Just started my journey on make smokeless powder and reloading primers also. It was nice to see that your making some videos doing the same. You rock and thanks for your dedication to your channel.
Can't wait to see the finished product. When I was in 7th grade I saw the formula for gun powder in the dictionary. I bought a mortar and pestle and began making it with a friend and we burned a lot of stuff up playing with it. When I was in the Navy I found formula for making different powders use in firework. I wrote a fireworks manual with the intent on selling them but I couldn't afford to get it published. I still have my original typewritten manuscript I wrote in 1972. Good luck with your experiment.
Guncotton Because of their fluffy and nearly white appearance, nitrocellulose products are often referred to as cottons, e.g. lacquer cotton, celluoid cotton, and gun cotton.[2] Guncotton was originally made from cotton (as the source of cellulose) but contemporary methods use highly processed cellulose from wood pulp. While guncotton is dangerous to store, the hazards it presents can be reduced by storing it dampened with various liquids, such as alcohol. For this reason, accounts of guncotton usage dating from the early 20th century refer to "wet guncotton." The power of guncotton made it suitable for blasting. As a projectile driver, it had around six times the gas generation of an equal volume of black powder and produced less smoke and less heating. Further research indicated the importance of washing the acidified cotton. Unwashed nitrocellulose (sometimes called pyrocellulose) may spontaneously ignite and explode at room temperature, as the evaporation of water results in the concentration of unreacted acid.[11
I wonder in addition to possible spontaneous combustion in room temperature, I wonder if it becomes extremely shock sensitive after the water evaporates acetone would also be a good liquid agent to make it temporarily inert as well if alcohol isn't handy
@@nicholecrouch311 - Alcohol and acetone are both viable "wetting" agents. The advantage of acetone is rapid evaporation. The advantage of alcohol is more manipulation time and the addition of a bit more "power". An old time black powder recipe involved "stewing" on the stove to ensure complete integration of all components and then "rinsing" with alcohol to eliminate any residual water and speed the drying process. The process actually worked, and worked well. Strong, stable, efficient black powder resulting.
It has been a project on the back burner for me for a couple of years. I know a guy in Brazil who had a buddy who makes findings for jewelry make the dies for a both anvils and cups. They are made for a punch press and they can crank them out.
Thanks for the great info!! We can cast bullets, we can make black powder, but primers is where they have us. There is a company that sells chemicals and tools to reload 22s. They say you can use their chemicals for primers and #11 caps. It cost about $20 for the chemicals.
@Jim Dunkle I got the $20 package you refer to but haven’t tried it yet. They are 3-4 weeks backlogged. It’s a corrosive mixture but better than nothing and just clean your weapon after shooting it. Did you not know the company name or not want to use the name?
They call what you made gun cotton or flash fiber Ie. Nitrocellulose I can tell you from first hand experience don't handle a lot of it at once k Smaller is better k What you have is very close to nitroglycerin k just a little bit more stable k Just saying
Ive watched quite a few of these gun cotton vids over the years. Utuber named nilered has a really good/scientific take. But still dyi able. He advised squeezing the excess, then rinsing with a weak baking soda solutiin till the rinse runs clear. It helps neutralize any left over un reacted acid, thus decreasing the chance of spontanoues ignition. Im sure uve already done ur research but give it a look see if u havent already. So i was glad to see u do that. Lotsa folks forget that step
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I ran across this stuff a couple years ago when I was trying to figure out how smokeless powder is made. I'm exited to see where this goes, you got me on the edge of my seat. :)
That might be something that people don’t know about me... 🤣😂🤪 True, but I always enjoy and heed the advice of this awesome community. Being stubborn can get me in trouble sometimes.👍👍👍 you did detect correctly..
👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I know you have done some research and that you know how dangerous this can be but I read a story of this guy who worked in an ammunition factory and how the primer rooms where built out of 2 foot thick concrete walls. He said that they where eating lunch one day and heard an explosion and a shoe came flying through the lunch room so please be safe and do things in a very small quantity
Primer rooms are dangerous because they're handling a whole load of paste to fill an entire platter of primers at once. I think that in a video I've seen the worker handle what looked like half a pound of paste. The rooms are temperature and humidity controlled, if moisture drops the primer composition dries and friction sets it off. I don't know when they made the switch but now only three of the four walls are that thick. One of the walls faces the outside of the building and it's much thinner so that in case there's an accident, the entire wall is blown off instead of creating overpressure. Like in some tanks that have purposefully weakened blow off panels in case the ammunition gets hit in combat and starts to cook off.
