3 states of me.
@cenotosa1
DDNP is better for blasting caps and all the match heads are is really red phosphorus and NaClO3 with some sulfer and maybe Antimony Trisulfide.
The politicians don't realize their place. We are the people...we are this country. They have elevated themselves to royalty in their own minds.
could you reload a 22lr this way?
what multitool is that? i recived one identical from my fatherinlaw, and i've been wondering what's the deal with it? any information would be great apreciated! great video!
i tried this however the dent in the back of the primer was still there but the bump inside wasnt
will it work with 209 primers
Great Video ! This White Tip Matches or toy gun Caps may have to be used if King O... or Ms. Hilary C. bans ammo or reloading supplies. Thank you for the video ! tjl
Haven't tried those yet.
thanks man!
It's more simpler than that! I've tried using the compound from toy cap guns and works like a charm to fire. It will ignite 99% of the time.
Actual primers are made by reacting magnesium styphonate with lead acetate in the presence of nitric acid. This creates a more stable and reliable compound.
good luck getting any styphonates without showing up on a watch list
It's 2021, you know you searched this video.
The hoarding out there is insane
What is the tip of the match made of? Phosphorous seems likely, but what type?
I think it's potassium chlorate and something else. Phosphorus will ignite with contact of air.
Thanks, @@ammosmith I appreciate the quick reply. I recently moved to CO and naturally picked up firearms as a hobby.
only thing I have to add,is NEVER gather a large quantity in a pile and always single load them away from the source materials..or else you can chain fire explosion yourself
anything you could use in place of strike anywhere matches for states like illinois where they don't sell any type of strike anywhere matches at all.
LOL. I appreciate this, but you can make an igniting compound with potassium chlorate (boil bleach, mix sodium-free salt). Phosphorus sesquisulfide (white phosphorus) can also be mixed in for better results. With a little more research you can make gunpowder from chemicals scraped from the rocks in many fields. However, I don't see the apocalypse coming, so I encourage you to just buy it at the store when available. Good vid anyway.
I haven't tried it yet but I think yes.
So, 4F black powder moistened with acetone can be used to reload primers?
I doubt it. Black powder isn’t usually thought of as pressure sensitive.
If you do be careful. Work up a load and see if you get any unusual pressure indicators.
Thanks for the new skills...I hope I never have to use them.
@sadeyedangel I read where ammonium tri iodide could be used. In my experience...this stuff is waaay too unstable. Lead styphanate seems to be the ticket...or fulminate of murcury.
Fulminate of mercury and fulminate of silver is too unstable and degrades with time causing your ammunition to spontaneously go-off in storage
Lead Stephenate however does work
This video sure is handy now!
Things sure are getting weird. I made this video a long time ago but it's very handy when the store shelves are empty. Thank you for your kind words.
The were not available for a long time. The potassium chlorate in the white tips is a super strong oxydizer. I'm sure all the bans and stuff is for our own good.
This reminds me of Pakistan during the early 80's, match heads for primers and film stock for propellant.
@ammosmith thanks
Adam Cash and Ronald Brown both published books with this method of recycling primers.
They also mention two other primer explosive to use instead of strike anywhere match tips, but this is probably your best bet.
Another recipe for primers that has been used is potassium chlorate and sulfur, however this is EXTREMELY life-limited and can be somewhat unsafe... well unsafer. And very corrosive.
How did that hair get in there?
15 years later (from this video's upload)this is still great and very useful video. We have had primer shortages for more the last 15 years than not(circa 2023 when this comment was posted ) Hope you're still turning the handle on the press, popping out new rounds. Part 2 for anyone that needs it ua-cam.com/video/9p1Xv6eDFjo/v-deo.html
no you need strike anywhere not safety strike on the box matches ...however those can be used as emergency powder.
Clever idea but only practical if you have a surplus of strike anywhere Lucifer 's. I would rather stockpile battery cup primers or large rifle primers.Matches are a commodity in hard times as well as primers..and these type matches are not all that cheap.
Firework's?
Those things that look like a bottle with a string hanging out,.....when you pull it, it go's bang and blows confetti in the air,...firecrackers have powder in them,....M-50's have powder in them?
Perhaps there a source there you might use?
Hey Love Your Video's O.K. Can I Add One or Two Drops Of Acetone in top of Match Powder when it's inside the primer and it dry will that work Too Yes or No can anyone answer me that please , Thanks !
I haven't tried that.
If You Do ' Can You Make A video If It Works or not Let Me Know Thanks !