Great work, as always! Thanks for sharing your info. I just ordered some Prime All to try out, but I hear the back log is a month or so out. Can't wait for the rest of the series 🇺🇸👍👊
Might I highly suggest that you wear a full face shield and a hat while you experiment with acid of any flavor. In 2011, I had a "backyard" experiment to blow up, I was only wearing those basic safety glasses, and the explosion rained HCL down on my head, ran behind my glasses, and I went from 20/10 vision to legally blind in about 1 second. I still suffer from the effects and several painful, costly surgeries to my eyes, and I am still legally blind. Just a suggestion from personal experience. 👍
hey Elvis ,the endproduct depends on the purity of the ingredients and mixtures ,and how safe it is .to store and using it . a good book is . The chemistry of powder &explosives by tenney l davis
@@englishrupe01 omg thank you so much for the pdf file. Ive been going nuts looking for primer compounds and i was at the point of try to make mercury fulm***te which is extremely toxic so ill be reading through and maybe post a video once i find a good stable compound i can make in my garage. Thank youso much again
I was scared just watching you with that lighter. I could see the big bowl in the background and know it was wet but still I had visions of a flash fire big enough to see on the 6 o’clock news.
Great vid Elvis as always thanks. Wondering if battery acid (bought at any auto parts store) which is approx 50% sulfuric acid wouldn't be an easier way for that component ? I bought 5 gallons a while back for doing some DIY anodizing and I'm thinking it was around $10 gallon . I dont know squat about any of this so just throwing the thought out there in hopes that someone who knows will comment before I accidently blow up my garage lol.
You can use PH papers to check that all the acid is gone. When ph is neutral all the acid should be gone. Neutral ph is 7 but check your rinse water to make sure. Not all tap water is because of the mineral content.
This was beginning to look like a mad scientist performing an experiment. But I'm beginning to see a method to your madness. Looking forward to the series 👍🇺🇸
Let me just make clear what I have learned about drawing primer cups and making primers. You need both cups and anvils to make primers. The machinery needed to make cups is different from the machinery to make anvils (somewhat) Anvils are easier to make BUT making the dies to cut and shape steel anvils out of sheets of steel must be MUCH more robust than the dies made for drawing the tiny cups. The dies for the cups can be made with a manual lathe. The dies for making anvils can be made by EDM (I believe) or with VERY good CNC Milling...AND sophisticated heat treating equipment. Or they could possibly be etched out with tiny grinding bits like diamond dremel bits by hand. (A very long and difficult process) Then still would have to be hardened . THEN...These types of dies are used in PUNCH PRESSES. Not home shops even have small punch presses. Just like check makers, cups can be drawn one at a time with any type of press including a reloading press. A guy like me with a mini lathe can make the dies to form one at a time primer cups...just like the gas checks that Tom Burson shows in his videos (check them out). So I have been entertaining the thought of making a dies to draw BERDAN cups which do not require anvils. I have made hydraulic Berdan deprimer tools. And I have made a jig to shave boxer primers (small pistol) down to the depth where they can be used in Berdan brass. I have a friend who is THE authority on making priming compounds who has done many experiments on how to reload both Boxer primers and Berdan primers. In my opinion if this drought in obtaining primers turns into a very long term situation, people like Dan Burson and others who are inventive will be able to supply drawing dies for making Berdan primers which will obviously drive the interest in Berdan priming technique. THAT would be the alternative to the Boxer primer supply permanently drying up. UNLESS some one who is already in industry that uses punch presses decided to make the dies for making anvils and start selling anvils. But that is unlikely. So don't get you hopes up for having home made primers soon. Recharging used primers will be the only alternative for a while. Oh, one other thing...the copper or cupronickel that primers are made from is carefully heat treated for the perspective application. One company overseas publishes their practical different hardnesses of copper for different applications (typically the difference between standard and magnum primers)
The biggest problem with a non-corrosive solution is going to be shipping. We would need to figure out a way to ship the recipe separately maybe? But if you have a way to make primer cups of any kind I wouldn’t worry about primers being available or not. They are always available and then not available just like ammo. As Reloaders and preppers we want to always be able to make these ourselves and reload with her supplies or available or not. Whatever you can do would probably be profitable. You can also email me at elvisammo@gmail.com
@Robert Powell...AMEN!...to steal a phrase from Johnny over at the JRB channel... “I hope I don’t blow my face off”...take extra care doing this! We have grown accustomed to your purty face 😉😜😎
what you've made is gun cotton! but I don't see yet how thats going to get you to primers ? any way I'll watch and learn and see how thislab experiment turns out!!
depending on the degree of nitration determines what you call it... but generically, he's made nitrocellulose. I doubt that it is very well nitrated, given the way the nitric acid was made :)
@John Beige give it time I ordered mine last year around August before everyone was wanting some and it took about a month. Nowadays itll prob take 2 months.
@MountainManiac i clean my guns right after shooting. I doubt its that corossive that its getting all over my guns and will ruin anything. Water is corrosive as well but i still shoot in the rain.
I have one question, this primer material is made with various acids, is the end result corrosive ? Do you know if there's a way of home-making any non-corrosive primers ? I'm all for the home-made (mainly for budgetary reasons mind you, that and the pleasure of shooting something you can proudly say "I made this myself"), but I wouldn't want to fire corrosive ammo in my guns... Thanks for your work, your videos have been among my main sources of info from the start in reloading, bullet casting, and powder coating.
Did I just see Elvis Ammo making gun cotton? I did I did. Well done brother looking forward to the upcoming videos on this to see where and how you go with it. Taking my teacher hat off and putting on my student beanie and listening. Here is an apple 🍎 teacher.
Big question here, what is the strength of the sulphuric acid? To me this is an important. Is it 1%,2% maybe more? Just asking for a friend... thanks 🤔
Elvis you have me spellbound. I can't wait to see what's next. How in the world do you come up with this stuff? Are you really Stephen Hawking's brother? Do you know why the acid bath makes the cotton burn like that? Do we need to add some firefly butts to the cotton now? Where does the ground glass come into play. So many questions. Don't leave me hanging like this. 👍great video.
Next time please use a glass stir stick and maybe get ahold of a gas respirator also i would suggest making alot more soda solution like a 5 gallon bucket worth incase the glass cracks and it goes everywhere
nitrocellulose will dissolve in acetone. then when it dries it will be a solid plastic like mass. your smokeless powder is nitrocellulose with some burn control additives. if you use smokeless use the fastest burning that you can.
you might want to get some of the goggles that fit flush against your face. also, rinsing off the cotton balls and then pouring the water off into a separate container would be a bit quicker and get more of the nitric acid out of it. a final rinse with rubbing alcohol will help it dry more thoroughly and more quick, and storing it like echota said just a little damp with alcohol will help reduce the chance of an incident. acetone will dissolve the nitrocellulose and make a goopy mixture that isn't very good for the applications you're looking at, but it's good for some woodworking stuff. if i was going to make a primer with nitrocellulose, i'd be thinking of something that makes a small spark when struck, at the base of the primer where it gets hit. if you're going to make any shock-sensitive chemicals, be sure to do a bunch of reading on them first, and watch people handling them. don't wanna lose a finger. also, with those you'll wanna do everything in plastic containers, so if something goes wrong you don't have any shrapnel.
So when I learned to make it we used nitric acid and sulfuric acid. A faster reaction with the cotton. Great idea stump remover is easier to locate than nitric acid.
@@elvisammo just giving you hard time brother like I said I truly appreciate you and your channel Sir. I would be a lost sob if it wasn’t for you and the others on yt
Elvis Ammo, yet another UA-camr who disappeared like a fart in the wind just like The Ammo Channel! You would think they would post an ending video where they say goodby. Could be the ATF just swooped in and they are now rotting in prison for some small infraction.
Regular matches not waterproof matches not storm proof matches but regular matches with the strike pad is your best option and easiest option to make your own primers. Look into it
Too cool elvis. You can make commercial grade priming compound but the one critical additive is not available. You have to make with a process that only chemists can figure out. Sorry so vague I'm not chemist for sure. Crushed glass for friction and toy caps for ignition. There is .22 cal. Primer compound out there. Just need the anvil with old primer cup. Looking forward to your next ingredient. There is a pdf online of military primer and spec's from the soldier who came up with the u.s. military recipe.
the 22 primer compound is good but it is corrosive to the gun you have to clean it after each use, im working on EPH-20 witch is as close to the real formula of primers you can make I think im waiting on a chemical to arrive from Bulgaria and then I can make the real stuff.
Nitric ACID is NO JOKE! Very EXOTHERMIC, Toxic and you did it FAST, slow down speedy, ice bath maybe while you mix? How is Nitro cellulose/ Cordite? used in Primers? I need good Primers for my historic arms. New CCI and Remington's are FAILING at about 40% with very little energy to set off charges.
What you have made is called gun cotton Brother please be very careful okay They say knowledge is power But a little bit of knowledge is dangerous this is coming from a guy that has three quarters of a thumb. No index finger and three quarters of a middle finger on his left hand ok Be safe brother Not afraid but safe God bless you and your's k Just saying
Playing the waiting game and waiting for powder and primers payed off I didn’t have to really look thanks to a fellow reloader he hooked it up and sold 10k plus primers and 20lbs plus powder and thanks to your videos Elvis ammo and fc45lc I have casting bullets and powder coating down..and again thank you Elvis Ammo for all the videos you put out
Nitrocellulose is not an ingredient in any primer compound. Single base smokeless powder, the propellant, is nitrocellulose. The easiest way to start to make a priming compound is to make potassium chlorate. Which is a shock sensitive oxidizer. Then decide which fuel is best for your application. There are many.