Not nearly enought power. The glue stick bullet was a concept that I wanted to test. I agree that now is not the time to waste primers.
I'm gonna (try to) make a simple firearm in the vacation, but not the simple airpressure guns I used to make when I was a baby.
No.Yes you can. There is a cartridge based on the 32 ACP called the 17 Pee Wee. it's a 32 ACP necked to .172"
Caps are actually bangor mixture which is percussion sensitive and I know black powder isn't and that is why percussion caps didn't come along until mercury fulminate was compounded and was useful in percussion caps(app 1830). Smokeless powder same thing and that is why it isn't used in primers; lead azide is as modern non corrosive loads(i reload)
Interesting to see how shortages happen every 5 - 6 years or so. Shortages seem to get worse every time.
Not only that...the wholesale cost of ammunition and components haven't changed. The distributors and retailers are gouging the buyers.
@@ammosmith Yes indeed they are price gauging us. Even reloading isn't as cost saving as it used to be.
Would nitrogen triiodide work (lenny face)
Really good actually, it makes the primer heat resistant so its safer to leave it laying in the sun...for long term storage, best combine it with nitroglycerine as propellant.
@greenspiraldragon No.
what about magicians flash powder or just magnesium and potassium nitrate
I doubt either of those would ignite reliably at all.
exellent vid...also note recoilstore.com has priming compound !!!
When I was a kid my grandpa showed me how to make spoke guns atom model T spokes with white tip matches they used to make guns in prison they work
You might have to make a few of these to get your first weapon off the enemy.
for every one who cares about primers the ingredient used in them is known as ddnp which is shock sencitive ;) i question is if you could use the powder from the little firecrackers/popers that u get for ur kids to throw thenm agianst the ground and use that as the primer powder?
The compound in those poppers is really little,there are small rocks in there just coated with it...so you would have to use the powder of,like, 50 of them. Quite more ubiquitous would be Armstrong's mix (shown in the video), you can also mix it from safety matches and their striking surface, or just use those paper strips for toy guns. Most people doing this use two dots for a primer
Through your travels? You mean like finding a popular old Army manual on the internet? Great video nonetheless.
With matches about 60% and with paper roll caps about 90%.
maybe dig out shotgun primers,an rebuild sm.rifle primers with that
I wonder what would happen if you used the match powder with Bic- white out as a sticky binding agent,. it's very flammable,....because I zippo'ed it.
See if you make a booo booo you cover it up with white out.
I was just about to point this out. You can reload .22 shells with match heads too but again very corrosive unless civil war, zombie apocalypse, alien invasion, delayed mayan prediction, or radioactive rabid koala break out I'm sticking to store bought primers and .22s.
With primers being relatively inexpensive, this method is bordering on the threshold of where I start to consider that "time is money".
Can you say that now lol
Welcome to 2022…
There is a company making reloading tools for .22LR. They sell,ala carte, a primer mix that is far more reliable than Armstong mixture (aka matches+striker surface). Mix it up and a little dab will do ya! Let it dry and reassemble, CAREFULLY!
I've seen that! I would like to get the unprimed brass to make jackets out of. Love to see copper used for 22 casings.
Somewhere in the past I saw on the Tube here someone using .22 cal brass to make jacketed .223 projectiles, great if you can't find them on the shelves of our favorite shooters supply however I understand that the last lead producer has closed production several years back due to stricter environmental laws imposed by the Obozo administration, seems like another way to mess with shooters and the military.
@@Subgunman I'm not trying to start another shortage, but you're absolutely right about the last lead producer closing down several years ago(In the U.S.). For this reason I have accumulated several hundred pounds of pure lead, and some tin and antimony. Don't use wheel weights. Try to get lead tubing that has been stripped from hospital and industrial settings- it's virgin lead and pure. Or just buy new lead from online firms. The sting of stiff price will fade pretty quick. Wheel weights frequently contain some zinc- death to your bullet quality.
Put a fold inn your index card you might actually get everything into the primer cup instead of dumping half on the bench😂😂😂. Ten thousand matches to make a few primers, no thank you unless it was an emergency situation only.
Man , I hope things never get this serious or desperate. I realize you're making this as a worse case scenario "'BUTT""' this would be RuffStuff. I'm thinking that buying a bulk of them and vacuum packing some.
That's how I feel. If you pack them use mylar bags.
"I hope things never get this serious or desperate"
I'm from the future, it's worse, much worse
@@pacman10182 No end in sight it seems.