Nice dont see this much. Those vapors will kill. Also the fumes would corrode the other metallic stuff near it. Might be best to keep it away from the lead melters in future. Got some interesting corrosion on stuff from some gold recovery i been working on
are you using a metal whisk to stir this? Nitric Acid isn't very good for metals. Metal contaminants aren't very good for nitrocellulose :) Interesting project tho.... good luck ;)
Whats youve made here is the basis for smokeless powder, (nitrocellulose), not sure if it has any uses as a priming agent, not sensitive to impact as far as i know.
Elvis I used to spray clear nitrocellulose primer and the over spray that got on the fans I could scrape it off and light it "just playing around" and it would burn like progressive reloading powder was very necessary to use explosion proof fans thanks for your videos
Is stated doing this myself a year ago because of primer shortage. I experimented with a lot of chemicals. I ended up making meth instead because it was easier.
Can you please be more professional and not yell at us in the beginning so we have to lower our sound and then when you start talking we have to increase the value it is really anoing thx good information in your videos keep making them
Elvis Ammo has the Spirit of America, Necessity breeds Invention
Looking forward to the whole series.
Just started my journey on make smokeless powder and reloading primers also. It was nice to see that your making some videos doing the same. You rock and thanks for your dedication to your channel.
I never thought I could come to the Elvis ammo and see a chemistry video ... lol... I love it
Can't wait to see the finished product. When I was in 7th grade I saw the formula for gun powder in the dictionary. I bought a mortar and pestle and began making it with a friend and we burned a lot of stuff up playing with it. When I was in the Navy I found formula for making different powders use in firework. I wrote a fireworks manual with the intent on selling them but I couldn't afford to get it published. I still have my original typewritten manuscript I wrote in 1972. Good luck with your experiment.
That’s awesome!!! 😁 if I ever get a website up I would love to have your 1972 publication..... 👍
Elvis the Mad Scientist!!!! You are the best. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
Guncotton
Because of their fluffy and nearly white appearance, nitrocellulose products are often referred to as cottons, e.g. lacquer cotton, celluoid cotton, and gun cotton.[2]
Guncotton was originally made from cotton (as the source of cellulose) but contemporary methods use highly processed cellulose from wood pulp. While guncotton is dangerous to store, the hazards it presents can be reduced by storing it dampened with various liquids, such as alcohol. For this reason, accounts of guncotton usage dating from the early 20th century refer to "wet guncotton."
The power of guncotton made it suitable for blasting. As a projectile driver, it had around six times the gas generation of an equal volume of black powder and produced less smoke and less heating.
Further research indicated the importance of washing the acidified cotton. Unwashed nitrocellulose (sometimes called pyrocellulose) may spontaneously ignite and explode at room temperature, as the evaporation of water results in the concentration of unreacted acid.[11
Nice info!! I enjoyed! 👍
Way to copy and paste from Wikipedia..
I wonder in addition to possible spontaneous combustion in room temperature, I wonder if it becomes extremely shock sensitive after the water evaporates acetone would also be a good liquid agent to make it temporarily inert as well if alcohol isn't handy
@@nicholecrouch311 - Alcohol and acetone are both viable "wetting" agents. The advantage of acetone is rapid evaporation. The advantage of alcohol is more manipulation time and the addition of a bit more "power". An old time black powder recipe involved "stewing" on the stove to ensure complete integration of all components and then "rinsing" with alcohol to eliminate any residual water and speed the drying process. The process actually worked, and worked well. Strong, stable, efficient black powder resulting.
@@kirkboswell2575 that's called the CIA method
We now call you professor Ammo.
Elvis is Breaking Bad.
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There are many chemicals in fireworks that will give you what you desire
I make gas check dies. I’m going to try and make primer cup dies- large pistol/rifle first, interested?
small rifle too :)
It has been a project on the back burner for me for a couple of years. I know a guy in Brazil who had a buddy who makes findings for jewelry make the dies for a both anvils and cups. They are made for a punch press and they can crank them out.
That's awesome. I'd make my own primers if I had dies.
Tom do you sell any gas check dies? If so how much? Thanks
Yes... for sure! elvisammo@gmail.com
Elvis your are the man you really have paved the way for alot of us guys that make our own bullets thanks man I really appreciate what your doing
I FUCKiNg LOVE ELVIS AmMO I Cannot wait to see the finished product
Thanks for the great info!! We can cast bullets, we can make black powder, but primers is where they have us. There is a company that sells chemicals and tools to reload 22s. They say you can use their chemicals for primers and #11 caps. It cost about $20 for the chemicals.
@Jim Dunkle I got the $20 package you refer to but haven’t tried it yet. They are 3-4 weeks backlogged. It’s a corrosive mixture but better than nothing and just clean your weapon after shooting it. Did you not know the company name or not want to use the name?
the name of the company is primeall.
DUUUUUDE ive been thinking of reloading my own primers. Edit: it seems like you are more on your way to making pistol primer.
Thank you. Had to watch before it disappears.
Or before Elvis blows himself up....LOL
They call what you made gun cotton or flash fiber
Ie. Nitrocellulose I can tell you from first hand experience don't handle a lot of it at once k
Smaller is better k
What you have is very close to nitroglycerin k just a little bit more stable k
Just saying
Ive watched quite a few of these gun cotton vids over the years. Utuber named nilered has a really good/scientific take. But still dyi able. He advised squeezing the excess, then rinsing with a weak baking soda solutiin till the rinse runs clear. It helps neutralize any left over un reacted acid, thus decreasing the chance of spontanoues ignition. Im sure uve already done ur research but give it a look see if u havent already. So i was glad to see u do that. Lotsa folks forget that step
If this does not work... You made what Magicians use for magic. So you can do magic shows instead of re loading videos...
Good to see that EARRL has a big dollar empty jar sponsor for the channel... 😆😂 Uncle Jim would bid on your Jar on eBay.
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I ran across this stuff a couple years ago when I was trying to figure out how smokeless powder is made. I'm exited to see where this goes, you got me on the edge of my seat. :)
You sounded a little rebellious there right in the beginning Elvis. Kinda scared me a little. Great video, keep going!
That might be something that people don’t know about me... 🤣😂🤪 True, but I always enjoy and heed the advice of this awesome community. Being stubborn can get me in trouble sometimes.👍👍👍 you did detect correctly..
Heck yeah, looking forward to being able to use that for reloading. If it’s possible to regulate.
Love to know every and all ways to be self sufficient! You're the man! Thanks for being our test dummy! Lol
I tried to email you.. dont know if you seen that..
👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I know you have done some research and that you know how dangerous this can be but I read a story of this guy who worked in an ammunition factory and how the primer rooms where built out of 2 foot thick concrete walls. He said that they where eating lunch one day and heard an explosion and a shoe came flying through the lunch room so please be safe and do things in a very small quantity
I will! Thanks
Primer rooms are dangerous because they're handling a whole load of paste to fill an entire platter of primers at once. I think that in a video I've seen the worker handle what looked like half a pound of paste. The rooms are temperature and humidity controlled, if moisture drops the primer composition dries and friction sets it off.
I don't know when they made the switch but now only three of the four walls are that thick. One of the walls faces the outside of the building and it's much thinner so that in case there's an accident, the entire wall is blown off instead of creating overpressure. Like in some tanks that have purposefully weakened blow off panels in case the ammunition gets hit in combat and starts to cook off.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD it’s referred to as a weak wall
As long as no motor homes come on during the video I am golden lol. Gun cotton Elvis you amaze me.
Hahahahahahahaa
Nitrocellios seems more like the start of making smokeless powder.
Great work, as always! Thanks for sharing your info. I just ordered some Prime All to try out, but I hear the back log is a month or so out. Can't wait for the rest of the series 🇺🇸👍👊
Yes it is a month +wait.
@@electromech7335 ok thanks! I'll just have to order one a week until I get the first one and see how many I end up with 😆
There are quite a few youtube videos on this topic. Good job man.👍
This was very intriguing!! I look forward to more on this. I love doing things like this. I hope it works out well for you. Awesome stuff my friend
I had a vibe you would upload a new one today thanks 😊
Gun cotton is extremely unstable! Love the channel and I want you to be able to add more videos
Might I highly suggest that you wear a full face shield and a hat while you experiment with acid of any flavor. In 2011, I had a "backyard" experiment to blow up, I was only wearing those basic safety glasses, and the explosion rained HCL down on my head, ran behind my glasses, and I went from 20/10 vision to legally blind in about 1 second. I still suffer from the effects and several painful, costly surgeries to my eyes, and I am still legally blind. Just a suggestion from personal experience. 👍
hey Elvis ,the endproduct depends on the purity of the ingredients and mixtures ,and how safe it is .to store and using it . a good book is . The chemistry of powder &explosives by tenney l davis
Thanks for the book tip... and your right!
@@elvisammo For anybody needing it, i found this link: library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_chemistry_of_powder_and_explosives.pdf
@@englishrupe01 omg thank you so much for the pdf file. Ive been going nuts looking for primer compounds and i was at the point of try to make mercury fulm***te which is extremely toxic so ill be reading through and maybe post a video once i find a good stable compound i can make in my garage. Thank youso much again
@@claytonsmoking Hey, glad to help!
@@claytonsmoking I can actually help you with compounds if you give me email
Very interesting to see. Thank you and looking forward to seeing more.
I was scared just watching you with that lighter. I could see the big bowl in the background and know it was wet but still I had visions of a flash fire big enough to see on the 6 o’clock news.
Wow! Thank you very much!
Great vid Elvis as always thanks. Wondering if battery acid (bought at any auto parts store) which is approx 50% sulfuric acid wouldn't be an easier way for that component ? I bought 5 gallons a while back for doing some DIY anodizing and I'm thinking it was around $10 gallon . I dont know squat about any of this so just throwing the thought out there in hopes that someone who knows will comment before I accidently blow up my garage lol.
Elvis Buddy - thanks for the videoo...
Please keep up the info on this - we are all in this together.
Where is your follow up videos of finishing this process? Thanks. I've subscribed btw
How is your home insurance policy ? I would use salad spinner to dry the cotton ;) , Be safe man , love your videos!
Science nice!
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You can use PH papers to check that all the acid is gone. When ph is neutral all the acid should be gone. Neutral ph is 7 but check your rinse water to make sure. Not all tap water is because of the mineral content.
Elvis...I love you man...please get some PPE! This is way more gnarly even than a 20lb pot of 800F lead.
I had eye protection and a powerful hood fan. !!! What more could a man need? 👍👍🤪
@@elvisammo Lol!! Like I have any room to talk...breaking in my new MP mold in a tshirt and flip flops! Gotta love Florida “winters”.
Not sure I would be stirring up anything with metal utensils. How many fingers you got left?
This was beginning to look like a mad scientist performing an experiment. But I'm beginning to see a method to your madness. Looking forward to the series 👍🇺🇸
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Let me just make clear what I have learned about drawing primer cups and making primers.
You need both cups and anvils to make primers.
The machinery needed to make cups is different from the machinery to make anvils (somewhat)
Anvils are easier to make BUT making the dies to cut and shape steel anvils out of sheets of steel must be MUCH more robust than the dies made for drawing the tiny cups. The dies for the cups can be made with a manual lathe. The dies for making anvils can be made by EDM (I believe) or with VERY good CNC Milling...AND sophisticated heat treating equipment. Or they could possibly be etched out with tiny grinding bits like diamond dremel bits by hand. (A very long and difficult process) Then still would have to be hardened .
THEN...These types of dies are used in PUNCH PRESSES. Not home shops even have small punch presses.
Just like check makers, cups can be drawn one at a time with any type of press including a reloading press.
A guy like me with a mini lathe can make the dies to form one at a time primer cups...just like the gas checks that Tom Burson shows in his videos (check them out).
So I have been entertaining the thought of making a dies to draw BERDAN cups which do not require anvils. I have made hydraulic Berdan deprimer tools. And I have made a jig to shave boxer primers (small pistol) down to the depth where they can be used in Berdan brass. I have a friend who is THE authority on making priming compounds who has done many experiments on how to reload both Boxer primers and Berdan primers.
In my opinion if this drought in obtaining primers turns into a very long term situation, people like Dan Burson and others who are inventive will be able to supply drawing dies for making Berdan primers which will obviously drive the interest in Berdan priming technique. THAT would be the alternative to the Boxer primer supply permanently drying up. UNLESS some one who is already in industry that uses punch presses decided to make the dies for making anvils and start selling anvils. But that is unlikely.
So don't get you hopes up for having home made primers soon. Recharging used primers will be the only alternative for a while.
Oh, one other thing...the copper or cupronickel that primers are made from is carefully heat treated for the perspective application. One company overseas publishes their practical different hardnesses of copper for different applications (typically the difference between standard and magnum primers)
The biggest problem with a non-corrosive solution is going to be shipping. We would need to figure out a way to ship the recipe separately maybe? But if you have a way to make primer cups of any kind I wouldn’t worry about primers being available or not. They are always available and then not available just like ammo. As Reloaders and preppers we want to always be able to make these ourselves and reload with her supplies or available or not. Whatever you can do would probably be profitable. You can also email me at elvisammo@gmail.com
You are really the MAD SCIENTIST now . I hope it all go's well .
Elvis. I've been looking into making Armstrong H48 primer compound. It is basically what Prime-all is.
Elvis be careful I don't want to see you blow yourself up!
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@Robert Powell...AMEN!...to steal a phrase from Johnny over at the JRB channel... “I hope I don’t blow my face off”...take extra care doing this! We have grown accustomed to your purty face 😉😜😎
what you've made is gun cotton! but I don't see yet how thats going to get you to primers ? any way I'll watch and learn and see how thislab experiment turns out!!
The description says he's using it for powder as well.
depending on the degree of nitration determines what you call it... but generically, he's made nitrocellulose. I doubt that it is very well nitrated, given the way the nitric acid was made :)
Check out prime-all. I just ordered 3 just in case my primer supply gets low.
@John Beige give it time I ordered mine last year around August before everyone was wanting some and it took about a month. Nowadays itll prob take 2 months.
@@echota23 I use Prime All - works good - but is corrosive - you have to do a really good cleaning after a session of chooting.
@MountainManiac i clean my guns right after shooting. I doubt its that corossive that its getting all over my guns and will ruin anything. Water is corrosive as well but i still shoot in the rain.
@MountainManiac how many primers did you use /shoot? What did you clean with?
I have one question, this primer material is made with various acids, is the end result corrosive ?
Do you know if there's a way of home-making any non-corrosive primers ?
I'm all for the home-made (mainly for budgetary reasons mind you, that and the pleasure of shooting something you can proudly say "I made this myself"), but I wouldn't want to fire corrosive ammo in my guns...
Thanks for your work, your videos have been among my main sources of info from the start in reloading, bullet casting, and powder coating.
Did I just see Elvis Ammo making gun cotton? I did I did. Well done brother looking forward to the upcoming videos on this to see where and how you go with it. Taking my teacher hat off and putting on my student beanie and listening. Here is an apple 🍎 teacher.
Big question here, what is the strength of the sulphuric acid? To me this is an important. Is it 1%,2% maybe more? Just asking for a friend... thanks 🤔
Really good information to pass along cant wait for the other videos thank you for all you do sir stay warm an safe God Bless
👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸God bless ya brother
The back yard sientist new channel name 🤣🤙🇺🇸
Elvis you have me spellbound. I can't wait to see what's next. How in the world do you come up with this stuff? Are you really Stephen Hawking's brother? Do you know why the acid bath makes the cotton burn like that? Do we need to add some firefly butts to the cotton now? Where does the ground glass come into play. So many questions. Don't leave me hanging like this. 👍great video.
Genius video Elvis!👍
Keep up the good work 😊👍
Next time please use a glass stir stick and maybe get ahold of a gas respirator also i would suggest making alot more soda solution like a 5 gallon bucket worth incase the glass cracks and it goes everywhere
nitrocellulose will dissolve in acetone. then when it dries it will be a solid plastic like mass. your smokeless powder is nitrocellulose with some burn control additives. if you use smokeless use the fastest burning that you can.
amazing I hope it actually works keep it coming.
I'm using stump remover to nitrate coffee filters to make black powder paper cartridges for cap & ball revolvers and Elvis goes nuke?
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Ok,what is the price we are into right now ,at this point?
This is interesting for shore.
Its the price we pay for entertainment 😎🤪💣☠️👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Elvis,you da man!
I'll take any aspect of making somthing work
hey Elvis becareful! the dummiecrats mite think that you are doing something naughty.
Breathing is naughty I guess if they disagree!!! 🤪😂
you might want to get some of the goggles that fit flush against your face. also, rinsing off the cotton balls and then pouring the water off into a separate container would be a bit quicker and get more of the nitric acid out of it.
a final rinse with rubbing alcohol will help it dry more thoroughly and more quick, and storing it like echota said just a little damp with alcohol will help reduce the chance of an incident.
acetone will dissolve the nitrocellulose and make a goopy mixture that isn't very good for the applications you're looking at, but it's good for some woodworking stuff.
if i was going to make a primer with nitrocellulose, i'd be thinking of something that makes a small spark when struck, at the base of the primer where it gets hit.
if you're going to make any shock-sensitive chemicals, be sure to do a bunch of reading on them first, and watch people handling them. don't wanna lose a finger. also, with those you'll wanna do everything in plastic containers, so if something goes wrong you don't have any shrapnel.
So when I learned to make it we used nitric acid and sulfuric acid. A faster reaction with the cotton. Great idea stump remover is easier to locate than nitric acid.
Have you looked at prime all ?? Looks easy to do...
You must have a happy marriage te be allowed to use that kitchen bowl ;-) Interesting video by the way!
WELL HAY ELVIS AMMO !!!!!!! Hay hay Elvis how you doing brother love the channel. And this video series is going to be extremely interesting.
Hey hey!!!! 😎💣🤪
@@elvisammo just giving you hard time brother like I said I truly appreciate you and your channel Sir. I would be a lost sob if it wasn’t for you and the others on yt
It might look like applesauce but don't eat it. Awful stomach ache warning.
I'm going to make a rival channel to this one and call it Beatles Blammo.
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Elvis Ammo, yet another UA-camr who disappeared like a fart in the wind just like The Ammo Channel!
You would think they would post an ending video where they say goodby.
Could be the ATF just swooped in and they are now rotting in prison for some small infraction.
I like that green shirt. Did you check out Aardvark reloading? They are in NC.
Regular matches not waterproof matches not storm proof matches but regular matches with the strike pad is your best option and easiest option to make your own primers.
Look into it
Acetone to make them pliable
Too cool elvis. You can make commercial grade priming compound but the one critical additive is not available. You have to make with a process that only chemists can figure out. Sorry so vague I'm not chemist for sure. Crushed glass for friction and toy caps for ignition. There is .22 cal. Primer compound out there. Just need the anvil with old primer cup. Looking forward to your next ingredient. There is a pdf online of military primer and spec's from the soldier who came up with the u.s. military recipe.
Can u share the pdf to guruprasadind@gmail.com
the 22 primer compound is good but it is corrosive to the gun you have to clean it after each use, im working on EPH-20 witch is as close to the real formula of primers you can make I think im waiting on a chemical to arrive from Bulgaria and then I can make the real stuff.
Nitric ACID is NO JOKE! Very EXOTHERMIC, Toxic and you did it FAST, slow down speedy, ice bath maybe while you mix?
How is Nitro cellulose/ Cordite? used in Primers? I need good Primers for my historic arms.
New CCI and Remington's are FAILING at about 40% with very little energy to set off charges.
can you squeeze out or press out the mixture before rinse and treat more cotton balls with it ?
What you have made is called gun cotton
Brother please be very careful okay
They say knowledge is power
But a little bit of knowledge is dangerous this is coming from a guy that has three quarters of a thumb. No index finger and three quarters of a middle finger on his left hand ok
Be safe brother
Not afraid but safe
God bless you and your's k
Just saying
Playing the waiting game and waiting for powder and primers payed off I didn’t have to really look thanks to a fellow reloader he hooked it up and sold 10k plus primers and 20lbs plus powder and thanks to your videos Elvis ammo and fc45lc I have casting bullets and powder coating down..and again thank you Elvis Ammo for all the videos you put out
Nitrocellulose is not an ingredient in any primer compound. Single base smokeless powder, the propellant, is nitrocellulose. The easiest way to start to make a priming compound is to make potassium chlorate. Which is a shock sensitive oxidizer. Then decide which fuel is best for your application. There are many.
Nice dont see this much. Those vapors will kill. Also the fumes would corrode the other metallic stuff near it. Might be best to keep it away from the lead melters in future. Got some interesting corrosion on stuff from some gold recovery i been working on
That’s probably good advice. I do have a very good and rather large exhaust with hood.
Can you make a video showing how to reload primers using Prime All?
If you want a video of it up now on you tube check out Rack The Slide or Jared Hempfield.
are you using a metal whisk to stir this? Nitric Acid isn't very good for metals. Metal contaminants aren't very good for nitrocellulose :) Interesting project tho.... good luck ;)
Haven't seen a video in a while... hope all is good
Whats youve made here is the basis for smokeless powder, (nitrocellulose), not sure if it has any uses as a priming agent, not sensitive to impact as far as i know.
I think you spent more money on the ingredients than you would a pack of 100 primers. You got to be careful, static electric discharge equals boom
Nice to see there are still HAC's out there. I did finally bend to wearing gloves and a mask though. So much fun!
When you burned it Elvis I was like oh hell yes 👍🏻 this is going to be a kick A$$ video Series
Elvis I used to spray clear nitrocellulose primer and the over spray that got on the fans I could scrape it off and light it "just playing around" and it would burn like progressive reloading powder was very necessary to use explosion proof fans thanks for your videos
Welcome back home.
Thankya sir!!!! 😁
Actually plumbers love sulfuric acid - it melts your pipes and then you need to pay the plumber for a repipe!
made combustible cotton. So now what? Make into celluslose? How to break it down.
Is stated doing this myself a year ago because of primer shortage. I experimented with a lot of chemicals. I ended up making meth instead because it was easier.
Nitrocellulose ping pong balls are no longer allowed for tournaments.
Celluloid guitar picks are still easy to find :)
Where’s the rest?!! How do you get primers from these?! Lol super cool. I need to know now
Elvis . . . the mad scientist!
Can you please be more professional and not yell at us in the beginning so we have to lower our sound and then when you start talking we have to increase the value it is really anoing thx good information in your videos keep making them